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Should Markus Howard Jersey Be Retired

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Herman Cain

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Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« on: February 20, 2023, 07:52:23 PM »
MU Wire makes the case against Markus Howard Jersey Retirement . Should MU retire Markus Jersey ?

https://marquettewire.org/4093582/sports/gunville-the-case-to-why-markus-howards-jersey-should-not-be-retired/
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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2023, 07:56:49 PM »
Man that article is full of inconsistencies. Poor effort.
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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2023, 08:07:13 PM »
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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2023, 08:23:35 PM »
Not sure what the criteria for the athletic department is in determining retired jerseys, but I believe Markus (if he does ever receive the honor) would be only one that didn't win an NCAAT game.

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2023, 08:27:35 PM »
Right after Chones. 

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2023, 08:32:04 PM »
Since it’s about points then Jerel McNeal first

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2023, 08:40:38 PM »
I would retire the jerseys of Chones and Markus.

I’d also consider Jerel and Jae.

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2023, 08:52:09 PM »
Chones first.

Debate the rest later.

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2023, 08:55:22 PM »
I would retire the jerseys of Chones and Markus.

I’d also consider Jerel and Jae.
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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2023, 08:57:26 PM »
This might become Herman's magnum opus
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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2023, 09:05:50 PM »
Making an unsolicited case against a hypothetical honoring of a former MU player is pretty funny to me.

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2023, 09:14:05 PM »
Markus in a heartbeat. I get the Chones situation.  I lived thru it. Al panicked and should have waited a few weeks for the NCAAs as the ABA merger stuff was truly not that imminent. Jim’s money would have been even greater. But, it was what it was. But, I think they should honor him now. Fair is fair. MU had one heckuva run during his time on the Wisconsin Ave. area.

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2023, 09:17:52 PM »
If Markus ain’t retired, you don’t know ball

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2023, 09:52:56 PM »
I don't know ball. 

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2023, 10:09:50 PM »
Poorly researched.
1.  States individual accolades shouldn’t be the measure yet then states individual accolades of two people without NCAA wins. Neither is in first place in those categories. Let alone by nearly 800 points
2. Calls out that Doc’s Jersey was retired because of his NBA success, except his Jersey was retired in 2004 which happened before his NBA Championship as a coach in 2008
3.  Prior to that, Doc was a good player in the NBA but probably hasn’t had as good a career as many Marquette players whose jersey isn’t retired.   I would say folks like Butler/Wes have had just as good of a playing career in the NBA.  Doc’s NBA achievements as a player is one all-star appearance. At the time of his Jersey retirement as a coach it was one coach of the year. Should we start the Butler/Wes jerseys should or should not be retired thread before they officially retire?   
4.  Markus is the only MU player to be a consensus all-American twice.
5.  Of the players to receive AA status only three haven’t had their jersey retired Chones, Markus and Worthen. Chones has an NBA title.  So based on NBA success shouldnt his be retired too?
6. Calls out Doc for being number 10 in assists. Doc has 409 assists to Markus 392. Is 400 the magic number?  does the 17 assists overshadow the 1500 point difference?  3yrs vs 4yrs shouldn't matter as it is career impact.

All this to say I think the criteria for not retiring Markus’ Jersey is arbitrary and poorly thought out.

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2023, 10:25:39 PM »
Should’ve been raised to the banners on his Senior Day.
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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2023, 10:57:19 PM »
Should’ve been raised to the banners on his Senior Day.

Agreed! 

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2023, 10:57:20 PM »
If yall wanna remember the dumpster fire that this program was for 7 years, raise the banner.

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2023, 10:58:02 PM »
Right after Chones.

Chones was a great player…

for a little over a year and a half.

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2023, 11:11:11 PM »
All-time leading scorer.  Great representative of the university.  He should absolutely have his number retired.


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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2023, 11:11:41 PM »
All-time leading scorer.  Great representative of the university.  He should absolutely have his number retired.

So why not jerel?

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2023, 11:12:42 PM »
So why not jerel?

Because he’s not the all time leading scorer of the best college basketball conference ever formed.
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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2023, 11:20:54 PM »
If yall wanna remember the dumpster fire that this program was for 7 years, raise the banner.

Markus was outstanding on and off the court.  He did what he was asked to do by his coach.  He also did it incredibly well.  He was not in charge of the game plan.

His number should absolutely be retired, NCAA win or not.  This is a silly debate.  Programs go through good and bad cycles.  Markus was part of a down cycle of NCAA success but watching him play was amazing.  If he had a coach that actually knew what he was doing this wouldn’t even be brought up because it’s such a no brainer.  We also wouldn’t have Shaka as our coach either. 

Reminds me of the SNL end of year skit when they blew up the studio and got rid of the entire cast except John Lovitz who was put in a limo before the explosion.  Markus deserves to be in that limo for Marquette basketball and the rest of the cast and crew can be figuratively blown up if it makes people mentally feel better.

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2023, 11:26:49 PM »
Because he’s not the all time leading scorer of the best college basketball conference ever formed.

Right. And the arguments for Jerel are silly. I loved Jerel, but the scoring difference between Markus and Jerel at 1 and 2 is ~870 points. That’s the difference between Jerel and Robb Logterman (38th).

Wojo sucked. Markus was excellent. Retire the jersey.

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Re: Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2023, 11:52:08 PM »
They should, but I don't hate the idea of waiting a bit to do it.

 

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