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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: DegenerateDish on November 28, 2021, 09:59:42 PM
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Figured I’d get this started on a wild day in MLB free agency that may end with Scherzer taking 3/120 from the Mets.
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Do the Mets think they'll get the MLBPA to take a lesser deal if Scherzer (an executive committee rep) hits it big?
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At least the MLBPA can't accuse the owners of collusion this time.
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How do you get one of those reputations like Eppler or Dombrowksi where you just get to come in after "rebuilds" and spend like a drunken sailor? Sweet gigs.
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A billion bucks for a 50-year-old pitcher who couldn’t help his team in the NLCS because his arm was dead.
Sounds like it’s time for the owners to cry poor again.
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The city of Detroit just got a whole lot more exciting.
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The city of Detroit just got a whole lot more exciting.
Yep ... it's now the taggiest, slidiest town in all of MLB!
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I am pleased. I thought Correa could have gotten them to 88 wins. I think a healthy Baez and continued progress with their youth gets them to 83 ish
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That Baez contract is awful, that's the worst signing by any team this offseason thus far. The Tigers are drunk with the bad contracts they've been handing out.
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All the contracts are awful. The Tigers were down to Cabrera's Almost everybody else was very reasonable. So, setting that aside....
Detroit went 77-85 last year with a 3-18 streak in late April into May. They started at least 5 guys at shortstop that I can remember without research. They started 5 different catchers that I can remember without research. They had a cobbled together rotation with a few rookies in innings restrictions.
So they have gotten a starting catcher, a starting shortstop, and a quality, innings eating lefty. Their shopping list may include another durable starter, but that is it. If Hinch can continue to bring along the young guys and the team stays healthy-ish, I can easily see 83-85 wins. And Avila has done a nice job of restocking the farm system after Dombrowski stripped it.
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Might be a bad deal but I knew Baez would get more than $20MM+.
That Seager deal is absolutely monstrous. But that’s what the Rangers do. Good thing he got his ring so now he’ll go make a fortune playing on mediocre teams in Arlington as seems to be their MO
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It is the market rate.
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All the contracts are awful. The Tigers were down to Cabrera's Almost everybody else was very reasonable. So, setting that aside....
Detroit went 77-85 last year with a 3-18 streak in late April into May. They started at least 5 guys at shortstop that I can remember without research. They started 5 different catchers that I can remember without research. They had a cobbled together rotation with a few rookies in innings restrictions.
So they have gotten a starting catcher, a starting shortstop, and a quality, innings eating lefty. Their shopping list may include another durable starter, but that is it. If Hinch can continue to bring along the young guys and the team stays healthy-ish, I can easily see 83-85 wins. And Avila has done a nice job of restocking the farm system after Dombrowski stripped it.
Sounds like you need to borrow some excellent research reports from 9-9-9!
Seriously, I find myself rooting for the Tigers. All Detroit teams have been down for so long, and they have good fans who deserve more.
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Not MLB related, but if you have a kid that plays baseball, kids are wearing their jerseys to school on Friday, Dec 3rd, to honor Jackson Sparks, the 8 year old that was killed in Waukesha. He and his brother played for the Waukesha Blazers, a community based club. Please help spread the word in the baseball community.
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Marcus Stroman to the Cubs. Rumors around 5 years in the $110-120MM range. Not sure what the Cubs vision is but I like Stroman a lot. Came off a really nice year where he got very little support in his starts and was unlucky.
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Marcus Stroman to the Cubs. Rumors around 5 years in the $110-120MM range. Not sure what the Cubs vision is but I like Stroman a lot. Came off a really nice year where he got very little support in his starts and was unlucky.
Nothing wrong with Stroman but that would make his deal richer than Ray’s and Gausman’s which surprises me a bit. But Stroman has a good chance for better returns on that investment in the back half of the deal.
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Nothing wrong with Stroman but that would make his deal richer than Ray’s and Gausman’s which surprises me a bit. But Stroman has a good chance for better returns on that investment in the back half of the deal.
I’d imagine it’s probably right equal or in line with them. Which seems about right. They had a bit more accolades in 2021 than Stroman but I think he’s pretty comparable
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Marcus Stroman to the Cubs. Rumors around 5 years in the $110-120MM range. Not sure what the Cubs vision is but I like Stroman a lot. Came off a really nice year where he got very little support in his starts and was unlucky.
Agree. I like Stroman the best of the trio.
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Marcus Stroman to the Cubs. Rumors around 5 years in the $110-120MM range. Not sure what the Cubs vision is but I like Stroman a lot. Came off a really nice year where he got very little support in his starts and was unlucky.
He's a very good fit for Wrigley too. This is a good signing for them if the value is what you've cited.
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Thank you, Red Sox?
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Thank you, Red Sox?
The prospects aren't nothing, but it opens up $2MM this year, and if Renfroe has another good year the Brewers should have to pay him about what they would have had to pay JBJ not to play for them.
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The prospects aren't nothing, but it opens up $2MM this year, and if Renfroe has another good year the Brewers should have to pay him about what they would have had to pay JBJ not to play for them.
Agreed, seemed like a very reasonable trade for both sides. Buying the two decent prospects for the cost of Bradley makes sense. Renfroe should do well in Milwaukee at a reasonable price in 2022, and then we’ll see if they tender him in 2023 knowing it’ll cost above $10 mil.
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The MLB lockout took effect a few minutes ago
...but somehow this thread is not locked too
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Going to AZ in March with my brother and hoping to catch a couple of ST exhibitions, so we'll see if this thing is settled by then. History suggests probably not.
Our trip isn't built around ST, though, so that's good.
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I’d imagine it’s probably right equal or in line with them. Which seems about right. They had a bit more accolades in 2021 than Stroman but I think he’s pretty comparable
Hahah, I like how the Cy Young is a bit more accolades. Haha. Its pretty funny, he is comparable in that he isn't really comparable at all, at least to Ray.
Stroman for the most part is pretty consistent. He isn't going to K a bunch of guys or BB a bunch of guys, but he is going to give you good innings and a pretty good ERA and a chance to win most of the games he pitches.
Ray gives you a much higher ceiling as a pitcher. He clearly has the stuff to dominate (as evidenced by winning a Cy Young pitching for the Blue Jays). But he can also be terrible. He is going to strike out a ton more guys, and walk a ton more guys. If he is the guy he was last year then his deal is a great deal. If he is the guy he was in 2020, its a terrible deal. If he is the guy he was in 2019, its an overpay, but not quite hideous.
So in the end, its funny that they are a bit comparable, because their results are so completely different.
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Agreed, seemed like a very reasonable trade for both sides. Buying the two decent prospects for the cost of Bradley makes sense. Renfroe should do well in Milwaukee at a reasonable price in 2022, and then we’ll see if they tender him in 2023 knowing it’ll cost above $10 mil.
Sweet deal for JBJ too. He gets his contract and gets to go back to where he'd rather be anyway. I wonder if the Sox think they can probably get a little more out of him than the Brewers did. Heck, if he has his typical 3 week Willie Mays run like he's had every season except for 2021, his overall numbers wouldn't look so bad.
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Hahah, I like how the Cy Young is a bit more accolades. Haha. Its pretty funny, he is comparable in that he isn't really comparable at all, at least to Ray.
Stroman for the most part is pretty consistent. He isn't going to K a bunch of guys or BB a bunch of guys, but he is going to give you good innings and a pretty good ERA and a chance to win most of the games he pitches.
Ray gives you a much higher ceiling as a pitcher. He clearly has the stuff to dominate (as evidenced by winning a Cy Young pitching for the Blue Jays). But he can also be terrible. He is going to strike out a ton more guys, and walk a ton more guys. If he is the guy he was last year then his deal is a great deal. If he is the guy he was in 2020, its a terrible deal. If he is the guy he was in 2019, its an overpay, but not quite hideous.
So in the end, its funny that they are a bit comparable, because their results are so completely different.
I meant a bit collectively cause Gausman was an All Star. But Stroman had a better season in 2021 than when he was an All Star a few years back as well as when he finished in the top 10 for the Cy Young.
Stroman has a career WAR of 18.1 and a WHIP of 1.26, only 1 season of a WAR under 1.5 since he became a regular starter.
Ray has a career WAR of 15.1, a WHIP of 1.32, and literally 2 seasons OVER 1.5 WAR, 2021 and 2017.
Stroman has had a better overall career by those metrics and arguably more potential for consistent production over a 5 year period. Ray had a really good 2021 but he wasn't some unreal world beater.
Gausman for comparison, 16.9 WAR, 1.29 WHIP.
None of these guys are a DeGrom, Kershaw, Verlander, Scherzer type. But I think they all project pretty similarly over a 5 year span. Its not like Ray was knocking on the door of Cy Young's before he finally got through. It was kind of out of nowhere.
Interestingly, none of the 3 have had any post season experience since their early-mid 20s.
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Sweet deal for JBJ too. He gets his contract and gets to go back to where he'd rather be anyway. I wonder if the Sox think they can probably get a little more out of him than the Brewers did. Heck, if he has his typical 3 week Willie Mays run like he's had every season except for 2021, his overall numbers wouldn't look so bad.
Totally agree with you, JBJ probably will feel a sense of "going home" back to Boston. He's not going to be an All Star, but you're right, the Red Sox most likely value JBJ more than any other team would because they know him.
I think it's a great deal for the Brewers too. Renfroe is exactly the type of player from a production/salary standpoint that fits what they need. I'd rather pay Renfroe $7.5 - $8 mil (whatever final number he'll get in arb) than Avi Garcia at $12 mil (or if they would have given Garcia the QO).
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Totally agree with you, JBJ probably will feel a sense of "going home" back to Boston. He's not going to be an All Star, but you're right, the Red Sox most likely value JBJ more than any other team would because they know him.
I think it's a great deal for the Brewers too. Renfroe is exactly the type of player from a production/salary standpoint that fits what they need. I'd rather pay Renfroe $7.5 - $8 mil (whatever final number he'll get in arb) than Avi Garcia at $12 mil (or if they would have given Garcia the QO).
This is a win all around. The Brewers realistically saved money from Avi for an equal or better player and dumped JBJs salary. The prospects had a plus skill or two, but either had real question marks, wouldn't help in the near future, or were blocked by other prospects.
Would like to say that the $10M or so that they save could get them another bat, but think it's more likely that growth comes within given the arbitration deals they need to afford.
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I meant a bit collectively cause Gausman was an All Star. But Stroman had a better season in 2021 than when he was an All Star a few years back as well as when he finished in the top 10 for the Cy Young.
Stroman has a career WAR of 18.1 and a WHIP of 1.26, only 1 season of a WAR under 1.5 since he became a regular starter.
Ray has a career WAR of 15.1, a WHIP of 1.32, and literally 2 seasons OVER 1.5 WAR, 2021 and 2017.
Stroman has had a better overall career by those metrics and arguably more potential for consistent production over a 5 year period. Ray had a really good 2021 but he wasn't some unreal world beater.
Gausman for comparison, 16.9 WAR, 1.29 WHIP.
None of these guys are a DeGrom, Kershaw, Verlander, Scherzer type. But I think they all project pretty similarly over a 5 year span. Its not like Ray was knocking on the door of Cy Young's before he finally got through. It was kind of out of nowhere.
Interestingly, none of the 3 have had any post season experience since their early-mid 20s.
Yeah, I pretty much agree, which is why I said Stroman is more consistent. He has clearly been better than Ray over his career to this point. But what Ray did last season was next level. If he keeps that up, he could really our perform his contract, and Stroman.
Of the three, Stroman would have been the last one I wanted, but I also think he is the most likely to deliver what you expect.
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Yeah, I pretty much agree, which is why I said Stroman is more consistent. He has clearly been better than Ray over his career to this point. But what Ray did last season was next level. If he keeps that up, he could really our perform his contract, and Stroman.
Of the three, Stroman would have been the last one I wanted, but I also think he is the most likely to deliver what you expect.
Thats fair. I just don't see any trend or history to support that with Ray. But we'll see.
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The prospects aren't nothing, but it opens up $2MM this year, and if Renfroe has another good year the Brewers should have to pay him about what they would have had to pay JBJ not to play for them.
As a Red Sox fan, don't love or hate this move. It was basically buying the two prospects the same way they bought Ottavino last year to get a prospect. Not much of a fan of either MLB players right now. Renfroe has an excellent arm but is otherwise a below average outfielder and he is streaky hitter that goes into long slumps. Having JBJ back allows the Red Sox to move Hernandez back to second and maybe pick up an outfield bat (Schwarber?) for next season. But that only helps if JBJ can hit at least like a 2nd baseman, and at this point that doesn't seem likely.
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Rob Manfred being the same jerk that he always is.
Within minutes of the lockout, all player likenesses were removed from all MLB sites.
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A 7 minute meeting?
No way this season starts before May.
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Thats fair. I just don't see any trend or history to support that with Ray. But we'll see.
Well the history clearly isn't there. If it was he would have gotten 300 million. The big difference in him last year was control. He averaged 2.4 bb/9 after averaging almost 8 last season (and over 4 for his career - if you leave out 20 and 21 -- and 3.9 if you include them.) The most concerning thing about him last year is that he had an abnormally high strand %. Other than that, most of his numbers were pretty much in line with the rest of his career.
It really comes down to control. If he can limit his BBs to 2-3 per 9, he will be incredible effective. If he can't, then he will struggle. I didn't look into his strike %, chase rates, etc, because it isn't worth the time. His strand rate will get worse, it has to, and that will likely lead to more runs. But K's can cover a lot of warts too. And he has always gotten plenty of those.
In the seasons where he has had a BB/9 under 4 (still pretty high) he has been over a 3 WAR player (by both fangraphs and bbref). That's the roll of the dice on him.
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Rob Manfred being the same jerk that he always is.
Within minutes of the lockout, all player likenesses were removed from all MLB sites.
I think its because in the absence of a CBA, they aren't allow to use their likeness. But regardless, this is really such a non-issue.
A 7 minute meeting?
No way this season starts before May.
It's just posturing. Nothing is going to happen without deadlines.
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Rob Manfred being the same jerk that he always is.
Within minutes of the lockout, all player likenesses were removed from all MLB sites.
MLB is legally obligated to remove the images in the absence of a CBA. But just read the headline.
Now, they players that are changing their socials to have just a grey silhouette are funny.
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The MLB website is very funny to me.
Editor: "Can you write me something evergreen?"
Writer: "Here you go - when do you think it'll run?"
Editor: "..."
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The old-folks committee just put a bunch of guys in the Hall of Fame ...
Six candidates earned election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Sunday via the Eras Committee process, it was announced today on MLB Network.
Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Minnie Miñoso and Tony Oliva were elected by the Golden Days Era Committee, which considered a 10-person ballot comprised of candidates whose primary contribution to the game came from 1950-69.
Bud Fowler and Buck O’Neil were elected by the Early Baseball Era Committee, which considered a 10-person ballot of candidates whose primary contribution the game came prior to 1950.
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Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Minnie Miñoso and Tony Oliva were elected by the Golden Days Era Committee, which considered a 10-person ballot comprised of candidates whose primary contribution to the game came from 1950-69.
I'd take Dick Allen before any of those four - and it wouldn't even be close. 22nd all time OPS+ ahead of guys like Aaron, Mays, Robinson, DiMaggio, and Thomas.
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The old-folks committee just put a bunch of guys in the Hall of Fame ...
Six candidates earned election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Sunday via the Eras Committee process, it was announced today on MLB Network.
Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Minnie Miñoso and Tony Oliva were elected by the Golden Days Era Committee, which considered a 10-person ballot comprised of candidates whose primary contribution to the game came from 1950-69.
Bud Fowler and Buck O’Neil were elected by the Early Baseball Era Committee, which considered a 10-person ballot of candidates whose primary contribution the game came prior to 1950.
Saturnino Orestes (Minnie) Minoso was my favorite player growing up. I wore #9 at every opportunity in all sports because of him.
I was out of college and not quite as star struck when Dick Allen (who came up 1 vote short) joined the Sox - but he remains #2 on my all time list.
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The old-folks committee just put a bunch of guys in the Hall of Fame ...
Six candidates earned election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Sunday via the Eras Committee process, it was announced today on MLB Network.
Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Minnie Miñoso and Tony Oliva were elected by the Golden Days Era Committee, which considered a 10-person ballot comprised of candidates whose primary contribution to the game came from 1950-69.
Bud Fowler and Buck O’Neil were elected by the Early Baseball Era Committee, which considered a 10-person ballot of candidates whose primary contribution the game came prior to 1950.
I was rooting for Minoso, Allen and O'Neil.
Hodges and O'Neil are of an interesting type that doesn't get recognized by the Hall too much. Guys who were very good but not quite Hall of Fame players who made other contributions (manager of the 69 Mets for Hodges, Negro Leagues Manager, first black MLB coach and scout and all-around ambassador for the game for O'Neil). I was rooting for O'Neil just because of Ken Burns documentary and everything I've read about him. He seems to be a genuinely wonderful guy.
It is just terrible that Minoso and O'Neil, who lived to be 89 and 95, respectively, got elected after they passed away and couldn't enjoy their election. Minoso missed a few MLB seasons on the front end of his career due to segregation and that may have cost him an earlier election.
Happy for Kaat and Oliva that they will get to enjoy being HOFers while still here on Earth. Both border line guys (Oliva because of shortened career due to knees and Kaat being more of a complier than a great pitcher in his peak), but not bad selections and I am happy for them.
Allen was hurt by playing in a pitcher dominated era that make his numbers look less impressive than they actually were, coupled with a relatively short career. I thought for sure he was going in this year.
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I was rooting for Minoso, Allen and O'Neil.
Hodges and O'Neil are of an interesting type that doesn't get recognized by the Hall too much. Guys who were very good but not quite Hall of Fame players who made other contributions (manager of the 69 Mets for Hodges, Negro Leagues Manager, first black MLB coach and scout and all-around ambassador for the game for O'Neil). I was rooting for O'Neil just because of Ken Burns documentary and everything I've read about him. He seems to be a genuinely wonderful guy.
It is just terrible that Minoso and O'Neil, who lived to be 89 and 95, respectively, got elected after they passed away and couldn't enjoy their election. Minoso missed a few MLB seasons on the front end of his career due to segregation and that may have cost him an earlier election.
Happy for Kaat and Oliva that they will get to enjoy being HOFers while still here on Earth. Both border line guys (Oliva because of shortened career due to knees and Kaat being more of a complier than a great pitcher in his peak), but not bad selections and I am happy for them.
Allen was hurt by playing in a pitcher dominated era that make his numbers look less impressive than they actually were, coupled with a relatively short career. I thought for sure he was going in this year.
Buck O'neill was fantastic in the Ken Burns series.
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I think its because in the absence of a CBA, they aren't allow to use their likeness. But regardless, this is really such a non-issue.
It's just posturing. Nothing is going to happen without deadlines.
The players have been scrubbed from the league’s website and content ecosystem. Their headshots were removed from rosters, their highlights hidden, their names wiped from promotional schedules. Team social media accounts quieted and ceased referencing players at all; MLB Network and MLB.com employees were instructed to mostly avoid mentioning active 40-man players’ names on air or in articles for the duration of the lockout.
You're absolutely right that it is posturing - but, it is just dumb. Eventually their product will be back on the field and they are going to want fans to care - even if those in Manfred's office don't.
I think this highlights the way the Commissioner's has changed over the years (mostly driven by Bud Selig). Whereas the Office used to be concerned about the "good/integrity of the game", it is now just the owner's labor negotiator and little else other than the punishment arm of the league.
https://theathletic.com/3002495/2021/12/07/on-mlb-owned-media-the-players-now-barely-exist-whats-behind-that-decision/
From the article:
"In maintaining their stance, MLB will try not to use players’ names or likenesses for promotional or commercial purposes during the lockout, the league said. Yet, as of Monday, MLB continued to sell player jerseys, with player names and numbers, through its websites."
They call it principle. They are lying - it is merely $$$$$.
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They can’t use the player’s likenesses in the absence of a CBA.
And as for the commissioner being an extension of the owners. I mean…no sh*t. That’s been the case for decades. They hired him.
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Buck O'neill was fantastic in the Ken Burns series.
I always enjoyed his story about seeing Babe Ruth hit a ball and hearing a special unique sound, and then hearing that same sound when he saw Josh Gibson, and then not hearing that sound again for many many years until he saw Bo Jackson.
If you ever saw about Jackson play baseball live and in person, you knew exactly what he was talking about. Not to mention Jackson's skills defensivly -greatest arm i ever saw.
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Manfred hates baseball, exhibit 382:
https://twitter.com/AndrewMarchand/status/1478141889765421057?t=xeUGsos5LKklXVFPeEhlPw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/AndrewMarchand/status/1478141889765421057?t=xeUGsos5LKklXVFPeEhlPw&s=19)
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Manfred hates baseball, exhibit 382:
https://twitter.com/AndrewMarchand/status/1478141889765421057?t=xeUGsos5LKklXVFPeEhlPw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/AndrewMarchand/status/1478141889765421057?t=xeUGsos5LKklXVFPeEhlPw&s=19)
Maybe he just hates bow ties
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Jon Lester, a real good pitcher with some Hall bonafides, officially retires.
https://theathletic.com/news/former-cubs-red-sox-pitcher-jon-lester-retires-with-200-wins-3-world-series-rings/hJFtIofIJeQl/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
Jon Lester, a three-time World Series champion with the Cubs and Red Sox, a 200-game winner and one of the best free-agent signings in Chicago sports history, announced his retirement Wednesday on ESPN.com.
Known for his consistency and composure in the biggest games and biggest markets, Lester made 30-plus starts in 12 consecutive seasons between 2008 and 2019. Lester posted a 2.51 ERA in 154 career postseason innings, cementing his reputation as one of the best big-game pitchers from his era and making a case for serious Hall of Fame consideration.
Lester, who turned 38 last week, had signaled that the 2021 season would very likely be his last in the majors. Winning his 200th game — in a Cardinals uniform after a midseason trade from the Nationals — checked off one of his career goals.
“It’s kind of run its course,” Lester told ESPN’s Jesse Rogers. “It’s getting harder for me physically. The little things that come up throughout the year turned into bigger things that hinder your performance.
“I’d like to think I’m a halfway decent self-evaluator. I don’t want someone else telling me I can’t do this anymore. I want to be able to hand my jersey over and say, ‘Thank you, it’s been fun.’ That's probably the biggest deciding factor.”
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Buck O'neill was fantastic in the Ken Burns series.
Ah Ken Burns' series "Baseball, which only exists in New York City and maybe Boston and begrudgingly LA and San Francisco but only for purposes of examining how it affected baseball in New York City."
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Jon Lester, a real good pitcher with some Hall bonafides, officially retires.
https://theathletic.com/news/former-cubs-red-sox-pitcher-jon-lester-retires-with-200-wins-3-world-series-rings/hJFtIofIJeQl/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
Jon Lester, a three-time World Series champion with the Cubs and Red Sox, a 200-game winner and one of the best free-agent signings in Chicago sports history, announced his retirement Wednesday on ESPN.com.
Known for his consistency and composure in the biggest games and biggest markets, Lester made 30-plus starts in 12 consecutive seasons between 2008 and 2019. Lester posted a 2.51 ERA in 154 career postseason innings, cementing his reputation as one of the best big-game pitchers from his era and making a case for serious Hall of Fame consideration.
Lester, who turned 38 last week, had signaled that the 2021 season would very likely be his last in the majors. Winning his 200th game — in a Cardinals uniform after a midseason trade from the Nationals — checked off one of his career goals.
“It’s kind of run its course,” Lester told ESPN’s Jesse Rogers. “It’s getting harder for me physically. The little things that come up throughout the year turned into bigger things that hinder your performance.
“I’d like to think I’m a halfway decent self-evaluator. I don’t want someone else telling me I can’t do this anymore. I want to be able to hand my jersey over and say, ‘Thank you, it’s been fun.’ That's probably the biggest deciding factor.”
Sew kin, yea orr nay on da Hall, hey?
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Also the lockout is leading to funny/sad promotional nonsense. The Brewers blasted out their calendar of bobblehead giveaways, listing after each date "Player Bobblehead."
So, so dumb.
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Also the lockout is leading to funny/sad promotional nonsense. The Brewers blasted out their calendar of bobblehead giveaways, listing after each date "Player Bobblehead."
So, so dumb.
Brewers also post about the first thing you'd say when you get back to AmFam field.
About 85% of the responses mentioned Miller Park. Free marketing for Miller Brewing. 🤣
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Also the lockout is leading to funny/sad promotional nonsense. The Brewers blasted out their calendar of bobblehead giveaways, listing after each date "Player Bobblehead."
So, so dumb.
I want a 'blank avatar' bobblehead!
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Sew kin, yea orr nay on da Hall, hey?
Borderline case. Probably not right away, but maybe down the line. Postseason success will be a big draw for some voters.
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Sew kin, yea orr nay on da Hall, hey?
Nay
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Borderline case. Probably not right away, but maybe down the line. Postseason success will be a big draw for some voters.
Agreed. Love Lester. Good dude, tide turning signing for the Cubs and critical component to that title, but he’s very much Hall of Very Good for me.
Workhorse, really reliable in the playoffs on multiple teams, big game pitcher, but I don’t know if there was ever a sustained period where he was a top 5 or top 8 pitcher year after year
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Borderline case. Probably not right away, but maybe down the line. Postseason success will be a big draw for some voters.
He was as good as Jack Morris, so he probably will get in. Although neither should be members.
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He was as good as Jack Morris, so he probably will get in. Although neither should be members.
Idk, Jack Morris lead MLB in wins twice and SOs once. Lester only led the NL in wins once.
Morris also finished top 5 in the Cy Young 5 times to Lester’s 3. Not including a couple other top 10s.
I don’t think either should be in personally but I’d still give Morris the nod
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Idk, Jack Morris lead MLB in wins twice and SOs once. Lester only led the NL in wins once.
Morris also finished top 5 in the Cy Young 5 times to Lester’s 3. Not including a couple other top 10s.
I don’t think either should be in personally but I’d still give Morris the nod
Do people still care about a stat so meaningless you could receive a W after giving up 9 runs, and recirve an L after going 8 innings and losing 1-0?
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Hall of Very Good
The trend these days is that a very good but not great player gets rejected by the voters but then either gets a push late in the process (his last or next-to-last year on the ballot) or is handed the keys to the Hall by a sympathetic old-timers committee.
So I'd say he has a shot, one way or the other.
I'd put Schilling in 10 times out of 10 over Lester, and I'd give Morris an edge too. Maybe even Buehrle.
But Lester was an important contributor to two franchises who desperately needed a pitcher like him, a guy who came through in the clutch, and a guy who had some very good numbers. He's borderline, but he has a chance.
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Do people still care about a stat so meaningless you could receive a W after giving up 9 runs, and recirve an L after going 8 innings and losing 1-0?
In reality, no. In the HOF that loves counting stats and things like that, yes. That’s the only reason I mentioned it
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Guys, he's a hall of famer because of who's in the hall already. He passes 4 of the 5 HOF tests on BR. Add in his performances getting two historical franchises world series titles, that will be the icing on the cake.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lestejo01.shtml
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Do people still care about a stat so meaningless you could receive a W after giving up 9 runs, and recirve an L after going 8 innings and losing 1-0?
This is a terrible point in this case. Morris threw over 1k innings more than Lester did, and averaged about 1 ip more per start. Putting Morris much more in control of his own record. The better the pitcher the more relevant wins is as a stat. Because they are probably going deeper into games and more in control of their own fate. It isn't perfect and it isn't the best stat to gauge a pitchers effectiveness, but in conjunction with other stats it still tells a story. Especially when Morris was pitching. It gets less relevant with each year now because of how pitchers are used and how pitching staffs are built.
And beyond that, looking at leading the league is not the same as looking at a straight total. Even now, if you look at the guy the lead the league in wins, it is usually an accomplishment that is reserved for some of the best pitchers in the game. Can a guy get a couple fluke wins here and there, sure. But to lead the league is typically a guy that had a pretty darn strong season. And there aren't really any flukey guys that lead the league in wins multiple times.
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It's hardly a terrible point. Regardless of how many innings someone pitched, you aren't in control of what happens in the other half of the inning.
Wins is absolutely meaningless as a stat. IP shows you stamina. ERA shows you effectiveness. And you can dive into even more advanced stats if you want to drill those down even more. But no serious person should be using Wins to justify anything with regards to the Hall of Fame.
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Also, you may be surprised to learn, that the percentage of players making the HOF has been steadily declining, and is now smaller than ever. So the whole "the HOF is watered down stuff" is just perception. People tend to compare HOF players to like the best players in the HOF. Every one is compared to Willie Mays and Sandy Kofax.
A little bit of an older article, but still as true.
https://tht.fangraphs.com/a-hall-of-stats-shows-a-haul-of-omissions/
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In 2017, Jacob DeGrom posted a career high 15 wins. He also posted a career worst 3.53 ERA (only 1 other season above 3, 3.04 in 2016).
Wins is a meaningless stat.
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Boy people just see the word wins and fly off the handle, eh? Oh well. Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough in what I was trying to say. Let me try again.
I never said Morris should be in because of his win total. I never said that Lester shouldn't be in because of his. Or that the discrepancy should play any role.
It isn't a good comparison for Lester and Morris. They pitched in drastically different eras when it comes to starting pitchers.
Is wins relevant for a guy that started his career in 2010? No, it probably isn't. Does it matter for a guy that pitched in the 60s? Yeah. The 90s? Yeah.
I do think that leading the league is still an accomplishment worthy of recognition. Even now. Yeah you can have a fluke year where a Jason Vargas or Gio Gonzalez is the league leader. But for the most part, it is the best pitchers in the game that are towards the top. Especially multiple times. Can good pitchers still be on bad teams like deGrom? Like Felix? Yeah of course. No one is advocating for win total as the top metric to determine a HOF career, or even a good career.
Look at the wins leaders for the 90s. Its mostly the best pitchers of the 90s. Lots of Maddux, Glavine, Clemens. Same for the 80s, and 70s and 60s, if not moreso.
While Wins itself may not be a great metric, leading the league, says something, and usually a lot, about the quality of the season the pitcher had.
I would still say going deeper into games gives a better representation of Ws and Ls, but whatever, that isn't really the point I was trying to make.
Maybe you disagree and anything with Wins is trash. Cool. I tend to think it used to mean more than it does now. Much like K's, WHIP, ERA, and IP it tells a part of the story that is useless on its own.
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No I understood you perfectly. Wins, regardless of the era, are a bad stat.
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Look at the wins leaders for the 90s. Its mostly the best pitchers of the 90s. Lots of Maddux, Glavine, Clemens. Same for the 80s, and 70s and 60s, if not moreso.
I think this is what people are saying. Wins was a very big deal back in the 60s, 70s, 80s. SPs were expected to pitch 250-300 innings.
That's not the case anymore. When SPs are only pitching 5-6 innings, the bullpen/offense may have a larger responsibility for who gets the win than the SP.
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I guess I just don't see the point in paying attention to a stat that, at best, is *potentially correlative* of the conclusion you want to draw. I especially don't see the point to doing so when everyone agrees about it's lack of descriptive value. AND especially when there are plenty of readily accessible and pretty easy to understand other metrics to use instead.
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Also, you may be surprised to learn, that the percentage of players making the HOF has been steadily declining, and is now smaller than ever. So the whole "the HOF is watered down stuff" is just perception. People tend to compare HOF players to like the best players in the HOF. Every one is compared to Willie Mays and Sandy Kofax.
A little bit of an older article, but still as true.
https://tht.fangraphs.com/a-hall-of-stats-shows-a-haul-of-omissions/
How much of that is not voting for suspected steroid users?
I think wins were used back in the 60s because it was an easy stat to count and keep track of. Just because people valued it back then doesn’t mean it was any more useful.
You could still have a great pitcher on a woeful offense or unlucky. It doesn’t change the fact that wins are as dependent on your offense just because you pitch an inning or two more.
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I guess I just don't see the point in paying attention to a stat that, at best, is *potentially correlative* of the conclusion you want to draw. I especially don't see the point to doing so when everyone agrees about it's lack of descriptive value. AND especially when there are plenty of readily accessible and pretty easy to understand other metrics to use instead.
I completely agree. The days are long gone when ‘wins’ mattered. SPs don’t get 20, 25, 30 complete games like they did 50 years ago.
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I was looking at the BR page wondering what cap Lester might wear if he does get in -- he started about 3/4 as many games in Chicago as he did in Boston (171 to 241.) Interestingly, he had the exact same ERA for both, 3.64. Definitely a better pitcher overall for Boston, though.
Then again, the exact same win/loss % for each team (.636), which is what really matters here.
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I was looking at the BR page wondering what cap Lester might wear if he does get in -- he started about 3/4 as many games in Chicago as he did in Boston (171 to 241.) Interestingly, he had the exact same ERA for both, 3.64. Definitely a better pitcher overall for Boston, though.
Then again, the exact same win/loss % for each team (.636), which is what really matters here.
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Tom Hardricourt, who has been with the MJS as a Brewers and baseball writer since 1986, announced his retirement today. That's a shame. Good writer with good information.
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Tom Hardricourt, who has been with the MJS as a Brewers and baseball writer since 1986, announced his retirement today. That's a shame. Good writer with good information.
He was very good covering the team and terrible dealing with fans on social media. He left Milwaukee for a year in the late 90’s or early 00’s and it stunk. Assume Rosiak is the lead guy now
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Haudricourt will be missed. I always liked hearing his insights on the local radio shows too.
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Tampa / Montreal Sister City idea officially squashed by MLB.
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Former Cub/Yankee/Brewer Sergio Mitre is a far worse person than he was a pitcher. And he was a very bad pitcher.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ex-mlb-pitcher-sergio-mitre-sentenced-to-prison-in-mexico-after-rape-murder-of-22-month-old-035517940.html
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New class of Hall of Fame inductees to be announced later today.
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New class of Hall of Fame inductees to be announced later today.
Will it be another year with no new members?
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Will it be another year with no new members?
Just guessing, of course ...
I have a feeling Ortiz will get in despite the steroid whispers, because the whispers are much more whispery for him than Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, et al. And Schilling has a real good chance despite all the extraneous BS; his situation is very similar to many others who moved up in the voting and then finally got in at the end.
Will be interesting to see the results, as it always is.
Edit:
This ballot tracker has Bonds and Clemens barely getting in, Ortiz getting in fairly easily and Schilling losing support. But it's only complete through fewer than 50% of the voters.
http://www.bbhoftracker.com/
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Ortiz is the only inductee, and even that was close.
Ortiz 77.9%
Bonds 66.0%
Clemens 65.2%
Schilling 58.6%
ARod 34.3%
Sosa 18.5%
Schilling, who wanted off the ballot ... I guess the electorate effectively said, "OK, you're off." He actually finished behind Rolen (63.2%), who is slowing moving up toward enshrinement.
https://bbwaa.com/22-hof/#votingtable
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MLB HOF voting is one of the dumbest things in sports.
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MLB HOF voting is one of the dumbest things in sports.
It’s funny, the “scandal” of people not voting for Rodgers for MVP or saying they wouldn’t vote AB into the HOF due to their character issues is huge news and kind of spicy for the NFL…but that would just be a yawn par for the course in MLB HOF voting
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Ortiz is the only inductee, and even that was close.
Ortiz 77.9%
Bonds 66.0%
Clemens 65.2%
Schilling 58.6%
ARod 34.3%
Sosa 18.5%
Schilling, who wanted off the ballot ... I guess the electorate effectively said, "OK, you're off." He actually finished behind Rolen (63.2%), who is slowing moving up toward enshrinement.
https://bbwaa.com/22-hof/#votingtable
What a freakin' joke. Ortiz is definitely a hall of famer, but if you're a voter for Ortiz who actually tested positive for steroids, you better vote for Bonds and Clemens who never did test positive and you better vote for A-Rod too who was better than Ortiz.
Schilling is a d-bag but a hall of famer too.
This from a Yankee fan
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Y'all know I'm just the messenger, right?
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What a freakin' joke. Ortiz is definitely a hall of famer, but if you're a voter for Ortiz who actually tested positive for steroids, you better vote for Bonds and Clemens who never did test positive and you better vote for A-Rod too who was better than Ortiz.
Schilling is a d-bag but a hall of famer too.
This from a Yankee fan
Yes it is a joke. When the criteria to get in is how nice you were to the reporters who cover the game, something is wrong with the process.
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Shut up and dribble, aina?
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Until Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Curt Schilling and the the steroid bunch are in the Hall of Fame, it's a joke.
Period.
How can you have a Hall of Fame without the all-time hits leader, all-time home runs leader and one of the best pitchers of all time?
Think about it.... Barry Bonds isn't in but Ted Freakin' Simmons is?
Pete Rose isn't in but Harmon Killebrew is? I loved the Killer but geez, you're suggesting he's a better baseball player than the consummate baseball player of his time?
Rose was one of the greatest ballplayers of all time. Deal with his gambling problems in is Hall presentation, but enshrine him.
Keeping Bonds, Schilling and the steroid bunch out is pretending it didn't happen. It's like pretending that Mark McGwire's and Sammy Sosa's steroid fueled home run race in the late 1990s didn't save baseball.
Idiots.
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Until Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Curt Schilling and the the steroid bunch are in the Hall of Fame, it's a joke.
Period.
How can you have a Hall of Fame without the all-time hits leader, all-time home runs leader and one of the best pitchers of all time?
Think about it.... Barry Bonds isn't in but Ted Freakin' Simmons is?
Pete Rose isn't in but Harmon Killebrew is? I loved the Killer but geez, you're suggesting he's a better baseball player than the consummate baseball player of his time?
Rose was one of the greatest ballplayers of all time. Deal with his gambling problems in is Hall presentation, but enshrine him.
Keeping Bonds, Schilling and the steroid bunch out is pretending it didn't happen. It's like pretending that Mark McGwire's and Sammy Sosa's steroid fueled home run race in the late 1990s didn't save baseball.
Idiots.
A fair argument. Perhaps a room specifically for those with asterisks?
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A fair argument. Perhaps a room specifically for those with asterisks?
If you're going to talk about the History of Baseball, you're going to have to talk about things people want to sweep under the rug. Starting with the Black Sox scandal, the segregation of Major League Baseball, the movement to deal with the exploitation of baseball players through the formation and growth of the MLBPA, the drug scandal of the 1980s (Keith "Cocaine Cowboy" Hernandez, are you listening?) and the steroids of the 1990s.
Gambling has been a periodic problem in baseball since its foundation.
You can run from this crap, but you can't hide.
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Somehow the Baseball Hall of Fame has survived for decades without Rose, the juicers and, for that matter, Shoeless Joe.
It will continue to do just fine. There will be those who think it's a "joke," and those who can't whip up the outrage about this stuff.
I agree that these ballplayers are an important part of baseball history, and if you visit the Hall you can see that their achievements are chronicled there. And the record book is the record book; their achievements are in there, too.
Now, whether or not they should be given the game's highest individual honor and enshrined in the Hall, that's a whole 'nother argument.
First, Rose wasn't on the ballot; voting for him simply wasn't an option. In every single MLB clubhouse, including the Reds clubhouse he ran, there hangs a sign stating that what he did was strictly forbidden and that the consequences would be severe. And he did it anyway. I have absolutely no problem with him not being given the game's greatest honor.
As for the juicers ... neither the Hall of Fame nor the BBWAA gives voters any guidelines about dealing with them. They leave the interpretation of Rule #5 up to each voter. Rule #5 reads: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.
So although about 2/3 of voters believed Bonds and Clemens should be enshrined, it wasn't really a very big leap for many voters to invoke the "integrity, sportsmanship, character" part of that and deny guys like Bonds and Clemens.
For the record, when I was a voter I did vote for them. Not on the first ballot because I wasn't gonna give them that, but I did vote for them.
I'd put them in, but I'm not outraged that they're not in. The Hall's still a cool place to visit, and baseball history is baseball history whether they're enshrined or not.
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Somehow the Baseball Hall of Fame has survived for decades without Rose, the juicers and, for that matter, Shoeless Joe.
It will continue to do just fine. There will be those who think it's a "joke," and those who can't whip up the outrage about this stuff.
I agree that these ballplayers are an important part of baseball history, and if you visit the Hall you can see that their achievements are chronicled there. And the record book is the record book; their achievements are in there, too.
Now, whether or not they should be given the game's highest individual honor and enshrined in the Hall, that's a whole 'nother argument.
First, Rose wasn't on the ballot; voting for him simply wasn't an option. In every single MLB clubhouse, including the Reds clubhouse he ran, there hangs a sign stating that what he did was strictly forbidden and that the consequences would be severe. And he did it anyway. I have absolutely no problem with him not being given the game's greatest honor.
As for the juicers ... neither the Hall of Fame nor the BBWAA gives voters any guidelines about dealing with them. They leave the interpretation of Rule #5 up to each voter. Rule #5 reads: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.
So although about 2/3 of voters believed Bonds and Clemens should be enshrined, it wasn't really a very big leap for many voters to invoke the "integrity, sportsmanship, character" part of that and deny guys like Bonds and Clemens.
For the record, when I was a voter I did vote for them. Not on the first ballot because I wasn't gonna give them that, but I did vote for them.
I'd put them in, but I'm not outraged that they're not in. The Hall's still a cool place to visit, and baseball history is baseball history whether they're enshrined or not.
Brother MU;
Outrage is a strong word for how I feel. Idiots and a joke probably fits better. Because I think someone is an idiot doesn't mean I'm outraged by their actions.
In fact, I think enshrining Gil Hodges is about four decades overdue. Hell, he should have been enshrined in 1970 for what he did in 1969 with the New York Mets. I still think that's the greatest miracle in the history of baseball!
Hodges to me is an example of what I think will happen to Bonds, Clemens and the juicers. As the decades pass and the moral outrage subsides, I'm pretty confident a future veterans committee will enshrine the best of them. At some point, probably after the juicers are all dead, McGwire, Palmiero and Clemens all will be enshrined. Sosa: Probably not.
Rose is another story. The emotions are very raw and very enmeshed in the game and its observers. Some have argued that Fay Vincent's refusal to deal with ban for life is in part due to the belief that the Rose case put such stress on Bart Giamatti that it brought on his fatal heart attack. Who knows what ends up happening here, but I can't see Rose going in during his lifetime, or for at least another 75 years. That probably will be past Little Petey's lifetime too. I think you can have Rose in the Hall without idolizing his off-the-field activities. But I'm in the minority and while I've been advocating to my sports editor brother that Rose should be in, his opinion is far more prevalent than mine.
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Thanks for the discussion, dg. We could go on and on, and round and round on this, so I won't.
I guess I am curious as to why you think some old-times committee would enshrine McGwire and Palmeiro but probably not Sosa, whose stats are easily better than McGwire's and on a par with Palmeiro's.
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Thanks for the discussion, dg. We could go on and on, and round and round on this, so I won't.
I guess I am curious as to why you think some old-times committee would enshrine McGwire and Palmeiro but probably not Sosa, whose stats are easily better than McGwire's and on a par with Palmeiro's.
The real problem is that MLB looks the other way on certain players.
David Ortiz tested positive for a banned substance in 2003.
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Thanks for the discussion, dg. We could go on and on, and round and round on this, so I won't.
I guess I am curious as to why you think some old-times committee would enshrine McGwire and Palmeiro but probably not Sosa, whose stats are easily better than McGwire's and on a par with Palmeiro's.
Corked bat incident, atop his steroid use.
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Corked bat incident, atop his steroid use.
I agree that Sammy will never see the Hall. I don't think McGwire will, either, as he was the poster boy for blatant cheating and lying, and his stats pre-cheating were nowhere near Hall-worthy. It would take having the "right" people on a veterans committee for Bonds, Clemens and/or McGwire to get in because there's no love lost for juicers among current HoFers.
The interesting case going forward will be ARod. Theoretically it is the older voters who mostly aren't voting for juicers, and the electorate could change a lot in the next 5-9 years. Then again, ARod flaunted the rules even after they were rewritten specifically to ban what he did on multiple occasions, so we'll see.
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A Rod is interesting cause he’s more like Bonds. A 5 tool HOF player who used PEDs to become a power hitting beast in addition, but would have been without
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Until Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Curt Schilling and the the steroid bunch are in the Hall of Fame, it's a joke.
Period.
How can you have a Hall of Fame without the all-time hits leader, all-time home runs leader and one of the best pitchers of all time?
Think about it.... Barry Bonds isn't in but Ted Freakin' Simmons is?
Pete Rose isn't in but Harmon Killebrew is? I loved the Killer but geez, you're suggesting he's a better baseball player than the consummate baseball player of his time?
Rose was one of the greatest ballplayers of all time. Deal with his gambling problems in is Hall presentation, but enshrine him.
Keeping Bonds, Schilling and the steroid bunch out is pretending it didn't happen. It's like pretending that Mark McGwire's and Sammy Sosa's steroid fueled home run race in the late 1990s didn't save baseball.
Idiots.
Brother dgies,
I agree and I disagree. Bonds (and Clemens) were first ballot Hall of Famers before they started juicing. For me, they’re in. Palmiero is borderline. McGwire hit 49 HRs as a rookie before he became a chemistry project but I think he’s out. Sosa did nothing prior to bulking up and cheated on multiple levels. He shouldn’t even be in the conversation imo.
Schilling should be in. He’s said some dopey stuff but his numbers are honest and HOF worthy. Writers should keep their political biases to themselves when voting but some obviously don’t.
I think Rose should be in, too. He’s among the 10 best players of my lifetime and may be the best competitor ever this side of Ty Cobb. He’s kind of a sleazy character and he broke baseball’s law against gambling but I can’t imagine he ever bet against himself or his teammates.
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I agree and I disagree. Bonds (and Clemens) were first ballot Hall of Famers before they started juicing. For me, they’re in. Palmiero is borderline. McGwire hit 49 HRs as a rookie before he became a chemistry project but I think he’s out. Sosa did nothing prior to bulking up and cheated on multiple levels. He shouldn’t even be in the conversation imo.
Schilling should be in. He’s said some dopey stuff but his numbers are honest and HOF worthy. Writers should keep their political biases to themselves when voting but some obviously don’t.
I think Rose should be in, too. He’s among the 10 best players of my lifetime and may be the best competitor ever this side of Ty Cobb. He’s kind of a sleazy character and he broke baseball’s law against gambling but I can’t imagine he ever bet against himself or his teammates.
I agree with much of this, but ...
Do you think Gaylord Perry should be in the HoF? He not only cheated constantly, he even bragged about it. Why was Sosa's "cheating" worse than Perry's? To tell you the truth, I'd have Perry in and Sosa out, so I'm mostly looking for your opinion.
The vast majority of BBWAA voters -- 71% -- checked the box next to Schilling's name in 2021. He was only a few votes away from getting in. Then he came out and said he wanted to be off the ballot, so instead of progressing to the next level and getting more votes in his final year of eligibility -- as usually happens -- he actually got fewer votes. I happen to agree with you that he had a HoF career, and I voted for him when I still had a vote, but I do think he was closer to a borderline case than a no-brainer. Of all the names mentioned, he's probably got the best chance to get in via a veterans committee.
As for Rose, it doesn't matter if he bet on or against his own team. For example ...
He's managing the Reds. He has put 50 large on his team. He's in debt and he desperately needs to win the bet. It's a close game, the Reds are leading 4-3 in the eighth inning. His closer has worked the previous 3 games and there is no way Rose should send him out for a fourth straight. But he needs to win the bet. So he says, "Screw my closer's health," and sends him out in the eighth inning ... and the closer blows out his arm.
One could give many other examples of how a manager betting on his own team could hurt the athletes he manages as well as the integrity of the game.
There are rules and there are rules. Rose happened to break the most sacred rule in baseball. He did it repeatedly. He lied about having done it. He knew the consequences when he did it because they were spelled right out on the sign in his own clubhouse. So now he's facing the consequences.
There still are places in the Hall of Fame where his records are mentioned. But he's simply never going to be enshrined, and I have no problem with that.
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I agree with much of this, but ...
Do you think Gaylord Perry should be in the HoF? He not only cheated constantly, he even bragged about it. Why was Sosa's "cheating" worse than Perry's? To tell you the truth, I'd have Perry in and Sosa out, so I'm mostly looking for your opinion.
The vast majority of BBWAA voters -- 71% -- checked the box next to Schilling's name in 2021. He was only a few votes away from getting in. Then he came out and said he wanted to be off the ballot, so instead of progressing to the next level and getting more votes in his final year of eligibility -- as usually happens -- he actually got fewer votes. I happen to agree with you that he had a HoF career, and I voted for him when I still had a vote, but I do think he was closer to a borderline case than a no-brainer. Of all the names mentioned, he's probably got the best chance to get in via a veterans committee.
As for Rose, it doesn't matter if he bet on or against his own team. For example ...
He's managing the Reds. He has put 50 large on his team. He's in debt and he desperately needs to win the bet. It's a close game, the Reds are leading 4-3 in the eighth inning. His closer has worked the previous 3 games and there is no way Rose should send him out for a fourth straight. But he needs to win the bet. So he says, "Screw my closer's health," and sends him out in the eighth inning ... and the closer blows out his arm.
One could give many other examples of how a manager betting on his own team could hurt the athletes he manages as well as the integrity of the game.
There are rules and there are rules. Rose happened to break the most sacred rule in baseball. He did it repeatedly. He lied about having done it. He knew the consequences when he did it because they were spelled right out on the sign in his own clubhouse. So now he's facing the consequences.
There still are places in the Hall of Fame where his records are mentioned. But he's simply never going to be enshrined, and I have no problem with that.
Sammy Sosa went from a skinny, low average, little power guy to a monster due to PEDs. He was nothing without them.
Perry sometimes put a foreign substance on the ball. No opinion on him.
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Sammy Sosa went from a skinny, low average, little power guy to a monster due to PEDs. He was nothing without them.
Perry sometimes put a foreign substance on the ball. No opinion on him.
OK, Tony, thanks for the answer and the discussion. Have a good one.
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Doug Glanville at ESPN offers an ex-player's perspective on why juicers shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33181692/doug-glanville-why-glad-barry-bonds-elected-hall-fame
A couple of strong passages:
Watching so many of sports' biggest superstars tweet their disappointment in the vote that kept Bonds out didn't help. Eventually, I realized what many of them haven't had to: The lines you draw are different when you are directly impacted by such rampant cheating. Not peripherally, not theoretically, but directly -- in your contract negotiations, on the lineup card, on the depth chart, in the win column. "It is one thing to watch artificial domination on TV, marveling at the numbers it produced as if it is a magic show. It is another when you lose your job from it.
Also:
Every record that Bonds broke was against another player. Bonds faced pitchers, just as Roger Clemens faced hitters. And the fact that so many baseball players -- myself included -- had to consistently try to beat out people who had a constant advantage is not something I can brush off simply because their final numbers made our eyes pop out of our heads.
For me, to do so would dismiss the time I spent playing out the 2000-2002 seasons while my father was in and out of the hospital, choosing to do it without PEDs despite my desperation to regain my form from the 1999 season. Or when I got hurt during a free-agent year and came back after surgery using underwater workouts and weight training, not HGH. Like many players, I scrapped, battled, aged, while others apparently just cheated age chemically.
It's not just Bonds. So many players from the steroid era -- the era of my own professional career -- bulldozed everyone else to pad their stats. Apologists couch it in competitive spirit or a relentless will to win, but in the end it was just egomaniacal avarice, unleashed to compensate for the same insecurity that every major league player feels.
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Glanville is one of my favorite ex-players. Incredibly intelligent, very aware on social issues, always looking out for players and ex-players, and as good of an analyst as there is. That is why I was disappointed that while mentioning, guys like Bonds, Clemens, and Arod who didn't get in, he completely neglected to mention David Ortiz - another juicer who did get elected.
I have yet to hear a single voter explain why they cast a ballot for Ortiz, but not for the other three I mentioned.
But Buster Olney may have the answer: "the logic pretzels created by some of the writers in order to justify voting for Ortiz while not voting for others who have had reported links to PEDs were, well, amusing. ..... it seems apparent that his popularity and likability were difference making.”
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Glanville is one of my favorite ex-players. Incredibly intelligent, very aware on social issues, always looking out for players and ex-players, and as good of an analyst as there is. That is why I was disappointed that while mentioning, guys like Bonds, Clemens, and Arod who didn't get in, he completely neglected to mention David Ortiz - another juicer who did get elected.
I have yet to hear a single voter explain why they cast a ballot for Ortiz, but not for the other three I mentioned.
But Buster Olney may have the answer: "the logic pretzels created by some of the writers in order to justify voting for Ortiz while not voting for others who have had reported links to PEDs were, well, amusing. ..... it seems apparent that his popularity and likability were difference making.”
It is absolutely possible that Ortiz's popularity -- and Bonds/Clemens lack of same -- was the difference that helped Ortiz get 50 more votes than either of the other two. The voters are human, and therefore imperfect and subject to bias, just like any human. Voting for anything -- an election, an All-Star game, a Hall of Fame, anything -- is subjective.
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Ortiz became a shoo in after his speech following the Boston bombing. So, yeah, perhaps popularity has something to do with it. So be it.
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It is absolutely possible that Ortiz's popularity -- and Bonds/Clemens lack of same -- was the difference that helped Ortiz get 50 more votes than either of the other two. The voters are human, and therefore imperfect and subject to bias, just like any human. Voting for anything -- an election, an All-Star game, a Hall of Fame, anything -- is subjective.
I agree that much in life is subjective - but numbers aren’t. Bonds and Clemens (by the numbers) were vastly superior players. And when you look at their careers before they most likely/logically all became juicers the gap is even wider. You’re right that everyone has biases, Mike. But not everyone is on guard to avoid excusing theirs as the basis for prejudiced judgements.
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It is absolutely possible that Ortiz's popularity -- and Bonds/Clemens lack of same -- was the difference that helped Ortiz get 50 more votes than either of the other two. The voters are human, and therefore imperfect and subject to bias, just like any human. Voting for anything -- an election, an All-Star game, a Hall of Fame, anything -- is subjective.
Except that voting for cheaters is a topic that has been discussed ad nauseum by sports writers for a couple decades now. Where is the integrity in saying "i won't vote for Bonds or Clemens solely because they were cheaters" and then turning around and voting for a different cheater.
Personally, I think all 3 of these guys should be in. But it would be disingenuous to say I'll vote for this cheater, but my principles won't let me vote for that cheater.
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Ortiz became a shoo in after his speech following the Boston bombing. So, yeah, perhaps popularity has something to do with it. So be it.
Getting shot helped too
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I agree that much in life is subjective - but numbers aren’t. Bonds and Clemens (by the numbers) were vastly superior players. And when you look at their careers before they most likely/logically all became juicers the gap is even wider. You’re right that everyone has biases, Mike. But not everyone is on guard to avoid excusing theirs as the basis for prejudiced judgements.
Except that voting for cheaters is a topic that has been discussed ad nauseum by sports writers for a couple decades now. Where is the integrity in saying "i won't vote for Bonds or Clemens solely because they were cheaters" and then turning around and voting for a different cheater.
Personally, I think all 3 of these guys should be in. But it would be disingenuous to say I'll vote for this cheater, but my principles won't let me vote for that cheater.
Again, I voted for Bonds and Clemens, and I would have voted for Ortiz. I was just offering a brief explanation about why the voting might have gone the way it did.
Either way, I'm not terribly upset about it. If all the juicers with great stats get in, it wouldn't make me happy or sad; if most juicers, or the biggest offenders, don't get in, I'm fine with that, too.
If you visit the Hall, there are all kinds of exhibits discussing the careers of guys like Bonds, Clemens, Sosa and McGwire. When I last went, in 2019, there was an entire display case about the McGwire-Sosa HR chase of 1998, complete with mentions of steroids. That's a museum's job.
But yes, there is inconsistency in voting for Ortiz but not Bonds. And yes, personal feelings quite possibly went into those votes. Welcome to humanity.
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If you visit the Hall, there are all kinds of exhibits discussing the careers of guys like Bonds, Clemens, Sosa and McGwire. When I last went, in 2019, there was an entire display case about the McGwire-Sosa HR chase of 1998, complete with mentions of steroids. That's a museum's job.
But yes, there is inconsistency in voting for Ortiz but not Bonds. And yes, personal feelings quite possibly went into those votes. Welcome to humanity.
Rose is also in the exhibit area.
FWIW, humanity isn't impressing me much anymore. ::)
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Rose is also in the exhibit area.
Yes. The whole "he should have been inducted because of history" is stupid. All the gamblers and cheats are the subject of exhibits in the Hall of Fame. Their history has been recorded and it's available for all to see.
If you think the juicers and gamblers should be in the Hall because their stats are so good you're willing to overlook the juicing and gambling, that's another thing. Stick to that. (Not talking about you obviously, jockey.)
Being inducted into the Hall is incredible honor. It's totally different than just history.
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Again, I voted for Bonds and Clemens, and I would have voted for Ortiz. I was just offering a brief explanation about why the voting might have gone the way it did.
Either way, I'm not terribly upset about it.
But yes, there is inconsistency in voting for Ortiz but not Bonds. And yes, personal feelings quite possibly went into those votes. Welcome to humanity.
Mike
Not trying to be a jerk but it seems to me you’re much more sanguine about hypocrisy and blatant political bias than usual. If these folks didn’t share your profession I think you’d be a wee bit tougher on them.
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Mike
Not trying to be a jerk but it seems to me you’re much more sanguine about hypocrisy and blatant political bias than usual. If these folks didn’t share your profession I think you’d be a wee bit tougher on them.
You're allowed to think whatever you want to think, Tony. Have a nice night. We Are Marquette!
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Mike
Not trying to be a jerk but it seems to me you’re much more sanguine about hypocrisy and blatant political bias than usual. If these folks didn’t share your profession I think you’d be a wee bit tougher on them.
911: what's your emergency?
ZFB: I need an ambulance. Lenny just absolutely slayed nads.
911: understood. Well done, Lenny.
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911: what's your emergency?
ZFB: I need an ambulance. Lenny just absolutely slayed nads.
911: understood. Well done, Lenny.
This passes for humor. You should write for Maher!
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I mean, I think it is pretty obvious that if Bonds and Clemens were as "likeable" as Ortiz, they probably would be in as well. But both were surly, especially in their dealings with the press, so both are now the poster boys of bad behavior giving cover to people like Ortiz and eventually ARod.
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911: what's your emergency?
ZFB: I need an ambulance. Lenny just absolutely slayed nads.
911: understood. Well done, Lenny.
(https://media.tenor.co/images/849fed57e3b062f2dcd37dd9bbc5070d/raw)
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As Charles Barkley so eloquently once said, " I make $3 million a year. I don't get embarrassed," hey?
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I'd take Dick Allen before any of those four - and it wouldn't even be close. 22nd all time OPS+ ahead of guys like Aaron, Mays, Robinson, DiMaggio, and Thomas.
Dick Allen was an awesome player . He was the most feared batter in his time . It happened to be in an era when pitchers dominated so his stats don’t compare but anyone who saw him play and the brutal line drive home runs he hit would say he is a Hall of Famer
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33208373/ranking-mlb-all-greatest-uniforms (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33208373/ranking-mlb-all-greatest-uniforms)
Expos should be much higher.
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33208373/ranking-mlb-all-greatest-uniforms (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33208373/ranking-mlb-all-greatest-uniforms)
Expos should be much higher.
Tim Raines couldn’t have gotten much higher than he was.
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Tim Raines couldn’t have gotten much higher than he was.
#backpocketcocaine
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#backpocketcocaine
It was an accident!
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Universal DH coming in 2022 :(
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/mlb-commissioner-universal-designated-hitter-2022-season (https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/mlb-commissioner-universal-designated-hitter-2022-season)
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Universal DH coming in 2022 :(
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/mlb-commissioner-universal-designated-hitter-2022-season (https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/mlb-commissioner-universal-designated-hitter-2022-season)
That's fine. I would have been fine with the status quo, too.
I understand all the arguments for DH in both leagues, and I agree with most of them. But I also liked that the leagues had that one difference, and it was always fun to see a .125 hitting pitcher hit one over the fence; that it was a rare occurrence added to the fun.
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About damn time.
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About damn time.
Yeah, while I have gained an appreciation with the "traditional way" with Milwaukee moving to the NL, it just seems to be ridiculous that they don't play by the same rules. Time to move on.
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I'm going to miss the NL managers strategizing around the pitchers in the batting order. Will this change slightly minimize the Brewers' advantage by having such a strong and deep bullpen? Or will it allow their rotation to pitch a few extra innings?
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Good. The strategy of the double switch was too complicated for me
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"Thanks a ton"
-Jimmy Nelson
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Good. The strategy of the double switch was too complicated for me
Agree that it’s nearly impossible for fans to comprehend but once I got it it made baseball SO much more exciting!
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Agree that it’s nearly impossible for fans to comprehend but once I got it it made baseball SO much more exciting!
+100
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Agree that it’s nearly impossible for fans to comprehend but once I got it it made baseball SO much more exciting!
The only thing more confounding in baseball is how the sport hasn’t been renamed after Yadier Molina
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It's better than the leagues having different rules.... but I always preferred the NL rules
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The only thing more confounding in baseball is how the sport hasn’t been renamed after Yadier Molina
Hopefully addressed in the new CBA - something virtually everyone agrees on.
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It's better than the leagues having different rules.... but I always preferred the NL rules
From Joe Posnanski
In 2000, pitchers hit .150/.186/.195 and struck out 37% of the time they came to the plate. This is terrible, by the way, but pretty much in line with how pitchers had been hitting for decades. In 1978, to pull a random year, pitchers hit .148/.183/.188.
In 2005, pitchers hit .150/.182/.190 and struck out 36% of the time. Same thing.
In 2010, pitchers hit .143/.177/.177 and struck out 33% of the time. Worse in some ways, but they put the ball in play more — lots of sacrifice bunts.
In 2015, pitchers hit .133/.160/.171 and struck out 37% of the time. Things seem to be going in the wrong direction, don’t they?
And then in 2021, pitchers hit .110/.149/.140 and struck out 44% of the time.
You can see this is definitely going in the wrong direction, and in my view it just isn’t sustainable. How badly would pitchers have to hit to convince hardened fans of pitchers hitting that it no longer works? Would pitchers have to hit .060 to make the case? How about .038?
I don't understand what took so long.
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The most hardened fans would never change their position regardless of outcome.
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From Joe Posnanski
In 2000, pitchers hit .150/.186/.195 and struck out 37% of the time they came to the plate. This is terrible, by the way, but pretty much in line with how pitchers had been hitting for decades. In 1978, to pull a random year, pitchers hit .148/.183/.188.
In 2005, pitchers hit .150/.182/.190 and struck out 36% of the time. Same thing.
In 2010, pitchers hit .143/.177/.177 and struck out 33% of the time. Worse in some ways, but they put the ball in play more — lots of sacrifice bunts.
In 2015, pitchers hit .133/.160/.171 and struck out 37% of the time. Things seem to be going in the wrong direction, don’t they?
And then in 2021, pitchers hit .110/.149/.140 and struck out 44% of the time.
You can see this is definitely going in the wrong direction, and in my view it just isn’t sustainable. How badly would pitchers have to hit to convince hardened fans of pitchers hitting that it no longer works? Would pitchers have to hit .060 to make the case? How about .038?
I don't understand what took so long.
I don't really care about that. For me, it added to the strategy of the game. Baseball is also the only sport I know of that has every player play both offense and defense... except one.
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Football? Donald wasn't catching passes.
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I don't really care about that. For me, it added to the strategy of the game. Baseball is also the only sport I know of that has every player play both offense and defense... except one.
Hockey goalies don’t play offense. But regardless, sports are different.
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Hockey goalies don’t play offense. But regardless, sports are different.
Yes they do. They are out there while the offense is on the ice. Same in soccer.
And yes sports are different, thank you for making that clear ;)
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Football? Donald wasn't catching passes.
Those on the punt team play both offense and defense.
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Football? Donald wasn't catching passes.
Football has separate positions for offense and defense.
What my post was saying was that every major sport in the USA (and most sports in general) has either:
Separate positions for offense/defense or
Every position playing on both sides of the ball
The one exception in the states is AL rules (now all) baseball which has 8/9 positions play both sides and 2 special positions that alternate offense/defense. Which is fine, as FBM pointed out every sport is different. I just personally enjoyed the NL rules more than the AL rules.
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Cool
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Yes they do. They are out there while the offense is on the ice. Same in soccer.
And yes sports are different, thank you for making that clear ;)
Basketball?
And Clarissa will explain it all to you.
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Basketball?
And Clarissa will explain it all to you.
Sorry this one went over my head
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Sorry this one went over my head
Basketball players play offense and defense. Football is an outlier.
Sultan's new name is Clarissa, because he explains it all.
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I don't really care about that. For me, it added to the strategy of the game. Baseball is also the only sport I know of that has every player play both offense and defense... except one.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I suspect most fans who grew up following the NL would agree with you. I think the strategy is overrated and sometimes leads to horrible outcomes like pitching around a Punch and Judy hitter to get to the pitcher. With the dearth of innings pitched by starting pitchers these days, the necessity of the double switch is very much lessened too. The decision of should I let a pitcher who is dealing hit the third time up is in general a moot point because you're taking the pitcher out every time these days. Personally I'd rather see a real hitter hit than a .110 hitter, even if I lose the increase in strategy, which the average fan can predict anyway.
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I suspect most fans who grew up following the NL would agree with you. I think the strategy is overrated and sometimes leads to horrible outcomes like pitching around a Punch and Judy hitter to get to the pitcher. With the dearth of innings pitched by starting pitchers these days, the necessity of the double switch is very much lessened too. The decision of should I let a pitcher who is dealing hit the third time up is in general a moot point because you're taking the pitcher out every time these days. Personally I'd rather see a real hitter hit than a .110 hitter, even if I lose the increase in strategy, which the average fan can predict anyway.
I agree completely.
So much of the "strategy" that is talked about, is really just automatic moves that every NL manager made.
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Sorry this one went over my head
I know I am old when the youngin's don't even get Nickelodeon mentions anymore.
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I know I am old when the youngin's don't even get Nickelodeon mentions anymore.
I'm pretty sure he's older then me, must not have watched nick.
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I'm pretty sure he's older then me, must not have watched nick.
I was a cartoon network kid.
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This Matt Harvey testimony is both brutal and sad.
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This Matt Harvey testimony is both brutal and sad.
I understand that drug use happens by baseball players at probably most colleges, but not a great look today for UNC.
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Ok gang, not sure how many of you remember the olden days but when Bob Gibson was pitching, he could handle a bat.
The man hit home runs in the World Series. And struck out 17 Detroit Tigers.
By contrast, Cardinal shortstop Dal Maxvill didn’t hit his weight. A ball out of the infield by Maxvill was cause for a celebration in St. Louis.
Unfortunately, the rule keeps the Maxvills batting and sends the Gibsons to the bench.
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Ok gang, not sure how many of you remember the olden days but when Bob Gibson was pitching, he could handle a bat.
The man hit home runs in the World Series. And struck out 17 Detroit Tigers.
By contrast, Cardinal shortstop Dal Maxvill didn’t hit his weight. A ball out of the infield by Maxvill was cause for a celebration in St. Louis.
Unfortunately, the rule keeps the Maxvills batting and sends the Gibsons to the bench.
Well, that was the late-60’s and it’s 2022. Sounds cool
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Ok gang, not sure how many of you remember the olden days but when Bob Gibson was pitching, he could handle a bat.
The man hit home runs in the World Series. And struck out 17 Detroit Tigers.
By contrast, Cardinal shortstop Dal Maxvill didn’t hit his weight. A ball out of the infield by Maxvill was cause for a celebration in St. Louis.
Unfortunately, the rule keeps the Maxvills batting and sends the Gibsons to the bench.
Both retired in 1975, 46 years before the 2022 passage of the DH rule by the NL
..."the 2022 rule keeps the Maxvills batting and sends the Gibsons to the bench"...?
Not really,
but durn it, if the DH rule were in place 100 years ago, maybe Babe Ruth would've kept pitching and also DH'd, ... so we could better compare him to Ohtani's 2021 season.
Why cant every baseball era just be the same?
lol
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Ok gang, not sure how many of you remember the olden days but when Bob Gibson was pitching, he could handle a bat.
The man hit home runs in the World Series. And struck out 17 Detroit Tigers.
By contrast, Cardinal shortstop Dal Maxvill didn’t hit his weight. A ball out of the infield by Maxvill was cause for a celebration in St. Louis.
Unfortunately, the rule keeps the Maxvills batting and sends the Gibsons to the bench.
Ohtani says 'OK, boomer. '
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Ok gang, not sure how many of you remember the olden days but when Bob Gibson was pitching, he could handle a bat.
The man hit home runs in the World Series. And struck out 17 Detroit Tigers.
By contrast, Cardinal shortstop Dal Maxvill didn’t hit his weight. A ball out of the infield by Maxvill was cause for a celebration in St. Louis.
Unfortunately, the rule keeps the Maxvills batting and sends the Gibsons to the bench.
Actually the DH can be used for any position.
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Ok gang, not sure how many of you remember the olden days but when Bob Gibson was pitching, he could handle a bat.
The man hit home runs in the World Series. And struck out 17 Detroit Tigers.
By contrast, Cardinal shortstop Dal Maxvill didn’t hit his weight. A ball out of the infield by Maxvill was cause for a celebration in St. Louis.
Unfortunately, the rule keeps the Maxvills batting and sends the Gibsons to the bench.
The Cardinals can put Yadi in formaldehyde and roll him out there for 10 more years now.
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The Cardinals can put Yadi in formaldehyde and roll him out there for 10 more years now.
More balls will stick to/into him though.
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Ok gang, not sure how many of you remember the olden days but when Bob Gibson was pitching, he could handle a bat.
The man hit home runs in the World Series. And struck out 17 Detroit Tigers.
By contrast, Cardinal shortstop Dal Maxvill didn’t hit his weight. A ball out of the infield by Maxvill was cause for a celebration in St. Louis.
Unfortunately, the rule keeps the Maxvills batting and sends the Gibsons to the bench.
Bob Gibson slashed .206/.244/.301.
Letting him bat instead of a professional hitter would be a fireable offense.
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Ok gang, not sure how many of you remember the olden days but when Bob Gibson was pitching, he could handle a bat.
The man hit home runs in the World Series. And struck out 17 Detroit Tigers.
By contrast, Cardinal shortstop Dal Maxvill didn’t hit his weight. A ball out of the infield by Maxvill was cause for a celebration in St. Louis.
Unfortunately, the rule keeps the Maxvills batting and sends the Gibsons to the bench.
Bob Gibson career OPS+ was 50, meaning he was half as good as an average MLB hitter
Dal Maxvill career OPS+ was 57.
In 1968, the year you are referring to, Gibson OPS+ was 39, Maxvill's was 91.
Maxvill was a God-awful hitter. But he was a better hitter than Bob Gibson.
An as others have said, there is no place in today's game for a guy like Dal Maxvill anyway.
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Wait. I thought Cardinals fans were darn near perfect in their understanding of the game. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Actually the DH can be used for any position.
While that may be true in lower leagues like High School, it is not true in MLB. The DH may only be used for the pitcher (and not any other position player), as stated in Rule 5.11.
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While that may be true in lower leagues like High School, it is not true in MLB. The DH may only be used for the pitcher (and not any other position player), as stated in Rule 5.11.
I stand corrected. Was that always the case?
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Time to end the lockout. Pitchers and catchers are supposed to be reporting.
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I stand corrected. Was that always the case?
As far as I know, yes.
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Time to end the lockout. Pitchers and catchers are supposed to be reporting.
Brother Tower:
Damn straight.
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We can argue about teams, and we should. I think we can all agree we want the sound of fastball hitting catcher's mitt. The repetitive crack of bats hitting balls in the cage.
Make it so!
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Time to end the lockout. Pitchers and catchers are supposed to be reporting.
Yes!
And post-COVID MLB can't afford to miss games and piss off fans.
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Yes!
And post-COVID MLB can't afford to miss games and piss off fans.
I'm not optimistic.
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They're gonna need a minimum of 3 weeks of spring training. To start the season on time, that puts a settlement deadline at about March 10, so they've still got about 3 weeks to get a deal done.
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Yes!
And post-COVID MLB can't afford to miss games and piss off fans.
They'd be luckly to merely "piss off" the fans. I would be more concerned about fan apathy from the non-hardcores.
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When I read articles like this, I don't see the owners willing to compromise very much.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-lockout-theres-no-way-to-force-team-owners-to-put-wins-over-dollars-015040077.html
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Juan Soto reportedly turned down a 13-year, $350 million contract from the Nats just before the lockout began.
And the crazy thing is ... that was probably a smart decision.
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They're gonna need a minimum of 3 weeks of spring training. To start the season on time, that puts a settlement deadline at about March 10, so they've still got about 3 weeks to get a deal done.
They don’t have that much time. If there is no deal by March 1, the season will be delayed.
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They'd be luckly to merely "piss off" the fans. I would be more concerned about fan apathy from the non-hardcores.
I think things may have changed to where they need to worry about apathy from hardcore fans.
It won’t be just the delay. It’s also about MLB’s refusal to even attempt to deal with problems like 3.5 - 4 hour games among other problems.
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One more day until NCAA Baseball Opening Day.
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You guys think there's going to be a full season?
Okay...
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I think things may have changed to where they need to worry about apathy from hardcore fans.
