School Shooting in Texas

[The Sultan]

I wouldn't feel as safe, nor would my family. If someone breaks into our house, we can blow them to pieces. If we have no guns, they blow us to pieces with a gun they obtained on the black market. Simple as that. I won't give up that type of security, nor will many other people who care about protecting themselves against not only bad actors but also an overreaching government, lest we end up like Australia.

Dude you ain't blowing up any intruder to pieces.  Stop with that bullsh*t. 

[The Sultan]

Guns aren't going away no doubt. Beginning common sense ways to restrict access to them would be smart however.

And stop with the "cultural rot" nonsense.

Actually let's fix the cultural rot in the Church. Where supposed Christians give their thoughts and prayers but then never do anything to actually fix the problem.

[brewcity77]

Guns aren't going away. Armalite rifles aren't going away, I never worry about this so I don't argue about it nor fear it. Nobody is coming for my guns or anyone else's, because that would be the end of the country. So, something else has to happen. Addressing the cultural rot would be a good start.

The bolded is the cultural rot.

[brewcity77]

Despicable lie that you know is a lie.

Calling me a liar might help you sleep at night, but it's the push of the "legal, responsible" gun owners that got us here and keep us here.

So no. Not a lie, just an uncomfortable truth.

[The Sultan]

This country has a severe mental illness epidemic that needs to be addressed, hey?

https://twitter.com/rubengallego/status/1529408132878938113?s=21&t=EXVKcc7a6KVTIET05Du7PA

[panda]

I wouldn't feel as safe, nor would my family. If someone breaks into our house, we can blow them to pieces. If we have no guns, they blow us to pieces with a gun they obtained on the black market. Simple as that. I won't give up that type of security, nor will many other people who care about protecting themselves against not only bad actors but also an overreaching government, lest we end up like Australia.

I always think it's hilarious the guy who took a weekend gun class and presumably has no police/military background will stand eye to eye with someone in an extremely high stress situation and comfortably "blow them to pieces."

[Hards Alumni]

Joe Biden has been in the Congress or the White House for 50 years. In those 5 decades he has not done one goddamn thing that would have stopped today's shooting in Texas.

And, the Democratic Congress could pass ANY gun control legislation they wanted, tomorrow, if either Joe Manchin or Kyrsten Sinema voted to amend the Senate fillibuster rule. The Republicans would be irrelavent.

So if you're looking for blood on anyone's hands, maybe you should look a little closer to home.

[panda]

Joe Biden has been in the Congress or the White House for 50 years. In those 5 decades he has not done one goddamn thing that would have stopped today's shooting in Texas.

And, the Democratic Congress could pass ANY gun control legislation they wanted, tomorrow, if either Joe Manchin or Kyrsten Sinema voted to amend the Senate fillibuster rule. The Republicans would be irrelavent.

So if you're looking for blood on anyone's hands, maybe you should look a little closer to home.

Some lawmakers have blocked change any chance they've had because of their relationship with the NRA. This leads to the actual change makers making concessions on tough laws to try and get anything out to make a difference. These laws send up being half effective because of the concessions made to appease those in the NRA's pockets. It's not rocket science.

Protecting kids in schools should not be a partisan issue.

[Hards Alumni]

I wouldn't feel as safe, nor would my family. If someone breaks into our house, we can blow them to pieces. If we have no guns, they blow us to pieces with a gun they obtained on the black market. Simple as that. I won't give up that type of security, nor will many other people who care about protecting themselves against not only bad actors but also an overreaching government, lest we end up like Australia.

Statistically speaking, you're far more likely to blow your family members away, or have them blow themselves away.

End up like Australia?  Oh the horror.

[tower912]

The shooter had many commonalities with the Buffalo shooter.   

And for those who want to arm teachers, retired police officers, etc., there was a retired police officer working as a security guard in Buffalo.   He shot at the heavily body armored assailant.   He's dead.

[Hards Alumni]

The shooter had many commonalities with the Buffalo shooter.   

And for those who want to arm teachers, retired police officers, etc., there was a retired police officer working as a security guard in Buffalo.   He shot at the heavily body armored assailant.   He's dead.

Wait, you're telling me that a person who has a gun isn't invincible?  And the good guys with guns weren't able to stop the shooter before he killed 20+ people?

Well, color me surprised.

[Hards Alumni]

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban wasn't a goddamn thing?
Regardless, this post shows a woeful lack of understanding of how the government works.

No, not really.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Effects

The bill was lip service and far too weak to have any real effect.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The shooter had many commonalities with the Buffalo shooter.   

And for those who want to arm teachers, retired police officers, etc., there was a retired police officer working as a security guard in Buffalo.   He shot at the heavily body armored assailant.   He's dead.

In Uvalde there were multiple people with guns who engaged the shooter before he entered the school.  He still got in and killed 19 7 to 10 year olds and two teachers.

[noblewarrior]

Has their been a motive established yet?  It wasn't gang or race related... what?  Why target this school?  These children? 

It seems that many of the recent (seemingly random) mass shootings perpetrated by young men all have subsequent reports that they had been known to have behavioral issues and had been called out as a potential threat... even requiring counseling.  Nut cases and outcasts... unstable homes, etc...
Red Flags all over the place in most cases...

maybe make juvenile records available to background checks... but of course, the incidents would need added to those records and often they are not.   

Red flag laws might be a route to take.  They're likely inevitable but transfer so much power to big brother/the man.  If red flag laws are pursued at some point, to be actionable, there would need to be a clear and high threshold to meet... I'm not sure that's possible because as tragic as these incidents are, we still maintain the right to bear arms to protect our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.  Which is unique to this country and maybe why these types of tragedies occur here and nowhere else... unless in some type of oppressive war ridden country. 

