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Uncle Rico

Quote from: jesmu84 on November 18, 2024, 05:39:01 PMIs it legal to go over the snapper? Is it legal to push another d lineman?

Compelling argument by Eberflus if his goal is to look like a sore loser and trying to deflect his terrible end of game management
"Well, we're all going to die."

jesmu84

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2024, 05:40:34 PMCompelling argument by Eberflus if his goal is to look like a sore loser and trying to deflect his terrible end of game management

Is it legal to go over the snapper? Is it legal to push another d lineman

Uncle Rico

Quote from: jesmu84 on November 18, 2024, 05:39:01 PMIs it legal to go over the snapper? Is it legal to push another d lineman?

After 1 second, yes.  Also, the Packers didn't lineup over the long snapper and shot the gap, something they knew they could exploit.

In the post-game on The Score yesterday, Patrick Mannelley, Bears former long snapper said it was terrible effort by the long snapper and LG
"Well, we're all going to die."


jesmu84

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2024, 05:50:26 PMAfter 1 second, yes.  Also, the Packers didn't lineup over the long snapper and shot the gap, something they knew they could exploit.

In the post-game on The Score yesterday, Patrick Mannelley, Bears former long snapper said it was terrible effort by the long snapper and LG

Gotcha. Didn't know the rules, which is why I asked.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2024, 05:50:26 PMAfter 1 second, yes.  Also, the Packers didn't lineup over the long snapper and shot the gap, something they knew they could exploit.

In the post-game on The Score yesterday, Patrick Mannelley, Bears former long snapper said it was terrible effort by the long snapper and LG

Gotcha. Wasn't sure of the rules.

You won't see me defending Ebeflus

GB Warrior

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2024, 05:50:26 PMAfter 1 second, yes.  Also, the Packers didn't lineup over the long snapper and shot the gap, something they knew they could exploit.

In the post-game on The Score yesterday, Patrick Mannelley, Bears former long snapper said it was terrible effort by the long snapper and LG

Thought this was interesting:

https://www.footballzebras.com/2024/11/week-11-officiating-liveblog-2024/

No flag on Packers field goal block
Ben Austro Ben Austro

The Packers get a field goal block to preserve a win. But is this legal?The center goes down on the play, and we know that long snappers are considered defenseless players. This means that, until he has an opportunity to lift up and reset his posture, he may not be forcibly contacted in the head or neck area.


You have Packers lineman Karl Brooks (#94) working his way through the A gap and his thigh contacts the center in the head. This is incidental to him attempting to move through the gap, so we can't count this as forcible.



It looks like the Bears are attempting to use the long snapper's protection to get an extra advantage. The center doesn't lift his head right away and the left guard seems to time and angle his block so that Brooks is pushed slightly out of the gap and into the center. Were they trying to get an unnecessary roughness call out of this? While the center never re-rights himself, it is not because a Packers lineman crashed down on his head
.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: GB Warrior on November 18, 2024, 06:07:06 PMThought this was interesting:

https://www.footballzebras.com/2024/11/week-11-officiating-liveblog-2024/

No flag on Packers field goal block
Ben Austro Ben Austro

The Packers get a field goal block to preserve a win. But is this legal?The center goes down on the play, and we know that long snappers are considered defenseless players. This means that, until he has an opportunity to lift up and reset his posture, he may not be forcibly contacted in the head or neck area.


You have Packers lineman Karl Brooks (#94) working his way through the A gap and his thigh contacts the center in the head. This is incidental to him attempting to move through the gap, so we can't count this as forcible.



It looks like the Bears are attempting to use the long snapper's protection to get an extra advantage. The center doesn't lift his head right away and the left guard seems to time and angle his block so that Brooks is pushed slightly out of the gap and into the center. Were they trying to get an unnecessary roughness call out of this? While the center never re-rights himself, it is not because a Packers lineman crashed down on his head
.

I don't blame the Bears for crying foul.  Teams do this all the time and we rarely hear about it.  Most times, they don't announce it to the press.  Eberflus makes himself look worse, imo, but he's a dead man walking, so whatever
"Well, we're all going to die."

wadesworld

Quote from: GB Warrior on November 18, 2024, 06:07:06 PMThought this was interesting:

https://www.footballzebras.com/2024/11/week-11-officiating-liveblog-2024/

No flag on Packers field goal block
Ben Austro Ben Austro

The Packers get a field goal block to preserve a win. But is this legal?The center goes down on the play, and we know that long snappers are considered defenseless players. This means that, until he has an opportunity to lift up and reset his posture, he may not be forcibly contacted in the head or neck area.


You have Packers lineman Karl Brooks (#94) working his way through the A gap and his thigh contacts the center in the head. This is incidental to him attempting to move through the gap, so we can't count this as forcible.



It looks like the Bears are attempting to use the long snapper's protection to get an extra advantage. The center doesn't lift his head right away and the left guard seems to time and angle his block so that Brooks is pushed slightly out of the gap and into the center. Were they trying to get an unnecessary roughness call out of this? While the center never re-rights himself, it is not because a Packers lineman crashed down on his head
.

That's what it looked like to me, but I can't pretend I knew any rules so wasn't sure if it'd be legal anyway or not. Looked like Brooks got blocked in towards the center, and the center was extremely slow to make an attempt to help block.

jesmu84

#3808
Apparently a defensive player can contact the snapper after 1 second from the ball being snapped.

I'd argue it wasn't 1 second, but close.

Also, it is illegal on a kick for a defensive player to push another defensive player into the offensive formation.

#90 intentionally does this.

Edit: apparently the 1 second is a college rule, not NFL.

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst


The Sultan

Brock Starr must be crushed that he won't play in the home of the quarterback he's been compared with.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass


HutchwasClutch


Uncle Rico

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 23, 2024, 08:18:19 AMLoser organization doing what loser organizations do. 

It was a deflection by Eberflus to distract from his terrible game management.  Nothing more than that.
"Well, we're all going to die."

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

The Sultan

I'm a little scared. Brandon Bratkowski is not your typical back-up quarterback.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jockey

Haven't covered Kittle all day. Why start now?

Uncle Rico

"Well, we're all going to die."

GB Warrior

Oh look Christian Watson shrinking to the occasion

cheebs09

Not sure I like 3 deep balls. They were moving and could have gotten a FG.

GB Warrior

Nice job by Bisaccia making sure Deebo isn't on the field to start the 2nd

4everwarriors

#10 looks pretty pedestrian, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Uncle Rico

Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2024, 05:16:23 PM#10 looks pretty pedestrian, aina?

Yeah, should have kept Rodgers
"Well, we're all going to die."

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