It won’t be just the delay. It’s also about MLB’s refusal to even attempt to deal with problems like 3.5 - 4 hour games among other problems.
Didn’t MLB announce recently that they would no longer be testing for steroids? Maybe that’s the plan to win back fans.
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Didn’t MLB announce recently that they would no longer be testing for steroids? Maybe that’s the plan to win back fans.
They cannot test during the lockout because there's no JDA.
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You guys think there's going to be a full season?
Okay...
Still hopeful. Just sayin' that there's still time to get it done. Not counting on it though.
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You guys think there's going to be a full season?
Okay...
I absolutely do not.
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I agree. And it is a conscious choice by the owners to not have it.
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And this is what the MLBPA needs to understand, and probably does understand but its still too early. The owners are going to win this. The owners usually do. They have more money and more leverage. They will throw the players a couple of bones, but will end up with the sweeter end of the deal.
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One more day until NCAA Baseball Opening Day.
Hey, thanks for this. I'm meeting my brother in AZ for a few days of good food, good beer, good hikes, bad golf and some NCAA hoops-watching. We also were hoping to catch a ballgame or two. After reading this, I checked ASU's baseball schedule and they have a homestand at the exact time we'll be there. So if MLB locks us out, we'll go catch a college game. Maybe we'll decide to catch a college game even in the unlikely event that there are MLB spring games.
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If MLB drags its feet too long, this may be the year to dive in to college ball. ESPN is streaming 2000 games plus 200 more on TV: https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2022/02/college-baseball-back-in-full-swing-with-2200-games-across-espn-networks-for-2022-season/
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If MLB drags its feet too long, this may be the year to dive in to college ball. ESPN is streaming 2000 games plus 200 more on TV: https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2022/02/college-baseball-back-in-full-swing-with-2200-games-across-espn-networks-for-2022-season/
You don’t have to wait long.
Tomorrow, using your linked rankings, (there are several different college baseball rankings) #7 Oklahoma State opens a 3 game series at #3 Vandy. Former Vandy assistant Josh Holliday going up against close friend Tim Corbin. There are other good matchups too.
College Baseball is great fun. You can often watch 4 games a week of your favorite team.
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MLB says a deal has to get done by Feb. 28 for there to be a full season.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2022/02/17/mlb-lockout-news-players-union-rob-manfred/6833519001/
Major League Baseball negotiators walked out of Thursday's bargaining session with the players union after only 15 minutes, angry over the union’s latest proposal, leaving the scheduled start of the regular season in serious jeopardy.
MLB has informed the players union that a deal must struck by Feb. 28 to preserve the start of the regular season on March 31. The union, incensed that the lockout was implemented in the first place, blames MLB for the slow-moving negotiations.
Considering the two sides remain so far apart, particularly on the luxury tax threshold and penalties, any previous optimism is rapidly waning.
One person with direct knowledge of the negotiations predicts that the lockout could now extend until at least mid-March, which would all but guarantee the 162-game season would be shortened, providing the season is not extended into mid-November.
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Early ST games cancelled.
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I feel like Ukraine and Russia are going to work out a deal before the MLB owners and players.
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I feel like Ukraine and Russia are going to work out a deal before the MLB owners and players.
I've always thought May 1 was the target date for owners. A small minority is all that's needed to scuttle a deal.
I wonder how long before Manfred officially starts cancelling regular season games.
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I've always thought May 1 was the target date for owners. A small minority is all that's needed to scuttle a deal.
I wonder how long before Manfred officially starts cancelling regular season games.
Tonight
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Just cancelled 1st week of regular season. I expect we will see a lot more of these.
Owners don't want anyone else shaking their money trees.
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Shocking.
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No major sport cares less about its fans than MLB. I wish there was a productive way to strike back as a fan, but I know it’s not realistic.
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No major sport cares less about its fans than MLB. I wish there was a productive way to strike back as a fan, but I know it’s not realistic.
Don't give them another nickel? Don't go to games, don't watch 'em on TV, don't listen on the radio, don't buy jerseys and other clothing, don't buy new baseball cards or any collectibles, etc.
You alone doing that won't move the needle even the tiniest fraction. But if hundreds of thousands or millions do it, it would get their attention. That's kind of what happened after the last lockout but the Steroid-a-thon lured fans back. Although I still hear from plenty of people who say they have barely paid any attention to baseball since they canceled the 1994 World Series.
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They'll just move to China where the money is.
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Was told a deal maybe done tomorrow.
Take it for what it’s worth, but from my guy, deal is closer than media outlets seem to make it
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Was told a deal maybe done tomorrow.
Take it for what it’s worth, but from my guy, deal is closer than media outlets seem to make it
I'm holding Brewers Opening Day tickets for March 31. I received an email from the Brewers yesterday that indicated that Opening Day was being tentatively rescheduled for Thursday April 14 (which is the next home game after the 2 canceled opening series vs. AZ and SF) and that my March 31 tickets would be good for whatever would be the first home game. I'm planning on April 14. If a deal's done this week the Brewers could open April 7 at Wrigley.
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I'm holding Brewers Opening Day tickets for March 31. I received an email from the Brewers yesterday that indicated that Opening Day was being tentatively rescheduled for Thursday April 14 (which is the next home game after the 2 canceled opening series vs. AZ and SF) and that my March 31 tickets would be good for whatever would be the first home game. I'm planning on April 14. If a deal's done this week the Brewers could open April 7 at Wrigley.
I’m told it will be April 7. (Assuming it’s done tomorrow like I was told)
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That would be nice.
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That would be shocking.
MLB put out story that deal was close Monday night. They then proceeded to add small print with the offer Tuesday that hadn't even been discussed. I suspect this new story is coming from owners as well. Their priority is making the players look bad - not getting a deal done.
As long as the Haves and the Have-Not owners are fighting amongst themselves, I don't expect anything to happen.
I hope I am wrong, but...,
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Was told a deal maybe done tomorrow.
Take it for what it’s worth, but from my guy, deal is closer than media outlets seem to make it
Got heeeeeem
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Got heeeeeem
Just relaying what management said
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Over/under in Vegas on MLB regular season games played this year is 124.5
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Over/under in Vegas on MLB regular season games played this year is 124.5
About 4 per team? That seems accurate
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Over/under in Vegas on MLB regular season games played this year is 124.5
That would have them starting around Memorial Day.
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The less games they play the more reason to add an additional layer of playoffs to make it seem like the new normal. 10 is already too many for a 162 game season and 14 is ridiculous. You can't play 162 games to get rid of just a little more than half the teams.
The owners are moving to moustache twirling Snidley Wiplash levels of evil. This is 100% on them. They locked out the players, the players have already conceded every point (no earlier start for arbitration or free-agent clock, etc.). Its just a matter of bonus pool money for young players and salary cap numbers really. The owners are making more money than ever before and player salaries have actually declined since 2016.
They are not interested in negotiating anything to improve the game play or to stop tanking, and they want to fill their coffers with even more money for additional playoff rounds that the players don't want and the fans don't want.
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The sport was already in decline in terms of popularity, and they're staring down a total disruption of their TV carriage with the RSNs in freefall.
Just seems like a really inopportune time to dig their heels in, when looking at the longer term picture.
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Just relaying what management said
As I said earlier, management puts these kind of things out there so that when a deal doesn't happen - and there was basically a 0% chance - they can then blame the players for not acting when a deal is "close".
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That would have them starting around Memorial Day.
More like mid May.
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The less games they play the more reason to add an additional layer of playoffs to make it seem like the new normal. 10 is already too many for a 162 game season and 14 is ridiculous. You can't play 162 games to get rid of just a little more than half the teams.
The owners are moving to moustache twirling Snidley Wiplash levels of evil. This is 100% on them. They locked out the players, the players have already conceded every point (no earlier start for arbitration or free-agent clock, etc.). Its just a matter of bonus pool money for young players and salary cap numbers really. The owners are making more money than ever before and player salaries have actually declined since 2016.
They are not interested in negotiating anything to improve the game play or to stop tanking, and they want to fill their coffers with even more money for additional playoff rounds that the players don't want and the fans don't want.
Warrior
Not a fan of the owners but a 23% increase in the minimum salary isn’t insignificant.
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Now that the Ricketts family is talking about buying Chelsea for upwards of $3.5 BILLION, are they obligated to stop talking about their "biblical" losses with the Cubs?
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Now that the Ricketts family is talking about buying Chelsea for upwards of $3.5 BILLION, are they obligated to stop talking about their "biblical" losses with the Cubs?
He was talking across MLB. And guess what, the Ricketts are filthy FILTHY rich, both can be true. They could personally have lost $1B due to COVID issues with the Cubs and still be in a position to have the assets to buy CFC, shrug. Companies have horrific quarters/years all the time...and still move forward with mergers or acquisitions or capital investments.
I'm no fan of the MLB owners, and even though I'm a Cubs fan, I don't care much for the Ricketts, but I'm always amused how people are so quick to counter owner comments on the business of sports with "oh but they're rich". You can comment on something potentially being bad financially for the sport or owners or a team without pleading poverty.
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unnatural carnal knowledge the Ricketts.
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He was talking across MLB. And guess what, the Ricketts are filthy FILTHY rich, both can be true. They could personally have lost $1B due to COVID issues with the Cubs and still be in a position to have the assets to buy CFC, shrug. Companies have horrific quarters/years all the time...and still move forward with mergers or acquisitions or capital investments.
I'm no fan of the MLB owners, and even though I'm a Cubs fan, I don't care much for the Ricketts, but I'm always amused how people are so quick to counter owner comments on the business of sports with "oh but they're rich". You can comment on something potentially being bad financially for the sport or owners or a team without pleading poverty.
They 'say'. I think they include real estate costs of buying properties around Wrigley in that billion dollar loss.
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They 'say'. I think they include real estate costs of buying properties around Wrigley in that billion dollar loss.
Sorry, I meant in hypotheticals. $500M, $1B, $2B, whatever the sum. They have enough money that they could have absolutely suffered enormous losses (or not) and still be perfectly fine in terms of capitalization to put up for Chelsea
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Sorry, I meant in hypotheticals. $500M, $1B, $2B, whatever the sum. They have enough money that they could have absolutely suffered enormous losses (or not) and still be perfectly fine in terms of capitalization to put up for Chelsea
Absolutely - and I understood that was what you were saying.
My original remark was sarcasm. My second post that they aren't telling the entire truth was not. We don't know what the actual numbers are.
The only team where we can see the books are the Atlanta Braves. As far as the owners there are concerned, they could quote Chico Escuela when he said - “Baseball been berry, berry good to me!”
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The only team where we can see the books are the Atlanta Braves. As far as the owners there are concerned, they could quote Chico Escuela when he said - “Baseball been berry, berry good to me!”
Baseball been berry, berry good to both the owners and the players. And berry, berry bad to its fans. While MLB argues about whether the minimum salary should be 700,000 or 710,000, fans brace for what the new CBA will cost them - and when they’ll be given the privilege to pay that cost.
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Baseball been berry, berry good to both the owners and the players. And berry, berry bad to its fans. While MLB argues about whether the minimum salary should be 700,000 or 710,000, fans brace for what the new CBA will cost them - and when they’ll be given the privilege to pay that cost.
All true, but fans have a choice. And so often they choose to let themselves be treated badly.
If folks willingly pay $100 for a game ticket and $15 for a beer, and make $10,000 trips to AZ or FL for spring training, and pay for the MLB network, etc, they kinda are "enablers."
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For all the Brewers fans here, Sophia Minnaert was at the Marquette Circles event in NYC last night.
With the lockout going on, and no spring training she was available for the event.
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Mets owner Steve Cohen liked a tweet that indicates the owners will never accept an offer from the players.
As the guy from The Athletic said: "I’m no business expert, but that plainly indicates bad-faith negotiations to me."
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Universal DH coming in 2022 :(
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/mlb-commissioner-universal-designated-hitter-2022-season (https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/mlb-commissioner-universal-designated-hitter-2022-season)
Banning the shift in 2023.
https://clutchpoints.com/mlb-news-mlbpa-shockingly-agrees-to-ban-shift-other-rule-changes-in-latest-lockout-negotiations/
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For all the Brewers fans here, Sophia Minnaert was at the Marquette Circles event in NYC last night.
With the lockout going on, and no spring training she was available for the event.
O, eye cee, hey?😎
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What particulalry sucks about baeball labor negoations compared to other sports is how drastically each CBA negotiation impacts the product on the field. The owners' success in installing salary caps in the other sports means that CBAs are mostly about negotiating on the margins. Sure the luxury tax threshold and repeater penalties in the NBA has some impact on team spending, but not to the degree we see in baseball.
Meanwhile, baseball's CBA negotiations include the universal DH, pitch clocks, trying like hell to install meaningful salary floors, service time manipulation for star players, on and on and on. That's not "how much of the pie do we each get" stuff. And its just friggin exhausting.
I generally lean pro-players in these labor negotiations, because I think that owners buying pro sports teams motivated by profit is stupid. I understand pro sports teams are businesses, but if you re looking to wring out the washcloth on an investment, get into PE, don't buy a small market sports team. But over the past 20 years, its starting to feel like the MLBPA fighting against the inevitability of a salary cap is harming the sport.
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I have no problem with a salary cap as long as there is a salary floor. With revenue sharing, teams like the Pirates get a windfall every year for intentionally being bad with no desire to ever try to win.
The Cubs and Astros used tanking as a tool to become a contender. The Pirates use it for the owner’s bottom line.
I expect the lockout to end in 2 more weeks - give or take 2 days. The owners wanted no part of April games. They do want to play by May1.
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I have no problem with a salary cap as long as there is a salary floor. With revenue sharing, teams like the Pirates get a windfall every year for intentionally being bad with no desire to ever try to win.
I agree with this. I feel like sports that have a relatively narrow permitted payroll range with exceptions to the cap for a short-ish time periood to "go for it" have the best competitive balance. Part of the problem in baseball, I think, is that the gap between the owners' ability to spend has gotten so great with no cap, that then implementing a sensible number to bring the bottom teams up and cap the top teams is damn near impossible. Le Batard's fight with Manfred about the Marlins stands out as an example.
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FS1 reporting a deal has been reached. 🕺🕺🕺
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FS1 reporting a deal has been reached. 🕺🕺🕺
That will be the icing on the cake if MU wins today.
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FS1 reporting a deal has been reached. 🕺🕺🕺
Good. The sooner the season starts, the sooner Yadier Molina’s career will be over
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Good. The sooner the season starts, the sooner Yadier Molina’s career will be over
Will he play 2 weeks in 2023, to make up for the missed games this year? One can pray.
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Starting in 2023, everyone will play everyone at least one series a season. Way less divisional games starting next year.
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Starting in 2023, everyone will play everyone at least one series a season. Way less divisional games starting next year.
Honestly, I like this.
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Honestly, I like this.
So do I. 19 games against one team is way too many.
On another point, the players executive committee voted unanimously to reject the owners’ offer bur the rank and file voted overwhelmingly to accept it. Why such a disconnect?
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So do I. 19 games against one team is way too many.
On another point, the players executive committee voted unanimously to reject the owners’ offer bur the rank and file voted overwhelmingly to accept it. Why such a disconnect?
The executive committee is made up of guys who have already received huge contracts - bigger than they will ever get again because of age or length of contract. This was one case where the rich guys (MLBPA executive board) was actually looking out for and trying to get a better deal for lower and mid-tier guys. those guys just needed to get back to work and were willing to take less.
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The executive committee is made up of guys who have already received huge contracts - bigger than they will ever get again because of age or length of contract. This was one case where the rich guys (MLBPA executive board) was actually looking out for and trying to get a better deal for lower and mid-tier guys. those guys just needed to get back to work and were willing to take less.
Less? The guys at the bottom got a 23% raise tu 700,000. That’s huge, and basically what the Union was asking. I’m not as clear on the mid tier guys. What did they sacrifice in this deal?
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Honestly, I like this.
I don't. Divisional games are the best games of the year. I don't want to give up divisional games to play the Marlins, Reds, Padres, Diamondbacks, etc.
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I don't. Divisional games are the best games of the year. I don't want to give up divisional games to play the Marlins, Reds, Padres, Diamondbacks, etc.
I agree that I like the primacy of divisional games, but now that only two of the three division winners get a bye, they had to do something to at least come closer to balancing schedules across divisions.
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I don't. Divisional games are the best games of the year. I don't want to give up divisional games to play the Marlins, Reds, Padres, Diamondbacks, etc.
Me neither. It sounded good until I did the math.
Minimum 3 games per team. That's 87 games. I assume the local rival will get another 3 games (for example Yankees vs. Mets). That's 90.
Are they playing divisional rivals 18 times for the rest? Or rotating 15 games a year vs a division in their own league? Then playing 57 games in the division which is a weird number because you need an extra game vs someone?
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Me neither. It sounded good until I did the math.
Minimum 3 games per team. That's 87 games. I assume the local rival will get another 3 games (for example Yankees vs. Mets). That's 90.
Are they playing divisional rivals 18 times for the rest? Or rotating 15 games a year vs a division in their own league? Then playing 57 games in the division which is a weird number because you need an extra game vs someone?
My guess is 3 games against other league plus an extra 3 against your rival, so that is 48 (14*3 + 1*6)
Then home and away against the balance of your league, outside division. That is 60 more (6*10)
That leaves 54 for division games, which would be 13 or 14 per team. Probably 13 and 2 extra games against same league teams out of division, or 14 and you make your opposite league rival 4 games instead of 6.
I'm a fossil, I get it, but I would prefer no interleague games, and 8 playoff teams. Why are you playing 162 games and having 40% of the teams make the playoffs? Why do I care about the regular season? If 84 wins are pretty much a playoff guarantee, salaries are going to go down, I would guess. And you know they are going to expand to 14 as soon as they possibly can.
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Less? The guys at the bottom got a 23% raise tu 700,000. That’s huge, and basically what the Union was asking. I’m not as clear on the mid tier guys. What did they sacrifice in this deal?
Salary for an individual year is not the only monetary situation. In fact it was a small consideration. Player salary is affected more by the CBT and arbitration rules. CBT was the biggest reason for the lockout. Minimum salary didn't really affect the negotiations one way or the other.
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HOT STOVE IS BACK BABY!!!
Good deal for Rodon. That's one of the most valuable opt outs I can recall off the top of my head.
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Salary for an individual year is not the only monetary situation. In fact it was a small consideration. Player salary is affected more by the CBT and arbitration rules. CBT was the biggest reason for the lockout. Minimum salary didn't really affect the negotiations one way or the other.
Wasn’t the CBT also raised substantially also. And when you said low and mid tier players were being looked out for by the rich guys on the executive committee - a higher CBT favors the big free agents, the mid and low tier guys are insignificant to the CBT, no?
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Somebody told me MLB is going to do double headers to get all 162 games in without extending the season. With universal DH now, are they expanding the active roster so you can both cover your DH and have extra pitchers on your roster for the more games in a condensed period of time?
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Somebody told me MLB is going to do double headers to get all 162 games in without extending the season. With universal DH now, are they expanding the active roster so you can both cover your DH and have extra pitchers on your roster for the more games in a condensed period of time?
There’s been discussions about going to 28 this season.
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Somebody told me MLB is going to do double headers to get all 162 games in without extending the season. With universal DH now, are they expanding the active roster so you can both cover your DH and have extra pitchers on your roster for the more games in a condensed period of time?
I think each team has 5 or 6 games to make up. Regular season was extended 3 days, the other make up games will be part of double headers.
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I think each team has 5 or 6 games to make up. Regular season was extended 3 days, the other make up games will be part of double headers.
There’s been discussions about going to 28 this season.
Got it, thanks. A couple extra spots would seem enough then.
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Read today that Ken Griffey Jr. is the 6th highest paid player on the Reds this season, despite retiring in 2010.
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Somebody told me MLB is going to do double headers to get all 162 games in without extending the season. With universal DH now, are they expanding the active roster so you can both cover your DH and have extra pitchers on your roster for the more games in a condensed period of time?
Real doubleheaders or those greedy day/night doubleheader? I'm nostalgic for those twilight Friday night doubleheaders and the Sunday afternoon doubleheaders.
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Read today that Ken Griffey Jr. is the 6th highest paid player on the Reds this season, despite retiring in 2010.
The 2032 Green Bay Packers have entered the chat.
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Real doubleheaders or those greedy day/night doubleheader? I'm nostalgic for those twilight Friday night doubleheaders and the Sunday afternoon doubleheaders.
We'll probably see some of each. Either way, all doubleheader games are back to nine innings!
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We'll probably see some of each. Either way, all doubleheader games are back to nine innings!
With the Yankee payroll I doubt I'll see a doubleheader at the Stadium.
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The 2032 Green Bay Packers have entered the chat.
Ehehehehehehheehhe
*crying sounds*
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Its pretty disheartening to see Oakland tear a team down to the studs that won 86, 97 (prorated), and 96 games the last three years and that ZiPS had in the low to mid 80s in February.
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Its pretty disheartening to see Oakland tear a team down to the studs that won 86, 97 (prorated), and 96 games the last three years and that ZiPS had in the low to mid 80s in February.
The owner can make waaaay more money by losing. As a fan, you are inconsequential to the equation. The richest owners shove cash into the pockets of the ‘hustler’ owners.
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The owner can make waaaay more money by losing. As a fan, you are inconsequential to the equation. The richest owners shove cash into the pockets of the ‘hustler’ owners.
I think the most disheartening part about it is that the ink isn't even dry on the new CBA.
As a fan, I wish the MLBPA would give up fighting a salary cap, and instead shift into a mode of leveraging its willingness to institute a hard cap to get as big a piece of the pie under that structure as they can. This no cap, no salary floor thing is getting tiresome.
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I think the most disheartening part about it is that the ink isn't even dry on the new CBA.
As a fan, I wish the MLBPA would give up fighting a salary cap, and instead shift into a mode of leveraging its willingness to institute a hard cap to get as big a piece of the pie under that structure as they can. This no cap, no salary floor thing is getting tiresome.
A salary floor is preferable.
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A salary floor is preferable.
Not for the small market fans. Although a floor is fine, a floor with no cap still allows the large markets to dominate year after year.
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Ultimately a floor and cap will go together. If there is a meaningful floor, the small market teams will require a cap with luxury tax penalties to fund revenue sharing which is distributed to the small market teams to keep their salaries above the floor.
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Not for the small market fans. Although a floor is fine, a floor with no cap still allows the large markets to dominate year after year.
Small market fans would at least have teams that try to compete. The large market teams would have way less of an advantage.
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That Kris Bryant/Colorado marriage won’t end well.
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That Kris Bryant/Colorado marriage won’t end well.
Didn’t they trade a better 3B (Arenado) to dump a similar contract? Weird.
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That Kris Bryant/Colorado marriage won’t end well.
Good for Kris getting his bag, but what in the hell are the Rockies doing
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Unreal.
There is a reason they suck every year. This is a perfect example.
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Didn’t they trade a better 3B (Arenado) to dump a similar contract? Weird.
Arenado has 5 years, $164 Million left on his deal. And, Colorado is still paying part of that too.
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My God, the Dodgers will be a problem.
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My God, the Dodgers will be a problem.
Bellinger won the MVP 3 years ago and he's projected to be the 6th/7th best hitter in their lineup. Yikes.
But look at it this way. Last season they won 106 games, which wasn't even good enough for them to avoid the wild card game. Then they got beaten pretty soundly in the NLCS by the Braves who won just 88 games but played pretty much flawlessly through the playoffs.
Their division won't be as tough this year, but baseball is great because anything can happen.
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The Brewers released their revised schedule yesterday and there's only one doubleheader. It's a traditional DH on Thursday Sept 8 against the Giants starting at 3:30 pm. So no split day/night DHs unless there's a road rain makeup somewhere.
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Bellinger won the MVP 3 years ago and he's projected to be the 6th/7th best hitter in their lineup. Yikes.
Their division won't be as tough this year, but baseball is great because anything can happen.
Yup, there will be bumps in their road, too. But I have to say that for as much money as they have, I love how they spend it. They grow their own talent really well - Will Smith, Gavin Lux, Julio Urias, Dustin May, Tony Gonsolin, Corey Seager though he's gone now - and then they use their money to sign low variance, professional-ass hitters like Freeman, Betts, and re-signing Justin Turner. They know how talented they are, so they'd rather overpay a bit for gradual decline than pay for risk, which is really smart in their position imo. The only signing that sticks out is Bauer (I'm even fine with them taking on that Price contract - he'll always give you something and doesn't seem like a headcase). The Bauer signing is how these big market teams usually do business and I think was a lesson for the Dodgers to stick with their philosophy.
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The Athletic's Chris Branch on Bryant signing with the Rockies:
More than 18 hours later, I struggle to wrap my head around Kris Bryant’s new seven-year, $182 million contract with the Colorado Rockies. There are two immovable — for now — forces here:
Bryant, 30, is a former MVP and World Series winner. He’s an All-Star talent who can still hit fastballs to the moon. He’s not a 37-year-old has-been looking for a nice, lush retirement home.
The Rockies are bad. They are mere months removed from trading superstar third baseman Nolan Arenado for pennies on the dollar and letting talented shortstop Trevor Story walk to free agency for nothing instead of trading him at the deadline last season. Both moves were baffling at the time. They’re even more confusing now.
And this is where Bryant wanted to go? Sure, Bryant could hit 30-40 homers a season in the thin Colorado air. And sure, maybe other offers didn’t get close to $182 million. But still — what makes him believe these Rockies can contend anytime soon?
The Athletic’s Keith Law said it best: “I have no objection to owners spending money on players, but the Rockies are going to pay Bryant a lot of money to make them a more watchable last-place team.”
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Stfu
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I think Bryant's decision makes a ton of sense - its all about the full no trade clause. He extracts a "bad organization premium" from the Rockies, who I'm willing to bet offered significantly more years and money than anyone else. He goes to Coors, which will inflate his numbers - his hard hit rate is actually pretty bad for a player of his caliber, and in Coors a ton of those will fall for hits. That inflation will keep him in demand, and when the Rockies turn it all over again - which will happen - the full no trade clause allows him to choose his destination among interested contenders. So he gets his bag and basically gets to choose what team pays him that money in a couple of years.
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I think Bryant's decision makes a ton of sense - its all about the full no trade clause. He extracts a "bad organization premium" from the Rockies, who I'm willing to bet offered significantly more years and money than anyone else. He goes to Coors, which will inflate his numbers - his hard hit rate is actually pretty bad for a player of his caliber, and in Coors a ton of those will fall for hits. That inflation will keep him in demand, and when the Rockies turn it all over again - which will happen - the full no trade clause allows him to choose his destination among interested contenders. So he gets his bag and basically gets to choose what team pays him that money in a couple of years.
Interesting take Burrow, and quite plausible.
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I think the Tigers' 1 year, $5.5 million deal with Pineda with innings pitched bonuses is the first deal I've seen this offseason where I went - "damn, I wish the Brewers had made that exact deal."
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I think the Tigers' 1 year, $5.5 million deal with Pineda with innings pitched bonuses is the first deal I've seen this offseason where I went - "damn, I wish the Brewers had made that exact deal."
Why? He might not make the rotation. >:(
I get your larger point, though.
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Twins sign Correa - guess they’re serious about competing this year.
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From The Athletic:
From the “things you don’t want to hear your $330 million player say” file: When Fernando Tatís Jr. was asked when the motorcycle accident that could keep him out for several months occurred, he responded, “Which one?”
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Trevor Story to the Red Sox.
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Trevor Story to the Red Sox.
I believe they are trying to alienate every Red Sox fan. I think this means this is Bogaerts' last season with the Red Sox. Bogey ought to move to second or third, because he doesn't have the arm for short, but I'd rather have our guys stay rather than get similar guys who aren't out guys. At least they finally did something.
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I believe they are trying to alienate every Red Sox fan. I think this means this is Bogaerts' last season with the Red Sox. Bogey ought to move to second or third, because he doesn't have the arm for short, but I'd rather have our guys stay rather than get similar guys who aren't out guys. At least they finally did something.
Yeah this kind of feels like a worse version of the Dodgers bringing in Turner during Seager's contract year. The money on Story isn't as awful as it could have been, but there's a reason he only got 25% less money than Correa for one-half the years.
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Brewers settled with nine of their ten arbitration eligible players:
Hader = $11M
Renfroe = $7.65M
Woodruff = $6.8M
Burnes = $6.5M
Navarez = $5M
Adamas = $4.6M
Suter = $2.7M
Urias = $2.55M
Lauer = $2.425M
Adrian Houser was the only player that did not settle, so his case will go to arbitration.
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ALBERT PUJOLS SIGNS A 1 YEAR DEAL WITH THE CARDS.
HE'S BACK. BABY!
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ALBERT PUJOLS SIGNS A 1 YEAR DEAL WITH THE CARDS.
HE'S BACK. BABY!
So, he’s no longer a trader (using Cardinals fan vernacular)?
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ALBERT PUJOLS SIGNS A 1 YEAR DEAL WITH THE CARDS.
HE'S BACK. BABY!
Steroid sales in St. Louis just went through the roof.
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14 paragraphs coming on his importance to the game as well as why he will win the triple crown.
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14 paragraphs coming on his importance to the game as well as why he will win the triple crown.
I need 1 word as to why he'll win the triple crown.
Steroids.
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Cardinals fans googling on to unburn a jersey today.
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14 paragraphs coming on his importance to the game as well as why he will win the triple crown.
Well done.
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Spaceman Lands!
Ya gotta love these videos of 75-year-old Bill Lee coming out of the stands - beer in hand - to strike out a batter in a game:
https://twitter.com/TheSavBananas/status/1509153481373880321?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=3966734&email_login=mikenadel%40sbcglobal.net
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz0a4VF0Cz0
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So is St. Louis going the NBA route now??
Get the two best players alive - Yadier & Albert - and build a championship team around them?
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So is St. Louis going the NBA route now??
Get the two best players alive ever - Yadier & Albert - and build a championship team around them?
FIFY
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So is St. Louis going the NBA route now??
Get the two best players alive - Yadier & Albert - and build a championship team around them?
Yeah, it's working so well for the Lakers.
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Yeah, it's working so well for the Lakers.
Yadi's a better GM than LeBron.
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Craig Kimbrell to the Dodgers for AJ Polloick.
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Craig Kimbrell to the Dodgers for AJ Polloick.
Love this trade.
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Love this trade.
Same.
Having Pollock potentially under control for two years at $10 million each is nice.
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Essentially you traded Madrigal for Pollock.
Rick Hahn is great. It’s really a shame that Reinsdorf went over his head to hire LaRussa
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I'm glad the White Sox RF talk is finally over, it's just been an island of misfit toys for a while. I don't expect Pollock to be a superstar, but if he can maintain 3.0 WAR, I'm in.
The Kimbrel gamble was worth the chance they took, he just did not work out, and it happens. The Sox will save a little bit of money too, and have a very reasonable option on Pollock for 2023.
As far as Crochet, I always thought it was "when" never "if" he was going to need Tommy John. I think most Sox fans thought for sure when he walked off the mound in Oakland in the 2020 playoffs, that was going to be the moment. Certainly will miss him this season, but they do have great bullpen depth, and a bunch of guys in the minors who are ready.
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Same.
Having Pollock potentially under control for two years at $10 million each is nice.
I also love the trade but isn’t 2023 a player’s option?
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I also love the trade but isn’t 2023 a player’s option?
Yes. That's why I said potentially under control.
I imagine it would take a really outstanding showing out of Pollock this year to beat $10 million on the open market as a 35-year-old outfielder in 2023. Right now, that $10 million makes him the 24th highest paid outfielder in MLB next year.
But if it happens, it's good news for the 2022 White Sox.
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Yes. That's why I said potentially under control.
I imagine it would take a really outstanding showing out of Pollock this year to beat $10 million on the open market as a 35-year-old outfielder in 2023. Right now, that $10 million makes him the 24th highest paid outfielder in MLB next year.
But if it happens, it's good news for the 2022 White Sox.
The buyout is $5 million though so he’d only need to find a 1 yr $6 million deal to come out ahead. Either way the money is at worst $1 million cheaper than Kimbrel and fills a need so still a good deal. If he has a solid AJ Pollock-type season I think he and the Sox would figure out a way to run it back next year.
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Happy Anniversary!
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1511794756145324040?s=21&t=csiHytBj6uG-2r3iu4WJVQ
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The Cardinal Way.
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Guessin'...Astros Win the AL West, again. The As dismantled/dropped back, Rangers got better and Angels...will be the Angels. Seattle will be hard to call...but clearly near the top w/us.
Going into opening days there a just a few Astro story lines;;
Will Justin Verlander return from TJohn surgery to dominance?
Not likely as history shows it takes more time...maybe he does late in the year
Will Lance McCullers return from the gruesome forearm injury suffered in the ALCS?
Well yes but dont rush...All Star time is what we should hope for
Will R SSJeremy Pena coming up maybe a year early perform ok and have Houston thinking it will be survivable to let Correa go for the big bucks/ Twins ?
Maybe...Pena's 2022 spring line is : .389/.421/.778 through 19 plate appearances. He slashed .287/.346/.598 with 10 homers and five steals in just 30 Triple-A games last year. First time through the league will tell a lot.
The rest of last years WSeries team returns...Tucker will be one to watch, as he and Yordan Alvarez are heading into their big$$ contract years
(also Why Correa couldve never gotten $35mil/Year here... we needed it for these two, in the longer run)
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It's a great day.
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The last season of Yadier Molina begins. I hope you all appreciate what real leadership looks like.
Would you trade him for Mike Trout?
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The last season of Yadier Molina begins. I hope you all appreciate what real leadership looks like.
Would you trade him for Mike Trout?
Oh heck no!
Yadi is an institution. Kinda like the Arch, toasted ravioli or industry leaving town. Plus, when you have Goldschmidt and Nolan, we're fine.
The Cardinals will be good this year. How good depends on when Flaherty is back and how well the bullpen holds up. Also would be nice to get more from the middle infield.
I like this team 8-) !
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#23 Ted Simmons gets added to the Hall of Fame wall.
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Prediction: Brewers will win 100 games this year.
Best pitching staff in the majors, looks like a better offensive team than last year's 95 win season, and the division looks to be weaker (Reds, Cubs and Pirates don't look to be very competitive).
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Prediction: Brewers will win 100 games this year.
Best pitching staff in the majors, looks like a better offensive team than last year's 95 win season, and the division looks to be weaker (Reds, Cubs and Pirates don't look to be very competitive).
I think low 90s, unless Yelich can regain his bat.
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So much for Corbin starting the season the way he did last year.
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#23 Ted Simmons gets added to the Hall of Fame wall.
The most amazing thing about that picture to me is that Rogers Hornsby had a stint with the Cards as late as 1933, but apparently did not wear a number with them. Baseball Reference appears to indicate that he never wore a number with anybody. I thought by the 30s everyone wore numbers.
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The most amazing thing about that picture to me is that Rogers Hornsby had a stint with the Cards as late as 1933, but apparently did not wear a number with them. Baseball Reference appears to indicate that he never wore a number with anybody. I thought by the 30s everyone wore numbers.
I think the Yankees were the first to do it. Have to imagine the Cardinals were the last to do it to honor the traditions of the game
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The most amazing thing about that picture to me is that Rogers Hornsby had a stint with the Cards as late as 1933, but apparently did not wear a number with them. Baseball Reference appears to indicate that he never wore a number with anybody. I thought by the 30s everyone wore numbers.
You may find this interesting about Hornsby, his number(s), MLB etc...
https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2020/5/13/21257121/what-uniform-number-did-rogers-hornsby-wear
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I think the Yankees were the first to do it. Have to imagine the Cardinals were the last to do it to honor the traditions of the game
😂😂😂
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The most amazing thing about that picture to me is that Rogers Hornsby had a stint with the Cards as late as 1933, but apparently did not wear a number with them. Baseball Reference appears to indicate that he never wore a number with anybody. I thought by the 30s everyone wore numbers.
SL - Is that Roman numerals?
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Yelich should be batting 7th or 8th.
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Yelich should be batting 7th or 8th.
Yep. There's a season and a half worth of evidence now. It's just Counsell being stubborn.
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Yelich should be batting 7th or 8th.
It’s only 1 game but man does that swing look bad.
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Brewers are pretenders. ;)
In all seriousness, they're going to need to add a bat or two. They should win a terrible NL Central on the strength of their pitching but that lineup does not strike fear into anyone.
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https://twitter.com/nationals/status/1512263141098500098?s=21&t=UVXRlJHf7uSvTRzQt_SbQg
Man, if this kid did this at Busch Stadium, Cardinals fans would crucify him for showboating
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You may find this interesting about Hornsby, his number(s), MLB etc...
https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2020/5/13/21257121/what-uniform-number-did-rogers-hornsby-wear
I did. Thanks for posting!
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It’s only 1 game but man does that swing look bad.
Whatda ewe want fore $26 bigs ones/yeer, hey?
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Yep. There's a season and a half worth of evidence now. It's just Counsell being stubborn.
Yeah, part of it is being stubborn but part of it is just being pot committed, too. I agree the time is drawing nigh to admit where things are at with Yelich, but I think Counsell wants to say that he erred on the side of being too patient and gave Yelich every benefit he could to turn things around. Its not like the Brewers have great heart of the lineup options, so given how tied the Brewers fortunes are to Yelich you'd hate to jump the gun to swap Yelich in the lineup with like, Rowdy Tellez or slightly above replacement level platoon options like Mike Brosseau.
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As one who doesn't follow the Brewers, quick question: What happened to Yelich? Does he have lingering injuries? Did pitchers figure him out and now he can't adjust? Has he suffered a crisis of confidence? A combination of things?
Guys don't usually go from MVP-level to crud in their late-20s/early-30s, which should be the prime of their careers.
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As one who doesn't follow the Brewers, quick question: What happened to Yelich? Does he have lingering injuries? Did pitchers figure him out and now he can't adjust? Has he suffered a crisis of confidence? A combination of things?
Guys don't usually go from MVP-level to crud in their late-20s/early-30s, which should be the prime of their careers.
I subscribe to one of two theories-
1) He broke into Braunie's locker in 2018.
2) After the broken kneecap, he's bailing out towards RF when he swings to try and protect the knee.
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As one who doesn't follow the Brewers, quick question: What happened to Yelich? Does he have lingering injuries? Did pitchers figure him out and now he can't adjust? Has he suffered a crisis of confidence? A combination of things?
Guys don't usually go from MVP-level to crud in their late-20s/early-30s, which should be the prime of their careers.
MLB cracked down on sign stealing.
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Oh heck no!
Yadi is an institution. Kinda like the Arch, toasted ravioli or industry leaving town.
What a convincing analogy!
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I subscribe to one of two theories-
1) He broke into Braunie's locker in 2018.
2) After the broken kneecap, he's bailing out towards RF when he swings to try and protect the knee.
Players are not allowed to view videos of their previous at bats during the game.
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I subscribe to one of two theories-
1) He broke into Braunie's locker in 2018.
2) After the broken kneecap, he's bailing out towards RF when he swings to try and protect the knee.
Maybe Brewers-colored glasses, but I think its #2. When you look at his stats and batted ball profile through 2019 and then you look at 2020, things get all cattywampus, and last year is sort of an ineffective middle ground between the two. I'm not sure if the injury hangover is mental or if it is physical - he is built a bit like a house of cards and I wouldn't be surprised if his knee-back or alignment are off. But he got that freak injury and hasn't been the same.
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I assume it’s a nice sunny day in Chicago today based on the postponement?
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Yep, rainy and 40.
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I assume it’s a nice sunny day in Chicago today based on the postponement?
They only do that when they’re quickly blowing a division lead down the stretch of the season. Not during an undefeated season.
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Yep, rainy and 40.
Mixing in some snow flurries, too.
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Maybe Brewers-colored glasses, but I think its #2. When you look at his stats and batted ball profile through 2019 and then you look at 2020, things get all cattywampus, and last year is sort of an ineffective middle ground between the two. I'm not sure if the injury hangover is mental or if it is physical - he is built a bit like a house of cards and I wouldn't be surprised if his knee-back or alignment are off. But he got that freak injury and hasn't been the same.
Seems like a reasonable theory. If so, that's unfortunate for him, and even more unfortunate for the Brewers.
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It’s just one game, but that’s a brutal White Sox loss.
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It’s just one game, but that’s a brutal White Sox loss.
Or a glorious Tiger win.
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It’s just one game, but that’s a brutal White Sox loss.
Especially if Giolito is out for any significant time.
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And the White Sox being snake bitten. Y injuries rolls into 2022.
Lynn, Giolito, Moncada, and Pollock all out within two games.
Unreal.
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As one who doesn't follow the Brewers, quick question: What happened to Yelich? Does he have lingering injuries? Did pitchers figure him out and now he can't adjust? Has he suffered a crisis of confidence? A combination of things?
Guys don't usually go from MVP-level to crud in their late-20s/early-30s, which should be the prime of their careers.
Probably got off the juice after signing the big contract. Peddle his ass, aina?
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Please god
Just keep Byron Buxton healthy.
Its better for the game.
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Probably got off the juice after signing the big contract. Peddle his ass, aina?
You're boring.
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As one who doesn't follow the Brewers, quick question: What happened to Yelich? Does he have lingering injuries? Did pitchers figure him out and now he can't adjust? Has he suffered a crisis of confidence? A combination of things?
Guys don't usually go from MVP-level to crud in their late-20s/early-30s, which should be the prime of their careers.
Tell it to Cody Bellinger.
Seriously, Yelich was a good hitter in Miami who suddenly became great (with much more power) in Milwaukee. That in itself seemed suspicious. His falling off a cliff offensively make those suspicions more likely.
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Tell it to Cody Bellinger.
Seriously, Yelich was a good hitter in Miami who suddenly became great (with much more power) in Milwaukee. That in itself seemed suspicious. His falling off a cliff offensively make those suspicions more likely.
He moved from a pitcher friendly park to an extremely friendly hitters park, moved to a division with easier starting pitching and then had a couple bad injuries.
No one knows if his success was legit, but it’s easy to explain the success without casting doubt on it.
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Please god
Just keep Byron Buxton healthy.
Its better for the game.
More importantly, it’s better for my fantasy team.
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Devin Williams and Josh Hader are just too good.
If the Brewers can find a way to hit this year they are going to be tough to beat.
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Tell it to Cody Bellinger.
Seriously, Yelich was a good hitter in Miami who suddenly became great (with much more power) in Milwaukee. That in itself seemed suspicious. His falling off a cliff offensively make those suspicions more likely.
Oh no, lets not get wades to go down this hole again.
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Oh no, lets not get wades to go down this hole again.
Arrieta. Arrieta. Arrieta. Arrieta. ;)
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Arrieta. Arrieta. Arrieta. Arrieta. ;)
Isn't that the family name in Dune? If you say it four times, does sand appear?
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He moved from a pitcher friendly park to an extremely friendly hitters park, moved to a division with easier starting pitching and then had a couple bad injuries.
No one knows if his success was legit, but it’s easy to explain the success without casting doubt on it.
I'm not saying he was juicing or anything, but I think its more than just easier pitching and a better ballpark. He went from a solid hitter to a 2 year stretch where he was absolutely terrifying to the opposition. I mean his OPS and OPS+ just launched upwards.
Its unfortunate whatever happened, because I really like him on and off the field, even as a Cubs fan.
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Anybody see this bat breaking swing? Impressed he hung onto it. Crazy:
https://twitter.com/Rangers/status/1513234126551326731
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Yeli and Keston both need to get back on the juice stat. Braun leaves and both stink. 🤔
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Yeli and Keston both need to get back on the juice stat. Braun leaves and both stink. 🤔
I appreciate this post more than you can imagine
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Twins should have a new 3B coach by the next half inning.
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Since I am a Twins fan. Dont think I can jinx.
Kershaw absolutely carving them up
Perfect through 6
12 Ks. 69 pitches.
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Roberts pulls him after 7 perfect innings. Inexcusable imo.
IDC if its first start of the year.
No hitter? Sure. Those are kinda dime a dozen now.
Perfect game?? Embarrassing.
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Agreed. And after only 80 pitches.
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......aaaaaand, the perfect game is spoiled by the reliever on his second batter in the 8th.
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I'm not saying he was juicing or anything, but I think its more than just easier pitching and a better ballpark. He went from a solid hitter to a 2 year stretch where he was absolutely terrifying to the opposition. I mean his OPS and OPS+ just launched upwards.
Its unfortunate whatever happened, because I really like him on and off the field, even as a Cubs fan.
Playing at miller park and then against the pirates and at great American ball park will do wonders for batting confidence/metrics.
He finally looks healthy this season and I expect similar numbers to his two Uber seasons with the brewers.
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Roberts pulls him after 7 perfect innings. Inexcusable imo.
IDC if its first start of the year.
No hitter? Sure. Those are kinda dime a dozen now.
Perfect game?? Embarrassing.
I'm losing my interest in pro sports with stunts like these. People pay good money to see the best play and then not be able to see the best perform on the field in appalling.
https://nypost.com/2022/04/13/clayton-kershaw-pulled-from-dodgers-start-after-7-perfect-innings/
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Meh. Shortened spring training. Most starters are on a pitch count. If they had stretched him and he tweaked something in pursuit of a personal accomplishment, they could be without him for an extended period. I commend the manager for putting the long term needs of the team first.
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According to Roberts, he and Kershaw talked after the 6th inning. And Kershaw told Roberts he wanted to go back out for the 7th — and that he had a pitch limit of 80-85 in mind.
Kershaw said later that it’s about the whole season and that it would have been “selfish” to pursue the perfect game.
So say what y’all want about what happened … but don’t blame Roberts.
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According to Roberts, he and Kershaw talked after the 6th inning. And Kershaw told Roberts he wanted to go back out for the 7th — and that he had a pitch limit of 80-85 in mind.
Kershaw said later that it’s about the whole season and that it would have been “selfish” to pursue the perfect game.
Kershaw basically said the same thing I did. Cool.
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I'm losing my interest in pro sports with stunts like these. People pay good money to see the best play and then not be able to see the best perform on the field in appalling.
https://nypost.com/2022/04/13/clayton-kershaw-pulled-from-dodgers-start-after-7-perfect-innings/
So YOU are willing to risk HIS health for your enjoyment.
Isn't that special?
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kershaw is the consummate pro. He’s not going to show up his manger in front of the press.
80 pitches is absolutely nothing for a veteran guy like Clayton. This isn’t 1973 where guys need a month and a half of spring training to get stretched out. They work as hard or harder with their own guys in the off-season.
I wouldn’t be disappointed if it was a no hitter, but you can’t pull him at 80 with a perfect game. I don’t care what the circumstances are. That is an incredible achievement Roberts robbed Kershaw of.
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They could’ve given him his next 3 starts off if they were worried about arm fatigue. They’ll still win 110 games.
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According to Roberts, he and Kershaw talked after the 6th inning. And Kershaw told Roberts he wanted to go back out for the 7th — and that he had a pitch limit of 80-85 in mind.
Kershaw said later that it’s about the whole season and that it would have been “selfish” to pursue the perfect game.
So say what y’all want about what happened … but don’t blame Roberts.
Ha what do you think Kershaw is going to say?
Roberts is the same clown who brings his starters back on 2 days rest to pitch out of the bullpen instead of using his relievers.
Guy is an idiot. Hes more than OK with arms falling off, just wants it in October to lose big games instead.
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Are we just assuming that Kershaw is saying things not to contradict his manager or is there evidence that he was upset or frustrated?
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Absolutely no evidence that Kershaw was upset about the move.
Kershaw is 34, has a lot of mileage, and missed pretty much all last season with arm problems. He wants to be around this entire season and be a contributor in the playoffs.
But some want to assume Roberts is a liar and Kershaw just a dutiful accessory to the lie.
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No issues with pulling Kershaw.
June, let him ride. April, 2nd start. Pitch count is smart.
Surprised Counsell let burned go as long as he did tonight.
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AL MVP race between Vlad, Robert, Buxton is going to be fun.
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So YOU are willing to risk HIS health for your enjoyment.
Isn't that special?
Horsecrap.
It's all in how you pitch. Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Ferguson Jenkins, Don Drysdale, Juan Marichal, Steve Carlton and Bert Blyleven pitched complete games on opening day regularly. These guys pitched 300 innings regularly. Hell, Gibson had a 1.12 ERA in 1968 and was so overpowering that Baseball changed the rules by lowering the mound.
If Red Schoendiest came out to get Gibson for any reason, Gibson would be one of the orneriest human beings around.
So don't give me this nonsense. Stop whining and start pitching!
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I am shocked the Cardinals fan is stuck in the 1960’s way of thinking.
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I am shocked the Cardinals fan is stuck in the 1960’s way of thinking.
Bravo! Brafuggino!
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Should have pitched Rick Ankiel 300 innings, too. That would have fixed him.
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No issues with pulling Kershaw.
June, let him ride. April, 2nd start. Pitch count is smart.
Our annual day of agreement. Woo Hoo!
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Horsecrap.
It's all in how you pitch. Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Ferguson Jenkins, Don Drysdale, Juan Marichal, Steve Carlton and Bert Blyleven pitched complete games on opening day regularly. These guys pitched 300 innings regularly. Hell, Gibson had a 1.12 ERA in 1968 and was so overpowering that Baseball changed the rules by lowering the mound.
If Red Schoendiest came out to get Gibson for any reason, Gibson would be one of the orneriest human beings around.
So don't give me this nonsense. Stop whining and start pitching!
More "we were tough guys back in my day" nonsense.
Drysdale was done at 32. Marichal was just another Guy by 34. Fidrych threw 24 complete games at 21 years old. At 22, he was done. Mark Prior was useless by 24. Kerry Wood by 25. Koufax done at 30.
The list of these sissies go on and on and on.
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Should have pitched Rick Ankiel 300 innings, too. That would have fixed him.
Beats putting him in the outfield.
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Horsecrap.
It's all in how you pitch. Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Ferguson Jenkins, Don Drysdale, Juan Marichal, Steve Carlton and Bert Blyleven pitched complete games on opening day regularly. These guys pitched 300 innings regularly. Hell, Gibson had a 1.12 ERA in 1968 and was so overpowering that Baseball changed the rules by lowering the mound.
If Red Schoendiest came out to get Gibson for any reason, Gibson would be one of the orneriest human beings around.
So don't give me this nonsense. Stop whining and start pitching!
Chuck Bednarik used to play both ways in the NFL too. The game evolves.
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Horsecrap.
It's all in how you pitch. Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Ferguson Jenkins, Don Drysdale, Juan Marichal, Steve Carlton and Bert Blyleven pitched complete games on opening day regularly. These guys pitched 300 innings regularly. Hell, Gibson had a 1.12 ERA in 1968 and was so overpowering that Baseball changed the rules by lowering the mound.
If Red Schoendiest came out to get Gibson for any reason, Gibson would be one of the orneriest human beings around.
So don't give me this nonsense. Stop whining and start pitching!
Baseball was better when popcorn was a nickel
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More "we were tough guys back in my day" nonsense.
Drysdale was done at 32. Marichal was just another Guy by 34. Fidrych threw 24 complete games at 21 years old. At 22, he was done. Mark Prior was useless by 24. Kerry Wood by 25. Koufax done at 30.
The list of these sissies go on and on and on.
Brother Jockey:
Injuries are as much a part of pitching today as they were in the 1960s. The good news is sports medicine has advanced rapidly and pitchers who in the 1960s would have been washed up, today get treatment and surgeries that prolong their careers.
That said, Gibson and Seaver were remarkably free of injuries. For Gibson, as I recall, his only trip to the DL was in 1967. He went to the DL because Roberto Clemente bounced a line drive off his shinbone. Koufax injured his pitching elbow in a sliding mishap in 1962 (I believe) and had to ice it down after every game to reduce swelling. He walked away from the game in 1967 at the top of his game. I believe he won 27 games that year.
Drysdale had a rotator cuff injury. Like, that doesn't happen today!
Fidrych, I believe, was injured in his second season and rushed back by Management of the Detroit Tigers because he was worth a near sell-out at Tiger Stadium. At a time when 18,000 fans in the park was a good draw. Because he came back too soon Fidrych's mechanics changed and he hurt his arm. He was the never the same
We can go back and forth in a pitching bull session all night. What I will say is pitching longevity is a combination of luck, control and mechanics. When the mechanics of a person's delivery change, the potential for injury increases as a pitcher puts unnecessary strain on muscles, tendons and bones.
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Prediction: Brewers will win 100 games this year.
Best pitching staff in the majors, looks like a better offensive team than last year's 95 win season, and the division looks to be weaker (Reds, Cubs and Pirates don't look to be very competitive).
Hope not, but I do fear I lit some money on fire last month with my 88.5 U wager.
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So I know we can all argue all day on the topic with both sides having points. But my last thing about the Kershaw pulling, is that there is really nothing historically to back it up in terms of "being safe".
Passan is talking about it on sporscenter now as well. How hes done four years of research and there is nothing out there about why arms break down and the causes.
There is absolutely nothing to support that by Kershaw throwing 25 extra pitches on April 12th his arm is more likely to give out.
2nd inning of his next start it could be bye bye elbow regardless. It can happen in a bullpen session.
Baseball in regards to pitching has turned far too much into safe "assumption" rather than feel of the current game. Whether its protecting pitchers from injury or pulling a pitcher because stats say third time through is bad. Even though those stats blantantly dont account for a pitcher being dominant that current start.
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Horsecrap.
It's all in how you pitch. Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Ferguson Jenkins, Don Drysdale, Juan Marichal, Steve Carlton and Bert Blyleven pitched complete games on opening day regularly. These guys pitched 300 innings regularly. Hell, Gibson had a 1.12 ERA in 1968 and was so overpowering that Baseball changed the rules by lowering the mound.
If Red Schoendiest came out to get Gibson for any reason, Gibson would be one of the orneriest human beings around.
So don't give me this nonsense. Stop whining and start pitching!
Brother dgies,
Pitchers in general throw much harder than they did when we were young, so much more stress on elbows and shoulders. Hitters swing harder, too. Oblique injuries? Never heard of one until maybe 6 or 7 years ago. Today they’re common.
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Brother dgies,
Pitchers in general throw much harder than they did when we were young, so much more stress on elbows and shoulders. Hitters swing harder, too. Oblique injuries? Never heard of one until maybe 6 or 7 years ago. Today they’re common.
I don't think they had speed guns back in the 30s, 40s, or 50s to compare how hard a pitcher is pitching. So there is no way to know. Carl Yastrzemski batted just 301 in 1968 to win the AL batting title. The pitchers back then must have pitched pretty hard to keep an entire league batting under 300 for a season, or every batter just had trouble with the curve?
...and Yaz played at Fenway a hitters park.
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I don't think they had speed guns back in the 30s, 40s, or 50s to compare how hard a pitcher is pitching. So there is no way to know. Carl Yastrzemski batted just 301 in 1968 to win the AL batting title. The pitchers back then must have pitched pretty hard to keep an entire league batting under 300 for a season, or every batter just had trouble with the curve?
...and Yaz played at Fenway a hitters park.
The mound was taller and the strike zone was bigger.
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AL MVP race between Vlad, Robert, Buxton is going to be fun.
Anderson says hello
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Brother dgies,
Pitchers in general throw much harder than they did when we were young, so much more stress on elbows and shoulders. Hitters swing harder, too. Oblique injuries? Never heard of one until maybe 6 or 7 years ago. Today they’re common.
Yep. And add to that the prevalence of curveballs and big sliders, which make your arm fall off.
For funsies, I tried to look up a little about Bob Gibson's pitch selection. Best I could find was that his fastball sat in the low 90s - around 92, and per a 1987 LA Times article he also had a "slider" that came in at around 90 mph. I am guessing that today we would characterize Gibson's slider as a cutter, which I believe is also generally a safer pitch to throw for arm health.
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The mound was taller and the strike zone was bigger.
I'll concede the mound but home plate has never changed in size so how could the strike zone be bigger. Don't tell me the umps had a bigger strike zone either. In 1968 there were about 9600 strikeouts and in 2019 there were about 21000 strikeouts in the AL. Even taking that the league is 50% bigger the number of strikeouts in 1968 would be about 14-15k.
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I'll concede the mound but home plate has never changed in size so how could the strike zone be bigger. Don't tell me the umps had a bigger strike zone either. In 1968 there were about 9600 strikeouts and in 2019 there were about 21000 strikeouts in the AL. Even taking that the league is 50% bigger the number of strikeouts in 1968 would be about 14-15k.
Brother Warrior:
But hitters are swinging for the fences in much greater proportion than they did in the 1960s. Blame steroids if you must, but they are. Back then, it was just before we saw the likes of Dave Kingman, the precursor of the modern hitter.
The strike zone has changed -- from the shoulders and knees when I was a kid to middle of the chest to the knees.
I'll also argue the talent is far more diluted than it was in 1968.
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I'll concede the mound but home plate has never changed in size so how could the strike zone be bigger. Don't tell me the umps had a bigger strike zone either. In 1968 there were about 9600 strikeouts and in 2019 there were about 21000 strikeouts in the AL. Even taking that the league is 50% bigger the number of strikeouts in 1968 would be about 14-15k.
Up until recently, umpires balls/strikes calls were not reviewed by the league which led to much more liberal, personalized, strike zones.
Now that umps are graded, it's a much more uniformed, tighter, accurate zone.
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Brother Jockey:
Injuries are as much a part of pitching today as they were in the 1960s. The good news is sports medicine has advanced rapidly and pitchers who in the 1960s would have been washed up, today get treatment and surgeries that prolong their careers.
That said, Gibson and Seaver were remarkably free of injuries. For Gibson, as I recall, his only trip to the DL was in 1967. He went to the DL because Roberto Clemente bounced a line drive off his shinbone. Koufax injured his pitching elbow in a sliding mishap in 1962 (I believe) and had to ice it down after every game to reduce swelling. He walked away from the game in 1967 at the top of his game. I believe he won 27 games that year.
Drysdale had a rotator cuff injury. Like, that doesn't happen today!
Fidrych, I believe, was injured in his second season and rushed back by Management of the Detroit Tigers because he was worth a near sell-out at Tiger Stadium. At a time when 18,000 fans in the park was a good draw. Because he came back too soon Fidrych's mechanics changed and he hurt his arm. He was the never the same
We can go back and forth in a pitching bull session all night. What I will say is pitching longevity is a combination of luck, control and mechanics. When the mechanics of a person's delivery change, the potential for injury increases as a pitcher puts unnecessary strain on muscles, tendons and bones.
I wasn't disagreeing 100% with what you said. But baseball is a different game today. There is way more stress on a pitcher's arm than there was 50 years ago - or even 20 years ago. With the high speed cameras available now, pitching is about velocity and spin.
Gibson averaged 92-95 mph on his fastball with the highest recording at 98. Guys now average 95-97 topping out at 100 or more.
Young pitchers simply can't throw as many innings as you want. Never could. Never will. Look at the Oakland A's when Billy Martin threw all of his young pitchers mega innings - 94 complete games. None was competitive again. Most were gone from the game within a couple years - still in their early to mid-20s.
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So YOU are willing to risk HIS health for your enjoyment.
Isn't that special?
Tell that to every fan that watches a prize fight or a hockey game or even a formula one auto race. What your saying is they watch to see these performers get hurt? That's like taking Markus Howard out of game because he can get hurt when he has chance to set scoring record. They want to see the best and the athletes know the risk of getting injured.
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I don't think they had speed guns back in the 30s, 40s, or 50s to compare how hard a pitcher is pitching. So there is no way to know. Carl Yastrzemski batted just 301 in 1968 to win the AL batting title. The pitchers back then must have pitched pretty hard to keep an entire league batting under 300 for a season, or every batter just had trouble with the curve?
...and Yaz played at Fenway a hitters park.
Dead ball, higher mound, bigger strike zone.
Joel Horlen and Gary Peters never hit 90 on their best day. In 1967 Horlen had a 2.08 ERA over 258 innings. Peter’s was 2.28 in 260.
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Up until recently, umpires balls/strikes calls were not reviewed by the league which led to much more liberal, personalized, strike zones.
Now that umps are graded, it's a much more uniformed, tighter, accurate zone.
So a more liberalized strike zone back then accounted for less strikeouts and lower batting averages?
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So a more liberalized strike zone back then accounted for less strikeouts and lower batting averages?
The strike zone is now uniform and graded daily which makes it much more consistent than it's ever been. That's a fact.
You can make assumptions beyond that fact, but they're just that, assumptions.
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I'll concede the mound but home plate has never changed in size so how could the strike zone be bigger. Don't tell me the umps had a bigger strike zone either. In 1968 there were about 9600 strikeouts and in 2019 there were about 21000 strikeouts in the AL. Even taking that the league is 50% bigger the number of strikeouts in 1968 would be about 14-15k.
The strike zone went from the shoulders to the bottom of the knees, to the armpits to the top of the knees.
And there are more strike outs now, in part, because of offensive philosophy putting a premium on the home run so players are swinging hard constantly.
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The strike zone is now uniform and graded daily which makes it much more consistent than it's ever been. That's a fact.
You can make assumptions beyond that fact, but they're just that, assumptions.
Some here are making the assumption that pitchers throw harder today than they did years ago. I don't see any facts to support that either way. Yeah, the game evolves but from my perspective not for the better. I saw 3 perfect games pitched in person; the most memorable when I was 9 and saw Don Larsen pitch his perfect game in the World Series in 1956. The other two were against the Mets when they were pretty bad, but we all knew we were witnessing something special. As a die hard Yankee fan I had have more than my share of winning. To watch the 63 Dodger pitching just destroy the Yanks that year was marvel to behold or the '69 Mets break the hearts of every Cub fan and then beat the Orioles in 5 who had the best pitching in either league that year was just amazing. To day its pitch counts, which batter has better stats against that reliever or starter. I believe the Yanks had 9 pitchers pitch in one playoff game a few seasons back and what was worse the guys that got them into playoffs were replaced by their high priced prima donnas that barely played half the season.
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Some here are making the assumption that pitchers throw harder today than they did years ago. I don't see any facts to support that either way. Yeah, the game evolves but from my perspective not for the better. I saw 3 perfect games pitched in person; the most memorable when I was 9 and saw Don Larsen pitch his perfect game in the World Series in 1956. The other two were against the Mets when they were pretty bad, but we all knew we were witnessing something special. As a die hard Yankee fan I had have more than my share of winning. To watch the 63 Dodger pitching just destroy the Yanks that year was marvel to behold or the '69 Mets break the hearts of every Cub fan and then beat the Orioles in 5 who had the best pitching in either league that year was just amazing. To day its pitch counts, which batter has better stats against that reliever or starter. I believe the Yanks had 9 pitchers pitch in one playoff game a few seasons back and what was worse the guys that got them into playoffs were replaced by their high priced prima donnas that barely played half the season.
I guess the modern game isn't for you then.
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I don't think they had speed guns back in the 30s, 40s, or 50s to compare how hard a pitcher is pitching. So there is no way to know. Carl Yastrzemski batted just 301 in 1968 to win the AL batting title. The pitchers back then must have pitched pretty hard to keep an entire league batting under 300 for a season, or every batter just had trouble with the curve?
...and Yaz played at Fenway a hitters park.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Major_League_Baseball_season
"The Year of the Pitcher"
I'm not sure that saying "hey the game that was fundamentally different in 1968 must be directly compared to the modern game to support the conclusion I want drawn" is really a strong position.
Is there really a debate here that the athletes of 2022 aren't better/faster/stronger than the athletes of 1968? This is the angle you're going for? If the statistical production of hitters in 1968 was low, and the statistical production of hitters in 2021 was low, therefore pitchers were subjecting their bodies to the same strains in 1968 as they did in 2021?
Look, I get the load management, pitch count, innings limited, restrict times through the batting order is frustrating at times. But there's a reason it's done, and it isn't because every manager and organization in baseball is in cahoots to make the game softer or because every pitcher in baseball got weak.
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Some here are making the assumption that pitchers throw harder today than they did years ago. I don't see any facts to support that either way. Yeah, the game evolves but from my perspective not for the better. I saw 3 perfect games pitched in person; the most memorable when I was 9 and saw Don Larsen pitch his perfect game in the World Series in 1956. The other two were against the Mets when they were pretty bad, but we all knew we were witnessing something special. As a die hard Yankee fan I had have more than my share of winning. To watch the 63 Dodger pitching just destroy the Yanks that year was marvel to behold or the '69 Mets break the hearts of every Cub fan and then beat the Orioles in 5 who had the best pitching in either league that year was just amazing. To day its pitch counts, which batter has better stats against that reliever or starter. I believe the Yanks had 9 pitchers pitch in one playoff game a few seasons back and what was worse the guys that got them into playoffs were replaced by their high priced prima donnas that barely played half the season.
I’m in my mid 30’s and I remember when a guy hitting 100 was a big deal. Now every team has a few guys who can bring it up there.
Guys are throwing harder now than ever. Unless we go off fans’ old fishing stories about baseball in the 50’s and 60’s.
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I'll concede the mound but home plate has never changed in size so how could the strike zone be bigger. Don't tell me the umps had a bigger strike zone either. In 1968 there were about 9600 strikeouts and in 2019 there were about 21000 strikeouts in the AL. Even taking that the league is 50% bigger the number of strikeouts in 1968 would be about 14-15k.
Strike zone was shoulders to knees in 1968 (probably called more like letters to knees. It is basically waist to knees now. Much bigger in 1968. Today's hitting philosophy (uppercut max power) could not be successful in 1968 with the strike zone going that high, so you didn't have 8 guys swinging for the fences like you do today. With the exception of Nolan Ryan, who is an absolute freak of nature, guys back then were not max effort every pitch guys. For the most part, you didn't have to worry too much about the opposition's catchers or middle infielders doing much damage, not to mention the pitchers.
As for Kershaw, Joe Posnanski put it best:
• Clayton Kershaw is 34 years old and has not made 30 starts in a season since 2015, which was “Cam Newton was the NFL MVP” years ago.
• Kershaw finished last season with his elbow barely intact. It was so bad that after the season ended, he did not pick up a baseball for three months. Rumors circulated that he might retire and I suspect he seriously considered it.
• He only began throwing again in January and did not feel confident that he could actually stay healthy enough to pitch until March.
• In a shortened spring training, he threw a grand total of 101 pitches. The most pitches he threw on any given day was 75, and that was in a simulated game, not exactly the same thing.
• Do you know when was the last time Clayton Kershaw threw a complete game? Go ahead, take a stab at it. It was July 9, 2017, against Kansas City. That’s almost five years, if you’re scoring at home.
• Oh yeah, it was like 30 degrees with a howling wind at Target Field
No, there was no possibility of Kershaw pitching nine innings, no matter how efficient he was, no matter how dominant he was, no matter what. That’s not analytics. That’s just plain common sense. Sure, I wish it was 1973 again. Sure I wish that starting pitchers still went the distance. Sure, I wish Clayton Kershaw was 21 again and spry enough to pitch all night.
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Some here are making the assumption that pitchers throw harder today than they did years ago. I don't see any facts to support that either way. Yeah, the game evolves but from my perspective not for the better. I saw 3 perfect games pitched in person; the most memorable when I was 9 and saw Don Larsen pitch his perfect game in the World Series in 1956. The other two were against the Mets when they were pretty bad, but we all knew we were witnessing something special. As a die hard Yankee fan I had have more than my share of winning. To watch the 63 Dodger pitching just destroy the Yanks that year was marvel to behold or the '69 Mets break the hearts of every Cub fan and then beat the Orioles in 5 who had the best pitching in either league that year was just amazing. To day its pitch counts, which batter has better stats against that reliever or starter. I believe the Yanks had 9 pitchers pitch in one playoff game a few seasons back and what was worse the guys that got them into playoffs were replaced by their high priced prima donnas that barely played half the season.
Mindful ignorance. EVERY expert will tell you that pitchers throw harder today. It's not even up for argument.
Even with a higher mound (which increased speed), it was no contest.
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Despite Donald Trump loving Adam Wainwright starting and super cheaters Albert Pujols and Yadier “Stick ‘em Molina in the lineup, the Brewers won their home opener tonight.
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Game 7 and Buxton hurt.
"Felt a pop"
Not good.
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AL MVP race between Vlad, Robert, Buxton is going to be fun.
It's hilarious to me to be considering MVP candidates in April. Let's play some games and then see who is having a great season, and then the discussion can begin.
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Well, Buxton lasted 6 games. I think that may be longer than usual.
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It's hilarious to me to be considering MVP candidates in April. Let's play some games and then see who is having a great season, and then the discussion can begin.
I’ll double down here.
Dylan Cease (barring injury) is going to be your AL Cy Young winner.
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Joe Maddon is still taking cracks at reinventing baseball.
Last night, he intentionally walked Corey Seager with the bases loaded and one out in the fourth inning to bring home a run after the Rangers were already ahead. Texas went on to score 2 more runs for a 6-2 lead before the Angels got out of the inning.
The Angels rallied to win 9-6, obviously inspired by Maddon's brilliant managerial ploy.
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Joe Maddon is still taking cracks at reinventing baseball.
Last night, he intentionally walked Corey Seager with the bases loaded and one out in the fourth inning to bring home a run after the Rangers were already ahead. Texas went on to score 2 more runs for a 6-2 lead before the Angels got out of the inning.
The Angels rallied to win 9-6, obviously inspired by Maddon's brilliant managerial ploy.
Saw on the twitter that it was only the third time since 1950 that an intentional walk has been issued with the bases loaded. Maddon is responsible for two of them.
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Stupid chit, hey?
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I’ll double down here.
Dylan Cease (barring injury) is going to be your AL Cy Young winner.
Nope
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Saw on the twitter that it was only the third time since 1950 that an intentional walk has been issued with the bases loaded. Maddon is responsible for two of them.
Surprised it was only 3 cuz it seemed like Bonds was walked with bases loaded a few times - but I absolutely could be misremembering that.
As for this IBB … the confused look on Trout’s face was precious.
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As a Cubs fan I'll always have a soft spot for Maddon. But the thing about him that bothered me was his complete inability and unwillingness to admit when he made a poor decision.
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As a Cubs fan I'll always have a soft spot for Maddon. But the thing about him that bothered me was his complete inability and unwillingness to admit when he made a poor decision.
Yeah the whole “it worked cause it rallied the troops” type commentary is eye-rolling.
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Well, Buxton lasted 6 games. I think that may be longer than usual.
He’s only supposed to miss a week - with this injury anyway.
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Saw on the twitter that it was only the First time since 1888 that an intentional walk has been issued with the bases loaded, and the team was losing at the time.
FIFY!!! 8-)
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Brewers are utterly boring to watch on offense. - batting .215 as a team.
And, there are SEVEN teams that are worse!
Baltimore is the only team with fewer HRs.
Only the D'Backs, Royals, and Orioles have scored fewer runs.
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Brewers are utterly boring to watch on offense. - batting .215 as a team.
And, there are SEVEN teams that are worse!
Baltimore is the only team with fewer HRs.
Only the D'Backs, Royals, and Orioles have scored fewer runs.
I lol’d when I saw the brewers home run leader board. 4 guys at 1 HR. Only watched a couple game and they aren’t fun.
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Yeah the whole “it worked cause it rallied the troops” type commentary is eye-rolling.
I feel the same as VBG, but his last few years it was sooo grating. His quirky clubhouse stuff was no longer needed, it wasn't a new young roster that needed to stay loose. But he still made myriad blunders and seemed to be even more stubborn.
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Victor Caratini throwing his hat in the Brew Crew HR leader board!
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I want to know how many balls in the dirt Reece McGuire blocked today.
Sure felt like at least 10 in the 9th inning alone.
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Brewers are utterly boring to watch on offense. - batting .215 as a team.
And, there are SEVEN teams that are worse!
Baltimore is the only team with fewer HRs.
Only the D'Backs, Royals, and Orioles have scored fewer runs.
Time to lower the mound again.
Not sure if I am kidding or not
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Cardinals looked good last night. Matz pitched well against the Brewers and except for an eighth inning gaff by the bullpen, good pitching game.
We'll see where this goes but this team is intriguing. Only hang-up was the had too many LOBs.
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Ya gotta love Giants manager Gabe Kapler taking a massive dump on one of baseball's unwritten rules when he ordered a bunt with his team up by 9 runs in the 6th ...
https://deadspin.com/gabe-kapler-backing-over-the-unwritten-rules-all-the-wa-1848795089?fbclid=IwAR3AhpCfmC7LXe7VwDiNdqX0nIL-5crR1dKqHDNFZEJ2HmLkRU2mge75V14
“Our goal is not exclusively to win one game in a series. It’s to try to win the entire series. Sometimes, that means trying to get a little deeper into the opposition’s ‘pen. I understand that many teams don’t love that strategy. And I get why. It’s something that we talked about as a club before the season and that we were comfortable going forward with that strategy. It’s not to be disrespectful in any way. It’s because we feel very cool and strategic. It’s the best way to win a series. When I say cool, I mean calm. We’re not emotional about it. We’re not trying to hurt anybody.”
Reasonable explanation IMHO.
Plus, we've all seen teams come back from 9 down to win. If you promise me you'll stop trying to score when you're down 9, I promise I'll stop trying to score when I'm up 9.
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Ya gotta love Giants manager Gabe Kapler taking a massive dump on one of baseball's unwritten rules when he ordered a bunt with his team up by 9 runs in the 6th ...
