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Author Topic: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children  (Read 4321 times)

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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2022, 06:57:40 PM »
Good call.  Not nearly so many guns then.  Thanks.
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2022, 11:41:39 PM »
Typical red herring response.

Abject poverty in the Great Depression did not cause kids to routinely  kill each other.

Gun and drug availability plus the prevalence of gang culture. Poverty with a stable family which was more common back then is a hell of a lot different than poverty with substance abusing parents or when they're incarcerated so a kids put into the system. You're comparing apples to oranges.
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2022, 01:31:22 AM »
Typical red herring response.

Abject poverty in the Great Depression did not cause kids to routinely  kill each other.

No. Just plenty of grown adults involved in organized crime.

Later on these would devolve into what we now call gangs. Who prey on children raised in poverty.

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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2022, 07:01:21 AM »
from the cdc-drugs kill more people than guns.  don't have the breakdown in age groups

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2022, 07:23:50 AM »
Typical red herring response.

Abject poverty in the Great Depression did not cause kids to routinely  kill each other.


1933 saw the highest homicide mortality rate in the entire 1900s (9.7) until 1980 (10.0).  (Also a bad economic year.)  To put it in context, the rate was 6.5 in 2020.

The Great Depression was a very violent time in our history - also driven largely by gun violence.  It got better as the economy slowly improved throughout the 1930s, but let's not pretend it was some idyllic time.
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2022, 08:13:30 AM »

1933 saw the highest homicide mortality rate in the entire 1900s (9.7) until 1980 (10.0).  (Also a bad economic year.)  To put it in context, the rate was 6.5 in 2020.

The Great Depression was a very violent time in our history - also driven largely by gun violence.  It got better as the economy slowly improved throughout the 1930s, but let's not pretend it was some idyllic time.

Gun violence is as American as apple pie and baseball
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2022, 08:31:55 AM »
from the cdc-drugs kill more people than guns.  don't have the breakdown in age groups

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

Cool. And most of those drugs are illegal in the U.S.

Surprised you believe that the U.S. should make guns illegal, too.
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2022, 08:34:55 AM »
Cool. And most of those drugs are illegal in the U.S.

Surprised you believe that the U.S. should make guns illegal, too.

Founding fathers didn’t say anything about drugs in the constitution, yet we think we know better than them.  SMDH
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2022, 08:38:05 AM »
Drugs don't kill people. They are just inanimate objects.  People kill people.

People weren't dying from drug use when they still went to church.
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2022, 08:47:37 AM »
“If people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.”

-- Drug expert Rush Limbaugh 1995

"Except me."

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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2022, 08:11:09 AM »
U.S. Senator Thom Tillis from N.C., one of the Republican leaders of the bipartisan firearm-responsibility legislation that passed Congress earlier this year, has gotten heat from those to his right. But he told McClatchey News Service that he doesn't regret working on the bill with Democrat Chris Murphy following the school shooting in Uvalde.

“All the concerns that the Second Amendment advocates have have not materialized,” Tillis said. “In other words, they’re still processing instant background checks at the same rate they were before the bill got implemented.”

But Tillis said what he learned the bill did do was more meaningful.

Part of the bill created the ability for juvenile records to be used for criminal background checks for young adults trying to buy firearms.

As of an update he received two weeks ago: “We’ve had 11 people who are under the age of 21 who went to buy a weapon and they had serious mental health adjudications or criminal background checks,” Tillis said. “In one case, a person was going to trial, who had just gone to a hearing three days earlier for assault and battery on a police officer, who was going to try and purchase a long gun.”
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2022, 01:39:23 PM »
Per the CDC's own data the difference between gun violence and defensive gun usage is about 2 orders of magnitude. They deduce that as many as 2.5 million incidences of DGU occur yearly each year.

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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2022, 01:45:30 PM »
Per the CDC's own data the difference between gun violence and defensive gun usage is about 2 orders of magnitude. They deduce that as many as 2.5 million incidences of DGU occur yearly each year.

I Google this up...see its been a recent Fox News talking point...snicker and found someone else to ignore on this matter.
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2022, 02:26:48 PM »
Typical red herring response.

Abject poverty in the Great Depression did not cause kids to routinely  kill each other.

Typical uninformed post.

