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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 24, 2022, 04:13:23 PM
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Latest count is 15 dead. 1 teacher, 14 students. The school only serves 2nd-4th grade. I have no words.
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I have words, but they would be said in vain.
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Only in America
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Makes me think of homeschooling my kiddos. I can't even imagine. Don't want to hear details of this
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Makes me think of homeschooling my kiddos. I can't even imagine. Don't want to hear details of this
I don’t envy anyone sending kids to schools. I don’t envy teachers having to be taught how to lead active shooter drills or worse yet, participate in a live shooting. But we’ve made the decision this is the society we choose to educate our children in. It’s terrible what happened today, but it won’t be the last and it won’t be the worst. Only in America
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Only in America
Obligatory
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819580358
Sad to think that this kind of thing happens multiple times a year here, with no end in sight.
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Cue obligatory thoughts and prayers. Yeah, that’ll do it
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Obviously tragic and blood boiling news. The gun talk aside, I don’t know how in today’s day in age an intruder can still so easily enter a school property. Regardless of cost, all schools need stronger security measures for entry onto the premises.
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Obviously tragic and blood boiling news. The gun talk aside, I don’t know how in today’s day in age an intruder can still so easily enter a school property. Regardless of cost, all schools need stronger security measures for entry onto the premises.
Sigh. Yes, schools should need to be fortresses. That's clearly the issue.
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Platitude, cliche, lament, whataboutism, same arguments.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Obviously tragic and blood boiling news. The gun talk aside, I don’t know how in today’s day in age an intruder can still so easily enter a school property. Regardless of cost, all schools need stronger security measures for entry onto the premises.
Regardless of cost? Why regardless of cost? Isn't there a limit to how much money taxpayers should be forced to spend on this?
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Regardless of cost? Why regardless of cost? Isn't there a limit to how much money taxpayers should be forced to spend on this?
This is one of those cases where we throw money at it, I guess
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On the same day SCOTUS expands the second amendment to near vigilantism and in the same week a former POTUS and others will spend time in Texas celebrating the joy that guns bring to the lives of many Americans.
Irony is dead. Long live irony.
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On the same day SCOTUS expands the second amendment to near vigilantism and in the same week a former POTUS and others will spend time in Texas celebrating the joy that guns bring to the lives of many Americans.
Irony is dead. Long live irony.
Only in America
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This is one of those cases where we throw money at it, I guess
Where's the gofundme to make sure GOP leaders share disproportionately as the victims of gun violence
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Obviously tragic and blood boiling news. The gun talk aside, I don’t know how in today’s day in age an intruder can still so easily enter a school property. Regardless of cost, all schools need stronger security measures for entry onto the premises.
Give me a break. The school properties are not the problem.
It's the people with guns. Period!!!
And as long as the majority of people in many, many states support guns for everyone - criminals included - this will never end.
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Now is not the time....
Said every day after every one of these ad infinitum.
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I have words, but they would be said in vain.
I also have words - but they would result in a permanent ban if I typed in this thread.
I am so far beyond angry that I can't even come up with a better word(s) to describe my feelings..
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On the same day SCOTUS expands the second amendment to near vigilantism and in the same week a former POTUS and others will spend time in Texas celebrating the joy that guns bring to the lives of many Americans.
Irony is dead. Long live irony.
The same week the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled that woman beaters have the right to own guns.
A man convicted of breaking into his estranged wife's home and threatening to kill her with a two-by-four board did not commit a "crime of domestic violence," the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled. He will be allowed to carry a concealed gun in Wisconsin.
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On the same day SCOTUS expands the second amendment to near vigilantism and in the same week a former POTUS and others will spend time in Texas celebrating the joy that guns bring to the lives of many Americans.
Irony is dead. Long live irony.
Not even their worst ruling this week.
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IBTL
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Obviously tragic and blood boiling news. The gun talk aside, I don’t know how in today’s day in age an intruder can still so easily enter a school property. Regardless of cost, all schools need stronger security measures for entry onto the premises.
Do you jack off when Mitch mcconnell tells us it's not the time for politics? Or is it when Ken Paxton tells us if only there was a good guy with a gun?
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Do you jack off when Mitch mcconnell tells us it's not the time for politics? Or is it when Ken Paxton tells us if only there was a good guy with a gun?
To be fair, Paxton also said maybe retired cops should offer their time to protect schools and to arm teachers
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Wait until you hear about what the United States government did to Iraq.
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Do you jack off when Mitch mcconnell tells us it's not the time for politics? Or is it when Ken Paxton tells us if only there was a good guy with a gun?
Don’t be an idiot. I’d just like to see a better effort made to protect kids at schools. I think that can be done. I agree with others that guns are the main problem here. I thought that was obvious and didn’t really mean anything else with my post.
And btw I don’t really know where that post comes from. Politically, I’m very in the middle on most issues. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else.
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This country has a severe mental illness epidemic that needs to be addressed, hey?
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To be fair, Paxton also said maybe retired cops should offer their time to protect schools and to arm teachers
To be fair, Paxton should have been in jail years ago. He's been indicted on multiple felonies, but somehow the court cases never happen.
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This country has a severe mental illness epidemic that needs to be addressed, hey?
Like invading foreign countries and killing a million of their citizens. Including innocent women and children?
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Like invading foreign countries and killing a million of their citizens. Including innocent women and children?
What a perpetuating a lie that allowed a million people to die while prolonging a pandemic?
4ever is right and introspective to identify the class of people suffering from mental illness. Republicans probably shouldn't have guns
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This country has a severe mental illness epidemic that needs to be addressed, hey?
Thoughts and prayers should do it
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This country has a severe mental illness epidemic that needs to be addressed, hey?
Admitting your problem is the first step.
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Laws need to be changed to enable these people to be committed. This shooter gave plenty of warning signs and had no business walking the streets, hey?
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We closed most of the mental hospitals 40 years ago.
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Don’t be an idiot. I’d just like to see a better effort made to protect kids at schools. I think that can be done. I agree with others that guns are the main problem here. I thought that was obvious and didn’t really mean anything else with my post.
And btw I don’t really know where that post comes from. Politically, I’m very in the middle on most issues. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else.
I 100% agree with you, and so do both of my parents who are former educators.
I understand wanting schools to look nice, but glass door entrances are a terrible idea. Let's start there and make schools safer because then at least we'd be doing something.
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At least the kids weren’t exposed to critical race theory the last few months of their life. The leaders of Texas made that brave stand at least.
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I 100% agree with you, and so do both of my parents who are former educators.
I understand wanting schools to look nice, but glass door entrances are a terrible idea. Let's start there and make schools safer because then at least we'd be doing something.
Yes. I think we would have mass majority agreement on your suggestion.
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This country has a severe mental illness epidemic that needs to be addressed, hey?
Mental illness is uniquely American problem?
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This country has a severe mental illness epidemic that needs to be addressed, hey?
Yes, there is a severe epidemic of gun nuts.
BNO News
@BNONews
Suspect in Texas school massacre bought 2 assault rifles on his 18th birthday, state senator says - CNN
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Nothing will change because law makers are spineless cowards. They have blood on their hands and refuse to do anything about it.
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CBS ended its newscast with "This is a tragedy that should stop us all but we know it won't stop. There'll be another tragedy and another and the pins on America's Map of Tragedy will grow."
Yowza.
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Yes, there is a severe epidemic of gun nuts.