Also worth noting that under the new CBA there are no longer game 163 tie breakers. Ties will now be broken by run differential for the season. So that's another reason not to let off the gas when a team gets a big lead.
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Plus, we've all seen teams come back from 9 down to win. If you promise me you'll stop trying to score when you're down 9, I promise I'll stop trying to score when I'm up 9.
For me its a non issue given it was the 6th inning. 9th inning or bottom of 8 or something? I can see the argument (even though the "unwritten rules" are lame AF), but not here. Thats like complaining about a college or NBA team still playing hard and going balls out when up 25 early in the second half.
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Something I have been asking for for the last 3 years:
The implementation of a strict pitch clock across Minor League Baseball has shaved 20 minutes off game times, dramatically speeding up the pace while not having a demonstrable effect on scoring and setting the stage for the Major League Baseball to implement a clock in the 2023 season.
Over the first 132 minor league games that included a 14-second clock with the bases empty, 18-second clock with runners on and penalties for pitchers and hitters that run afoul of it, the average game time was 2 hours, 39 minutes. In a control set of 335 games run without the clock to begin the season, games lasted an average of 2 hours, 59 minutes -- around the same 3-hour, 3-minute average in 5,000-plus non-clock games during the 2021 season.
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I have a new favorite bet.
Three game parlay, under .5 runs in the first inning.
Especially in the cold weather months.
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I have a new favorite bet.
Three game parlay, under .5 runs in the first inning.
Especially in the cold weather months.
That bet can be a cruel mistress. Had tigers Yankees NRFI yesterday. Bases loaded, two outs Yankees high pop up in front of the plate and the tigers botched it letting in two runs. Hilariously bad beat.
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That bet can be a cruel mistress. Had tigers Yankees NRFI yesterday. Bases loaded, two outs Yankees high pop up in front of the plate and the tigers botched it letting in two runs. Hilariously bad beat.
NRFI is the crack cocaine of baseball betting. I personally love when you get an error or a fluke run for a team to lose the bet...then they score 1 more run, sometimes none, the rest of the game
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https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1516889581089611777?t=kG7YcCM_quPnYaGenEg4wQ&s=19
Anyone see this hit in juco baseball? Pitcher played linebacker in high school and forgot which sport he was playing
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NRFI is the crack cocaine of baseball betting. I personally love when you get an error or a fluke run for a team to lose the bet...then they score 1 more run, sometimes none, the rest of the game
Oh yea it’s the best - somewhat related but the other day I had angels astros over and the angels scored 6 runs in the top of the first. No one scored for the rest of the game lol.
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Oh yea it’s the best - somewhat related but the other day I had angels astros over and the angels scored 6 runs in the top of the first. No one scored for the rest of the game lol.
Nothing will ever top a Cubs game from the year after the WS. I think it was the Indians, but I may be mistaken. The O/U was 10.5. I had the over in the last leg of a 5 team parlay on a lark. It was 8-2 after 2....and also after 9. I remember thinking midway through the 7th...oh my god, They aren't going to score another run.
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La Russa needs to go.
Someone needs to take one for the team and plant a handle of vodka in his car.
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https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1516889581089611777?t=kG7YcCM_quPnYaGenEg4wQ&s=19
Anyone see this hit in juco baseball? Pitcher played linebacker in high school and forgot which sport he was playing
suspended a whopping 4 games. Batter was suspended 2 games for "taunting". Seems like the pitcher wins in this.
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suspended a whopping 4 games. Batter was suspended 2 games for "taunting". Seems like the pitcher wins in this.
Well ...pitcher faces some other issues too. He also has been kicked off the team, in addition to league sanctions you mention... and ...he still faces school/student expulsion.
He is a CyFair Bridgeland HS grad who was scheduled to move on to UH baseball team next year, but UH is "monitoring the issue closely". It is still possible his entire collegiate career blows up here
The batter is not an innocent, here. He already was warned earlier by umpires for his jawing with a previous pitcher in the game. Then, and despite the warning to shut up, he yelled to this pitcher " FU" during his HR trot.
Of course, lets not rush to judge 'em all as, I am sure:
“You also had some very fine people on both sides,”
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Expulsion for that would be absolutely ridiculous.
Cmon now…
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Expulsion for that would be absolutely ridiculous.
Cmon now…
Expulsion may be a stretch. But most universities will at least suspend you for physically assaulting someone. Expulsion could be on the table if this wasn't his first offense (I have no reason to think that it wasn't his first offense).
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Leury Garcia batting second. He has two hits on the season…
I will never forgive Reinsdorf for going over Hahn’s head and hiring La Russa.
This is the most infuriating season I can remember and it’s not even 15 games in.
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This White Sox team has some big time problems.
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Leury Garcia batting serving. He has two hits on the season…
I will never forgive Reinsdorf for going over Hahn’s head and hiring La Russa.
This is the most infuriating season I can remember and it’s not even 15 games in.
I can only assume that Leury pays for all the booze that Tony can drink. I can't think pf any other reason he plays him every day and bats him at the top of the order.
With AJ Hinch, the White Sox would be the best team in the AL. With LaRussa, they will be an early out in the Playoffs.
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Congrats to Miggie.
3000 hits
500 homers
Triple crown
When he gets his next double, it will be 600.
That will put him in a category of 1.
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Welp, that’s Eloy done for the year…
I swear Leury Garcia has a voodoo doll of every player on the team.
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Sox are +260 to miss the playoffs right now. Just sayin…
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Hopefully, for Sox fans, LaRussa will convince Reinsdorf to trade for Yadi to lead them to the promised land.
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Hopefully, for Sox fans, LaRussa will convince Reinsdorf to trade for Yadi to lead them to the promised land.
Buhhh.
No frickin way!
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Who will be the next to get to 3,000?
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That would be a fun Vegas bet. Look for an early start, consistency, and longevity.
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That would be a fun Vegas bet. Look for an early start, consistency, and longevity.
If he plays long enough and stays healthy, I’d lean Freddie Freeman. A case could be made for Altuve but I’m not sure he holds up another 7-8 years
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Juan Soto
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Yadier.
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Just not smart coaching throwing to Buxton there.
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Chuck Garfien of all people just ripped into LaRussa.
Doesn’t matter though, Reinsdorf got his nap and cigar buddy, he couldn’t care less about what happens to the team.
I feel so, so, bad for Rick Hahn. All the rebuild did was save Jerry money for for years.
Never been so angry at a sports franchise. And I saw the Bears trade up for Trubisky.
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The question is if the White Sox keep underperforming, will La Russa make it easy on his buddy by resigning?
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The 3000 hit thing is fun. I think my order of most likely right now would be Soto, Heyward, Wander Franco. Looking at the list, Elvis Andrus has had a better offensive career than I would have guessed. He won't stick as a regular long enough to get close to 3000, and getting all that PT at 19 didn't hurt, but 1875 hits, 7th among active players at 33 is pretty good.
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I've never liked Kyle Schwarber until just now.
He speaks for every baseball fan in regards to Amgel Hernandez.
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The 3000 hit thing is fun. I think my order of most likely right now would be Soto, Heyward, Wander Franco. Looking at the list, Elvis Andrus has had a better offensive career than I would have guessed. He won't stick as a regular long enough to get close to 3000, and getting all that PT at 19 didn't hurt, but 1875 hits, 7th among active players at 33 is pretty good.
Heyward?
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I've never liked Kyle Schwarber until just now.
He speaks for every baseball fan in regards to Amgel Hernandez.
He is the consensus choice for worst umpire in baseball.
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I've never liked Kyle Schwarber until just now.
He speaks for every baseball fan in regards to Amgel Hernandez.
Saw it on McCuthen's face live. Like 'Yeah, buddy, we all lived through it too'.
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I still can't believe the Sox pitched to Buxton there
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Heyward?
Haha. Career resurgence!! I meant Soto, Freeman, Franco. That was a weird slip.
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Saw it on McCuthen's face live. Like 'Yeah, buddy, we all lived through it too'.
Watched some of the game, including when McCutchen got called out on a bad outside pitch. Just watched the highlight of the ejection and the shot of McCutchen's face was hilarious.
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McCutchen's postgame interview was pretty funny. Said something like "well, we all knew what we were gonna have to deal with from the beginning."
All but said plainly that Hernandez is trash.
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Haha. Career resurgence!! I meant Soto, Freeman, Franco. That was a weird slip.
I thought maybe you saw what the Cubs saw. :)
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I've never liked Kyle Schwarber until just now.
He speaks for every baseball fan in regards to Amgel Hernandez.
I heard this morning that a website that tracks umpire accuracy on ball/strike had Angel at 85% accuracy for the game. Worst rating so far this year. Normal for a game is 95%+.
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I heard this morning that a website that tracks umpire accuracy on ball/strike had Angel at 85% accuracy for the game. Worst rating so far this year. Normal for a game is 95%+.
You gotta be crapting me if you are bringing it 95% at work everyday. Angel probably had a late night, was a little foggy still.
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I didn't see the game, so I'll accept everybody's word that Hernandez was bad. He's been not very good for years.
But watching a dozen replays of the strikeout pitch to Schwarber, the pitch was an inch, maybe 2, out of the zone, and the catcher did a nice job of framing it. I've seen a LOT worse calls. But as I said, I understand that it seemed to be a culmination of crapola, and made Schwarber reach a boiling point.
I also understand that Schwarbs probably was in a foul mood anyway, given his strikeout pct of .308 and OBP of .246.
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I didn't see the game, so I'll accept everybody's word that Hernandez was bad. He's been not very good for years.
But watching a dozen replays of the strikeout pitch to Schwarber, the pitch was an inch, maybe 2, out of the zone, and the catcher did a nice job of framing it. I've seen a LOT worse calls. But as I said, I understand that it seemed to be a culmination of crapola, and made Schwarber reach a boiling point.
I also understand that Schwarbs probably was in a foul mood anyway, given his strikeout pct of .308 and OBP of .246.
There have definitely been worse calls before. But it was a 3-2 pitch in a 1-0 game tht was very clearly a ball. Its a pitch you should never expect to need to swing at.
And against a pitcher like Hader it truly is unhittable. Its a tough one for someone to say "zone was consistently bad all night gotta know that and swing there" because his only chance of a successful AB there was not swinging and hoping Hernandez does his job correctly.
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He is the consensus choice for worst umpire in baseball.
So bad he was proven legally in court that he was an awful umpire.
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I didn't see the game, so I'll accept everybody's word that Hernandez was bad. He's been not very good for years.
But watching a dozen replays of the strikeout pitch to Schwarber, the pitch was an inch, maybe 2, out of the zone, and the catcher did a nice job of framing it. I've seen a LOT worse calls. But as I said, I understand that it seemed to be a culmination of crapola, and made Schwarber reach a boiling point.
I also understand that Schwarbs probably was in a foul mood anyway, given his strikeout pct of .308 and OBP of .246.
"I didn't see the game but I'll make fun of the player for being upset and call out his stats cause I watched replays of a single pitch"... ::) ::)
Schwarber was super explicit in arguing how terrible the zone was both ways from the jump. It was a horrible zone all night, not even shading to one area, irrespective of team or pitcher. And then in a critical position in a one run game, he made another brutal call. I don't care if he was hitless for the last 3 seasons, every player has a right to lose their mind over that absolute BS that Hernandez has been allowed to perpetuate for well over a decade
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"I didn't see the game but I'll make fun of the player for being upset and call out his stats cause I watched replays of a single pitch"... ::) ::)
Schwarber was super explicit in arguing how terrible the zone was both ways from the jump. It was a horrible zone all night, not even shading to one area, irrespective of team or pitcher. And then in a critical position in a one run game, he made another brutal call. I don't care if he was hitless for the last 3 seasons, every player has a right to lose their mind over that absolute BS that Hernandez has been allowed to perpetuate for well over a decade
I think I pretty much said that, though not as colorfully as you did.
And shame on me for making fun of an $80M ballplayer who's batting .169 with a .653 OPS and who strikes out more than a nerd in a bar full of babes.
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https://twitter.com/UmpScorecards/status/1518600289401548801
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https://twitter.com/UmpScorecards/status/1518600289401548801
Big deal, the Brewers still would have won 0.23 to zero
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Gott ain't worth a chit. Wasted a terrific performance by Burnes. If I were Corbin, I'd piss in the dude's cornflakes, hey?
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Gott ain't worth a chit. Wasted a terrific performance by Burnes. If I were Corbin, I'd piss in the dude's cornflakes, hey?
First earned runs allowed this year
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Peddle his ass, hey?
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Craig gonna keep a guy with an OPS of .600 hitting 3rd all year? It’s only been 2 seasons of this. His confidence will surely be shot if you drop him in the lineup. Because there’s so much further his performance could fall.
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Maybe Brewers fans shouldn't spend so much time heckling Pederson. Although I must say he had the best response. 432 feet is a lot of response.
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Craig gonna keep a guy with an OPS of .600 hitting 3rd all year? It’s only been 2 seasons of this. His confidence will surely be shot if you drop him in the lineup. Because there’s so much further his performance could fall.
I’m not sure he’s got much confidence left at this point.
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There isn’t one thing this Sox team does even average right now. They are eff’n awful.
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Well, the Twins with the most circus win of all time salvaged a bleak night for Minny sports.
Wild final AB/play/ending.
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Craig gonna keep a guy with an OPS of .600 hitting 3rd all year? It’s only been 2 seasons of this. His confidence will surely be shot if you drop him in the lineup. Because there’s so much further his performance could fall.
I love counsell. But not moving yelich down in the order is manager malpractice.
Bat him 6th. Totally difference hitting approach than hitting 3rd. Not as much pressure. Not too embarrassing (e.g. batting him 8th or 9th) for a star.
Counsell has to do something to get yelichs head and confidence back. Trotting out the same ole every day is not working.
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Well, the Twins with the most circus win of all time salvaged a bleak night for Minny sports.
Wild final AB/play/ending.
The footnote to that play...holy hell those Twins jerseys are INCREDIBLE. I have zero allegiance or affinity for the Twins (besides being a huge Kirby Puckett fan in the early 90s) but I'd be tempted to wear at least a shirsey cause they are so sharp, same way as I have a throwback Orioles hat cause Ive always loved the cartoon bird
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The footnote to that play...holy hell those Twins jerseys are INCREDIBLE. I have zero allegiance or affinity for the Twins (besides being a huge Kirby Puckett fan in the early 90s) but I'd be tempted to wear at least a shirsey cause they are so sharp, same way as I have a throwback Orioles hat cause Ive always loved the cartoon bird
Yeah the baby blues are really cool. I like the Twins jerseys in general. Much better than the Wild and Wolves.
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Craig gonna keep a guy with an OPS of .600 hitting 3rd all year? It’s only been 2 seasons of this. His confidence will surely be shot if you drop him in the lineup. Because there’s so much further his performance could fall.
When someone else in the lineup wants to start hitting too, I'm here for it. Right now, they have a team batting average of .211 and in the bottom 3rd.
I hope Antanasio can find money in his couch cushions because I don't know that any one player can fix this offensive lineup
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When someone else in the lineup wants to start hitting too, I'm here for it. Right now, they have a team batting average of .211 and in the bottom 3rd.
I hope Antanasio can find money in his couch cushions because I don't know that any one player can fix this offensive lineup
I’m a big Urias fan and think he’s capable of breaking out this year.
Even so, they need to find another bat. I’m bullish on them being aggressive in the trade market and I think they’ll do so sooner than later.
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Wood ya peddle Hader four a big bat, hey?
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Wood ya peddle Hader four a big bat, hey?
Yes. I’d have done it in the off-season, however. I’d still do it
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Wood ya peddle Hader four a big bat, hey?
Nope. Next year, maybe. But he's too valuable to the Brewers in his current role and he's under team control (and reasonably priced) for another season after this. The big bats available in-season are going to be on losing teams--they're going to want prospects in return. That's the kind of trades we'll see for a big bat or two.
Also, while I agree that moving Yelich down to the 5 hole would be worth trying, he's actually looking like a decent hitter. His average is down, but he's his hard-hit rate is good and he's not striking out too much. I expect him to bounce out of this soon and becoming at least a productive part of the lineup.
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Wood ya peddle Hader four a big bat, hey?
Since Devin can't find the strike zone I'd hang on to Hader.
If the wall puncher gets it together it gives you a little more wiggle room at the back end of the pen.
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All of what I said about the offense being butt notwithstanding, the Brewers are currently on track for 100 wins in a VERY young season.
That is weighed heavily by playing the Pirates and Orioles, but Woodruff has also not yet been Woodruff.
Once Urias is back, I would add offense as soon as can be made available. Focus is on 1st, 2nd, and CF.
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I’m a big Urias fan and think he’s capable of breaking out this year.
Even so, they need to find another bat. I’m bullish on them being aggressive in the trade market and I think they’ll do so sooner than later.
I don't necessarily disagree, but...
Maybe like Mookie Betts or Kyle Tucker or Macus Semien or Carlos Correa or Ketel Marte or Avi Garcia or Kyle Schwarber or Whitt Merrifield or Joey Votto or Max Muncy or Danby Swanson or Brian Reynolds or Dylan Carlson or ....
Every one of those guys is batting under .200. They would have actually made our offense even worse these first 3 weeks.
The time will come when we see where we need help the most, but we are not there yet.
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I don't think I'd trade Hader. The way the Brewers are built they need a lights out rotation the top 2 guys in the pen have to be stellar. They are too far away on the offensive end to abandon that formula.
I would have been open to it a year or two ago but they've gone all in on pitching and defense.
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Boy, way to early to know how Joe Ryans career turns out but hes really really intriguing.
Safest bet is a consistent strong #3 or lower end 2. But has the potential to be an ace. Could also really get figured out.
His fastball is sneaky as heck. But if he doesnt develop more with it there is a chance teams figure it out and devour it.
But if he does develop the other pitches, could be scary good.
Either way hes got the mindset. Hes stoic on the mound. Knows he belongs. Not fidgety like Berrios at any sign of trouble
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Boy, way to early to know how Joe Ryans career turns out but hes really really intriguing.
Safest bet is a consistent strong #3 or lower end 2. But has the potential to be an ace. Could also really get figured out.
His fastball is sneaky as heck. But if he doesnt develop more with it there is a chance teams figure it out and devour it.
But if he does develop the other pitches, could be scary good.
Either way hes got the mindset. Hes stoic on the mound. Knows he belongs. Not fidgety like Berrios at any sign of trouble
I certainly don’t mind 12:1 on him for AL ROY.
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Boy, way to early to know how Joe Ryans career turns out but hes really really intriguing.
Safest bet is a consistent strong #3 or lower end 2. But has the potential to be an ace. Could also really get figured out.
His fastball is sneaky as heck. But if he doesnt develop more with it there is a chance teams figure it out and devour it.
But if he does develop the other pitches, could be scary good.
Either way hes got the mindset. Hes stoic on the mound. Knows he belongs. Not fidgety like Berrios at any sign of trouble
He’s on both of my Fantasy baseball teams - I think he’s high floor/high ceiling.
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He’s on both of my Fantasy baseball teams - I think he’s high floor/high ceiling.
Yeah his WHIP through his first 9 starts is historic.
So its working so far rolling with a low 90s fastball.
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Bauer suspended 2 years
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33827168/los-angeles-dodgers-trevor-bauer-suspended-two-seasons
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MLB got sick of kicking the can down the road. I won't miss Bauer, mostly because I'm sure Elon will put him on his Twitter leadership team.
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Bauer suspended 2 years
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33827168/los-angeles-dodgers-trevor-bauer-suspended-two-seasons
Certainly an interesting precedent to set. I'm no big fan of Bauer off the field, but a lot of the case against him seems spurious. Additionally, not sure how he gets 2 seasons, in addition to the season he missed, while Ozuna got 30 games for something that was witnessed firsthand. Probably because Bauer is loud.
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Certainly an interesting precedent to set. I'm no big fan of Bauer off the field, but a lot of the case against him seems spurious. Additionally, not sure how he gets 2 seasons, in addition to the season he missed, while Ozuna got 30 games for something that was witnessed firsthand. Probably because Bauer is loud.
Agree.
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Dylan Cease was filthy today.
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From The Athletic:
On Sunday, the Las Vegas Aviators — the Oakland A’s Triple-A affiliate — hosted the Tacoma Rainiers. Attendance: 6,153. Pretty good!
Monday, in Oakland, where the best baseball players in the organization work, just 2,488 people showed up to the ballpark to watch the visiting Rays beat the A’s, 6-1.
The brutal Monday number marks the lowest draw of any MLB game this season and the lowest the A’s have seen since 1980.
Things are bad in Oakland. Payroll is low (29th), attendance is worse and interest is clearly putrid. Meanwhile, team owners are embroiled in intense negotiations with Oakland and Las Vegas for a new stadium and/or relocation. Fans are clearly fed up.
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From The Athletic:
On Sunday, the Las Vegas Aviators — the Oakland A’s Triple-A affiliate — hosted the Tacoma Rainiers. Attendance: 6,153. Pretty good!
Monday, in Oakland, where the best baseball players in the organization work, just 2,488 people showed up to the ballpark to watch the visiting Rays beat the A’s, 6-1.
The brutal Monday number marks the lowest draw of any MLB game this season and the lowest the A’s have seen since 1980.
Things are bad in Oakland. Payroll is low (29th), attendance is worse and interest is clearly putrid. Meanwhile, team owners are embroiled in intense negotiations with Oakland and Las Vegas for a new stadium and/or relocation. Fans are clearly fed up.
They should do what the Cardinals do and say 30,000 people paid for tickets
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They should do what the Cardinals do and say 30,000 people paid for tickets
A's just need to trade for Yadi. Or at least dig up one of the other Molina brothers.
Fan faves, one and all!
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They should do what the Cardinals do and say 30,000 people paid for tickets
Doesn't Yadi buy up thousands of tickets to give away to the poor every game? Some people say he is even greater at philanthropy than he is at baseball.
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The Reds are soooooooo bad.
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On purpose.
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Bring Moose back to Milwaukee.
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Bring Moose back to Milwaukee.
Kudos to the Brewers management for not agreeing to that contract. He has not played much and he has not played well since signing that one.
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Kudos to the Brewers management for not agreeing to that contract. He has not played much and he has not played well since signing that one.
Agreed. Good for Moose for getting the bag but the Brewers couldn’t and shouldn’t have given him a big contract. I thought this was the last guaranteed year of the contract but next year is the final year. Would’ve loved to have him back for the second half of this season if it had been the last year of that contract. Loved Moose in Milwaukee.
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Bring Moose back to Milwaukee.
Moose Haas wood kneed a walker just ta get up da dugout steps, hey?
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Lauer may just be the Brewers best startin' pitcher, aina?
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Lauer may just be the Brewers best startin' pitcher, aina?
Nah. But turns out Stearns pretty much still hasn’t lost a trade when it looked like he might’ve in that one.
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Twins keep having injuries and rona cases that are forcing them to get the future up here.
And boy is it nice.
Winder, Kiriloff, Larnach, Miranda, Lewis. These guys belong on big league rosters.
Nick Gordon, Gilberto Celestino, Dylan Bundy do not.
And if Ursehla keeps hitting into DPs and have zero semblance of power he should ride the pine too.
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3000 hits
500 homers
600 doubles
A group of 3. Aaron. Pujols. Cabrera.
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The White Sox RF drops an easy flyball, and Indians analyst says: "Are you sh!tting me?"
https://twitter.com/mlberrors/status/1523824391850762246?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=4236227
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The White Sox RF drops an easy flyball, and Indians analyst says: "Are you sh!tting me?"
https://twitter.com/mlberrors/status/1523824391850762246?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=4236227
He said “are you sheeting me?”, as the Sox RF is Gavin Sheets.
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A chart from last nights Astros/Twins broadcast was striking. In this year of lax hitting and lesser production it is not surprising teams with good to great pitching are positioned well.
It seems...Get yourself solid pitching and mix in 3 plus runs and ....
well you're almost unbeatable!!, to wit:
Through May 10, 2022;
Best MLB records when scoring 3 plus runs
Astros 18-1
Dodgers 20-2
Mets 20-2
Brewers 19-2
Yankees 19-2
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Good news for Cubbies' fans. Rick Sutcliffe says they are right in the middle of the wild card race in the NL.
They might want to catch the Pirates, though, before getting too giddy.
(This post goes back to the discussion yesterday about bad sports show hosts.)
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Dylan Cease’s pitching line tonight is wild.
4 IP
11 K’s
6 H
6 ER
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Kershaw on injury list again.
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Apologies if already discussed. The apple tv broadcast crew is the worst I've ever sat through. Can't imagine they're drawing many to the platform with this effort
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Dylan Cease’s pitching line tonight is wild.
4 IP
11 K’s
6 H
6 ER
3 true outcomes, but a pitcher
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Never thought I'd see Pujols pitch
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I am not a math guy, but can someone explain to me how Mike Trout's WAR is so much higher than Taylor Ward's?
https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/player/_/table/batting/sort/WARBR/dir/desc (https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/player/_/table/batting/sort/WARBR/dir/desc)
POS
GP
GP AB R H AVG 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB K SB OBP SLG OPS WAR
Trout CF
32 109 28 34 .312 9 1 9 20 72 21 32 0 .432 .661 1.092 2.5
RF
26 91 24 35 .385 5 2 8 22 68 21 24 1 .500 .747 1.247 2.0
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I am not a math guy, but can someone explain to me how Mike Trout's WAR is so much higher than Taylor Ward's?
https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/player/_/table/batting/sort/WARBR/dir/desc (https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/player/_/table/batting/sort/WARBR/dir/desc)
POS
GP
GP AB R H AVG 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB K SB OBP SLG OPS WAR
Trout CF
32 109 28 34 .312 9 1 9 20 72 21 32 0 .432 .661 1.092 2.5
RF
26 91 24 35 .385 5 2 8 22 68 21 24 1 .500 .747 1.247 2.0
Must be the combination of defense and the positional adjustment. Trout has 2 DRS playing CF and Ward has -1 playing RF.
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Like Pomeroy, in the first half of the season the WAR formula includes career stats.
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Mejia now suspended for a positive PED test. Second Brewer this year.
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What da hell? Big money's in play here, aina?
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Mejia now suspended for a positive PED test. Second Brewer this year.
That was his performance on PEDs? Hate to see him without them
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Hell, worked well for #8, hey?
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Mejia now suspended for a positive PED test. Second Brewer this year.
better to kill a player and only get 60 days
Ex-Angels P Matt Harvey suspended 60 games after admitting to taking pills with Tyler Skaggs (https://sports.yahoo.com/ex-angels-pitcher-matt-harvey-suspended-60-games-after-admitting-to-taking-pills-with-tyler-skaggs-trial-211707608.html)
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better to kill a player and only get 60 days
Ex-Angels P Matt Harvey suspended 60 games after admitting to taking pills with Tyler Skaggs (https://sports.yahoo.com/ex-angels-pitcher-matt-harvey-suspended-60-games-after-admitting-to-taking-pills-with-tyler-skaggs-trial-211707608.html)
Thats a pretty generous definition of "kill". If you wanna toss it at that scumbag Kay, then sure but Harvey was just an addict partaking in his habit with another. Harvey wasn't his dealer. The buddy who goes shot for shot with you at the bar didn't "kill you" when you drink yourself to death.
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NM
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Tim Anderson is a tool that loves to hear himself talk.
Ambassador for changing the game he is not.
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Tim Anderson is a tool that loves to hear himself talk.
Ambassador for changing the game he is not.
Strange, even Donaldson’s manager seems to think he stepped over the line.
https://twitter.com/bryanhoch/status/1528418274999926791?s=21&t=yZIQBE1A55NtJOW1v7qGdA
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Nothing good can come of a white person referring to a Black person derisively as Jackie Robinson.
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Strange, even Donaldson’s manager seems to think he stepped over the line.
https://twitter.com/bryanhoch/status/1528418274999926791?s=21&t=yZIQBE1A55NtJOW1v7qGdA
Boone is playing it straight, smart move.
Anderson is the one if anything who deminished things. He asked to be called Jackie in response to his attempts to "make baseball fun again" which completes disgraces the impact that Jackie actually had. Ya know, breaking color barriers and all. And being a HOF.
If Anderson made his moronic comment in more of a race sense, it would hold a little more water.
The guy loves to hear himself talk. Theres a reason hes always bitching about something and getting suspended for umpire run ins. Hes a clown.
JD is also a dick. And didnt need to chirp the guy. But insinutating racism is a classic TA move. Have the smoke brought back on you, and claim racism.
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Boone is playing it straight, smart move.
Anderson is the one if anything who deminished things. He asked to be called Jackie in response to his attempts to "make baseball fun again" which completes disgraces the impact that Jackie actually had. Ya know, breaking color barriers and all. And being a HOF.
If Anderson made his moronic comment in more of a race sense, it would hold a little more water.
The guy loves to hear himself talk. Theres a reason hes always bitching about something and getting suspended for umpire run ins. Hes a clown.
JD is also a dick. And didnt need to chirp the guy. But insinutating racism is a classic TA move. Have the smoke brought back on you, and claim racism.
He made that comparison in regards to inspiring young black players. I don’t believe he asked people to call him Jackie Robinson.
For a manager who wouldn’t even defend his own player for swinging at the wrong time, feels like TLR saying it was out of line is somewhat significant here.
I’m fine with you thinking Anderson is a cocky annoying personality. But I don’t think you or I are in much position to make sweeping assumptions about Donaldson’s intent here.
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He made that comparison in regards to inspiring young black players. I don’t believe he asked people to call him Jackie Robinson.
For a manager who wouldn’t even defend his own player for swinging at the wrong time, feels like TLR saying it was out of line is somewhat significant here.
I’m fine with you thinking Anderson is a cocky annoying personality. But I don’t think you or I are in much position to make sweeping assumptions about Donaldson’s intent here.
I saw someone pull the quote and apparently it was about making the game fun again. I don't personally remember it(had no idea it was a thing til yesterday) so could be wrong.
Idk if TLR holds any weight. That is inconsistent with every thing he says and does and basically all of chicago wants him out of town for incompetence ha.
We cant really make assumptions at intent. But Donaldson did explain his intent. So thats really all we have to go off of, what he said he meant by it. And it makes sense. And if Donaldson is also truthful that this isnt the first instance, it seems like TA cherry picked.
Again, I'm not saying JD isnt a dbag as well. He absolutely could just not say anything. But anything alluding to racism on this is just a bad and really unsubstantiated.
To me this was a classic dust up between two notorious dickhead pot stirrers, and race got used to make one look worse.
Hell, if there was no history of a TA reference to Jackie. Idk how this would even be an insult. Jackie is an icon.
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I saw someone pull the quote and apparently it was about making the game fun again. I don't personally remember it(had no idea it was a thing til yesterday) so could be wrong.
Idk if TLR holds any weight. That is inconsistent with every thing he says and does and basically all of chicago wants him out of town for incompetence ha.
We cant really make assumptions at intent. But Donaldson did explain his intent. So thats really all we have to go off of, what he said he meant by it. And it makes sense. And if Donaldson is also truthful that this isnt the first instance, it seems like TA cherry picked.
Again, I'm not saying JD isnt a dbag as well. He absolutely could just not say anything. But anything alluding to racism on this is just a bad and really unsubstantiated.
To me this was a classic dust up between two notorious dickhead pot stirrers, and race got used to make one look worse.
Hell, if there was no history of a TA reference to Jackie. Idk how this would even be an insult. Jackie is an icon.
One time? Fine, whatever. Over and over after it’s clear he doesn’t like it? You’re just excited to have found a racial thing to say that you think you have enough cover/deniability to use. That’s my read. But again, I’m not in a position to tell people what their intent was or wasn’t. Certainly not in a position to tell someone of color that they shouldn’t think something was racist.
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Idk if TLR holds any weight. That is inconsistent with every thing he says and does and basically all of chicago wants him out of town for incompetence ha.
That statement is beyond dumb.
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One time? Fine, whatever. Over and over after it’s clear he doesn’t like it? You’re just excited to have found a racial thing to say that you think you have enough cover/deniability to use. That’s my read. But again, I’m not in a position to tell people what their intent was or wasn’t. Certainly not in a position to tell someone of color that they shouldn’t think something was racist.
Well again, thats the thing. All we have is what we are told and JD says its been over and over and only now did TA have a problem with it.
TA could deny that(to my knowledge he hasnt) and then we would be in a he said/she said situation.
Everything we have is assumptions. Aside from what we know(TA made the first Jackie reference unsubstantiated) and what JD says was his intent and history of using the insult.
Now is TA allow to say he didnt like a comment, absolutely.
But immediatley tossing out racist without allowing JD to give any context is on par with that base coach for the Giants or Padres(dont remember what team) that cried racism to the media earlier this year on something that was blatantly not racist.
It just seems to be a go to deflect.
And of course, there are plenty of words that could be used that would be immediately ok to go right to racism. Sup Jackie? Major stretch.
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Go ahead and say to his face that it’s not racist then.
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Well again, thats the thing. All we have is what we are told and JD says its been over and over and only now did TA have a problem with it.
TA could deny that(to my knowledge he hasnt) and then we would be in a he said/she said situation.
Everything we have is assumptions. Aside from what we know(TA made the first Jackie reference unsubstantiated) and what JD says was his intent and history of using the insult.
Now is TA allow to say he didnt like a comment, absolutely.
But immediatley tossing out racist without allowing JD to give any context is on par with that base coach for the Giants or Padres(dont remember what team) that cried racism to the media earlier this year on something that was blatantly not racist.
It just seems to be a go to deflect.
And of course, there are plenty of words that could be used that would be immediately ok to go right to racism. Sup Jackie? Major stretch.
Have you been been asleep for the last 23 months? The guy referred to himself as like a modern day Jackie Robinson. How dare Donaldson reference that. I learned during my mandatory DEI training with Dr. Kendi ($20k plus a required 5000 books purchased well spent) that racism doesn’t have to be intended in comments or actions. If someone interprets racism, even later on,mthen punishment must be handed down. Donaldson must never play Baseball again, Anderson decided he crossed the line by being called something he called himself.
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Go ahead and say to his face that it’s not racist then.
Uhhh ok?
You gonna send Tim on over to me?
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Uhhh ok?
You gonna send Tim on over to me?
Sure, because you seem to know how he should feel about things
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Yadi now a pitcher, too.
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Yadi now a the best pitcher ever.
FIFY
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Sure, because you seem to know how he should feel about things
Great send him over
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https://twitter.com/secretbase/status/1528792408925814790?s=20&t=2qpG66UfzX9pVPZIyNYSHQ
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I’m not a fan of Donaldson getting suspended a game over this.
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I’m not a fan of Donaldson getting suspended a game over this.
Yep. And nothing for Grandal who decided to get face to face with him and jaw at him for minutes which is what actually lead to the whole "bench clearing". Its dumb
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Yep. And nothing for Grandal who decided to get face to face with him and jaw at him for minutes which is what actually lead to the whole "bench clearing". Its dumb
Thats craziest thing.
Their reasoning for suspended Donaldson is his comment basically incited a benches clearing incident.
His comment was 5 innings priors. Grandal incited the benches clearly. He absolutely needs to be suspended too.
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Grandal deserves to get suspended? Lol.
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I’m not a fan of Donaldson getting suspended a game over this.
MLB is woke, aína. You should be in favor of this move.
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Yep. And nothing for Grandal who decided to get face to face with him and jaw at him for minutes which is what actually lead to the whole "bench clearing". Its dumb
Dumb is a good word for it.
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Grandal deserves to get suspended? Lol.
He doesn’t…but neither did Donaldson. But if it was truly about what created an actual in game disturbance, Grandal is the one who escalated on field. But it’s all much ado about nothing
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Looking like Kopech will be the Sox Cy contender not Cease.
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He doesn’t…but neither did Donaldson. But if it was truly about what created an actual in game disturbance, Grandal is the one who escalated on field. But it’s all much ado about nothing
Of course Donaldson deserved it. How many Yankee players or coaches stood up for him? I suppose next you will defend the fans who chanted "Jackie" the next day as not being racist.
As the Athletic’s James Fegan put it, Donaldson’s comment “called to mind a long history in this country of racial minorities being derisively referred to by the names of celebrities of the same race — often implying that racial minorities are an indistinguishable and largely irrelevant monolith to the person casting the insult. That this instance referenced the Black American who desegregated a sport in the face of fierce and long-enduring resistance, only made it more pointed.”
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Of course Donaldson deserved it. How many Yankee players or coaches stood up for him? I suppose next you will defend the fans who chanted "Jackie" the next day as not being racist.
As the Athletic’s James Fegan put it, Donaldson’s comment “called to mind a long history in this country of racial minorities being derisively referred to by the names of celebrities of the same race — often implying that racial minorities are an indistinguishable and largely irrelevant monolith to the person casting the insult. That this instance referenced the Black American who desegregated a sport in the face of fierce and long-enduring resistance, only made it more pointed.”
I'll never defend obnoxious Yankees fans for anything. But that doesn't mean anything. But go ahead with stupid personal attacks.
And Boone defended him. He said it wasn't malicious/racist, but said it wasn't smart. Which is fine cause Donaldson has no history of racism, just being a sh** stirrer and hothead.
Fegan's comment is in a vacuum ignoring Tim Anderson's prior Jackie comment. It was literally mocking a single person for a specific comment they made, nothing about some indistinguishable monolith. This isn't jeeringly saying to another player "ok MLK" or "ok Malcom X" just cause they were vocal about civil rights.
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Of course Donaldson deserved it. How many Yankee players or coaches stood up for him? I suppose next you will defend the fans who chanted "Jackie" the next day as not being racist.
As the Athletic’s James Fegan put it, Donaldson’s comment “called to mind a long history in this country of racial minorities being derisively referred to by the names of celebrities of the same race — often implying that racial minorities are an indistinguishable and largely irrelevant monolith to the person casting the insult. That this instance referenced the Black American who desegregated a sport in the face of fierce and long-enduring resistance, only made it more pointed.”
This is an embarrasing level of ignorance.
Its been well establsihed he didn't pull the name "Jackie" out of thin air.
If he had, no one would have had any idea wtf it even meant.
Nothing was implied, TA said to call himself Jackie, Donaldson obliged.
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This is an embarrasing level of ignorance.
Its been well establsihed he didn't pull the name "Jackie" out of thin air.
If he had, no one would have had any idea wtf it even meant.
Nothing was implied, TA said to call himself Jackie, Donaldson obliged.
You're simply lying.
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You're simply lying.
Tough to argue with this level of delusion.
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I'll never defend obnoxious Yankees fans for anything. But that doesn't mean anything. But go ahead with stupid personal attacks.
And Boone defended him. He said it wasn't malicious/racist, but said it wasn't smart. Which is fine cause Donaldson has no history of racism, just being a sh** stirrer and hothead.
Fegan's comment is in a vacuum ignoring Tim Anderson's prior Jackie comment. It was literally mocking a single person for a specific comment they made, nothing about some indistinguishable monolith. This isn't jeeringly saying to another player "ok MLK" or "ok Malcom X" just cause they were vocal about civil rights.
That was most certainly the reply I expected.
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Nothing was implied, TA said to call himself Jackie, Donaldson obliged.
I don't think this is accurate. He said “I kind of feel like today’s Jackie Robinson..." I don't think ever invited others to call him that.
Here's the article where that came from.
https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/04/30/tim-anderson-white-sox-speaks-out
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Yadi now a pitcher, too.
Did he wear his chest protector full of stick'um while pitching?
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I'll never defend obnoxious Yankees fans for anything. But that doesn't mean anything. But go ahead with stupid personal attacks.
And Boone defended him. He said it wasn't malicious/racist, but said it wasn't smart. Which is fine cause Donaldson has no history of racism, just being a sh** stirrer and hothead.
Fegan's comment is in a vacuum ignoring Tim Anderson's prior Jackie comment. It was literally mocking a single person for a specific comment they made, nothing about some indistinguishable monolith. This isn't jeeringly saying to another player "ok MLK" or "ok Malcom X" just cause they were vocal about civil rights.
It does look like Donaldson called him Jackie in the past and Anderson told (or at least I’m assuming) him not to call him that. It sounds like the two aren’t particularly fond of each other based on a slide.
So, I’m not sure it’s racially motivated but rather Donaldson needling him for a comment that may seem like Anderson was comparing himself to Jackie Robinson. However, Donaldson shouldn’t have made the comment in my opinion.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33978457/tim-anderson-addresses-josh-donaldson-incident-care-less-suspension
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It does look like Donaldson called him Jackie in the past and Anderson told (or at least I’m assuming) him not to call him that. It sounds like the two aren’t particularly fond of each other based on a slide.
So, I’m not sure it’s racially motivated but rather Donaldson needling him for a comment that may seem like Anderson was comparing himself to Jackie Robinson. However, Donaldson shouldn’t have made the comment in my opinion.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33978457/tim-anderson-addresses-josh-donaldson-incident-care-less-suspension
Yea. Again, Donaldson isn't an angel and he and TA have had beef for years. Sometimes that leads to people chirping too much. But that's sports.
Boone's comment I think was fair and pretty spot on. It wasn't racist, it wasn't supposed to be racist...but its trending towards something that can be misconstrued so its probably not smart. Which I don't have an issue with.
That was most certainly the reply I expected.
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That diving stop followed by the backhanded flip from the glove by Wong to Urias was a helluva play. Best Brewer defensive play that I can recall this season.
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The Twins better hope that when the schedule picks up they start playing better baseball.
They still have to play through the crutch of having the dumbest manager the game has ever seen.
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Congrats, Gabe Kapler.
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Has LaRussa become the worst manager in baseball?
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Congrats, Gabe Kapler.
He'd better watch out. School shootings and coup attempts don't bring outrage. But failure to worship the star spangled banner ... that makes people very angry.
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He'd better watch out. School shootings and coup attempts don't bring outrage. But failure to worship the star spangled banner ... that makes people very angry.
It’s the best time to take a dump at the stadium or arena
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Throwing this in here because we don't have a college baseball thread ...
NC State is whining about being left out of the NCAA baseball tournament. Their record is good but the selection committee cited a weak non-conference schedule and a poor record against the best teams in the ACC.
During the final stretch of the regular season, they lost series to Virginia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina and Wake Forest. Their lone ACC series win in the final month of the season was against a bad Duke team.
So as is the case with every basketball team that doesn't get a tourney bid, I don't feel sorry for them one iota.
It's in your control. Win another freakin' game or another freakin' series. Then you won't have to cry like babies.
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The White Sox loss today drops them into third place in the AL Central. Next 6 games are against Tampa & Dodgers.
Good times.
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The White Sox loss today drops them into third place in the AL Central. Next 6 games are against Tampa & Dodgers.
Good times.
The schedule for the whole month is brutal. If they can play .500 in June, they should still have a chance. If not, it will be a long summer.
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Don't worry, guys. La Russa will use unwritten rules of managing to right the ship.
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Speaking of unwritten rules, what is the sporting thing to do when you face a position player pitching? Its been happening more and more, which is fun. Assuming the team pitching a position player is losing big, should you just go home run or bust as the batter? Gotta think you could hit seeing eye singles all day, but you don't want to be there for hours, either.
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Speaking of unwritten rules, what is the sporting thing to do when you face a position player pitching? Its been happening more and more, which is fun. Assuming the team pitching a position player is losing big, should you just go home run or bust as the batter? Gotta think you could hit seeing eye singles all day, but you don't want to be there for hours, either.
Guys don’t wanna make outs. Ever.
Just hit the ball as far as you can. I would imagine that LaRussa and Yadi would be offended if a guy was bunting in that situation - which is actually understandable.
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Injuries keep racking up for the brewers.
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Injuries keep racking up for the brewers.
Woodruff
Peralta
Perdomo
Adames
Renfroe
Brosseau
Narvaez
Gustave
Cousins
Maybe Urias now
Anyone I missed?
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Brewers getting no-hit into the 8th.
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Brewers getting no-hit into the 8th.
Broken up with 2 outs in 8th. Kolton Wong double.
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Injuries keep racking up for the brewers.
Tigers fans share your pain.
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Angels truly might never win another game.
What a complete collapse today.
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Angels truly might never win another game.
What a complete collapse today.
In other words …
Trout and Ohtani for co-MVP?
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Meanwhile, the St. Louis Cardinals win three of five from the Small Sloth Bears after sweeping the San Diego Padres.
This team looks pretty good. Imagine how good they will be when Flaherty is back!
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Meanwhile, the St. Louis Cardinals win three of five from the Small Sloth Bears after sweeping the San Diego Padres.
This team looks pretty good. Imagine how good they will be when Flaherty is back!
Probably not as good as the Brewers when they get Woody, Freddy, Urias, Adames, Narvaez, Renfroe, and Brousseau back.
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Probably not as good as the Brewers when they get Woody, Freddy, Urias, Adames, Narvaez, Renfroe, and Brousseau back.
Flaherty isn’t Cardinals material
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Angels truly might never win another game.
What a complete collapse today.
Getting blanked 1-0 by Wacha today now.
Team is god awful.
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Can’t believe I’m the first to comment on the firing of the guy who reinvented baseball.
The Angels obviously were underachieving, but I was a little surprised this happened so quickly. 2 weeks ago he was being touted for Manager of the Year.
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Can’t believe I’m the first to comment on the firing of the guy who reinvented baseball.
The Angels obviously were underachieving, but I was a little surprised this happened so quickly. 2 weeks ago he was being touted for Manager of the Year.
He belongs in jail
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Guys don’t wanna make outs. Ever.
Just hit the ball as far as you can. I would imagine that LaRussa and Yadi would be offended if a guy was bunting in that situation - which is actually understandable.
Yadi would just pick them off at first -- if he didn't field the bunt and throw the runner out at first!
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Nightly Angels update.
Trout with a slump busting 2 run shot in the bottom of the first.
Angels immediately give up 3 runs in the 2nd.
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Meanwhile the Cardinals win again in Tampa Bay. Dakota Hudson pitched a heck of a game.
Jack Flaherty just finished an excellent rehab assignment in Springfield and is headed for Memphis for another this weekend.
Life is looking up!
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Meanwhile the Cardinals win again in Tampa Bay. Dakota Hudson pitched a heck of a game.
Jack Flaherty just finished an excellent rehab assignment in Springfield and is headed for Memphis for another this weekend.
Life is looking up!
Will he stay healthy though?
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Meanwhile the Cardinals win again in Tampa Bay.
They so play the right way that even when they lose, they win.
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Placed my first bet in a month today. It was Brewers ML -110. Fun times.
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Meanwhile the Cardinals LOST in Tampa Bay. Dakota Hudson pitched a heck of a game.
Jack Flaherty just finished an excellent rehab assignment in Springfield and is headed for Memphis for another this weekend.
Life is looking up!
FYI: Cardinals LOST tonight in the 10th, 4-2 ! ! !
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Angels now at 13 straight
Blew a 5-3 lead.
Leadoff double in the 9th, couldnt score to win it.
Couldnt advance the auto runner in the 10th.
This team is really, really inept. They gotta blow it up.
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Don't worry ... Trout will really get it going in late-July when the Angels are 20+ games out. He'll finish with the best advanced stats, which of course will mean he must be MVP.
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FYI: Cardinals LOST tonight in the 10th, 4-2 ! ! !
Oops
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Don't worry ... Trout will really get it going in late-July when the Angels are 20+ games out. He'll finish with the best advanced stats, which of course will mean he must be MVP.
He did get his first hit in the month of June Monday, so there's that. He's a great player, but two things irk me. One,It doesn't seem like he drives in a lot of runs (he has more walks , and 1.5X more K's than RBI's in his career), and two, I hate the WAR stat.
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He did get his first hit in the month of June Monday, so there's that. He's a great player, but two things irk me. One,It doesn't seem like he drives in a lot of runs (he has more walks , and 1.5X more K's than RBI's in his career), and two, I hate the WAR stat.
Well RBI is an awful stat. For most of his career hes batting 1 or 2 and had terrible support around him.
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Well RBI is an awful stat. For most of his career hes batting 1 or 2 and had terrible support around him.
RBI is not necessarily a bad stat, it just needs to be in context. My question would be, why doesn't he bat 3 or 4. Also, random question, why doesn't a player get an RBI if he grounds into a double play?
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IMHO, a team that isn't close to contending after the All-Star break can't have the MVP.
I know others disagree, and that's cool.
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RBI is not necessarily a bad stat, it just needs to be in context. My question would be, why doesn't he bat 3 or 4. Also, random question, why doesn't a player get an RBI if he grounds into a double play?
Because trading a run for 2 outs isn't a net benefit for the batter, my guess.
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Angels getting blanked and about to drop their 14th straight
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Angels getting blanked and about to drop their 14th straight
Obsessed much?
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Any time you can intentionally walk a guy with a 1-2 count on him with 2 outs, ya gotta do it.
Oh, if you’re wondering, the next batter hit a three run homer.
But hey, TLR!
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Obsessed much?
Let me know another team on a 14 game losing streak to update on in the MLB thread.
I really think you go into posts trying to be a dipcrap
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Brew Crew about to drop their sixth straight.
Great arms but just don't have enough hitting to seriously compete for a WS.
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Brew Crew about to drop their sixth straight.
Great arms but just don't have enough hitting to seriously compete for a WS.
...and when they're missing two of their all-star starters (Peralta and Woodruff) for multiple starts, their rotation isn't imposing enough to stop losing streaks.
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Any time you can intentionally walk a guy with a 1-2 count on him with 2 outs, ya gotta do it.
Oh, if you’re wondering, the next batter hit a three run homer.
But hey, TLR!
That was incredible.
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Any time you can intentionally walk a guy with a 1-2 count on him with 2 outs, ya gotta do it.
Oh, if you’re wondering, the next batter hit a three run homer.
But hey, TLR!
That was truly astounding.
A coaching move like that should scare any GM into making a move immediately. Because god forbid they find themselves in October, you cant have a coach that might pull something like that.
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MVP Ohtani returned and the losing streak looks like it will end for the Halos
Meanwhile, classic Twins vs Yanks
3 straight homers to lead off the game, 5 homers total. Still lose by 3.
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That was truly astounding.
A coaching move like that should scare any GM into making a move immediately. Because god forbid they find themselves in October, you cant have a coach that might pull something like that.
That’s the problem, it’s not Hahn’s decision to make.
Jerry Reinsdorf is such a bum. If I were Rick Hahn, I’m walking into Jerry’s office tomorrow and saying “It’s him or me.”
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It's bad enough that La Russa ordered the intentional walk to a guy with 1-2 count.
During the post-game press conference, he acted as if he were astounded that a single soul could question his decision.
"Is there some question about whether that was a good move or not? ... That wasn't a tough call!"
Wow.
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This is the Tony LaRussa effect:
I am a Brewers fan, but as far as the AL is concerned, I root for the Sox. Now, with LaRussa at the head, there is a real enjoyment watching them flail. I simply love it when Tony shows off his crazy knowledge and we can all laugh at him
HoF’er, indeed!
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He's deserving of being in the HOF, but he's 77 years old.
If the count was 2-0 instead of 1-2, I get why he would walk the guy. But it's almost like he forgot situationally where everything was when the call needed to be made. It just seems like he got caught off guard and couldn't process all the information, and came to the wrong conclusion.
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He's deserving of being in the HOF, but he's 77 years old.
If the count was 2-0 instead of 1-2, I get why he would walk the guy. But it's almost like he forgot situationally where everything was when the call needed to be made. It just seems like he got caught off guard and couldn't process all the information, and came to the wrong conclusion.
I think you are spot on. The bigger problem is that this wasn’t a one-off.
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Speaking of intentional walks, is Barry Bonds season record of 120 intentional walks the most unbreakable modern day record?
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Ripken Iron Man, and it's not even close.
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Byron Buxton is back
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Byron Buxton is back
For now. When he’s healthy he’s as good as anyone in the game. Unfortunately he never seems to stay healthy for long.
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For now. When he’s healthy he’s as good as anyone in the game. Unfortunately he never seems to stay healthy for long.
Twins sit him like every 3 games.
When I said hes "back" I mean to playing well. He had an awful 0-30 stretch.
But otherwise hes been an absolute maniac.
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Sooooo, Kevin Cash just tried to go full LaRussa. Now if youve seen Cash manage in October youd know hes not the sharpest tool in the shed. But here is the mind blowing scenario.
Twins start inning down 3-0.
Bloop single. Walk. Walk. Grand slam. Up 4-3.
Walk again. Still no outs.
Miranda pastes one to left center. Ball hits off the wall and sits on the mid wall padding by the chain link. Polanco scores easy from first. Miranda gets thrown out at 3rd by a mile. As it stands its 5-3 with 1 out and no on.
Stupid ass Cash tried to challenge saying it should be a "deadball" ground rule double. Which all that would have done is bring Polanco back to 3rd and GIVE the Twins back the only out of the inning. Would make it 4-3 but 2nd and 3rd no outs.
I have never seen a coach try to argue something so dumb. Sadly, the call was correct so we didnt get our out back, but Cash did lose his challenge.
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Byron Buxton is back
Got him in like the 15th round of my fantasy draft. I'm in first by a country mile.
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Got him in like the 15th round of my fantasy draft. I'm in first by a country mile.
I have him in all 3 of my leagues. Took him higher than the15th round though - he never would have lasted until then in the leagues I’m in.
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Luis Arraez now hitting .367 on this season.
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Fookin' Brew Crew is a joke, hey?
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Fookin' Brew Crew is a joke, hey?
Brutal.
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Got him in like the 15th round of my fantasy draft. I'm in first by a country mile.
Not because of Buxton though.
He was available for the exact reason we see every year. Has already missed almost 1/3 of the Twins games.
He is also a Fantasy negative in BA and SBs (they are afraid to let him run cuz he gets hurt too easily running). He is only a help in HR and runs.
And, yes, he is on my team as well. Trying to trade him but no one will give even 50 cents on the dollar for him. I would have been better off drafting Arraez.
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I hate this White Sox team.
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Not because of Buxton though.
He was available for the exact reason we see every year. Has already missed almost 1/3 of the Twins games.
He is also a Fantasy negative in BA and SBs (they are afraid to let him run cuz he gets hurt too easily running). He is only a help in HR and runs.
And, yes, he is on my team as well. Trying to trade him but no one will give even 50 cents on the dollar for him. I would have been better off drafting Arraez.
I mean he's not THE reason (that would be Goldschmidt/Devers) but he's up there. My league uses OBP and SLG, so he's a huge help in Runs, HRs, RBIs, and SLG and he's fine at OBP. Really only a true negative at SB.
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I hate this White Sox team.
My buddy who was at the game last night says there were many chants of "Fire Tony!"
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I mean he's not THE reason (that would be Goldschmidt/Devers) but he's up there. My league uses OBP and SLG, so he's a huge help in Runs, HRs, RBIs, and SLG and he's fine at OBP. Really only a true negative at SB.
The leagues I’m in overweight power numbers, so he’s been good in spite of missing so many games.
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Always a good idea to try to tag up from 2nd to 3rd with two outs and your team down 2 in extras.
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The rest of the AL central should continue to thank the Minnesota Twins for being run on incompetence.
Alex Kiriloff is just hanging out mashing baseballs in AAA when hes really a top 5 hitter in the entire orgnization.
Only Buxton/Correa/Arraez should have lineup priority over him. Yet, he cant even get on the damn team. Incredible stuff.
Hed be on the MLB roster of every other team. And we are a team that currently have Nick Gordon, Elliot Soto, Ryan Jeffers as bench options
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Speaking of intentional walks, is Barry Bonds season record of 120 intentional walks the most unbreakable modern day record?
1999 pitcher tony cloninger hit 2 grand slams in one game. the same year fernando tatis hit 2 in the same inning
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1999 pitcher tony cloninger hit 2 grand slams in one game. the same year fernando tatis hit 2 in the same inning
This has been a good thread. Keep your ‘stupid’ out of it.
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This has been a good thread. Keep your ‘stupid’ out of it.
Wtf? Rocket posted some trivia. You post nothing of value.
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He posted that a 60 year old pitcher hit 2 grand slams in one major league game.
That’s not trivia - it is lunacy. Only you and him would believe that.
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That’s not trivia - it is lunacy.
"Lunacy" is what roQQet posts 99.7% of the time. This was innocuous baseball stuff. Let it rest; you'll have plenty of opportunities to comment on "lunacy."
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Y kant wee all bea friends, hey?
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1999 pitcher tony cloninger hit 2 grand slams in one game. the same year fernando tatis hit 2 in the same inning
This has been a good thread. Keep your ‘stupid’ out of it.
No kidding - On July 3, 1966, Cloninger hit two grand slams not in 1999; at least he had the year 1999 right for Tatis' feat.
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I have big doubts on the Sox, but man this Tigers team really sucks.
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I have big doubts on the Sox, but man this Tigers team really sucks.
Much different than feasting on a cupcake in college basketball though.
I'm worried as a Twins fan this could be the type of series that wakes the Sox up a bit. Gets them feeling confident at the plate.
Also, as bad as the Tigers are and as make shift as their pitching has been. Its overall been pretty solid.
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I have big doubts on the Sox, but man this Tigers team really sucks.
Absolutely a brutal team. Out of the top 6 guys getting the most ABs, only one is hitting over .200. Tigers have a chance to be the worst hitting team in MLB history. Ever
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Absolutely a brutal team. Out of the top 6 guys getting the most ABs, only one is hitting over .200. Tigers have a chance to be the worst hitting team in MLB history. Ever
Oakland says hello. Their TOP hitter is batting .234. I think their team WAR is in the negative (whatever WAR means)
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Story, Seager and Correa have all be far from flawless. Correa being the best of the bunch but missing a lot of games.
That said, my god did the Tigers draw the short stick for this season at least. Javy Baez stats should have him off the roster and in AAA. Ghastly numbers that have to have him close to among the worst regulars in the league.
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Oakland says hello. Their TOP hitter is batting .234. I think their team WAR is in the negative (whatever WAR means)
And still, the Tigers have managed to score 40 fewer runs than Oakland.
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That said, my god did the Tigers draw the short stick for this season at least. Javy Baez stats should have him off the roster and in AAA. Ghastly numbers that have to have him close to among the worst regulars in the league.
I said here in this thread that Baez and bryant were the worst two FA contracts given out this year. I stand by that.
Bryant is washed up. Once your back goes out, you are done.
Baez because he is just a bad baseball playert. Great skills and pizzaz, but a brutal player. If he can hit a 450 foot HR every couple of weeks, he is satisfied. Doesn't care about the strikeouts. Doesn't make any changes to improve. But, hey, he really knows how to tag guys.
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I said here in this thread that Baez and bryant were the worst two FA contracts given out this year. I stand by that.
Bryant is washed up. Once your back goes out, you are done.
Baez because he is just a bad baseball playert. Great skills and pizzaz, but a brutal player. If he can hit a 450 foot HR every couple of weeks, he is satisfied. Doesn't care about the strikeouts. Doesn't make any changes to improve. But, hey, he really knows how to tag guys.
Thats a bit dramatic, its not like he's only a DH that has no fielding value. But I think the ship of Baez becoming a consistent top tier player has probably sailed. He is what he has always been. A very good and incredibly talented fielder, great baserunner and generally very high baseball IQ player...and one of the most undisciplined and incorrigible hitters of the last decade. And unfortunately he's shown zero interest in improving the latter.
He's streaky and can get super hot. He was very good with the Mets the back half of last year. But he can also do what he did in 2020 and is doing this year. And as he gets older, he won't have the athletic ability to make up for it.
He's one of my fav Cubs of my lifetime, but lets not forget he came up in 2014, had some huge moments...and then was back to AAA until the season was basically over in 2015 cause he couldn't stop striking out.
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Thats a bit dramatic, its not like he's only a DH that has no fielding value. But I think the ship of Baez becoming a consistent top tier player has probably sailed. He is what he has always been. A very good and incredibly talented fielder, great baserunner and generally very high baseball IQ player...and one of the most undisciplined and incorrigible hitters of the last decade. And unfortunately he's shown zero interest in improving the latter.
He's streaky and can get super hot. He was very good with the Mets the back half of last year. But he can also do what he did in 2020 and is doing this year. And as he gets older, he won't have the athletic ability to make up for it.
He's one of my fav Cubs of my lifetime, but lets not forget he came up in 2014, had some huge moments...and then was back to AAA until the season was basically over in 2015 cause he couldn't stop striking out.
I guess the part I bolded is what I was saying. I had a friend living in Tennessee about 5 miles from the Cubs AA team stadium. I still remember going to a weekend series while visiting and Baez had 2 walk-off HRs in the 3 games while getting several other hits and playing sparkling defense. I couldn’t wait for the Cubs to bring him up.
But while he has certainly had some moments, he has been a disappointment overall (in relation to what I thought he would be) and I think his days of mattering are over.
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Detroit is on pace to score the least runs in a season ever. Epically bad hitting.
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At least Baez was the most exciting baseball player in the history of the sport though.
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I guess the part I bolded is what I was saying. I had a friend living in Tennessee about 5 miles from the Cubs AA team stadium. I still remember going to a weekend series while visiting and Baez had 2 walk-off HRs in the 3 games while getting several other hits and playing sparkling defense. I couldn’t wait for the Cubs to bring him up.
But while he has certainly had some moments, he has been a disappointment overall (in relation to what I thought he would be) and I think his days of mattering are over.
Oh absolutely. I thought after 18 and 19 he was there. He was a star. I was ready for 2020 to be an aberration, as it was for many, and he still won a GG. But its just been a disappointment. I was happy he played himself into a contract with those Mets games, but going to a team seemingly going nowhere like the Tigers and playing like he has is just a total bummer.
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The Twins have 3 runs in their last 36 innings. Are currently being 2 hit through 6 by Marco freaking Gonzales
If Alex Kirilloff isnt in the lineup come Friday.
For the first time in my life, I will have to just start cheering for a new team
Blue Jays are fun to watch, they also play their young talent. Might be a solid choice.
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He chases fastballs over his head and sliders a foot off the plate. Sometimes on back to back pitches.
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I don't follow the Twins closely enough to have an opinion, but maybe the Twins brass might be afraid of wrecking Kirilloff? He struggled pretty badly to start the year then had the wrist injury from last year pop back up, which probably will be an issue for at least the rest of '22. I'm typically happy to lead the service time manipulation mob, but maybe seeing him rake again in the minors is just making everyone feel content at the moment? I see he has reverse splits so far in the majors though, so unless that's oddly different from his numbers in the minors, its not like he wouldn't play once he's up. So playing time shouldn't be an issue.
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I don't follow the Twins closely enough to have an opinion, but maybe the Twins brass might be afraid of wrecking Kirilloff? He struggled pretty badly to start the year then had the wrist injury from last year pop back up, which probably will be an issue for at least the rest of '22. I'm typically happy to lead the service time manipulation mob, but maybe seeing him rake again in the minors is just making everyone feel content at the moment? I see he has reverse splits so far in the majors though, so unless that's oddly different from his numbers in the minors, its not like he wouldn't play once he's up. So playing time shouldn't be an issue.
He was 1/17 to start the year. Thats a simple cold stretch everyone has in baseball which was explained by a bad wrist. He went to the IL. Came back and started back in the Bigs. Went 4/12. Was then sent down AFTER the 4/12. Has now raked in the minors.
Miranda started his career 5/54. Luckily we kept needing bodies so he was never demoted and hes leveled out a bit at the plate(still a negative war thanks to his D though).
Larnach had a .670 OPS last year. Is now 4 for his last 43.
Kiriloff has a .722 OPS last year with the sore wrist(just ok).
Nick Gordon flat sucks. But they like the fact he plays 5 positions(only 1 of them solidly) and he has no options
Kirilloff has always been the best prospect of the bunch. Hes hit the best in AAA and hes had the longest sustained success in the majors.
Kirilloff shouldnt even be behind Kepler on the depth chart.
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Devers entering that best hitter in the game convo with authority.
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At least Baez was the most exciting baseball player in the history of the sport though.
He was really good at tagging people at 2nd base. I never thought that was enough to merit a bust in Cooperstown but whatever.
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He was really good at tagging people at 2nd base. I never thought that was enough to merit a bust in Cooperstown but whatever.
Don’t forget the slides! If there’s ever a Sliding And Tagging Hall of Fame, he’ll be a charter member.
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Speaking of tags, there was a pretty slick one today by Rojas in the Marlins game.
The Marlins catcher also got “tagged” in the nuts by a baseball later in the game.
Almost made up for having to watch the Phillies vs. Marlins and write a script for it.
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Crazy stuff (from The Athletic):
In the second inning of Houston’s 9-2 win over Texas on Wednesday, Astros pitcher Luis Garcia struck out Nathaniel Lowe, Ezequiel Duran and Brad Miller on nine pitches, recording what is colloquially known as an immaculate inning. Praise be.
In the seventh, Astros pitcher Phil Maton saw the same hitters … and also struck them out on nine pitches. Just like that, double the perfection.
It’s the first time in MLB history two immaculate innings have occurred on the same day — and this happened on the same day, in the same game, against the same team, to the same hitters. How?
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Crazy stuff (from The Athletic):
In the second inning of Houston’s 9-2 win over Texas on Wednesday, Astros pitcher Luis Garcia struck out Nathaniel Lowe, Ezequiel Duran and Brad Miller on nine pitches, recording what is colloquially known as an immaculate inning. Praise be.
In the seventh, Astros pitcher Phil Maton saw the same hitters … and also struck them out on nine pitches. Just like that, double the perfection.
It’s the first time in MLB history two immaculate innings have occurred on the same day — and this happened on the same day, in the same game, against the same team, to the same hitters. How?
I watched it live The Astro announcers noticed it with Garcia but didn’t even mention Matons until an inning later They are strange to watch Common to both were first pitch good quality strikes and the batters then helped by second pitch fouls for the strike twos Down 0-2 Garcia and Maton threw outside the zone with each batter protecting on his 0-2 whiff times 6
Truly a quirky thing to see Try to get a you tube of both Its worth the look takes just a minute
PS for your convenience here is a video;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csp6r7GAIvo
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Big fan of the Brewers City Connect uniforms. Love the hat and saw there was a shirt with the grill logo.
https://www.mlb.com/news/brewers-unveil-city-connect-uniforms
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Big fan of the Brewers City Connect uniforms. Love the hat and saw there was a shirt with the grill logo.
https://www.mlb.com/news/brewers-unveil-city-connect-uniforms
I like the colors. The design is a bit to "Backyard Baseball" children's video game for me. But I think that's what most of these uniforms are. I love what the Brewers have with their standard uniforms. Very clean.
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Big fan of the Brewers City Connect uniforms. Love the hat and saw there was a shirt with the grill logo.
https://www.mlb.com/news/brewers-unveil-city-connect-uniforms
They're neat, but the Washington Nationals are easily the best in the league.
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I like the colors. The design is a bit to "Backyard Baseball" children's video game for me. But I think that's what most of these uniforms are. I love what the Brewers have with their standard uniforms. Very clean.
Agree, for the City concept, I dig it. But wouldn't want them as a full time set.
Now once this is done, if they threw a baby blue alternate in the regular design, I'd be all for it.
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Big fan of the Brewers City Connect uniforms. Love the hat and saw there was a shirt with the grill logo.
https://www.mlb.com/news/brewers-unveil-city-connect-uniforms
The grill logo is the best part. Personally love them
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Disappointed in the Brewers City Connect design. The hat logo is brutal.
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Disappointed in the Brewers City Connect design. The hat logo is brutal.
The colors are great. The grill is a fun touch. But I agree the hats stink out loud.
At least its not the Dodgers
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Brewers uni's especially the Hats should put an auto loss on their record.
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Brewers uni's especially the Hats should put an auto loss on their record.
We'll take a loss on the hats in exchange for 5 wins for the grill logo patch.
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Well, I don't have to denounce my Twins fandom.
Kirilloff is back.
God is good.
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Crazy stuff (from The Athletic):
In the second inning of Houston’s 9-2 win over Texas on Wednesday, Astros pitcher Luis Garcia struck out Nathaniel Lowe, Ezequiel Duran and Brad Miller on nine pitches, recording what is colloquially known as an immaculate inning. Praise be.
In the seventh, Astros pitcher Phil Maton saw the same hitters … and also struck them out on nine pitches. Just like that, double the perfection.
It’s the first time in MLB history two immaculate innings have occurred on the same day — and this happened on the same day, in the same game, against the same team, to the same hitters. How?
Kinda like da Immaculate Conception, aina?
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Y know luv four Brew Crew supporters wit a 262 area code, hey?
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Well, I don't have to denounce my Twins fandom.
Kirilloff is back.
God is good.
You are starting to sound like Nads and "my Panthers".
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Brewers DFA Lorenzo Cain today. On the day he reaches 10 years of service time.
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With a tough series in Houston this weekend - why are the Sox letting Tim Anderson languish in the Minors all week? So they can keep Leury Garcia and his .190 avg. in the lineup?
This team is so far out of synch that they will be lucky to make the Playoffs if things don't change.
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With a tough series in Houston this weekend - why are the Sox letting Tim Anderson languish in the Minors all week? So they can keep Leury Garcia and his .190 avg. in the lineup?
This team is so far out of synch that they will be lucky to make the Playoffs if things don't change.
And his on base % is barely over .200 but TLR loves the guys. Does Garcia have pictures he’s blackmailing LaRussa with?
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Mike trout is back to rampaging on baseballs
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Mike trout is back to rampaging on baseballs
His PED supplier finally cooked up the right formula again.
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Yep. And soon enough the Angels will be out of contention for anything, so it will be time to wage another Mike Trout For MVP campaign.
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Yep. And soon enough the Angels will be out of contention for anything, so it will be time to wage another Mike Trout For MVP campaign.
Judge will need to massively slow down.
But Trouts numbers are good for even Trouts standards, kinda should be in the discussion.
Leads MLB in OPS, has the second highest OPS+ of his career(1 shy of last years when he had only 117 ABs).
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I find it fascinating that some here only are able to come up with one criticism for Trout.
That is that he has teammates who are not good players.
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I find it fascinating that some here only are able to come up with one criticism for Trout.
That is that he has teammates who are not good players.
Just hit another.
Guy is insane.
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Just hit another.
Guy is insane.
I’ll pay money just to watch Mike Trout
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I find it fascinating that some here only are able to come up with one criticism for Trout.
That is that he has teammates who are not good players.
What would be another criticism? He’s the clear best baseball player of his era.
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What would be another criticism? He’s the clear best baseball player of his era.
I mean, He did kinda choke in his one playoffs appearance in his 11 year career.
Got swept out of the first round despite having the best record in the AL that year.
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It's just such a ridiculously small sample size though. It's just inconceivable to me that in this day and age, where over half the franchises have made the playoffs in the last two seasons, that the Angels can't build something around him. One playoff appearance in 12 seasons???
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Yeah! (says the Matthew Stafford/Lions fan)
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Yeah! (says the Matthew Stafford/Lions fan)
And the Lions made the playoffs with Stafford THREE times!!!
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It's just such a ridiculously small sample size though. It's just inconceivable to me that in this day and age, where over half the franchises have made the playoffs in the last two seasons, that the Angels can't build something around him. One playoff appearance in 12 seasons???
The Angels wasted a ton of money on Pujols and Rendon. Their pitching has been often injured and not very good when healthy. Bad management.
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Brewers DFA Lorenzo Cain today. On the day he reaches 10 years of service time.
Yeah seems like everyone handled this in the most classy way possible. With 10 years of service time, Cain's lifetime membership in the PA vests and he gets the pension. All the Cain quotes are super classy and understanding. Unfortunately on a team with an offense predicated on playing matchups with slightly above replacement level players, rostering Cain, Taylor, and McCutcheon is dreadfully redundant.
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I'd have given Trout AL player of the year many times. He's awesome.
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It's just such a ridiculously small sample size though. It's just inconceivable to me that in this day and age, where over half the franchises have made the playoffs in the last two seasons, that the Angels can't build something around him. One playoff appearance in 12 seasons???
And they've had the best hitter/pitcher two way player in multiple generations for the last 4 years and its still not mattered.
In the last 8 seasons, the Halos have had the AL MVP 50% of the time. And they've managed to finish above 3rd, just twice...IN THEIR DIVISION. Its monumental suckage.
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And they've had the best hitter/pitcher two way player in multiple generations for the last 4 years and its still not mattered.
In the last 8 seasons, the Halos have had the AL MVP 50% of the time. And they've managed to finish above 3rd, just twice...IN THEIR DIVISION. Its monumental suckage.
Dont get me wrong. The Angels have been embarrassing for many, many, reasons.
But the bolded part isnt the best story.
Really the only year Ohtani was the true two way player was last years historic year and Trout was injured for almost the whole year.
2020 was the Rona year where Ohtani sucked at the plate and pitched like an inning. And he didnt pitch in 2019 either.
Last year and this year are him truly become a full time everyday player.
But yeah, Angels do really suck. Basically every signing they have attempted in the Trout era has been brutal. They have some promising bats now. Still zero pitching or depth behind the potential of Ward/Walsh/Marsh.
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Dont get me wrong. The Angels have been embarrassing for many, many, reasons.
But the bolded part isnt the best story.
Really the only year Ohtani was the true two way player was last years historic year and Trout was injured for almost the whole year.
2020 was the Rona year where Ohtani sucked at the plate and pitched like an inning. And he didnt pitch in 2019 either.
Last year and this year are him truly become a full time everyday player.
But yeah, Angels do really suck. Basically every signing they have attempted in the Trout era has been brutal. They have some promising bats now. Still zero pitching or depth behind the potential of Ward/Walsh/Marsh.