[🏀]

Safer to be a police officer than a public school student in 2022.

Can we come up with a thin colored line flag for our kids?

[Uncle Rico]

Safer to be a police officer than a public school student in 2022.

Can we come up with a thin colored line flag for our kids?

We already fly flags at half staff 95% of the time because of these things, make sure to incorporate that.

[4everwarriors]

https://twitter.com/rubengallego/status/1529408132878938113?s=21&t=EXVKcc7a6KVTIET05Du7PA

This is not is partisan issue. Anyone who denies the presence of mental health issues with mass murders is either in denial or doesn't understand the complexity of the problem. The murders should be committed long before it gets to the point of harming others. But, can't do that today because its not the kinder, gentler approach, aina?

[tower912]

Has their been a motive established yet?  It wasn't gang or race related... what?  Why target this school?  These children? 

It seems that many of the recent (seemingly random) mass shootings perpetrated by young men all have subsequent reports that they had been known to have behavioral issues and had been called out as a potential threat... even requiring counseling.  Nut cases and outcasts... unstable homes, etc...
Red Flags all over the place in most cases...

maybe make juvenile records available to background checks... but of course, the incidents would need added to those records and often they are not.   

Red flag laws might be a route to take.  They're likely inevitable but transfer so much power to big brother/the man.  If red flag laws are pursued at some point, to be actionable, there would need to be a clear and high threshold to meet... I'm not sure that's possible because as tragic as these incidents are, we still maintain the right to bear arms to protect our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.  Which is unique to this country and maybe why these types of tragedies occur here and nowhere else... unless in some type of oppressive war ridden country.

The picture his former acquaintances and his social media accounts paint is that of a young man who deified violence.   Killed/tortured animals.   Cut himself because it felt good.

How do you monitor every single social media account?   

[tower912]

This is not is partisan issue. Anyone who denies the presence of mental health issues with mass murders is either in denial or doesn't understand the complexity of the problem. The murders should be committed long before it gets to the point of harming others. But, can't do that today because its not the kinder, gentler approach, aina?

Fix your typo.

Yes, there is a mental health issue in this country.   Please describe your vision of a fix for that.

[4everwarriors]

As I understand it, mental health patients must seek help on their own initiative. Others, including family while they may realize the problems, are powerless to do anything about it. This policy, if true, should be changed, hey?

[tower912]

OK.  Nice start.   Where are you going to put them and who is going to staff it and how will it be paid for?


And let me add that there should be far more school counselors.   Should they have the power to commit a child they think is a threat?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

This is not is partisan issue. Anyone who denies the presence of mental health issues with mass murders is either in denial or doesn't understand the complexity of the problem. The murders should be committed long before it gets to the point of harming others. But, can't do that today because its not the kinder, gentler approach, aina?

Your argument isn't serious if you believe this is an issue but also want unfettered access to guns.

No one is denying that mental health isn't a problem.  People are saying it isn't a unique problem. 

In your terms

Crazae peepil + aczess 2 gunz = the mezz weez in

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I would also add that we've been living in a society flooded with guns....it hasn't worked.  It's a failed policy...the next one has probably already bought their body armor.  So sad.

[Uncle Rico]

This is not is partisan issue. Anyone who denies the presence of mental health issues with mass murders is either in denial or doesn't understand the complexity of the problem. The murders should be committed long before it gets to the point of harming others. But, can't do that today because its not the kinder, gentler approach, aina?

It's also not a partisan issue that access to guns is too simple and we have a gun culture problem in this country.

The criminal in this incident had zero restrictions from purchasing a weapon.  Maybe as a society, we ought to understand that it's easy for criminals to get guns because there are more of them in circulation than actual citizens.

[Pakuni]

No, not really.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Effects

The bill was lip service and far too weak to have any real effect.

From the link you provided:

A 2019 DiMaggio et al. study looked at mass shooting data for 1981 to 2017 and found that mass-shooting fatalities were 70% less likely to occur during the 1994 to 2004 federal ban period, and that the ban was associated with a 0.1% reduction in total firearm homicide fatalities due to the reduction in mass-shootings' contribution to total homicides.

A study by Mark Gius, professor of economics at Quinnipiac University, studied the law's impact on public mass shootings.[44] Gius defined this subset of mass shootings as those occurring in a relatively public place, targeted random victims, were not otherwise related to a crime (a robbery or act of terrorism), and that involved four or more victim fatalities. Gius found that while assault weapons were not the primary weapon used in this subset of mass shootings, fatalities and injuries were statistically lower during the period the federal ban was active. The 2018 Rand analysis noted that the federal law portion of this analysis lacked a comparison group

But wait, there's more:

University of Massachusetts researcher Louis Klarevas, author of the book "Rampage Nation," found that the number of gun massacres dropped by 37 percent and the number of gun massacre deaths feel by 43 percent while the ban was in effect compared to the previous decade. After the ban lapsed in 2004, those numbers dramatically rose – a 183 percent increase in massacres and a 239 percent increase in massacre deaths.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/15/its-time-to-bring-back-the-assault-weapons-ban-gun-violence-experts-say/?noredirect=on

A 2019 study in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Surgery found that, based on data from 1981 to 2017, there were fewer mass-shooting deaths while the ban was in place.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30188421/

A 2017 study in the Journal of Urban Health observed that law enforcement recovery of assault weapons fell nationwide while the ban was in base, indicating that they were used in fewer crimes, but increased after the ban expired.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11524-017-0205-7


The FAWB resulted in a significant decrease in public mass shootings, number of gun deaths, and number of gun injuries. We estimate that the FAWB prevented 11 public mass shootings during the decade the ban was in place. A continuation of the FAWB would have prevented 30 public mass shootings that killed 339 people and injured an additional 1139 people.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33783360/