BNO News
@BNONews
Suspect in Texas school massacre bought 2 assault rifles on his 18th birthday, state senator says - CNN
Not purchased for him by his parents?
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This country has a severe mental illness epidemic that needs to be addressed, hey?
You're right, only America has a mental illness problem.
How stupid are you, this type of sh!t doesn't happen all over the world with the frequency that it does here.
But yes, we, and we alone have a mental illness problem.
So unbelievably brainwashed.
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This country has a severe mental illness epidemic that needs to be addressed, hey?
Lazy, soul-less response.
Big surprise
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Yes, there is a severe epidemic of gun nuts.
BNO News
@BNONews
Suspect in Texas school massacre bought 2 assault rifles on his 18th birthday, state senator says - CNN
Every republican should hang their head in shame tomorrow.
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Yes. I think we would have mass majority agreement on your suggestion.
Something like 90% of Americans want better background checks for gun purchases.
Can't get that done either.
WONDER WHY
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Throwing up chaff and mis-direction. USA does have many mental health challenges. One of them is the cult of gun worship.
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Something like 90% of Americans want better background checks for gun purchases.
No they don’t, Hards. They are liars. They continue to flood the polls to vote for those who want more guns and more access to guns.
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Nothing will change because law makers are spineless cowards. They have blood on their hands and refuse to do anything about it.
Well, 96% of Senate Democrats would vote for sensible gun control (because of course Manchin and Sinema are Manchin and Sinema). which means we just need 25% of Senate Republicans to vote for it. Can you name 12 Repub Senators that would vote for gun control?
(https://images2.imgbox.com/71/a8/bPok6f9b_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/bPok6f9b)
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I 100% agree with you, and so do both of my parents who are former educators.
I understand wanting schools to look nice, but glass door entrances are a terrible idea. Let's start there and make schools safer because then at least we'd be doing something.
No other country seems to have a problem with this. They can have nice pretty schools, with glass door entrances, and no security.
Maybe we could start by learning something from them.
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This country has a severe mental illness epidemic that needs to be addressed, hey?
unnatural carnal knowledge off with that bullcrap.
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Don’t be an idiot. I’d just like to see a better effort made to protect kids at schools. I think that can be done. I agree with others that guns are the main problem here. I thought that was obvious and didn’t really mean anything else with my post.
And btw I don’t really know where that post comes from. Politically, I’m very in the middle on most issues. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else.
Sorry, I meant Joe Manchin.
In all seriousness, I'm scared. My kids weren't school age during the pandemic but it was refreshing (while a country was suffering) to go an extended period of time without the threat of school shootings.
It's hard enough for kids to navigate school post pandemic (???) with all of the other challenges. To have to wonder when its going to be close to home is unbearable.
Regarding funding for school improvements, you can't convince half the country to support school funding unless it promotes a religious ideology and/or marginalizes protected classes. You can't get them to empower districts and teachers to make meaningful investments in children's educational future. But we're going to spend billions hardening our schools? Give me a fcking break.
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We need to arm students beginning with daycare. The time has come to overthrow the yoke of tyranny and arm our toddlers to protect themselves.
It’ll be a hard process but we have more guns than citizens in this country and we can get it done. While some may call for training and teaching the proper handling and usage of guns, I think we can look to Texas to lead the rest of us. It’s not required there to purchase weapons or open-carry. One toddler may stop a bad guy, but every toddler armed will certainly deter bad guys.
As for mental health, well, I’m not paying for it, so I’ll continue to offer thoughts and prayers instead. I’d also recommend banning any books that suggest anything about being anti-gun.
Finally, we need to build big, beautiful walls around our schools with moats filled with alligators and topped with barbed wire.
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Every republican should hang their head in shame tomorrow.
Right. Because no Republican wants any reasonable gun control measures. Right. Because no republican has any feelings of sadness for the loss of human life, let alone children’s lives. Right. . Because no Republican’s children ever get killed by a gun. Right.
Because all Republicans are the same as someone who shoots up the school.
What a dumb f-ing comment.
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Right. Because no Republican wants any reasonable gun control measures. Right.
Well where are they?
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You're right, only America has a mental illness problem.
How stupid are you, this type of sh!t doesn't happen all over the world with the frequency that it does here.
But yes, we, and we alone have a mental illness problem.
So unbelievably brainwashed.
Thata boy, resorting to name calling emphasizes to everyone just how pissed you are, aina?
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Well where are they?
Don't be stupid, of course they want gun control measures. It's right on their list after controlling women and driving gay and Trans kids to kill themselves so the gun violence doesn't get them
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Right. Because no Republican wants any reasonable gun control measures. Right. Because no republican has any feelings of sadness for the loss of human life, let alone children’s lives. Right. . Because no Republican’s children ever get killed by a gun. Right.
Because all Republicans are the same as someone who shoots up the school.
What a dumb f-ing comment.
Which side, in your estimation, is responsible for blocking gun control? Which side offers thoughts and prayers and declares now is not the time to talk about gun control? Which side's candidates produces political ads showing them firing off guns in an effort to prove their bonafides? Which side continues to pass state laws allowing for less and less regulation?
Your feelings of sadness don't mean sh!t.
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Thata boy, resorting to name calling emphasizes to everyone just how pissed you are, aina?
Not name calling, just truth in labeling
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Teachers need to start organizing walkouts across the country every time this happens.
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Thata boy, resorting to name calling emphasizes to everyone just how pissed you are, aina?
I'm sorry, was the stupid old man thinking I was name calling? Bro, you're literally stupid.
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Right. Because no Republican wants any reasonable gun control measures. Right. Because no republican has any feelings of sadness for the loss of human life, let alone children’s lives. Right. . Because no Republican’s children ever get killed by a gun. Right.
Because all Republicans are the same as someone who shoots up the school.
What a dumb f-ing comment.
They might want it, but they won't actually vote for it because they cower to the gun lobby and other extreme elements in their ranks.
As for your latter comments, who actually said these things?
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This country has a severe mental illness epidemic that needs to be addressed, hey?
Yes.
And maybe we should restrict access to firearms so those suffering from mental illness don’t mow down elementary school students.
I mean this isn’t an either/or issue. We can work on both problems.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5x4eHn_3tA&t=18s
Well said, Steve!
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Right. Because no Republican wants any reasonable gun control measures. Right. Because no republican has any feelings of sadness for the loss of human life, let alone children’s lives. Right. . Because no Republican’s children ever get killed by a gun. Right.
Because all Republicans are the same as someone who shoots up the school.
What a dumb f-ing comment.
Virtually every republican supports more more more guns for everybody. That is not my opinion - it is fact.
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The Republican Party has blood on their hands and will continue to block any sort of legislation to stop actual change.
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Teachers need to start organizing walkouts across the country every time this happens.
They’d be vilified by the Fox News boomers as soon as they did that. Teachers can’t win. Constantly attacked by politicians and parents and also asked to protect their students and become gun-toting defenders of their classroom. Education budgets being gutted, reforms voted down. Thankless job. Only in America
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5x4eHn_3tA&t=18s
Well said, Steve!
Kind of a said state of affairs when our professional basketball coaches - Kerr, Pops, Doc, SVG, etc. - speak more powerfully and eloquently on these things than any of our political leaders.
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Do we know any facts at this point regarding how this scumbag acquired these guns?
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Trump and Abbott to celebrate guns and death at the NRA convention this week.
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Virtually every republican supports more more more guns for everybody. That is not my opinion - it is fact.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/95/75/wADqIZrs_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/wADqIZrs)
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Do we know any facts at this point regarding how this scumbag acquired these guns?
