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CTWarrior

Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 02, 2022, 11:13:45 PM
I thought he was going to get between $45 - $50 per. I certainly won't argue against his health concerns, I just don't think this is as bad as I thought it was going to be.
Why would you pay 1/5 to 1/6 of the salary cap figure for a guy who you cannot count on to be healthy, especially when healthy probably means only 175 innings or so (30 starts at a little less than 6 IP/per).

I think the biggest gambles this offseason are deGrom and Judge.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

MUBurrow

Quote from: CTWarrior on December 04, 2022, 07:48:53 AM
Why would you pay 1/5 to 1/6 of the salary cap figure for a guy who you cannot count on to be healthy, especially when healthy probably means only 175 innings or so (30 starts at a little less than 6 IP/per).

I think the biggest gambles this offseason are deGrom and Judge.

I agree that they are the biggest gambles becuase they'll have the biggest x longest contracts, but the cap isn't the cap for Texas, LAD, NYY, NYM, and Bos.  They'll dip in and out of the tax to reset the repeater penalties, but pay the tax more often than not. 

MU82

Fred McGriff was the only candidate chosen for induction by the contemporary HoF voting committee.

Bonds and Clemens weren't close.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Jockey

Quote from: MU82 on December 04, 2022, 08:56:45 PM
Fred McGriff was the only candidate chosen for induction by the contemporary HoF voting committee.

Bonds and Clemens weren't close.

He's a guy you don't think of as a HoF'er, but he had a very nice run of about 15 years or so.

CTWarrior

Quote from: MU82 on December 04, 2022, 08:56:45 PM
Fred McGriff was the only candidate chosen for induction by the contemporary HoF voting committee.

Bonds and Clemens weren't close.
This is what I thought would happen, though I didn't have a good feel for what would happen with Schilling.  It will be nice someday for HOF voting/discussions get back to what happened on the field, rather than steroids or personality issues.  McGriff is a borderline candidate, but he was better than a lot of guys already enshrined and I am glad he is in.

If Schilling just kept his mouth shut, I think he probably would have sneaked in on his last year on the writer's ballot. 
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: MU82 on December 04, 2022, 08:56:45 PM
Fred McGriff was the only candidate chosen for induction by the contemporary HoF voting committee.

Bonds and Clemens weren't close.

Tom Emanaki is more proud of this than his back to back to back AAU championships.

(Fŭck that garbage can drill, Tom, that's how I wrecked my rotator cuff, you prick.)

MU82

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Jockey

Huge upgrade for Mets signing Verlander over deGrom.

MU82

Quote from: Jockey on December 05, 2022, 12:28:40 PM
Huge upgrade for Mets signing Verlander over deGrom.

Both are outstanding when healthy, and I wouldn't dispute those who say deGrom at his best is the #1 starting pitcher in baseball.

But the Mets got to make a much shorter-term commitment to Verlander at far less total money. And if I had to bet on one being able to make more starts, including postseason, I'd bet on Verlander.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Jockey

Quote from: MU82 on December 05, 2022, 12:52:53 PM
Both are outstanding when healthy, and I wouldn't dispute those who say deGrom at his best is the #1 starting pitcher in baseball.

But the Mets got to make a much shorter-term commitment to Verlander at far less total money. And if I had to bet on one being able to make more starts, including postseason, I'd bet on Verlander.

Health is the reason it is such a big upgrade.

Cy Young winner vs. oft injured great pitcher who starts 12-14 games a year.

Pakuni

Trea Turner to the Fightin' Phils.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: CTWarrior on December 05, 2022, 06:52:21 AM
This is what I thought would happen, though I didn't have a good feel for what would happen with Schilling.  It will be nice someday for HOF voting/discussions get back to what happened on the field, rather than steroids or personality issues.  McGriff is a borderline candidate, but he was better than a lot of guys already enshrined and I am glad he is in.

If Schilling just kept his mouth shut, I think he probably would have sneaked in on his last year on the writer's ballot.

100% agree on both McGriff and Schilling.

The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

jficke13


JWags85

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 05, 2022, 08:54:33 AM
Tom Emanaki is more proud of this than his back to back to back AAU championships.

(Fŭck that garbage can drill, Tom, that's how I wrecked my rotator cuff, you prick.)

Have we been told if McGriff's HOF bust will have his hat perched bizarrely high on his head?

The Sultan

Quote from: jficke13 on December 06, 2022, 06:28:19 AM
Yikes. His third.

He's dedicated! You don't half-ass things in St. Louis.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Lennys Tap



MUfan12


🏀

Have some empathy, the guy has to spend 70% of his year in St. Louis.

The Sultan

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 06, 2022, 09:28:34 AM
Act like you've been there before, hey?

OK, this made me laugh.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Dish

Quote from: DegenerateDish on November 29, 2022, 07:24:40 PM
The real winner here is Josh Bell, he's probably now looking at a 3 year $55M deal from someone (Cleveland?).

Yup.

Jockey

The real, real winner is Andrew Heaney. He will probably make more $$$ per start than Verlander.

Dish

Arson Jusge to the Giants is the flaming hot rumor.

Jockey

Why do the Cubs want Bellinger? Jason Heyward is a better hitter and is cheaper.

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