Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children

[MU82]

From the NYTimes:

Many Americans are so accustomed to the daily toll of gun violence that they may not realize how much of an outlier the U.S. is for anything related to firearms. Outside of mass shootings like the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School (which happened 10 years ago yesterday), killings of children rarely get much attention.

Guns are now the No. 1 cause of deaths among American children and teens, ahead of car crashes, other injuries and congenital disease.

In other rich countries, gun deaths are not even among the top four causes of death, a recent Kaiser Family Foundation report found. The U.S. accounts for 97 percent of gun-related child deaths among similarly large and wealthy countries, despite making up just 46 percent of this group’s overall population.



If the U.S. had gun death rates similar to Canada’s, about 26,000 fewer children would have died since 2010, according to Kaiser. But the trend has been going in the opposite direction: Gun deaths among teens and younger kids have gone up in the U.S., while they have declined elsewhere. The victims are disproportionately people of color, most often Black boys.

Why is America such an outlier? Because it has many more guns. The U.S. has more guns than people. This abundance of guns makes it much easier for anyone to carry out an act of violence with a firearm in America than in any other wealthy country.

[Hards Alumni]

No chance this thread lasts.

[panda]

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

No chance this thread lasts.

We should open a new topic on bringing back football. And the medical school. Those have about as much chance at covering new ground as this one does.

[tower912]

Mike, I agree with everything.  You know it is going to get locked.   Why?

[lawdog77]

Mike, I agree with everything.  You know it is going to get locked.   Why?

100%, and I am sure someone reading the original post will have their opinions changed.

[MU82]

It's new information about an important topic. It's a U.S. milestone, albeit a sad one.

I thought it was worth posting. Those who disagree can just avoid it. Free country, and all that.

[Jay Bee]

Probably time to keep repeat perps in prison so they stop killing kids.

[real chili 83]

IBTL

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Mike needs attention day.

[StillAWarrior]

It's a tragedy however you look at it, but I really do wonder about putting out a study like this using the ages 1-19.  It says that guns are the number one cause of death among children and teens. Are they really? "Children and teens"? Or "children and teens combined"? Because I strongly suspect that if you take out the "teens," guns are not the leading cause of death among "children."

I really hope that people don't misinterpret this post as discounting the seriousness of the issue. I just think that by grouping children 1-12 with teens they are just trolling for headlines like the one we see above. The reality -- and maybe the study makes this clear even if the headline does not -- is that the epidemic of gun violence among teens (and likely most especially in the 16-19 range) is so severe that it results in gun deaths being the #1 cause of death for the entire group.

[WhiteTrash]

It's a tragedy however you look at it, but I really do wonder about putting out a study like this using the ages 1-19.  It says that guns are the number one cause of death among children and teens. Are they really? "Children and teens"? Or "children and teens combined"? Because I strongly suspect that if you take out the "teens," guns are not the leading cause of death among "children."

I really hope that people don't misinterpret this post as discounting the seriousness of the issue. I just think that by grouping children 1-12 with teens they are just trolling for headlines like the one we see above. The reality -- and maybe the study makes this clear even if the headline does not -- is that the epidemic of gun violence among teens (and likely most especially in the 16-19 range) is so severe that it results in gun deaths being the #1 cause of death for the entire group.

Are you suggesting the NY Times is playing politics??? That is as crazy as suggesting FOX News does also.

[Skatastrophy]

It's a tragedy however you look at it, but I really do wonder about putting out a study like this using the ages 1-19.  It says that guns are the number one cause of death among children and teens. Are they really? "Children and teens"? Or "children and teens combined"? Because I strongly suspect that if you take out the "teens," guns are not the leading cause of death among "children."

I really hope that people don't misinterpret this post as discounting the seriousness of the issue. I just think that by grouping children 1-12 with teens they are just trolling for headlines like the one we see above. The reality -- and maybe the study makes this clear even if the headline does not -- is that the epidemic of gun violence among teens (and likely most especially in the 16-19 range) is so severe that it results in gun deaths being the #1 cause of death for the entire group.

From the same NYT article



Overall, gun deaths among children jumped sharply in 2020 and again in 2021. A 31 percent increase for children 17 and 18 since 2019 is troubling enough, but the increase was 74 percent for children 9 and younger.

About 45 percent of gun homicides of children and more than half of suicides last year were among children under 17. Once again, racial disparity is present at all ages. Black children are now far more likely to be shot and killed than white children at every age — from the moment they can walk until they are old enough to vote.

The underlying data sets are here if you're interested

Up until 2020 https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html

Provisional data up until now-ish https://wonder.cdc.gov/mcd-icd10-provisional.html

[MU82]

From the same NYT article



Overall, gun deaths among children jumped sharply in 2020 and again in 2021. A 31 percent increase for children 17 and 18 since 2019 is troubling enough, but the increase was 74 percent for children 9 and younger.