He bought them for his 18th birthday.
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Boone
Thanks for sharing. Enough is enough. The country is fxcked up and changes are needed. I am speechless over how things are going in the USA and disgusted by how these events are now commonplace.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
Change is possible
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
Change is possible
Not in this country. We can’t even get half the country to acknowledge reality. Nothing is going to change.
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Not in this country. We can’t even get half the country to acknowledge reality. Nothing is going to change.
I hope this time is different and the cowards on one side of the aisle actually feel compassion instead of worrying about lining their own pockets or funding their next election.
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This is the 212th mass shooting so far in 2022.
This is the 27th school shooting so far in 2022.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
Change is possible
Not in America. This is a good night for the gun lobby and gun fetish folks. A mass shooting at a school instead of another public space means they can shift the goalposts to blaming a lack of security at schools and not the gun violence that runs rampant throughout America, not just Chicago. Really, it’s the schools fault.
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I hope this time is different and the cowards on one side of the aisle actually feel compassion instead of worrying about lining their own pockets or funding their next election.
You’re a dreamer, sadly.
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Do we know any facts at this point regarding how this scumbag acquired these guns?
Bought them for his 18th birthday.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
Change is possible
Bush league country with amateur sports leagues and amateur mass murderers
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Do we know any facts at this point regarding how this scumbag acquired these guns?
Are you joking? He lives in America. That's how.
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50% of gun purchases in Texas not subject to even background checks
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What is even more amazing is that the cultists are going to fund raise off of the outrage.
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What is even more amazing is that the cultists are going to fund raise off of the outrage.
Of course, because they want this. Every gun owner secretly wants this. They want a justification to have their own gun. And every time this happens it makes them feel more secure in their own need for a gun. They vote for this at the ballot box. They support this financially by giving dollars to the NRA or gun manufacturers.
Yes, the politicians are also culpable, but so is every gun owner in this country. They normalize this garbage to rationalize their own selfish insecurities.
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(https://images2.imgbox.com/30/79/F1ggJiUA_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/F1ggJiUA)
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Yes.
And maybe we should restrict access to firearms so those suffering from mental illness don’t mow down elementary school students.
I mean this isn’t an either/or issue. We can work on both problems.
Some members of the federal government would prefer Americans not have access to fire arms. Meanwhile in Afghanistan....
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/15/asia/taliban-military-parade-us-weapons-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/15/asia/taliban-military-parade-us-weapons-intl/index.html)
The elites don't care for any of these kids in TX... and they certainly don't care about those kids either
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Of course, because they want this. Every gun owner secretly wants this. They want a justification to have their own gun. And every time this happens it makes them feel more secure in their own need for a gun. They vote for this at the ballot box. They support this financially by giving dollars to the NRA or gun manufacturers.
Yes, the politicians are also culpable, but so is every gun owner in this country. They normalize this garbage to rationalize their own selfish insecurities.
I'm not sure it's fair to say this of "every gun owner."
I know many gun owners who are not members of or fans of the NRA, support many gun control measures, hate that military-style rifles are readily available, etc. But they own rifles to hunt or target shoot.
I'm fine with these people. I'm even fine with people who foolishly believe they need a handgun in the home to protect themselves.
The problem are tiny-d*icked, wannabe tough guys who equate guns with masculinity and power, fetishize their ownership of them and, despite loads of evidence to the contrary, thinks the government is coming to get them.
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We need more armed guards in the schools right?
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1529277856051826689?s=21&t=i9Z2joUGUbSK-606Fwo9tg
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Not in America. This is a good night for the gun lobby and gun fetish folks. A mass shooting at a school instead of another public space means they can shift the goalposts to blaming a lack of security at schools and not the gun violence that runs rampant throughout America, not just Chicago. Really, it’s the schools fault.
"OMG, there is a guy with a flamethrower running around the neighborhood setting houses on fire!"
"Now, now, flamethrowers are just inanimate objects, no reason to restrict access to them. What we really need is to make houses more fire resistant."
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I'm not sure it's fair to say this of "every gun owner."
I know many gun owners who are not members of or fans of the NRA, support many gun control measures, hate that military-style rifles are readily available, etc. But they own rifles to hunt or target shoot.
I'm fine with these people. I'm even fine with people who foolishly believe they need a handgun in the home to protect themselves.
The problem are tiny-d*icked, wannabe tough guys who equate guns with masculinity and power, fetishize their ownership of them and, despite loads of evidence to the contrary, thinks the government is coming to get them.
What an odd endorsement of trans rights
https://twitter.com/MsBlaireWhite/status/1525154432496934912 (https://twitter.com/MsBlaireWhite/status/1525154432496934912)
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We need more armed guards in the schools right?
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1529277856051826689?s=21&t=i9Z2joUGUbSK-606Fwo9tg
Just like the ones in Parkland.
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I'm not sure it's fair to say this of "every gun owner."
I know many gun owners who are not members of or fans of the NRA, support many gun control measures, hate that military-style rifles are readily available, etc. But they own rifles to hunt or target shoot.
I'm past that. Because we always hear about the illegal guns, and yet every illegal gun was once a legal one. So it's the legal, so called "responsible" gun owners that helped get us where we are. Anyone that has given a penny to a gun manufacturer owns a share of this.
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unnatural carnal knowledge this pretty boy
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I'm past that. Because we always hear about the illegal guns, and yet every illegal gun was once a legal one. So it's the legal, so called "responsible" gun owners that helped get us where we are. Anyone that has given a penny to a gun manufacturer owns a share of this.
The corporate press has covered legal guns too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/08/25/taliban-us-military-weapons/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/08/25/taliban-us-military-weapons/)
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I'm not sure it's fair to say this of "every gun owner."
I know many gun owners who are not members of or fans of the NRA, support many gun control measures, hate that military-style rifles are readily available, etc. But they own rifles to hunt or target shoot.
I'm fine with these people. I'm even fine with people who foolishly believe they need a handgun in the home to protect themselves.
The problem are tiny-d*icked, wannabe tough guys who equate guns with masculinity and power, fetishize their ownership of them and, despite loads of evidence to the contrary, thinks the government is coming to get them.
We also had that scumbag In Las Vegas with no criminal record at all who massacred people 30 floors up from his room at the Mandalay Bay. If this 18 yr old literally walked into a gun shop and within minutes bought two firearms it's disgusting. Even if he had some sort of background check. Each of these cases are different and we also have tons of gun murders from weapons acquired illegally. I think we have 100 million gun owners in this country, it's pretty insane. Maybe age requirements need to change? Bi-monthly checks and renewals? I agree with Hards that schools need to be far more secure with electronic systems for starters.
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We also had that scumbag In Las Vegas with no criminal record at all who massacred people 30 floors up from his room at the Mandalay Bay. If this 18 yr old literally walked into a gun shop and within minutes bought two firearms it's disgusting. Even if he had some sort of background check. Each of these cases are different and we also have tons of gun murders from weapons acquired illegally. I think we have 100 million gun owners in this country, it's pretty insane. Maybe age requirements need to change? Bi-monthly checks and renewals? I agree with Hards that schools need to be far more secure with electronic systems for starters.
Let's start by re-upping the 1994 assault weapons ban. There's no earthly reason a citizen needs to or should own an AR-15 or any similar weapon. They're no good for hunting. They're no good for target practice. They're no good for home defense.
They serve one purpose only - to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible.
