Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement

[Uncle Rico]

But we would have had the unselfish white boys. By the way, the older white boy didn't seem to have a problem prior years.

The fault lies with the staff.  Full stop.  This constant arguing about who to blame with regards to the players has been and remains idiotic.  All the players are to blame to a degree but the ultimate fault stops with the man in charge.

[The Sultan]

Well, I don't know what you think, but if I was a great player I would not have even considered playing for Marquette during the Howard/Rowsey era.  I think when your primary ballhandlers call their own number way more than their teammates, it is not fun to play with them and not a place you'd want to play.  I think Howard was the reason he didn't play with other good players.  Well, not Howard, but the way the team played under Wojo.

That's all fine and good. Some debatable. Doesn't take away from what he accomplished.

[Skatastrophy]

I'd rather have an Alaska Shootout banner than a Markus jersey in the rafters.

[lawdog77]

The fault lies with the staff.  Full stop.  This constant arguing about who to blame with regards to the players has been and remains idiotic.  All the players are to blame to a degree but the ultimate fault stops with the man in charge.

If the rumors are true that the grumblings started immediately after the Buffalo game, he should have had security walk the Hausers back to their room and help them pack.

[Newsdreams]

The fault lies with the staff.  Full stop.  This constant arguing about who to blame with regards to the players has been and remains idiotic.  All the players are to blame to a degree but the ultimate fault stops with the man in charge.

True

[tower912]

If the rumors are true that the grumblings started immediately after the Buffalo game, he should have had security walk the Hausers back to their room and help them pack.

Testify.   Akin to how Buzz handled Maymon.

[Lennys Tap]

Well, I don't know what you think, but if I was a great player I would not have even considered playing for Marquette during the Howard/Rowsey era.  I think when your primary ballhandlers call their own number way more than their teammates, it is not fun to play with them and not a place you'd want to play.  I think Howard was the reason he didn't play with other good players.  Well, not Howard, but the way the team played under Wojo.

100%

[avid1010]

Would anyone trade TKO for Howard?

[Coleman]

We should rename the Al the Davante Gardner Automatic Arena

[#UnleashSean]

Would anyone trade TKO for Howard?

This is an actual question. If kolek was to leave after this season, would we retire his number, and if not.... would you trade kolek for Howard right now?

[panda]

Testify.   Akin to how Buzz handled Maymon.

I wasn't aware of the hauser's parents disrupting practice everyday and calling Wojo non stop with "pointers" ala Tim Maymon.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This is an actual question. If kolek was to leave after this season, would we retire his number, and if not.... would you trade kolek for Howard right now?

Because awards and accolades matter in this discussion and Kolek hasn't won any yet. I think he will win plenty by the time he's done and may end up getting his numbers in the rafters before all is said and done

[dw3dw3dw3]

Thought it was weird that Illinois "retired" Ayo's jersey 2 months into his rookie year, but they actually just "honor" jerseys and it's a fairly straightforward process.

In the past 20+ years I think it would just be DW, Jae, and Markus who fit the mold for this. I think this is reasonable. If TK wins BEPOE then he would be as well.

Players selected to have their jerseys hung must have achieved any of the following criteria:
1) National Player of the Year
2) Enshrined in the National Basketball Hall of Fame
3) Big Ten Player of the Year
4) Consensus First- or Second-Team All-American
5) Illinois All-Century Team Member
6) Individual whose pioneering efforts made a significant impact on Illinois and international basketball

[4everwarriors]

I wasn't aware of the hauser's parents disrupting practice everyday and calling Wojo non stop with "pointers" ala Tim Maymon.

No problem with that since, clearly, Woj didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, aina?

[4everwarriors]

Preach Rican,
This idea that Howard was a "representative" of Marquette is a bunch of nonsense. He drove two of our best players to transfer. That's his legacy. Sam's success magnifies it, which is why I assume this poll materialized. Sam was no "prima donna." That's a joke. He was a leader and one of the best players we've had since DWade. He simply tried to get Wojo to coach the damn team and the guy refused. That takes a lot of guts. He made the right decision to leave.