U.S. Homicide rate (per 100,000)
1933: 9.7
2021: 6.9

Sources:
https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression/crime-in-the-great-depression
https://time.com/6216504/fbi-crime-report-2021/

Edit: Oof .. I see Sultan beat me to it.


« Last Edit: December 19, 2022, 02:29:26 PM by Pakuni »

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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2022, 02:31:14 PM »
Typical uninformed post.

U.S. Homicide rate (per 100,000)
1933: 9.7
2021: 6.9

Sources:
https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression/crime-in-the-great-depression
https://time.com/6216504/fbi-crime-report-2021/

Edit: Oof .. I see Sultan beat me to it.
Just don't expect facts to have any impact on his beliefs.
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2022, 02:35:59 PM »
Per the CDC's own data the difference between gun violence and defensive gun usage is about 2 orders of magnitude. They deduce that as many as 2.5 million incidences of DGU occur yearly each year.

This figure comes from a 30-year-old, widely disputed and deeply flawed study that has since been revised by its author.
Just on the face of it, it doesn't make any sense. For that figure to be accurate, there would have to be nearly 7,000 DGU per day in the U.S. 7,000!

https://www.vacps.org/public-policy/the-contradictions-of-kleck
https://reason.com/2018/09/04/what-the-cdcs-mid-90s-surveys-on-defensi/
« Last Edit: December 19, 2022, 03:05:33 PM by Pakuni »

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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2022, 02:51:01 PM »
Yes, I'm aware.  And most of those are people forgetting that they've packed a gun, left it in a bag, or didn't know they couldn't bring it.  They're not actively trying to hide the firearm.

https://onemileatatime.com/tsa-fails-tests-95-percent/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-us-airports-allowed-weapons-through-n367851

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/us/tsa-gun-flight/index.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa-misses-70-of-fake-weapons-but-thats-an-improvement/?sh=1dcffe712a38

https://reason.com/2021/11/19/after-20-years-of-failure-kill-the-tsa/

They're trash.

Apropos of nothing, I’ve been in a TSA line 4 times while a gun was found over the last 3-4 years.   One person was genuinely surprised that it was not allowed (probably not mentally competent to own a firearm based on that alone) and the other 3 were varying shades of mortified/embarrassed/terrified.  Either they were Jeremy Irons caliber actors or just clueless and forgetful.

Closer to the point, I have friends that have forgotten and passed through TSA with a large folding knife, a taser, and full bottle of wine.

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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2022, 03:54:16 PM »
Closer to the point, I have friends that have forgotten and passed through TSA with a large folding knife, a taser, and full bottle of wine.
Sounds like a hella interesting party.
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2022, 03:54:36 PM »
“If people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.”

-- Drug expert Rush Limbaugh 1995

"Except me."

-- Drug addict Rush Limbaugh 2003

so tell me 82, do all drug addicts lack credibility or just the ones you don't like?  the ones you disagree with-pull the drug addict card on them?  this could get real juicy
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2022, 04:25:42 PM »
so tell me 82, do all drug addicts lack credibility or just the ones you don't like?  the ones you disagree with-pull the drug addict card on them?  this could get real juicy

The real question is, do you think drug addicts should be subject to the justice system?

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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2022, 05:53:31 PM »
so tell me 82, do all drug addicts lack credibility or just the ones you don't like?  the ones you disagree with-pull the drug addict card on them?  this could get real juicy

Drug addicts have sicknesses. Most of them don’t call for all drug addicts (except for themselves) to be imprisoned, like your hypocritical, criminal hero did.

Why are you and those like you always crowing about law and order, and taking responsibility, even as you worship lawless people who don’t accept personal responsibility? This could get real juicy.
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2022, 07:37:15 PM »
so tell me 82, do all drug addicts lack credibility or just the ones you don't like?  the ones you disagree with-pull the drug addict card on them?  this could get real juicy

I'm glad Rush is dead.

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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2022, 07:59:29 PM »
Is it because he bitch slapped your brothers and sisters every day, hey?
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Re: Gun deaths now #1 cause of death for U.S. children
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2022, 05:04:36 AM »
Is it because he bitch slapped your brothers and sisters every day, hey?

I respected the fact that he knew how to grift a generation of suckers with his act
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