I just wanted to give Ohtani his proper headline. He was ROY in 2018 and hit well in 2019. So even before he was a beast last year, he was a really good young piece.
But the rest, dead on. They just have a complete and utter inability to build a competent full roster.
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It’s going to be difficult to keep Andrew Vaughn off the AL All Star roster. He’s hitting .416 the last 3 weeks, has three 4 hit games the last two weeks, fourth in the AL in batting for the year. Dude just rakes.
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In the last 8 seasons, the Halos have had the AL MVP 50% of the time.
Makes one wonder what the "V" stands for.
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Makes one wonder what the "V" stands for.
Things like WAR show the exact standing of "V"
Your too hung up on a already arbitrary definion of what an Mvp should be.........in other sports.
Baseball is a completely different animal. The criteria simply cannot be the same as basketball.
Now if the Twins could actively make the decision to bat Byron Buxton 1 time an inning whenever they want?? Yeah, winning a lot of ball games may be a great emphasis like Basketball.
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Things like WAR show the exact standing of "V"
Your too hung up on a already arbitrary definion of what an Mvp should be.........in other sports.
Baseball is a completely different animal. The criteria simply cannot be the same as basketball.
We'll agree to disagree. Over the years, I've seen too many outstanding -- and valuable -- baseball players carry their teams to greatness.
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We'll agree to disagree. Over the years, I've seen too many outstanding -- and valuable -- baseball players carry their teams to greatness.
Who?
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Who?
Certainly not Ken Griffey Jr.
Not Ichiro
Not Joey Votto.
Not A Rod until he was a Yankee.
Not Frank Thomas.
Not Bryce Harper.
Baseball's recent history is littered with MVPs and surefire HOF talent that couldn't overcome bad or average teams cause individual impact can be so often negated.
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Who?
2020 - Abreu and Freeman lead White Sox and Braves to playoffs.
2019 - Bellinger leads Dodgers to best record in baseball.
2018 - Betts and Yelich lead their teams to best records in their leagues.
2017 - Altuve leads Astros to 100+ wins.
2016 - Bryant leads Cubs to best record in baseball.
2015 - Donaldson leads Jays to division title; Harper keeps Washington in race till final week.
2014 - Trout and Kershaw lead their teams to division titles.
2013 - Cabrera leads Tigers to division title; McCutchen leads Pirates into playoffs.
2012 - Cabrera and Posey lead their teams to division titles.
2011 - Verlander and Braun lead their teams to division titles.
It's not that difficult to find very deserving players almost every year who actually lead their teams to something (or at least close to something).
I realize I used the term "carry their teams to greatness," and that was probably too strong a term for most of the above. But certainly fine players had outstanding seasons to lead their teams to successful seasons.
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2020 - Abreu and Freeman lead White Sox and Braves to playoffs.
2019 - Bellinger leads Dodgers to best record in baseball.
2018 - Betts and Yelich lead their teams to best records in their leagues.
2017 - Altuve leads Astros to 100+ wins.
2016 - Bryant leads Cubs to best record in baseball.
2015 - Donaldson leads Jays to division title; Harper keeps Washington in race till final week.
2014 - Trout and Kershaw lead their teams to division titles.
2013 - Cabrera leads Tigers to division title; McCutchen leads Pirates into playoffs.
2012 - Cabrera and Posey lead their teams to division titles.
2011 - Verlander and Braun lead their teams to division titles.
It's not that difficult to find very deserving players almost every year who actually lead their teams to something (or at least close to something).
I realize I used the term "carry their teams to greatness," and that was probably too strong a term for most of the above. But certainly fine players had outstanding seasons to lead their teams to successful seasons.
It was definitely too strong. You referenced a bunch of guys on stacked teams. With Lineup support and most importanly pitching aces. Basically the only knock on Trout over his career is that hes not able to also throw 200 innings of dominant ball.
For example. The 2013 Tigers had Scherzer, Verlander, Fister, Sanchez and Porcello. Porcello threw the fewest innings at 177 and had the worst FIP at 3.53
2016 Angles had Jered Weaver and his 5.06 ERA nad 5.62 FIP lead them in innings at 178. The other starters with any sort of innings were Matt Shoemaker, Hector Santiago, Jhoulys Chacin, Ricky Nolaso(haha). Only 1 of those guys hit 125 innings.
The Astros didnt dominate because of Altuve. They dominated because they had Altuve and 8 other all star level players. Same for Bellys Dodgers and Betts Red Sox etc...
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I'm also not understanding how a baseball player can "lead their team to something." Baseball is a series of individual match-ups that are loosely meshed together to be a team sport.
What exactly could Trout have done to "lead" his team? He isn't a pitcher. He can't bat more.
Giving an MVP to a lesser player because his team does better is giving that player "points" for something he didn't do.
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I'm also not understanding how a baseball player can "lead their team to something." Baseball is a series of individual match-ups that are loosely meshed together to be a team sport.
What exactly could Trout have done to "lead" his team? He isn't a pitcher. He can't bat more.
Giving an MVP to a lesser player because his team does better is giving that player "points" for something he didn't do.
Yup. Trout is the best player of his generation by a mile
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Piggybacking on PGs, its fun to go through the list 82 provided and look at the pitching staffs for each team with an MVP. It provides great context and is a great chance to remember some guys, which is my favorite activity. Without going through them all, here are some examples of the ones I cherrypicked because I would have guessed they would be the worst, in addition to PGs listing the 2013 Tigers:
2013 Pirates: AJ Burnett, Francisco Liriano, Gerrit Cole, Charlie Morton - all 100+ IP and sub 4.00 FIP
2015 Nats: Scherzer, Jordan Zimmerman, Gio Gonzalez, Strasburg - all 100+ IP and sub 4.00 FIP
2015 Blue Jays: None - though R.A. Dickey, Buehrle, and Marco Estrada each gave them more than 180 IP at under 4.50 FIP, so ate up hella innings for a team that led the league in slugging and wOBA. So they just mashed everyone to death.
2018 Brewers: None - though Chacin and Junior Guerra were close. And the Brewers were only 9th in slugging and 10th in wOBA. I guess there is your Platonic ideal of what '82 seems to be looking for - a player having a crazy good season on a team that defies the stats to win.
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I happen to believe that the MVP should play for a team that wins something, or at least is in contention for something until the season's end.
I understand others disagree.
The electorate does seem to have come around to the school of thought that the MVP can come from the worst team in baseball if he has the best stats, so those who agree with that can say they're "right."
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OK, you think that an MVP should have better players as teammates - something the player has no control over.
It's just illogical.
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OK, you think that an MVP should have better players as teammates - something the player has no control over.
It's just illogical.
Not to mention, in baseball, unlike football or basketball or hockey, they can't "make their teammates better". Aside from maybe a catcher.
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Not to mention, in baseball, unlike football or basketball or hockey, they can't "make their teammates better". Aside from maybe a catcher.
Yep. No such thing as help defense, or setting picks, or getting the ball to teammates in the best position for them to score. Baseball awards are basically purely stats driven
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The only argument I’d make for the playoff team part is that the player would be performing in more high-leverage situations and meaningful games. But I’d only use that as a tiebreaker and not disqualify an otherwise great season due to team performance.
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Not to mention, in baseball, unlike football or basketball or hockey, they can't "make their teammates better". Aside from maybe a catcher.
Don't good catchers make pitchers better?
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Don't good catchers make pitchers better?
Every good defensive player makes pitchers better. And every great hitter makes the guy who bats in front of him better.
That said, it’s still a very individual sport - teamwork isn’t as essential as it is in most team sports.
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And every great hitter makes the guy who bats in front of him better.
I don't agree with that. The player may get "better" pitches to see, but it doesn't make the player better. If that were the case, Mike Trout would have more RBI's.
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The only argument I’d make for the playoff team part is that the player would be performing in more high-leverage situations and meaningful games. But I’d only use that as a tiebreaker and not disqualify an otherwise great season due to team performance.
I think that's an excellent point and it's one I've made before. A guy on a non-contender faces considerably less pressure in August and September than a guy on a contender does.
I also think a "tiebreaker" of sorts can be a player who is having a very good season but finishes with an incredible month or two to lead a team into the playoffs.
There's also no doubt in my mind that Verlander carried the Tigers to the division title in 2011 even though he played in only a fifth of his team's games. Every 5th day (and a few times less), the Tigers knew they were gonna win. They also knew they had a guy who would pitch 7 innings or more almost every time (and often 8 or 9), saving the bullpen for the other days. A very deserving choice IMHO.
And I agree with Wags about catchers potentially making an outsized difference.
Finally, there are such things as intangibles, even in baseball. So while Willie Stargell had "only" very good stats in 1979, he was IMHO a great MVP pick because he was the unquestioned leader of that "We Are Family" team. (He actually ended up getting the same number of MVP points as Keith Hernandez, so they shared the award.)
Again, I understand and respect that others think the standings shouldn't matter for MVP, even though I happen to disagree.
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Finally, there are such things as intangibles, even in baseball. So while Willie Stargell had "only" very good stats in 1979, he was IMHO a great MVP pick because he was the unquestioned leader of that "We Are Family" team. (He actually ended up getting the same number of MVP points as Keith Hernandez, so they shared the award.)
Just because it happened doesn't make it right. Stargell had mediocre numbers, but it was a good story. His VORP was 5th on his own team, his WAR was 9th on his own team.And I say this as a Pirate fan.
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LOL, Stargell should have *never* been the MVP in 1979. He wasn't even the best player on those Pirates teams! I mean I guess you could say that the Pirates wouldn't have won the World Series without him and his "intangibles," but they definitely don't win it without Dave Parker.
Parker finished top 10 in pretty much every offensive category. Stargell only finished top ten in Slugging, but didn't have enough plate appearances to qualify.
That's exactly the nonsense that the voters have largely gotten rid of. "Intangibles" become the reason to vote for a good story instead of the best player.
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Baldelli and the Twins blew another big one last night. Baldelli doing his usually blow the entire bench by banking on the BENCH to win the game in the 9th(Just a true idiot). Only for us to lose in 11. Nick Gordon and his "intangibles" pinch runs and steals on his own....thrown out. Like 50% on the year. So bad.
Anyways. Bigger issue. The "Buxton Plan". Lets paint a sad picture.
Thursday- Team off day.
Friday- DH
Saturday- Rest
Sunday- CF
Monday- Team off day
Tuesday- CF
Today- Resting again.
The guy isnt even playing back to back days anymore. And DH's like 2-3 times a week. I dont care how frail he is, if you willingly sit him 70 games its the same as him getting hurt for 70.
Late September when we got the division in control? Heck ya sit him. So he doesnt get hurt at the very end like 2020 again.
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Baldelli and the Twins blew another big one last night. Baldelli doing his usually blow the entire bench by banking on the BENCH to win the game in the 9th(Just a true idiot). Only for us to lose in 11. Nick Gordon and his "intangibles" pinch runs and steals on his own....thrown out. Like 50% on the year. So bad.
Anyways. Bigger issue. The "Buxton Plan". Lets paint a sad picture.
Thursday- Team off day.
Friday- DH
Saturday- Rest
Sunday- CF
Monday- Team off day
Tuesday- CF
Today- Resting again.
The guy isnt even playing back to back days anymore. And DH's like 2-3 times a week. I dont care how frail he is, if you willingly sit him 70 games its the same as him getting hurt for 70.
Late September when we got the division in control? Heck ya sit him. So he doesnt get hurt at the very end like 2020 again.
What makes it even more amusing was that Baldelli is very intelligent and was looking at playing at Ivy League schools before getting drafted. Yet somehow he's brain dead as a manager.
Incredibly promising and exciting MLB career that fell short (granted due to injuries, but still). Then wins MOY his first season before showing he's clueless. What a waste of a fantastic sports name
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Baldelli cannot cotinue to manage a major league baseball team.
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Baldelli and the Twins blew another big one last night.
Don't look now...the Guardians are in first place! This is a fun team. I've got to get out and see a game.
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So my sister works for a company that runs corporate events with "give backs", aka team building with a charity component. One of their regular clients happens to be the Brewers. She was in town this week to run an event for them, but the entirety of their normal contract/hourly workforce that was vaxxed and boosted (per Brewer requirements) were working Summerfest. So I took the afternoon off work to help her out.
It was basically an hour long session where the Brewers players and coaching staff built 60 bikes for a local community organization. There was no media or press or outside attendees (outside of my sister and her colleague, myself and 2 other workers, and one woman from the org) so you really got to see the true nature of the players in their downtime, which was pretty cool. There was a photographer but he was super low key and a video camera that took a little footage I believe was showed on the broadcast last night, but I honestly never even noticed when they arrived and left.
I'd never be confused for a Brewers fan, but I couldn't be a bigger Willy Adames fan. Man, what a joyous person. We were discussing logistics with the Brewers marketing lead in the bowels of AmFam Field, and it happened to be where players and staff enter from the parking lot. Adames came in, more like bounded in, greeted all assorted staff by name, came near us, hugs the marketing lead, and goes "oh, new people, bien bien" and then gives my sister a hug when he's told shes running the event and fist bumps me before heading off singing to himself.
The Brewers were super insistent that only my sister and her colleauge were allowed to be near the players, while masked, even though the event took place on the warning track and everyone there was fully vaxxed and boosted. Which made it more ironic that we stood near that entrance for an hour and had multiple players come through and interact with us.
During the event, that protocol basically shot to hell :o. Finished bikes were supposed to be given to my sister or the coworker, and then wheeled to me or another worker who took them to the Wheel and Sproket mechanics finishing/doing checks. That last for about 10 min before players started wheeling over their own bikes, proud of their work, asking questions, or generally leaving their stations.
Ive never been a Josh Hader fan, but he built 2 and a half bikes on his own (Brewers originally said 60 players, coaches and clubhouse staff would participate, hence the 60 bikes, but that number ended up being barely 30 with players and coaches, hence a bunch of extra unbuilt bikes), was super helpful to my sister, and generally chatty. Each bike had a card that was supposed to have a message, and he offered to fill out more cards if needed. Just a solid dude (maybe its fatherhood ;D)
Jonathan Davis has one of the best laughs ever, just infectious. Mike Brousseau kept cracking my sister up cause he built one of the worst bikes but thought he crushed it. It didn't steer and the front wheel was locked but he kept referring himself as a subject matter expert to teammates and my sister.
Peter Strzelecki just happy to be up and it shows. Stopped and talked to us as he entered. Had a convo with me on the field, was chatting to the bike mechanics, just a really friendly pleasant presence.
Notable exception? Unfortunately Yelich was an absolute DOUCHE. Loudly whined that he was supposed to do a bike on his own. At one point, not even halfway into the time, said "you guys have me for 2 min more max, then im done with this crap". Then proceeded to wheel his bike over my sister's foot, she yelped in surprise, he doesnt acknowledge and Tellez goes "Yeli, dude, ran over her foot man"...to which he shrugs and continues walking while Tellez asks her if she's ok. He's also an absolute mountain of a man.
The 45 min of bike assembly was a lot of fun. The rest of the event was a mess due to the Brewers being horrible with their end of planning and logistics, but no need to go into that. Wish I had video on my phone of Adames riding his bike out to the area they congregated for a picture yelling "DALE!" like Pitbull.
Also shoutout to the absolute clown of a grounds crew member he screamed "GET THE F*** OFF MY GRASS" as I stood, not realizing half my foot was on the border of the warning track and grass...because that harmed the outfield far more than the 20 bikes that were ridden and wheeled around all over the place 15 min prior.
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Great story Wags.
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Sounds like a hell of an afternoon!
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So my sister works for a company that runs corporate events with "give backs", aka team building with a charity component. One of their regular clients happens to be the Brewers. She was in town this week to run an event for them, but the entirety of their normal contract/hourly workforce that was vaxxed and boosted (per Brewer requirements) were working Summerfest. So I took the afternoon off work to help her out.
It was basically an hour long session where the Brewers players and coaching staff built 60 bikes for a local community organization. There was no media or press or outside attendees (outside of my sister and her colleague, myself and 2 other workers, and one woman from the org) so you really got to see the true nature of the players in their downtime, which was pretty cool. There was a photographer but he was super low key and a video camera that took a little footage I believe was showed on the broadcast last night, but I honestly never even noticed when they arrived and left.
I'd never be confused for a Brewers fan, but I couldn't be a bigger Willy Adames fan. Man, what a joyous person. We were discussing logistics with the Brewers marketing lead in the bowels of AmFam Field, and it happened to be where players and staff enter from the parking lot. Adames came in, more like bounded in, greeted all assorted staff by name, came near us, hugs the marketing lead, and goes "oh, new people, bien bien" and then gives my sister a hug when he's told shes running the event and fist bumps me before heading off singing to himself.
The Brewers were super insistent that only my sister and her colleauge were allowed to be near the players, while masked, even though the event took place on the warning track and everyone there was fully vaxxed and boosted. Which made it more ironic that we stood near that entrance for an hour and had multiple players come through and interact with us.
During the event, that protocol basically shot to hell :o. Finished bikes were supposed to be given to my sister or the coworker, and then wheeled to me or another worker who took them to the Wheel and Sproket mechanics finishing/doing checks. That last for about 10 min before players started wheeling over their own bikes, proud of their work, asking questions, or generally leaving their stations.
Ive never been a Josh Hader fan, but he built 2 and a half bikes on his own (Brewers originally said 60 players, coaches and clubhouse staff would participate, hence the 60 bikes, but that number ended up being barely 30 with players and coaches, hence a bunch of extra unbuilt bikes), was super helpful to my sister, and generally chatty. Each bike had a card that was supposed to have a message, and he offered to fill out more cards if needed. Just a solid dude (maybe its fatherhood ;D)
Jonathan Davis has one of the best laughs ever, just infectious. Mike Brousseau kept cracking my sister up cause he built one of the worst bikes but thought he crushed it. It didn't steer and the front wheel was locked but he kept referring himself as a subject matter expert to teammates and my sister.
Peter Strzelecki just happy to be up and it shows. Stopped and talked to us as he entered. Had a convo with me on the field, was chatting to the bike mechanics, just a really friendly pleasant presence.
Notable exception? Unfortunately Yelich was an absolute DOUCHE. Loudly whined that he was supposed to do a bike on his own. At one point, not even halfway into the time, said "you guys have me for 2 min more max, then im done with this crap". Then proceeded to wheel his bike over my sister's foot, she yelped in surprise, he doesnt acknowledge and Tellez goes "Yeli, dude, ran over her foot man"...to which he shrugs and continues walking while Tellez asks her if she's ok. He's also an absolute mountain of a man.
The 45 min of bike assembly was a lot of fun. The rest of the event was a mess due to the Brewers being horrible with their end of planning and logistics, but no need to go into that. Wish I had video on my phone of Adames riding his bike out to the area they congregated for a picture yelling "DALE!" like Pitbull.
Also shoutout to the absolute clown of a grounds crew member he screamed "GET THE F*** OFF MY GRASS" as I stood, not realizing half my foot was on the border of the warning track and grass...because that harmed the outfield far more than the 20 bikes that were ridden and wheeled around all over the place 15 min prior.
Hader was awesome talking to my son at spring training. Super nice guy.
Yeli was a douche that day too. I don't think he's having any fun playing baseball right now. Could be part of his problem.
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https://twitter.com/Brewers/status/1540749166116188162?t=wbHAbUqjPzimXWIv5mv4UA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/Brewers/status/1540749166116188162?t=wbHAbUqjPzimXWIv5mv4UA&s=19)
Featuring 1) Yeli working hard and 2) the whole group on the precious grass. 😂😂
So my sister works for a company that runs corporate events with "give backs", aka team building with a charity component. One of their regular clients happens to be the Brewers. She was in town this week to run an event for them, but the entirety of their normal contract/hourly workforce that was vaxxed and boosted (per Brewer requirements) were working Summerfest. So I took the afternoon off work to help her out.
It was basically an hour long session where the Brewers players and coaching staff built 60 bikes for a local community organization. There was no media or press or outside attendees (outside of my sister and her colleague, myself and 2 other workers, and one woman from the org) so you really got to see the true nature of the players in their downtime, which was pretty cool. There was a photographer but he was super low key and a video camera that took a little footage I believe was showed on the broadcast last night, but I honestly never even noticed when they arrived and left.
I'd never be confused for a Brewers fan, but I couldn't be a bigger Willy Adames fan. Man, what a joyous person. We were discussing logistics with the Brewers marketing lead in the bowels of AmFam Field, and it happened to be where players and staff enter from the parking lot. Adames came in, more like bounded in, greeted all assorted staff by name, came near us, hugs the marketing lead, and goes "oh, new people, bien bien" and then gives my sister a hug when he's told shes running the event and fist bumps me before heading off singing to himself.
The Brewers were super insistent that only my sister and her colleauge were allowed to be near the players, while masked, even though the event took place on the warning track and everyone there was fully vaxxed and boosted. Which made it more ironic that we stood near that entrance for an hour and had multiple players come through and interact with us.
During the event, that protocol basically shot to hell :o. Finished bikes were supposed to be given to my sister or the coworker, and then wheeled to me or another worker who took them to the Wheel and Sproket mechanics finishing/doing checks. That last for about 10 min before players started wheeling over their own bikes, proud of their work, asking questions, or generally leaving their stations.
Ive never been a Josh Hader fan, but he built 2 and a half bikes on his own (Brewers originally said 60 players, coaches and clubhouse staff would participate, hence the 60 bikes, but that number ended up being barely 30 with players and coaches, hence a bunch of extra unbuilt bikes), was super helpful to my sister, and generally chatty. Each bike had a card that was supposed to have a message, and he offered to fill out more cards if needed. Just a solid dude (maybe its fatherhood ;D)
Jonathan Davis has one of the best laughs ever, just infectious. Mike Brousseau kept cracking my sister up cause he built one of the worst bikes but thought he crushed it. It didn't steer and the front wheel was locked but he kept referring himself as a subject matter expert to teammates and my sister.
Peter Strzelecki just happy to be up and it shows. Stopped and talked to us as he entered. Had a convo with me on the field, was chatting to the bike mechanics, just a really friendly pleasant presence.
Notable exception? Unfortunately Yelich was an absolute DOUCHE. Loudly whined that he was supposed to do a bike on his own. At one point, not even halfway into the time, said "you guys have me for 2 min more max, then im done with this crap". Then proceeded to wheel his bike over my sister's foot, she yelped in surprise, he doesnt acknowledge and Tellez goes "Yeli, dude, ran over her foot man"...to which he shrugs and continues walking while Tellez asks her if she's ok. He's also an absolute mountain of a man.
The 45 min of bike assembly was a lot of fun. The rest of the event was a mess due to the Brewers being horrible with their end of planning and logistics, but no need to go into that. Wish I had video on my phone of Adames riding his bike out to the area they congregated for a picture yelling "DALE!" like Pitbull.
Also shoutout to the absolute clown of a grounds crew member he screamed "GET THE F*** OFF MY GRASS" as I stood, not realizing half my foot was on the border of the warning track and grass...because that harmed the outfield far more than the 20 bikes that were ridden and wheeled around all over the place 15 min prior.
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AL Central is still a competitive race because of Emilio Pagan and Rocco continuing to use him.
The Twins have lost 3 games to the Guardians in the last week(won 3 as well). Should be 6-0 in those games and 8-1 overall against them but Pagan has contributed to blowing 3 games.
Heck of a win in the second game of the DH though. Winder good to be back.
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AL Central is still a competitive race because of Emilio Pagan and Rocco continuing to use him.
The Twins have lost 3 games to the Guardians in the last week(won 3 as well). Should be 6-0 in those games and 8-1 overall against them but Pagan has contributed to blowing 3 games.
Heck of a win in the second game of the DH though. Winder good to be back.
Red Sox lost one last night because their closer is not COVID vaccinated and therefore not allowed to travel to Canada. Others blew the save in the 9th to the Blue Jays. Does anyone know if players who are not vaccinated have their salaries reduced for games they can't play because they are no vaccinated? I think the Red Sox play 9 games in Toronto this year, so that would be 1/18th of their total salary.
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From The Athletic:
Angels reliever Archie Bradley has gone eight consecutive outings without allowing an earned run. Now he can’t pitch for a while because he fractured his throwing elbow falling out of the dugout during Sunday's brawl with the Seattle Mariners.
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So my sister works for a company that runs corporate events with "give backs", aka team building with a charity component. One of their regular clients happens to be the Brewers. She was in town this week to run an event for them, but the entirety of their normal contract/hourly workforce that was vaxxed and boosted (per Brewer requirements) were working Summerfest. So I took the afternoon off work to help her out.
It was basically an hour long session where the Brewers players and coaching staff built 60 bikes for a local community organization. There was no media or press or outside attendees (outside of my sister and her colleague, myself and 2 other workers, and one woman from the org) so you really got to see the true nature of the players in their downtime, which was pretty cool. There was a photographer but he was super low key and a video camera that took a little footage I believe was showed on the broadcast last night, but I honestly never even noticed when they arrived and left.
I'd never be confused for a Brewers fan, but I couldn't be a bigger Willy Adames fan. Man, what a joyous person. We were discussing logistics with the Brewers marketing lead in the bowels of AmFam Field, and it happened to be where players and staff enter from the parking lot. Adames came in, more like bounded in, greeted all assorted staff by name, came near us, hugs the marketing lead, and goes "oh, new people, bien bien" and then gives my sister a hug when he's told shes running the event and fist bumps me before heading off singing to himself.
The Brewers were super insistent that only my sister and her colleauge were allowed to be near the players, while masked, even though the event took place on the warning track and everyone there was fully vaxxed and boosted. Which made it more ironic that we stood near that entrance for an hour and had multiple players come through and interact with us.
During the event, that protocol basically shot to hell :o. Finished bikes were supposed to be given to my sister or the coworker, and then wheeled to me or another worker who took them to the Wheel and Sproket mechanics finishing/doing checks. That last for about 10 min before players started wheeling over their own bikes, proud of their work, asking questions, or generally leaving their stations.
Ive never been a Josh Hader fan, but he built 2 and a half bikes on his own (Brewers originally said 60 players, coaches and clubhouse staff would participate, hence the 60 bikes, but that number ended up being barely 30 with players and coaches, hence a bunch of extra unbuilt bikes), was super helpful to my sister, and generally chatty. Each bike had a card that was supposed to have a message, and he offered to fill out more cards if needed. Just a solid dude (maybe its fatherhood ;D)
Jonathan Davis has one of the best laughs ever, just infectious. Mike Brousseau kept cracking my sister up cause he built one of the worst bikes but thought he crushed it. It didn't steer and the front wheel was locked but he kept referring himself as a subject matter expert to teammates and my sister.
Peter Strzelecki just happy to be up and it shows. Stopped and talked to us as he entered. Had a convo with me on the field, was chatting to the bike mechanics, just a really friendly pleasant presence.
Notable exception? Unfortunately Yelich was an absolute DOUCHE. Loudly whined that he was supposed to do a bike on his own. At one point, not even halfway into the time, said "you guys have me for 2 min more max, then im done with this crap". Then proceeded to wheel his bike over my sister's foot, she yelped in surprise, he doesnt acknowledge and Tellez goes "Yeli, dude, ran over her foot man"...to which he shrugs and continues walking while Tellez asks her if she's ok. He's also an absolute mountain of a man.
The 45 min of bike assembly was a lot of fun. The rest of the event was a mess due to the Brewers being horrible with their end of planning and logistics, but no need to go into that. Wish I had video on my phone of Adames riding his bike out to the area they congregated for a picture yelling "DALE!" like Pitbull.
Also shoutout to the absolute clown of a grounds crew member he screamed "GET THE F*** OFF MY GRASS" as I stood, not realizing half my foot was on the border of the warning track and grass...because that harmed the outfield far more than the 20 bikes that were ridden and wheeled around all over the place 15 min prior.
Yadi would have built 4 minimum.
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Red Sox lost one last night because their closer is not COVID vaccinated and therefore not allowed to travel to Canada. Others blew the save in the 9th to the Blue Jays. Does anyone know if players who are not vaccinated have their salaries reduced for games they can't play because they are no vaccinated? I think the Red Sox play 9 games in Toronto this year, so that would be 1/18th of their total salary.
I don’t know the answer to your question.
But it sucks for the Red Sox that they also won’t have their closer for a late-Sept series in Toronto that could determine whether or not they reach the playoffs. Also sucks that they won’t have their closer if they happen to have a wild-card game in Toronto.
Great teammate.
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AL Central is still a competitive race because of Emilio Pagan and Rocco continuing to use him.
The Twins have lost 3 games to the Guardians in the last week(won 3 as well). Should be 6-0 in those games and 8-1 overall against them but Pagan has contributed to blowing 3 games.
Heck of a win in the second game of the DH though. Winder good to be back.
I don't pay much attention to the Twins, but my buddy who is a rabid Indians Guardians fan texted me that the Twins challenged a utterly meaningless out at first base the other night while up 9-0 in the 8th. Given what Ive read about the management insanity here, it made me laugh. Its stupid at best, a major dickhead move at worst.
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I don't pay much attention to the Twins, but my buddy who is a rabid Indians Guardians fan texted me that the Twins challenged a utterly meaningless out at first base the other night while up 9-0 in the 8th. Given what Ive read about the management insanity here, it made me laugh. Its stupid at best, a major dickhead move at worst.
Ha that doesn't surprise me. I missed that one since we were up so big I got caught up on other things with my Monday night.
Baffling again tonight though. Playing the Guardins in game 4 of the big 5 game set(up 3 games over all)
We got Bundy on the mound and decide to bench Buxton and Correa again. Now its baseball, so not impossible we win(down 2-0 right away though) but its basically the equivalent of running the ball 3 times after 1st and 20.
Worst part is we face Bieber tomorrow so that was already daunting.
Solid chance it gets down to 1. Why they didnt just push Bundy back a day and then sit Correa/Buxton for the day game. No man knows. I'd prefer to just full blown punt against Bieber. Rather than do this tonight, and pray to salvage the series vs Bieber.
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Unvaccinated players who miss games in Toronto are not paid for those missed games.
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Buxton should just retire. I’ve seen 6 year olds tougher than him.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHA Baldelli blows another.
Seriously, its gotten to the point where we have to hope he just gets hit by a bus or something.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHA Baldelli blows another.
Seriously, its gotten to the point where we have to hope he just gets hit by a bus or something.
Baldelli is a HoFer compared to the HoF baseball person in Chicago.
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Baldelli is a HoFer compared to the HoF baseball person in Chicago.
They are both really bad.
At least the one in Chicago had it at one point in time.
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They are both really bad.
At least the one in Chicago had it at one point in time.
We are in agreement.
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Twins have to figure out what to do with Chirs Archer. They cant just keep using him as a starter with standard relievers. Hes just as much the reason for the pen being shot as baldelli.
Todays line. 4 innings, 90 pitches, 45 strikes, 1 hit, 1 run, 6 walks, 1 hit batter.
He entered today with a 3.14 era but a FIP of 4.73. Hes hanging on by a thread.
He now has throw 61.33 innings this year in a whopping 15 starts. A ghastly 4.1 innings per start.
They are gonna have to start piggy backing long reliever/starters with him.
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Twins have to figure out what to do with Chirs Archer. They cant just keep using him as a starter with standard relievers. Hes just as much the reason for the pen being shot as baldelli.
Todays line. 4 innings, 90 pitches, 45 strikes, 1 hit, 1 run, 6 walks, 1 hit batter.
He entered today with a 3.14 era but a FIP of 4.73. Hes hanging on by a thread.
He now has throw 61.33 innings this year in a whopping 15 starts. A ghastly 4.1 innings per start.
They are gonna have to start piggy backing long reliever/starters with him.
Another blown game.
Because Archer only goes 4 innings and Baldelli has run every reliever into the ground.
We had to use Tyler fu cking Thornburg in the 8th and 9th. 4 runs.
We have up 5 runs on 3 hits today.
Falvey and Baldelli both have got to gtfo.
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Such a huge advantage for Cleveland to have Franncona in the dugout.
And Buxton has become a poor man’s Adam Dunn. Enjoy that $100 million contract.
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Such a huge advantage for Cleveland to have Franncona in the dugout.
And Buxton has become a poor man’s Adam Dunn. Enjoy that $100 million contract.
Baldelli had first base open and pitched to Gimenez the lefty who leads the league with RISP.
Franmil F'ing Reyes was on deck. Incredible.
Bit extreme on Buxton. Still got a wail of a slugging % and his deal is actually a total steal. But yeah, its pretty sad the approach the Twins have taken. Completely neutralized all his assets outside power and made him a DH slugger.
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Cardinals make history:
https://nypost.com/2022/07/02/cardinals-make-mlb-history-with-four-straight-home-runs-in-first-inning/
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It is the Cardinal way.
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It is the Cardinal way.
Yadi has hit 4 homeruns in one at bat
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Why are the Yankees so good?
They have allowed an unearned run in TWO games this year. They went 52 games without allowing one. No team has ever done that.
This is a team that miraculously has a winning record (24-21) even in games in which it trails at any point. Record of the other five first-place teams in those games: 74-154. And Baseball-Reference’s Katie Sharp reports that only six teams in the modern era have ever had a winning record in this category over a full season, including just one in the last 68 years. The Yankees actually have a better OPS when they’re trailing (.837) than when they’re leading (.757). The average team hits almost 50 points worse when trailing than leading. … Finally, the Yankees haven’t lost a series to any team that currently sits at .500 or better. They’ve played 10 series against teams that fit that profile. Their record: 8 wins, 2 splits, 24-11 overall.
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It is the Cardinal way.
I am not complaining.
Yadi's home runs must have come while he was on the disabled list!
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Great base running by the Sox really helped the Twins get that one
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Great base running by the Sox really helped the Twins get that one
Baldelli made a note on how to lose a future game in that way
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Yup! Historic...
https://nypost.com/2022/07/05/twins-pull-off-historic-triple-play-against-clueless-white-sox/
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Shoutout for Buxton not getting hurt on the play.
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Kopech has been struggling with his control lately.
And the Twins came out with a fantastic patient approach. Did not miss when he missed.
Hopefully our pen can hold.
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A Twins win tomorrow will stick a fork in the White Sox (who are 16-23 at home, 16-23!).
Sneaky big series out west starts tomorrow with a really struggling Toronto team visiting a surging Seattle Mariners team in a 4 game set. Blue Jays hold last wild card spot, with Seattle 4 back. Mariners this morning we’re +340 to make the playoffs.
Mariners last 20 games of the season:
4 @ Angels
3 @ A’s
3 @ Royals
3 vs Rangers
3 vs A’s
4 vs Tigers
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A Twins win tomorrow will stick a fork in the White Sox (who are 16-23 at home, 16-23!).
Sneaky big series out west starts tomorrow with a really struggling Toronto team visiting a surging Seattle Mariners team in a 4 game set. Blue Jays hold last wild card spot, with Seattle 4 back. Mariners this morning we’re +340 to make the playoffs.
Mariners last 20 games of the season:
4 @ Angels
3 @ A’s
3 @ Royals
3 vs Rangers
3 vs A’s
4 vs Tigers
It’s July 5th. There wouldn’t be a fork in them even if it was August 5th.
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It’s July 5th. There wouldn’t be a fork in them even if it was August 5th.
The eye test/body language suggests otherwise. A loss tomorrow would also put them at 1-10 combined versus Minnesota & Cleveland. That photo going around of Jose Abreu postgame tonight says it all.
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This is why the division isnt over yet. Rocco Baldelli and the FO all need to unnatural carnal knowledgeing burn in hell. Its flat out incompetence every single time. Newest break down.
First the FO obviously for still not getting bullpen help as we blew FIVE leads today. Yes 5.
Now for Rocco. It all started last night. Up 8-2. Inexplicably throws Duffey for a second straight game. Our hottest reliever(and best track record) unavailable today.
Brings in trash can Pagan immediately in the 5th(we know the story). That lead is gone.
Duran who goes over 1 inning all the time. Sitting in the bullpen vs the top of the Sox order so Megill can blow the game.
Duran then pulled for the 10th after 8 pitches.
Here is the best one. 2 on no outs in the 10th. Roccos strategy is to not bunt Urshela and then have Ryan Jeffers bat. Yes, Ryan fu cking Jeffers and his sub .200 overage and OPS+ of 76. We had Sanchez and Correa available and Luis Arraez and his .350 average on deck.
Only a Jeffers DP can ruin that inning. And the moron let Jeffers bat. Its incredible.
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Why are the Yankees so good?
They have allowed an unearned run in TWO games this year. They went 52 games without allowing one. No team has ever done that.
This is a team that miraculously has a winning record (24-21) even in games in which it trails at any point. Record of the other five first-place teams in those games: 74-154. And Baseball-Reference’s Katie Sharp reports that only six teams in the modern era have ever had a winning record in this category over a full season, including just one in the last 68 years. The Yankees actually have a better OPS when they’re trailing (.837) than when they’re leading (.757). The average team hits almost 50 points worse when trailing than leading. … Finally, the Yankees haven’t lost a series to any team that currently sits at .500 or better. They’ve played 10 series against teams that fit that profile. Their record: 8 wins, 2 splits, 24-11 overall.
As a life long Yankee fan I could not be more ecstatic, but let's see how they finish the season. I am not sure if the pitching will hold up in those short series playoff games. Number 28 looks like a real possibility though.
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This should make 1 scoopers day and surprise, its because of a written rule!
"I am delighted that Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera have agreed to participate in the All-Star Game," Manfred said in a statement. "Albert and Miguel are two of the most accomplished players of their generation. They have also represented the baseball traditions of the Dominican Republic and Venezuela with excellence for the last two decades. Albert and Miguel are two all-time greats whose achievements warrant this special recognition."
Manfred is allowed to honor both players with All-Star selections because of a new clause in the Collective Bargaining Agreement which gives the commissioner the ability to add one player to each of the rosters of the American League and the National League "in recognition of each players' career achievements," per the Athletic.
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This should make 1 scoopers day and surprise, its because of a written rule!
"I am delighted that Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera have agreed to participate in the All-Star Game," Manfred said in a statement. "Albert and Miguel are two of the most accomplished players of their generation. They have also represented the baseball traditions of the Dominican Republic and Venezuela with excellence for the last two decades. Albert and Miguel are two all-time greats whose achievements warrant this special recognition."
Manfred is allowed to honor both players with All-Star selections because of a new clause in the Collective Bargaining Agreement which gives the commissioner the ability to add one player to each of the rosters of the American League and the National League "in recognition of each players' career achievements," per the Athletic.
Pujols can warn of the dangers of PED abuse destroying your body and warn players that’s the Cardinals Way
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That is cool. Probably a curtain call for Pujols. Miggie might have been the Tigers representative anyway.
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I like that idea. I think the all star game should be more about excellence over the course of a few seasons rather than just getting a hot start at the beginning of the year anyway.
Probably won't watch it anyway.
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That is cool. Probably a curtain call for Pujols. Miggie might have been the Tigers representative anyway.
Gotta give it to Skubal for being an absolute cornerstone of that rotation
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14 different starting pitchers at the halfway mark. And somehow the hitting is the issue.
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14 different starting pitchers at the halfway mark. And somehow the hitting is the issue.
It's a little better since they brought up Greene.
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That coincided with Baez starting to hit the ball. Detroit was on a pace to finish with fewer than 500 runs scored for the season. A little better lately.
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https://twitter.com/BallySportsNOR/status/1545580063554428929
Gotta play him in the OF
His all or nothing at the plate approach is much better when he also plays D
Holy Hell
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Baltimore Orioles have a better record than the White Sox.
It’s about to be July 9th.
This team is sooooo done. This is the least likable Sox team I can remember. Video here is telling as to how little life these guys have.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1545555211414028290?s=21&t=sCmdkhPzJ0-sz7DafMtlNQ
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https://twitter.com/BallySportsNOR/status/1545580063554428929
Gotta play him in the OF
His all or nothing at the plate approach is much better when he also plays D
Holy Hell
But he is still Dave Kingman at the plate - when he plays.
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But he is still Dave Kingman at the plate - when he plays.
Hence, why I said the D adds value.
But the analogy still wrong.
Anytime Kingmans average was around Buxtons now. He slugging % was no where near .550
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Hence, why I said the D adds value.
But the analogy still wrong.
Anytime Kingmans average was around Buxtons now. He slugging % was no where near .550
But Kingman actually has a higher slugging % for his career.
I’d take a young Kingman over a young Buxton eight days a week.
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But Kingman actually has a higher slugging % for his career.
I’d take a young Kingman over a young Buxton eight days a week.
Well yeah, Buxton sucked something awful when he first came up. Also the "career" slugging is already close.
Buxton has been very consisent in developing his power for 4 years now. Health has been the hinderance.
But now for some reason hes also decided to just sacrifice any sort of approach this year for the crazy power as well.
His slugging numbers wont dip through is prime. I just also at this point dont think he ever takes the time to being a complete hitter either.
Most of it is on the Twins as well. Its clearly a direction this year they want him going in. Yet its a complete oxymoron to bat the guy 2nd every game then. He should just be a middle of the order slugger if we are not even gonna attempt to utilize the speed.
A better organization and I think Buxton is closer to a .280 hitter
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Well yeah, Buxton sucked something awful when he first came up. Also the "career" slugging is already close.
Buxton has been very consisent in developing his power for 4 years now. Health has been the hinderance.
But now for some reason hes also decided to just sacrifice any sort of approach this year for the crazy power as well.
His slugging numbers wont dip through is prime. I just also at this point dont think he ever takes the time to being a complete hitter either.
Most of it is on the Twins as well. Its clearly a direction this year they want him going in. Yet its a complete oxymoron to bat the guy 2nd every game then. He should just be a middle of the order slugger if we are not even gonna attempt to utilize the speed.
A better organization and I think Buxton is closer to a .280 hitter
I agree. The only reason that I would choose Kingman, though is because he played every day and Buxton is just a cheerleader 50% of the time. I think he only has one year where he played over 95 games.
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I agree. The only reason that I would choose Kingman, though is because he played every day and Buxton is just a cheerleader 50% of the time. I think he only has one year where he played over 95 games.
Hey, the strategy has him on pace for 100 this year!!!
Of course thats assuming he doesnt get actually injured through the end of the year.
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I like that idea. I think the all star game should be more about excellence over the course of a few seasons rather than just getting a hot start at the beginning of the year anyway.
Probably won't watch it anyway.
Excellence over a few seasons vs one half of a good season? I don’t have a problem with that.
Stumblebum who has been worse than a replacement player for years (Pujols)? No way. At least Cabrera can still hit, but a 1st baseman with 3 HRs in 257 AB doesn’t belong either. Both were great players for a long time but haven’t been for years.
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Excellence over a few seasons vs one half of a good season? I don’t have a problem with that.
Stumblebum who has been worse than a replacement player for years (Pujols)? No way. At least Cabrera can still hit, but a 1st baseman with 3 HRs in 257 AB doesn’t belong either. Both were great players for a long time but haven’t been for years.
I’m surprised they chose Pujols over Molina.
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Excellence over a few seasons vs one half of a good season? I don’t have a problem with that.
Stumblebum who has been worse than a replacement player for years (Pujols)? No way. At least Cabrera can still hit, but a 1st baseman with 3 HRs in 257 AB doesn’t belong either. Both were great players for a long time but haven’t been for years.
TBH Pujols makes more sense than Cabrera.
This is Pujols last year. So yeah, awarding the legendary career and letting the fans see him go out.
We have no idea when Cabrera is hanging them up. There is a chance we have to do this for him for the next 5 years.
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I’m surprised they chose Pujols over Molina.
The game wouldn't be fair if he NL had a ringer like Molina.
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Miggie is done after 23. When his contract ends.
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Rough week for the brewers… 4-6 against the pirates and cubs is no bueno.
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Rough week for the brewers… 4-6 against the pirates and cubs is no bueno.
This team drives me nuts. Counsell going to Suter and Chi Chi in a one run game, with an off day tomorrow, was terrible.
More than anything, it's the lack of ambition that pisses me off. This is the time to spend! The window won't be open forever with the pitching under team control. Everyone knew the offense is an issue and the answer was... Andrew McCutchen?
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The game wouldn't be fair if he NL had a ringer like Molina.
Both should have been selected, even if Yadi is on the DL.
As to the quibble about PEDs being the Cardinal way, hell, we haven't had a PED case since Missouri named Interstate 70 north of St. Louis after Mark "Chemical Man" McGwire.
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Both should have been selected, even if Yadi is on the DL.
As to the quibble about PEDs being the Cardinal way, hell, we haven't had a PED case since Missouri named Interstate 70 north of St. Louis after Mark "Chemical Man" McGwire.
You might want to google that.
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This should make 1 scoopers day and surprise, its because of a written rule!
"I am delighted that Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera have agreed to participate in the All-Star Game," Manfred said in a statement. "Albert and Miguel are two of the most accomplished players of their generation. They have also represented the baseball traditions of the Dominican Republic and Venezuela with excellence for the last two decades. Albert and Miguel are two all-time greats whose achievements warrant this special recognition."
Manfred is allowed to honor both players with All-Star selections because of a new clause in the Collective Bargaining Agreement which gives the commissioner the ability to add one player to each of the rosters of the American League and the National League "in recognition of each players' career achievements," per the Athletic.
Its a good thing to do. They did a similar thing in 1983 adding Carl Yastrzemski and Johnny Bench in their last year in the majors.
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Why isn't Yadi in the HR Derby? Is MLB scared that he will embarrass the best power hitters in the game?
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Baltimore Orioles have a better record than the White Sox.
It’s about to be July 9th.
This team is sooooo done. This is the least likable Sox team I can remember. Video here is telling as to how little life these guys have.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1545555211414028290?s=21&t=sCmdkhPzJ0-sz7DafMtlNQ
Nightengale had an article the other day where he mentioned dissension and cliques in the clubhouse. My question is - who gave him that information?
It was clearly an attempt to put all of the blame on the players and exonerate LaRussa of blame for this hot mess. My take is that it either came from Williams or Reinsdorf. I can't think of anyone else that would defend LaRussa at this point. Won't this just create a bigger break between management and the players? Why won't Reinsdorf do what Philly did to Girardi? When something clearly isn't working, why try did your heels in even harder.
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Because Reinsdorf is loyal to a fault. And has a history of protecting his guys and treating players as largely replaceable.
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Nightengale had an article the other day where he mentioned dissension and cliques in the clubhouse. My question is - who gave him that information?
It was clearly an attempt to put all of the blame on the players and exonerate LaRussa of blame for this hot mess. My take is that it either came from Williams or Reinsdorf. I can't think of anyone else that would defend LaRussa at this point. Won't this just create a bigger break between management and the players? Why won't Reinsdorf do what Philly did to Girardi? When something clearly isn't working, why try did your heels in even harder.
Any mope can put in a relief pitcher or call for a hit-and-run. Hell, managers don’t even have to do double-switches anymore.
By far the most important job today’s MLB manager has is ego management, getting players to believe in themselves and each other.
So if there’s dissension in the ranks, as Reinsdorf’s people are alleging, that’s La Russia’s fault, too.
He’s gotta go.
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Any mope can put in a relief pitcher or call for a hit-and-run. Hell, managers don’t even have to do double-switches anymore.
By far the most important job today’s MLB manager has is ego management, getting players to believe in themselves and each other.
So if there’s dissension in the ranks, as Reinsdorf’s people are alleging, that’s La Russia’s fault, too.
He’s gotta go.
I disagree, Mike.
Baserunning, defense, player positioning are all very important. The Sox are as bad of a team fundamentally and hustle-wise (some players have been told not to run hard in certain situations) as any team I can recall in recent memory.
Of course it still comes to the same conclusion. LaRussa has to go.
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I disagree, Mike.
Baserunning, defense, player positioning are all very important. The Sox are as bad of a team fundamentally and hustle-wise (some players have been told not to run hard in certain situations) as any team I can recall in recent memory.
Of course it still comes to the same conclusion. LaRussa has to go.
I’ll defer to you about how fundamentally poor the White Sox are because I haven’t seen them play 2 innings this season.
But believe it or not, MLB managers are not involved much in most of the stuff you mentioned.
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Tim Anderson's splits since rumors of his affair came out publicly on June 13th:
Before June 13th .356/.393/.503
Since June 13th .238/.282/.263
It's clearly impacted him, because he has utterly sucked on the field and running the bases too over the last month.
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I’ll defer to you about how fundamentally poor the White Sox are because I haven’t seen them play 2 innings this season.
But believe it or not, MLB managers are not involved much in most of the stuff you mentioned.
To your greater point, I agree. Managers are not AS involved in decisions about the team overall - up to and including setting the lineups. But they still make most calls during the game. As slow as baseball can seem, there are numerous decisions that a manager makes every inning.
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Any mope can put in a relief pitcher or call for a hit-and-run. Hell, managers don’t even have to do double-switches anymore.
By far the most important job today’s MLB manager has is ego management, getting players to believe in themselves and each other.
So if there’s dissension in the ranks, as Reinsdorf’s people are alleging, that’s La Russia’s fault, too.
He’s gotta go.
Is Hawk Harrelson available to be wheeled out as interim? Mercy!
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Both should have been selected, even if Yadi is on the DL.
As to the quibble about PEDs being the Cardinal way, hell, we haven't had a PED case since Missouri named Interstate 70 north of St. Louis after Mark "Chemical Man" McGwire.
The Yadiots are a delusional bunch.
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https://twitter.com/Starting9/status/1546928661907099655
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To your greater point, I agree. Managers are not AS involved in decisions about the team overall - up to and including setting the lineups. But they still make most calls during the game. As slow as baseball can seem, there are numerous decisions that a manager makes every inning.
You could do it.
Managing the egos … I have a little less confidence in you there! (But still probably more than in TLR.)
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You could do it.
Managing the egos … I have a little less confidence in you there! (But still probably more than in TLR.)
It would be a breeze after dealing with the egos on Scoop.
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Jose Miranda is Josh Hader's daddy
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Jose Miranda is Josh Hader's daddy
I don't think Jeffers can be a daddy after that game ;D
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Jose Miranda is Josh Hader's daddy
Hader’s numbers in save situations vs. Non-save situations are insane. Could be nothing, but it’s interesting.
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I don't think Jeffers can be a daddy after that game ;D
That one definitely looked rough
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Sox and Guardians predictably split 2-2
Twins split 1-1 with the Brewers
Standings push while the Guardians and Sox get two of their games in hand on the Twins completed.
Definite win for us. Definitely a medicore divison.
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Sox and Guardians predictably split 2-2
Twins split 1-1 with the Brewers
Standings push while the Guardians and Sox get two of their games in hand on the Twins completed.
Definite win for us. Definitely a medicore divison.
I believe Buxton is 6 for his last 59 ABs. He's making javy Baez look like a skilled hitter.
BTW, I complain about him a lot cuz he is on my fantasy team. I can't even give him away for a 3rd or 4th starter.
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I believe Buxton is 6 for his last 59 ABs. He's making javy Baez look like a skilled hitter.
BTW, I complain about him a lot cuz he is on my fantasy team. I can't even give him away for a 3rd or 4th starter.
He might need to go back to not playing everyday.
Dont think hes sat out in a while. And he cant hit the baseball. Pretty nuts hes still top 15 in slugging
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@StatsBySTATS
: this is only the 6th time in MLB history that a sub-.400 team won a road series vs a .700+ team (min 50 games into the season)
1906 Superbas/Cubs
1928 Tigers/Yankees
1939 Browns/Yankees
1955 Pirates/Dodgers
2001 Royals/Mariners
2022 Reds/Yanks
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@StatsBySTATS
: this is only the 6th time in MLB history that a sub-.400 team won a road series vs a .700+ team (min 50 games into the season)
1906 Superbas/Cubs
Seems a good time to remember that the Dodgers name upon entering the NL 120+ years ago was the Brooklyn Bridegrooms...which is a special kind of terrible even for the era
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@StatsBySTATS
: this is only the 6th time in MLB history that a sub-.400 team won a road series vs a .700+ team (min 50 games into the season)
1906 Superbas/Cubs
1928 Tigers/Yankees
1939 Browns/Yankees
1955 Pirates/Dodgers
2001 Royals/Mariners
2022 Reds/Yanks
Wow.
And by that I don't mean, "Wow, that's amazing." I mean, "Wow, what a silly stat to track."
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Wow.
And by that I don't mean, "Wow, that's amazing." I mean, "Wow, what a silly stat to track."
I think it's cool. Honestly surprised it has only happened 6 times and only 2 times in the past 65 years
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I think it's cool. Honestly surprised it has only happened 6 times and only 2 times in the past 65 years
That was my thought. With the randomness of baseball, I figured it would happen more often.
Maybe the percentages are extreme enough the matchups don’t happen as much. Looking now, there’s not a team over .700.
You’d think it would happen a few times a year with a division leader and the last place teams. Especially the AL East.
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Probably not a frequent enough matchup for random variability to make it happen often. Only like 10 teams have finished over .700 on the season.
As to it being a silly stat to track, my guess is less that it was something that's actively tracked, and more just that the database software is designed to track *everything* and then spit out weird confluences. That's how you'll get goofy twitter headlines like "First player with an X in his first and last name to reach base via catcher's interference" or some equivalent nonsense.
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Probably not a frequent enough matchup for random variability to make it happen often. Only like 10 teams have finished over .700 on the season.
As to it being a silly stat to track, my guess is less that it was something that's actively tracked, and more just that the database software is designed to track *everything* and then spit out weird confluences. That's how you'll get goofy twitter headlines like "First player with an X in his first and last name to reach base via catcher's interference" or some equivalent nonsense.
Yes, that all makes sense.
My son and I have a running conversation in which we text each other anytime we see those dopey stats packages that ESPN seems to love:
Joe Blow is the first MLB player in 35 years with 2,600 hits, 350 doubles and 275 stolen bases.
Good for Joe!
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Wow.
And by that I don't mean, "Wow, that's amazing." I mean, "Wow, what a silly stat to track."
If you're a fan of the Redlegs, you take what you can get.
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Yes, that all makes sense.
My son and I have a running conversation in which we text each other anytime we see those dopey stats packages that ESPN seems to love:
Joe Blow is the first MLB player in 35 years with 2,600 hits, 350 doubles and 275 stolen bases.
Good for Joe!
Along the same vein, I hate it when sportscasters say something like "Player X is making history.". Well, technically, everyone is making history, some just may be more memorable.
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@StatsBySTATS
: this is only the 6th time in MLB history that a sub-.400 team won a road series vs a .700+ team (min 50 games into the season)
1906 Superbas/Cubs
1928 Tigers/Yankees
1939 Browns/Yankees
1955 Pirates/Dodgers
2001 Royals/Mariners
2022 Reds/Yanks
The most amazing thing about this stat is the Cubs were over 700 50 games into the season
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If you're a fan of the Redlegs, you take what you can get.
Must have been a big fan of Pinson, Robinson, Bilko, Nuxhall, etc.?
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Must have been a big fan of Pinson, Robinson, Bilko, Nuxhall, etc.?
JB #5.
Saw Pinson play in Wausau when he was 17 years old. Guy could run like the wind.
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The most amazing thing about this stat is the Cubs were over 700 50 games into the season
Tinker to Evers to Chance.
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JB #5.
Saw Pinson play in Wausau when he was 17 years old. Guy could run like the wind.
Pinson was a very underrated player, IMO. Very close to the 300-300 club, along with 100+ triples, and pretty close to 3000 hits.
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Along the same vein, I hate it when sportscasters say something like "Player X is making history.". Well, technically, everyone is making history, some just may be more memorable.
Exactly. And I really hate it when they call something a "record" that isn't a record at all.
Being the youngest player with 140 HR, 90 doubles and 35 sacrifice flies isn't a "record," it's a mishmash of stats.
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Pinson was a very underrated player, IMO. Very close to the 300-300 club, along with 100+ triples, and pretty close to 3000 hits.
I think what hurts him is that he was so good as a young player, but then really leveled off by his mid-late 20s.
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I think what hurts him is that he was so good as a young player, but then really leveled off by his mid-late 20s.
Exactly. He hit over 300 4 times by the time he was 26 (including his incredible year in 61 when he and Frankie led the Reds to the pennant) and then he never hit over 290 after that. Something happened to him physically I think.
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Josh Hader, wtf?
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I don't know what Counsell's deal is this season but he's being incredibly stubborn. Had to go get Hader after the second dinger.
Something's not right with this team and for the first time in seven years I'm wondering if it has to do with the manager.
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Giving up 6 earned in 18 pitches is impressively bad. One at bat accounted for a third of those, the rest were all 1, 2, or 3 pitch at bats.
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Peddle his ass, aina?
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I don't know what Counsell's deal is this season but he's being incredibly stubborn. Had to go get Hader after the second dinger.
Something's not right with this team and for the first time in seven years I'm wondering if it has to do with the manager.
Which is weird because he was on the leading edge of bullpen management early on. Maybe guys really like the defined roles and he’s changed to that the last few years.
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Peddle his ass, aina?
He's only signed through this year and Boxberger could probably take over... but what do you expect to get for a closer that is having problems and a half of a year left on his contract?
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To be honest Hader seems not himself since the baby was born. Wonder if that’s just a coincidence or there are some issues there.
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To be honest Hader seems not himself since the baby was born. Wonder if that’s just a coincidence or there are some issues there.
Being a new parent can be distracting enough, but you add the fairly serious complications his wife had towards the end of pregnancy and I can see him not totally being all there mentally. Which is totally understandable, especially for something like a closer which is high stress and very mental.
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With these guys, they only have to be off by a millimeter. It could be as basic as changed sleep patterns at home putting him off by .01%. Or his release point being off by a whisker because he whacked his toe in the middle of the night.
Other than Rivera, relievers go through bad streaks. And generally do not have a long life span as a closer.
For the Brewer's sake, I hope he works through it.
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OK, Juan Soto just turned down a $440 million 15 year contract. That is $29 million a year for 15 years and he is 23 years old.
This is third offer Nats have made in last month or so because the Lerner family is going to sell the team and wanted potential buyers to have Soto as face of the franchise for years to come.
Now the Nats have come out and said Soto is here for the taking. Oh my..... He is free agent after next season.
Nats are a sinking ship and the hole is getting bigger. They won the World Series a few years ago, but did not sign or traded all the stars.
Harper - did not get him signed as free agent, but won WS without him
Rendon - did not get to sign as free agent
Scherzer - did not get to sign as free agent
Trea Turner - traded
Schwarber - one year star, traded.
Strasburg - signed a $245 million contract and has pitched like 10 innings in past three years since signing
Michael Taylor - traded
So lets see who has the stock to trade for Soto, could be huge.
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hitting 247 with 19 dings at the halfway mark of season today puts you into uber superstar status?
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hitting 247 with 19 dings at the halfway mark of season today puts you into uber superstar status?
He's top 15 in HRs, leading the MLB in walks by almost 50% more than 2nd place, top 20 in SLG, top 20 in WAR, strikes out half as much as Aaron Judge...all while having an uncharicteristally low average for someone who lead the league in average 2 seasons ago and hits nearly .300 for his career. He finished top 10 in MVP voting the last 3 years, top 5 the last 2.
Imagine thinking pure average through 80 games of a 550+game career, thus far, is the end all be all.
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hitting 247 with 19 dings at the halfway mark of season today puts you into uber superstar status?
Batting average?? 😂
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Nats won their one WS. Now they're starting over from ground zero. Will be interesting to see what it does to attendance and overall interest level. The fan base there strikes me as very fair weather (and I'm not necessarily saying that's wrong).
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Nats won their one WS. Now they're starting over from ground zero. Will be interesting to see what it does to attendance and overall interest level. The fan base there strikes me as very fair weather (and I'm not necessarily saying that's wrong).
Their attendance has always been pretty crappy. I think its a weird fanbase cause its a combo of the transient nature of DC as well as the fact that for people older than 30, they didn't really grow up with the Nats, so they were all Orioles or random team fans. My BIL is a huge Nats fan, but he was 11 when they moved to DC, so he was in the sweet spot of getting into them. His older cousins are in their late 30s and either couldn't care less about baseball (despite being huge Redskins WFT Commanders and Caps fans) or root for someone else.
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Exactly. And I really hate it when they call something a "record" that isn't a record at all.
Being the youngest player with 140 HR, 90 doubles and 35 sacrifice flies isn't a "record," it's a mishmash of stats.
Everything is a “record” and everyone is a GOAT.
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Love it when umps decide the game. Very cool and much better than players deciding the game.
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OK, Juan Soto just turned down a $440 million 15 year contract. That is $29 million a year for 15 years and he is 23 years old.
This is third offer Nats have made in last month or so because the Lerner family is going to sell the team and wanted potential buyers to have Soto as face of the franchise for years to come.
Now the Nats have come out and said Soto is here for the taking. Oh my..... He is free agent after next season.
Nats are a sinking ship and the hole is getting bigger. They won the World Series a few years ago, but did not sign or traded all the stars.
Harper - did not get him signed as free agent, but won WS without him
Rendon - did not get to sign as free agent
Scherzer - did not get to sign as free agent
Trea Turner - traded
Schwarber - one year star, traded.
Strasburg - signed a $245 million contract and has pitched like 10 innings in past three years since signing
Michael Taylor - traded
So lets see who has the stock to trade for Soto, could be huge.
soto, harper, rendon, scherzer, strasburg all scott boras guys
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Love it when umps decide the game. Very cool and much better than players deciding the game.
It was a balk. Too many baseball commentators don’t want umps to actually use the rule book in the late innings, but that was pretty clear.
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soto, harper, rendon, scherzer, strasburg all scott boras guys
Boras got Strasburg and Rendon a combined half a BILLION dollars for a 3 AS appearances in 8.5 injury filled seasons and a single ASG at the age of 30, respectively. He's a wizard. I'm shocked every above average player doesn't hire him.
Harper got a fat deal outside of DC and then won an MVP. Scherzer is still worth every penny.
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Nats won their one WS. Now they're starting over from ground zero. Will be interesting to see what it does to attendance and overall interest level. The fan base there strikes me as very fair weather (and I'm not necessarily saying that's wrong).
Supposedly that Nats are going up for sale. Hence one of the reasons Soto turned down the deal.
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Boras got Strasburg and Rendon a combined half a BILLION dollars for a 3 AS appearances in 8.5 injury filled seasons and a single ASG at the age of 30, respectively. He's a wizard. I'm shocked every above average player doesn't hire him.
Harper got a fat deal outside of DC and then won an MVP. Scherzer is still worth every penny.
boras is a pit bull who many teams hate to negotiate with. me wonders if he's cost some players as well.
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Their attendance has always been pretty crappy. I think its a weird fanbase cause its a combo of the transient nature of DC as well as the fact that for people older than 30, they didn't really grow up with the Nats, so they were all Orioles or random team fans. My BIL is a huge Nats fan, but he was 11 when they moved to DC, so he was in the sweet spot of getting into them. His older cousins are in their late 30s and either couldn't care less about baseball (despite being huge Redskins WFT Commanders and Caps fans) or root for someone else.
Orioles! No way! For any trues DC baseball fan it has always been the Senators.
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Their attendance has always been pretty crappy. I think its a weird fanbase cause its a combo of the transient nature of DC as well as the fact that for people older than 30, they didn't really grow up with the Nats, so they were all Orioles or random team fans. My BIL is a huge Nats fan, but he was 11 when they moved to DC, so he was in the sweet spot of getting into them. His older cousins are in their late 30s and either couldn't care less about baseball (despite being huge Redskins WFT Commanders and Caps fans) or root for someone else.
Quite often winning a championship is a great catalyst to build a fanbase. Those who might not have been thrilled to give the Nats a chance all of a sudden had a star-studded championship team to root for. But then came Covid, and the factors and headwinds you mentioned surely play a role in the less-excited fanbase.
Totally agree with you about Boras. If I were a very good to great ballplayer (or maybe even just a good one), and if getting the best contract possible mattered most to me, he'd absolutely be the agent I'd want.
I agree with Billy about too much GOAT talk -- it's often just silliness, and it's always overdone. But Boras ... he's the GOAT!
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Their attendance has always been pretty crappy. I think its a weird fanbase cause its a combo of the transient nature of DC as well as the fact that for people older than 30, they didn't really grow up with the Nats, so they were all Orioles or random team fans. My BIL is a huge Nats fan, but he was 11 when they moved to DC, so he was in the sweet spot of getting into them. His older cousins are in their late 30s and either couldn't care less about baseball (despite being huge Redskins WFT Commanders and Caps fans) or root for someone else.
So there may be a reason the market lost two franchises in the past?
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Orioles! No way! For any trues DC baseball fan it has always been the Senators.
Nobody under the age of 65 in DC even saw the Senators play, so...
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Seems to me like Dylan Cease should be an all star
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Despite being a pretty decent MLB fan, I confess to never paying much attention to the MLB draft and don't entirely understand portions of it (slotting, $$ allocation, etc), but looking over the results, did find a few things interesting...
Sons of MLB all stars going 1 and 2 (Matt Holliday/Andruw Jones). Also interesting that Druw Jones did all of his formative youth baseball growing in Atlanta compared to guys like Tatis Jr and Vlad Jr who grew up where their dads were from.
Kumar Rocker, for all his trials and tribulations, ends up being drafted higher than last year. Hope he stays healthy cause his stuff is unreal.
Ive seen multiple articles over the years discussing the lack or downward trend in AA (not Latin) representation in the MLB. Given that, interesting to see a pair of young AA HS players taken in the top 10.
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Despite being a pretty decent MLB fan, I confess to never paying much attention to the MLB draft and don't entirely understand portions of it (slotting, $$ allocation, etc), but looking over the results, did find a few things interesting...
Sons of MLB all stars going 1 and 2 (Matt Holliday/Andruw Jones). Also interesting that Druw Jones did all of his formative youth baseball growing in Atlanta compared to guys like Tatis Jr and Vlad Jr who grew up where their dads were from.
Kumar Rocker, for all his trials and tribulations, ends up being drafted higher than last year. Hope he stays healthy cause his stuff is unreal.
Ive seen multiple articles over the years discussing the lack or downward trend in AA (not Latin) representation in the MLB. Given that, interesting to see a pair of young AA HS players taken in the top 10.
Wags,
Look at the Blue Jays roster and I guess sons of retired major leaguers pays-off.
Guerro, Bichette, Biggio, Guriel
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Wags,
Look at the Blue Jays roster and I guess sons of retired major leaguers pays-off.
Guerro, Bichette, Biggio, Guriel
I knew the first 3. Its 75% of their infield, which is amusing. I totally forgot about Gurriel.
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I knew the first 3. Its 75% of their infield, which is amusing. I totally forgot about Gurriel.
Sort of.
Lourdes Gurriel Sr., was a great/famous Cuban Player, but never played in MLB
Lourdes has 2 sons currently in MLB; OF Lourdes Jr with the Jays and older 1B Yuli with the Astros
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Sort of.
Lourdes Gurriel Sr., was a great/famous Cuban Player, but never played in MLB
Lourdes has 2 sons currently in MLB; OF Lourdes Jr with the Jays and older 1B Yuli with the Astros
I knew - but he would have a MLB player if he could have.
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Sons of MLB all stars going 1 and 2 (Matt Holliday/Andruw Jones). Also interesting that Druw Jones did all of his formative youth baseball growing in Atlanta compared to guys like Tatis Jr and Vlad Jr who grew up where their dads were from.
Other picks included:
#17 overall Justin Crawford, son of Carl
#18 overall Cam Collier, son of Lou
#233 overall Mason McGwire, son of Mark
And #3 pick Kumar Rocker is the son of former NFL DT Tracy Rocker and #5 pick Elijah Green is the son of former NFL TE Eric Green.
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MLB got a little aggressive (https://twitter.com/anezbitt/status/1549186164330041344?s=20&t=W6zS61ca-Y1P73JJUqBdXQ) with the pyro (https://twitter.com/sportingnews/status/1549185578046029825?s=20&t=rPxofd-qGEim-4YQO2CzSw) last night. ;D
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If Pujols had beat Soto in that second round, I was convinced it was fixed
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If Pujols had beat Soto in that second round, I was convinced it was fixed
I've read a few accounts from those who think even the first-round Pujols win was fixed, including a writer from The Athletic. I didn't see it, so I have no opinion.
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I've read a few accounts from those who think even the first-round Pujols win was fixed, including a writer from The Athletic. I didn't see it, so I have no opinion.
I could see it. Most of his round I was like "lol this old dude is gassed." And then he put up a pretty pedestrian score. Fast foward to Schwaro, a nuke hitting animal made for a competition like this, and he suddenly was doinking the ball around before finally pushing to MAGICALLY tie Pujols.
At the end of the day, its just a sideshow exhibition event, so who cares. But it was kind of odd
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At the end of the day, its just a sideshow exhibition event, so who cares.
Indeed.
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Guessin'...Astros Win the AL West, again. The As dismantled/dropped back, Rangers got better and Angels...will be the Angels. Seattle will be hard to call...but clearly near the top w/us.
Going into opening days there a just a few Astro story lines;;
Will Justin Verlander return from TJohn surgery to dominance?
Not likely as history shows it takes more time...maybe he does late in the year
Will Lance McCullers return from the gruesome forearm injury suffered in the ALCS?
Well yes but dont rush...All Star time is what we should hope for
Will R SSJeremy Pena coming up maybe a year early perform ok and have Houston thinking it will be survivable to let Correa go for the big bucks/ Twins ?
Maybe...Pena's 2022 spring line is : .389/.421/.778 through 19 plate appearances. He slashed .287/.346/.598 with 10 homers and five steals in just 30 Triple-A games last year. First time through the league will tell a lot.
The rest of last years WSeries team returns...Tucker will be one to watch, as he and Yordan Alvarez are heading into their big$$ contract years
(also Why Correa couldve never gotten $35mil/Year here... we needed it for these two, in the longer run)
Astros continue true to form as we saw it in April (including the Angels being the Angels..the Phillies of the AL)
Verlander came back from Tommy John way better than expected
Jeremy Pena is a solid rookie SS and leaves us with no regret on letting Correa go chase big$
Astros used part of that $ to lock up Yordan Alvarez one whom a team is built around
Need to sign Tucker long term too, with the rest of the leftover Correa $
Bregman struggled but seems to have come around Gurriel may be done
Pitching has been great Deep starting staff and VG Bullpen
The Yankees are the greatest, as they will be quick to tell you, but I am guessing the Astros will take their October ALCS
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Would you trade Yadier Molina for Juan Soto?
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Would you trade Yadier Molina for Juan Soto?
The best player since Babe Ruth who still has a good decade of top tier baseball left for a flash in the pan young player? Nah
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I think Seattle ends up trading for Soto.
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Toronto is currently beating Boston 27-3 in the sixth. They scored 11 runs in the fifth after Boston got the first two outs of the inning.
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I think Seattle ends up trading for Soto.
That would be incredibly interesting. Griffey/Buehner 2.0 with him and Julio Rodriguez, except a way better 2nd option.
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Goldschmidt & Arenado aren’t vax’d, can’t go to Toronto this week.
It’d be really funny if those two games cost the Cardinals a playoff spot.
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Goldschmidt & Arenado aren’t vax’d, can’t go to Toronto this week.
It’d be really funny if those two games cost the Cardinals a playoff spot.
The ban is stupid. Why is MLB allowing the Blue Jays to play against reserves and minor league players? How many games will Toronto win because the other team was short handed? If Canada wants to act like it’s April 2020, fine - but assuming that they give a sh!t about the integrity, MLB should force the Blue Jays to play their home games at venues that don’t discriminate based on vaccination status.
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The ban is stupid. Why is MLB allowing the Blue Jays to play against reserves and minor league players? How many games will Toronto win because the other team was short handed? If Canada wants to act like it’s April 2020, fine - but assuming that they give a sh!t about the integrity, MLB should force the Blue Jays to play their home games at venues that don’t discriminate based on vaccination status.
Or maybe the players should just get vaccinated so their teams aren’t put at a disadvantage.
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Goldschmidt & Arenado aren’t vax’d, can’t go to Toronto this week.
It’d be really funny if those two games cost the Cardinals a playoff spot.
They would have only themselves to blame. (Mikolas had to be talked into doing it too but he did do it.)
Amazing that July 22, 2022, there are still MLB players and org. members not completed vaccinated and boosted. KC just had ten, TEN players unable to play Toronto. You can insert any team here.
And this goes for other players on other teams, as well as in other sports too, Djokovic and the U.S. Open etc…
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I'm gonna just squeeze in a brief comment on the actual baseball season here.
1 weekend into the second half.
I think the AL Central is Sox vs Twins.
Did not realize how soft the Sox schedule is for most of the remainder of the year. They could make up the 4 games fast.
I think Guardians are in big trouble. They really need to play well in their 6 games remaining this week and hope the Twins dont pull a 4-1 vs Brewers and Padres out of their ass.
But even beyond that. Guardians schedule is more comparable to Twins in terms of difficulty. So if anyone makes up ground itll be the Sox who are same distance back but way softer schedule.
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WTF is wrong with you people? Forget to take your no-politics meds?
Cleaned up - but next time I might not be so nice.
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I'm gonna just squeeze in a brief comment on the actual baseball season here.
1 weekend into the second half.
I think the AL Central is Sox vs Twins.
Did not realize how soft the Sox schedule is for most of the remainder of the year. They could make up the 4 games fast.
Your logic sounds good, but the Sox have a losing record against teams with a losing record.