About 45 percent of gun homicides of children and more than half of suicides last year were among children under 17. Once again, racial disparity is present at all ages. Black children are now far more likely to be shot and killed than white children at every age — from the moment they can walk until they are old enough to vote.

The underlying data sets are here if you're interested

Up until 2020 https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html

Provisional data up until now-ish https://wonder.cdc.gov/mcd-icd10-provisional.html

Tragic. Thanks for that data, Ska.

[#UnleashSean]

Probably time to keep repeat perps in prison so they stop killing kids.

The vast majority of the killers are kids themselves. While people like MU82 will blame guns, a huge factor is gang life/violence that is so prolific in the areas where these kids are dying

[MUBurrow]

I am having trouble understanding what this sentence means:

About 45 percent of gun homicides of children and more than half of suicides last year were among children under 17.

Does this mean that 17 year olds accounted for 55% of gun homicides and almost half of suicides of all people under the age of 18?

[Hards Alumni]

The vast majority of the killers are kids themselves. While people like MU82 will blame guns, a huge factor is gang life/violence that is so prolific in the areas where these kids are dying

I suggest banning kids.

[Skatastrophy]

I am having trouble understanding what this sentence means:

Does this mean that 17 year olds accounted for 55% of gun homicides and almost half of suicides of all people under the age of 18?

18 year olds are included in the data set, from a glance at the graphs. So 55% of homicides/suicides are 17-18 year olds.

That's reflected in the graphs. Quick maths: ~1,700 deaths vs ~1,500 in 2021

[Uncle Rico]

https://twitter.com/matsoncartoons/status/1603021433138987016?s=46&t=WX8XOpOlWgIieDxsk68yRA

[#UnleashSean]

Wow scoop. This is alive after a full day? Are we adults?

[MU82]

Father of Accused Highland Park Gunman Charged in Connection With Shooting

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/16/us/highland-park-shooting-gunman-father-charged.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20221216&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=120120&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

CHICAGO — Prosecutors in suburban Chicago charged the father of a man accused of killing seven people at a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Ill., with felonies on Friday, claiming that he acted recklessly when he signed onto his son’s application for a gun ownership permit.

The seven counts of reckless conduct filed against the father, Robert Crimo Jr., mark at least the second time in recent years that a parent of an accused mass killer has faced charges for their actions leading up to the attack, and it could signal increased willingness by prosecutors to seek punishment for family members who may have ignored warning signs or provided access to weapons.

“People bear responsibility when they recklessly endanger others,” said Eric Rinehart, the top prosecutor in Lake County, as he announced the charges, which can carry a sentence of up to three years in prison. He claimed the father knew about a series of concerning episodes involving his son before he signed the gun application permit, and that endorsing that application was reckless.

“The government is not typically going to know more than a parent about what’s going on,” Mr. Rinehart said, “with an 18-, 19- or 20-year-old.”

[#UnleashSean]

Father of Accused Highland Park Gunman Charged in Connection With Shooting

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/16/us/highland-park-shooting-gunman-father-charged.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20221216&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=120120&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

CHICAGO — Prosecutors in suburban Chicago charged the father of a man accused of killing seven people at a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Ill., with felonies on Friday, claiming that he acted recklessly when he signed onto his son’s application for a gun ownership permit.

The seven counts of reckless conduct filed against the father, Robert Crimo Jr., mark at least the second time in recent years that a parent of an accused mass killer has faced charges for their actions leading up to the attack, and it could signal increased willingness by prosecutors to seek punishment for family members who may have ignored warning signs or provided access to weapons.

“People bear responsibility when they recklessly endanger others,” said Eric Rinehart, the top prosecutor in Lake County, as he announced the charges, which can carry a sentence of up to three years in prison. He claimed the father knew about a series of concerning episodes involving his son before he signed the gun application permit, and that endorsing that application was reckless.

“The government is not typically going to know more than a parent about what’s going on,” Mr. Rinehart said, “with an 18-, 19- or 20-year-old.”

This made me look into the other 2 parents who were arrested and am very surprise to see them s behind bars awaiting trial.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

For hards:

https://www.wkow.com/townnews/law/tsa-intercepts-record-number-of-firearms-at-airport-checkpoints-in-2022-most-of-them-loaded/article_404aa92b-952d-549e-85ac-5eec2804bfef.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_WKOW

[Pakuni]

I suggest banning kids.

And poverty.

[Dickthedribbler]

And poverty.

Typical red herring response.

Abject poverty in the Great Depression did not cause kids to routinely  kill each other.