Woj signed his own termination papers when he was left to hold his own small nuts because he hooked up with Howard and lost his team, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Preach Rican,
This idea that Howard was a "representative" of Marquette is a bunch of nonsense. He drove two of our best players to transfer. That's his legacy. Sam's success magnifies it, which is why I assume this poll materialized. Sam was no "prima donna." That's a joke. He was a leader and one of the best players we've had since DWade. He simply tried to get Wojo to coach the damn team and the guy refused. That takes a lot of guts. He made the right decision to leave.


Woj signed his own termination papers when he was left to hold his own small nuts because he hooked up with Howard and lost his team, hey?

Representing your university has a lot more to do than success on the basketball court. 

[lawdog77]

Representing your university has a lot more to do than success on the basketball court.

Exactly. Let's talk about on the court. In 2017-8, Marquette's big three shot attempts per game:
Markus:15
Rowsey:14
Sam:10
Sounds, equitable, which of course led to a 9-9 Big East record, and 21-14 overall.

In 2018-9, it was:
Markus 17.6
Sam 11
Joseph 7
A whopping 2.6 more shots a game for Markus, so not as equitable, but more successful. 12-6 Big East, 24-10 overall.

So, who's the selfish one in this scenario?

[Uncle Rico]

Exactly. Let's talk about on the court. In 2017-8, Marquette's big three shot attempts per game:
Markus:15
Rowsey:14
Sam:10
Sounds, equitable, which of course led to a 9-9 Big East record, and 21-14 overall.

In 2018-9, it was:
Markus 17.6
Sam 11
Joseph 7
A whopping 2.6 more shots a game for Markus, so not as equitable, but more successful. 12-6 Big East, 24-10 overall.

So, who's the selfish one in this scenario?

If Sam and Joey Hauser were two brothers from Chicago, they'd have long ago been forgotten.  It's as simple as that

[The Lens]

Lots of negative vibes here boys.  Let's get back to the how old are you poll.  Or talking about nuts.  We have a lot to celebrate. 

[4everwarriors]

Representing your university has a lot more to do than success on the basketball court.

Great, so retire his leisure suit, hey?

[Goose]

The Lens

I am with you, both on thoughts of Howard in general and what we should be talking about today. MU won a monster game last night and that is all I care about at the moment.

[MUfan12]

Maybe this time we'll finally be able to settle the Hausershima issue.

[Galway Eagle]

Preach Rican,
This idea that Howard was a "representative" of Marquette is a bunch of nonsense. He drove two of our best players to transfer. That's his legacy. Sam's success magnifies it, which is why I assume this poll materialized. Sam was no "prima donna." That's a joke. He was a leader and one of the best players we've had since DWade. He simply tried to get Wojo to coach the damn team and the guy refused. That takes a lot of guts. He made the right decision to leave.


Woj signed his own termination papers when he was left to hold his own small nuts because he hooked up with Howard and lost his team, hey?

Did he become known as the campus pothead? Nope, but another all time scorer did.

Did he have an interesting "team bonding" activity that made the front page? Nope but plenty of Buzz top guys did.

Did he get filmed at a massive bar fight while underage? Nope but buzz's guys did

Did he dangle a person outside a window? Nope but one of Al's guys did.

Did he bail on MU despite bad coaching and no talent? Nope

Did he represent the university with class, address important issues, bring in a new organization, not have off court issues, keep us fairly competitive for a whole year of zero talent around him, and give credit to teammates and coaches when he could've been "me me me" in interviews? Yes.

Another instance where someone is refusing to give the guy his due credit just because of Wojo and the Hausers. It's absurd, even more absurd that I'm saying give the guy his credit for bringing in an org that aligns with your views and yet you'd toss him under the bus when I'm saying "good for him"

[Newsdreams]

If Sam and Joey Hauser were two brothers from Chicago, they'd have long ago been forgotten.  It's as simple as that

Yup

[lawdog77]

If Sam and Joey Hauser were two brothers from Chicago, they'd have long ago been forgotten.  It's as simple as that

Should brothers be in quotes? or is that already assumed.