Plus they will be without Robert for a while and Eloy plays about as often as Buxton.
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Your logic sounds good, but the Sox have a losing record against teams with a losing record.
Plus they will be without Robert for a while and Eloy plays about as often as Buxton.
Sox have played really well on the road though. So if they can start winning home games at even a decent rate thatll change a lot.
At this point im convinced the Twins finish 7 to 9 games above .500. We have been .500 team for like 3 months now since the hot streak after the slow start.
So ultimately I'd put the magic number at the division around that. If Sox can get to 10 games above .500 they win the division imo anything else favors Twins.
Buxton actually playing everyday now(aside from the two Tigers games for the injection that he prioritized all star game for) issue is.............its still like 50% DH.
Which causes us to start Kyle Garlick vs a righty today. Me and you are better options at the plate(when a righty starts), in the field and on the bases than Kyle Garlick
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Twins are cooked if they are gonna keep starting Archer and Bundy and using relievers like Cotton.
Just bad baseball players.
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Twins are cooked if they are gonna keep starting Archer and Bundy and using relievers like Cotton.
Just bad baseball players.
I only watched the first inning but I was shocked by how pedestrian Archer’s stuff was. You could see Rowdy’s HR coming.
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I only watched the first inning but I was shocked by how pedestrian Archer’s stuff was. You could see Rowdy’s HR coming.
Its SHOCKING how bad he's been since leaving Tampa. He was a really solid pitching with great stuff at times and he just imploded.
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Its SHOCKING how bad he's been since leaving Tampa. He was a really solid pitching with great stuff at times and he just imploded.
Agreed. I'm normally pessimistic about the Brewers offense on a given day, but after the first two batters of the day I thought to myself "they are going to score a lot of runs today". Sure enough....
Never have been a huge Archer fan and was happy the Brewers didn't get him in 2018, but I'd be lying if I said I saw this coming.
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Agreed. I'm normally pessimistic about the Brewers offense on a given day, but after the first two batters of the day I thought to myself "they are going to score a lot of runs today". Sure enough....
Never have been a huge Archer fan and was happy the Brewers didn't get him in 2018, but I'd be lying if I said I saw this coming.
Probably maximized his potential early in his career. Would be curious if he was better suited to be pitching on a rebuilding team to rebuild stamina and his stuff. This is his first full season since 2018
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Watching the Sox is like watching a sitcom.
I said it earlier. Clueless. Fundamentally, they are less sound than the Packers' Special Teams.
That is ALL on Larussa. Jerry deserves everything he is getting from this team.
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I can’t even count anymore how many times I’ve texted my Sox fan friends and said “this is as bad a loss as any this year”.
Today’s loss was brutal. Garcia picked off third, Graveman walking the bases loaded, this team did everything they could to lose today.
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Do y’all think the Sox players know how bad their manager is?
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Do y’all think the Sox players know how bad their manager is?
Every one of them not named Leury Garcia.
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Sneaky big series out west starts tomorrow with a really struggling Toronto team visiting a surging Seattle Mariners team in a 4 game set. Blue Jays hold last wild card spot, with Seattle 4 back. Mariners this morning we’re +340 to make the playoffs.
Mariners last 20 games of the season:
4 @ Angels
3 @ A’s
3 @ Royals
3 vs Rangers
3 vs A’s
4 vs Tigers
Mariners trade for Luis Castillo.
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Mariners trade for Luis Castillo.
They were already gonna make the playoffs.
This and any other move was to increase the chances of damage.
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You know, if Aaron Judge keeps doing what he’s doing, he has a decent chance to finish a close third behind Ohtani and Trout in the AL MVP race.
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The White Sox haven’t been two games above .500 since April 20th.
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Hader traded to the Padres.
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Not sure about the return but what do I know?
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Twins ended up with Pagan
While Rogers turned into Hader
Obviously more involved in the deals. But still hilarious.
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Not sure about the return but what do I know?
Brewers will receive lefty closer Taylor Rogers, outfielder Esteury Ruiz, right-hander Dinelson Lamet and pitching prospect Robert Gasser.
Good mover now rather than selling him at a huge discount at next year's deadline.
Ruiz should move in at 2B next year.
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Brewers will receive lefty closer Taylor Rogers, outfielder Esteury Ruiz, right-hander Dinelson Lamet and pitching prospect Robert Gasser.
Good mover now rather than selling him at a huge discount at next year's deadline.
Ruiz was a breakout player so far this year
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Sounds like Lamet has a ton of potential, but problems staying healthy. The little bit I’ve read is he has some nasty stuff.
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Two years ago, he was looked at as a potential #2 or #3 starter. If he can get past the injuries, who knows.
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I think the Brewers did fine, they essentially had to trade Hader now, they were never going to go to arb and pay him $15m next year. His value was higher now than it would be in the winter, decent return coming back.
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I think the Brewers did fine, they essentially had to trade Hader now, they were never going to go to arb and pay him $15m next year. His value was higher now than it would be in the winter, decent return coming back.
Totally agree. My heart sunk a bit when I saw the headline, but they did well. Those prospects are legit and close, not wing and a prayer types. And there's a chance Rogers and Lamet can give them more than half of what Hader was giving them after you factor in innings by results. My kingdom for two more ticks on Lamet's fastball, though.
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Yankees get Montas. Cards must be getting desperate.
The answer is right in front of them, though. Convert Yadi to a starter.
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Yankees get Montas. Cards must be getting desperate.
The answer is right in front of them, though. Convert Yadi to a starter.
Nah, he's a closer. Could you imagine how fast Freeman, Judge, or Ohtani would melt facing his immeasurable intimidating factor in a late game, high leverage scenario?
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Let's hope at least 2 of the 3 guys from the Padres come thru big-time (I'm not including Rogers who is a FA this year).
Hader is, after all, the most dominant closer in MLB history.
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I saw that 2 of those guys are now Top Ten, #8 and #9, on the Brewer Prospect list... Pretty good ! ! ! 8-)
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I wonder if Counsell sticks with the designated closer or plays matchups like he used to.
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I wonder if Counsell sticks with the designated closer or plays matchups like he used to.
Devin Williams
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Soto, Padres collision course.
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Soto, Padres collision course.
Obviously wins still need to follow, but Im trying to think of such a transformation in a team, without ownership change, like the Padres. Splashed on Hosmer and Machado, traded for a big money pitcher in Darvish, aggressively went and got Snell, Manea, and Hader. And now seemed primed to grab Soto. The only homegrown big gun is Tatis. All from a team who spent the first 5/6 years under this ownership group being cellar dwellars
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Obviously wins still need to follow, but Im trying to think of such a transformation in a team, without ownership change, like the Padres. Splashed on Hosmer and Machado, traded for a big money pitcher in Darvish, aggressively went and got Snell, Manea, and Hader. And now seemed primed to grab Soto. The only homegrown big gun is Tatis. All from a team who spent the first 5/6 years under this ownership group being cellar dwellars
Soto and Bell are big time moves. Dodgers are still daddy though so Tatis better get back and they better make this work.
Nats got quite the haul with Hassell, Gore, Abrams and Wood all included.
Padres dumping HOsmer was big too though, dude blows.
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Cardinals didn’t want to include both Walker and Carlson in the same trade for Soto. So, they will pivot to pitching.
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Obviously wins still need to follow, but Im trying to think of such a transformation in a team, without ownership change, like the Padres. Splashed on Hosmer and Machado, traded for a big money pitcher in Darvish, aggressively went and got Snell, Manea, and Hader. And now seemed primed to grab Soto. The only homegrown big gun is Tatis. All from a team who spent the first 5/6 years under this ownership group being cellar dwellars
Tatis was only semi-homegrown. Acquired from White Sox when he was 17 or 18.
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Cardinals didn’t want to include both Walker and Carlson in the same trade for Soto. So, they will pivot to pitching.
From the rumors it looks like the ask was Walker, Carlson, and Gorman? I don't know much about Walker, and Gorman might be good though he reminds me of Dan Uggla. I would bet money Carlson will always be a fringy third outfielder type. [edited because i called him a third-and-a-half OFer, and upon further review I think he's just more of a low end starter]
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Obviously wins still need to follow, but Im trying to think of such a transformation in a team, without ownership change, like the Padres. Splashed on Hosmer and Machado, traded for a big money pitcher in Darvish, aggressively went and got Snell, Manea, and Hader. And now seemed primed to grab Soto. The only homegrown big gun is Tatis. All from a team who spent the first 5/6 years under this ownership group being cellar dwellars
Tatis wasn’t homegrown.
Begrudgingly,
Sox Fan Dish
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Tatis wasn’t homegrown.
Begrudgingly,
Sox Fan Dish
Tatis was only semi-homegrown. Acquired from White Sox when he was 17 or 18.
Right, but I gave it to them considering he was traded when he was 17 and had never played a professional game.
It would be like saying Kobe wasn't a homegrown Laker cause the Hornets drafted him.
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From the rumors it looks like the ask was Walker, Carlson, and Gorman? I don't know much about Walker, and Gorman might be good though he reminds me of Dan Uggla. I would bet money Carlson will always be a fringy third outfielder type. [edited because i called him a third-and-a-half OFer, and upon further review I think he's just more of a low end starter]
Carlson is pretty good, former Texas League Player of the year. He is excelling in CF. He also happens to be the only healthy Cards OF. The Nats liked him a lot. Walker is very good, and advanced for his age. Cards have him for 6 years of control. (He’s the player the Cards wanted to keep the most.)
Would have been helpful to have had healthier Bader, O'Neill to add in possible trades. The other name of higher interest to teams is Masyn Winn, a SS.
Now with the Giants possibly being sellers, Cards are targeting Rodon. (possible package with Pederson) as well as Eovaldi in Boston.
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Most fans don’t know this, but the White Sox had verbally agreed to a deal with Juan Soto when he was an international free agent in 2015. The Nationals were scouting Soto, heard about the Sox offer, and offered $100k more, and Soto ended up with Washington.
The other player the Sox signed that same international signing period? Tatis Jr.
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Anyone hear if LaRussa has awakened from his nap in the dugout last night?
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Most fans don’t know this, but the White Sox had verbally agreed to a deal with Juan Soto when he was an international free agent in 2015. The Nationals were scouting Soto, heard about the Sox offer, and offered $100k more, and Soto ended up with Washington.
The other player the Sox signed that same international signing period? Tatis Jr.
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Most fans don’t know this, but the White Sox had verbally agreed to a deal with Juan Soto when he was an international free agent in 2015. The Nationals were scouting Soto, heard about the Sox offer, and offered $100k more, and Soto ended up with Washington.
The other player the Sox signed that same international signing period? Tatis Jr.
We turned Juan Soto and Fernando Tatis Jr. into an over the hill James Shields - Kenny Williams is some magician, a’ina?
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Carlson is pretty good, former Texas League Player of the year. He is excelling in CF. He also happens to be the only healthy Cards OF. The Nats liked him a lot. Walker is very good, and advanced for his age. Cards have him for 6 years of control. (He’s the player the Cards wanted to keep the most.)
Would have been helpful to have had healthier Bader, O'Neill to add in possible trades. The other name of higher interest to teams is Masyn Winn, a SS.
Now with the Giants possibly being sellers, Cards are targeting Rodon. (possible package with Pederson) as well as Eovaldi in Boston.
It’s Montgomery, for Bader.
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https://twitter.com/evr551/status/1554627594598944768?s=21&t=X31GW_kW8aGsfwPXO9Ebfw
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https://twitter.com/Brewers/status/1554909358949031942
RHP Dinelson Lamet and C Pedro Severino designated for assignment.
RHP Peter Strzelecki optioned to Triple-A Nashville.
https://twitter.com/Brewers/status/1554909154489368577?cxt=HHwWgoC8tejokpQrAAAA
RHP Freddy Peralta reinstated from the 60-day injured list.
RHP Matt Bush added to the active roster.
INF Keston Hiura recalled from Triple-A Nashville.
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https://twitter.com/Brewers/status/1554909358949031942
https://twitter.com/Brewers/status/1554909154489368577?cxt=HHwWgoC8tejokpQrAAAA
The replies freaking out about the Lamet DFA are hilarious. The guy has given up 16 hits and 13 earned in 12 IP so far this year. Might as well freak out about Trevor Rosenthal not being on the active roster.
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The replies freaking out about the Lamet DFA are hilarious. The guy has given up 16 hits and 13 earned in 12 IP so far this year. Might as well freak out about Trevor Rosenthal not being on the active roster.
Brewers fans embarrass me almost as much as Packers fans
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Devin Williams
Good start.
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Good start.
I’ve bet on the brewers twice this year. Once was when Hader lost his 40 game scoreless streak. The second was live tonight after they went down 5-4. If there are any relievers you want me to jinx, just shoot me a message.
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JBJ cut by the Red Sox today so that trade was a W for the crew.
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Not a great couple days for the revamped bullpen.
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Brewers were walking a fine line already. Now that the pen is in disarray, it's wide open for the Cards. They don't have the hitting to overcome a now non-dominant bullpen. There will be no wild card either.
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I am not saying this is the right way to look at it, but unless someone goes on a run, there are seven teams chasing six spots. I think their entire organizational goal is to get into the playoffs and hope to get hot there. I think they thought this was a good risk to take - I am not sure it was but time will tell.
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I am not saying this is the right way to look at it, but unless someone goes on a run, there are seven teams chasing six spots. I think their entire organizational goal is to get into the playoffs and hope to get hot there. I think they thought this was a good risk to take - I am not sure it was but time will tell.
I understand the move. I actually agree with it. But they clearly underestimated the impact it would have on the clubhouse.
They'll figure it out.
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Are the Brewers the Dodgers, Giants, Mets or Yankees? They're not, so getting value from a guy that was going to be too expensive at the end of this year is a great move.
Does it hurt now? Sure, but there are five games of numbers to work with. Let's let the dust settle before the season is considered a failure.
And even if they make the playoffs... They don't have the team to advance.
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I am not saying this is the right way to look at it, but unless someone goes on a run, there are seven teams chasing six spots. I think their entire organizational goal is to get into the playoffs and hope to get hot there. I think they thought this was a good risk to take - I am not sure it was but time will tell.
I totally understand why they made the move. Small market teams HAVE to do this sort of thing. It will probably be benefit down the road as they only would have had him for 1 more year anyway, but they are a much weaker team than they were on Sunday.
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A T206 Honus Wagner card just sold for 7.25 mill. Congrats to Scooper that snagged it.
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I totally understand why they made the move. Small market teams HAVE to do this sort of thing. It will probably be benefit down the road as they only would have had him for 1 more year anyway, but they are a much weaker team than they were on Sunday.
SmAlL mArKeT!!
God, does anyone ever stop with this argument
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The AL Central is a complete joke. Unbelievable.
Baldelli just going to continue putting Pagan out there in games that are close or tied.
YOU CAN STILL BLOW GAMES IN THE 6th YOU IDIOT. Doesnt matter if hes not the closer any more. Stop pitching him with a 1 run lead, its that simple.
Twins went 23-8 for a month stretch in April to late May.
They are 32-42 otherwise. Can Baldelli, DFA Pagan.
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SmAlL mArKeT!!
God, does anyone ever stop with this argument
I mean despite recent success, they are still considered one of the least valuable franchises in baseball with one of the lowest local revenue deals. Could they afford more? No doubt. But they don’t want rebuilds.
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I mean despite recent success, they are still considered one of the least valuable franchises in baseball with one of the lowest local revenue deals. Could they afford more? No doubt. But they don’t want rebuilds.
Brewers whiny portion of the fanbase has become insufferable and embarrassing. Before the ASB, they were already predicting doom and gloom and calling for the team to sell, especially Hader. I hope they completely collapse and they decide to start from scratch like the Pirates. Sell Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta the whole kitchen sink and run a triple-A team out there and scatter in some vets like Ben Gamel. A good chunk of this fanbase deserves that.
I though a lot of Marquette fans were only happy when they were mad. Brewers fans are lapping them. Must be a Milwaukee adjacent thing
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Brewers whiny portion of the fanbase has become insufferable and embarrassing. Before the ASB, they were already predicting doom and gloom and calling for the team to sell, especially Hader. I hope they completely collapse and they decide to start from scratch like the Pirates. Sell Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta the whole kitchen sink and run a triple-A team out there and scatter in some vets like Ben Gamel. A good chunk of this fanbase deserves that.
I though a lot of Marquette fans were only happy when they were mad. Brewers fans are lapping them. Must be a Milwaukee adjacent thing
Yep. Last year they won 95 games, had the second seed in the NL, and lost to a hot Braves team that went on to win the World Series. I understand the playoffs have expanded, but they have made them just as much in the last four years as the rest of the franchise's seasons combined. And have lost to the eventual WS champion in the last three years.
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Yep. Last year they won 95 games, had the second seed in the NL, and lost to a hot Braves team that went on to win the World Series. I understand the playoffs have expanded, but they have made them just as much in the last four years as the rest of the franchise's seasons combined. And have lost to the eventual WS champion in the last three years.
The incessant whining about the owner is something. Bring back the Selig family to run things.
Analytic run front offices aren’t swayed by public opinion very often.
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The incessant whining about the owner is something. Bring back the Selig family to run things.
Analytic run front offices aren’t swayed by public opinion very often.
Or a single series against the Pirates. I still think the Brewers have a great shot at the division and am not going to write off the new arms for a bad outing or two to start.
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SmAlL mArKeT!!
God, does anyone ever stop with this argument
No because it doesn't stop being relevant? Its not an argument, its an explanation. Yes they could spend more and I suspect they will, but the margin for error in a small market is razor thin. The Yelich contract vs performance cuts that margin to next to zero.
The incessant whining about the owner is something. Bring back the Selig family to run things.
This. Attanasio has demonstrated a willingness to operate in the red so long as the front office picks their spots. Keeping the status quo in 2022 wouldn't have been smart spot picking.
IMO, the real death knell for Hader's future in MKE was that he doesn't want to pitch more than one inning. If he was still willing to go two innings every third outing like 2019 and 2020, you can squint hard enough to think about starting next season with him on the payroll. His utility in that role is even greater under the new extra inning roles. But once he started expressing that he didn't want to do that anymore, a Brewers team paying Christian Yelich $26M just can't pay Hader $14M.
FWIW, I know arb raises will eat into payroll next year, but I think the Burnes-Woody-Peralta Brewers still have one or two big splashes in them. Between Hader (not counting Roger's replacement '22 salary), Wong, McCutcheon, and Narvaez, $33M comes off the books next year - and those four players have a combined 2022 WAR of 3.4 so far. Average free agent cost for 1 WAR is $5.5M, so if the front office deploys that money well, the next couple years still look bright.
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Went to Globe Life last night for Sox/Rangers. Fantastic ballpark, tv doesn’t do it justice for how nice it is. Texas Live complex outside the ballpark is awesome, very well done.
Earlier this summer went to Great American Ballpark, and was extremely impressed.
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No because it doesn't stop being relevant? Its not an argument, its an explanation. Yes they could spend more and I suspect they will, but the margin for error in a small market is razor thin. The Yelich contract vs performance cuts that margin to next to zero.
This. Attanasio has demonstrated a willingness to operate in the red so long as the front office picks their spots. Keeping the status quo in 2022 wouldn't have been smart spot picking.
IMO, the real death knell for Hader's future in MKE was that he doesn't want to pitch more than one inning. If he was still willing to go two innings every third outing like 2019 and 2020, you can squint hard enough to think about starting next season with him on the payroll. His utility in that role is even greater under the new extra inning roles. But once he started expressing that he didn't want to do that anymore, a Brewers team paying Christian Yelich $26M just can't pay Hader $14M.
FWIW, I know arb raises will eat into payroll next year, but I think the Burnes-Woody-Peralta Brewers still have one or two big splashes in them. Between Hader (not counting Roger's replacement '22 salary), Wong, McCutcheon, and Narvaez, $33M comes off the books next year - and those four players have a combined 2022 WAR of 3.4 so far. Average free agent cost for 1 WAR is $5.5M, so if the front office deploys that money well, the next couple years still look bright.
Hader forced their hands when he decided he was an one-inning pitcher. Oddly, I believe it was in arbitration where he decided he was better served pitching one inning. My memory could be fuzzy on that but I think that was let of the reasoning. I don’t begrudge him in that regard.
I’m team tear it down and let the fanbase reap what they sow
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Hader forced their hands when he decided he was an one-inning pitcher. Oddly, I believe it was in arbitration where he decided he was better served pitching one inning. My memory could be fuzzy on that but I think that was let of the reasoning. I don’t begrudge him in that regard.
I’m team tear it down and let the fanbase reap what they sow
I’m not sure it was explicitly that, but I think that’s the thought behind it. I think it was told to the press that they can use him in more games and he likes the routine of knowing when he’s going to pitch.
I agree, he’s far less valuable just as a guy that will pitch for 3 outs when the Brewers are up 1-3 runs. That’s why I’m hoping Counsell goes back to the way he managed the bullpen earlier in his career.
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I’m not sure it was explicitly that, but I think that’s the thought behind it. I think it was told to the press that they can use him in more games and he likes the routine of knowing when he’s going to pitch.
I agree, he’s far less valuable just as a guy that will pitch for 3 outs when the Brewers are up 1-3 runs. That’s why I’m hoping Counsell goes back to the way he managed the bullpen earlier in his career.
Managing the bullpen from the couch has been an incredibly lucrative pastime for beer companies
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I understand the move. I actually agree with it. But they clearly underestimated the impact it would have on the clubhouse.
If the return was much better than what they could get after the season (barring Hader going full Turnbow) I'd be fine with the move. I don't think it was, and the clubhouse impact makes it a negative at this point.
Last year they won 95 games, had the second seed in the NL, and lost to a hot Braves team that went on to win the World Series. I understand the playoffs have expanded, but they have made them just as much in the last four years as the rest of the franchise's seasons combined. And have lost to the eventual WS champion in the last three years.
While true, I think a lot of us are frustrated with the fact that they really didn't address what has bitten them in the playoffs. And it wasn't the pitching. Realistically, there's a year, maybe two left in this window with Burnes and Woodruff. If there's a time to go for it, it's now. Instead we hear Mark in spring training say they really stretched for 35 year old, .7 WAR Andrew McCutchen.
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Went to Globe Life last night for Sox/Rangers. Fantastic ballpark, tv doesn’t do it justice for how nice it is. Texas Live complex outside the ballpark is awesome, very well done.
Earlier this summer went to Great American Ballpark, and was extremely impressed.
I agree with all your favorable impressions of Globe Life.
Actually, except for the lack of a roof and the oppressive mid summer heat in DFW, I also enjoyed the Ballpark in Arlington..
However, ....
Globe Life is my no 1 current pet peeve for TV watching. ON TV... As you look in from pitcher to home plate (main camera) the background, first few rows behind the plate are bar tables and fans catered with food, booze and socializing. Maybe 1 in 4 is actually watching the game. Very weird to watch the game and have this table bar plaza party in the same tv frame
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Brewers bullpen = complete weeklong meltdown against 2 of the worst teams in baseball.
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Hitters suck major ass too. They are done. Wouldn't shock me if they finished below .500. Attanasio succeeded in giving away their All-Star closer for essentially zero and broke the spirit of his team. Might as well peddle the rest of their asses, hey?
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Hitters suck major ass too. They are done. Wouldn't shock me if they finished below .500. Attanasio succeeded in giving away their All-Star closer for essentially zero and breaker the spirit of his team. Might as well peddle the rest of their asses, hey?
5 hits at home against the reds pitching...ouch! that musta been a real treat to watch on a sunday afternoon
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5 hits at home against the reds pitching...ouch! that musta been a real treat to watch on a sunday afternoon
You know as little about baseball as you do about politics. Ashcraft, Sanmartin, and Diaz are all very nice rookies.
The Reds just tore down the team and will probably lose 100 games, but they have a few spots of talent.
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Hard for me to blame the bullpen for this loss. The ball that went over Renfroe's head should have been caught. The runs the Reds scored in the 10th were due to a fielding error on a weakly hit ground back. Hitting into the DP with zero outs in the ninth was completely deflating.
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You know as little about baseball as you do about politics. Ashcraft, Sanmartin, and Diaz are all very nice rookies.
The Reds just tore down the team and will probably lose 100 games, but they have a few spots of talent.
the mutation azzhat just can't help himself once again...i don't see the correlation between this and politics, but nice try. the brewers still only had 5 hits against the reds pitching, right azzhat? i don't really care how nice their rookies are...
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The MLB season now comes with an asterisk after the complete hose job done to the Twins today
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the mutation azzhat just can't help himself once again...i don't see the correlation between this and politics, but nice try. the brewers still only had 5 hits against the reds pitching, right azzhat? i don't really care how nice their rookies are...
Always such a class act.
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So much for the Padres putting fear into the Dodgers.
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Always such a class act.
Well you did poke the bear by bringing his political beliefs into it.
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What's wrong with calling mutaman an azzhat? He's proven that over many, many years.
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What's wrong with calling mutaman an azzhat? He's proven that over many, many years.
What does it mean? I'm not familiar with the language of "Cracker".
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What's wrong with calling mutaman an azzhat? He's proven that over many, many years.
Lol nice
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White Sox already problematic season with more bad news - Tim Anderson out 4-6 weeks (so virtually the season) with a torn ligament in his hand/thumb..
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Chris Sale misses the first three months with an injury (and a non related second injury that delayed his return), pitches 5.2 innings, gets hits with a comebacker and breaks his pinky, has an outside chance of returning this season, then breaks his wrist riding his bike. I think the Red Sox should wrap him in bubble wrap until Spring Training
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Chris Sale misses the first three months with an injury (and a non related second injury that delayed his return), pitches 5.2 innings, gets hits with a comebacker and breaks his pinky, has an outside chance of returning this season, then breaks his wrist riding his bike. I think the Red Sox should wrap him in bubble wrap until Spring Training
Peddle his azz
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That is how he got hurt.
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Smoking hot Cardinals!
With Yadi back and pitching reinforcements, things are really looking up. This team is doing the little things well!
Watching the little Cubbie Bear prepare for hibernation.
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White Sox already problematic season with more bad news - Tim Anderson out 4-6 weeks (so virtually the season) with a torn ligament in his hand/thumb..
12-23 in first game of series this season. That’s both bad, random, and crazy.
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What the Baltimore Orioles are doing is beyond comprehension. They are 22-8 in their last 30 games, in that division too. Really unbelievable stuff.
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Smoking hot Cardinals!
With Yadi back and pitching reinforcements, things are really looking up. This team is doing the little things well!
Watching the little Cubbie Bear prepare for hibernation.
Oof
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What the Baltimore Orioles are doing is beyond comprehension. They are 22-8 in their last 30 games, in that division too. Really unbelievable stuff.
Its INSANE. 8 of their last 9. 24-8 since July 1. All with a meh roster. Mullins is a potential star but he's having a mediocre year. Rutschman is not quite there yet. Hell, they traded their All Star representative. Its crazy. Fully expect them to finish the sweep of the Jays tonight.
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Avila out in Detroit. I am sure they will start hitting now.
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Bases loaded, 2 outs, 1-run game … Ump in LLWS just called the batter out on a pitch at least half a foot outside.
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Avila out in Detroit. I am sure they will start hitting now.
They really need Tork to pan out at the highest level.
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Brewers are 13-4 against the AL East (yet to face NY) and Minnesota. 47-46 against everyone else.
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Yankees are 13-19 in their last 32 games and 22-25 in their last 47. Started out 49-16 in their first 65 games; now at 71-41, they have to finish 29-21 to get to 100 wins.
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Fernando Tatis Jr. suspended 80 games for PEDs.
Wowza
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Daniel Norris is the 15th starting pitcher for Detroit this season. Combined with a .228 team batting average....
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Fernando Tatis Jr. suspended 80 games for PEDs.
Wowza
Blames it on a drug he took for ringworm. LOL
If AJ Preller sounds this pissed in his publicity release imagine how angry he is behind closed doors.
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I’d be so pissed if I was a Padres fan. They now won’t have Tatis for one of their three playoff runs while Soto is there. The postgame player comments from other Padres are telling, they’re all pissed too.
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Blames it on a drug he took for ringworm. LOL
If AJ Preller sounds this pissed in his publicity release imagine how angry he is behind closed doors.
So interestingly, not only is Clostebol is very commonly used for ringworm, its only an effective anabolic steroid if its injected intravenously. So I wonder if there is a way to easily check/verify his usage if it was indeed a medication in pill form. Not that it would revoke the suspension.
Regardless, feels a lot like the Dee Gordon suspension for the same substance. Someone getting popped for using something when coming back from injury to expedite/aid the process, as opposed to getting Bonds jacked to rip bombs, given that its a relatively weak steroid.
And on the bright side for the Padres, at least it happened during his cheapest salary year!
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Note to the Brewers.
Albert Pujols can still punish mistakes. Especially against lefties.
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Note to the Brewers.
Albert Pujols can still punish mistakes. Especially against lefties.
Anabolic steroids are a wild thing.
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Note to the Brewers.
Albert Pujols can still punish mistakes. Especially against lefties.
.958 OPS vs lefties this year.
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.958 OPS vs lefties this year.
Well, he’s a roid head
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Well, he’s a roid head
https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1558925624240050176?s=21&t=XLrJ3qy-YNPTiCxznCibgQ
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https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1558925624240050176?s=21&t=XLrJ3qy-YNPTiCxznCibgQ
That’s what roiders do. Cardinals have a rich history of cheating back to the days of Stan Musial
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That’s what roiders do. Cardinals have a rich history of cheating back to the days of Stan Musial
It’s just a baseball game. You’ll be okay.
Good of you to mention Stan Musial. Pujols needs 8 total bases to pass Stan Musial for 2nd all time in MLB. With his 10th home run today, Pujols moves into a 3rd place tie with Stan Musial for most MLB seasons with double digit home runs. (21)
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Anabolic steroids are an amazing thing.
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It’s just a baseball game. You’ll be okay.
Good of you to mention Stan Musial. Pujols needs 8 total bases to pass Stan Musial for 2nd all time in MLB. With his 10th home run today, Pujols moves into a 3rd place tie with Stan Musial for most MLB seasons with double digit home runs. (21)
Two of the games greatest cheaters joined at the hip, part of a franchise with a history of cheating
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Two of the games greatest cheaters joined at the hip, part of a franchise with a history of cheating
C’mon. Half of us Scoopers could go yard against Rogers.
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Whether youre assuming roids or not.
Pretty wild the corpse of Pujols is out homering both JD and Bogaerts in Boston.
More a reflection on those two especially Martinez whose been pretty damn bad for months now.
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Blames it on a drug he took for ringworm. LOL
Should have just downed a Bud a day.
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Whether youre assuming roids or not.
Pretty wild the corpse of Pujols is out homering both JD and Bogaerts in Boston.
More a reflection on those two especially Martinez whose been pretty damn bad for months now.
Stan Musial invented cheating in baseball, Pujols perfected it
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Stan Musial invented cheating in baseball, Pujols perfected it
OK, Unk, I'll bite ... how did Stan Musial cheat?
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OK, Unk, I'll bite ... how did Stan Musial cheat?
He was the first roider and also padded his stats while the rest of the country was fighting WWII
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He was the first roider and also padded his stats while the rest of the country was fighting WWII
So he was basically a fascist too.
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So he was basically a fascist too.
Many people wondered if Stan the Usual Musial was
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He was the first roider and also padded his stats while the rest of the country was fighting WWII
Stan Musial missed the 1945 season while serving in the Navy.
….If you are going to do the bit….
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Stan Musial missed the 1945 season while serving in the Navy.
….If you are going to do the bit….
Yeah, playing baseball in Hawaii must have been grueling for him in 1945. The scars The Usual had after his service must have been daunting
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He was the first roider and also padded his stats while the rest of the country was fighting WWII
Which 'roids did he ingest or inject?
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Which 'roids did he ingest or inject?
All of them
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This is great fun.
Stan Musial never struck out 50 times in a season.
Keep it going.
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This is great fun.
Stan Musial never struck out 50 times in a season.
Keep it going.
Stan Musial invented the fist bump
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Stan Musial invented the fist bump
He also invented hot dogging around the bases after a HR
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Perfect.
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Stan Musial had 1815 hits at home. He had 1815 hits on the road.
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If he was so good, how come 6.8% of HoF voters didn't think he deserved enshrinement?
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If he was so good, how come 6.8% of HoF voters didn't think he deserved enshrinement?
5% didn't vote for Babe Ruth.
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If he was so good, how come 6.8% of HoF voters didn't think he deserved enshrinement?
6.8% of pretty much ANY group are morons.
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I generally enjoy Rico's schtick. This seems like a huge reach.
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6.8% of pretty much ANY group are morons.
Who's in the 6.8% here? <runs away quickly>
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Ive actually heard that Musial's Navy service was a smokescreen. He was so obstinate and aggressive in his campaigning to replace hot dogs with crap St Louis style pizza, as the standard ballpark fare, across the country that Kenesaw Mountain Landis banished him. Some say its what drove him to have his fatal heart attack in the fall of '44. Happy Chandler, ever the politician, reinstated him after a season to curry favor early in his tenure. He too lacked a refined palate being from Kentucky, hence why he overlooked such atrocities
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Ive actually heard that Musial's Navy service was a smokescreen. He was so obstinate and aggressive in his campaigning to replace hot dogs with crap St Louis style pizza, as the standard ballpark fare, across the country that Kenesaw Mountain Landis banished him. Some say its what drove him to have his fatal heart attack in the fall of '44. Happy Chandler, ever the politician, reinstated him after a season to curry favor early in his tenure. He too lacked a refined palate being from Kentucky, hence why he overlooked such atrocities
The Usual was a known commie sympathizer
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He also skin-dived in the bathtub, hey?
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He drank Bud to cure his ringworm.
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Dodgers are going to put this brewers season on ice.
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The Al Central is gonna come down to the wire, its simply destined to.
Guardians with a 2 out 6 run rally after a dropped third strike.
The real question is will one of these teams accidentally get a WC spot
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Trout due back Friday to resume his MVP push.
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Hope not, but I do fear I lit some money on fire last month with my 88.5 U wager.
Feeling better about this wager now that it is late August.
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Guardians with a 2 out 6 run rally after a dropped third strike.
They deserved that after the three-run rally Detroit had on Tuesday night following an unlucky bounce and overturned play at the plate.
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They deserved that after the three-run rally Detroit had on Tuesday night following an unlucky bounce and overturned play at the plate.
They dont deserve nothing. Its Detroit. They played awful. Had 9 full innings of ABs to make up for it.
The only home plate hose job was when the game was literally taken from the Twins vs Toronto
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.958 OPS vs lefties this year.
1.000 OPS vs lefties.
(He also has the most 1.000 OPS seasons overall among actibe players with 8. Next closest is 3.)
With Home Run 690, Pujols becomes the 4th player to hit 16 Grand Slams.
And he does so on battery start 320 for Adam Wainwright, and Yadier Molina, who are 4 away from 1st on the all time list. Adam is in line for win 193 of his career.
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1.000 OPS vs lefties.
(He also has the most 1.000 OPS seasons overall among actibe players with 8. Next closest is 3.)
With Home Run 690, Pujols becomes the 4th player to hit 16 Grand Slams.
And he does so on battery start 320 for Adam Wainwright, and Yadier Molina, who are 4 away from 2nd on the all time list. Adam is in line for win 193 of his career.
Almost 10,000 people there to see it
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He says hes done.
But man, Pujols might wanna come back and mash lefties 1 more year and get 700.
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He says hes done.
But man, Pujols might wanna come back and mash lefties 1 more year and get 700.
It’s possible the steroids have done so much damage, that at this point, why not go all in?
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Almost 10,000 people there to see it
Almost forgot:
https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1560345562070732800?s=21&t=89ojRwhKvSMeGjZNduFP_w
Oh and here are attendance figures annually since 2000. (DeWitt’s DeWallet has relied heavily on these numbers):
https://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance
Enjoy.
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He says hes done.
But man, Pujols might wanna come back and mash lefties 1 more year and get 700.
Not gonna happen. Pujols and Molina are done after this season. Wainwright, unless something changes, will be back next year.
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Painful reminder that Bernie is, in fact, a trained professional.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/dodgers-reporter-breaks-arm-fractures-ribs-during-disastrous-ride-on-brewers-home-run-slide/ar-AA10O6nB (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/dodgers-reporter-breaks-arm-fractures-ribs-during-disastrous-ride-on-brewers-home-run-slide/ar-AA10O6nB)
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Almost forgot:
https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1560345562070732800?s=21&t=89ojRwhKvSMeGjZNduFP_w
Oh and here are attendance figures annually since 2000. (DeWitt’s DeWallet has relied heavily on these numbers):
https://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance
Enjoy.
Yeah, the place is packed today
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Yeah, the place is packed today
https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1560384615742787584?s=21&t=lPKkOl5W_sqgldu0oKp8Eg
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https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1560384615742787584?s=21&t=lPKkOl5W_sqgldu0oKp8Eg
Pretty distasteful appropriation
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Pretty distasteful appropriation
Some would it’s distasteful being a Cubs fan from Milwaukee.
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Some would it’s distasteful being a Cubs fan from Milwaukee.
Awfully provincial of you
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Awfully provincial of you
I’m certainly in the right place for that, hence why I said it.
https://twitter.com/cardinalsgifs/status/1548385955622490114?s=21&t=lPKkOl5W_sqgldu0oKp8Eg
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https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1560384615742787584?s=21&t=lPKkOl5W_sqgldu0oKp8Eg
Roid Rager and Captain Roids
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https://twitter.com/bestfansstlouis/status/1560471148122488833?s=21&t=lMs_ASvT3b1EQyA6iR6tQQ
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Another 1-2 count intentional walk by TLR.
With 2 outs too.
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The Yankees are 3-13 in their last 16, 12-24 their last 36.
They have been shutout in 5 of their last 10. Scored 19 total runs their last 10 games.
Toronto is +2000 to win the AL East. After this weekend series against the Yankees, Toronto’s next 12 games: Boston, LAA, Cubs, Pirates.
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Another 1-2 count intentional walk by TLR.
With 2 outs too.
Did it “work” this time?
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The Yankees are 3-13 in their last 16, 12-24 their last 36.
They have been shutout in 5 of their last 10. Scored 19 total runs their last 10 games.
Toronto is +2000 to win the AL East. After this weekend series against the Yankees, Toronto’s next 12 games: Boston, LAA, Cubs, Pirates.
Yanks have an 8 game lead and 4 home games against the Twins still
Please send your money my way if you feel like donating.
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Yanks have an 8 game lead and 4 home games against the Twins still
Please send your money my way if you feel like donating.
After today’s win, Toronto is now 6 back in the loss column. Odds have dropped to +1000 on Toronto.
Yankees next three games, they’ll face Manoah/Scherzer/deGrom. They’ve now scored 21 total runs in their last 11 games.
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Yelich sucks
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Seasons over for the brewers. Few division leaders are sellers at the deadline.
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Yeah, I think the trade with SD was a concession for this season.
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Norwich wins again. Attanasio is on fire
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AP......... 1.197 OPS vs lefties.
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Steroids are awesome. Need Yeli and Hiura to find Braun’s dealer’s number again. Seems like Pujols might be monopolizing the supply.
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Steroids are awesome. Need Yeli and Hiura to find Braun’s dealer’s number again. Seems like Pujols might be monopolizing the supply.
https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1561165330306588672?s=21&t=H1_38D9ZsAFgTVwSwhXQlw
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https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1561165330306588672?s=21&t=H1_38D9ZsAFgTVwSwhXQlw
He stays on his current cycle and he’ll get to 700 this year.
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Seasons over for the brewers. Few division leaders are sellers at the deadline.
FWIW they've won the trade so far. I guess Hader could still come on strong or be good next year, but he was never going to be a Brewer in 2023.
Its hard to see a path to upgrading that roster at the deadline that would have had enough statistical impact to realistically improve their chances. The Brewers are the essence of a three true outcomes team. A hilarious stat - the Brewers are T-6 in baseball in only three offensive categories: HRs, Walks, and most strikeouts. They're all-in on streakiness and hoping to get hot at the right time. Nothing they could have done at the deadline could have balanced that offense out in any meaningful way.
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He stays on his current cycle and he’ll get to 700 this year.
It's mostly about helping their club win some games. Six ninety whatever vs seven hundred whatever doesn't matter much. Aything else individually is just cake icing.
He did get to 711 regular season and post season combined, home runs so far, which puts him 4th all time in that. He'll mostly play vs lefties.
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Had good seats today. Pics were fun to take. Can’t believe a cellphone could capture this clear of a 95mph fastball.
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The great St. Louis leader, Yadi Molina, chooses to watch basketball over playing for his Cardinals during the heat of a pennant race.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben-frederickson/benfred-molinas-basketball-pivot-latest-twist-in-cardinals-catchers-strange-final-season/article_321570df-e96a-5125-b0fd-a06750cf0411.html
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The great St. Louis leader, Yadi Molina, chooses to watch basketball over playing for his Cardinals during the heat of a pennant race.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben-frederickson/benfred-molinas-basketball-pivot-latest-twist-in-cardinals-catchers-strange-final-season/article_321570df-e96a-5125-b0fd-a06750cf0411.html
Sad!
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Sad!
He was trained by the legendary Tony LaRussa. TLR taught him to fall asleep in the dugout when he needed a break from the game - Yadi just took it a step further.
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TLR taught him to fall asleep in the dugout when he needed a break from the game
Or the car when he needs a break from driving.
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Congratulations to Vaqueros de Bayamón for winning the Baloncesto Superior Nacional for the 2nd time in 3 years under the ownership of Yadier Molina. Great accomplishment.
And congratulations to soon to be Major League Baseball Hall of Famer, Yadier Molina, for passing St. Louisan Yogi Berri on the all time catcher’s hit list this past week.
https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1560837039490154496?s=21&t=2jPakE01stz7ja8imHKYrA
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Congratulations to Vaqueros de Bayamón for winning the Baloncesto Superior Nacional for the 2nd time in 3 years under the ownership of Yadier Molina. Great accomplishment.
And congratulations to soon to be Major League Baseball Hall of Famer, Yadier Molina, for passing St. Louisan Yogi Berri on the all time catcher’s hit list this past week.
https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1560837039490154496?s=21&t=2jPakE01stz7ja8imHKYrA
He’s also a 1st ballot basketball HoF’er now.
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Congratulations to Vaqueros de Bayamón for winning the Baloncesto Superior Nacional for the 2nd time in 3 years under the ownership of Yadier Molina. Great accomplishment.
And congratulations to soon to be Major League Baseball Hall of Famer, Yadier Molina, for passing St. Louisan Yogi Berri on the all time catcher’s hit list this past week.
https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1560837039490154496?s=21&t=2jPakE01stz7ja8imHKYrA
I hope you aren't pretending that Yadi is even in the same universe as Yogi.
Yogi has an OPS over 100 pts. higher than Yadi.
Yougi had an OPS+ of 125. Yadi is 96 (below average MLB hitter).
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I hope you aren't pretending that Yadi is even in the same universe as Yogi.
Yogi has an OPS over 100 pts. higher than Yadi.
Yougi had an OPS+ of 125. Yadi is 96 (below average MLB hitter).
Yadi #22 on the all-time list between Kendall and Porter. Not even the best ever Cardinal or Rican catcher.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_C.shtml
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I hope you aren't pretending that Yadi is even in the same universe as Yogi.
Yogi has an OPS over 100 pts. higher than Yadi.
Yougi had an OPS+ of 125. Yadi is 96 (below average MLB hitter).
Yadi spends most of his energy cheating and instigating fights with umpires and the opposition. Only nerds worry about production
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Yadi spends most of his energy cheating and instigating fights with umpires and the opposition. Only nerds worry about production
That’s all about his responsibility to police the Unwritten Rules. The game would be in shambles if he didn’t do that.
We’d have guys disrespecting the game by watching home runs like below.
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/23925e51015f66329dfe3abb7315710c9886b093/c=0-0-1421-1894/local/-/media/2017/10/17/USATODAY/USATODAY/636438390502827539-SW17-GOAT-LIDGE-21-9212305.JPG?width=300&height=400&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
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Congratulations to Vaqueros de Bayamón for winning the Baloncesto Superior Nacional for the 2nd time in 3 years under the ownership of Yadier Molina. Great accomplishment.
And congratulations to soon to be Major League Baseball Hall of Famer, Yadier Molina, for passing St. Louisan Yogi Berri on the all time catcher’s hit list this past week.
https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1560837039490154496?s=21&t=2jPakE01stz7ja8imHKYrA
Congratulations to Yadi for quitting on his ballclub in the final weeks of a pennant race!
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That’s all about his responsibility to police the Unwritten Rules. The game would be in shambles if he didn’t do that.
We’d have guys disrespecting the game by watching home runs like below.
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/23925e51015f66329dfe3abb7315710c9886b093/c=0-0-1421-1894/local/-/media/2017/10/17/USATODAY/USATODAY/636438390502827539-SW17-GOAT-LIDGE-21-9212305.JPG?width=300&height=400&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
Rules apply for thee, not me. Really applies to the whole ethos of Cardinals fandom on and off the field
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Yadi #22 on the all-time list between Kendall and Porter. Not even the best ever Cardinal or Rican catcher.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_C.shtml
Lol.
JAWS:
“Note that only batting is used to determine averages at a given position.”
He has a higher fwar than fellow Cardinal Catcher Hall of Famer Ted Simmons from your same referenced place. Lol.
With a score of 100 being a Hall of Famer, Molina checked in at 169 at the end of last season, at the Bill James Hall of Famer Monitor.
Gonna be a rough time for some here in a few years.
What a time to be alive.
https://twitter.com/stlsportscntrl/status/1560434524647038976?s=21&t=Qvx-d0y30pt3gjW9cWm7gg
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Lol.
JAWS:
“Note that only batting is used to determine averages at a given position.”
He has a higher fwar than fellow Cardinal Catcher Hall of Famer Ted Simmons from your same referenced place. Lol.
With a score of 100 being a Hall of Famer, Molina checked in at 169 at the end of last season, at the Bill James Hall of Famer Monitor.
Gonna be a rough time for some here in a few years.
What a time to be alive.
https://twitter.com/stlsportscntrl/status/1560434524647038976?s=21&t=Qvx-d0y30pt3gjW9cWm7gg
I don't know what is more delusional. You thinking you have no STL bias or thinking that Molina being elected to the HOF is honestly going to bother anywhere here for more than 30 seconds.
But go ahead and keep thinking your random Cardinals Twitter posts are HILARIOUS trolls.
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I don't know what is more delusional. You thinking you have no STL bias or thinking that Molina being elected to the HOF is honestly going to bother anywhere here for more than 30 seconds.
But go ahead and keep thinking your random Cardinals Twitter posts are HILARIOUS trolls.
Gee, I don’t know Milwaukee Cubs fan, a dozen posts in such a short time, including yours, seems a little triggered to me.
I wish there were more New York and L.A. posts, but the Cards seem to move the needle here more.
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Lol.
JAWS:
“Note that only batting is used to determine averages at a given position.”
He has a higher fwar than fellow Cardinal Catcher Hall of Famer Ted Simmons from your same referenced place. Lol.
With a score of 100 being a Hall of Famer, Molina checked in at 169 at the end of last season, at the Bill James Hall of Famer Monitor.
Gonna be a rough time for some here in a few years.
What a time to be alive.
https://twitter.com/stlsportscntrl/status/1560434524647038976?s=21&t=Qvx-d0y30pt3gjW9cWm7gg
Jaffe with roots to Baseball Prospectus, MLB, SI is a joke? Yadi is Darrell Porter, another Cardinal catcher. Maybe James' qualitative add gets him over? But it's borderline.
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Jaffe with roots to Baseball Prospectus, MLB, SI is a joke? Yadi is Darrell Porter, another Cardinal catcher. Maybe James' qualitative add gets him over? But it's borderline.
You can either include FanGraphs WAR and other places mentioned such as Bill James etc…or you can keep posting the same thing. That’s up to you.
We’ll see if Darrell Porter can also get into the Hall of Fame with Molina.
I do appreciate your passion for the topic.
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Gee, I don’t know Milwaukee Cubs fan, a dozen posts in such a short time, including yours, seems a little triggered to me.
I wish there were more New York and L.A. posts, but the Cards seem to move the needle here more.
Oh yes, you post STL-related stuff in 90% of your non-Tennis posts and RUSH to defend the city at all costs ONLY cause thats the topic du jour :o. Gotcha.
Its cute how you think this "Milwaukee Cubs fan" BS is somehow damning. Almost as cute as thinking people are TRIGGERED when you're constantly being screwed with cause its a messageboard mid summer.
Can't wait for the next Cardenales tweet!
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I have no problem with Yadi going to the Hall. There are a lot of borderline (or worse) players in the HoF.
Interesting that you have no problem with an alleged team leader quitting on the club during a pennant race, but I guess not too surprising in that you'd have defended Saddam Hussein if he had played an inning for the Cardinals.
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I have no problem with Yadi going to the Hall. There are a lot of borderline (or worse) players in the HoF.
Interesting that you have no problem with an alleged team leader quitting on the club during a pennant race, but I guess not too surprising in that you'd have defended Saddam Hussein if he had played an inning for the Cardinals.
If they put Yadi in the Hall of Fame, they should turn the place into a parking lot. Or better yet, a meth lab to fully embrace St. Louis
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If they put Yadi in the Hall of Fame, they should turn the place into a parking lot. Or better yet, a meth lab to fully embrace St. Louis
Now now ... St. Louis also has slums, bad pizza and ribs, and make-believe ravioli.
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Were baseballs miraculously sticking to Yadi’s chest protector because of the spider tack that the Cards pitchers were using, it was Yadi bathing his chest protector in pine tar before games?
My guess is both. No sheet he has been a great defensive catcher. Dude cheats as much as his roiding first base buddy.
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Now now ... St. Louis also has slums, bad pizza and ribs, and make-believe ravioli.
low blow there. It's real ravioli; they just deep fry it and call it "toasted."
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Oh yes, you post STL-related stuff in 90% of your non-Tennis posts and RUSH to defend the city at all costs ONLY cause thats the topic du jour :o. Gotcha.
Its cute how you think this "Milwaukee Cubs fan" BS is somehow damning. Almost as cute as thinking people are TRIGGERED when you're constantly being screwed with cause its a messageboard mid summer.
Can't wait for the next Cardenales tweet!
Gee I don’t know, I think I know triggered when I see triggered, and you seem a bit triggered. We can talk about what is it you do in the triggered club, the properties of being triggered, etc…
If only my NCAA Women’s Soccer post the other day would have received this kid of interest. Tell me, are you concerned that Marquette was non-competitive in its 3-0 loss to Notre Dame the other day? Or do you think Frank can up the recruiting level a bit and get something going? I want a dozen posts on that. Sigh. But that’s a different thread.
This is the baseball thread. Some of us, some more than others, are discussing baseball.
If discussing baseball, or the Cardinals is being screwed with, how blessed am I? Truly blessed.
I don’t think anyone cares if you are a Milwaukee Cubs fan, or a Miami of Ohio Marquette fan. Subway alums have equal value here, at least with me. Big series for the Cubbies this week.
Bummer you missed my recent post about Goldschmidt, Arenado, vaccines and boosted. I would have thought some would have it printed out and framed by now. You’d think that would have been taken care of as a matter of public health, let alone to enter other countries or to play baseball. Oh well.
Now I can go back to all of my negative posts about Milwaukee, Chicago, Cubs and Brewers. Oh wait…
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Borderline Yadi pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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Kopeck leaves in first inning with knee pain. White Sox rally from down 4-0 to tie it at 4, only to have Royals win on 2 HBPs, single and walk.
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693.
On an absolute rampage.
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Gee I don’t know, I think I know triggered when I see triggered, and you seem a bit triggered. We can talk about what is it you do in the triggered club, the properties of being triggered, etc…
If only my NCAA Women’s Soccer post the other day would have received this kid of interest. Tell me, are you concerned that Marquette was non-competitive in its 3-0 loss to Notre Dame the other day? Or do you think Frank can up the recruiting level a bit and get something going? I want a dozen posts on that. Sigh. But that’s a different thread.
This is the baseball thread. Some of us, some more than others, are discussing baseball.
If discussing baseball, or the Cardinals is being screwed with, how blessed am I? Truly blessed.
I don’t think anyone cares if you are a Milwaukee Cubs fan, or a Miami of Ohio Marquette fan. Subway alums have equal value here, at least with me. Big series for the Cubbies this week.
Bummer you missed my recent post about Goldschmidt, Arenado, vaccines and boosted. I would have thought some would have it printed out and framed by now. You’d think that would have been taken care of as a matter of public health, let alone to enter other countries or to play baseball. Oh well.
Now I can go back to all of my negative posts about Milwaukee, Chicago, Cubs and Brewers. Oh wait…
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Borderline Yadi pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
The irony of you calling anyone else triggered and then producing this novel…
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693.
On an absolute rampage.
449th different pitcher that he's homered against. (Tied for 1st all tiime) 30th HR at Wrigley.
Lost in the shuffle is Jordan Montgomery going 4-0 with a 0.35 E.R.A. since he was picked up at the trade deadline from the Yankees. 99 pitches, 1 hit, no BB, 7 K's.
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449th different pitcher that he's homered against. (Tied for 1st all tiime) 30th HR at Wrigley.
Lost in the shuffle is Jordan Montgomery going 4-0 with a 0.35 E.R.A. since he was picked up at the trade deadline from the Yankees. 99 pitches, 1 hit, no BB, 7 K's.
I expected a break out season from Montgomery this year but he really struggled the first half of the year. Maybe he was dealing with a nagging injury (a rumor that I heard).
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The irony of you calling anyone else triggered and then producing this novel…
Roid rage
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111 games for Pujols first 7 dingers. Now 7 more in his last 10 games. At age 42. Just so happens to be so close to a major and rarely reached career milestone in his final season, and precious time left to get there.
Just reeks of juicing. He’s been on a steady decline for years and doing little before this recent binge. Now suddenly he can’t stop hitting home runs. Come on.
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111 games for Pujols first 7 dingers. Now 7 more in his last 10 games. At age 42. Just so happens to be so close to a major and rarely reached career milestone in his final season, and precious time left to get there.
Just reeks of juicing. He’s been on a steady decline for years and doing little before this recent binge. Now suddenly he can’t stop hitting home runs. Come on.
It’s hard to believe a Cardinals player might cheat
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It’s hard to believe a Cardinals player might cheat
I’m not surprised in the least actually. But the narrative is not the least bit skeptical by many, including some right here. That’s why it needs to be said.
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I don't really think juicing works like that. You don't just start taking something then start hitting home runs. I think its just a guy on a hot streak, which will inevitably cool down before the end of the year. Last year, he had a HR every 17.4 PA. This year its every 16.5.
I don't think that's all that much of a difference considering he hardly got consistent ABs at the end of last year.
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Greatness is emerging in the National League Central Division. All you Cub fans are doomed to another 102 years before the next World Series -- if you're lucky!
Despite huge pressure to trade the future of the franchise for Juan Soto, the Cardinals went after pitching. And, wow, has that made a difference. And they gave up next to nothing for what they received.
Yadi is looking good, Albert's dinging and Paul and Nolan look like the MVPs they are. If we get Flaherty back this year (not optimistic), this could be THE year!
Biggest concern: Wainwright is overworked and Dakota Hudson has been inconsistent.
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Congratulations to Pujols on his hot streak.
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I don't really think juicing works like that. You don't just start taking something then start hitting home runs. I think its just a guy on a hot streak, which will inevitably cool down before the end of the year. Last year, he had a HR every 17.4 PA. This year its every 16.5.
I don't think that's all that much of a difference considering he hardly got consistent ABs at the end of last year.
Exactly.
We can talk all day about if Pujols juiced in the past.
But Roids dont work where you take them and just start mashing bombs for 10 days straight on whim.
But hey, if Albert is able to juice undetected and see immediate results, I guess everyone should try and emmulate his strategy.
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Exactly.
We can talk all day about if Pujols juiced in the past.
But Roids dont work where you take them and just start mashing bombs for 10 days straight on whim.
But hey, if Albert is able to juice undetected and see immediate results, I guess everyone should try and emmulate his strategy.
I heard he was taking a cocktail of adderall and bull semen.
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There’s little doubt the Cardinals have an elaborate sign stealing scheme that involves technology which we know is a no-no but that’s what franchises with no qualms about cheating and cheaters do. Half the fan base is under indictment for their roles in Janhuary 6th and the other half are under investigation for meth dealing
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For those with credible interest in the topic, Pujols mashed lefties with L.A. last year as well.
1) There is a DH now in the National League.
2) He plays vs lefties mostly, as opposed to being over played vs righties in the firsr half. He plays when a lefty starts. He pinch hits when a lefty is in the game. It would need to be a unique situation for him to hit righties. He was pinched hit for with a lefty hitter vs a righty just a few games ago.
3) He only became/accepted being a part time player, and, specialist vs lefties the past couple of seasons. Positive environments in L.A. and Stl as well.
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For those with credible interest in the topic, Pujols mashed lefties with L.A. last year as well.
1) There is a DH now in the National League.
2) He plays vs lefties mostly, as opposed to being over played vs righties in the firsr half. He plays when a lefty starts. He pinch hits when a lefty is in the game. It would need to be a unique situation for him to hit righties. He was pinched hit for with a lefty hitter vs a righty just a few games ago.
3) He only became/accepted being a part time player, and, specialist vs lefties the past couple of seasons. Positive environments in L.A. and Stl as well.
And the cheating
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Uninteresting.
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There’s little doubt the Cardinals have an elaborate sign stealing scheme that involves technology which we know is a no-no but that’s what franchises with no qualms about cheating and cheaters do. Half the fan base is under indictment for their roles in January 6th and the other half are under investigation for meth dealing
Brother Rico:
Obviously your post shows you are coming to grips with the fact the Cubs won't win again for 102 years. Ad hominin fallacies are what frustrated Cub fans resort to when they realize that, once again, their team sucks.
Enjoy your bad baseball in a good park! 8-)
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Brother Rico:
Obviously your post shows you are coming to grips with the fact the Cubs won't win again for 102 years. Ad hominin fallacies are what frustrated Cub fans resort to when they realize that, once again, their team sucks.
Enjoy your bad baseball in a good park! 8-)
I’m an honesty broker
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Brother Rico:
Obviously your post shows you are coming to grips with the fact the Cubs won't win again for 102 years. Ad hominin fallacies are what frustrated Cub fans resort to when they realize that, once again, their team sucks.
Enjoy your bad baseball in a good park! 8-)
Well the Cubs won today. Yadiots are left wondering if the Mendoza Line is in their near future after another 0fer ?
#Cooperstown
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Well the Cubs won today. Yadiots are left wondering if the Mendoza Line is in their near future after another 0fer ?
#Cooperstown
Molina must have compromising info on the front office for them to keep letting his carcass play
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Molina must have compromising info on the front office for them to keep letting his carcass play
He'll be leaving town for 5 days to watch his new bocce team in action.
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He'll be leaving town for 5 days to watch his new bocce team in action.
Maybe they’ll let him into that hall of fame
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Greatness is emerging in the National League Central Division. All you Cub fans are doomed to another 102 years before the next World Series -- if you're lucky!
Despite huge pressure to trade the future of the franchise for Juan Soto, the Cardinals went after pitching. And, wow, has that made a difference. And they gave up next to nothing for what they received.
Yadi is looking good, Albert's dinging and Paul and Nolan look like the MVPs they are. If we get Flaherty back this year (not optimistic), this could be THE year!
Biggest concern: Wainwright is overworked and Dakota Hudson has been inconsistent.
The Cards aren’t very good. Look at who they’re playing. They’ll lose in the first round of the Playoffs. They aren’t close to a WS caliber team in any way.
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The Cards aren’t very good. Look at who they’re playing. They’ll lose in the first round of the Playoffs. They aren’t close to a WS caliber team in any way.
They will have a great shot to win their first series.
Beating the Mets after that will be a different story
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They will have a great shot to win their first series.
Beating the Mets after that will be a different story
The Cardinals won the World Series in recent memory with 83 regular season wins one year, and, as a Wild Card another. They lost in the World Series or even earlier a few times with some of their better 100 win type teams etc…Once the playoffs get going, you never know.
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Pitch count is the only thing that may stop a JV no hitter tonight.
And a dropped 3rd strike is currently the only thing stopping the perfect game.
Twins are pure trash.
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During his Detroit years, we would call that 'Must see JV'. When he had that look and that rhythm, you had to watch until he gave up a hit.
He needs some quick outs.
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During his Detroit years, we would call that 'Must see JV'. When he had that look and that rhythm, you had to watch until he gave up a hit.
He needs some quick outs.
That look is im facing the helpless Twins.
He hes 16-3 with a 2.12 against the Twins in his last 24 starts.
Had a no hitter through 7 against them this year already. And is facing a god awful lineup.
The fact hes at 72 pitches is actually a win for the Twins.
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No-brainer to take Verlander out of the game.
Letting your 39-year-old ace with a surgically repaired arm throw 130+ pitches to pursue an individual accomplishment in an August game would not be the best way to pursue your very attainable goal of winning the World Series.
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No-brainer to take Verlander out of the game.
Letting your 39-year-old ace with a surgically repaired arm throw 130+ pitches to pursue an individual accomplishment in an August game would not be the best way to pursue your very attainable goal of winning the World Series.
Agreed. He is already 4th in the AL for most innings pitched this year. No need to push it over these last 6 weeks.
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Twins made it interesting.
Unfortunately down 4-2 with bases loaded 2 outs and 2 runs already in.
Jake Cave decided to strike out on 3 pitches, for his 4th K of the game. LOL.
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https://twitter.com/evr551/status/1562227584909414410?s=21&t=W1QfEa1xAP9Mf2CtTIsNqg
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Twins made it interesting.
Unfortunately down 4-2 with bases loaded 2 outs and 2 runs already in.
Jake Cave decided to strike out on 3 pitches, for his 4th K of the game. LOL.
Astros relievers have been very shaky on closing out games in last couple of weeks, and it showed last night.
Twins were given just 3 innings without JV to chase a win and they came a hairs breath from success. A plucky effort
Besides this being Correa's first game back in Houston, since his FA signing, ...
the game also featured Yordan Alvarez' mom, dad and brother making it in from Cuba to Houston for the first time to see him play in an MLB park...
a couple of warm feeling side stories added to the evening.
Although I have been an Astros fan for the last 42 years,...
I was born in Edina, (0-8yrs: a Twins fan, incl. the '65 world series). By a seating coincidence in pre-K, I was befriended by/played with Vic Power's son and over there I met another Cuban shortly after the Twins got him from Cuba...Tony Oliva. Super nice guy to us kids.
When Yordan burst on the scene it reminded me of Tony Oliva...who as a rookie put up numbers then compared to rookie Ted Williams. I am so glad to see Tony in the HOF, beside Harmon, and now Kaat.
BTW Houston announcers agreed Minny got hosed when umps forced a pitcher replacement, after the HBP/second "visit".
The HBP was no "mound visit"
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Feels like now or never for the Brew Crew. Their next 18 games are against sub .500 teams and 11 of them are at home. Catching the Cardinals is already a long shot. If they can't get a couple game lead on either San Diego or Philly by the end of this stretch, I don't see them being able to do it when they finish with 6 games against both New York teams and 4 games against the Redbirds (though ending with 6 homes games against the D-Backs and Marlins may give them a shot). Philly has an extremely soft schedule the rest of the way. San Diego has to play the Dodgers 9 more times and seems to have hit rock bottom.
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Feels like now or never for the Brew Crew. Their next 18 games are against sub .500 teams and 11 of them are at home. Catching the Cardinals is already a long shot. If they can't get a couple game lead on either San Diego or Philly by the end of this stretch, I don't see them being able to do it when they finish with 6 games against both New York teams and 4 games against the Redbirds (though ending with 6 homes games against the D-Backs and Marlins may give them a shot). Philly has an extremely soft schedule the rest of the way. San Diego has to play the Dodgers 9 more times and seems to have hit rock bottom.
Throw your money at never. They're done.
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Watch as long-time minor leaguer Wynton Bernard tells his mom he got called up (https://youtu.be/PH3Kf_Bg_u4) to the Rockies.
Bonus: He's playing well (https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/32981).
I know that pretty much every guy in the major leagues probably had a similar call, but this touched me. Especially at 31 years old after ten years playing for 20+ teams (https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=bernar000wyn) in the minors.
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Throw your money at never. They're done.
I think they make the playoffs but it will be because SD continues to collapse, rather than any impressive run they go on.
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https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/1562864604480344065?t=o0K3CBOyhdZf6LSPf8WpoA&s=19
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https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/1562864604480344065?t=o0K3CBOyhdZf6LSPf8WpoA&s=19
Very cool.
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https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/1562864604480344065?t=o0K3CBOyhdZf6LSPf8WpoA&s=19
Is getting fat a requisite when you play for the Cards?
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Is getting fat a requisite when you play for the Cards?
It happens when you take anabolic steroids and then age.
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Brewers’ attendance drop one of the steepest in MLB. Blame goes to group sales and Cubs fans.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/brewers-attendance-drop-among-steepest-120016954.html
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TLR put in Adam Engel as a defensive replacement ... and Engel responded by dropping Kyle Stowers' 9th-inning foul ball for the White Sox's third error of the night. A couple of pitches later -- with the O's down to their final strike -- Stowers homered off Liam Hendriks to tie it, and Baltimore won it in the 11th.
I don't know anything about Adam Engel, so I'm not saying LaRussa blew the game or anything. But sometimes there are seasons in which just about everything a manager does goes right ... and then there is the kind of season LaRussa is having in 2022.
I don't wanna say Sox fans have lost the faith, but you can go on Vivid Seats right now and buy a ticket to the Sept. 22 game against Cleveland for $2, and a ticket in the second level behind the plate for $16.
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Rick Morrissey on the likelihood of Reinsdorf firing LaRussa:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2022/8/26/23323627/trying-and-failing-to-imagine-jerry-reinsdorf-holding-white-sox-employees-accountable-tony-la-russa?fbclid=IwAR1KTRp5By2xlyA5AZFTRzKCoD_kH4FbJvma-k7SxIGGZH7Ltil2usy4-Jc
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Milwaukee Brewers Legend Trevor Rosenthal
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Milwaukee Brewers Legend Trevor Rosenthal
When am I going to wear that jersey tee now??
Also I mentioned earlier in the thread that the Brewers had won the Hader trade so far, but lordy lordy. Rogers has settled in after some turbulence early, as of tomorrow (had a blowup on 6/14) will have given up 1 hit, 1 walk, 1 unearned run against 8 strikeouts in 6.1 IP in 6 appearances. Hader over the same stretch has had four appearances good for only 2 IP, with 4 SOs against 10 hits, 4 walks, and 9 earned.
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When am I going to wear that jersey tee now??
Also I mentioned earlier in the thread that the Brewers had won the Hader trade so far, but lordy lordy. Rogers has settled in after some turbulence early, as of tomorrow (had a blowup on 6/14) will have given up 1 hit, 1 walk, 1 unearned run against 8 strikeouts in 6.1 IP in 6 appearances. Hader over the same stretch has had four appearances good for only 2 IP, with 4 SOs against 10 hits, 4 walks, and 9 earned.
He’s either hurt or there’s issues at home
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Josh Hader got lit up today in Kansas City like a freaking fireworks show. Brought in to start the 8th with the Padres trailing 9-6. Gave up 5 hits, 2 walks and 6 earned runs, all while retiring one batter. Padres lose 15-7.
You're right.Something seriously wrong somewhere.
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I kinda thought he might have been tipping his pitches, but now it seems like that's morphed into a full blown case of the yips.
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I kinda thought he might have been tipping his pitches, but now it seems like that's morphed into a full blown case of the yips.
Wouldn’t happen if Yadier Molina was his catcher
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He’s either hurt or there’s issues at home
His ERA since the Mar a Lago raid is over 15.
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His ERA since the Mar a Lago raid is over 15.
Freaking deep state
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Freaking deep state
Now he's been killed by the Go-Deep State.
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https://twitter.com/hochman/status/1564247991925587969?s=21&t=7KsYr1I4dJuZEllmFRIifAP
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https://twitter.com/hochman/status/1564247991925587969?s=21&t=7KsYr1I4dJuZEllmFRIifAP
Maybe abandoning his team in the middle of a pennant race actually WAS good for his team.
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Maybe abandoning his team in the middle of a pennant race actually WAS good for his team.
Clearly the case. At least he can buy a ticket to get into Cooperstown
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Clearly the case. At least he can buy a ticket to get into Cooperstown
He may only have 12 RBI this year, but they were the greatest RBIs. People say every one was HoF worthy.
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694
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Went out to dinner in Columbia the other day and two guys at a table next to us were talking about where Pujols is in all time home runs and they were talking about how Barry Bonds doesn’t count because he used steroids. Lol. The same fanbase that is bowing at Albert Pujols’s feet and has a section named after Mark McGuire in their stadium…
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Went out to dinner in Columbia the other day and two guys at a table next to us were talking about where Pujols is in all time home runs and they were talking about how Barry Bonds doesn’t count because he used steroids. Lol. The same fanbase that is bowing at Albert Pujols’s feet and has a section named after Mark McGuire in their stadium…
Cardinals fans in a restaurant? Most restaurants require shoes
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https://twitter.com/diluvsthebrew/status/1564423502572167168
In case Mark is a scooper, my condolences
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https://twitter.com/diluvsthebrew/status/1564423502572167168
In case Mark is a scooper, my condolences
Yeesh. That’s like a villain origin story type of stuff. Let’s hope Mark doesn’t turn to a life of dentistry.
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Yeesh. That’s like a villain origin story type of stuff. Let’s hope Mark doesn’t turn to a life of dentistry.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB2B_MTXoAEV7xj.jpg)
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Raise your hand if you've never been on the receiving end of one of these pieces of news(although probably not on a stadium scoreboard).
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It was probably true awhile back, but now it's really the case: Time for the White Sox to take their manager's lead and go into hibernation for the offseason.
The most disappointing White Sox team in many years.
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I don’t know exactly what TLR’s issue is (I’ve heard rumors), but he will not manage another game for the Sox (I’ve heard through back channels).
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Are the rumors health related? Or no
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I don’t know exactly what TLR’s issue is (I’ve heard rumors), but he will not manage another game for the Sox (I’ve heard through back channels).
Yeah, after making my post, I saw on the ESPN crawl that LaRussa was stepping away or whatever. I don't doubt what you say is true.
LaRussa is a proud guy (many would even say vain). He doesn't want to have to make Reinsdorf fire him.
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Are the rumors health related? Or no
It’s public now, but TLR had chest pains in his office pre-game yesterday.
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So they basically wasted almost two seasons with this promising young core because Jerry wanted to hire the guy he regretted firing 30 years ago.
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Absolutely. You are forgetting how many years Garpax had with the Bulls because they were "Jerry's guys"
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deGrom is insane and just a blast to watch.
Dodgers are making better contact(relative to teams vs deGrom) with 6 ks in 5 innings.
Issue is you may wanna K more. Innings 2-4 he threw 28 pitches total.
This may be the start the Mets let him extend a little more.
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So they basically wasted almost two seasons with this promising young core because Jerry wanted to hire the guy he regretted firing 30 years ago.
Hawk Harrelson will be the next manager. You can put it on the board!
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Hawk Harrelson will be the next manager. You can put it on the board!
Ozzie.
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The irony of the ineveitable Correa opt out is all of Minnesota is praying for it.
If this dude couldnt get a good long term deal last year, he might get Nick Punto money this offseason.
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Its pretty fascinating that Angel Hernandez still believes that the MLB is shutting him out of umpiring World Series games. I have no idea what world this guy lives on.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34497311/mlb-argues-umpire-angel-hernandez-3-overturned-calls-2018-alds-cost-world-series-spot (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34497311/mlb-argues-umpire-angel-hernandez-3-overturned-calls-2018-alds-cost-world-series-spot)
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The irony of the ineveitable Correa opt out is all of Minnesota is praying for it.
If this dude couldnt get a good long term deal last year, he might get Nick Punto money this offseason.
He will still get $25MM+. He's had a meh year for him, but other than his slugging, his numbers aren't THAT bad. GG caliber SSs who have career OPS near .850 don't grow on trees. He's still I think 7th in WAR for SS.
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He will still get $25MM+. He's had a meh year for him, but other than his slugging, his numbers aren't THAT bad. GG caliber SSs who have career OPS near .850 don't grow on trees. He's still I think 7th in WAR for SS.
Yeah. He'd be about the second best offensive player on the Brewers roster, and is very good defensively.
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The problem for Correa is the glut of premier SS that’ll be on the market again.
Turner, Swanson, Bogaerts, Correa will all be on the market. Volpe will probably be the Yankees SS next year.
Atlanta May move Grissom to SS. Boston has given every indication they don’t want to pay anyone.
Cubs/Dodgers may have a buyers market at SS this offseason.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BYSp2pzP0Y&t=76s
This is awesome. Hope the Mets make a run in the Playoffs.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BYSp2pzP0Y&t=76s
This is awesome. Hope the Mets make a run in the Playoffs.
Even more awesome considering the leverage of the situation. Up a run against the 2-3-4 hitters of the best team in baseball.
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He will still get $25MM+. He's had a meh year for him, but other than his slugging, his numbers aren't THAT bad. GG caliber SSs who have career OPS near .850 don't grow on trees. He's still I think 7th in WAR for SS.