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Require gun owners to see a psychologist/counselor once a month. Helps gun control and helps the mental health issue that apparently only the US has.
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We also had that scumbag In Las Vegas with no criminal record at all who massacred people 30 floors up from his room at the Mandalay Bay. If this 18 yr old literally walked into a gun shop and within minutes bought two firearms it's disgusting. Even if he had some sort of background check. Each of these cases are different and we also have tons of gun murders from weapons acquired illegally. I think we have 100 million gun owners in this country, it's pretty insane. Maybe age requirements need to change? Bi-monthly checks and renewals? I agree with Hards that schools need to be far more secure with electronic systems for starters.
It's no secret that gun control laws are meant to keep firearms out of the hands of *checks notes* minorities.
https://news.yahoo.com/long-racist-history-gun-control-132426060.html (https://news.yahoo.com/long-racist-history-gun-control-132426060.html)
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We also had that scumbag In Las Vegas with no criminal record at all who massacred people 30 floors up from his room at the Mandalay Bay. If this 18 yr old literally walked into a gun shop and within minutes bought two firearms it's disgusting. Even if he had some sort of background check. Each of these cases are different and we also have tons of gun murders from weapons acquired illegally. I think we have 100 million gun owners in this country, it's pretty insane. Maybe age requirements need to change? Bi-monthly checks and renewals? I agree with Hards that schools need to be far more secure with electronic systems for starters.
Agree that there needs to be more done. Personally, my perspective has really shifted in the last 5 years and I’ve experienced 2 personal deaths due to them. When you bring a gun into your home, even for self defense, a lot of variables now come into play. There’s a much greater chance of something else going wrong than you successfully neutralizing a threat with it. AR rifles should also be banned, imo. So, I’ll support policies that aim to reduce the amount of gun violence in this country and I wish republicans would give an inch on it. The reason they won’t is because they are afraid the other side will take a mile on it.
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Of course, because they want this. Every gun owner secretly wants this. They want a justification to have their own gun.
Despicable lie that you know is a lie.
No more true than saying that everyone who supports abortion on demand secretly wants more dead babies.
I know you’re heartbroken and angry. Everybody is. And you’re passionate about your opinions. That’s OK. But accusing people of cheering on mass murderers because you disagree with them on gun control policies is far beyond the pale.
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Notre Dame sucks.
Notre Dame says it is ‘appalled’ the Buffalo shooting suspect cited an article by one of its professors
The University of Notre Dame issued a statement saying it is “appalled” that the suspect in the Buffalo grocery store shooting cited an article written by one of its professors in his diatribe before he killed 10 people.
Payton Gendron, 18, has been charged with murder and is being held without bail.
In 2013, John Gaski, associate professor at Notre Dame, wrote a commentary titled “A Discussion on Race, Crime and the Inconvenient Facts,” where he makes claims of race-based rape and crime statistics but fails to cite where he got his information.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-notre-dame-professor-buffalo-shooting-20220525-gcxz5ui3tnhmrmbzpyiclnqvvm-story.html
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Agree that there needs to be more done. Personally, my perspective has really shifted in the last 5 years and I’ve experienced 2 personal deaths due to them. When you bring a gun into your home, even for self defense, a lot of variables now come into play. There’s a much greater chance of something else going wrong than you successfully neutralizing a threat with it. AR rifles should also be banned, imo. So, I’ll support policies that aim to reduce the amount of gun violence in this country and I wish republicans would give an inch on it. The reason they won’t is because they are afraid the other side will take a mile on it.
No. The reason they won't is that it has been turned into a wedge issue over the last thirty years that keeps them in power and lines their pockets.
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Agree that there needs to be more done. Personally, my perspective has really shifted in the last 5 years and I’ve experienced 2 personal deaths due to them. When you bring a gun into your home, even for self defense, a lot of variables now come into play. There’s a much greater chance of something else going wrong than you successfully neutralizing a threat with it. AR rifles should also be banned, imo. So, I’ll support policies that aim to reduce the amount of gun violence in this country and I wish republicans would give an inch on it. The reason they won’t is because they are afraid the other side will take a mile on it.
I can't seem to find the stats on female gun owners but I believe their ownership has increased substantially. I'm curious what percentage of gun murders are committed by women? I would think it's relatively low regardless their weapon of choice.
We have a significant cultural problem. Clearly more guns means more suicides which we don't seem to talk about much. This has been an awful, awful, day. I really hope we can have a rational discussion without politicizing this terrible tragedy. I just feel there are many factors that need to be looked at and the common talking points on both political sides leads to more division and isn't particularly effective towards viable solutions.
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They're no good for hunting. They're no good for target practice. They're no good for home defense.
Not to get into this whole argument with the scoops. But I literally use an AR15 for all 3 examples.
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Not to get into this whole argument with the scoops. But I literally use an AR15 for all 3 examples.
OK.
You can probably use it to take down drywall as well, but that doesn't mean it's good for that task.
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OK.
You can probably use it to take down drywall as well, but that doesn't mean it's good for that task.
Well sure if we want to go out to left field and shoot three pointers....
Last statement on this post, because I agree with a lot of what has been said by tamu and others, however your statement in my eyes is just absolutely inaccurate.
Explain how an ar15 is no good for hunting, no good for target shooting, and no good for home defense.
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Both of my parents who are teachers are retiring after 34 years of teaching.
All I’ve been doing is been counting down the days until their retirement so that was one less thing I would have to worry about, they they survived. Literally survived.
Then I remember my sister is in year two of teaching and I have another 30 year countdown.
Survival, that’s literally all I can think about when guns are still readily and easily available. Not education, but survival. And that should be the furthest thing from any parent/student/teacher mind.
You should be ashamed of yourself if you think guns aren’t a problem in this country.
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Well sure if we want to go out to left field and shoot three pointers....
Last statement on this post, because I agree with a lot of what has been said by tamu and others, however your statement in my eyes is just absolutely inaccurate.
Explain how an ar15 is no good for hunting, no good for target shooting, and no good for home defense.
I served in the military and the M16A2/M4 was the weapon I used for 20 years. It is first and foremost designed as an assault weapon platform, no matter what the spin. A hunter does not need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt, if he does he sucks, and should go play video games. I see more men running around the bush all cammo’d up with assault vests and face paint with tricked out AR’s. These are not hunters but wannabe weekend warriors.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/06/gun-control-ar-15-rifle-the-nra-claims-the-ar-15-rifle-is-for-hunting-and-home-defense-not-exactly.html
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Somebody mentioned Manchin as a roadblock to possible legislation. Manchin actually worked with a Republican senator to co-author a bipartisan bill requiring universal background checks a few years back - maybe 2013 or 2014? But it died the way all these efforts do, at the hands of the party that gets huge contributions from the gun lobby and that is afraid to piss off the basest part of their base.
Meanwhile ...
Sure, there are mental health issues in America -- just like in every other country. Unfortunately, that's another issue that dies in Congress. The money isn't there because the will isn't there; after all, mental health is a "woke" issue for "soft" people. Real men (and women) handle their problems with guns -- and, of course, with violent, seditionist, cop-maiming coup attempts.
I'm surprised a few Scoopers haven't already lectured that the AR doesn't stand for "assault rifle," because that's what's really important here.
Let's harangue our teachers, threaten them with job losses and lawsuits if they dare to read from banned books, take away their dignity and authority, score political points by lying about them teaching CRT. Let's make them serve as social workers and nurses (to deal with all those mental health issues) because most public schools either cut those positions or never had them. And now, as a bonus, let's arm them and ask them to be trained security officers, too.