The issue this year isnt just the slugging being down, its that he has quite literally zero memorable moments this year. Like not one clutch hit. Everything is like last night.
The D is elite.
But numbers wise hes basically Gio Urshela this year. Only issue is Urshela isnt getting paid like a superstar and Urshela has no joke like 10 absolutely massive knocks this year.
Correa is definitely a good leader though. But hes basically Buxton in key spots with Ks and lack of advancing runners. And unlike Buxton he doesnt run into the occaisional ball for walk off tanks.
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The issue this year isnt just the slugging being down, its that he has quite literally zero memorable moments this year. Like not one clutch hit. Everything is like last night.
The D is elite.
But numbers wise hes basically Gio Urshela this year. Only issue is Urshela isnt getting paid like a superstar and Urshela has no joke like 10 absolutely massive knocks this year.
Correa is definitely a good leader though. But hes basically Buxton in key spots with Ks and lack of advancing runners. And unlike Buxton he doesnt run into the occaisional ball for walk off tanks.
Thats silly eye test stuff.
Correa has notably better OBP/OPS, almost double the walks, bunch less strikeouts and nearly double the OWAR...in a down year offensively for him. I get the frustation with a Twins team that should be a lot better, but Correa is far from the issue. Most of that starting lineup outside of Arriez and Gordon has underachieved worse than him
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Thats silly eye test stuff.
Correa has notably better OBP/OPS, almost double the walks, bunch less strikeouts and nearly double the OWAR...in a down year offensively for him. I get the frustation with a Twins team that should be a lot better, but Correa is far from the issue. Most of that starting lineup outside of Arriez and Gordon has underachieved worse than him
I mean Correa draws more walks thats really the difference there in OBP/OPS.
And the clutch contributions are not eye test. Gio simply has been the guy to do it. And dont get me wrong, can't be mailing in ABs at any time. But Correas damage has been done mostly in the first 2 at bats of a game.
Its ironic that I am comparing these two guys as well. Because they both hit into an obnoxious amount of DPs
Obviously the punto contract thing was insansely hyperbolic in the moment. But Correa has not produced his weight.
Defense and mostly being out there everyday(unlike Buxton) are his two biggest attributes.
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Joe Maddon (as told to the Tampa Bay Times):
“When people keep blaming the dugout for a lot of the things they’re seeing, they need to understand they shouldn’t be doing that. Because the manager has so many voices in the back of his head by the time the game begins, it’s not his game like it had been. It’s absolutely the front office’s game.”
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Joe Maddon (as told to the Tampa Bay Times):
“When people keep blaming the dugout for a lot of the things they’re seeing, they need to understand they shouldn’t be doing that. Because the manager has so many voices in the back of his head by the time the game begins, it’s not his game like it had been. It’s absolutely the front office’s game.”
There are few ‘real’ managers anymore.
Dusty, Showalter, Roberts. Hard to think of more.
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There are few ‘real’ managers anymore.
Dusty, Showalter, Roberts. Hard to think of more.
Wouldn’t you have thought Maddon would have been part of that group?
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Wouldn’t you have thought Maddon would have been part of that group?
I think he was in a group with guys like Counsell who straddle both worlds.
Very up n the analytics side and working with the front office, as well as doing some old school managing.
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Baldelli blew another absolutely crucial divisional game last night.
Nonsensical to not use Duran for a second inning in the 8th after throwing just 10 pitches. Asinine. Incompetence. Just a complete idiot.
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Dylan Chase wit a no/no thru 8, hey?
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White Sox back from the dead.
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Rocco Baldelli, what an a hole move last night in the bottom of the 8th. If there’s baseball karma, that move will RIP the Twins season.
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Interesting tidbit from The Athletic:
Cease’s twin brother, Alec, watching from home, certainly thought it was happening, only for history to repeat itself. When they were 12 and in Little League in Georgia, Alec was one out away from a no-hitter, when a single over the head of their second baseman ended his bid. In Chicago, 14 years later, Dylan stood against the best contact hitter in the league, and uncorked his best pitch — maybe the best pitch in the sport – only for Arraez to turn history into mere brilliance in the same way.
“Now he knows my pain,” quipped Alec.
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Rocco Baldelli, what an a hole move last night in the bottom of the 8th. If there’s baseball karma, that move will RIP the Twins season.
What did he do, Dish?
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What did he do, Dish?
In a 7-0 game, he brought in Nick Gordon (position player) to pitch, knowing it would keep Cease in the dugout for an extended period of time before coming out to try to finish off a no hitter.
He then changed pitchers mid inning to another position player, to further delay things.
It was clear he was trying to be a dick about the situation.
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In a 7-0 game, he brought in Nick Gordon (position player) to pitch, knowing it would keep Cease in the dugout for an extended period of time before coming out to try to finish off a no hitter.
He then changed pitchers mid inning to another position player, to further delay things.
It was clear he was trying to be a dick about the situation.
Gotcha - thanks for the info.
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Looks like the Yanks are going to finish like the '51 Giants.
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Looks like the Yanks are going to finish like the '51 Giants.
Winning the pennant?
Winning the pennant?
Winning the pennant?
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In a 7-0 game, he brought in Nick Gordon (position player) to pitch, knowing it would keep Cease in the dugout for an extended period of time before coming out to try to finish off a no hitter.
He then changed pitchers mid inning to another position player, to further delay things.
It was clear he was trying to be a dick about the situation.
Lol dude. That is a massive stretch.
Rocco is a borderline moron. He isn’t strategizing that deeply
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https://twitter.com/BallySportsMW/status/1566545141619376133?t=jnO7JXC0tfA4j3Y9C24tRA&s=19
https://twitter.com/cardenales/status/1566551928372604929?t=YqpMfb8RTzGWoNrsPP5Q9w&s=19
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Another disastrous series against a sub .500 team for the brewers. At this point just call everyone up and see if anyone in the farm system can hit. And then dump Yelich
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Peddle his ass for a used rosin bag, aina?
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Needs to get Braun’s dealer’s number back. Or better yet, get Pujols’s dealer’s number.
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Lol dude. That is a massive stretch.
Rocco is a borderline moron. He isn’t strategizing that deeply
Umm…
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Needs to get Braun’s dealer’s number back. Or better yet, get Pujols’s dealer’s number.
At minimum give him back his sign stealing.
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Amazin' how once ya get da bag, ya kan quit kold turkey, hey?
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Eh, the NFL is less than a week away. Brewers did me a favor blowing it early versus hanging on for awhile.
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Dey won't even finish .500. Peddle Attanasio's ass, aina?
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Dey won't even finish .500. Peddle Attanasio's ass, aina?
I’m hoping one of Milwaukee’s local billionaires buys the team or the Selig’s take over again
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Eye mite bea able ta round up a few MU dental grads ta kick inn, hey?
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Lol dude. That is a massive stretch.
Rocco is a borderline moron. He isn’t strategizing that deeply
I don’t know, PG. Being a dick and being a moron aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.
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I’ve heard a good amount of Brewers fans wanting Mark gone. I don’t understand it at all. I saw the Brewers go to the Playoffs 0 times in the first 20 years of my life. They’ve gone to the Playoffs 6 times in the last 14 years (not including this year). Yes the expanded Playoffs have helped, but 3 of those were Divisional titles and they’ve been infinitely more competitive overall since he bought the team than they were before he did. In a sport where they’re always going to be one of the smallest markets with no salary cap.
But sure, a couple dentists making 6 figures a year could probably take the team off the billionaire’s hands and pay that payroll every year.
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I have absolutely no qualms at all about the current leadership of the organization. Mark...Stearns...Counsell... They have been remarkably consistent without fully tanking.
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Mark bought the team for roughly $220 mil and could sell it tomorrow for $1.5 bil. He's a business man first and a fan second. Shockin' he duzant take da bread and get outta Dodge, hey?
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Mark bought the team for roughly $220 mil and could sell it tomorrow for $1.5 bil. He's a business man first and a fan second. Shockin' he duzant take da bread and get outta Dodge, hey?
Just like every sports team owner. It’s pretty easy to understand why he doesn’t take the money and run. What major professional sports organization’s value had gone down recently? The value will continue to rise far faster than almost anything else he could invest in.
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I dunno. Eye'd bea willin' ta cell my Packers' stock fore face value, hey?
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Pujols to 695, Judge to 53.
Who gets to their magic number (700/62) first, or will neither do it? 28 games to go.
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I still hear some talking about Ohtani as AL MVP.
Today, with the pressure of a division title on the line, Judge hit his 53rd HR and also made a great aggressive baserunning play to steal a run, and the Yankees won 2-1 against the team chasing them.
He has 3 walkoff HRs this season, the most since Mantle something like 70 years ago.
I know Ohtani is great, that he is doing things nobody has done. I love watching him. Yet none of it has come with a hint of pressure on him. I get that it’s not his fault that the Angels suck, but Judge is having an ok year too.
I’m frankly surprised that a single non-Angels fan in America would pick Ohtani over a guy with 53 HR and a bunch of important hits for a first-place team.
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I still hear some talking about Ohtani as AL MVP.
Today, with the pressure of a division title on the line, Judge hit his 53rd HR and also made a great aggressive baserunning play to steal a run, and the Yankees won 2-1 against the team chasing them.
He has 3 walkoff HRs this season, the most since Mantle something like 70 years ago.
I know Ohtani is great, that he is doing things nobody has done. I love watching him. Yet none of it has come with a hint of pressure on him. I get that it’s not his fault that the Angels suck, but Judge is having an ok year too.
I’m frankly surprised that a single non-Angels fan in America would pick Ohtani over a guy with 53 HR and a bunch of important hits for a first-place team.
Judge has ‘led’ the Yankees to a worse record over the last 50 games than the Angels.
Is he still MVP if the Yanks blow a 15 1/2 game lead?
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Judge has ‘led’ the Yankees to a worse record over the last 50 games than the Angels.
Is he still MVP if the Yanks blow a 15 1/2 game lead?
If not for Judge, the Yankees wouldn't have had a large lead to blow.
Additionally, since the season's midpoint, Judge has a 1.282 OPS, 20 HR, 45 RBI. Over the 4 weeks, it's 1.148, 10, 18. Over the last 2 weeks, it's 1.393, 7, 13. All are better than Ohtani's batting stats -- in some cases, significantly better -- during the same spans. Judge has kept going even when Stanton and other Yankees have been injured and opponents have tried to pitch around him, and he's done it within a pennant race.
He's no more responsible for the Yankees sucking since the ASB than Ohtani has been responsible for the Angels sucking ever since he got to L.A., so if the "it doesn't matter that the team sucks" standard is being invoked, why can't it be invoked for Judge as well?
I'm not gonna rip on Ohtani at all. He's marvelous and he's exciting and -- to use a far-overused term that actually does apply to him -- he really is a unicorn. But Judge is have a far better offensive year for a far better team, and IMHO that superiority helps overshadow what Ohtani has done in his 23 starts as a pitcher for a horrible team that hasn't "needed" to win since he's gotten there.
I'm actually surprised you'd disagree.
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If not for Judge, the Yankees wouldn't have had a large lead to blow.
Additionally, since the season's midpoint, Judge has a 1.282 OPS, 20 HR, 45 RBI. Over the 4 weeks, it's 1.148, 10, 18. Over the last 2 weeks, it's 1.393, 7, 13. All are better than Ohtani's batting stats -- in some cases, significantly better -- during the same spans. Judge has kept going even when Stanton and other Yankees have been injured and opponents have tried to pitch around him, and he's done it within a pennant race.
He's no more responsible for the Yankees sucking since the ASB than Ohtani has been responsible for the Angels sucking ever since he got to L.A., so if the "it doesn't matter that the team sucks" standard is being invoked, why can't it be invoked for Judge as well?
I'm not gonna rip on Ohtani at all. He's marvelous and he's exciting and -- to use a far-overused term that actually does apply to him -- he really is a unicorn. But Judge is have a far better offensive year for a far better team, and IMHO that superiority helps overshadow what Ohtani has done in his 23 starts as a pitcher for a horrible team that hasn't "needed" to win since he's gotten there.
I'm actually surprised you'd disagree.
I don’t. Just tweaking you a bit.
Ohtani is the best player in baseball. Judge is MVP.
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Those distinctions are meaningless. I don’t know who is MVP, because that would require me to pay more attention to baseball than I want to, but 82 is doing the old sportswriter thing of giving it to the guy because he has better teammates.
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Those distinctions are meaningless. I don’t know who is MVP, because that would require me to pay more attention to baseball than I want to, but 82 is doing the old sportswriter thing of giving it to the guy because he has better teammates.
You don't pay attention to baseball, and you seemingly didn't read what I said in my posts today: Statistically, Judge is having a superior offensive season and is having a direct impact on his team's performance. But it's fine if you want to dial up a tired trope and run with it.
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White Sox back from the dead.
Meanwhile Minnesota Twin inches from being dead (https://twitter.com/AudacySports/status/1566810527409520641?s=20&t=HzCeFKt1LvCXm27FRg5A3w) (or at least having one hell of a headache).
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You don't pay attention to baseball, and you seemingly didn't read what I said in my posts today: Statistically, Judge is having a superior offensive season and is having a direct impact on his team's performance. But it's fine if you want to dial up a tired trope and run with it.
Irony.
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Irony.
Cool.
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The Brewers can’t string wins together. They blow leads seemingly every other night. Yet, they enter tomorrow only 2 GB, an easier schedule than Philadelphia and San Diego, and after Wednesday, 20 of their final 26 games at home.
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If not for Judge, the Yankees wouldn't have had a large lead to blow.
Additionally, since the season's midpoint, Judge has a 1.282 OPS, 20 HR, 45 RBI. Over the 4 weeks, it's 1.148, 10, 18. Over the last 2 weeks, it's 1.393, 7, 13. All are better than Ohtani's batting stats -- in some cases, significantly better -- during the same spans. Judge has kept going even when Stanton and other Yankees have been injured and opponents have tried to pitch around him, and he's done it within a pennant race.
He's no more responsible for the Yankees sucking since the ASB than Ohtani has been responsible for the Angels sucking ever since he got to L.A., so if the "it doesn't matter that the team sucks" standard is being invoked, why can't it be invoked for Judge as well?
I'm not gonna rip on Ohtani at all. He's marvelous and he's exciting and -- to use a far-overused term that actually does apply to him -- he really is a unicorn. But Judge is have a far better offensive year for a far better team, and IMHO that superiority helps overshadow what Ohtani has done in his 23 starts as a pitcher for a horrible team that hasn't "needed" to win since he's gotten there.
I'm actually surprised you'd disagree.
100%, Mike. Judge is the MVP.
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From NPR:
More than half of minor league ballplayers turned in union authorization cards, indicating they want to join the Major League Baseball Players Association, with better conditions and higher wages the top priorities.
Pay issues have plagued the minors for years, culminating in a $185 million payout in 2014 to players who argued pay dipped below minimum wage. While the average MLB salary is $4 million, most minor leaguers take home just $400-$700 a week — and only during the season.
“I definitely feel scared,” said Joe Hudson, a catcher at Triple-A Durham, “but this feels like the right thing to do.”
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From NPR:
More than half of minor league ballplayers turned in union authorization cards, indicating they want to join the Major League Baseball Players Association, with better conditions and higher wages the top priorities.
Pay issues have plagued the minors for years, culminating in a $185 million payout in 2014 to players who argued pay dipped below minimum wage. While the average MLB salary is $4 million, most minor leaguers take home just $400-$700 a week — and only during the season.
“I definitely feel scared,” said Joe Hudson, a catcher at Triple-A Durham, “but this feels like the right thing to do.”
I think the pay is unfair. But this will lead to a consolidation of leagues. I never got the need for all the levels of development leagues anyway. Perhaps the college game, including JUCOs, gets a boost, especially with NILs? This will be sad for small town minor league baseball.
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I think the pay is unfair. But this will lead to a consolidation of leagues. I never got the need for all the levels of development leagues anyway. Perhaps the college game, including JUCOs, gets a boost, especially with NILs? This will be sad for small town minor league baseball.
Didn't they already do a huge consolidation just a couple years ago? Can they do much more and still keep enough farm teams to develop players adequately?
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Right now, each organization has about 250 players in their system at any given time. MLB can most definitely afford to pay them more, but the organization knows that many of these guys aren't going to be worth the extra cost. I have no doubt that they hold on to many simply waiting to see if they come around - and they don't have to pay much to do that.
It seems to me that a better model would be to have about 170 guys in your system, but pay them better. Give them year round access to training and nutrition, but also require off season training sessions, etc. That probably means three levels of year round ball plus a rookie league team.
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Last night felt like a dagger of sorts for the 2022 Brewers. SD comes back from down 5 while the Brewers blow a 5 run lead.
Lots of games, their schedule is crazy easy the rest of the year, but every decision seems to backfire. One of those years.
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Didn't they already do a huge consolidation just a couple years ago? Can they do much more and still keep enough farm teams to develop players adequately?
Wiki actually has a solid recap of the structure and reorg. Congress resisted (baseball has their favored status). The structure is pretty dense imo for the return.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_League_Baseball
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Brew Crew =
hey?
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A reason to celebrate and be thankful in late November?
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A reason to celebrate and be thankful in late November?
Brewers fans always tune out every year when the Packers start anyway.
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Brewers must think season is over too. Down 7-0 in the 3rd.
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Tommy Watkins should literally be executed. That stupid fat piece of sh it makes Baldelli look competent.
It takes a special kind of stupid to send the runner in that situation. Im honestly at a loss.
This is why the Twins always lose to the Yankees. Get a real fu cking coach.
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Tommy Watkins should literally be executed. That stupid fat piece of sh it makes Baldelli look competent.
It takes a special kind of stupid to send the runner in that situation. Im honestly at a loss.
This is why the Twins always lose to the Yankees. Get a real fu cking coach.
A quick search of Tommy Watkins on Twitter is a delight
https://twitter.com/rcneuma2/status/1567634792379719681?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://twitter.com/ManiacsMidway/status/1567634469657481216?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Tommy Watkins should literally be executed. That stupid fat piece of sh it makes Baldelli look competent.
It takes a special kind of stupid to send the runner in that situation. Im honestly at a loss.
This is why the Twins always lose to the Yankees. Get a real fu cking coach.
Don't hold back, PGs. Tell us what you really think of him!
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Correa is also a bum.
Dude just cannot hit to save the life of his child whne the game is on the line.
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Correa is also a bum.
Dude just cannot hit to save the life of his child whne the game is on the line.
1st inning no one on double. 3rd inning solo homer.
Clockwork for this guy.
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1st inning no one on double. 3rd inning solo homer.
Clockwork for this guy.
I would take that game from just about any Brewers player any day. What is there to complain about there?
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I would take that game from just about any Brewers player any day. What is there to complain about there?
We are going to go 0-2 today instead of 1-1
And the season is over
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Also this
https://twitter.com/AaronGleeman/status/1567687621878468610
And this
https://twitter.com/iamnotsuspended/status/1567649955774611456
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We are going to go 0-2 today instead of 1-1
And the season is over
Well that's it then--literally execute every player on the team.
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Well that's it then--literally execute every player on the team.
Whose calling for the death of Correa?
And why would Arraez and Celestino literally get executed? They had key hits in extras. They did their job.
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Easier to shoot them all and let God sort em out
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Easier to shoot them all and let God sort em out
Honestly if that gets Wallner up with the big club and Garlick to stop batting against Cy Young canidate right handers.
You may be on to something.
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I am just not quite sure why we’re complaining about a performance that included a double and homer. Sounds like he did his job, too.
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I am just not quite sure why we’re complaining about a performance that included a double and homer. Sounds like he did his job, too.
33 million is for delivering in the moment, at least once or twice. Offensively he hasnt done that all year.
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Whose calling for the death of Correa?
And why would Arraez and Celestino literally get executed? They had key hits in extras. They did their job.
*facepalm*
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*facepalm*
Ill take that as you realized, no one is.
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I obviously don't want to trivialize La Russa's health concerns. I hope he comes away from whatever he's going through 100% healthy and that he has a quality life for decades more.
But ...
Could it really be only a coincidence that the White Sox are playing lights out since he's been gone?
One never knows what kind of stimulus a team needs until after it happens. Maybe a change in voice and direction was exactly what this team needed.
Or maybe La Russa's absence has nothing to do with it and this hot streak was bound to happen anyway -- though we'll never know about that.
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The inside story is bound to come out...and I don't think it will paint TLR in a favorable light.
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The inside story is bound to come out...and I don't think it will paint TLR in a favorable light.
And that inside story is?
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That he lost the team a long time ago
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And that inside story is?
I don't know. I didn't mean to imply that I did.
That he lost the team a long time ago
Most likely. And my guess is that it will show that he was either out of touch or had some processing issues.
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Feeling a 5-0 stretch for the Crew today through Sunday that will give fans false hope but end up being meaningless.
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And that inside story is?
chicos will tell us someday!
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Correa!!!!!!!!!!
Finally willed it into existence.
Can the bullpen hold at Ynkee stadium for once is the question now.
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Correa!!!!!!!!!!
Finally willed it into existence.
Can the bullpen hold at Ynkee stadium for once is the question now.
Barely. But the pen held it.
Season still probably shot.
But now at least have hope heading into the battle with Clev.
Bundy/Archer/TBA vs Quantrill/McKenzie/Bieber is minimal hope though.
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Pretty sweeping, dramatic rule changes approved.
I like every single change. Baseball has been slowing both the pace of play AND the amount of action on the field for years. I think these changes will help propel offensive action both in the hitting game and the running game.
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Pretty sweeping, dramatic rule changes approved.
I like every single change. Baseball has been slowing both the pace of play AND the amount of action on the field for years. I think these changes will help propel offensive action both in the hitting game and the running game.
Yep. All of them really seem like no brainers. Maybe people could gripe about the bigger bases, but the rest are home runs, no pun intended.
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Not sure I agree with banning the shift. Fully onboard with the rest. Should make for a far better viewing experience.
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The pitch clock is so long overdue. Other sports have something similar, so this makes perfect sense.
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Love the two main ones of the pitch clock and the shift.
Shift has to go for the good of the game.
And the pitch clock is simply needed for pacing.
Since the Twins pitching is constantly in disarray the one joy is watching how quickly guys we just called up from minors work(they have a pitch clock).
Varland in his debut the other day was constantly ready to throw the next pitch. The days of Berrios playing with his hat 5 times between every pitch and Archer passing around chewing bubble gum are going by bye.
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Gone to several minor league games with the pitch clock. You forget about it after a while and then realize it is the 7th inning stretch after an hour and 50 minutes.
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Huge fan of the pitch clock.
Neutral on the bigger bases.
Not a fan of banning the shift.
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Huge fan of the pitch clock.
Neutral on the bigger bases.
Not a fan of banning the shift.
What don’t you like about banning the shift?
I like that it will put an emphasis back on infield defense - especially up the middle. Baseball was always an inside to outside game on D. Catcher, SS, 2B, and CF.
Overall, the changes represent a nod to tradition plus modern upgrades, IMO.
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The only shifts I like are weirdo desperation shifts at the end of playoff games. How many outfielders do you dare put in the infield to try to cut down a runner at home on a groundball at the risk of a soft flyball down a foulline clearing the bases? Your standard "this dude can't be arsed to do anything but swing dead pull so why not stack the left side of the infield because there's 0 downside risk to doing so, hell " is less fun to watch.
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What don’t you like about banning the shift?
I don't like banning a within the rules strategy just because it's effective. I'd rather it be addressed by teaching batters how to hit against the shift
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I don't like banning a within the rules strategy just because it's effective. I'd rather it be addressed by teaching batters how to hit against the shift
Super easy to tell guys to stop hitting the way they have hit their entire lives at every level growing up.
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Yeah, I think "learning how to hit against the shift" is a lot harder than people think it is.
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Yeah, I think "learning how to hit against the shift" is a lot harder than people think it is.
Teams will gladly trade singles against the shift versus power hits to the natural side. There have been endless studies about the effectiveness of turning power hitters into singles hitters. It’s a winning trade. On top of that, hitters actually have better averages/power hitting into a shift by forcing them to elevate the baseball. There’s a great article out there about Daniel Murphy and hitting into the shift instead of slapping against it. It’s counterintuitive but quite convincing stuff.
We think the shift is new but baseball has done it for years but instead of saving it for one or two hitters, it’s all hitters now
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I don't like banning a within the rules strategy just because it's effective. I'd rather it be addressed by teaching batters how to hit against the shift
Ted Williams wouldn’t hit to LF when he faced the shift and he was probably the greatest ball striker in baseball history.
I wish lefties would bunt every time against the shift. Automatic singles. Won’t ever happen.
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The only shifts I like are weirdo desperation shifts at the end of playoff games. How many outfielders do you dare put in the infield to try to cut down a runner at home on a groundball at the risk of a soft flyball down a foulline clearing the bases? Your standard "this dude can't be arsed to do anything but swing dead pull so why not stack the left side of the infield because there's 0 downside risk to doing so, hell " is less fun to watch.
That would still be allowed under the new rule.
I do wonder if we will see more bunting by the speedsters though, since the 3rd baseman can’t play in on the grass against a fast guy.
Will also be interesting to see which managers use these new rules the best.
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Ted Williams wouldn’t hit to LF when he faced the shift and he was probably the greatest ball striker in baseball history.
I wish lefties would bunt every time against the shift. Automatic singles. Won’t ever happen.
I was just thinking how many more hits Williams would have had under no-shift rules. Answer: Lots!
As for your wish … I remember Kent Hrbek bunting against the shift at least a couple times, once for a double.
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I was just thinking how many more hits Williams would have had under no-shift rules. Answer: Lots!
As for your wish … I remember Kent Hrbek bunting against the shift at least a couple times, once for a double.
Take a look at how much Ted Williams walked once. It’s incredible. Shift or no shift, greatest hitter ever
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Super easy to tell guys to stop hitting the way they have hit their entire lives at every level growing up.
Yeah, I think "learning how to hit against the shift" is a lot harder than people think it is.
Never meant to imply that it wasn't hard but it can be done. Given time, hitters would eventually learn how to punish the shift and it wouldn't be used as much.
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Take a look at how much Ted Williams walked once. It’s incredible. Shift or no shift, greatest hitter ever
No, I'm sorry, this is wrong: Ted did not play for St. Louis.
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No, I'm sorry, this is wrong: Ted did not play for St. Louis.
Even in the 40s, Yadi was the man that Ted tried to emulate.
Interesting side note: Ted had to hide his Mexican heritage because he worried he would not be allowed to play in the Majors if people found out.
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No, I'm sorry, this is wrong: Ted did not play for St. Louis.
No, he was served in WWII honorably, so he wasn’t Cardinals material like Stan the Usual
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It's the St. Louis Stars tonight. (1906-1931)
https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/1568349389827244032?t=HBMTfslB1kxsCIVReQBYMQ&s=19
So you'll need Cool Papa Bell, Willie Wells and Mules Suttles references.
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Never meant to imply that it wasn't hard but it can be done. Given time, hitters would eventually learn how to punish the shift and it wouldn't be used as much.
For some yeah definitely. But not all these guys are really gifted with the bat. I mean look at K rates these days with the type of stuff pitchers have.
All these guys grew up and advanced to the MLB developing a few skill sets to become major leaguers. I just dont think its realistic to think most of these guys can go from .240 high strike out pull ball mashers to using hte whole field.
Thats why Joe Mauer was a beauty to watch at a time when he was mocked for slap hitting singles. Not everyone can be Joe Mauer.
And certainly not everyone can be Mike Trout where you can use the whole field and have power.
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I know bigger bases are there to prevent injuries, but a lot of hits this season that are bang/bang plays are going to be outs next year.
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It's the St. Louis Stars tonight. (1906-1931)
https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/1568349389827244032?t=HBMTfslB1kxsCIVReQBYMQ&s=19
So you'll need Cool Papa Bell, Willie Wells and Mules Suttles references.
Cardinals fans aren’t going to like this at all. Lots of El Camino’s will be leaving the stadium early when they see What is being celebrated
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I know bigger bases are there to prevent injuries, but a lot of hits this season that are bang/bang plays are going to be outs next year.
Wouldn’t bigger bases - which shorten the baselines by several inches - be more likely to help baserunners, Dish?
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Wouldn’t bigger bases - which shorten the baselines by several inches - be more likely to help baserunners, Dish?
You may be correct.
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Needs to be said, the manager and the (not well liked in the locker room) starting SS both go away, and the White Sox become The Undertaker.
It’s not a coincidence.
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Needs to be said, the manager and the (not well liked in the locker room) starting SS both go away, and the White Sox become The Undertaker.
It’s not a coincidence.
What’s your source on Anderson?
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What’s your source on Anderson?
My friends who work in the Sox front office.
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Needs to be said, the manager and the (not well liked in the locker room) starting SS both go away, and the White Sox become The Undertaker.
It’s not a coincidence.
Yeah, I said as much (at least about the manager) a couple days ago. It's a sensitive subject because I really don't wish anything bad for TLR -- obviously want him to have a long, healthy life from here on out. But it can't be a coincidence. And thanks for bringing in the Anderson part of it. That makes sense, too.
If they keep playing well, would you like to see Cairo given a shot to manage the team next season?
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That would still be allowed under the new rule.
I do wonder if we will see more bunting by the speedsters though, since the 3rd baseman can’t play in on the grass against a fast guy.
Will also be interesting to see which managers use these new rules the best.
Infielders can still play in on the grass, just can't be back in the outfield.
Just like little league.
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My friends who work in the Sox front office.
Gotcha. Hope it’s just a product of them sucking
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Infielders can still play in on the grass, just can't be back in the outfield.
Just like little league.
The banning of defensive shifts, which were once a fringe strategy but have become normal occurrence and the bane of left-handed hitters, is among the more extreme versions, preventing defensive player movement in multiple directions. With all four infielders needing to be on the dirt, the days of the four-outfielder setup will be over.
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The banning of defensive shifts, which were once a fringe strategy but have become normal occurrence and the bane of left-handed hitters, is among the more extreme versions, preventing defensive player movement in multiple directions. With all four infielders needing to be on the dirt, the days of the four-outfielder setup will be over.
This rule does not preclude a team from positioning an outfielder in the infield or in the shallow outfield grass in certain situations. But it does prohibit four-outfielder alignments.
Mlb.com
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What a beautiful Saturday of college football.
https://www.southbendtribune.com/story/sports/football/2022/09/11/notre-dame-football-suddenly-reeling-irish-wonder-whats-next/67209949007/
Eating their young again.
Edit….oops, meant for CFB thread.
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What a beautiful Saturday of college football.
https://www.southbendtribune.com/story/sports/football/2022/09/11/notre-dame-football-suddenly-reeling-irish-wonder-whats-next/67209949007/
Eating their young again.
Man talk about over the top. I mean I understand the concerns, and I think it’s going to be way harder to replicate Kelly’s success than people think. But that’s nuts.
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Man talk about over the top. I mean I understand the concerns, and I think it’s going to be way harder to replicate Kelly’s success than people think. But that’s nuts.
Yep. Typical ND douchebaggieness.
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697
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697
Helping the team win games. Doing his part for the team.
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That’s a brutal weekend for the Twins.
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Second week of Sept, with lots of close races for playoff spots, and ESPN chooses Giants and Cubs?
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Do they have much choice? I think these are set well in advance due to the scheduling issues with Sunday night games.
And they are scheduling teams with fan bases that will watch. Plus it’s not that the Giants were bad last year.
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Do they have much choice? I think these are set well in advance due to the scheduling issues with Sunday night games.
And they are scheduling teams with fan bases that will watch. Plus it’s not that the Giants were bad last year.
I really don’t know what they are allowed to do.
I seem to remember in the past TV having some control at this time of year - kind of the way NFL Sunday night games in Dec can be altered to feature big games. But I certainly might be misremembering.
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You are correct. They do have an ability to flex games in September, but choices are limited based on travel requirements for the teams in action
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You are correct. They do have an ability to flex games in September, but choices are limited based on travel requirements for the teams in action
Good point, Sultan. NFL teams don't have games the next day, whereas MLB teams do.
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Please indulge a mini-rant about ticketing practices:
I'm heading to my first Guardians game of the year tomorrow evening with my daughter. I've been meaning to get to a game and I'd like to see Ohtani play (disappointed he's not pitching in Cleveland). Anyway, there is a section that has five seats in the front row. Two are already sold and I'd like to get two of the others. They won't sell them to me because I'd leave a single ticket stranded. It's a Tuesday evening game and there are probably 20-25,000 tickets available. In the section I'm wanting, 155 of the 205 seats are available. And I can't buy two vacant front row seats because it will leave one seat open. Are you f'ing kidding me?! I'm going to buy two nearby seats and just sit in the seats that I wanted to buy. Also, in case you're wondering, all the seats in the section are the same price.
Stupid.
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Please indulge a mini-rant about ticketing practices:
I'm heading to my first Guardians game of the year tomorrow evening with my daughter. I've been meaning to get to a game and I'd like to see Ohtani play (disappointed he's not pitching in Cleveland). Anyway, there is a section that has five seats in the front row. Two are already sold and I'd like to get two of the others. They won't sell them to me because I'd leave a single ticket stranded. It's a Tuesday evening game and there are probably 20-25,000 tickets available. In the section I'm wanting, 155 of the 205 seats are available. And I can't buy two vacant front row seats because it will leave one seat open. Are you f'ing kidding me?! I'm going to buy two nearby seats and just sit in the seats that I wanted to buy. Also, in case you're wondering, all the seats in the section are the same price.
Stupid.
Agree that it's stupid. And agree that you should just sit in the seats you want if they're open when you get there. Have fun!
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Please indulge a mini-rant about ticketing practices:
I'm heading to my first Guardians game of the year tomorrow evening with my daughter. I've been meaning to get to a game and I'd like to see Ohtani play (disappointed he's not pitching in Cleveland). Anyway, there is a section that has five seats in the front row. Two are already sold and I'd like to get two of the others. They won't sell them to me because I'd leave a single ticket stranded. It's a Tuesday evening game and there are probably 20-25,000 tickets available. In the section I'm wanting, 155 of the 205 seats are available. And I can't buy two vacant front row seats because it will leave one seat open. Are you f'ing kidding me?! I'm going to buy two nearby seats and just sit in the seats that I wanted to buy. Also, in case you're wondering, all the seats in the section are the same price.
Stupid.
Common thing in sports to not leave singles. It is stupid when its clearly not gonna be close to a sell out but it always happens whether its through the teams or online ticketing sites.
Luckily with baseball as you mentioned, you can just sit whereever you want. I buy the cheapest ticket possible for Twins games all the time and then just go where I please since they are always wide open.
Cant do the same for Vikes/Wild.
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I know what constitutes an MVP in baseball is something that really gets some like MU82 going.
That said, MVP or not. Mike Trout is still the best player in the game.
7 straight games with a homer. Dude is insane.
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The gentlemanly thing to do is simply purchase all 3 seats and use the 2 desired for your personal use. Either donate the other to a homeless dude or place your personal belongings there for more comfort while viewing the game, hey?
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I know what constitutes an MVP in baseball is something that really gets some like MU82 going.
That said, MVP or not. Mike Trout is still the best player in the game.
7 straight games with a homer. Dude is insane.
I think they should give Trout MVP for both leagues this season.
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I think they should give Trout MVP for both leagues this season.
Dale Long hit HRs in 8 straight games. He should get the MVP posthumously.
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Dale Long hit HRs in 8 straight games. He should get the MVP posthumously.
He wasn’t on the Angels.
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Please indulge a mini-rant about ticketing practices:
I'm heading to my first Guardians game of the year tomorrow evening with my daughter. I've been meaning to get to a game and I'd like to see Ohtani play (disappointed he's not pitching in Cleveland). Anyway, there is a section that has five seats in the front row. Two are already sold and I'd like to get two of the others. They won't sell them to me because I'd leave a single ticket stranded. It's a Tuesday evening game and there are probably 20-25,000 tickets available. In the section I'm wanting, 155 of the 205 seats are available. And I can't buy two vacant front row seats because it will leave one seat open. Are you f'ing kidding me?! I'm going to buy two nearby seats and just sit in the seats that I wanted to buy. Also, in case you're wondering, all the seats in the section are the same price.
Stupid.
Can you call the ticket office? Assuming you are trying to buy online.
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Please indulge a mini-rant about ticketing practices:
I'm heading to my first Guardians game of the year tomorrow evening with my daughter. I've been meaning to get to a game and I'd like to see Ohtani play (disappointed he's not pitching in Cleveland). Anyway, there is a section that has five seats in the front row. Two are already sold and I'd like to get two of the others. They won't sell them to me because I'd leave a single ticket stranded. It's a Tuesday evening game and there are probably 20-25,000 tickets available. In the section I'm wanting, 155 of the 205 seats are available. And I can't buy two vacant front row seats because it will leave one seat open. Are you f'ing kidding me?! I'm going to buy two nearby seats and just sit in the seats that I wanted to buy. Also, in case you're wondering, all the seats in the section are the same price.
Stupid.
It's the same thing for concerts. And yet when I go back a few weeks later to check in on tickets there are singles everywhere.
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In the only home run race anyone cares about, Aaron Judge hit two today and is four away from tying the AL record. Hope he can do it, doesn’t seem like that bad if a guy.
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In the only home run race anyone cares about, Aaron Judge hit two today and is four away from tying the AL record. Hope he can do it, doesn’t seem like that bad if a guy.
Meh. His 57 HR, 123 RBI and 1.106 OPS would be a lot more impressive if he weren't helping a team get into first place and stay in first place.
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Meh. His 57 HR, 123 RBI and 1.106 OPS would be a lot more impressive if he weren't helping a team get into first place and stay in first place.
The Yankees are 22-28 in the 2nd half.
Judge has a 1.295 OPS in that same timeframe.
He’s a deserving MVP, but it highlights why people don’t care about Trout’s team sucking. Judge has been great. Yankees have been bad. It happens and it’s certainly not his fault.
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That said, MVP or not. Mike Trout is still the best player in the game.
7 straight games with a homer. Dude is insane.
Gotta admit that once the Guardians broke the tie last night and had a two-run lead, I was rooting for Trout to hit a solo shot.
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The Yankees are 22-28 in the 2nd half.
Judge has a 1.295 OPS in that same timeframe.
He’s a deserving MVP, but it highlights why people don’t care about Trout’s team sucking. Judge has been great. Yankees have been bad. It happens and it’s certainly not his fault.
During that 22-28 second half, Judge has personally won at least 3 games with late heroics (that I know of, maybe there were others). So with a "regular" player instead of Judge, the Yankees would be 19-31 -- and that's just thanks to his late-game heroics, not to the many other things he's done early in games they won that helped them build leads. And he has to do all that in the crucible of a pennant race, not just for funsies for an also-ran team.
I really do get a lot of the arguments for Ohtani; he's a hell of a player -- and a pitcher too! I really do. But I don't get why some folks dismiss the importance of performing in pressure-filled situations.
There was a game last week in which Judge hit a tying HR in the 6th and then scored the winning run after having drawn a walk and advanced to third on an aggressive baserunning play. It was a crucial win, as the Yankees had been flailing and the Rays had closed ground. That same night, Ohtani homered twice. The second came late in the game to give the Angels a 9-0 lead; he swung for the fences, completely without pressure, and he connected. So, statistically, Ohtani had the "better" night ... but was what Ohtani did as "valuable" as what Judge did? I'm guessing some would say yes -- or that it was even more "valuable."
I happen to think Judge's night last week brought more value to his team than Ohtani's night brought to his; and that season-long, Judge is a pretty easy choice for MVP. Just a difference of opinion with those who disagree, that's all.
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I can't find it at the moment, but I saw a graphic the other day. Ohtani was leading the Angels in literally every major stat. Average/HR (until Trout went crazy the last few weeks), RBIs, 2B/3B/hits, OBP.
He also leads them in Wins, ERA, SOs, and IP. He's having a great year at the plate but his WAR as a pitcher is actually even higher.
The fact that Ohtani is top 10 in SOs league wide, despite pitching 25-30 innings less than the other leaders, is crazy enough. But the fact that he is not far off the AL lead in wins, despite being on a terrible team, is also nuts.
Ohtani is having an MVP discussion year as a hitter...while being an All Star caliber pitcher. That is absolutely preposterous regardless of how good the rest of his team is.
Its also amusing to try and use Judge's team success as a bonus for him when they've been terrible the last few months. Feels like Yankee lovers ignoring Jeter being a terrible defensive SS cause of "The Flip" or his dumb fall into the stands catch. Over weighting individual moments.
I'm not trying to crap on Judge or somehow imply he's not a worthy MVP. If he wins I won't be bothered. But saying he's an easy choice for MVP, implying its a no brainer just feels like "best player on one of the best teams" cop outs. If he gets 62, I feel like he would win even if Ohtani won 20 games and hit .320 with 40 HRs himself.
I'll go even a step further with hot takes. Judge hasn't even been the best hitter in baseball this year, Freeman has.
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I'll go even a step further with hot takes. Judge hasn't even been the best hitter in baseball this year, Freeman has.
I am surprised the Cards fans aren't at your door with pitchforks screaming Paul Goldschmidt's name
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I am surprised the Cards fans aren't at your door with pitchforks screaming Paul Goldschmidt's name
Meth inhibits their motivation
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I am surprised the Cards fans aren't at your door with pitchforks screaming Paul Goldschmidt's name
They’re busy. Some are at sold out Busch Stadium on a Wednesday mid September school night.
It’s 325 day.
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They’re busy. Some are at sold out Busch Stadium on a Wednesday mid September school night.
It’s 325 day.
I'll bite. What's 325 day?
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I'll bite. What's 325 day?
325 Day is the day Wainwright and Molina break the all time Battery record of 324 games.
https://twitter.com/ackerman1120/status/1570015756276101121?s=21&t=4JQrdbNen3pTeNbzenCkRw
Here’s a little bonus Big island fist bump with Big City last night as a throw in:
https://twitter.com/koltenwong/status/1569920177604550656?s=21&t=4JQrdbNen3pTeNbzenCkRw
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Albert Pujols filed for divorce just days after his wife had undergone brain surgery. Plus he's a right winger.
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2200.
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I can't find it at the moment, but I saw a graphic the other day. Ohtani was leading the Angels in literally every major stat. Average/HR (until Trout went crazy the last few weeks), RBIs, 2B/3B/hits, OBP.
He also leads them in Wins, ERA, SOs, and IP. He's having a great year at the plate but his WAR as a pitcher is actually even higher.
The fact that Ohtani is top 10 in SOs league wide, despite pitching 25-30 innings less than the other leaders, is crazy enough. But the fact that he is not far off the AL lead in wins, despite being on a terrible team, is also nuts.
Ohtani is having an MVP discussion year as a hitter...while being an All Star caliber pitcher. That is absolutely preposterous regardless of how good the rest of his team is.
Its also amusing to try and use Judge's team success as a bonus for him when they've been terrible the last few months. Feels like Yankee lovers ignoring Jeter being a terrible defensive SS cause of "The Flip" or his dumb fall into the stands catch. Over weighting individual moments.
I'm not trying to crap on Judge or somehow imply he's not a worthy MVP. If he wins I won't be bothered. But saying he's an easy choice for MVP, implying its a no brainer just feels like "best player on one of the best teams" cop outs. If he gets 62, I feel like he would win even if Ohtani won 20 games and hit .320 with 40 HRs himself.
I'll go even a step further with hot takes. Judge hasn't even been the best hitter in baseball this year, Freeman has.
I’m not a “Yankee lover.”
For me, it would be easy to choose Judge as AL MVP for all the reasons I’ve already stated. You disagree. That’s cool.
You think Freeman’s been a better hitter. That’s cool. Frankly, I haven’t even thought about it.
McGwire hit 70 in 1998 and didn’t win MVP. Nor should he have IMHO.
Ohtani is having another incredible season. What a great and wonderfully unique athlete. If he wins MVP I won’t be bothered. It wouldn’t affect me one iota. I’d just think the voters got it wrong, and I’d get on with my life.
Have a nice night.
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They’re busy. Some are at sold out Busch Stadium on a Wednesday mid September school night.
It’s 325 day.
Sure seeing a lot of empty seats for a sell out. Maybe they all just went to the bathroom at the same time.
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Sure seeing a lot of empty seats for a sell out. Maybe they all just went to the bathroom at the same time.
22nd sell out of the season. (46,459)
First pitch:
https://twitter.com/theathletic/status/1570209621796585473?s=21&t=MR2DL1k9x5Xol4kt-Tx3wA
Arenado’s HR in the 2nd:
https://twitter.com/ackerman1120/status/1570395226216484864?s=21&t=MR2DL1k9x5Xol4kt-Tx3wA
Again on Nootbaar’s HR in the 5th.
https://twitter.com/mlbhrvideos/status/1570226221891330049?s=21&t=MR2DL1k9x5Xol4kt-Tx3wA
Here are the attendance figures for all of MLB the past 20 years plus:
http://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance
Perhaps you were watching the White Sox game?
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22nd sell out of the season. (46,459)
First pitch:
https://twitter.com/theathletic/status/1570209621796585473?s=21&t=MR2DL1k9x5Xol4kt-Tx3wA
Arenado’s HR in the 2nd:
https://twitter.com/ackerman1120/status/1570395226216484864?s=21&t=MR2DL1k9x5Xol4kt-Tx3wA
Again on Nootbaar’s HR in the 5th.
https://twitter.com/mlbhrvideos/status/1570226221891330049?s=21&t=MR2DL1k9x5Xol4kt-Tx3wA
Here are the attendance figures for all of MLB the past 20 years plus:
http://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance
Perhaps you were watching the White Sox game?
ok? None of those angles showed the upper deck. Lotta consistent no shows who purchased tickets based on those numbers it seems. Not a good look.
Source is the Cardinals writer. https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1570201362964647938
Whatever, I regret even bringing it up because I jump started the self fellating
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Albert Pujols filed for divorce just days after his wife had undergone brain surgery. Plus he's a right winger.
I hope she recovers but she was a mouthy pain in the backside.
Why do I care if Pujols is a right-winger? I don't care if he's so woke, he makes MU82 look like Ronald Reagan, so long as he hits home runs and helps lead our beloved future world champions to victory.
What he does in his spare time, as long as its legal, is his business.
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ok? None of those angles showed the upper deck. Lotta consistent no shows who purchased tickets based on those numbers it seems. Not a good look.
Source is the Cardinals writer. https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1570201362964647938
Whatever, I regret even bringing it up because I jump started the self fellating
Lol. You’re trying way too hard. That’s funny.
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ok? None of those angles showed the upper deck. Lotta consistent no shows who purchased tickets based on those numbers it seems. Not a good look.
Source is the Cardinals writer. https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1570201362964647938
Whatever, I regret even bringing it up because I jump started the self fellating
The no-shows (or is it noshows JB?) are probably all student STH at MU.
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Lol. You’re trying way too hard. That’s funny.
You're projecting
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You're projecting
I don’t think you understand what psychological projections means.
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Lol. You’re trying way too hard. That’s funny.
You are telling someone else that they are trying too hard in the MLB thread? Talk about funny...
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"The game was a sellout"
"Lot of empty seats for a sellout"...attaches picture with very clear empty sections
"Lol you're trying too hard, something something arrogant"
:o
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Perfect trifecta of White Sox, Brewers, and Cubs, right on cue.
Well done.
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Perfect trifecta of White Sox, Brewers, and Cubs, right on cue.
Well done.
The White Sox would care about the Cardinals because...?
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Why do I care if Pujols is a right-winger? I don't care if he's so woke, he makes MU82 look like Ronald Reagan, so long as he hits home runs and helps lead our beloved future world champions to victory.
What he does in his spare time, as long as its legal, is his business.
Of course you don’t care. Nobody should. But since the lefties officially designated those to their right semi fascists, enemies of the state and existential threats to democracy - they do.
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Perfect trifecta of White Sox, Brewers, and Cubs, right on cue.
Well done.
Be more of a victim. And a consistently pompous fountain of delusional who thinks he's the only one blissfully free of bias.
Excuse me, I need to go tear my clothes and gnash my teeth wailing cause I'm so terribly bothered that Wainwright and Yadi got #325.
Of course you don’t care. Nobody should. But since the lefties officially designated those to their right semi fascists, enemies of the state and existential threats to democracy - they do.
Come on Lenny, be better man.
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Gee I don’t know guys. Derrick Goold is pretty well respected as being an impartial observer. But sure.
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"The game was a sellout"
"Lot of empty seats for a sellout"...attaches picture with very clear empty sections
"Lol you're trying too hard, something something arrogant"
:o
Lot of them get caught by the feds coming to the game for their involvement in January 6th, so they don’t make it to their seats
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Normally when I accuse someone of trying too hard I don't get extremely defensive about their point.
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Normally when I accuse someone of trying too hard I don't get extremely defensive about their point.
You’d have to have a point first. I laughed because your reaction to Derrick Goold tweet was funny.
I think the shut out loss in front of 16,654 home fans is the real source of your angst. A lot of season left.
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"I'm not mad, I'm actually laughing."
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I really don't think you can blame Caridnals fans for not packing the house. So many of them lost their life's savings and their jobs over the last couple of years.
That vacation to DC in January 2021 had a lot of hidden costs.
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"I'm not mad, I'm actually laughing."
See, now that’s a good example of psychological projection. (as was your Derrick Goold post) But hey, go after Derrick all you want. He’s. nice guy. I’m sure he’d talk with you.
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Come on Lenny, be better man.
I’m tryin’, Wags - I know I shouldn’t be so easily triggered.
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(https://assets.cubsinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/09145333/morans1-e1435205247281.jpg)
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I don't care if he's so woke, he makes MU82 look like Ronald Reagan.
I voted for Ronald Reagan. Bush Sr., too. Both would be classified as RINOs today.
But thanks for the mention.
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Powerful future world champs Birds On The Bat lose a tough one to the mighty Redlegs- in their own ballpark. Stymied by Cy Young candidate Chase Anderson.
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Of course you don’t care. Nobody should. But since the lefties officially designated those to their right semi fascists, enemies of the state and existential threats to democracy - they do.
Yeah find a new hobby.
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It's no surprise that the Dodgers are leading in attendance as Dodger stadium can seat about 55,000. The Yanks, even though they have performed poorly the last two months to my amazement, always draw well. The stadium is not an easy commute by car, parking is a premium and taking the subway these days is not so safe; yet Yankee fans always feel their team will play in the post season and winning the the WS is never out of the question despite the 13 year drought. Looks like #28 can actually happen this year. We shall see.
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It's no surprise that the Dodgers are leading in attendance as Dodger stadium can seat about 55,000. The Yanks, even though they have performed poorly the last two months to my amazement, always draw well. The stadium is not an easy commute by car, parking is a premium and taking the subway these days is not so safe; yet Yankee fans always feel their team will play in the post season and winning the the WS is never out of the question despite the 13 year drought. Looks like #28 can actually happen this year. We shall see.
“The subway is still undeniably safe — most of the time. According to police statistics, the same number of deaths had been recorded by this time last year. Major felony crime on buses and subways represents just 2 percent of overall city crime, the same level as before the pandemic”
The Yankees are super banged up. Hopefully the Brewers can take advantage.
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taking the subway these days is not so safe;
Riding the D train or the 4 to Yankee Stadium surrounded by a car full of baseball fans, is about as safe as it gets.
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Rocco Baldelli is going to go down is the worst manager in MLB history
Yet another Twins starter cruising(Ober been ramping up in his rehab starts and was said to not be on a limit) and gets pulled after 5.
This is 1 day after our bullpen had to pitch 5 innings last night.
He goes to Fulmer/Thielbar/Jax/Duran. All of whom pitched last night. With Duran throwing like 20 pitches.
Keep in mind even if this works and they win. We play a doubleheader tomorrow with Cleveland and also Sunday and Monday
The guy is world class stupid. Clevelands starter goes 2 more innings even though he allowed 3 more runs. Been a trend all year and hasnt worked..........all year.
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Rocco Baldelli is going to go down is the worst manager in MLB history
Yet another Twins starter cruising(Ober been ramping up in his rehab starts and was said to not be on a limit) and gets pulled after 5.
This is 1 day after our bullpen had to pitch 5 innings last night.
He goes to Fulmer/Thielbar/Jax/Duran. All of whom pitched last night. With Duran throwing like 20 pitches.
Keep in mind even if this works and they win. We play a doubleheader tomorrow with Cleveland and also Sunday and Monday
The guy is world class stupid. Clevelands starter goes 2 more innings even though he allowed 3 more runs. Been a trend all year and hasnt worked..........all year.
Do you think the worst manager in MLB history will be back next season, or is there a big drive to dump him?
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Do you think the worst manager in MLB history will be back next season, or is there a big drive to dump him?
Oh hes gone. 100%.
Even though hes Falvey and Lavine puppet, they are also going to face the heat to prove their hype. No chance Rocco stays.
His contract also isnt something to let you take the cheap route and keep him either. Hes not locked in long term.
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Oh hes gone. 100%.
Even though hes Falvey and Lavine puppet, they are also going to face the heat to prove their hype. No chance Rocco stays.
His contract also isnt something to let you take the cheap route and keep him either. Hes not locked in long term.
Congrats?
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698
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Will Judge break Maris' record? The way he is hitting I think so.
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I don’t get why people are pitching to Judge. Seems like every game he’s getting hanging curves or sliders that he rightfully pounds.
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Will Judge break Maris' record? The way he is hitting I think so.
Hes a lock to break it.
Im more curious where he ends up. If he can get to 65+
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Will Judge break Maris' record?
Maybe by Wednesday.
I don’t get why people are pitching to Judge. Seems like every game he’s getting hanging curves or sliders that he rightfully pounds.
He only hits the easy HRs?
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“The subway is still undeniably safe — most of the time. According to police statistics, the same number of deaths had been recorded by this time last year. Major felony crime on buses and subways represents just 2 percent of overall city crime, the same level as before the pandemic”
The Yankees are super banged up. Hopefully the Brewers can take advantage.
Really, only going with the most serious crime to make a point? Well, murders are down…from 3 to 2. Other than that…
https://nypost.com/2022/04/16/nyc-subway-crime-skyrocketing-with-robberies-up-72/
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Really, only going with the most serious crime to make a point? Well, murders are down…from 3 to 2. Other than that…
https://nypost.com/2022/04/16/nyc-subway-crime-skyrocketing-with-robberies-up-72/
Rates are up from the past two years when there were far less riders due to COVID. Rates are still significantly lower than they were in the 80s, 90s and 00s and lower than the 2010s as well.
Anyways, hope the Brewers can keep wining games and keep things interesting.
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Really, only going with the most serious crime to make a point? Well, murders are down…from 3 to 2. Other than that…
https://nypost.com/2022/04/16/nyc-subway-crime-skyrocketing-with-robberies-up-72/
Would not cite the Post to report on any kind of serious survey. They can't even link to the survey that they are talking about. In any event there were a lot less folks ring the trains during the pandemic year 2021 than now so it stands to reason that there will be increased crime.
The Post is good for a few laughs but don't take it seriously.
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The Post is good for a few laughs but don't take it seriously.
Most famous Post headline ever:
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/06/111301frontpage.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=300)
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The Subway is safe. And it is most certainly safe to and from a ball game. I can't remember a time over many years when I haven't felt safe riding it. It can get a little quiet in certain areas during odd hours and locations. That's about it. Safe from rats? Can't help you with that.
If it makes one feel any better all 6,455 Subway Cars will be getting 2 security cameras each. ($6 million)
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Maury Wills RIP
https://nypost.com/2022/09/20/maury-wills-base-stealing-dodgers-great-dead-at-89/
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Stole home for the final time.
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60 for Judge.
Count me in the camp that finds it absolutely comical MLB is allowing the possibility he goes for 62(or even 61) on Appletv Friday.
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https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1572410822718263298?t=UMkUI7vQVLDS06Z-9229Vw&s=01
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60 for Judge.
So do we assume that Judge is “clean,” and that he is about to become the all-time, non-roided HR king?
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So do we assume that Judge is “clean,” and that he is about to become the all-time, non-roided HR king?
I do.
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So do we assume that Judge is “clean,” and that he is about to become the all-time, non-roided HR king?
If any power hitter is, its him right? He's an absolute monster.
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I do.
I want to believe it too, Lenny.
Judge is on the precipice of having a 65+ HR season, possibly as part of a Triple Crown performance, as well as being the unquestioned leader of a division winner. It's really one of the most remarkable offensive seasons in history. Truly uncharted territory. I sure hope he doesn't make fans like you and me regret being awed by those accomplishments with revelations that surface down the line.
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Giving up 7 runs on 4 hits is a great way to play yourself out of a playoff appearance
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Sox loss tonight is a 3 game swing.
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Sox loss tonight is a 3 game swing.
Cleveland was victimized by a terrible call at the plate that robbed them of the go-ahead run in the 7th inning; they were out of challenges so the call stood.
And yet they still won in 11 innings and now have a 5-game lead with 14 to play.
Bad calls happen. Bad calls suck. Teams have many opportunities to overcome bad calls, and good teams do.
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Cleveland was victimized by a terrible call at the plate that robbed them of the go-ahead run in the 7th inning; they were out of challenges so the call stood.
And yet they still won in 11 innings and now have a 5-game lead with 14 to play.
Bad calls happen. Bad calls suck. Teams have many opportunities to overcome bad calls, and good teams do.
In reality, it is a 6 game lead. The win gave the season series to Cleveland. With no playoffs for ties, the Sox have to finish a game ahead of Cleveland to get in the playoffs.
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60 for Judge.
Count me in the camp that finds it absolutely comical MLB is allowing the possibility he goes for 62(or even 61) on Appletv Friday.
But he’s not going for a record on Friday. He’d still be short.
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So do we assume that Judge is “clean,” and that he is about to become the all-time, non-roided HR king?
He doesn’t play for the Cardinals, so it’s more likely he’s clean
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I want to believe it too, Lenny.
Judge is on the precipice of having a 65+ HR season, possibly as part of a Triple Crown performance, as well as being the unquestioned leader of a division winner. It's really one of the most remarkable offensive seasons in history. Truly uncharted territory. I sure hope he doesn't make fans like you and me regret being awed by those accomplishments with revelations that surface down the line.
So will he be playing for the Yankees next season? How many free agents have stellar seasons only to under perform after they get the big payday.
Yes, I am a Yankee fan. This season and his rookie season have been the only two seasons of note for Judge and has been on the DL, some for long stretches in past seasons. So I am wondering if he is worth signing by the Yanks or any other team for that matter if he demands a big contract.
I know everyone in the New York area loves the season this guy is having, but will it translate to long term success is my question.
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The Guardians are a lot of fun to watch. Obviously, winning is more fun to watch than losing. After going to my first game of the season last Tuesday, we caught our second game on Friday. It's fun because I honestly had no idea that my 23-year old daughter loves baseball. It's even got me thinking about picking up a 20-game plan for next season.
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The GuarIndians are a lot of fun to watch. Obviously, winning is more fun to watch than losing. After going to my first game of the season last Tuesday, we caught our second game on Friday. It's fun because I honestly had no idea that my 23-year old daughter loves baseball. It's even got me thinking about picking up a 20-game plan for next season.
There fixed it for you.
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So will he be playing for the Yankees next season? How many free agents have stellar seasons only to under perform after they get the big payday.
Yes, I am a Yankee fan. This season and his rookie season have been the only two seasons of note for Judge and has been on the DL, some for long stretches in past seasons. So I am wondering if he is worth signing by the Yanks or any other team for that matter if he demands a big contract.
I know everyone in the New York area loves the season this guy is having, but will it translate to long term success is my question.
When he has been healthy, he has been a major impact player. But no, we can't predict the future with 100% certainty. Judge bet on himself this season and won.
There fixed it for you.
Change is very difficult and threatening for some, but you'll survive this one.
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But he’s not going for a record on Friday. He’d still be short.
Incorrect.
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If MLB says the record is 73, the record is 73.
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If MLB says the record is 73, the record is 73.
If the American league says AL record is 61, the record is 61
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We still have people who think there is a difference between AL records and NL records? How quaint and adorable!
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We still have people who think there is a difference between AL records and NL records? How quaint and adorable!
Yes, literally everyone following baseball. Except you but I mean, it appears you need to get a brush up on the english language anyways.
Because by definition of the word record. It qualifies. Adorable!
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Yes, literally everyone following baseball. Except you but I mean, it appears you need to get a brush up on the english language anyways.
Because by definition of the word record. It qualifies. Adorable!
Sure I guess it's a "record" by the dictionary definition. It's just not all that meaningful. Maybe we can start tracking records by division too!
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Obviously not!
You don't follow much of anything. Its a common theme being contrary and wrong.
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You don't follow much of anything. Its a common theme being contrary and wrong.
Oh look who's lashing out again! So adorable.
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Oh look who's lashing out again! So adorable.
Making a statement isnt lashing out.
Think the root problem here is clearly the english language education.
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I feel like an AL-only record is a nice thing to flash along the bottom line and sell t-shirts for. Maybe Yankee fans care more about it since it’s Maris’ record.
For the vast majority of fans, I think 73 is the number that matters.
The Brewers have been pumping social media about Adames having the most homers by a shortstop. Is it a little silly? Yes. But something they can use to drum up interest, especially as the Brewers fall out of the playoffs.
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When he has been healthy, he has been a major impact player. But no, we can't predict the future with 100% certainty. Judge bet on himself this season and won.
Change is very difficult and threatening for some, but you'll survive this one.
I was just wondering that if StillAWarrior is StillAWarrior that deep down is he StillAnIndian. So no, not threatening.
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If MLB says the record is 73, the record is 73.
...and Lance Armstrong won 7 Tour de France titles.
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...and Lance Armstrong won 7 Tour de France titles.
He didn't. Those titles have been officially vacated. Bonds' record still stands.
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So will he be playing for the Yankees next season? How many free agents have stellar seasons only to under perform after they get the big payday.
Yes, I am a Yankee fan. This season and his rookie season have been the only two seasons of note for Judge and has been on the DL, some for long stretches in past seasons. So I am wondering if he is worth signing by the Yanks or any other team for that matter if he demands a big contract.
I know everyone in the New York area loves the season this guy is having, but will it translate to long term success is my question.
This is all very fair. He's a blast to watch and I love that he's such a hoss because it makes it easier for my dumb brain to not think about steroids when I watch him jack bombs. But hooo man its hard to feel great about paying Judge $300M over 10 years, especially while you've already got Stanton on the books for $30M+ per year for another half decade. I think he still ends up a Yankee because its hard to see another team splashing out with enough of a premium to pry him away - I'd need to think about it harder but the Cards, Mariners, Giants, and maybe the Rangers (though at some point they have to pivot to getting some pitching) seem like options, and giving Judge that kind of contract doesn't seem like a Cards or Giants move.
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There fixed it for you.
Mediocre white guy upset that a racist reference is no longer used.
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Gotta have an asterisk if Judge sets the record.
He didn’t do it the Cardinals Way.
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So do we assume that Judge is “clean,” and that he is about to become the all-time, non-roided HR king?
Yes, he is.
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I feel like an AL-only record is a nice thing to flash along the bottom line and sell t-shirts for. Maybe Yankee fans care more about it since it’s Maris’ record.
For the vast majority of fans, I think 73 is the number that matters.
The Brewers have been pumping social media about Adames having the most homers by a shortstop. Is it a little silly? Yes. But something they can use to drum up interest, especially as the Brewers fall out of the playoffs.
There is no question that people get a little silly with records, but people do slice and dice them all the time. I suspect every team in the league has it's own records. With that in mind, when one considers the Yankees' history, "Yankees' Single Season Home Run" record seems significant. If that's the case, I can't really fault someone citing the "AL record". But yes, we all know that the record that really matters is 73.
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I don't assume any professional athlete is "clean" when it comes to PEDs. Some are. Many aren't. If you're approaching 70 home runs in a single season...
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There is no question that people get a little silly with records, but people do slice and dice them all the time. I suspect every team in the league has it's own records. With that in mind, when one considers the Yankees' history, "Yankees' Single Season Home Run" record seems significant. If that's the case, I can't really fault someone citing the "AL record". But yes, we all know that the record that really matters is 73.
Yessir. There's nothing wrong with saying Judge's 62 will be a record for a league that has been in existence for 120+ years.
"Records" for most HR by a certain position or some of those dopey "combo records" (he's the first third baseman to finish with 44 HR, 35 doubles, 110 RBI and a Gold Glove!) are pretty different from a home-run record for an entire league, especially when numbers Judge would be eclipsing are as hallowed (for lack of better word) as 60 and 61.
Then, if one wants to factor in that the three NL guys with more than 61 HR all used their tushies as pin cushions, Judge's record is all the more impressive. Right now, he's got 20 HR more than MLB's next-most-prolific slugger. That's Ruthian stuff.
I mean, would Judge winning the Triple Crown merit an asterisk if the NL's Freeman finishes with a higher batting average, as will probably happen?
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Yessir. There's nothing wrong with saying Judge's 62 will be a record for a league that has been in existence for 120+ years.
"Records" for most HR by a certain position or some of those dopey "combo records" (he's the first third baseman to finish with 44 HR, 35 doubles, 110 RBI and a Gold Glove!) are pretty different from a home-run record for an entire league, especially when numbers Judge would be eclipsing are as hallowed (for lack of better word) as 60 and 61.
Then, if one wants to factor in that the three NL guys with more than 61 HR all used their tushies as pin cushions, Judge's record is all the more impressive. Right now, he's got 20 HR more than MLB's next-most-prolific slugger. That's Ruthian stuff.
I mean, would Judge winning the Triple Crown merit an asterisk if the NL's Freeman finishes with a higher batting average, as will probably happen?
Judge's home run should have an asterisk because
1. Trout was injured for part of the year
2. Judge didn't have to face Yadier Molina pitching
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Yessir. There's nothing wrong with saying Judge's 62 will be a record for a league that has been in existence for 120+ years.
"Records" for most HR by a certain position or some of those dopey "combo records" (he's the first third baseman to finish with 44 HR, 35 doubles, 110 RBI and a Gold Glove!) are pretty different from a home-run record for an entire league, especially when numbers Judge would be eclipsing are as hallowed (for lack of better word) as 60 and 61.
Then, if one wants to factor in that the three NL guys with more than 61 HR all used their tushies as pin cushions, Judge's record is all the more impressive. Right now, he's got 20 HR more than MLB's next-most-prolific slugger. That's Ruthian stuff.
I mean, would Judge winning the Triple Crown merit an asterisk if the NL's Freeman finishes with a higher batting average, as will probably happen?
These days the American League is called a "league" due to history. It is no different than a "conference" in the NBA or NFL.
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He didn't. Those titles have been officially vacated. Bonds' record still stands.
Perhaps MLB should follow suit; but even if they did it does not negate the fact that McGuire, Sosa and Bonds hit those Home Runs.
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Perhaps MLB should follow suit; but even if they did it does not negate the fact that McGuire, Sosa and Bonds hit those Home Runs.
Yes. They clearly hit those home runs. You have a point there.
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Judge's home run should have an asterisk because
1. Trout was injured for part of the year
2. Judge didn't have to face Yadier Molina pitching
Can't argue that!
He also is being cheered on by Not The Best Fans In Baseball.
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Mediocre white guy upset that a racist reference is no longer used.
Well there must still be a few guys here on Scoop who use Warriors to reference the Marquette Basketball team and refer to themselves as muwarrior69 and StillAWarrior just to name a few. I can't count the number of replies here that say "Go Warriors". Warriors and Indians is no more racist to me than mediocre white guy is to you.
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White Sox have been outscored by 3 runs this season (compared to Cleveland having a +39 run differential), and they also have a losing record at home (Cleveland is 8 games over .500 at home).
Those are good ways to not win a division title.
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The Guardians are a lot of fun to watch. Obviously, winning is more fun to watch than losing. After going to my first game of the season last Tuesday, we caught our second game on Friday. It's fun because I honestly had no idea that my 23-year old daughter loves baseball. It's even got me thinking about picking up a 20-game plan for next season.
They're a fun exciting team. What I wish the White sox were. Tone at the top makes a big difference.
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I don't assume any professional athlete is "clean" when it comes to PEDs. Some are. Many aren't. If you're approaching 70 home runs in a single season...
*teal* What about Jake Arrieta?
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I don't assume any professional athlete is "clean" when it comes to PEDs. Some are. Many aren't. If you're approaching 70 home runs in a single season...
I get it. It's hard to not be at least a little skeptical when one guy hits 20 HR more than the next HR hitter.
I really want to believe Judge is clean ... but I wanted to believe it about McGwire and Sosa, too.
Here's hoping.
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I don't assume any professional athlete is "clean" when it comes to PEDs. Some are. Many aren't. If you're approaching 70 home runs in a single season...
So what's the number of HR's to where you get suspicious? 60? 55? 50?
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I get it. It's hard to not be at least a little skeptical when one guy hits 20 HR more than the next HR hitter.
I really want to believe Judge is clean ... but I wanted to believe it about McGwire and Sosa, too.
Here's hoping.
I don't care for the Yankees, and have no special affinity for Judge, but he seems different than Sosa and McGwire. Sosa was a strong, but lean and athletic 5 tool player who was a 40/40 threat and had a great arm in right field. Then he bulked up heavily out of nowhere and became a much more one dimensional player.
McGwire was built more like Judge in Oakland, before he too became one of those bulging big headed freakishly built guys the PED era was known for.
Judge is just huge to begin with, built like a TE not a RF. He's probably taken some PEDs. Pretty much all pro athletes do at one time or another, but I'm less inclined to think this HR chase is a test tube driven one than in the late 90s.
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I don't care for the Yankees, and have no special affinity for Judge, but he seems different than Sosa and McGwire. Sosa was a strong, but lean and athletic 5 tool player who was a 40/40 threat and had a great arm in right field. Then he bulked up heavily out of nowhere and became a much more one dimensional player.
McGwire was built more like Judge in Oakland, before he too became one of those bulging big headed freakishly built guys the PED era was known for.
Judge is just huge to begin with, built like a TE not a RF. He's probably taken some PEDs. Pretty much all pro athletes do at one time or another, but I'm less inclined to think this HR chase is a test tube driven one than in the late 90s.
Oh, I agree, and I am taking the view (and hope) that he's not juicing. All I'm saying is that it's hardly abnormal for an observer to be a little skeptical. He's really having one of the great offensive seasons ever, and it's something to see.
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On another note ... nice to see the South Siders putting up such a fight for the division title.
As for the Guardians, really nice job recovering from that mini-slump they had in late August and early September that let the White Sox and Twins back in the race. Slumps happen to everyone; it's how you respond to them that matters.
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Gotta have an asterisk if Judge sets the record.
He didn’t do it the Cardinals Way.
Kudos for the Ford Frick reference.
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On another note ... nice to see the South Siders putting up such a fight for the division title.
As for the Guardians, really nice job recovering from that mini-slump they had in late August and early September that let the White Sox and Twins back in the race. Slumps happen to everyone; it's how you respond to them that matters.
I think the last two years have shown us that it should have been Dave Duncan in the HoF instead of the Hall of Fame baseball drunk.
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It's hard to argue that LaRussa wasn't a good manager. But his era is over. Expecting a guy in his late 70s to manage like he did in his 40s and 50s is a bad idea.
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I think the last two years have shown us that it should have been Dave Duncan in the HoF instead of the Hall of Fame baseball drunk.
Is there any more underrated position in all of sports than a top MLB pitching coach?
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Is there any more underrated position in all of sports than a top MLB pitching coach?
With advances in analytics, super high speed cameras, and pitching academies, the position is even more important.
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Can't argue that!
He also is being cheered on by Not The Best Fans In Baseball.
I assume you mean Yankee fans. What is wrong with Yankee fans? We're like any other fan. We root for a team that has competed in the post season 57 times, won 40 AL championships and 27 World Series. If we're entitled and arrogant fans I think we earned it.
I guess we are not really like any other fan.
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With advances in analytics, super high speed cameras, and pitching academies, the position is even more important.
I'd argue that the pitching coach is more important than the manager, especially with the 3 batter rule, DH, etc.
The rule changes essentially gutted Craigtember.
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I think having a leaky bullpen messed with Craigtember more than anything. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'd bet they have lost more games from leading positions after the 6th inning this year than the 2018, 2019 and 2021 combined.
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I assume you mean Yankee fans. What is wrong with Yankee fans? We're like any other fan. We root for a team that has competed in the post season 57 times, won 40 AL championships and 27 World Series. If we're entitled and arrogant fans I think we earned it.
I guess we are not really like any other fan.
No need for teal with the truth my fellow Yankee fan!
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I'd argue that the pitching coach is more important than the manager, especially with the 3 batter rule, DH, etc.
The rule changes essentially gutted Craigtember.
...and don't forget placing a runner on 2nd base after the 9th inning.
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I don't have a dog in the ongoing Cubs - Cards debate, but I do note that this guy (https://twitter.com/JomboyMedia/status/1573135005291020288?s=20&t=Usvx8cO8uCX5VQ7Bg3MUNA) is in the Cards' organization. Doh!
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I don't have a dog in the ongoing Cubs - Cards debate, but I do note that this guy (https://twitter.com/JomboyMedia/status/1573135005291020288?s=20&t=Usvx8cO8uCX5VQ7Bg3MUNA) is in the Cards' organization. Doh!
Pretty typical of the Cardinals. Between the draft dodgers, roiders and straight up cheaters, it’s a disgraceful organization from the top down
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I think having a leaky bullpen messed with Craigtember more than anything. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'd bet they have lost more games from leading positions after the 6th inning this year than the 2018, 2019 and 2021 combined.
They need a complete overhaul of the pen next year. There are only a couple guys worth keeping.
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Yes. They clearly hit those home runs. You have a point there.
...and Lance Armstrong finished first in 7 Tour de France.
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...and Lance Armstrong finished first in 7 Tour de France.
No he didn’t according to the people who actually run the Tour.
Bonds et. al. hit those HRs according to MLB.
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No he didn’t according to the people who actually run the Tour.
Bonds et. al. hit those HRs according to MLB.
But Lance did participate in 7 tours de France where no one else got first.
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No he didn’t according to the people who actually run the Tour.
Bonds et. al. hit those HRs according to MLB.
Pedant
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699
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700.
Unreal.
5 RBI.
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Pedant
Stating facts means I’m a pedant? MLB recognizes that 73 is the single season record for HRs in a season. The Tour does not recognize any Lance championships.
It’s not hard.
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Congrats to Albert Pujols. With a little effort and a lot of skinless chicken, you too can hit 700 HRs.
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Pujols had 4 home runs to start July, and did not homer the entire month of June. His 5th home run was July 10th. He was hitting .189 on July 4th.
Now for a better than a month he’s one of the best power hitters in the game.
Sure. Hooray Alberta.
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Pujols had 4 home runs to start July, and did not homer the entire month of June. His 5th home run was July 10th. He was hitting .189 on July 4th.
Now for a better than a month he’s one of the best power hitters in the game.
Sure. Hooray Alberta.
Yeah, that doesn't happen to ancient ballplayers without a little divine medical intervention.
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Yeah, that doesn't happen to ancient ballplayers without a little divine medical intervention.
Another aggravated Cubs fan who just realized it will be 102 more years before the next Cubs World Championship. A Championship that maybe his elderly grandchildren, God willing, might see?
Ya'll need to enjoy it. Period. Watch an organization that treats its fans right! That tries to put a team on the field that may not win everyday, but is built to compete.
Albert has been a special ballplayer to us. Yeah, we sure wished we'd kept him in 2011, but the cost of doing so would have broke the bank and inevitably cost the Cardinals in other areas. We're just delighted he's back and wearing the uniform of the birds on bat.
Steriods/PEDs? Hardly? Grit and determination -- and maybe some good coaching? Probably!!!!!
Winning: It's the Cardinal way!!!!!!!
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Another aggravated Cubs fan who just realized it will be 102 more years before the next Cubs World Championship. A Championship that maybe his elderly grandchildren, God willing, might see?
Steriods/PEDs? Hardly? Grit and determination -- and maybe some good coaching? Probably!!!!!
Winning: It's the Cardinal way!!!!!!!
Cubs? Ewwwwwww.
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Another aggravated Cubs fan who just realized it will be 102 more years before the next Cubs World Championship. A Championship that maybe his elderly grandchildren, God willing, might see?
Ya'll need to enjoy it. Period. Watch an organization that treats its fans right! That tries to put a team on the field that may not win everyday, but is built to compete.
Albert has been a special ballplayer to us. Yeah, we sure wished we'd kept him in 2011, but the cost of doing so would have broke the bank and inevitably cost the Cardinals in other areas. We're just delighted he's back and wearing the uniform of the birds on bat.
Steriods/PEDs? Hardly? Grit and determination -- and maybe some good coaching? Probably!!!!!
Winning: It's the Cardinal way!!!!!!!
Yes. The 13th round draft pick who was coming up through the Cardinals’ system as Mark McGuire was in the bigs is now at 700 home runs through “grit and determination…and maybe some good coaching.” Lol.
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Another aggravated Cubs fan who just realized it will be 102 more years before the next Cubs World Championship. A Championship that maybe his elderly grandchildren, God willing, might see?
Ya'll need to enjoy it. Period. Watch an organization that treats its fans right! That tries to put a team on the field that may not win everyday, but is built to compete.
Albert has been a special ballplayer to us. Yeah, we sure wished we'd kept him in 2011, but the cost of doing so would have broke the bank and inevitably cost the Cardinals in other areas. We're just delighted he's back and wearing the uniform of the birds on bat.
Steriods/PEDs? Hardly? Grit and determination -- and maybe some good coaching? Probably!!!!!
Winning: It's the Cardinal way!!!!!!!
Pujols hasn't hit more than 30 HRs in a season in 7 years, since his mid 30s. He hit just over 1 HR a month for the first 5 month of the season. Then at age 42, he has hit 14 in a month and a half in 120 ABs and its just grit and determination? Anyone who thinks it seems peculiar is just a jealous (insert team name) hater? OKKKK.
In the last 40 years, the Cardinals have 1 more WS than the Cubs. 3 teams have won more in that time frame. 7 have won as many rings, including vaunted franchises like the Marlins and Royals. Unfortunately they don't treat their fans properly. Crowing about titles that happened before color TV and bringing up a Cubs WS drought that was broken barely 5 years ago is as lame as early 20s Yankees fans who can barely remember the 2009 WS screaming about "27 RINGS!!!"
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Congratulations to arguably the best hitter of his generation on a monumental accomplishment.
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Congratulations to arguably the best hitter of his generation on a monumental accomplishment.
Did I miss an Aaron Judge home run?
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Congratulations to arguably the best hitter of his generation on a monumental accomplishment.
Ahem.
https://www.theonion.com/turns-out-craig-counsell-was-actually-best-baseball-pla-1819570562/amp
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Different generations
'the onion' = satire
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dgies stirring it up. Having lived in the Chicago burbs so long I think he thinks all fans are Cubs fans. Probably many more Brewer fans here.
Anyway, AP had plantar fasciitis when Anaheim signed him. They then chose to play him daily and annually for 600 at bat seasons on some bad teams. What changed? He went to better teams and played half of the time. Dodgers said you can play against lefties and pinch hit cutting down half of the playing time.
What changed a year later? Marmol didn’t initially adhere to the LHP and pinch hit strategy, but eventually he did with strategic play against some RHP. And, the NL now has the DH, so he only has to play the field sometimes or once in a while.
Tough day for some Scoopers.
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dgies stirring it up. Having lived in the Chicago burbs so long I think he thinks all fans are Cubs fans. Probably many more Brewer fans here.
Anyway, AP had plantar fasciitis when Anaheim signed him. They then chose to play him daily and annually for 600 at bat seasons on some bad teams. What changed? He went to better teams and played half of the time. Dodgers said you can play against lefties and pinch hit cutting down half of the playing time.
What changed a year later? Marmol didn’t initially adhere to the LHP and pinch hit strategy, but eventually he did with strategic play against some RHP. And, the NL now has the DH, so he only has to play the field sometimes or once in a while.
Tough day for some Scoopers.
And all the steroids
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And all the steroids
Don’t lose hope. Brewers are 3 back in the 2nd WC. This could be the year.
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Don’t lose hope. Brewers are 3 back in the 2nd WC with 10 to play. This could be the year.
2 back. They should’ve brought Braun back to counter what the Cards did. Might’ve won the division with him.
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Don’t lose hope. Brewers are 3 back in the 2nd WC. This could be the year.
You had to edit that?
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You had to edit that?
This could be the year for the Brewers.
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2 back. They should’ve brought Braun back to counter what the Cards did. Might’ve won the division with him.
2 back. There ya go.
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This could be the year for the Brewers.
You seem triggered based on your location and fandom.
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2 back. They should’ve brought Braun back to counter what the Cards did. Might’ve won the division with him.
Braun appreciates having testicles larger than raisins.
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I didn't want to be the first to wonder if a 106-year-old guy miraculously becoming one of baseball's best HR hitters again after several years of meh could possibly be benefiting from some slugger's little helpers.
So thanks to wades, Wags and others.
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He was a juicer early in his career according to his trainer.
The evidence suggests he is a juicer now.
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I’m mostly impressed because I always speculated Pujols was a few years older than he said he was, which isn’t uncommon for Latin American players. One of the reasons I thought his major contract with the Angels would be a bust.
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Bring back Ozzie to manage the White Sox.
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I’ve been calling out the Sox all season. It’s a total disgrace what happened this year, absolutely embarrassing. They deserve every bit of criticism.
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I’ve been calling out the Sox all season. It’s a total disgrace what happened this year, absolutely embarrassing. They deserve every bit of criticism.
Really an incredible waste of a season, Dish. I feel bad for Sox fans.
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I obviously think Aaron Judge is having one of the most incredible offensive seasons and is well deserving of the MVP, and I congratulate him for betting on himself.
But if there's one thing we've learned from the Pujols situation is that any team that bestows long-term bazillions on a 30-something slugger could be asking for trouble. Judge turns 31 next April, one year younger than Pujols allegedly was when he moved to the Angels in 2012.
And unlike Pujols at this stage of their careers, Judge has had far fewer great seasons and a much worse injury history. Judge has exceeded 500 plate appearances only three times in his career, and he missed just about all of 2020. From 2001-11, Pujols never had fewer than 634 plate appearances; credit the juice if you want, but he seemed like an indestructible machine, and one could see why the Angels were willing to take a massive swing at him.
Having said all that, some team will surely overpay for Judge. I hope for their sake they at least can limit the total number of years to 5 or fewer.
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Well...the Guardians have clinched and they're playing really as the enter the final days of the season (or at least feasting on teams that aren't playing well). It'd be great if they can keep it up. The next three against TB will be a good gauge of how they're doing.
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Well...the Guardians have clinched and they're playing really as the enter the final days of the season (or at least feasting on teams that aren't playing well). It'd be great if they can keep it up. The next three against TB will be a good gauge of how they're doing.
Very impressed with Cleveland's response after the White Sox had essentially caught them in the standings. Easily could have gone the other way, but they showed they were the more mentally tough and better managed team. Pretty darn talented, too.
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Neither TLR or Cairo will manage the Sox next season. TLR will not be involved in any official White Sox capacity moving forward.
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I have zero clue as to potential candidates
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Yelich finally benched for tonight’s game. Bring back sign stealing.
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Yelich finally benched for tonight’s game. Bring back sign stealing.
Steroids. Pujols is doing it. Get Braun back on the roster and Keston and Yeli will suddenly take again.
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Steroids. Pujols is doing it. Get Braun back on the roster and Keston and Yeli will suddenly take again.
Maybe he can then throw a ball to second base
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61!
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61!
Glad for Judge. 2-run shot broke a 7th-inning tie - yet another clutch hit in a season filled with ‘em.
Would love to see him get hot again and at least pass the bat-corking juicer, Sosa.
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Sox are +260 to miss the playoffs right now. Just sayin…
Hope some of you were on this as early as I was.
Official time of death: 11:15 pm CST, 9/28/22.
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61!
7th best HR season of all time!
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In Toronto, an adult fan brought his glove to the ballpark and got it on the baseball ... only to fail to make the catch as the ball fell into the bullpen.
Probably cost the guy a million bucks. And I'm not talkin' looneys!
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In Toronto, an adult fan brought his glove to the ballpark and got it on the baseball ... only to fail to make the catch as the ball fell into the bullpen.
Probably cost the guy a million bucks. And I'm not talkin' looneys!
Gotta jump into the bullpen
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Gotta jump into the bullpen
Whatever it takes, just like this guy
(https://i.imgur.com/Lf8coZC.gif)
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Woody with 4 straight 10K games. Dude's got the spidertack back. Now just get Yeli his HGH back to counter Pujols and the Brewers can make a run.
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Bea wunderful if he got 69, aina?
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Bottom 5th at Wrigley, Cubs lead Phillies 2-0. As bad as the Brewers are at times, they just might grab that last wild card spot. Phillies are on a death spiral----similar to 1964.
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Neither TLR or Cairo will manage the Sox next season. TLR will not be involved in any official White Sox capacity moving forward.
I kind of think Willie Harris would be a good candidate. Based on what I’ve seen of him as the Cubs’ third base coach, he has the energy the clubhouse needs. He’s also got a history with the Sox and, from what I’ve heard, interviewed for the job last time.
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Brewers had a chance to slide back into WC spot but CC brings in Freddy in relief who gives up a grand slam to former Brewer Avisail Garcia. Brutal.
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The next three against TB will be a good gauge of how they're doing.
I'll gladly take 2-1 in the three-game series. All three where 1-run margins (with the final two being 2-1 Guardians wins).
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Ohtani now has a 2.35 era in 161 innings.
If he makes one more starts he would have enough innings to qualify for the ERA leaderboard. Along with everything hes doing as a hitter.
Nuts.
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Kris Bryant played more games for the Giants last year than he did for the Rockies this year.
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Kris Bryant played more games for the Giants last year than he did for the Rockies this year.
I said last winter that I wouldn’t touch either Bryant or Baez in free agency.
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Hiura for the Brewers has 107 Ks in 223 ABs???
Even Gallo laughs at that.
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Hiura for the Brewers has 107 Ks in 223 ABs???
Even Gallo laughs at that.
Almost at .500, aina?
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Rickie Weeks Jr.
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Hiura for the Brewers has 107 Ks in 223 ABs???
Even Gallo laughs at that.
I wonder if he and Yelich were using the same pitching stealing guy.
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This isn’t exactly a new issue for Hiura. I believe they changed his swing to more of an upper cut his second season and it really hurt him at the plate.
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Ohtani now has a 2.35 era in 161 innings.
If he makes one more starts he would have enough innings to qualify for the ERA leaderboard. Along with everything hes doing as a hitter.
Nuts.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/29/why-yankees-pursuit-of-shohei-ohtani-remains-possible/
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Yelich got paid $160k tonight to kick a ball.
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That’s a brutal Brewers loss.
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It appears the Astros/Phillies series may bear some interest from Brewer fans.
Astros have clinched no 1 seed, so they face a five day layoff for their playoffs.
We dont plan on any rollover for the Phillies. To combat having too long off and keeping up some routine...Astros will start the Top 3....Lance McCullers Jr on Monday, Justin Verlander on Tuesday (intent in keeping his innings pure- to lock up the AL Cy Young) followed by Framber Valdez on Wednesday. Besides our reg bullpen who will all try to be worked a little, we will add out there: A rookie starter Hunter Brown (1.06 era), and starters Jose Urquidy and even Christian Javier (.178 BA against--lowest in MLB) will also get in some work. The Phillies will see very strong pitching as we try to work everyone a little
On offense, Aledmys Diaz and Yordan Alvarez are a little hurt so they may sit. Astros are good, not great at the plate. We have a very good defense, too. My guess is Astros take 2 of 3.
Will that take care of our end?
Do Brewers get in?
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The Brewers absolutely deserve to miss the playoffs. Then again, so do the Phillies.
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Peddle all their asses. They suck sewer water, hey?
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Given the number of fans in the stands, I don't think many Brewers fans care all that much if they make the playoffs.
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One would think the Mets will be a real threat in the postseason largely because of Scherzer and deGrom at the top of their rotation.
But the Braves just beat those aces -- 3R (all on solo HR) and 5H in 6IP off deGrom, and 4R and 9H in 5.2IP off Scherzer -- to move into first place.
And if the Mets don't finish first, they'll have to use deGrom and Scherzer just to advance out of the wild-card round.
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Given the number of fans in the stands, I don't think many Brewers fans care all that much if they make the playoffs.
They are not a fun team to watch. Very mediocre offense and their calling card the last several seasons - the bullpen - is in shambles. They just blew 2 leads late to the Marlins to put them behind the Phillies rather than a game ahead.
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They are not a fun team to watch. Very mediocre offense and their calling card the last several seasons - the bullpen - is in shambles. They just blew 2 leads late to the Marlins to put them behind the Phillies rather than a game ahead.
Yup. It’s a weird collection of players. I’ve been pretty meh on them since spring waiting for them to show me something but it’s never come. I know the advanced stats aren’t bad for the offense but they just don’t pass the eye test most nights and for the average fan, that’s a problem.
The bullpen has been a bust. People complaining about the Hader trade are the same ones who complained they didn’t trade him last off-season and would have complained if he was still on the roster. Bullpens, as Doug Melvin once said, can be a crapshoot. Guys cycle up and down like a roller coaster throughout their careers. It’s been awhile since they busted with the pen and it’s their undoing.
As for the fire Counsell talk, it’s stupid. If he “lost” the team, which I don’t believe at all, it doesn’t matter. The roster churn in MLB makes that a rather moot point.
Weirdly, as disappointing as the year is, I’m not upset about the outcome. Good franchises have these seasons. I do believe it’s an important off-season. Either go big or start the rebuild, even if it’s a piecemeal approach
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Yup. It’s a weird collection of players. I’ve been pretty meh on them since spring waiting for them to show me something but it’s never come. I know the advanced stats aren’t bad for the offense but they just don’t pass the eye test most nights and for the average fan, that’s a problem.
The bullpen has been a bust. People complaining about the Hader trade are the same ones who complained they didn’t trade him last off-season and would have complained if he was still on the roster. Bullpens, as Doug Melvin once said, can be a crapshoot. Guys cycle up and down like a roller coaster throughout their careers. It’s been awhile since they busted with the pen and it’s their undoing.
As for the fire Counsell talk, it’s stupid. If he “lost” the team, which I don’t believe at all, it doesn’t matter. The roster churn in MLB makes that a rather moot point.
Weirdly, as disappointing as the year is, I’m not upset about the outcome. Good franchises have these seasons. I do believe it’s an important off-season. Either go big or start the rebuild, even if it’s a piecemeal approach
They made the playoffs two seasons ago simply because it was expanded. Then they came back and had an excellent season last year.
It happens.
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As for the fire Counsell talk, it’s stupid. If he “lost” the team, which I don’t believe at all, it doesn’t matter. The roster churn in MLB makes that a rather moot point.
When asked what the key to not “losing a team” was, Casey Stengel famously said “You have to make sure you keep the 5 guys who hate you away from the 8 or 9 guys who haven’t made up their mind yet.” Lots of ups and down over what’s a very long season.
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LaRussa retiring
Formal announcement tomorrow.
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LaRussa retiring
Formal announcement tomorrow.
You know Reinsdorf wouldn’t fire him a second time…so good that he “quit”.
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You know Reinsdorf wouldn’t fire him a second time…so good that he “quit”.
I'd be surprised if Sandy Alomar Jr. isn't the guy.
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Something special about losing 3 of 4 to a team 25 games under .500 at home when fighting for a playoff spot.
But as I said earlier, the front office already gave up on this season when they were sellers at the deadline as a division leader.
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I'd be surprised if Sandy Alomar Jr. isn't the guy.
Obviously nobody knows how good a manager any first-timer will be. But during his playing days, Alomar was regarded very highly for his all-around baseball knowledge. He had excellent people skills and was respected by his teammates.
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One would think the Mets will be a real threat in the postseason largely because of Scherzer and deGrom at the top of their rotation.
But the Braves just beat those aces -- 3R (all on solo HR) and 5H in 6IP off deGrom, and 4R and 9H in 5.2IP off Scherzer -- to move into first place.
And if the Mets don't finish first, they'll have to use deGrom and Scherzer just to advance out of the wild-card round.
The Braves finish to the season was absolutely incredible.
And for all the Mets pitching, they had such a strong year cause they had the second best average in baseball and scored a lot of runs. Lindor, Alonso, and Co vanishing recently were as much a problem as the pitching.
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The Braves finish to the season was absolutely incredible.
And for all the Mets pitching, they had such a strong year cause they had the second best average in baseball and scored a lot of runs. Lindor, Alonso, and Co vanishing recently were as much a problem as the pitching.
True.
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The Braves finish to the season was absolutely incredible.
I don't know what Snitker puts in the water, but he's 2 for 2 on these finishes now.
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Barring an unexpected change of heart, that was Steve Stone’s final White Sox broadcast tonight.
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Barring an unexpected change of heart, that was Steve Stone’s final White Sox broadcast tonight.
What a career. Love stoney.
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What a career. Love stoney.
Best Jewish pitcher not named Koufax. Also crazy that he was battery mates with Munson at Kent St. Hell of a duo for a mid major
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Hope not, but I do fear I lit some money on fire last month with my 88.5 U wager.
8-)
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Barring an unexpected change of heart, that was Steve Stone’s final White Sox broadcast tonight.
Dish, just a couple days ago I read a short blurb saying Stone expected to return to the Sox booth in 2023. What happened?
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Dish, just a couple days ago I read a short blurb saying Stone expected to return to the Sox booth in 2023. What happened?
I was told he is strongly leaning towards not coming back, unless the Sox decide to do a home/road split with him, as he wants to be able to spend more time at his home in Phoenix.
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I was told he is strongly leaning towards not coming back, unless the Sox decide to do a home/road split with him, as he wants to be able to spend more time at his home in Phoenix.
Thanks Dish. Makes sense.
I've always liked Stone.
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Thanks Dish. Makes sense.
I've always liked Stone.
I liked Benetti and Stone in the booth, two guys who are pretty universally well liked and respected. Which was a nice diversion from a guy like Harrelson who I feel was reviled by those outside of White Sox nation, at least in my experience.
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Judge is the AL home run king
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Looking forward to celebrating someone breaking Drew Brees NFC passing touchdown record, but falling short of Peyton Manning's NFL record.
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Judge is the AL home run king
Assuming he's clean isn't he MLB's home run king?
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Assuming he's clean isn't he MLB's home run king?
Nope. Bonds' record is still intact.
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Assuming he's clean isn't he MLB's home run king?
I don't recall Barry Bonds failing a test that year.
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I guess I'm out of the loop. So Bonds will never be in the Hall of Fame because of steroids but is still recognized as having the HR record? Because he didn't fail a test thar season? How it plausible he wasn't juicing when he had his best season? Is he also recognized as the all-time record holder and not Mr. Aaron? Freaking weird.
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I guess I'm out of the loop. So Bonds will never be in the Hall of Fame because of steroids but is still recognized as having the HR record? Because he didn't fail a test thar season? How it plausible he wasn't juicing when he had his best season? Is he also recognized as the all-time record holder and not Mr. Aaron? Freaking weird.
You have captured the conundrum.
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I guess I'm out of the loop. So Bonds will never be in the Hall of Fame because of steroids but is still recognized as having the HR record? Because he didn't fail a test thar season? How it plausible he wasn't juicing when he had his best season? Is he also recognized as the all-time record holder and not Mr. Aaron? Freaking weird.
Hes not in the Hall because people are given votes and can choose not to vote for him.
Theres no vote on highest homer totals. Hes got the most.
Also, should be in the Hall.
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Hes not in the Hall because people are given votes and can choose not to vote for him.
Theres no vote on highest homer totals. Hes got the most.
Also, should be in the Hall.
He was easily a Hall of Famer without the steroids. However, the significance of Aaron's record in particular is arguably the greatest in the history of sports. The fact that Selig allowed that crap, and was supposedly "a good friend" of Hank Aaron, is off the charts disgraceful. Mr. Aaron was also a total class act. I'm sorry he had to deal with such garbage both with his chase for the record and after he earned the HR title.
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Looking forward to celebrating someone breaking Drew Brees NFC passing touchdown record, but falling short of Peyton Manning's NFL record.
Right. It’s so lame.
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He was easily a Hall of Famer without the steroids. However, the significance of Aaron's record in particular is arguably the greatest in the history of sports. The fact that Selig allowed that crap, and was supposedly "a good friend" of Hank Aaron, is off the charts disgraceful. Mr. Aaron was also a total class act. I'm sorry he had to deal with such garbage both with his chase for the record and after he earned the HR title.
So what was Selig supposed to do? Just declare that he didn’t hit those home runs?
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Congrats to Judge. Seems like a class act and a good teammate, not to mention a heck of a ballplayer.
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So what was Selig supposed to do? Just declare that he didn’t hit those home runs?
It works well for college sports!
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So what was Selig supposed to do? Just declare that he didn’t hit those home runs?
There are a lot of things he could have done.
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I guess I'm out of the loop. So Bonds will never be in the Hall of Fame because of steroids but is still recognized as having the HR record? Because he didn't fail a test thar season? How it plausible he wasn't juicing when he had his best season? Is he also recognized as the all-time record holder and not Mr. Aaron? Freaking weird.
You ever hear of a guy named Pete Rose?
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You ever hear of a guy named Pete Rose?
Yes.
Different situation than steroids but he rightly isn't in the HOF. But there's no evidence he physically cheated to accumulate his hits.
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There are a lot of things he could have done.
Such as???
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Selig. could have just invalidated the records by thinking about it.
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Given the number of fans in the stands, I don't think many Brewers fans care all that much if they make the playoffs.
Brewers to Oakland once the A's go to Vegas.
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Brewers to Oakland once the A's go to Vegas.
I know you are kidding, but the Brewers do alright. Top half of the league in average attendance.
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Selig. could have just invalidated the records by thinking about it.
My morning laugh. Thanks, tower.
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I get a kick out of those who tsk-tsk when somebody catches a historic baseball and then refuses to hand it over without being compensated.
A person is supposed to turn down a life-changing payday "just because"? Is Aaron Judge gonna turn down generational wealth just to be "a good guy"? Do the Yankees ever turn down an opportunity to gouge their fans?
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I get a kick out of those who tsk-tsk when somebody catches a historic baseball and then refuses to hand it over without being compensated.
A person is supposed to turn down a life-changing payday "just because"? Is Aaron Judge gonna turn down generational wealth just to be "a good guy"? Do the Yankees ever turn down an opportunity to gouge their fans?
Yeah I mean its something you just gotta do. Cant worry about being a dick. Its a fans right to the ball and the chance to have their life changed.
Does sound like the guy who caught Judges is already loaded though.
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If I catch a random HR, I'm giving to the kid next to me.
If I catch Aaron Judge's HR yesterday, I'm selling that thing within a week.
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Yeah I mean its something you just gotta do. Cant worry about being a dick. Its a fans right to the ball and the chance to have their life changed.
Does sound like the guy who caught Judges is already loaded though.
Maybe he'll give much of it to great charities or otherwise use it to help others. Or maybe not. It's his call.
If I catch a random HR, I'm giving to the kid next to me.
If I catch Aaron Judge's HR yesterday, I'm selling that thing within a week.
Yessir.
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Yankees fans and NE-centric media/ESPN:
"THIS IS INCREDIBLE. LETS SHOW EVERY AT BAT. JUDGE THE AL HR KING!!! WHAT A STORY!!"
The rest of the country:
(yawn) Good for Judge, great season
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Yankees fans and NE-centric media/ESPN:
"THIS IS INCREDIBLE. LETS SHOW EVERY AT BAT. JUDGE THE AL HR KING!!! WHAT A STORY!!"
The rest of the country:
(yawn) Good for Judge, great season
I'm neither a Yankee fan nor the NE-centric media/ESPN. And I neither wanted to see every at bat nor yawned after the record was broken.
It was an outstanding, historic feat by an All-Star ballplayer. I thought it was cool that he did it, and I enjoyed watching the replays of it. He seems to be a good guy.
Is a person allowed to have that opinion, or do we only have extremes on Judge's accomplishment?
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I'm neither a Yankee fan nor the NE-centric media/ESPN. And I neither wanted to see every at bat nor yawned after the record was broken.
It was an outstanding, historic feat by an All-Star ballplayer. I thought it was cool that he did it, and I enjoyed watching the replays of it. He seems to be a good guy.
Is a person allowed to have that opinion, or do we only have extremes on Judge's accomplishment?
I don't think that's any different than what I expressed. The yawn was a dramatic counter to ESPN breathlessly showing every at bat or having some sort of Judge watch going.
There are people who really enjoy baseball who thought it was cool, and thats that. Which I think is in stark contrast to the other camp I mentioned that seem to be treating it in the same way the original 61 breaking was. To Hank Aaron breaking Ruth's record. To Bonds getting 73 and breaking Aaron's record. I think its none of that.
I'm truly intrigued to see how it would have been handled if it was Salvador Perez going for 62 in KC, or even Trout going for 62 in LA.
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It was an outstanding, historic feat by an All-Star ballplayer.
Hitting the seventh most home runs in a season is "historic?"
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I don't think that's any different than what I expressed. The yawn was a dramatic counter to ESPN breathlessly showing every at bat or having some sort of Judge watch going.
There are people who really enjoy baseball who thought it was cool, and thats that. Which I think is in stark contrast to the other camp I mentioned that seem to be treating it in the same way the original 61 breaking was. To Hank Aaron breaking Ruth's record. To Bonds getting 73 and breaking Aaron's record. I think its none of that.
I'm truly intrigued to see how it would have been handled if it was Salvador Perez going for 62 in KC, or even Trout going for 62 in LA.
On your latter line, we'll probably never know.
Speaking only for myself, I was more interested in Judge getting to 62 than I was in Bonds doing anything, because I knew Bonds was a fraud. Although I had suspicions about McGwire and Sosa, we simply were not as in the know in 1998, and I'll admit I thought that was an incredible show -- and it was feted nationally, even though neither was a Yankee.
Hitting the seventh most home runs in a season is "historic?"
Yes. You're allowed to disagree and minimize the achievement. It's nice that we all can opine freely.
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Not able to watch or listen, but I just noticed that Corbin Burnes was perfect through 3 today on 40 pitches when he was pulled. I totally get not running him out there very long - hell, woulda made sense to scratch him. But I'm kind of surprised that at that point, he didn't just pitch until the perfect game got spoiled.
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Not able to watch or listen, but I just noticed that Corbin Burnes was perfect through 3 today on 40 pitches when he was pulled. I totally get not running him out there very long - hell, woulda made sense to scratch him. But I'm kind of surprised that at that point, he didn't just pitch until the perfect game got spoiled.
I wonder if he had a contract incentive he was looking to hit and both sides agreed to pull him once that was met. Especially with the odds of a perfect game being a long shot only through 3 innings.
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Arraez >>> Judge
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Hitting the seventh most home runs in a season is "historic?"
7th most (and only the 9th time 60 was eclipsed) over the entire history of the AL and NL, spanning over 140 years, is historic. And doing so clean and being a good dude, not a surly a-hole whose teammates even disliked him like Bonds.
Kind of an amazing stat that a Yankees player has owned the AL HR record for the last 102 years. The last non-Yankee to hold the AL home record was Babe Ruth with the Red Sox in 1919.
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Trout with an absolute bomb today to get to 40.
Longest non Coors Park homer of the year.
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I know you are kidding, but the Brewers do alright. Top half of the league in average attendance.
My freshman year at MU, fall '65, the Brave's left Milwaukee; the whole town not to mention Wisconsin was livid. I could empathize with all the fans as I knew exactly how they all felt when the Dodgers and Giants left New York in '57. My room mate was from Fresno and a Dodger fan. The last 3 games played at County Stadium were against the Dodgers and the Braves still had a shot at the pennant only one game back. We paid 3 bucks for seats right behind the Dodger dug out. Only a few thousand in the stands all cheering for the Dodgers; Dodgers swept the series. My room mate got two signed baseballs, one by Koufax, and the other by Drysdale and they were glad to do it. Dodgers went on to beat the Twins in the WS that year.
One of my MU college year highlights.
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That’s how the sports world and sports media works. It isn’t Judge’s fault that his AL home run chase was so extensively covered by not only national sports media, but national morning, afternoon, evening news outlets etc….New York has a lot of people and a lot of fans there and elsewhere.
Two days ago Pujols hit his 703rd home run, and in the process surpasses Babe Ruth for 2nd all time in RBI’s. Obviously national coverage would have been much more extensive if he played in New York.
https://twitter.com/cardinals/status/1577089125223919616?s=21&t=ThT3ygJ2iYqcQLl528vfcA
Or even his last regular season game:
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That’s how the sports world and sports media works. It isn’t Judge’s fault that his AL home run chase was so extensively covered by not only national sports media, but national morning, afternoon, evening news outlets etc….New York has a lot of people and a lot of fans there and elsewhere.
Two days ago Pujols hit his 703rd home run, and in the process surpasses Babe Ruth for 2nd all time in RBI’s. Obviously national coverage would have been much more extensive if he played in New York.
https://twitter.com/cardinals/status/1577089125223919616?s=21&t=ThT3ygJ2iYqcQLl528vfcA
Or even his last regular season game:
And he wasn’t a roider and played for an organization known for cheating
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I wonder if he had a contract incentive he was looking to hit and both sides agreed to pull him once that was met. Especially with the odds of a perfect game being a long shot only through 3 innings.
Did he need to lock in the NL lead for Ks?
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And he wasn’t a roider and played for an organization known for cheating
I know it hurts. But I think next year could be the year for the Brewers. #ThisIsMyCrew
https://twitter.com/cardinals/status/1574977635490230279?s=21&t=ThT3ygJ2iYqcQLl528vfcA
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Sure, if they retool the bullpen, dump the dead weight on the roster, and spend some cash, aina?
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Their year for...what, exactly? They won the NLC last year. Albert got his roids back and the rest is history. Congrats.
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I know it hurts. But I think next year could be the year for the Brewers. #ThisIsMyCrew
https://twitter.com/cardinals/status/1574977635490230279?s=21&t=ThT3ygJ2iYqcQLl528vfcA
Sports losses only hurt for weak-minded fools who aren’t actively participating. It’s a fact they’re not in the playoffs like it’s a fact the Cardinals have a history of cheating
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Kind of an amazing stat that a Yankees player has owned the AL HR record for the last 102 years. The last non-Yankee to hold the AL home record was Babe Ruth with the Red Sox in 1919.
no kidding, didn't the AL juice when Bonds etc. did?
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Sports losses only hurt for weak-minded fools who aren’t actively participating. It’s a fact they’re not in the playoffs like it’s a fact the Cardinals have a history of cheating
I don't think there is a need to label yourself a weak minded fool. There's always next year.
https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/1575003680012587008?t=NqDKri9y8BmeL1IMBYC3Kg&s=19
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I don't think there is a need to label yourself a weak minded fool. There's always next year.
https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/1575003680012587008?t=NqDKri9y8BmeL1IMBYC3Kg&s=19
Kettle meets pot
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I wonder if he had a contract incentive he was looking to hit and both sides agreed to pull him once that was met. Especially with the odds of a perfect game being a long shot only through 3 innings.
from jsonline: Starter Corbin Burnes entered Wednesday's matinee against the Arizona Diamondbacks at American Family Field needing to pitch only one inning to reach the coveted 200-inning mark for the first time in his career.
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If the Steven Vogt story doesn't give you a head cold, than you are a cold hearted bastard.
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If the Steven Vogt story doesn't give you a head cold, than you are a cold hearted bastard.
He’ll be managing a big league team within the next 5-10 years.
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Does Christian Yelich have the worst contract in baseball right now? I’d say maybe Strasburg’s or Rendon’s are worse, but the Nats and Angels can afford to have a player on a long, bad contract while still pursuing other high-priced free agents. The Brewers, not so much. Yelich will be an albatross for years.
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Does Christian Yelich have the worst contract in baseball right now? I’d say maybe Strasburg’s or Rendon’s are worse, but the Nats and Angels can afford to have a player on a long, bad contract while still pursuing other high-priced free agents. The Brewers, not so much. Yelich will be an albatross for years.
He's not even top 10 worst. Strasburg, Miggy, Cano, Jackie Bradley Jr, Bumgarner, David Price. That's just off the top of my head. Hell, arent the cubs still paying Heyward? Yeli lost his power but he's still an above average starter.
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He's not even top 10 worst. Strasburg, Miggy, Cano, Jackie Bradley Jr, Bumgarner, David Price. That's just off the top of my head. Hell, arent the cubs still paying Heyward? Yeli lost his power but he's still an above average starter.
The Athletic's Jayson Stark just named Javy Baez the 2022 LVP. Baez still has something like $110 million left on his contract.
But that's a good contract compared to the $158 million Kris Bryant has left on his deal.
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He's not even top 10 worst. Strasburg, Miggy, Cano, Jackie Bradley Jr, Bumgarner, David Price. That's just off the top of my head. Hell, arent the cubs still paying Heyward? Yeli lost his power but he's still an above average starter.
Right now, in this very moment, I believe Yelich’s contract is the worst. Miggy’s contract is up next year (I think), and he’ll get a farewell tour a la Pujols, as he should. Price is an UFA next year. Bumgarner only has two years left on his deal. Bradley, near as I can tell, is also an UFA next year.
I’d compare Yelich’s contract to Heyward’s, with the caveat that the Cubs are a big market team that can afford a bad contract. What other small market team is committed to a player with Yelich’s years and money but probable lack of productivity?
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The Athletic's Jayson Stark just named Javy Baez the 2022 LVP. Baez still has something like $110 million left on his contract.
But that's a good contract compared to the $158 million Kris Bryant has left on his deal.
I’ll be very curious to see how those contracts play out. The question is, are those contracts as damaging to the Rockies and Tigers as Yelich’s is to the Brewers? The Tigers can open up the pocketbook if the window is open, and the Rockies…well, the Rockies suck and don’t seem to care if they make the playoffs or not. So yeah, maybe that one is just as bad. We’ll see.
One thing that’s sure, though: The Cubs were right to move on from that core. They’d be the mid-2010’s Phillies if they hadn’t.
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Right now, in this very moment, I believe Yelich’s contract is the worst. Miggy’s contract is up next year (I think), and he’ll get a farewell tour a la Pujols, as he should. Price is an UFA next year. Bumgarner only has two years left on his deal. Bradley, near as I can tell, is also an UFA next year.
I’d compare Yelich’s contract to Heyward’s, with the caveat that the Cubs are a big market team that can afford a bad contract. What other small market team is committed to a player with Yelich’s years and money but probable lack of productivity?
But again, the Brewers are getting an above average starter for their overpriced contract. A lot of these other contracts are getting bench quality players for theirs.
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MEPIB
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Miggy's contract was a reward for his MVP triple crown season. Under Mr. I and Dombrowski, the Tigers lavished big contracts in order to win a World Series. Too bad about the lack of team speed and bullpen.
Detroit shed all of the other big contracts over time. They signed Baez and Rodriguez last winter. Fail.
New guy in charge. It will be a fascinating offseason in Detroit. Miggy will be back.
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Yelich’s contract isn’t great, but like Braun’s, the market will catch up to it by the time it’s done. He’s still producing fine.
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Considering the Twins havent won a playoff game since 2004 and missed the playoffs I shouldnt talk.
But this Rays lineup today is an abomination for a playoff game. Wow.
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Yelich’s contract isn’t great, but like Braun’s, the market will catch up to it by the time it’s done. He’s still producing fine.
Nah, you're missing the point. For the Yankees or Dodgers, its chump change.
Attanasio, on the other hand, still has the first buck he got for losing a baby tooth.
Dude is handcuffed and can't compete, even for his own talent, like Burnes and Woody, hey?
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Congrats to the Guardians and their fans. Nice opening win.
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Such a rush to see vintage baseball return.
Dont follow some dumb set of analytics that dont take into account how pitchers are pitching in a current game and just let your aces battle.
Lets see if Cards Phillies do the same if Quintana and Wheeler stay sharp.
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https://twitter.com/meekphill_/status/1578452280353132544?s=46&t=HNtCauEQWzGQZAJhTcVp6A
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https://twitter.com/lewwww9344/status/1578454693734678528?s=46&t=HNtCauEQWzGQZAJhTcVp6A
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A game is not worthy of a Cardinals fan’s time until the NLCS. Otherwise it is just celebrating mediocrity.
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A game is not worthy of a Cardinals fan’s time until the NLCS. Otherwise it is just celebrating mediocrity.
Might be a Klan meeting today, too
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October baseball
That Arenado ball woulda been a homer even like a week ago.
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Glad it worked out, but that review on the Indians HR was so damn stupid. Once the ball leaves the park, the jog should be ceremonial. If you can declare an intentional walk and not throw pitches, this should be the same. Beyond silly.
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Cards are the one team to pull their starter when hes dealing.
Run into trouble trying to over extend the pen. Color me shocked.
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Cards are the one team to pull their starter when hes dealing.
Run into trouble trying to over extend the pen. Color me shocked.
Modern baseball. They aren’t unique
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Cards fans filing out QUICK!
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Cards fans filing out QUICK!
That meth ain’t going to cook itself
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What a clutch at-bat by Molina to end the game
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https://twitter.com/mlbonfox/status/1578495589423013888?s=46&t=HNtCauEQWzGQZAJhTcVp6A
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You’re all just jealous! Because your *insert team here* doesn’t have a championship pedigree!
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Modern baseball. They aren’t unique
Today they are.
Only team to prematurely go to the pen. Only team with a pen implosion of 3 games.
Today has been a lot of 10 years ago baseball. Let your horses try and win a game.
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Nah, you're missing the point. For the Yankees or Dodgers, its chump change.
Attanasio, on the other hand, still has the first buck he got for losing a baby tooth.
Dude is handcuffed and can't compete, even for his own talent, like Burnes and Woody, hey?
I completely understand the point. These contracts are risky for organizations like the Brewers. This isn't going to play out as they wanted but it is far from the worst contract in baseball.
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Go mariners, imo.
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It wasn’t quite G6 2003 NLCS, but that was an impressive choke-a-thon by Team Toasted Ravioli.
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Supply chain issue foe PEDs
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Will the Cardinals have a sellout today for a potential elimination game or does parole limitations keep the crowd down?
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Guardians-Rays game quit serving beer hours ago. Brutal
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Will the Cardinals have a sellout today for a potential elimination game or does parole limitations keep the crowd down?
A lot of fans are on pilgrimage to Yadi’s hometown. I hear through the grapevine that goat sacrifices are on the schedule.
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Toronto collapsing. Wow.
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Toronto collapsing. Wow.
I like the Jays as a team but then I remember their fans are the same people that are Raptors fans, so the collapse is fun.
Dumb play by Springer. Infielders should be going all out for that ball. Springer should be keeping that ball in front and making sure you still have a 1 run lead after that at bat.
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First two games today made history.
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So are Cardinals fans the self proclaimed “best fans in baseball” because of things like giving a starter who went 4 1/3 innings, leaving runners on the corner with one out and leaving with an 0-1 deficit a standing ovation? Okay start, but you didn’t make it through the fifth inning and they’re treating it like a starter who’s perfect through 7 but has 105 pitches being pulled after the leadoff hitter in the 8th singles.
I went to a game at Busch in August and they gave a guy a standing ovation until he got a curtain call for a random home run. No sort of milestone, no late game clutch home run. Just your standard homer, treating it like he set the AL home run record.
They sure do understand the game better than I do.
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So are Cardinals fans the self proclaimed “best fans in baseball” because of things like giving a starter who went 4 1/3 innings, leaving runners on the corner with one out and leaving with an 0-1 deficit a standing ovation? Okay start, but you didn’t make it through the fifth inning and they’re treating it like a starter who’s perfect through 7 but has 105 pitches being pulled after the leadoff hitter in the 8th singles.
I went to a game at Busch in August and they gave a guy a standing ovation until he got a curtain call for a random home run. No sort of milestone, no late game clutch home run. Just your standard homer, treating it like he set the AL home run record.
They sure do understand the game better than I do.
St Louis meth is made with provel.
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Aw shucks.
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I know it hurts. But I think next year could be the year for the Brewers. #ThisIsMyCrew
https://twitter.com/cardinals/status/1574977635490230279?s=21&t=ThT3ygJ2iYqcQLl528vfcA
I don't think there is a need to label yourself a weak minded fool. There's always next year.
https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/1575003680012587008?t=NqDKri9y8BmeL1IMBYC3Kg&s=19
Hope you enjoyed those two extra games.
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https://twitter.com/bestfansstlouis/status/778375343686164480?s=46&t=qO2Q83W-7gaXL_nnwcU8Kw
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I had no real rooting interest in the St. Louis-Philly series. I will say that I found Cardinal fans more irksome than Philly fans and ended up enjoying the result.
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I had no real rooting interest in the St. Louis-Philly series. I will say that I found Cardinal fans more irksome than Philly fans and ended up enjoying the result.
I never thought I would see the day where a team has worse fans than Philly, but you are correct, sir.
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I never thought I would see the day where a team has worse fans than Philly, but you are correct, sir.
The ones that come to Milwaukee are arrogant, rude and obnoxious and that’s just the female Cardinal fans
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https://twitter.com/bestfansstlouis/status/778375343686164480?s=46&t=qO2Q83W-7gaXL_nnwcU8Kw
Very fine people.
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Showalter trying to upset Musgrove's rhythm. Seems to have failed
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Makes a huge mistake letting Soto hit. The purpose of the sac bunt was to eliminate the double play to guarantee Soto gets to the plate.
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At long last the NY media is beginning to realize that Buck is not Sparky Anderson.
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At long last the NY media is beginning to realize that Buck is not Sparky Anderson.
Do season ending collapses look familiar?
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Cleveland is playing great ball. I could see them beating the Yanks. I don't know if Seattle is that good or Toronto is that bad but that 10-9 come from behind win was impressive. Houston better watch out. Anything can happen but the Dodgers look unstoppable. I am going with the Dodgers to take it all.
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Mariners torching Verlander, baseball's best pitcher this season.
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Wow!
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Scott Servais should be fired on the spot.
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Scott Servais should be fired on the spot.
Why?
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Scott Servais should be fired on the spot.
I mean, he managed them to back to back 90 win seasons for the first time in 20 years, so pump the brakes.
But bringing in a cold starter to face a strong team's best hitter...who then pitches right at him...is a choice.
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Probably pulling for the Yankees. Glad Matt Carpentar is finally playing in front of baseball’s best fans
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Why?
Because that was a horrendously awful decision that defied any sort of logic and what got the Mariners to the playoffs in the first place
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Scott Servais should be fired on the spot.
I wasn't stunned that Servais brought in Ray there because managers do this kind of thing all the time in the postseason, but I was pretty darn surprised that Ray threw 2 of the exact same pitches in the exact same zone to a great hitter who murders fastballs. Servais runs the team, and he is a former catcher. He and the pitching coach no doubt drew up a game plan to go after each Astro batter. And Servais was the last to give Ray instructions before Ray started work. So you're right that it reflects poorly on Servais.
Alvarez is a tremendous hitter and he might have hit any pitcher throwing any pitch in that situation. But he sure as hell was gonna hit a fastball right down the middle -- the exact same pitch as the one before that he had a great cut at and fouled off.
The Mariners knocked Verlander out of the game and most of the team deserved better. The loss is on Ray, the pitching coach and the manager.
And credit the Astros for hanging in the game, Baker for keeping their spirits up (he has flaws as a manager, but he's great at that), and of course Alvarez for delivering (and the previous batter, Pena, for coming through with a 2-strike hit that made Servais think he had to bring in Ray).
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Scott Servais should be fired on the spot.
I think you've called for just about everybody to be fired this year. It is your go-to line.
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I think you've called for just about everybody to be fired this year. It is your go-to line.
Your go to is getting bodied by everyone on here.
I'll stick to knowing sports.
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I wasn't stunned that Servais brought in Ray there because managers do this kind of thing all the time in the postseason, but I was pretty darn surprised that Ray threw 2 of the exact same pitches in the exact same zone to a great hitter who murders fastballs. Servais runs the team, and he is a former catcher. He and the pitching coach no doubt drew up a game plan to go after each Astro batter. And Servais was the last to give Ray instructions before Ray started work. So you're right that it reflects poorly on Servais.
Alvarez is a tremendous hitter and he might have hit any pitcher throwing any pitch in that situation. But he sure as hell was gonna hit a fastball right down the middle -- the exact same pitch as the one before that he had a great cut at and fouled off.
The Mariners knocked Verlander out of the game and most of the team deserved better. The loss is on Ray, the pitching coach and the manager.
And credit the Astros for hanging in the game, Baker for keeping their spirits up (he has flaws as a manager, but he's great at that), and of course Alvarez for delivering (and the previous batter, Pena, for coming through with a 2-strike hit that made Servais think he had to bring in Ray).
Correct the them in baseball is its the one sport where teams/coaches just flat out stop doing what got them to the playoffs and do things that they would never, ever do it the regular season.
This move was non sensical on every level.
1. There is no platoon edge with Alvarez he mashes lefties and actually hits for a higher average against them.
2. Ray throws meatballs, all the time. Third in the MLB in homers.
3. Ray is a fast ball pitcher and Alvarez was literally the 2nd best hitter in baseball on heaters
4. Ray has zero experience in relief
5. Ray just pitched Saturday.
6. Ray sucked on saturday. And he sucked his last 5 starts of the season.
7. They had their CLOSER in, pitching in his literal role on the team. To let a guy who isnt pitching well, isnt a good match up pitch in a role that........isnt his role.
8. For good measure. The Astros flat out owned Ray this year.
Woulda been a smarter move to just walk the tying run into scoring position and put the winning runner on 1B and face Bregman than let Ray face Alvarez. And no, I dont like that move either. But anything was better than Ray.
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Playoffs. This...Has happened only twice in MLB postseason history:
Two out
Bottom of the ninth.
Home team down and facing their last out:
1) October 15, 1988, at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles (Game 1 1988 WS A's/Dodgers)....Vin Scully.."And look who's coming up!" ...
Kirk Gibson blasts a 2 run game winning walk off homer : SEE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nwMDZYXTI
2) October 11, 2022, at Minute Maid Park in Houston (Game 1 2022 ALDS Mariners/Astros) ...Mariners come off a historic comeback wild card sweep down 7 to Toronto and then in this game continue the momentum, by chasing likely 2022 Cy young winner Justin Verlander for 6 runs, leading most of the game by 4 runs. Bottom of the 9th, down 7-5, Astros David Hensley, the rookie of just one month in MLB, who got the last roster spot (for his extra bat) battles to a 3-2 HBP. Down to their last out, Astros Rookie Jeremy Pena, in his first playoff game, punches a single. Two on Two out. The Mariners bring in Robbie Ray, 2021 Cy Young winner ....and he gives up to Yordan Alvarez an 0-1 fastball 438 foot 3 run game winning walk off homer SEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UChjHEMLcIg
How can you not love baseball
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Correct the them in baseball is its the one sport where teams/coaches just flat out stop doing what got them to the playoffs and do things that they would never, ever do it the regular season.
This move was non sensical on every level.
1. There is no platoon edge with Alvarez he mashes lefties and actually hits for a higher average against them.
2. Ray throws meatballs, all the time. Third in the MLB in homers.
3. Ray is a fast ball pitcher and Alvarez was literally the 2nd best hitter in baseball on heaters
4. Ray has zero experience in relief
5. Ray just pitched Saturday.
6. Ray sucked on saturday. And he sucked his last 5 starts of the season.
7. They had their CLOSER in, pitching in his literal role on the team. To let a guy who isnt pitching well, isnt a good match up pitch in a role that........isnt his role.
8. For good measure. The Astros flat out owned Ray this year.
Woulda been a smarter move to just walk the tying run into scoring position and put the winning runner on 1B and face Bregman than let Ray face Alvarez. And no, I dont like that move either. But anything was better than Ray.
So what you’re saying is it wasn’t very good by the Mariners, right?
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Scott Servais should be fired on the spot.
Well, at least you aren't calling his execution.
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Whoever decided the Braves should swing at every pitch Zack Wheeler throws and continually hit weak pop ups and grounders, should not game plan ever again.
Day after a meh bullpen has to pitch nearly 7 innings. You allow that teams ace to get through 3 innings on 10 pitches an inning.
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Whoever decided the Braves should swing at every pitch Zack Wheeler throws and continually hit weak pop ups and grounders, should not game plan ever again.
Day after a meh bullpen has to pitch nearly 7 innings. You allow that teams ace to get through 3 innings on 10 pitches an inning.
Maybe you should call for the manager to be fired.
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These are the good managers. The ones who made playoffs. It isn't like there is a glut of unknowns who can swoop in and do better.
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Maybe you should call for the manager to be fired.
Maybe you should jump in front of a speeding car.
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Dodgers squandering major chances through 7.
I know Taylor is on the roster but not sure what his full health is like. Thompson has at least one more at bat(projected at least) tonight to do a heel turn.
But I think LA should get Taylor back in the lineup. Down year, but guy is really experienced in the playoffs and has been a really solid performer this time of year. Thompson in small sample size isnt look great so far.
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Dodgers squandering major chances through 7.
I know Taylor is on the roster but not sure what his full health is like. Thompson has at least one more at bat(projected at least) tonight to do a heel turn.
But I think LA should get Taylor back in the lineup. Down year, but guy is really experienced in the playoffs and has been a really solid performer this time of year. Thompson in small sample size isnt look great so far.
Yikes. That looked like a serious miscue.. Whoops.
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Hopefully that🦆gets off the field safely.
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Dodgers squandering major chances through 7.
I know Taylor is on the roster but not sure what his full health is like. Thompson has at least one more at bat(projected at least) tonight to do a heel turn.
But I think LA should get Taylor back in the lineup. Down year, but guy is really experienced in the playoffs and has been a really solid performer this time of year. Thompson in small sample size isnt look great so far.
Trayce vs Hader right here with a chance to tie the game.
Could make that small sample size completely irrelevent.
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Chris Taylor must not be healthy. Bring in Barnes there is not something they would normally do even if verducci devil advocated it with the high fast ball of Hader.
A healthy CT hits there 100%. Kinda curious why hes on the roster though.
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Chris Taylor must not be healthy. Bring in Barnes there is not something they would normally do even if verducci devil advocated it with the high fast ball of Hader.
A healthy CT hits there 100%. Kinda curious why hes on the roster though.
Yeah, I agree. I read that his neck stiffness acts up when he swings. I wonder if its somehow not as bad playing the field, so maybe he's just there as a defensive replacement?
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Unclutch Carlos Correa headed to FA.
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Whoever decided the Braves should swing at every pitch Zack Wheeler throws and continually hit weak pop ups and grounders, should not game plan ever again.
Day after a meh bullpen has to pitch nearly 7 innings. You allow that teams ace to get through 3 innings on 10 pitches an inning.
Smart hitters swing at 1st pitch strikes. Smart managers tell their hitters to do so. Especially for a guy who throws a lot of fastballs. Taking a first pitch strike opens the door to an 0-2 count where a hitter is basically dead in the water. He'll see nothing but sinkers and sliders off the plate then - very little chance to get a hit.
Major league hitters, as a whole, average about a .360 wOBA after 1-0 counts and a .270 wOBA after 0-1 counts. That is why you swing at first pitch strikes - always.
Pitch count totals are basically irrelevant for top starting pitchers.
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Yeah, I agree. I read that his neck stiffness acts up when he swings. I wonder if its somehow not as bad playing the field, so maybe he's just there as a defensive replacement?
According to Roberts I guess it was just a odd call to go to Barnes. He liked the high heat match up. Dont agree with it when you stack Taylor up against Barnes.
Taylor supposedly starting game 3. If hes not too rusty I think thats the right call. Since Snell is starting im curious if maybe the one replaced is Belly or Lux and not Thompson though.
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RIP Bruce Sutter
https://nypost.com/2022/10/14/bruce-sutter-hall-of-fame-pitcher-and-world-series-champ-dead-at-69/
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RIP Bruce Sutter
https://nypost.com/2022/10/14/bruce-sutter-hall-of-fame-pitcher-and-world-series-champ-dead-at-69/
One has to think the Cardinals epic choke job in the playoffs killed him.
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One has to think the Cardinals epic choke job in the playoffs killed him.
Or smoking in the dugout...
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Or smoking in the dugout...
Just because the surgeon general says smoking kills you doesn’t mean it’s true
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RIP Bruce Sutter
https://nypost.com/2022/10/14/bruce-sutter-hall-of-fame-pitcher-and-world-series-champ-dead-at-69/
https://twitter.com/ackerman1120/status/1580967358545661952?s=21&t=28uiWEfAiFiXFTTaMJ5h5A
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I remember watching him on WGN on weekday afternoons. Great splitter.
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RIP Bruce Sutter
https://nypost.com/2022/10/14/bruce-sutter-hall-of-fame-pitcher-and-world-series-champ-dead-at-69/
"He was dead to me when he had a STL cap on his HOF plaque."-signed all long suffering Cubs fans
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"He was dead to me when he had a STL cap on his HOF plaque."-signed all long suffering Cubs fans
Ryne Sandberg disagrees.
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The moment Cortes was done after 5 in a tie game.
The live bet of Guardians was pound city. That pen was not gonna lose that duel.
Yanks had to go the starter route and per usual, fail.
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The moment Cortes was done after 5 in a tie game.
The live bet of Guardians was pound city. That pen was not gonna lose that duel.
Yanks had to go the starter route and per usual, fail.
They lost in extras. You act like every decision a manager makes causes the wheels to fall off. He threw 92 pitches. He averaged 87 pitches per start.
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They lost in extras. You act like every decision a manager makes causes the wheels to fall off. He threw 92 pitches. He averaged 87 pitches per start.
huh??
I didnt say pulling Cortes was a bad decision.
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That is some bullpen the Padres have put together. Great job by their coaching staff getting Hader straightened out.
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Attanasio gave him away for nothin', hey?
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Attanasio gave him away for nothin', hey?
Some fans were calling for the Brewers to trade Hader's azz for a box of rox, so what do you expect?
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Thinkin' a punch and Judy hitter woulda bin fare compensation, aina?
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Padres have clearly won both the Grisham and Hader trade. Who will they fleece us on next?
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Padres have clearly won both the Grisham and Hader trade. Who will they fleece us on next?
How have they won the Grisham trade?
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Padres have clearly won both the Grisham and Hader trade. Who will they fleece us on next?
Depends on whose contract he wants to dump next, hey?
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Crazy to think of a possible Padres/Phillies NLCS. Most of September, both teams were sputtering.
Baseball happens.
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How have they won the Grisham trade?
Yeah that’s a weird statement. Urias has been better than Grisham and Lauer was a steal over Davies.
But I guess Grisham had a good playoff game three years later. 🙄
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Yeah that’s a weird statement. Urias has been better than Grisham and Lauer was a steal over Davies.
But I guess Grisham had a good playoff game three years later. 🙄
Right. Grisham has gotten hot for a 4 game playoff sample size. After hitting well below .200 the entire season.
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My son surprised me with Guardians tickets tonight. Can’t wait! It’s nice having kids who earn their own money (and spend it on you).
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Was mainly joking about Grisham based on the home run but Urias has been pretty meh. Lauer has probably turned out to be the best player in trade.
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I am kind of missing starting with a runner on second in extra innings.
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Turned it off after 13, watched an entire episode of andor, and we’re no closer to a winner.
Impressed with the amount of fans still there.
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Turned it off after 13, watched an entire episode of andor, and we’re no closer to a winner.
Impressed with the amount of fans still there.
Beer sales cut off after 7. Man, that’s rough
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A run!
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Peña also had the big hit preceding Alvarez’s winning HR the other night.
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Whew! One hates to watch a zero zero 18 inning contest end in a victory walkoff for Seattle, esp with another game there on Sunday.
In recent years the Astros have only been 8-6 in closing out the other team in elimination games. This is a nice win.
It lets us rest a bit and reset our starters, in order, for the ALCS starting on Wednesday. We are Rooting for Guardians/Yanks to go the full 5. No real rooting for one team over the other to meet us in the next series, (although meeting and beating the yankees is always a special pleasure).
Six ALCS series in a row is very special. I am long enough in the tooth to know I wont see the likes of this again in my remaining years.
I would like to see MU in F4 once more before leaving this mortal coil
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Wow. That was rather clutch.
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Mariano Rivera isn’t walking through that door.
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My son surprised me with Guardians tickets tonight. Can’t wait! It’s nice having kids who earn their own money (and spend it on you).
Decent one to be at.
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The Padres may have blown their chance right there. Two crappy at bats with 1st and 3rd and no outs?
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I guess that's a moot point! Wow! It would be awesome if San Diego pulls this off.
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Gosh, the Braves and Dodgers are gone. Soon, hopefully, the Yankees will be too!
The only real super-team left is the Astros and the way things are going, it would be nice to see the Guardians dispatch them too!
Imagine a Padres/Guardians World Series. I think Fox would dispatch that to FS8 or something!
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Gosh, the Braves and Dodgers are gone. Soon, hopefully, the Yankees will be too!
The only real super-team left is the Astros and the way things are going, it would be nice to see the Guardians dispatch them too!
Imagine a Padres/Guardians World Series. I think Fox would dispatch that to FS8 or something!
Any Teams but St. Louis are fine
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Decent one to be at.
It was really a good time and will be a great memory for us. We had SRO tickets and it is so interesting how a group of strangers -- both Guardians and Yankees fans -- can become a community over the course of four hours. I love sports.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfKQZuFX0AIUqdM?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Gosh, the Braves and Dodgers are gone. Soon, hopefully, the Yankees will be too!
The only real super-team left is the Astros and the way things are going, it would be nice to see the Guardians dispatch them too!
Imagine a Padres/Guardians World Series. I think Fox would dispatch that to FS8 or something!
Thanks for acting with dispatch in posting your dispatch, ....
although any claim that the Guardians or Yankees will dispatch the Astros in the ALCS should be quickly dispatched, ...
as I would only expect to see such a crazy post/dispatch in the St Louis Post-Dispatch.
To appreciate the chronicle of this really super team advancing to its sixth straight ALCS, you should read the Houston Chronicle.
https://www.chron.com/
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I'm not much of a baseball guy but it didn't make sense to me that thre Dodgers pulled their starter at the end of the 5th inning. I think he had like 85 pitches, allowed 4 hits, and was in complete control.
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I'm not much of a baseball guy but it didn't make sense to me that thre Dodgers pulled their starter at the end of the 5th inning. I think he had like 85 pitches, allowed 4 hits, and was in complete control.
The wussification of baseball.
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Sports losses only hurt for weak-minded fools who aren’t actively participating. It’s a fact they’re not in the playoffs like it’s a fact the Cardinals have a history of cheating
16 posts in a week later, lol. Pobrecito, Sé que duele. Sé que duele.
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16 posts in a week later, lol. Pobrecito, Sé que duele. Sé que duele.
Pretty quiet this past week. Someone was certainly hurt
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Pretty quiet this past week. Someone was certainly hurt
Lol, nope. Just trying to keep up with your posts. I think the Cardinals have been spoiling MLB fans since the 1800’s. I have no interest or need to lash out against the Phillies or any other team or place. There’s always next year for the Brewers.
17.
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Lol, nope. Just trying to keep up with your posts. I think the Cardinals have been spoiling MLB fans since the 1800’s. I have no interest or need to lash out against the Phillies or any other team or place. There’s always next year for the Brewers.
17.
Mhm
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Lol, nope. Just trying to keep up with your posts. I think the Cardinals have been spoiling MLB fans since the 1800’s. I have no interest or need to lash out against the Phillies or any other team or place. There’s always next year for the Brewers.
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The guy who’s never missed responding to a post that has had anything to do with St. Louis ever is suddenly having trouble keeping up after Yadi, Pujols, Wayno and company choke away their last roiding season together.
Convenient.
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The guy who’s never missed responding to a post that has had anything to do with St. Louis ever is suddenly having trouble keeping up after Yadi, Pujols, Wayno and company choke away their last roiding season together.
Convenient.
By that alternative facts logic like many of your other posts, I wouldn’t have responded at all. Some of us get a little busy from time to time. Here I am, still not lashing out against other teams or cities. It must be painful.
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Such a rush to see vintage baseball return.
Dont follow some dumb set of analytics that dont take into account how pitchers are pitching in a current game and just let your aces battle.
Lets see if Cards Phillies do the same if Quintana and Wheeler stay sharp.
Actual baseball discussion…it never had a chance here. That’s too bad.
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The guy who’s never missed responding to a post that has had anything to do with St. Louis ever is suddenly having trouble keeping up after Yadi, Pujols, Wayno and company choke away their last roiding season together.
Convenient.
At least Wainwright has more time to get his defense for his role in January 6th finalized
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At least Wainwright has more time to get his defense for his role in January 6th finalized
18 lashing out posts against the Cardinals or St. Louis since the season ended. Will there be a 19th? We want 19 clap-clap-clap-clap-clap. Let’s just post this list as interchangeable for the same few posters. Dgies thinks everyone here is a Cubs fan anyway.
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The guy who’s never missed responding to a post that has had anything to do with St. Louis ever is suddenly having trouble keeping up after Yadi, Pujols, Wayno and company choke away their last roiding season together.
Convenient.
OK, what can I say.
As a Cardinals fan, I was sad to see them exit. As a baseball fan, when a team doesn't hit and poorly manages its pitching staff, the team loses. The Cardinals simply sucked when it mattered.
You guys certainly would not waste any time reminding me of the Cardinals' poor performance, so I've been reluctant to jump in and pile on the obvious.
Here's to getting Flaherty back and solving the outfdield woes!
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18 lashing out posts against the Cardinals or St. Louis since the season ended. Will there be a 19th? We want 19 clap-clap-clap-clap-clap. Let’s just post this list as interchangeable for the same few posters. Dgies thinks everyone here is a Cubs fan anyway.
Yes, St. Louis sucks
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Actual baseball discussion…it never had a chance here. That’s too bad.
LOL, you are whining about the discussion here by quoting a post that's *11* days old? That you weren't here to actually participate in?
You are trying REALLY hard.
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Yes, St. Louis sucks
Look, they have nothing really to look forward to until spring training comes around... Maybe we should cut them a break.
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LOL, you are whining about the discussion here by quoting a post that's *11* days old? That you weren't here to actually participate in?
You are trying REALLY hard.
You have Eight Thousand One Hundred and Eleven Posts. (and that’s just one of your user names)
Lol. Wow.
It takes some others a few days sometimes to catch up to posts and threads.
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You have Eight Thousand One Hundred and Eleven Posts. (and that’s just one of your user names)
Lol. Wow.
It takes some others a few days sometimes to catch up to posts and threads.
You are trying REALLY hard.
But not succeeding...
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18 lashing out posts against the Cardinals or St. Louis since the season ended. Will there be a 19th? We want 19 clap-clap-clap-clap-clap. Let’s just post this list as interchangeable for the same few posters. Dgies thinks everyone here is a Cubs fan anyway.
You seem really busy! Easy to see how you fell so far behind. It was so dang busy in this thread.
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You seem really busy! Easy to see how you fell so far behind. It was so dang busy in this thread.
I’m surprised he’s so busy with 3 hrs./night recently freeing up.
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At least Wainwright has more time to get his defense for his role in January 6th finalized
Do tell.
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I’m surprised he’s so busy with 3 hrs./night recently freeing up.
Based on Cardinals playoffs attendance, has he?
Anyway, Yankees-Guardians tonight. Can baseball’s real best fans help the Yankers? Will their bullpen falter again? Can the Guardians win another playoff series against the Yankers? We will see as baseball’s most historic and greatest franchise takes on baseball’s franchise with the longest World Series title drought.
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Anyway, Yankees-Guardians tonight. Can baseball’s real best fans help the Yankers? Will their bullpen falter again? Can the Guardians win another playoff series against the Yankers? We will see as baseball’s most historic and greatest franchise takes on baseball’s franchise with the longest World Series title drought.
Pitching Nasty Nestor on short rest is a bold choice. He hasn't been quite as good generally in the second half and he had very middling stuff while throwing 92 pitches on the 14th. I don't think Taillon is a world beater or anything, but considering whoever they send out is going to have a short leash, I think I'd opt for hoping for good Taillon.
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Do tell.
Same half a dozen people and you dying to be one of the fellas. Lol.
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Same half a dozen people and you dying to be one of the fellas. Lol.
Wut?
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Pretty mind blowing they let Civale start that game vs the top of the Yanks order. Basically was suicide.
Bullpen, Bieber, Cliff Lee, 400 lb pound CC, the wife of a front office staff member.
Anything else would have been acceptable
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Schwarber hurt that baseball.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9M_fWNFU4g
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What a tough break for Snell.
soft hits to start the huge inning.
Brutal sun and balls finds brutal fielder in Soto so of course he loses it.
Profar then lets one drop and cant even blame the sun because he was such a bum that he didnt even try to run in to catch it rather easy.
1B Drury cant field a routine grounder that 1 stops a run and may even turn two.
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Avoid Snell on Fantasy next year. Regularly takes 22-25 seconds between pitches.
We’ll see which guys adjust best.
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Big props to Melvin not yanking Snell too early in this one when it was clearly not on him.
Got them through 3 more innings.
Pads bats are alive as fu ck right now. Hell of an environment.
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Smoltz may be the best TV analyst regardless of sport.
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Smoltz may be the best TV analyst regardless of sport.
Too bad he hates baseball
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A shame that the Brewers couldn’t figure out what was wrong with Hader and correct it, as the Padres obviously did.
Fire Budenholzer’s azz!
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Dude neva threw 100 mph here. Pretty simple, Attanasio didant wanna fork over da sheckels. Peddle Mark's ass, hey?
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This umps strike zone is getting bigger and bigger.
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This umps strike zone is getting bigger and bigger.
Yeah, the next time a youth baseball coach questions one of my calls, I'm just gonna say, "Did you see the big-league home-plate umpire last night? Those guys are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, and it's the league championship series so they are supposed to be the best of the best. And they still miss a dozen ball/strike calls a game. So cut this broken-down, working-for-peanuts, youth-league ump some slack!"
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I always liked the youth umpires who said at the start... 'we are going to move it along today. Tell your kids the strike zone is the chalk. If it is close, it is a strike. I don't feel like watching a walk-fest. Swing the bats.'
The stakes are a little different, obviously, though you might not know it by listening to the parents.
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I always liked the youth umpires who said at the start... 'we are going to move it along today. Tell your kids the strike zone is the chalk. If it is close, it is a strike. I don't feel like watching a walk-fest. Swing the bats.'
The stakes are a little different, obviously, though you might not know it by listening to the parents.
Oh, yeah. When I umped 8-9 year-old baseball, my zone was huge. Only one coach complained and it was the one who didn’t have an actual kid in the league.
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I coached that age. You tell the kids over and over to swing if it is close, that they have been warned. And then the same look of disbelief when the umpire does exactly what he said he was going to do. (shrug)
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I always liked the youth umpires who said at the start... 'we are going to move it along today. Tell your kids the strike zone is the chalk. If it is close, it is a strike. I don't feel like watching a walk-fest. Swing the bats.'
The stakes are a little different, obviously, though you might not know it by listening to the parents.
Yep, I use the batter's box lines. If it's between the lines, it's a strike ... and every coach knows it. Obviously high and low are more subjective.
Oh, yeah. When I umped 8-9 year-old baseball, my zone was huge. Only one coach complained and it was the one who didn’t have an actual kid in the league.
My strike zone gets REAL big in a lopsided game. I had one last week (11-12 year olds) where one team was killing the other and we only needed to get through the 4th inning for it to be mercy-ruled. The best player is in the box in the top of the 4th. The first 3 pitches aren't close, so it's 3-0. The next one is a little inside and about shoulder high, and I call it a strike. The kid says, "Really?" And I say, "You don't want to walk. You want to hit." He swings at the next pitch, hits a double into the gap. As he stands on second base, he smiles, gives me the thumbs-up and says, "Thanks!"
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Yeah, the next time a youth baseball coach questions one of my calls, I'm just gonna say, "Did you see the big-league home-plate umpire last night? Those guys are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, and it's the league championship series so they are supposed to be the best of the best. And they still miss a dozen ball/strike calls a game. So cut this broken-down, working-for-peanuts, youth-league ump some slack!"
I still laugh about the time I saw parents in an 12U volleyball match complaining about the ref...who happened to have been the only US Volleyball ref working the Rio Olympics (and was R2 in the Women's Gold Medal Match).
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A shame that the Brewers couldn’t figure out what was wrong with Hader and correct it, as the Padres obviously did.
Fire Budenholzer’s azz!
I think you put your sports in a blender
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I think he knows and was making a funny.
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I think he knows and was making a "funny."
FIFY
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Did you?
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I still laugh about the time I saw parents in an 12U volleyball match complaining about the ref...who happened to have been the only US Volleyball ref working the Rio Olympics (and was R2 in the Women's Gold Medal Match).
Perfect.
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Altuve needs to grow a pair and lay the guy out.
Think Monica Seles.
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Houston Astros bench coach Joe Espada has reportedly been named Chicago White Sox manager for 2023.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/report-houston-astros-bench-coach-joe-espada-named-manager-of-chicago-white-sox/ar-AA13eHv7?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=9db887983dc04f1eb2b4c4a9d44721af
I am an avid Astros fan, and we will greatly miss Joe. Dusty is the elderly CEO and tone setter for this club. Joe is the tune player...every note, every detail is attended to with intensity, detail and focus. A huge coaching key to our recent success.
Best Astros bench coach since Alex Cora (and without Cora's fatal flaw of a willingness to cheat, ...add Carlos Beltran here too-- Mets fans)
Joe is respected and listened to by Vets here, and remains aware at all times of the younger players issues or what they need work on
He managed during some COVID time for Dusty. He isnt yet hip and comfortable with the press but that should be way down the list anyway. Joe is ready to be a really good manager for y'all
Our sincere congrats to the White Sox. We think you got a really good one there. Best of luck and success, Joe.
BTW News broke also that Rangers hired Bruce Bochy. This should be a good fit, assuming Bochy is re-energized and fully engaged. Texas should be getting better.
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padres coach is going to get some serious chit and for good reason.
they trade for the best reliever in MLB and he saves him for the 9th?? keeps suarez in to give up big kahuna and there ain't no 9th. sends hader off to an early off season
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Brewers clearly ran into a buzzsaw trying to catch the Phillies.
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You knew the Phillies were serious when they overcame Yadier Molina
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The one guy you don’t let beat you. C’mon, Melvin.