Remember after Parkland when the then-president casually mentioned that maybe guns should be taken away from unstable people first, and worry about due process later? Republican politicians practically had heart attacks on the spot, and the then-president quickly was brought to heel by the NRA. Good times.
And speaking of the NRA, in a couple days it'll be time to enjoy that big enclave in Houston. What thrills they'll have celebrating firearms! Maybe they can even put photos of politicians they don't like on targets and pretend to shoot them, to the hoots and hollers of their mouth-breathing sycophants. Can't beat that for fun!
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The Republican Party has blood on their hands and will continue to block any sort of legislation to stop actual change.
Joe Biden has been in the Congress or the White House for 50 years. In those 5 decades he has not done one goddamn thing that would have stopped today's shooting in Texas.
And, the Democratic Congress could pass ANY gun control legislation they wanted, tomorrow, if either Joe Manchin or Kyrsten Sinema voted to amend the Senate fillibuster rule. The Republicans would be irrelavent.
So if you're looking for blood on anyone's hands, maybe you should look a little closer to home.
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Not to get into this whole argument with the scoops. But I literally use an AR15 for all 3 examples.
Sound like a tough guy. Are you sure it isn't because you are afraid that Bambi will stare you to death?
And if your gun is locked up as it should be, it is almost always useless against a home invader. Safety tip #1: You don't get to ask an intruder if it is OK to get your gun to shoot him.
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Both of my parents who are teachers are retiring after 34 years of teaching.
All I’ve been doing is been counting down the days until their retirement so that was one less thing I would have to worry about, they they survived. Literally survived.
Then I remember my sister is in year two of teaching and I have another 30 year countdown.
Survival, that’s literally all I can think about when guns are still readily and easily available. Not education, but survival. And that should be the furthest thing from any parent/student/teacher mind.
You should be ashamed of yourself if you think guns aren’t a problem in this country.
My daughter, who is a teacher, was as distraught today as I have ever seen her. Of course to R's, that would be taken as a sign of mental illness.
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Joe Biden has been in the Congress or the White House for 50 years. In those 5 decades he has not done one goddamn thing that would have stopped today's shooting in Texas.
And, the Democratic Congress could pass ANY gun control legislation they wanted, tomorrow, if either Joe Manchin or Kyrsten Sinema voted to amend the Senate fillibuster rule. The Republicans would be irrelavent.
So if you're looking for blood on anyone's hands, maybe you should look a little closer to home.
So 96% of democratic senators want change and 0% of republican senators and your reasoning is that democrats are the ones who should look in the mirror. That is, interesting?
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Kinda wild whenever someone kills people, everyone blames everyone and everything (including inanimate objects) except for the actual perpetrator.
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Kinda wild whenever someone kills people, everyone blames everyone and everything (including inanimate objects) except for the actual perpetrator.
Because this doesn’t happen literally anywhere else in the world at this rate and our country’s (1/2 of it) toxic gun culture is the obvious reason, unless you have the wool pulled over your eyes. So sure, blame this individual and sit back and wait fir the next one and do nothing. Solid effort that continues to reap benefits.
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Because this doesn’t happen literally anywhere else in the world at this rate and our country’s (1/2 of it) toxic gin culture is the obvious reason, unless you have the wool pulled over your eyes. So sure, blame this individual and sit back and wait fir the next one and do nothing. Solid effort that continues to reap benefits.
Guns aren’t going away. Armalite rifles aren’t going away, I never worry about this so I don’t argue about it nor fear it. Nobody is coming for my guns or anyone else’s, because that would be the end of the country. So, something else has to happen. Addressing the cultural rot would be a good start.
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Joe Biden has been in the Congress or the White House for 50 years. In those 5 decades he has not done one goddamn thing that would have stopped today's shooting in Texas.
The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban wasn't a goddamn thing?
Regardless, this post shows a woeful lack of understanding of how the government works.
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Guns aren’t going away. Armalite rifles aren’t going away, I never worry about this so I don’t argue about it nor fear it. Nobody is coming for my guns or anyone else’s, because that would be the end of the country. So, something else has to happen. Addressing the cultural rot would be a good start.
The cultural rot that has people saying, “they better not be commin’ for ma guns!”
So stupid. Keep letting kids die because of fear of living without an assault rifle. Imagine the sad sad life without the precious weapon of war.
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One guy (1!) unsuccessfully tried to detonate an explosive on a plane with his shoe 20 years ago. Ever since, people are forced to take off their shoes before going to get on a plane.
Yet, here we are.
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Guns aren’t going away. Armalite rifles aren’t going away, I never worry about this so I don’t argue about it nor fear it. Nobody is coming for my guns or anyone else’s, because that would be the end of the country. So, something else has to happen. Addressing the cultural rot would be a good start.
The fact that you truly believe that taking away peoples guns would be the end of the country is the exactly rhetoric that makes guns incredibly problematic.
Honest to god question, how would your life be any different if you didn’t have a gun?
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Kinda wild whenever someone kills people, everyone blames everyone and everything (including inanimate objects) except for the actual perpetrator.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
You posted this four days ago:
"Ok, people know about the shooting now. Just realize this happens in Chicago every night because of the thugs, mayor and soft on crime policies."
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63391.msg1450205#msg1450205
Your hypocrisy knows no limits, Cheeks.
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The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban wasn't a goddamn thing?
Regardless, this post shows a woeful lack of understanding of how the government works.
You need to read a little more closely. The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban did nothing to prevent the Texas shooting, did it??
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The cultural rot that has people saying, “they better not be commin’ for ma guns!”
So stupid. Keep letting kids die because of fear of living without an assault rifle. Imagine the sad sad life without the precious weapon of war.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. It’s not my fault people go nuts and shoot up schools. My job is to protect my family to the best of my ability. There’s no such thing as an assault rifle by the way.
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One guy (1!) unsuccessfully tried to detonate an explosive on a plane with his shoe 20 years ago. Ever since, people are forced to take off their shoes before going to get on a plane.
Yet, here we are.
That's a real eye-opening post, Dish. So effen true. What a country.
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. It’s not my fault people go nuts and shoot up schools. My job is to protect my family to the best of my ability. There’s no such thing as an assault rifle by the way.
You want to argue semantics. I want to save kids lives. I’m cool with that.
It’s no one’s fault then. Somehow though, this doesn’t happen in the UK, Australia, or most any other developed country. Can’t figure out why though… keep hugging your guns buddy.
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Ha ha ha ha ha.
You posted this four days ago:
"Ok, people know about the shooting now. Just realize this happens in Chicago every night because of the thugs, mayor and soft on crime policies."
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63391.msg1450205#msg1450205
Your hypocrisy knows no limits, Cheeks.
Notice I blamed the responsible parties and not the inanimate objects. Seems consistent to me but you are entitled to your opinion.
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You want to argue semantics. I want to save kids lives. I’m cool with that.
It’s no one’s fault then. Somehow though, this doesn’t happen in the UK, Australia, or most any other developed country. Can’t figure out why though… keep hugging your guns buddy.
Will do, thanks.
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You need to read a little more closely. The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban did nothing to prevent the Texas shooting, did it??
In a day full of insipid comments, this ranks way up there.
No law has ever prevented any crime. So, I guess we should have no laws.
#dickthedribblerlogic
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Kinda wild whenever someone kills people, everyone blames everyone and everything (including inanimate objects) except for the actual perpetrator.
Because blaming him goes without saying. 100% of people agree that he is at fault and should pay for what he did (which he already has).
But this man wasn't destined to be this. There are things that could have been done to prevent this from happening. At very least, there were things that could have been done to make sure that the death toll wasn't this high.
The will of the American people is being subverted. We have spoken and want more regulations on firearms. You can't get 90% of Americans to agree on almost anything but we agree on this. Yet minority rule allows our demands to go ignored. Doesn't that piss you off? It should if you are a country loving American.
And no, more regulation won't end gun violence. Thousands of people will still die. But wouldn't it be great if it was a few thousand less than what it would have been? Seatbelts don't stop all car accident deaths yet we still require them. We've tried your way. It doesn't work. In fact, it's been an unmitigated disaster. It's time to try something new.
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One guy (1!) unsuccessfully tried to detonate an explosive on a plane with his shoe 20 years ago. Ever since, people are forced to take off their shoes before going to get on a plane.
Yet, here we are.
I mean f*ck, right? No one blinks when we react to one isolated incident (that FAILED) but we see tens of thousands successfully murdered and we shrug our shoulders. The f*ck is wrong with people?
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BTW, latest death count up to 19 children and 2 adults (not including the shooter). Those 19 children were second to fourth graders, meaning we are talking about 7 to 10 year olds.
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The f*ck is wrong with people?
Look at the posts above and you have your answer. People care more about their precious weapons than innocent school children. Period.
Glad those Marquette values really came through on all my fellow alumni. So sad.
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Notice I blamed the responsible parties and not the inanimate objects. Seems consistent to me but you are entitled to your opinion.
You completely ignored my question. How would your life be any different without your guns?
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You want to argue semantics. I want to save kids lives. I’m cool with that.
It’s no one’s fault then. Somehow though, this doesn’t happen in the UK, Australia, or most any other developed country. Can’t figure out why though… keep hugging your guns buddy.
Thanks hero.
Not only did nobody lose their job, they never issued apology
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/12/13/us-will-not-punish-military-over-afghanistan-drone-killing-of-civilians.html (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/12/13/us-will-not-punish-military-over-afghanistan-drone-killing-of-civilians.html)
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I really hope we can have a rational discussion without politicizing this terrible tragedy. I just feel there are many factors that need to be looked at and the common talking points on both political sides leads to more division and isn't particularly effective towards viable solutions.
I appreciate the sentiment Muggsy, but 19 7-10 year olds are dead. And that's just looking at today, it doesn't include the hundreds of thousands lost to gun violence over the past few decades. We are past rational discussion. Every single person in this country should be filled with righteous indignation until meaningful regulation is enacted and a meaningful level of additional support for mental health services in this country is approved.
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Thanks hero.
Not only did nobody lose their job, they never issued apology
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/12/13/us-will-not-punish-military-over-afghanistan-drone-killing-of-civilians.html (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/12/13/us-will-not-punish-military-over-afghanistan-drone-killing-of-civilians.html)
Save your efforts to change the subject or to build a straw man. Some adults are having a real conversation about domestic gun violence. Bye.
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You completely ignored my question. How would your life be any different without your guns?
I wouldn’t feel as safe, nor would my family. If someone breaks into our house, we can blow them to pieces. If we have no guns, they blow us to pieces with a gun they obtained on the black market. Simple as that. I won’t give up that type of security, nor will many other people who care about protecting themselves against not only bad actors but also an overreaching government, lest we end up like Australia.
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I wouldn’t feel as safe, nor would my family. If someone breaks into our house, we can blow them to pieces. If we have no guns, they blow us to pieces with a gun they obtained on the black market. Simple as that. I won’t give up that type of security, nor will many other people who care about protecting themselves against not only bad actors but also an overreaching government, lest we end up like Australia.
This is perfect. I love how you fantasize about blowing someone to pieces. Good touch. Not gross at all. Can’t imagine why mass shootings happen, not at all.
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Save your efforts to change the subject or to build a straw man. Some adults are having a real conversation about domestic gun violence. Bye.
it’s not ok (to murder children) if it is state sanctioned violence.
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This is perfect. I love how you fantasize about blowing someone to pieces. Good touch. Not gross at all. Can’t imagine why mass shootings happen, not at all.
That’s your opinion and that was mine. Interesting how neither myself or anyone I know goes on to perform mass shootings. What a wild coincidence. It’s a miracle.
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This is perfect. I love how you fantasize about blowing someone to pieces. Good touch. Not gross at all. Can’t imagine why mass shootings happen, not at all.
My favorite part is how he's going to use his guns to protect himself against the government.
Good luck with that, Cliven Bundy.
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That’s your opinion and that was mine. Interesting how neither myself or anyone I know goes on to perform mass shootings. What a wild coincidence. It’s a miracle.
24 hours ago, Salvador Ramos had never committed a mass shooting. Then the miracle ended, I guess.
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24 hours ago, Salvador Ramos had never committed a mass shooting. Then the miracle ended, I guess.
I don’t know that dude.
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That’s your opinion and that was mine. Interesting how neither myself or anyone I know goes on to perform mass shootings. What a wild coincidence. It’s a miracle.
Not yet I guess. But you do nothing to make it even a tad bit harder for folks to get military grade weapons, just so you can have piece of mind that the slippery slope that you have imagined will eventually reach you doesn’t. The kids are just a sad byproduct of your need to keep guns cheap and accessible.
Was that part of theology 001 or 002, I forget.
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My favorite part is how he's going to use his guns to protect himself against the government.
Good luck with that, Cliven Bundy.
My favorite part is the United States government is the greatest perpetrator of violence in the world. Who is even close for 2nd place in the 21st century?
They will burn your children alive and not lose a wink of sleep.
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My favorite part is the United States government is the greatest perpetrator of violence in the world. Who is even close for 2nd place in the 21st century?
They will burn your children alive and not lose a wink of sleep.
I’m sure you vote with the bloc that wants to decrease military spending, eh?
Side note, my other favorite argument on this topic is that illegal guns are so cheap and available, so I better get mine… somehow Econ 101 (maybe wasn’t taught at MU at the time?) missed these folks. Otherwise they would easily comprehend that less easily accessible AR-15s means way more expensive AR-15s and thus, less in the hands of, idk, 18 year olds, petty criminals, etc. Idk anymore.
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Following Tuesday's mass shooting at a Texas elementary school, Arizona GOP congressman Paul Gosar spread a false and transphobic claim that the suspected shooter was a "transsexual leftist illegal alien."
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I don’t know that dude.
But I am sure he also fantasized about blowing someone to pieces. See the similarity?
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My favorite part is the United States government is the greatest perpetrator of violence in the world. Who is even close for 2nd place in the 21st century?
They will burn your children alive and not lose a wink of sleep.
Thanks John.
Get another job.
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Guns aren’t going away. Armalite rifles aren’t going away, I never worry about this so I don’t argue about it nor fear it. Nobody is coming for my guns or anyone else’s, because that would be the end of the country. So, something else has to happen. Addressing the cultural rot would be a good start.
Guns aren’t going away no doubt. Beginning common sense ways to restrict access to them would be smart however.
And stop with the “cultural rot” nonsense.
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I wouldn’t feel as safe, nor would my family. If someone breaks into our house, we can blow them to pieces. If we have no guns, they blow us to pieces with a gun they obtained on the black market. Simple as that. I won’t give up that type of security, nor will many other people who care about protecting themselves against not only bad actors but also an overreaching government, lest we end up like Australia.