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Are you kidding? The Phillies were swept by the Cubs on September 29. Later that evening, the Brewers started a series with Miami at home and promptly went 1-3. The Brewers had every opportunity to pressure the Phillies, but couldn't manage it at all.
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Are you kidding? The Phillies were swept by the Cubs on September 29. Later that evening, the Brewers started a series with Miami at home and promptly went 1-3. The Brewers had every opportunity to pressure the Phillies, but couldn't manage it at all.
Yes, I was kidding
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Will the steak continue? Brewers have been eliminated by the eventual champion for how many years now?
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Yankees botch a DP grounder in the 7th ... and Alvarez makes 'em pay with a game-tying single.
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Good for Dusty Baker, one of the real good guys in baseball. I’m rooting for him to win it all.
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Good for Dusty Baker, one of the real good guys in baseball. I’m rooting for him to win it all.
Agree100%.
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Good for Dusty Baker, one of the real good guys in baseball. I’m rooting for him to win it all.
Maybe he wins the WS, retires and goes off with the sunset.
Dusty is 73, in his final contract year, as is GM James Click, and neither have worked out any extensions for 2023.
BTW,
Sweeping the Yanks feels especially good
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Houston Astros bench coach Joe Espada has reportedly been named Chicago White Sox manager for 2023.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/report-houston-astros-bench-coach-joe-espada-named-manager-of-chicago-white-sox/ar-AA13eHv7?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=9db887983dc04f1eb2b4c4a9d44721af
I am an avid Astros fan, and we will greatly miss Joe. Dusty is the elderly CEO and tone setter for this club. Joe is the tune player...every note, every detail is attended to with intensity, detail and focus. A huge coaching key to our recent success.
Best Astros bench coach since Alex Cora (and without Cora's fatal flaw of a willingness to cheat, ...add Carlos Beltran here too-- Mets fans)
Joe is respected and listened to by Vets here, and remains aware at all times of the younger players issues or what they need work on
He managed during some COVID time for Dusty. He isnt yet hip and comfortable with the press but that should be way down the list anyway. Joe is ready to be a really good manager for y'all
Our sincere congrats to the White Sox. We think you got a really good one there. Best of luck and success, Joe.
BTW News broke also that Rangers hired Bruce Bochy. This should be a good fit, assuming Bochy is re-energized and fully engaged. Texas should be getting better.
I don’t think so.
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What a contrast in recent MVPs.
Bryce Harper, the 2021 NL MVP, has been unconscious. Batting .420 in the playoffs, slugging over .900 with 5 HRs and 11 RBIs, many at huge moments. That GW HR last night was storybook.
Meanwhile, Judge, after an incredible season, on the eve of a monster contract, was BREATHTAKINGLY bad in the postseason. Including a special 1 for 16, 0 RBI performance in the ALCS.
Ive got nothing against Judge personally, but it absolutely seems like the pressure of the chase and the moment got to him. Even before the playoffs, in his last 15 games of the season, after reaching 60, he hit .230 with 3 RBIs. And then the last 2 series. Its all interesting as a team prepares to hand him the keys to Scrooge McDuck's vault
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Yankees were a blah team. A hot two months to start the season and then 4 months of being the White Sox.
Speaking of the Sox, I won’t be surprised if they screw up the manager search. I’m almost expecting Ozzie or Thome.
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Why are the Yankees so good?
They have allowed an unearned run in TWO games this year. They went 52 games without allowing one. No team has ever done that.
This is a team that miraculously has a winning record (24-21) even in games in which it trails at any point. Record of the other five first-place teams in those games: 74-154. And Baseball-Reference’s Katie Sharp reports that only six teams in the modern era have ever had a winning record in this category over a full season, including just one in the last 68 years. The Yankees actually have a better OPS when they’re trailing (.837) than when they’re leading (.757). The average team hits almost 50 points worse when trailing than leading. … Finally, the Yankees haven’t lost a series to any team that currently sits at .500 or better. They’ve played 10 series against teams that fit that profile. Their record: 8 wins, 2 splits, 24-11 overall.
Only part of the way into the season, it is premature and difficult to assess how good a team really is.
Yankees were a blah team. A hot two months to start the season and then 4 months of being the White Sox.
Speaking of the Sox, I won’t be surprised if they screw up the manager search. I’m almost expecting Ozzie or Thome.
Astros took 9 of 11 from Yankees in 2022, including 5-2 reg season and the 4-0 playoff sweep, and Astros are the better team in 2022
Your mid- season effusiveness for the Yanks reminds me of an old Everett Dirksen joke.
Likely to lose in his final election bid, early returns still gave Dirksen a narrow lead. An election night reporter asked Dirksen how he was feeling, and he said that question reminded him of,
..." the guy who had jumped off a 100 story building, and someone on the 50th floor stuck his head out to ask the guy how he was feeling?...to which the jumper replied , ..."well so far so good."
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Only part of the way into the season, it is premature and difficult to assess how good a team really is.
Astros took 9 of 11 from Yankees in 2022, including 5-2 reg season and the 4-0 playoff sweep, and Astros are the better team in 2022
Your mid- season effusiveness for the Yanks reminds me of an old Everett Dirksen joke.
Likely to lose in his final election bid, early returns still gave Dirksen a narrow lead. An election night reporter asked Dirksen how he was feeling, and he said that question reminded him of,
..." the guy who had jumped off a 100 story building, and someone on the 50th floor stuck his head out to ask the guy how he was feeling?...to which the jumper replied , ..."well so far so good."
As a Yankee fan congrats to both the Astro's and the surprising Phillies for getting hot at just the right time. Yes, there is a lot of lamenting in Bronxville and rightfully so. Winning teams don't succeed by just hitting home runs and the Yanks just never had the pitching to win not too mention their poor fielding in the post season. I think the article in the Post sums up quite accurately why the Yanks have been mediocre the last several years.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/24/everything-must-be-in-play-as-yankees-prove-theyre-not-enough/
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the Yanks have been mediocre the last several years.
I think you don't know what "mediocre" means.
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Only part of the way into the season, it is premature and difficult to assess how good a team really is.
I was commenting on the first half of the season. Everything I said was correct. I made no predictions about the future or whether they would win it all. If you look back through the baseball thread, I have talked several times about regression to the mean, whether upward or downward. In no way have I ever said a hot team will stay hot forever.
Anyhow, I appreciate that you commented on a previous post. I never question your baseball knowledge. I mean that sincerely (not sarcastically).
Last week there were reports that the Sox would hire Espada. I don't think it will happen (just my opinion). Have you heard anything more down there? My guess is he goes to Miami if he leaves Houston.
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I think you don't know what "mediocre" means.
I don't want to play the "it just means more" or "Yankee expectations" game. But when you have a top 3 payroll every year, 2 division titles in 10 years and no WS appearances (not to mention only contending in 1 ALCS, the other 2 getting spanked), thats kind of mediocre in comparison.
If Bama had 2-3 years where they were 8-4/9-3 and going to Outback or Cotton Bowls, instead of the CFP berths, you could say it was mediocre even if they were in the top 25
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I don't want to play the "it just means more" or "Yankee expectations" game. But when you have a top 3 payroll every year, 2 division titles in 10 years and no WS appearances (not to mention only contending in 1 ALCS, the other 2 getting spanked), thats kind of mediocre in comparison.
If Bama had 2-3 years where they were 8-4/9-3 and going to Outback or Cotton Bowls, instead of the CFP berths, you could say it was mediocre even if they were in the top 25
Cashman didn't (and hasn't in the past) put together a balanced roster. Similar to the south siders in Chicago. Usually isn't a good policy for a long season.
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Cashman didn't (and hasn't in the past) put together a balanced roster. Similar to the south siders in Chicago. Usually isn't a good policy for a long season.
Yup. I know there have been rumblings about his job security and I think a fresh voice in that position would be a good idea for the Yankees
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I don't want to play the "it just means more" or "Yankee expectations" game. But when you have a top 3 payroll every year, 2 division titles in 10 years and no WS appearances (not to mention only contending in 1 ALCS, the other 2 getting spanked), thats kind of mediocre in comparison.
If Bama had 2-3 years where they were 8-4/9-3 and going to Outback or Cotton Bowls, instead of the CFP berths, you could say it was mediocre even if they were in the top 25
It might be disappointing or, to quote Muggsy, "unacceptable!" to Yankee fans ... but reaching the postseason 6 straight years with 3 appearances in the ALCS is simply not "mediocre the last several years."
And no, I wouldn't call Alabama "mediocre" in the scenario you describe, either. I'd call them surprising or disappointing or no longer special or no longer championship material.
But sure ... I guess some might call them "mediocre in comparison" -- or horrible in comparison, or worthless in comparison, or an embarrassment in comparison. If those folks want to project their feelings on the situation instead of using words accurately, I get it. Sometimes, we sports fans are prone to hyperbole.
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Last week there were reports that the Sox would hire Espada. I don't think it will happen (just my opinion). Have you heard anything more down there? My guess is he goes to Miami if he leaves Houston.
Astros, Espada's current team is still playing games through the World Series.
It is a long- held tradition to keep under wraps all announcements involving any WS players managers etc until after their current season is over, including so as not to be a distraction to the current teams' playoffs.
One would expect all talk of Espada, and any announcement on him to await WS conclusion
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Astros, Espada's current team is still playing games through the World Series.
It is a long- held tradition to keep under wraps all announcements involving any WS players managers etc until after their current season is over, including so as not to be a distraction to the current teams' playoffs.
One would expect all talk of Espada, and any announcement on him to await WS conclusion
Usually rumors happen though and the only one out there now is the Sox. Just wondering if the grapevine down there is spitting out any other rumors.
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It might be disappointing or, to quote Muggsy, "unacceptable!" to Yankee fans ... but reaching the postseason 6 straight years with 3 appearances in the ALCS is simply not "mediocre the last several years."
And no, I wouldn't call Alabama "mediocre" in the scenario you describe, either. I'd call them surprising or disappointing or no longer special or no longer championship material.
But sure ... I guess some might call them "mediocre in comparison" -- or horrible in comparison, or worthless in comparison, or an embarrassment in comparison. If those folks want to project their feelings on the situation instead of using words accurately, I get it. Sometimes, we sports fans are prone to hyperbole.
I think there is a difference in being a mediocre team and being mediocre in performance. I’d have no qualms about using the latter in either case. Underachievement is always relative
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I think there is a difference in being a mediocre team and being mediocre in performance. I’d have no qualms about using the latter in either case. Underachievement is always relative
OK, you can have the last word. Have a good one.
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Pretty ridiculous that MLB is off for 4 days as the teams sit around waiting for the World Series to start.
Play G1 on Wed, and you have just about all of America's sports-watching eyes on your premier event. Play G2 on Thu, when Amazon has exclusive rights to just one NFL game, and you have most of America's sports eyeballs on you.
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Don't they set the schedule well in advance of the season?
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Don't they set the schedule well in advance of the season?
Sure, but it's unnecessary to do so. The NBA, for example, always has some wiggle room -- start on xxx date if the conference finals both finish early or xxx date if either goes 6+ games. That kind of thing. MLB could've and should've done the same.
You've had some good postseason series and performances that stoked interest in baseball, and you have a window to have your showcase event nationally on its own TV night ... and instead you've got everybody sitting around, waiting.
I'm not "outraged" by it ... it doesn't affect me at all. Just seems dopey (and shortsighted) to me.
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Sure, but it's unnecessary to do so. The NBA, for example, always has some wiggle room -- start on xxx date if the conference finals both finish early or xxx date if either goes 6+ games. That kind of thing. MLB could've and should've done the same.
You've had some good postseason series and performances that stoked interest in baseball, and you have a window to have your showcase event nationally on its own TV night ... and instead you've got everybody sitting around, waiting.
I'm not "outraged" by it ... it doesn't affect me at all. Just seems dopey (and shortsighted) to me.
Or you could have potential closeout games 5 and 6 on standalone nights like they do now.
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Or you could have potential closeout games 5 and 6 on standalone nights like they do now.
Reasonable point, wades.
One could counter that if the World Series got off to a good start on the standalone nights that people would watch an exciting closeout Game 6 no matter what it's up against, but your point is well-taken.
I just think it's not the best form to let the sport go dark for 4 days rather than build on the momentum from what has largely been a good postseason.
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I think you don't know what "mediocre" means.
By Yankee standards not even playing in the WS the last 13 years no less not winning any. Yes, Yankee fan standards are high; we expect excellence.
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Last week there were reports that the Sox would hire Espada. I don't think it will happen (just my opinion). Have you heard anything more down there? My guess is he goes to Miami if he leaves Houston.
Your guess was wrong:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34877303/source-miami-marlins-hire-skip-schumaker-new-manager
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Your guess was wrong:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34877303/source-miami-marlins-hire-skip-schumaker-new-manager
That’s why it was only a guess.
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Cards lose their hitting and pitching coach on the same day.
Enter Pujols as hitting coach and Yadi as pitching coach.
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Cards lose their hitting and pitching coach on the same day.
Enter Pujols as hitting coach and Yadi as pitching coach.
As long as they keep their pharmacist, all is well
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Cards lose their hitting and pitching coach on the same day.
Enter Pujols as hitting coach and Yadi as pitching coach.
Couldn't Yadi do both?
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Couldn't Yadi do both?
O/U until Yadi is the manager?
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O/U until Yadi is the manager?
He has been since TLR fell asleep at the wheel.
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O/U until Yadi is the manager?
Yadi shines so bright, it should only be a matter of weeks.
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As long as they keep their pharmacist, all is well
So funny. Well done.
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Saw shoothoops driving to work today with his Cardinals “YADI4” license plate.
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David Stearns stepping down as President of Baseball Operations. Matt Arnold moving into his position.
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Saw shoothoops driving to work today with his Cardinals “YADI4” license plate.
You all make it difficult to keep up with all of these posts. Trying my best.
Actually, I was reading the replies to this tweet on the subway. Sé que duele:
https://twitter.com/brewers/status/1585629293589434373?s=21&t=fKANtELI_4A5KGaGhbTRXA
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You all make it difficult to keep up with all of these posts. Trying my best.
Actually, I was reading the replies to this tweet on the subway. Sé que duele:
https://twitter.com/brewers/status/1585629293589434373?s=21&t=fKANtELI_4A5KGaGhbTRXA
See the post right before yours.
Thanks for breaking the news though! Brewers should probably fold the organization without their President of Baseball Operations.
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See the post right before yours.
Thanks for breaking the news though! Brewers should probably fold the organization without their Director of Baseball Operations.
You got owned!
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See the post right before yours.
Thanks for breaking the news though! Brewers should probably fold the organization without their President of Baseball Operations.
Not sure about that but someone needs to talk with some of the people in the replies. Provide some resource assistance etc…
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You got owned!
I can’t give you a head pat every day. Don’t be greedy Pobrecito.
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Not sure about that but someone needs to talk with some of the people in the replies. Provide some resource assistance etc…
Speaking of which, the replies here are fantastic, too
https://twitter.com/cardinals/status/1583129713123667969?s=46&t=O0Jyni7kpIggxFI9DhWv6A
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David Stearns stepping down as President of Baseball Operations. Matt Arnold moving into his position.
(https://media.tenor.com/ODYmqSQPPhsAAAAC/no-sir-i-dont-like-it.gif)
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You all make it difficult to keep up with all of these posts. Trying my best.
Actually, I was reading the replies to this tweet on the subway. Sé que duele:
https://twitter.com/brewers/status/1585629293589434373?s=21&t=fKANtELI_4A5KGaGhbTRXA
For someone who loves to claim other people are obsessed, I find it kind somewhat interesting you're sitting around on a Thursday morning reading Brewers Twitter. I can't say I've ever sat around reading Cardinals Twitter. Or any team's Twitter, for that matter.
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(https://media.tenor.com/ODYmqSQPPhsAAAAC/no-sir-i-dont-like-it.gif)
Agreed. Stearns was great. But he's wanted the Mets job for years and Alderson stepped down a month ago. It was a matter of when, not if. There are a lot of smart analytics guys out there.
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Speaking of which, the replies here are fantastic, too
https://twitter.com/cardinals/status/1583129713123667969?s=46&t=O0Jyni7kpIggxFI9DhWv6A
"Some Cardinals fans would be very upset if they could read this tweet"
🤣🤣🤣
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"Some Cardinals fans would be very upset if they could read this tweet"
🤣🤣🤣
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Agreed. Stearns was great. But he's wanted the Mets job for years and Alderson stepped down a month ago. It was a matter of when, not if. There are a lot of smart analytics guys out there.
Stearns will end up in Houston.
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shoothoops calling other people obsessed, but digs out a 15 year old Ziggy's post in a response.
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shoothoops calling other people obsessed, but digs out a 15 year old Ziggy's post in a response.
Definitely has the screenshot saved on his phone. Posted it a couple weeks ago somewhere as well.
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shoothoops calling other people obsessed, but digs out a 15 year old Ziggy's post in a response.
You all have apparently been doing this since 2007. Although I’m sure some just grumbled to themselves prior to that for many years.
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Definitely has the screenshot saved on his phone. Posted it a couple weeks ago somewhere as well.
Don’t put it online that I’m mad. I’m not mad
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Uh, you got me? Weirdo.
You should get over to r/Cubs, someone made a disparaging comment about wainwright. Quickly now!
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shoothoops calling other people obsessed, but digs out a 15 year old Ziggy's post in a response.
The list has held up pretty well over time, eh?
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Whatever happened to Marlins man? Haven’t seen him all postseason.
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Whatever happened to Marlins man? Haven’t seen him all postseason.
Stuck in Puerto Rico celebrating Yadi’s big win
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As I've said a couple of times, I'm rooting for Dusty Baker to win a World Series. I simply like him, and I think he's been a real good manager for a real long time.
But ...
Phillies reliever David Robertson was laboring in the 10th inning last night. He gave up a double to Bregman, walked Gurriel with 2 outs and uncorked a very wild pitch on the first offering to pinch-hitter Aledmys Diaz. Robertson then fell behind Diaz 3-0.
The one thing you don't do is give a cold pinch-hitter -- who was 1-for-14 this postseason -- the green light on 3-0 against a struggling pitcher.
But Dusty did give the green light to Diaz, who swung wildly and missed a pitch that was a foot out of the zone. And on the next pitch, Diaz grounded out weakly to third base, and the Phillies had a 1-0 lead in the World Series.
The next batter, Chas McCormick, might not have been able to tie or win the game for the Astros, but we'll never know because Dusty made a bad call.
And speaking of calls ...
Excellent call by home plate umpire James Hoye to deny Diaz first base after Diaz obviously moved his elbow into the path of Robertson's third pitch of the at-bat. Batters occasionally get away with this, but Hoye wasn't having it, and good for him. Two pitches later, Diaz was out and the Astros were down 1-0.
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Astros cheating again. And, to nobody’s surprise, it’s by using Albert Pujols’s bat, which is outside of MLB regulations. Some things make you say “hmm.”
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Astros cheating again. And, to nobody’s surprise, it’s by using Albert Pujols’s bat, which is outside of MLB regulations. Some things make you say “hmm.”
Shoot hoops with an essay in
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Boom!
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Another reason the MLB waited to start the World Series: NFL Sunday is a travel day now.
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Another reason the MLB waited to start the World Series: NFL Sunday is a travel day now.
Right. The NBA can be flexible with its schedule because it really isn’t going up against anything. MLB doesn’t have that luxury.
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Astros cheating again. And, to nobody’s surprise, it’s by using Albert Pujols’s bat, which is outside of MLB regulations. Some things make you say “hmm.”
Pujols shouldn’t be allowed into Cooperstown without a ticket
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Another reason the MLB waited to start the World Series: NFL Sunday is a travel day now.
Reasonable.
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Pedro Grifol your new Sox manager.
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Pedro Grifol your new Sox manager.
I've read one article on him, so allow me to weigh in with my expert analysis ...
Kidding. Best I can say is that it's better than some of the retread options that had been linked with the job.
Also, Vote for Pedro.
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I've read one article on him, so allow me to weigh in with my expert analysis ...
Kidding. Best I can say is that it's better than some of the retread options that had been linked with the job.
Also, Vote for Pedro.
Agreed, at least they went outside the organization.
Charlie Montoyo your new bench coach, Katz only leftover coach staying reportedly.
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Agreed, at least they went outside the organization.
Charlie Montoyo your new bench coach, Katz only leftover coach staying reportedly.
And hopefully a new hitting coach. I'm a little meh on Katz, but the pitching staff seems to like him, so sure, why not.
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Pedro Grifol your new Sox manager.
I think that is a solid pick.
Bochy was probably their preferred choice, but he has a long relationship with Chris Young so that was never going to happen.
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I guess the Phillies’ momentum has been stopped.
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Combined no-hitters don’t do much for me. A starting pitcher who’s thrown 90-100 pitches trying to get the last 3-4 outs of a game on sheer guts to preserve the no-hitter? That’s some great sports drama. A starting pitcher going 5-6 innings and then turning it over to three terminators to pitch the last three innings and none of them give up a hit? Yawn.
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Combined no-hitters don’t do much for me. A starting pitcher who’s thrown 90-100 pitches trying to get the last 3-4 outs of a game on sheer guts to preserve the no-hitter? That’s some great sports drama. A starting pitcher going 5-6 innings and then turning it over to three terminators to pitch the last three innings and none of them give up a hit? Yawn.
Idk that was pretty elite pitching.
And no reason to keep Javier going. His PC was high and they are gonna need him in game 7.
Only questionable thing is why he didnt pitch game 3 instead of McCullers. You could have him on full rest instead of 3 days if it happens.
Stros set up well now though. Verlander vs basically a phillies BP day(even if JV sucks in WS) and then Valdez. Bullpen has like all their bullets available too.
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Combined no-hitters don’t do much for me. A starting pitcher who’s thrown 90-100 pitches trying to get the last 3-4 outs of a game on sheer guts to preserve the no-hitter? That’s some great sports drama. A starting pitcher going 5-6 innings and then turning it over to three terminators to pitch the last three innings and none of them give up a hit? Yawn.
I agree. If it had been a starter going 8 or 7 and change, maybe. But 6 SP innings and 4 pitchers total isn’t that compelling. Elite pitching performance to be sure, but mentioning it 5-6 times in short order with Don Larsen’s performance is dumb. At least call it the first combined no hitter in WS history, especially for a game that loves useless stat blurbs.
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History making. Not the same emotional impact, but history nonetheless.
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History making. Not the same emotional impact, but history nonetheless.
Couldn't think of a better way to describe baseball as a whole lately.
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MLB is just lucky we are having a very warm November here in the East. It was 75 this afternoon and I live just 25 miles north of Philly.
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I agree. If it had been a starter going 8 or 7 and change, maybe. But 6 SP innings and 4 pitchers total isn’t that compelling. Elite pitching performance to be sure, but mentioning it 5-6 times in short order with Don Larsen’s performance is dumb. At least call it the first combined no hitter in WS history, especially for a game that loves useless stat blurbs.
My Dad's boss called him into his office. He though for sure some production line broke down and he would have to work through the night. Instead he told him he was going into the hospital for minor surgery and handed my dad his two WS tickets. We were 10 rows back behind the Yankee dugout and saw Don Larsen pitch his perfect game against the Dodgers.
One of those Father/Son moments you treasure. To this day I have a soft spot for my Dad's boss though they had this Jekyll/Hide work/personal relationship. At work he could be a real SOB, but he really liked my dad.
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Pulling Thor after 44 pitches seems like an overreaction to me.
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My Dad's boss called him into his office. He though for sure some production line broke down and he would have to work through the night. Instead he told him he was going into the hospital for minor surgery and handed my dad his two WS tickets. We were 10 rows back behind the Yankee dugout and saw Don Larsen pitch his perfect game against the Dodgers.
One of those Father/Son moments you treasure. To this day I have a soft spot for my Dad's boss though they had this Jekyll/Hide work/personal relationship. At work he could be a real SOB, but he really liked my dad.
Awesome you were at one of the most historic moments in baseball history with your dad.
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SHEESH high drama.
Harper up down 1 with 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth is storybook stuff. No way he should have seen anything remotely hittable.
Insane catch at the wall in center on Realmuto, my god. And from a Philly kid too.
Castellanos was either going to hit that ball to New Jersey or make a quiet out.
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I knocked Dusty the other day for mismanaging a situation, so let me give him props here for managing the bullpen superbly last night.
I watched from the 6th inning on and, as Wags said, that was some high-pressure, tension-filled stuff. Every single pitch had so much riding on it.
Yet another example of why content-providers are bidding bazillions to show live sports -- especially football, but all live sports. There is nothing else like it available to keep eyeballs on the screen and to provide a captive audience to advertisers.
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I knocked Dusty the other day for mismanaging a situation, so let me give him props here for managing the bullpen superbly last night.
I watched from the 6th inning on and, as Wags said, that was some high-pressure, tension-filled stuff. Every single pitch had so much riding on it.
Yet another example of why content-providers are bidding bazillions to show live sports -- especially football, but all live sports. There is nothing else like it available to keep eyeballs on the screen and to provide a captive audience to advertisers.
Abreu is such a weapon in that pen.
And Dusty went to Pressly at the right time. Montero was brutal last night. Saved the game.
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Abreu is such a weapon in that pen.
And Dusty went to Pressly at the right time. Montero was brutal last night. Saved the game.
I couldn't decide if Montero had no control or was just pitching like a moron. I get cautious around Castellanos. But then you pitch a great AB to Bohm and strike him out...then dance around f-ing Bryson Stott without a single strike?
And kudos to Dusty. If he didn't pull Montero, there is almost no doubt in my mind the Phillies plate 2 more.
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Awesome you were at one of the most historic moments in baseball history with your dad.
I also saw Jim Bunning of the Phillies pitch his perfect game against the Mets in '64.
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I really like Joe Davis on the call. Buck was good but he's a weirdo. Davis has the pbp without the joe buck douchiness.
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Truly happy for Dusty Baker.
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Truly happy for Dusty Baker.
Hadn't heard you mention that before.
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Hadn't heard you mention that before.
Sorry if your joylessness got interrupted by someone else’s happiness.
Hell of a job by Baker, a most deserving champion.
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Peña was the obvious choice for Series MVP, but Pressly would have been a great pick too.
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Truly happy for Dusty Baker.
Amen. Watched the post-game, which I never do, just to see Dusty. Great ending to his career. (Despite him ruining Mark Prior.)
Without bias is the manifestation of bunting with 2 strikes down 3 in the 8th inning of an elimination game.
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Amen. Watched the post-game, which I never do, just to see Dusty. Great ending to his career. (Despite him ruining Mark Prior.)
"This is the greatest bunch of guys. They told me in spring training that they were gonna win it. Now, what's next? Party!"
Yep, the unbridled joy he showed was uplifting. He's 73 going on 23. It was uplifting to see and hear not only his expressions of happiness but the obvious love his players and the community has for him.
And FWIW, he said he's planning to win again next season, so this doesn't appear to be the end of his career quite yet.
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A fitting outcome. Houston was good all year. Phillie got hot and got close. The better team won.
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Peña was the obvious choice for Series MVP, but Pressly would have been a great pick too.
Obvious???
Valdez would also like a word winning 2 games and dominating both.
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Fitting ending to the playoffs though.
Pull your ace and bring in the lefty to face Alvarez.
HE DESTROYS lefties.
And just like game 4. Alvarado has to still face Bregman after due to the rules.
Astros have absolute weapons in their pen, they can go to those guys whenever they want. Jose alvarado is not a priority reliever.
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Fitting ending to the playoffs though.
Pull your ace and bring in the lefty to face Alvarez.
HE DESTROYS lefties.
And just like game 4. Alvarado has to still face Bregman after due to the rules.
Astros have absolute weapons in their pen, they can go to those guys whenever they want. Jose alvarado is not a priority reliever.
::) Their ace wasn’t exactly an ace all postseason. In the prior World Series game he gave up a 5th inning, 2 run home run to Bregman after walking Alveraz. He had just walked a batter and given up a hit.
Yes, Alveraz kills lefties. But his numbers are even better against righties. And Bregman’s numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY worse against lefties.
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A fitting outcome. Houston was good all year. Phillie got hot and got close. The better team won.
#crapshoot
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::) Their ace wasn’t exactly an ace all postseason. In the prior World Series game he gave up a 5th inning, 2 run home run to Bregman after walking Alveraz. He had just walked a batter and given up a hit.
Yes, Alveraz kills lefties. But his numbers are even better against righties. And Bregman’s numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY worse against lefties.
He had a 2.78 this post season. Which factors in his start against Atlanta where they had a 3 run inning on like 3 scratch hits and one that shoulda been an error on Hoskins.
Weve already seen Alvarado tank in very similar spot. Now, if its the Astros pen and you got Abreu, Stank, Montero as options?? Do it.
Jose Alvardo isnt a priority over your ace.
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Obvious???
Valdez would also like a word winning 2 games and dominating both.
Excellent point. Valdez would have been a fine choice too.
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He had a 2.78 this post season. Which factors in his start against Atlanta where they had a 3 run inning on like 3 scratch hits and one that shoulda been an error on Hoskins.
Weve already seen Alvarado tank in very similar spot. Now, if its the Astros pen and you got Abreu, Stank, Montero as options?? Do it.
Jose Alvardo isnt a priority over your ace.
And we already saw Wheeler tank in a very similar spot. Nobody made Alvarado a priority over their ace. If Wheeler doesn’t give up a walk and a hit Alvarado’s not starting the 6th to face Alveraz and Bregman.
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Eric Hosmer's contract situation is one of the funnier ones I can remember in recent memory. He agrees to be dealt to the Red Sox on the eve of a 3-year player option on the condition he gets a full no trade clause. As part of the deal, the Padres agree to pay his contract above the minimum, so it only costs the Red Sox a roster spot to keep him around. He opts in (a financial no brainer at $13M per for a replacement level player) so now he and the Red Sox just sort of get together and mutually decide if and where he wants to play on the Padres' dime. There must be a Larry David degree of levity in the meetings between Hosmer, his agent, and Boston's front office.
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Congratulations to Goldschmidt. Was he just using Pujols’s bat like Maldonado all year, or was he also using his PED dealer too?
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The Brewers trading away their best offensive player for 2 meh pitchers and a pitching prospect is an interesting move.
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The Brewers trading away their best offensive player for 2 meh pitchers and a pitching prospect is an interesting move.
Renfroe only under contract for one more year and is on his 5th team in 5 years. Hopefully not the biggest move they make this offseason.
It’s not a splashy move, but getting some pitching depth doesn’t hurt if you can reasonably replace Renfroe’s production.
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Renfroe only under contract for one more year and is on his 5th team in 5 years. Hopefully not the biggest move they make this offseason.
It’s not a splashy move, but getting some pitching depth doesn’t hurt if you can reasonably replace Renfroe’s production.
Clearing space for Aaron Judge.
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Hunter Renfroe being the Brewers' "best offensive player" speaks volumes about why they're not legit contenders.
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Smacks of a salary dump. 'nother bite of da apple dat's rotten, aina?
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Hunter Renfroe being the Brewers' "best offensive player" speaks volumes about why they're not legit contenders.
Even if you assume this is Renfroes peak offensive production (I do) this is a garbage return.
The Brewers are in a tough spot. There just are very few postions where they can do more than improve around the edges, and ownership doesn't want to pony up
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Harper out until the All Star Game
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Harper out until the All Star Game
Which makes his playoff performance even more impressive.
Second to only Lebron in terms of living up to INSANE hype and expectations from an early age. Even more impressive for Harper, imo, considering how many great prospects have failed to deliver before even getting to the MLB in the minors.
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I remember wondering in passing why he was DH-ing in the WS. Now we know.
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It's gonna be real interesting to see if any of the juicers get in when the Baseball Hall of Fame's new Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee meets in about a week to consider the likes of Clemens and Bonds.
Press release from the HoF:
(COOPERSTOWN, NY) – Eight players whose primary contributions to the game came within the last 40-plus years will be considered for Hall of Fame election at Baseball’s Winter Meetings.
The Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee will meet for the first time on Sunday, Dec. 4, in San Diego. Eight former big leaguers comprise the Contemporary Baseball Era Committee player ballot, which features candidates whose primary contribution to the game came from 1980 to the present.
The 16-member Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee will consider only candidates on the ballot, and any candidate receiving votes on at least 75 percent of all ballots cast will earn induction into the Hall of Fame as part of the Class of 2023.
Results of the voting will be announced live on MLB Network on Sunday, Dec. 4 during MLB Tonight at 8 p.m. ET. Any electees are expected to be available to media shortly after the announcement via individual Zoom calls.
Albert Belle, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Don Mattingly, Fred McGriff, Dale Murphy, Rafael Palmeiro and Curt Schilling were named on Nov. 7 as the candidates for Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee consideration. All candidates are living.
Any candidates elected will be inducted in Cooperstown on July 23, 2023, along with any electees who emerge from the 2023 Baseball Writers’ Association of America election, which will be announced on Jan. 24, 2023, exclusively on MLB Network.
The 16-member Hall of Fame Board-appointed electorate charged with the review of the Contemporary Baseball Era player ballot features Hall of Fame members Chipper Jones, Greg Maddux, Jack Morris, Ryne Sandberg, Lee Smith, Frank Thomas and Alan Trammell; major league executives Paul Beeston, Theo Epstein, Arte Moreno, Kim Ng, Dave St. Peter and Ken Williams; and veteran media members/historians Steve Hirdt, LaVelle Neal and Susan Slusser.
Hall of Fame Chairman of the Board Jane Forbes Clark will serve as the non-voting Chairman of the Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee.
The eight Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee finalists were selected by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America-appointed Historical Overview Committee from all eligible candidates whose most significant career impact was realized from 1980 to the present. Eligible candidates include players who played in at least 10 major league seasons, who have been retired for at least 15 seasons and who are not on Major League Baseball’s ineligible list.
The Historical Overview Committee, which developed the Contemporary Baseball Era player ballot, includes Bob Elliott (Canadian Baseball Network), Jim Henneman (formerly Baltimore Sun), Steve Hirdt (Stats Perform), Rick Hummel (St. Louis Post-Dispatch), David O’Brien (The Athletic), Jack O’Connell (BBWAA), Jim Reeves (formerly Fort Worth Star Telegram), Tracy Ringolsby (InsidetheSeams.com); Glenn Schwarz (formerly San Francisco Chronicle), Susan Slusser (San Francisco Chronicle) and Mark Whicker (Los Angeles News Group).
++ Interesting that Sosa isn't among those being considered. His stats were superior to any batter on that list not named Bonds -- far superior in most cases.
++ McGwire's not on the list, either. Like Sosa, he could be considered in a future year.
++ Mattingly's numbers are inferior to everyone else's on that list, and by a pretty wide margin. He lost his power midway through his career, and his last 6 seasons -- with his .750 OPS and averages of 10 HRs and 64 RBIs -- were pedestrian at best. He's a good guy, an assumed non-juicer, and a former player with a lot of NY and LA support. Belongs in the Hall of Very Good.
++ If Bonds and Clemens don't make it with this group, they might never.
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Sosa hasn't been retired for 15 years - officially retired in 2009.
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Sosa hasn't been retired for 15 years - officially retired in 2009.
Good catch, thanks. That makes sense.
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Abreu to Houston? Looks like it.
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Abreu to Houston? Looks like it.
He gowne.
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Jose Abreu appears to be a good signing for the Astros. Assuming we re-up with Christian Vasquez and Maldonado handling our catching, our infield is set. 1B Abreu, 2B Altuve, 3B Bregman SS Pena
Utility isnt settled. Astros may make a below the radar signing to go with Dubon and Hensley. Aldemys Diaz will go elsewhere.
RP Rafael Montero was also signed. Our bullpen also is signed and all set CL Pressley, Setup Montero, Hector Neris, Brian Abreau, Stanek, Phil Maton Long relief/spot starter Seth Martinez, Hunter Brown
Astros must put on a real we wanna keep him show, but if J Verlander insists on 3 years $120 million plus (Sherzer deal),...well for this team the big money needs are elsewhere. Why is JV gone? Mainly,...Regardless of Verlander's destination, Our SP is already set. Framber Valdez, Christian Javier, Lance McCullers, Jose Urquidy, and Luis Garcia are here now (see also Hunter Brown).
That unused JV money should be going next to RF Kyle Tucker We have him cheap for 3 years, but best now to lock him up for a bit post arb elig...5-6 years $125 mil should be near the announced deal. Also, in 2023 it will be time to lock up some of our young starting pitchers longer term
My Guess is Lefty OF Michael Brantley gets re-upped 1-2 years and we'll light pencil him in LF, alternating with Yordan Alvarez at DH . 3rd year OF Chas McCormick will be in center. But ....
of all the issue areas, Astros are most likely to move on a FA for OF/DH help. For us, Benitendi costs too much, CF Cody Bellinger is only a one year poss (has he solved his poor hitting?), and Nimmo is the most likely FA fail of 2023. Suggestions?
Dont totally assume Yuli Gurriel is gone. For one year 4 -5 mil, He can play 1B (Golden Glove) back up 3b Breggy and DH where needed
Except for a Verlander announcement, and a likely OF addition, almost the same Astros are ready for 2023.
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I enjoyed Abreu’s career on the Sox, he’s a good dude too.
3 years for Abreu is bad business though. I’ve often joked that as much as I enjoyed Abreu, when they retire 79 in Chicago, they should also retire 6-4-3 as well. I’m not sure why Houston thought three years was a good idea, he’s clearly in a decline.
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I enjoyed Abreu’s career on the Sox, he’s a good dude too.
3 years for Abreu is bad business though. I’ve often joked that as much as I enjoyed Abreu, when they retire 79 in Chicago, they should also retire 6-4-3 as well. I’m not sure why Houston thought three years was a good idea, he’s clearly in a decline.
Completely agree. Love what Jose has done for the Sox, but glad they didn't give him this deal. Strange thing is, his greatest value to the Sox - clubhouse leader, face of the team - won't translate in Houston.
That said, I hope the Sox have plans for this money beyond Mike Clevinger.
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I enjoyed Abreu’s career on the Sox, he’s a good dude too.
3 years for Abreu is bad business though. I’ve often joked that as much as I enjoyed Abreu, when they retire 79 in Chicago, they should also retire 6-4-3 as well. I’m not sure why Houston thought three years was a good idea, he’s clearly in a decline.
These days, you hope to realize 2/3rds of contracts like these. If the Astros get one typical Abreu season and also a decent-to-good season out of him, they will have considered it a great signing. Obviously, that's still a big if, but they'd be happy with that.
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Completely agree. Love what Jose has done for the Sox, but glad they didn't give him this deal. Strange thing is, his greatest value to the Sox - clubhouse leader, face of the team - won't translate in Houston.
That said, I hope the Sox have plans for this money beyond Mike Clevinger.
Yeah, $12M for Clevinger is no bueno, I don’t know who they thought they were competing with to go to $12M, especially this early in the market. This is kinda like when they went out early and overpaid Eaton to come back a couple years ago.
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These days, you hope to realize 2/3rds of contracts like these. If the Astros get one typical Abreu season and also a decent-to-good season out of him, they will have considered it a great signing. Obviously, that's still a big if, but they'd be happy with that.
This goes against what the Astros have done during their run. Giving a 36 year old 1B/DH, who is clearly on the decline, $19.5 million a year for the next 3 years makes no sense. It’s the equivalent of paying a 30 year old running back in football, those positions are very replaceable.
I’d rather have had 2 years of Rizzo at $20M per. The real winner here is Josh Bell, he’s probably now looking at a 3 year $55M deal from someone (Cleveland?).
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This goes against what the Astros have done during their run. Giving a 36 year old 1B/DH, who is clearly on the decline, $19.5 million a year for the next 3 years makes no sense. It’s the equivalent of paying a 30 year old running back in football, those positions are very replaceable.
I’d rather have had 2 years of Rizzo at $20M per. The real winner here is Josh Bell, he’s probably now looking at a 3 year $55M deal from someone (Cleveland?).
Reasonable take.
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This goes against what the Astros have done during their run. Giving a 36 year old 1B/DH, who is clearly on the decline, $19.5 million a year for the next 3 years makes no sense. It’s the equivalent of paying a 30 year old running back in football, those positions are very replaceable.
I’d rather have had 2 years of Rizzo at $20M per. The real winner here is Josh Bell, he’s probably now looking at a 3 year $55M deal from someone (Cleveland?).
Astros are handling free agency with only 1) owner Jim Crane as defacto GM and 2) Jeff Bagwell as the former player/whisperer. Its not normal. NO one is being heard on analytics or the issues you note
Rizzo was the Astros first pursuit. They blew it. Their Rizzo interest, including the pleasure of also weakening the yankees, became public. It is unclear how far they got as Yankees almost immediately locked Rizzo in at your numbers. $17mil per year for 3 years and a 3rd year club buyout of $6mil . Oops lesson learned....shut up about your targets
Bagwell also liked Abreu...a consistent up the middle contact hitter, and Bags went with Crane to visit Abreu. A few things, Here:
1) Crane had just lost out in stunning quickness on Rizzo, and we see Bell as a big drop off so Astros were determined on Abreu;
2) At least 2-3 other teams were seriously in play, up bidding is predictable/expected. A rumor here was Guardians had tendered the exact same 3years/dollars and Abreu chose Astros to get a ring
3)Crane is the owner/GM and Baggy is a former player...neither see the amounts paid viz others nearly as relevant as getting the best guy they can to take over 1st base. BTW, Yuli Gurriel likely will re-up but as a utility guy, for less $$
4) At least until a new GM is here in 2023, you'll see the Astros getting away from their system and analytics (Baggy is very very anti -analytics...think Joe Morgan)
5) Crane and Baggy will get us set for 2023 but likely not in the "Astro way" and with more overpayments coming. We are still a long way from Dodger/Yankee stupid with $, though. (Except for McCullers) our starting pitching staff is the cheapest in MLB:
Framber Valdez 3 mil; Luis Garcia 1.25 mil; Christian Javier 750k Jose Urquidy 750k Hunter Brown 700k...less than 7mil total
6)Crane hinted at his illogical generosity when he rush re-signed RP Rafael Montero for above market $$
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https://nypost.com/2022/11/30/yankees-offer-to-aaron-judge-around-300-million/
Wonder how high the bidding will go.
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300M+ for a power hitter than will be 31 by the time next season starts? No thank you.
Boras and Juan Soto have to be watching this with glee
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It's gonna be real interesting to see if any of the juicers get in when the Baseball Hall of Fame's new Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee meets in about a week to consider the likes of Clemens and Bonds.
Press release from the HoF:
(COOPERSTOWN, NY) – Eight players whose primary contributions to the game came within the last 40-plus years will be considered for Hall of Fame election at Baseball’s Winter Meetings.
The Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee will meet for the first time on Sunday, Dec. 4, in San Diego. Eight former big leaguers comprise the Contemporary Baseball Era Committee player ballot, which features candidates whose primary contribution to the game came from 1980 to the present.
The 16-member Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee will consider only candidates on the ballot, and any candidate receiving votes on at least 75 percent of all ballots cast will earn induction into the Hall of Fame as part of the Class of 2023.
Results of the voting will be announced live on MLB Network on Sunday, Dec. 4 during MLB Tonight at 8 p.m. ET. Any electees are expected to be available to media shortly after the announcement via individual Zoom calls.
Albert Belle, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Don Mattingly, Fred McGriff, Dale Murphy, Rafael Palmeiro and Curt Schilling were named on Nov. 7 as the candidates for Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee consideration. All candidates are living.
Any candidates elected will be inducted in Cooperstown on July 23, 2023, along with any electees who emerge from the 2023 Baseball Writers’ Association of America election, which will be announced on Jan. 24, 2023, exclusively on MLB Network.
The 16-member Hall of Fame Board-appointed electorate charged with the review of the Contemporary Baseball Era player ballot features Hall of Fame members Chipper Jones, Greg Maddux, Jack Morris, Ryne Sandberg, Lee Smith, Frank Thomas and Alan Trammell; major league executives Paul Beeston, Theo Epstein, Arte Moreno, Kim Ng, Dave St. Peter and Ken Williams; and veteran media members/historians Steve Hirdt, LaVelle Neal and Susan Slusser.
Hall of Fame Chairman of the Board Jane Forbes Clark will serve as the non-voting Chairman of the Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee.
The eight Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee finalists were selected by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America-appointed Historical Overview Committee from all eligible candidates whose most significant career impact was realized from 1980 to the present. Eligible candidates include players who played in at least 10 major league seasons, who have been retired for at least 15 seasons and who are not on Major League Baseball’s ineligible list.
The Historical Overview Committee, which developed the Contemporary Baseball Era player ballot, includes Bob Elliott (Canadian Baseball Network), Jim Henneman (formerly Baltimore Sun), Steve Hirdt (Stats Perform), Rick Hummel (St. Louis Post-Dispatch), David O’Brien (The Athletic), Jack O’Connell (BBWAA), Jim Reeves (formerly Fort Worth Star Telegram), Tracy Ringolsby (InsidetheSeams.com); Glenn Schwarz (formerly San Francisco Chronicle), Susan Slusser (San Francisco Chronicle) and Mark Whicker (Los Angeles News Group).
++ Interesting that Sosa isn't among those being considered. His stats were superior to any batter on that list not named Bonds -- far superior in most cases.
++ McGwire's not on the list, either. Like Sosa, he could be considered in a future year.
++ Mattingly's numbers are inferior to everyone else's on that list, and by a pretty wide margin. He lost his power midway through his career, and his last 6 seasons -- with his .750 OPS and averages of 10 HRs and 64 RBIs -- were pedestrian at best. He's a good guy, an assumed non-juicer, and a former player with a lot of NY and LA support. Belongs in the Hall of Very Good.
++ If Bonds and Clemens don't make it with this group, they might never.
Morris, Sandberg and Thomas are outspoken anti-steroids guys, so Clemens, Bonds and Palmeiro can only afford 1 of the other 13 to vote no, so I do not think they have any kind of shot.
Schilling is the interesting one to me. His career numbers (around 80 WAR, .597 W/L PCT, 3116 K/346 BB ratio, 216 W, impeccable postseason pitcher) are definitely worthy, plus he won every humanitarian good guy award there was to win during his career. He's the first guy I can think of to be excluded from the HOF for being a jerk after his playing days. (I don't count Rose because he is not out of the Hall for being a jerk, but for breaking the gambling rule).
Mattingly on track to HOF but back injuries did him in, so like Dale Murphy and Albert Belle he was great but not for long enough.
I think McGriff might be the guy who makes it, but Schilling, Clemens and Bonds would probably be my vote. Bonds and Clemens just too good to ignore.
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Sosa hasn't been retired for 15 years - officially retired in 2009.
His first year on the writer’s ballot was 2013, so I think the Hall considers him retired for 15 years.
The era committee process is incredibly flawed. Highly recommend Jay Jaffe’s articles on Fangraphs for in-depth analyses of each candidate.
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deGrom to Texas, 5/185. The length of the deal for him is scary, but AAV isn’t awful.
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deGrom to Texas, 5/185. The length of the deal for him is scary, but AAV isn’t awful.
Yeah I thought the dollars were pretty low.
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deGrom to Texas, 5/185. The length of the deal for him is scary, but AAV isn’t awful.
I disagree. Based only on his health, not his talent. He has averaged less than 13 starts a year for the last 3 years.
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I disagree. Based only on his health, not his talent. He has averaged less than 13 starts a year for the last 3 years.
I thought he was going to get between $45 - $50 per. I certainly won’t argue against his health concerns, I just don’t think this is as bad as I thought it was going to be.
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I thought he was going to get between $45 - $50 per. I certainly won’t argue against his health concerns, I just don’t think this is as bad as I thought it was going to be.
I wasn’t surprised by the amount and the injury history kept the number down. It is still just a terrible deal, though.
I said the same thing here on Scoop when the Blue Jays signed Ryu 3 years ago because on his injury history and that contract was an absolute disaster.
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I thought he was going to get between $45 - $50 per. I certainly won’t argue against his health concerns, I just don’t think this is as bad as I thought it was going to be.
Why would you pay 1/5 to 1/6 of the salary cap figure for a guy who you cannot count on to be healthy, especially when healthy probably means only 175 innings or so (30 starts at a little less than 6 IP/per).
I think the biggest gambles this offseason are deGrom and Judge.
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Why would you pay 1/5 to 1/6 of the salary cap figure for a guy who you cannot count on to be healthy, especially when healthy probably means only 175 innings or so (30 starts at a little less than 6 IP/per).
I think the biggest gambles this offseason are deGrom and Judge.
I agree that they are the biggest gambles becuase they'll have the biggest x longest contracts, but the cap isn't the cap for Texas, LAD, NYY, NYM, and Bos. They'll dip in and out of the tax to reset the repeater penalties, but pay the tax more often than not.
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Fred McGriff was the only candidate chosen for induction by the contemporary HoF voting committee.
Bonds and Clemens weren’t close.
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Fred McGriff was the only candidate chosen for induction by the contemporary HoF voting committee.
Bonds and Clemens weren’t close.
He's a guy you don't think of as a HoF'er, but he had a very nice run of about 15 years or so.
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Fred McGriff was the only candidate chosen for induction by the contemporary HoF voting committee.
Bonds and Clemens weren’t close.
This is what I thought would happen, though I didn't have a good feel for what would happen with Schilling. It will be nice someday for HOF voting/discussions get back to what happened on the field, rather than steroids or personality issues. McGriff is a borderline candidate, but he was better than a lot of guys already enshrined and I am glad he is in.
If Schilling just kept his mouth shut, I think he probably would have sneaked in on his last year on the writer's ballot.
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Fred McGriff was the only candidate chosen for induction by the contemporary HoF voting committee.
Bonds and Clemens weren’t close.
Tom Emanaki is more proud of this than his back to back to back AAU championships.
(Fŭck that garbage can drill, Tom, that's how I wrecked my rotator cuff, you prick.)
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Funny stuff: McGriff never once saw any Emanski video!
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/newly_elected_hall_of_famer_fred_mcgriff_never_saw_90s_instructional_video_he_famously_endorsed/s1_13132_38204849
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Huge upgrade for Mets signing Verlander over deGrom.
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Huge upgrade for Mets signing Verlander over deGrom.
Both are outstanding when healthy, and I wouldn't dispute those who say deGrom at his best is the #1 starting pitcher in baseball.
But the Mets got to make a much shorter-term commitment to Verlander at far less total money. And if I had to bet on one being able to make more starts, including postseason, I'd bet on Verlander.
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Both are outstanding when healthy, and I wouldn't dispute those who say deGrom at his best is the #1 starting pitcher in baseball.
But the Mets got to make a much shorter-term commitment to Verlander at far less total money. And if I had to bet on one being able to make more starts, including postseason, I'd bet on Verlander.
Health is the reason it is such a big upgrade.
Cy Young winner vs. oft injured great pitcher who starts 12-14 games a year.
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Trea Turner to the Fightin' Phils.
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This is what I thought would happen, though I didn't have a good feel for what would happen with Schilling. It will be nice someday for HOF voting/discussions get back to what happened on the field, rather than steroids or personality issues. McGriff is a borderline candidate, but he was better than a lot of guys already enshrined and I am glad he is in.
If Schilling just kept his mouth shut, I think he probably would have sneaked in on his last year on the writer's ballot.
100% agree on both McGriff and Schilling.
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https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1599989146311102464?s=46&t=7A0kQYE4opDQHU815vvSpg
The Cardinal Way
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Yikes. His third.
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Tom Emanaki is more proud of this than his back to back to back AAU championships.
(Fŭck that garbage can drill, Tom, that's how I wrecked my rotator cuff, you prick.)
Have we been told if McGriff’s HOF bust will have his hat perched bizarrely high on his head?
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Yikes. His third.
He’s dedicated! You don’t half-ass things in St. Louis.
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Yikes. His third.
Three strikes. Yer out.
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https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1599989146311102464?s=46&t=7A0kQYE4opDQHU815vvSpg
The Cardinal Way
Musta been TLR's driver.
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Yikes. His third.
Act like you've been there before, hey?
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Have some empathy, the guy has to spend 70% of his year in St. Louis.
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Act like you've been there before, hey?
OK, this made me laugh.
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The real winner here is Josh Bell, he’s probably now looking at a 3 year $55M deal from someone (Cleveland?).
Yup.
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The real, real winner is Andrew Heaney. He will probably make more $$$ per start than Verlander.
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Arson Jusge to the Giants is the flaming hot rumor.
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Why do the Cubs want Bellinger? Jason Heyward is a better hitter and is cheaper.
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Arson Jusge to the Giants is the flaming hot rumor.
I’ve not heard of this Arson Jusge guy. Must not be very good.
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I’ve not heard of this Arson Jusge guy. Must not be very good.
He's all the rage in Uzbekistan.
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Arson Jusge to the Giants is the flaming hot rumor.
Nope, Yankees
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Nope, Yankees
I think you missed the joke (or you’re not on Twitter, or both).
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1600257029968650240?s=46&t=jEy3903qpOgoObmqCJktgw
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Aaron Judge staying with the Yankees.
9 years $360mil
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$40M per year.
Reminds me of a few of Dish's best wagering years!
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I know it’s funny money when it comes to the Yankees, but the thought of paying a 37 year old Judge $40MM a year…for 3 more seasons, is terrifying. Unless he’s getting the Bonds PED program
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I know it’s funny money when it comes to the Yankees, but the thought of paying a 37 year old Judge $40MM a year…for 3 more seasons, is terrifying. Unless he’s getting the Bonds PED program
If you get 3 great seasons and 3 good seasons out of him, especially if you win a championship or two, then you just look at the last $120M as a loss leader.
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Aaron Judge staying with the Yankees.
9 years $360mil
The owners all have money trees out back. Good or bad, this contract doesn’t hurt the Yankees.
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I know it’s funny money when it comes to the Yankees, but the thought of paying a 37 year old Judge $40MM a year…for 3 more seasons, is terrifying. Unless he’s getting the Bonds PED program
He’s the the talent. He’s the worker.
Team valuation is $6 Billion. Revenue of $500 million.($700 million pre-pandemic) Player expenses were well less than half of that.
The 10th highest valuation team in MLB had a $104 Million profit in 2021.
Perhaps we can pass the hat for some of these owners and look into the seat cushions for spare change.
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If any team can take on the risk of $40M to a late 30’s, physically broken down slugger, it’s the Yankees.
I don’t necessarily blame them for going 9/360, I don’t think they really had much of a choice otherwise. Issue is history is unkind to guys as tall as Judge having sustained health into their mid 30’s and beyond. As the years move forward, he’ll probably DH almost exclusively.
Give credit to Judge as a great negotiator, his bet on himself, and it paid off (no pun intended).
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Quintana to the Mets
2 years $36mil
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Quintana to the Mets
2 years $36mil
https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1600521435931295744?s=46&t=vHk_haVQ6-scnEh4SV5pZA
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Wilson Contreras to St. Louis. I’m here for the replies.
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Wilson Contreras to St. Louis. I’m here for the replies.
Cardinals prioritized catcher. The Murphy ask was a lot with Oakland. More often lately, the Cardinals have used trades and extensions to add vs bidding wars.
The hold up for WC to Stl has been length of deal, Cards wanted 3-4 years. WC wanted 5 years. They reached agreement about money a little while back. I would expect the deal to possibly be 4 years and meet in the middle.
Cards also looked at Toronto and Houston catchers too.
They expect their own milb catcher IH, to be ready in 2024, but they can push that back if needed.
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He’s the the talent. He’s the worker.
Team valuation is $6 Billion. Revenue of $500 million.($700 million pre-pandemic) Player expenses were well less than half of that.
The 10th highest valuation team in MLB had a $104 Million profit in 2021.
Perhaps we can pass the hat for some of these owners and look into the seat cushions for spare change.
Ok? Not really sure what your point is. Nobody is claiming this will bankrupt the Yankees. Just, like Dish said, its a huge salary for someone who, based on historical evidence, will not be a healthy everyday player, much less an all star, for the back half of the deal.
If someone worth $50MM pays $5MM for a house, thats probably worth $2MM and in a flood plane, because the market and bidders are crazy, nobody is crying poverty for them, but they can rightly say its an overpay based on value and risk.
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The real problem is the Yankees didn’t get better today, they just stayed the same/didn’t get worse, and are now tighter in their internal salary cap/budget.
Meanwhile my White Sox are just hoping everyone returning has a career year in ‘23, which is always a wonderful plan.
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Wilson Contreras to St. Louis. I’m here for the replies.
Big shoes for Willson to fill replacing the greatest catcher and one of the greatest MLB players of all time.
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The real problem is the Yankees didn’t get better today, they just stayed the same/didn’t get worse, and are now tighter in their internal salary cap/budget.
Meanwhile my White Sox are just hoping everyone returning has a career year in ‘23, which is always a wonderful plan.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/07/aaron-judge-re-signs-with-yankees-for-360-million/
You're right they just stayed the same. The Yanks need pitching and hitting that does not rely on the home run if they want to win in the post season.
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I know it’s funny money when it comes to the Yankees, but the thought of paying a 37 year old Judge $40MM a year…for 3 more seasons, is terrifying. Unless he’s getting the Bonds PED program
The Padres offered more than NY and Judge turned it down.
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I’ve not heard of this Arson Jusge guy. Must not be very good.
He'll probably burn the team to the ground
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He'll probably burn the team to the ground
Just wait till his bat gets hot.
He'll really fire up the fans.
Before she was his wife, Samantha Bracksieck was his flame.
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Quintana to the Mets
2 years $36mil
I think it’s actually 26 million - but given today’s numbers, 10 mil seems almost like a rounding error.
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Bogaerts to Padres, $280/11.
No idea where the Padres keep finding cash at, but I’d like to get in on that.
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Bogaerts to Padres, $280/11.
No idea where the Padres keep finding cash at, but I’d like to get in on that.
I was surprised when they offered Judge $400 mil.
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Bogaerts to Padres, $280/11.
No idea where the Padres keep finding cash at, but I’d like to get in on that.
As a Red Sox fan, I really hate to lose Bogaerts, but I don't get this at all from the Padres perspective. They already have 3 guys who are as good or better than Bogaerts at defending SS, and he's going to hit .270s with 10-15 HR in SD. And he's 31. Why do they need him? Why for 11 years? The Sox could likely have locked him up in the spring for the 6/160 they ended up offering him. At that price he would be great.
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Bogaerts to Padres, $280/11.
No idea where the Padres keep finding cash at, but I’d like to get in on that.
He’ll be the third best SS on San Diego. Why would anybody commit to that kind of contract for an above average 31 year old 2nd baseman? Crazy.
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He’ll be the third best SS on San Diego. Why would anybody commit to that kind of contract for an above average 31 year old 2nd baseman? Crazy.
Padres ownership's coke binge must be a hell of a good time.
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He’ll be the third best SS on San Diego. Why would anybody commit to that kind of contract for an above average 31 year old 2nd baseman? Crazy.
Because all owners are flush with cash.
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Convince them you are a left handed reliever and you, too, can get paid.
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Because all owners are flush with cash.
Bogaerts is a good to very good player, but he’s not a star - especially as a 2nd baseman. Turner is a much better player who will play a much more important position. If B is worth 11/280, T is worth 11/360. Either the Padres overpaid for B or the Phillies stole T.
IMO it’s the former.
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Bogaerts is a good to very good player, but he’s not a star - especially as a 2nd baseman. Turner is a much better player who will play a much more important position. If B is worth 11/280, T is worth 11/360. Either the Padres overpaid for B or the Phillies stole T.
IMO it’s the former.
You referenced earlier that the numbers are so high they are imaginary. It feels that way. What it reminds me of are the Yankees at the dawning of the free agent era. Like king George then, it feels like San Diego is just buying a pennant without really figuring out how they are going to fit together.
The pieces still have to fit.
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You referenced earlier that the numbers are so high they are imaginary. It feels that way. What it reminds me of are the Yankees at the dawning of the free agent era. Like king George then, it feels like San Diego is just buying a pennant without really figuring out how they are going to fit together.
The pieces still have to fit.
While the cost is insanely high, they have insane flexibility in the infield. Machado can play SS/3B, Tatis SS/LF/RF, Bogaerts SS/3B/2B?....then Jake Cronenworth, who everyone forgets about, B2B All Star who can play 1B/2B/SS. And still have Kim at 2B/SS. Its a terrifying wealth of riches. Not even considering Soto in RF.
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While the cost is insanely high, they have insane flexibility in the infield. Machado can play SS/3B, Tatis SS/LF/RF, Bogaerts SS/3B/2B?....then Jake Cronenworth, who everyone forgets about, B2B All Star who can play 1B/2B/SS. And still have Kim at 2B/SS. Its a terrifying wealth of riches. Not even considering Soto in RF.
People forget that Soto will be a FA and Machado will have an opt out. These huge salaries aren't all locked in for 10 years.
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With the Cohen tax added in, the Mets payroll will be north of $420 million in 2023.
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This Brewers/A’s/Braves catcher swap is interesting. Not sure yet all the moving parts here, but I like Contreras going to Milwaukee. I have no idea yet what the Brewers traded away, so my opinion could change.
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Adames also going out. Not great. Not sure what the Brewers are doing with their infield.
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Adames also going out. Not great. Not sure what the Brewers are doing with their infield.
Is that confirmed? I haven’t seen that anywhere. Although, just Ruiz would be robbery.
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Is that confirmed? I haven’t seen that anywhere. Although, just Ruiz would be robbery.
Yeah, in looking more some people think Willy is in, others think he is not, and others think that's the hold up in the trade being finalized.
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Crew is trading Ruiz. Willy not part of trade.
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Crew is trading Ruiz. Willy not part of trade.
Wow. The Hader trade might end up being okay after all.
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Wow. The Hader trade might end up being okay after all.
There was rumors of a 2nd deadline deal that fell through. Wonder if this is related to that trade?
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There was rumors of a 2nd deadline deal that fell through. Wonder if this is related to that trade?
I had heard the Brewers thought they had Josh Bell at the deadline.
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Health is the reason it is such a big upgrade.
Cy Young winner vs. oft injured great pitcher who starts 12-14 games a year.
He threw 200 innings each of 17-19.
2020 was a covid year.
He had one lengthy injury that he has since returned from. Pitchers miss a year all the time for an injury, see JV.
There can be concerns at his age on the injury recurring. But "oft" injured is a false narrative.
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Good get for the Brewers. Ruiz could be good, but they have several guys who they probably think profile just as good or better in CF.
I have to say - I don't fully get the move for the Braves. They get one of the better all around Cs with multiple years of control, but they had a good one (albeit lacking in defense) and a good defensive backup. Seems like a lot to give up to make that happen.
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Good get for the Brewers. Ruiz could be good, but they have several guys who they probably think profile just as good or better in CF.
I have to say - I don't fully get the move for the Braves. They get one of the better all around Cs with multiple years of control, but they had a good one (albeit lacking in defense) and a good defensive backup. Seems like a lot to give up to make that happen.
Baseball America had 4 outfielders in the Brewers system rated higher than Ruiz.
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FWIW, The Athletic said the Brewers "won" the trade.
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Reports confirmed that the A’s and Cardinals almost made a deal for Murphy, the Cards first choice at catcher. Oakland asked for prospect Gordon Graceffo and either Lars Nootbaar or Brendan Donovan. Cards said no. Cards countered with any 2 of Carlson, Gorman, Yepez, Burelson. Oakland said no. So Cards signed Contreras.
Oakland wanted to take advantage of their catcher situation. They apparently really like Ruiz as a long term centerfielder.
Braves strongly preferred a defensive catcher and made the deal for Murphy.
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Correa to Giants, AAV isn’t terrible either ($350/13, I mean eventually it will be, but I thought he’d get $30 per).
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Correa to Giants, AAV isn’t terrible either ($350/13, I mean eventually it will be, but I thought he’d get $30 per).
Jed is a total whiff at this point. Can't carry Theo's jock strap.
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Reports confirmed that the A’s and Cardinals almost made a deal for Murphy, the Cards first choice at catcher. Oakland asked for prospect Gordon Graceffo and either Lars Nootbaar or Brendan Donovan. Cards said no. Cards countered with any 2 of Carlson, Gorman, Yepez, Burelson. Oakland said no. So Cards signed Contreras.
Oakland wanted to take advantage of their catcher situation. They apparently really like Ruiz as a long term centerfielder.
Braves strongly preferred a defensive catcher and made the deal for Murphy.
Are the A's moving to Vegas?
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Are the A's moving to Vegas?
Most likely, but nothing set in stone yet.
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Are the A's moving to Vegas?
Perpetually limbo. Best thing for them would be for Fisher to sell the team which is not on the horizon.
They recently missed a deadline for a waterfront project agreement. So, now the kick the can time table is…..by end of year, etc…lease is up in 2024.
Las Vegas possible locations have been Tropicana and Circus Circus. However, unlike the $750 million (sheesh) in public money the Raiders received, they would have to mostly privately fund it as the NHL team did there. They are seeking TIF money etc…
Perhaps Sternberg can sell in Tampa too.
If one is unable or unwilling to privately finance a stadium/facilities, then perhaps one doesn’t need to own a team.
And of course a few other cities/metros wait in the wings.
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If one is unable or unwilling to privately finance a stadium/facilities, then perhaps one doesn’t need to own a team.
Well sure ... but over the years many municipalities have been willing to put taxpayers on the hook for facilities. So why should any of these rich people think their cases will be different?
One of the richest men in the world owns the Carolina Panthers. In a few years, he will demand a new stadium -- and will demand significant taxpayer help paying for it. He might even threaten to move the team. And he almost surely will get what he's asking for. I don't love it, but that's just the way it is if a city wants to keep or attract a team.
Every once in awhile, a stadium is funded privately. That's a great thing, and I wish it happened more often, but those are outliers.
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Well sure ... but over the years many municipalities have been willing to put taxpayers on the hook for facilities. So why should any of these rich people think their cases will be different?
One of the richest men in the world owns the Carolina Panthers. In a few years, he will demand a new stadium -- and will demand significant taxpayer help paying for it. He might even threaten to move the team. And he almost surely will get what he's asking for. I don't love it, but that's just the way it is if a city wants to keep or attract a team.
Every once in awhile, a stadium is funded privately. That's a great thing, and I wish it happened more often, but those are outliers.
1) The question was Las Vegas MLB.
2) This is the baseball thread.
3) Man/most examples of public money are football stadiums. Las Vegas for example doesn’t currently have a big public money appetite after the recent public money football stadium. Hence the term limbo, and the examples of things dragging on and on with Oakland, Tampa etc….
As for football, there will always be billionaires seeking public money for their projects. And, some will get that. That doesn’t mean it’s a good thing.
As for Charlotte, Tepper has a net worth approaching $20 billion. The soccer team plays in an NFL stadium. And we’ll see how financing goes with a possible future MLB team facilities if and when that happens.
https://www.wcnc.com/amp/article/sports/nfl/panthers/david-tepper-gt-real-estate-city-of-rock-hill-20-million-settlement-panthers-rock-hill-training-facility-headquarters/275-990b16bb-6df9-463b-8f2b-c189e670c58e
As for baseball, here’s how that TIF money is going in Atlanta:
https://www.thecentersquare.com/georgia/report-braves-stadium-costing-cobb-county-taxpayers-15m-annually/article_db606e60-9e5e-11ec-97b6-a37e2dd445ca.html
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Numerous MLB teams play in ballparks financed in great part by taxpayer money -- including the one a large percentage of Scoopers root for, and including the one you root for ($45 million long-term loan under favorable terms).
I hope Vegas can do it privately if it happens. That's what everyone except for the billionaires would prefer.
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Numerous MLB teams play in ballparks financed in great part by taxpayer money -- including the one a large percentage of Scoopers root for, and including the one you root for ($45 million long-term loan under favorable terms).
I hope Vegas can do it privately if it happens. That's what everyone except for the billionaires would prefer.
In 2003. $45 million of the poject was a county loan with favorable terms to be repaid with interest of a $400 plus million project. And, a football stadium wasn't recently built nearby. Years later after getting fleeced in public money to build a football stadium, public money was voted against for an MLS stadium. A new ownership group emerged to largely privately finance the new $500 million soccer stadium which opened this year. (The owners were given $5.7 million in state tax credits.)
Las Vegas recently spent $750 million towards its new football stadium. By many accounts, they don't seem eager to spend a lot for a new baseball stadium.
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White Sox sign Benintendi for 5 years/$75 million.
The Chris Sale trade is now complete.
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Benintendi finally becomes a White Sox outfielder (the team was set to draft him in 2015 before Boston selected him one pick ahead of Chicago).
This deal is fine, not awful, not a home run signing.
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Benintendi finally becomes a White Sox outfielder (the team was set to draft him in 2015 before Boston selected him one pick ahead of Chicago).
This deal is fine, not awful, not a home run signing.
This means moving eloy to full time dh right?
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This means moving eloy to full time dh right?
Discounting the remote possibility that he gets traded I’d say yes.
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It’ll be funny next offseason when the Mets give Ohtani 10 years/$1 billion.
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Correa, Giants, Mets, oy.
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It’ll be funny next offseason when the Mets give Ohtani 10 years/$1 billion.
Shohei the money!
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Correa, Giants, Mets, oy.
Considering he hurriedly took a Mets deal that was 1 year and $35MM less than the Giants, those Giants doctors probably deserve a nice Christmas bonus. Not easy to poop in the punchbowl on a huge FA signing like that.
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Dansby got people getting teary eyed at the intro presser. He's not Correa or Trea Turner but he's gonna be an easy guy to root for.
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So is Correa going to play for the Kane County Cougars next year? At this rate, he’s not going to be insurable by an MLB team.
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So is Correa going to play for the Kane County Cougars next year? At this rate, he’s not going to be insurable by an MLB team.
Before he left here to go to the Twins, the Astros offered 5 years $160 million, and Correa turned it down. As Astros knew every injury from day one this was as far as they'd go. This is also because.... Except for his free agency lead up year of 2021, Carlos never played a full Astros season...he was oft injured. I still think it was reasonable, and seeing the issues others have, Astros offer was close to right on.
But the ship sailed before that year even began. Prior to 2021, Correa got so excited when his buddy Lindor signed his huge Mets FA deal, it became obvious to us here he expected that longer term around $300 million mega deal. Its been a rocky road ever since to reach that plateau and Correa may not ever get it.
Its worked out Ok here ...Jeremy Pena has Astros covered at SS for at least 5 years super cheap and no Correa freed up money for others, like Kyle Tucker and Framber Valdez, both of whom likely will be locked in for a longer stay, during this year. Heck Astros may even try to lock up Pena or Christian Javier... as they also saved a bunch on Verlander going to Mets.
I would expect Astros to still grab a backup catcher in a trade
and they'd like another utility...esp good fit is Yuli Gurriel on a 1 year deal
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Liam Hendriks diagnosed with non Hodgkins Lymphoma.
Prayers up for a good dude.
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Big news for PGsHeros
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Such a Twins way to end up with a big contract.
I like the deal though. Im not worried about 6 years of Correa.
Of course, this is all assuming we abandon the Twins way and view this as an actual window to go for broke and get other players. Cause we still kinda need some pitching......like always.
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Just sell the team, Mark https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1614138927257976832?t=pJfjZXmT-Fqv8xiQzBBHJA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1614138927257976832?t=pJfjZXmT-Fqv8xiQzBBHJA&s=19)
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Just sell the team, Mark https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1614138927257976832?t=pJfjZXmT-Fqv8xiQzBBHJA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1614138927257976832?t=pJfjZXmT-Fqv8xiQzBBHJA&s=19)
I mean…who cares? He’s going to be gone when he hits free agency in a couple of years.
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I mean…who cares? He’s going to be gone when he hits free agency in a couple of years.
The man is a former Cy Young winner. He's one of the best pitchers in the game. $10.75m is still a steal.
Couple of years?
Good lord.
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The man is a former Cy Young winner. He's one of the best pitchers in the game. $10.75m is still a steal.
Couple of years?
Good lord.
Yes. They have his rights for 23 and 24. Why pay more than they have to?
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Yes. They have his rights for 23 and 24. Why pay more than they have to?
COLE
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According to ESPN, balls and strikes will be determined by an electronic strike zone in half of the Triple-A games next season. The other half will be played with a challenge system, in which a manager can ask for a pitch to be reviewed using the electronic zone if he doesn't like the ump's call.
So MLB is doing some experimenting, and it would be surprising if the electronic zone wasn't used at the highest level in the next couple/few years.
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What happens first, electronic balls and strikes or a chip in the football to determine placement?
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Just sell the team, Mark https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1614138927257976832?t=pJfjZXmT-Fqv8xiQzBBHJA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1614138927257976832?t=pJfjZXmT-Fqv8xiQzBBHJA&s=19)
I’m no Attanasio fan, but it’s not good for the Brewers or any other team to fold on arbitration cases. Burnes and the Brewers are $750K apart. If every guy who was up for arby tried to milk the team for an extra $500K and the Brewers acquiesced, they’d be looking at $10+ million in unnecessary spending.
For the most part, the players understand this and likely aren’t too emotionally invested. It’s just business.
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What happens first, electronic balls and strikes or a chip in the football to determine placement?
Where do you put the chip in the ball?
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Where do you put the chip in the ball?
You put one in each nose and are then able to balance it and give orientation on the field.
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Where do you put the chip in the ball?
Just ask Bill Gates. He's an expert after having put semiconductors in all those Covid vaccines.