Dude you ain’t blowing up any intruder to pieces. Stop with that bullsh*t.
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Guns aren’t going away no doubt. Beginning common sense ways to restrict access to them would be smart however.
And stop with the “cultural rot” nonsense.
Actually let’s fix the cultural rot in the Church. Where supposed Christians give their thoughts and prayers but then never do anything to actually fix the problem.
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Guns aren’t going away. Armalite rifles aren’t going away, I never worry about this so I don’t argue about it nor fear it. Nobody is coming for my guns or anyone else’s, because that would be the end of the country. So, something else has to happen. Addressing the cultural rot would be a good start.
The bolded is the cultural rot.
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Despicable lie that you know is a lie.
Calling me a liar might help you sleep at night, but it's the push of the "legal, responsible" gun owners that got us here and keep us here.
So no. Not a lie, just an uncomfortable truth.
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This country has a severe mental illness epidemic that needs to be addressed, hey?
https://twitter.com/rubengallego/status/1529408132878938113?s=21&t=EXVKcc7a6KVTIET05Du7PA
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I wouldn’t feel as safe, nor would my family. If someone breaks into our house, we can blow them to pieces. If we have no guns, they blow us to pieces with a gun they obtained on the black market. Simple as that. I won’t give up that type of security, nor will many other people who care about protecting themselves against not only bad actors but also an overreaching government, lest we end up like Australia.
I always think it’s hilarious the guy who took a weekend gun class and presumably has no police/military background will stand eye to eye with someone in an extremely high stress situation and comfortably “blow them to pieces.”
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Joe Biden has been in the Congress or the White House for 50 years. In those 5 decades he has not done one goddamn thing that would have stopped today's shooting in Texas.
And, the Democratic Congress could pass ANY gun control legislation they wanted, tomorrow, if either Joe Manchin or Kyrsten Sinema voted to amend the Senate fillibuster rule. The Republicans would be irrelavent.
So if you're looking for blood on anyone's hands, maybe you should look a little closer to home.
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Joe Biden has been in the Congress or the White House for 50 years. In those 5 decades he has not done one goddamn thing that would have stopped today's shooting in Texas.
And, the Democratic Congress could pass ANY gun control legislation they wanted, tomorrow, if either Joe Manchin or Kyrsten Sinema voted to amend the Senate fillibuster rule. The Republicans would be irrelavent.
So if you're looking for blood on anyone's hands, maybe you should look a little closer to home.
Some lawmakers have blocked change any chance they’ve had because of their relationship with the NRA. This leads to the actual change makers making concessions on tough laws to try and get anything out to make a difference. These laws send up being half effective because of the concessions made to appease those in the NRA’s pockets. It’s not rocket science.
Protecting kids in schools should not be a partisan issue.
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I wouldn’t feel as safe, nor would my family. If someone breaks into our house, we can blow them to pieces. If we have no guns, they blow us to pieces with a gun they obtained on the black market. Simple as that. I won’t give up that type of security, nor will many other people who care about protecting themselves against not only bad actors but also an overreaching government, lest we end up like Australia.
Statistically speaking, you're far more likely to blow your family members away, or have them blow themselves away.
End up like Australia? Oh the horror.
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The shooter had many commonalities with the Buffalo shooter.
And for those who want to arm teachers, retired police officers, etc., there was a retired police officer working as a security guard in Buffalo. He shot at the heavily body armored assailant. He's dead.
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The shooter had many commonalities with the Buffalo shooter.
And for those who want to arm teachers, retired police officers, etc., there was a retired police officer working as a security guard in Buffalo. He shot at the heavily body armored assailant. He's dead.
Wait, you're telling me that a person who has a gun isn't invincible? And the good guys with guns weren't able to stop the shooter before he killed 20+ people?
Well, color me surprised.
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The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban wasn't a goddamn thing?
Regardless, this post shows a woeful lack of understanding of how the government works.
No, not really.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Total_deaths_in_US_mass_shootings.png)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Effects
The bill was lip service and far too weak to have any real effect.
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The shooter had many commonalities with the Buffalo shooter.
And for those who want to arm teachers, retired police officers, etc., there was a retired police officer working as a security guard in Buffalo. He shot at the heavily body armored assailant. He's dead.
In Uvalde there were multiple people with guns who engaged the shooter before he entered the school. He still got in and killed 19 7 to 10 year olds and two teachers.
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Has their been a motive established yet? It wasn’t gang or race related… what? Why target this school? These children?
It seems that many of the recent (seemingly random) mass shootings perpetrated by young men all have subsequent reports that they had been known to have behavioral issues and had been called out as a potential threat… even requiring counseling. Nut cases and outcasts… unstable homes, etc…
Red Flags all over the place in most cases…
maybe make juvenile records available to background checks… but of course, the incidents would need added to those records and often they are not.
Red flag laws might be a route to take. They’re likely inevitable but transfer so much power to big brother/the man. If red flag laws are pursued at some point, to be actionable, there would need to be a clear and high threshold to meet… I’m not sure that’s possible because as tragic as these incidents are, we still maintain the right to bear arms to protect our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Which is unique to this country and maybe why these types of tragedies occur here and nowhere else… unless in some type of oppressive war ridden country.
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Safer to be a police officer than a public school student in 2022.
Can we come up with a thin colored line flag for our kids?
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Safer to be a police officer than a public school student in 2022.
Can we come up with a thin colored line flag for our kids?
We already fly flags at half staff 95% of the time because of these things, make sure to incorporate that.
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https://twitter.com/rubengallego/status/1529408132878938113?s=21&t=EXVKcc7a6KVTIET05Du7PA
This is not is partisan issue. Anyone who denies the presence of mental health issues with mass murders is either in denial or doesn't understand the complexity of the problem. The murders should be committed long before it gets to the point of harming others. But, can't do that today because its not the kinder, gentler approach, aina?
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Has their been a motive established yet? It wasn’t gang or race related… what? Why target this school? These children?
It seems that many of the recent (seemingly random) mass shootings perpetrated by young men all have subsequent reports that they had been known to have behavioral issues and had been called out as a potential threat… even requiring counseling. Nut cases and outcasts… unstable homes, etc…
Red Flags all over the place in most cases…
maybe make juvenile records available to background checks… but of course, the incidents would need added to those records and often they are not.
Red flag laws might be a route to take. They’re likely inevitable but transfer so much power to big brother/the man. If red flag laws are pursued at some point, to be actionable, there would need to be a clear and high threshold to meet… I’m not sure that’s possible because as tragic as these incidents are, we still maintain the right to bear arms to protect our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Which is unique to this country and maybe why these types of tragedies occur here and nowhere else… unless in some type of oppressive war ridden country.
The picture his former acquaintances and his social media accounts paint is that of a young man who deified violence. Killed/tortured animals. Cut himself because it felt good.
How do you monitor every single social media account?
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This is not is partisan issue. Anyone who denies the presence of mental health issues with mass murders is either in denial or doesn't understand the complexity of the problem. The murders should be committed long before it gets to the point of harming others. But, can't do that today because its not the kinder, gentler approach, aina?
Fix your typo.
Yes, there is a mental health issue in this country. Please describe your vision of a fix for that.
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As I understand it, mental health patients must seek help on their own initiative. Others, including family while they may realize the problems, are powerless to do anything about it. This policy, if true, should be changed, hey?
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OK. Nice start. Where are you going to put them and who is going to staff it and how will it be paid for?
And let me add that there should be far more school counselors. Should they have the power to commit a child they think is a threat?
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This is not is partisan issue. Anyone who denies the presence of mental health issues with mass murders is either in denial or doesn't understand the complexity of the problem. The murders should be committed long before it gets to the point of harming others. But, can't do that today because its not the kinder, gentler approach, aina?
Your argument isn’t serious if you believe this is an issue but also want unfettered access to guns.
No one is denying that mental health isn’t a problem. People are saying it isn’t a unique problem.
In your terms
Crazae peepil + aczess 2 gunz = the mezz weez in
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I would also add that we’ve been living in a society flooded with guns….it hasn’t worked. It’s a failed policy…the next one has probably already bought their body armor. So sad.
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This is not is partisan issue. Anyone who denies the presence of mental health issues with mass murders is either in denial or doesn't understand the complexity of the problem. The murders should be committed long before it gets to the point of harming others. But, can't do that today because its not the kinder, gentler approach, aina?
It’s also not a partisan issue that access to guns is too simple and we have a gun culture problem in this country.
The criminal in this incident had zero restrictions from purchasing a weapon. Maybe as a society, we ought to understand that it’s easy for criminals to get guns because there are more of them in circulation than actual citizens.
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No, not really.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Total_deaths_in_US_mass_shootings.png)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Effects
The bill was lip service and far too weak to have any real effect.
From the link you provided:
A 2019 DiMaggio et al. study looked at mass shooting data for 1981 to 2017 and found that mass-shooting fatalities were 70% less likely to occur during the 1994 to 2004 federal ban period, and that the ban was associated with a 0.1% reduction in total firearm homicide fatalities due to the reduction in mass-shootings' contribution to total homicides.
A study by Mark Gius, professor of economics at Quinnipiac University, studied the law's impact on public mass shootings.[44] Gius defined this subset of mass shootings as those occurring in a relatively public place, targeted random victims, were not otherwise related to a crime (a robbery or act of terrorism), and that involved four or more victim fatalities. Gius found that while assault weapons were not the primary weapon used in this subset of mass shootings, fatalities and injuries were statistically lower during the period the federal ban was active. The 2018 Rand analysis noted that the federal law portion of this analysis lacked a comparison group
But wait, there's more:
University of Massachusetts researcher Louis Klarevas, author of the book “Rampage Nation,” found that the number of gun massacres dropped by 37 percent and the number of gun massacre deaths feel by 43 percent while the ban was in effect compared to the previous decade. After the ban lapsed in 2004, those numbers dramatically rose – a 183 percent increase in massacres and a 239 percent increase in massacre deaths.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/15/its-time-to-bring-back-the-assault-weapons-ban-gun-violence-experts-say/?noredirect=on
A 2019 study in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Surgery found that, based on data from 1981 to 2017, there were fewer mass-shooting deaths while the ban was in place.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30188421/
A 2017 study in the Journal of Urban Health observed that law enforcement recovery of assault weapons fell nationwide while the ban was in base, indicating that they were used in fewer crimes, but increased after the ban expired.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11524-017-0205-7
The FAWB resulted in a significant decrease in public mass shootings, number of gun deaths, and number of gun injuries. We estimate that the FAWB prevented 11 public mass shootings during the decade the ban was in place. A continuation of the FAWB would have prevented 30 public mass shootings that killed 339 people and injured an additional 1139 people.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33783360/
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This is not is partisan issue. Anyone who denies the presence of mental health issues with mass murders is either in denial or doesn't understand the complexity of the problem. The murders should be committed long before it gets to the point of harming others. But, can't do that today because its not the kinder, gentler approach, aina?
How is it that no other country has mass mental health issues?
(https://images2.imgbox.com/e1/31/lgLIy2WK_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/lgLIy2WK)
Buy yeah, keep voting against funding any solutions and keep deflecting from the obvious problem.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/a4/dd/sRDRjOpg_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/sRDRjOpg)
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Don't worry, folks. Ted Cruz is on it!
He said on the twits that he and his wife "are fervently lifting up in prayer the children and families in the horrific shooting in Uvalde."
Halleluyah!
Except the almighty lord apparently was vacationing in Cancun when it came to protecting those kids. Hey, he can't be everywhere and do everything. It's not like he's supposed to be omnipresent and omnipotent.
In his next breath, Cruz of course criticized Democrats for "politicizing" the incident. He was upset that some Dems had the temerity to call for the kind of common-sense gun laws that 70% to 90% of Americans want. Heathens! If you want gun laws, you hate god!
Cruz knows the truth: We actually need more guns! Arm the teachers! Arm the administrators! Arm the custodians! Why stop there? Arm the schoolkids!
And while Cruz and his ugly (according to Trump) wife were fervently praying, NC legislators were feverishly crafting a bill that would mimic Florida's "Don't Say Gay" law. Because enacting laws like that, banning books and taking stands against CRT (which has never been taught in a single K-12 school) are the real way to protect our kids.
As usual, it's not enough for one GOP-led state to simply mimic another's cruel, discriminatory actions. They have to take it a step further and be even more cruel. And so the NC law would require teachers to "out" any kids who confide in them -- just as Jesus would want.
A little surprised they aren't requiring teachers to shoot the gay out of kids. That'd learn 'em!
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As I understand it, mental health patients must seek help on their own initiative. Others, including family while they may realize the problems, are powerless to do anything about it. This policy, if true, should be changed, hey?
Such "red flag" laws have been proposed in Texas in 2017, 2019 and 2021. The Republican-controlled legislature has allowed them to die in committee. Greg Abbott even said he'd support such a law, until he took heat from the gun nuts and backed away.
https://www.uslawshield.com/update-red-flag-laws-tx/
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/24/texas-gun-laws-uvalde-mass-shootings/
And Ted Cruz has been an outspoken opponent to federal red flag legislation.
https://www.cruz.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sen-cruz-federal-red-flag-laws-are-not-the-answer-to-reducing-gun-violence
Even the people who claim this is really a mental health issue aren't doing anything to address it.
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Chicos feels safer because if someone comes charging into his house he is allowed to go to his gun safe, unlock it, pull out his weapon of choice, and blow the intruder to pieces.
The guy is literally the saddest person I've ever come across in my life. First he's been permabanned multiple times on an internet forum yet keeps coming back over and over and over. That lone says quite a bit.
Then he writes a sob song about how his true love in life, which is not his actual wife, died and how he realized how he's acted around here is so unacceptable and there are bigger things in life than being right on an internet forum and how he's changed. Well, that went well.
Now he's literally using the murder of 19 children to trigger people on an internet forum. He couldn't care less what his actual values (he has none) and beliefs are. He's just saying whatever he knows will get people fired up and get him all this attention that he so desperately needs online. I can't fathom being that sad of a human being.
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Just because I'm right leaning doesn't mean I buy the entire platform. I don't own a gun and frankly, probably never will. I will submit to you that, even with air tight gun laws, those with evil intentions will still find a way to obtain them. Frankly, there aren't many deterrents to committing these crimes. Body armor aside, the evil intended must know they will never survive an undertaking such as what happened in Texas. Even if they did, today's soft on crime judicial system, is not going to crack down on the obvious. Hopelessness and despair is difficult to overcome. As #24 used to say while commentating on the radio, "when you ain't got nothing, you've got nothing to lose," hey?