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DegenerateDish

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2022 MLB Thread
« on: November 28, 2021, 09:59:42 PM »
Figured I’d get this started on a wild day in MLB free agency that may end with Scherzer taking 3/120 from the Mets.

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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2021, 10:44:23 PM »
Do the Mets think they'll get the MLBPA to take a lesser deal if Scherzer (an executive committee rep) hits it big?

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2021, 11:03:01 PM »
At least the MLBPA can't accuse the owners of collusion this time.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2021, 08:58:18 AM »
How do you get one of those reputations like Eppler or Dombrowksi where you just get to come in after "rebuilds" and spend like a drunken sailor? Sweet gigs.

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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2021, 04:56:12 PM »
A billion bucks for a 50-year-old pitcher who couldn’t help his team in the NLCS because his arm was dead.

Sounds like it’s time for the owners to cry poor again.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2021, 08:16:37 AM »
The city of Detroit just got a whole lot more exciting.
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2021, 09:20:36 AM »
The city of Detroit just got a whole lot more exciting.

Yep ... it's now the taggiest, slidiest town in all of MLB!
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2021, 09:42:36 AM »
I am pleased.   I thought Correa could have gotten them to 88 wins.  I think a healthy Baez and continued progress with their youth gets them to 83 ish
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2021, 09:47:50 AM »
That Baez contract is awful, that's the worst signing by any team this offseason thus far. The Tigers are drunk with the bad contracts they've been handing out.

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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2021, 10:07:57 AM »
All the contracts are awful.  The Tigers were down to Cabrera's  Almost everybody else was very reasonable.   So, setting that aside....

Detroit went 77-85 last year with a 3-18 streak in late April into May.   They started at least 5 guys at shortstop that I can remember without research.   They started 5 different catchers that I can remember without research.   They had a cobbled together rotation with a few rookies in innings restrictions.

So they have gotten a starting catcher, a starting shortstop, and a quality, innings eating lefty.   Their shopping list may include another durable starter, but that is it.   If Hinch can continue to bring along the young guys and the team stays healthy-ish, I can easily see 83-85 wins.   And Avila has done a nice job of restocking the farm system after Dombrowski stripped it.
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2021, 11:15:41 AM »
Might be a bad deal but I knew Baez would get more than $20MM+.

That Seager deal is absolutely monstrous. But that’s what the Rangers do.  Good thing he got his ring so now he’ll go make a fortune playing on mediocre teams in Arlington as seems to be their MO
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2021, 11:17:59 AM »
It is the market rate.
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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2021, 12:32:05 PM »
All the contracts are awful.  The Tigers were down to Cabrera's  Almost everybody else was very reasonable.   So, setting that aside....

Detroit went 77-85 last year with a 3-18 streak in late April into May.   They started at least 5 guys at shortstop that I can remember without research.   They started 5 different catchers that I can remember without research.   They had a cobbled together rotation with a few rookies in innings restrictions.

So they have gotten a starting catcher, a starting shortstop, and a quality, innings eating lefty.   Their shopping list may include another durable starter, but that is it.   If Hinch can continue to bring along the young guys and the team stays healthy-ish, I can easily see 83-85 wins.   And Avila has done a nice job of restocking the farm system after Dombrowski stripped it.

Sounds like you need to borrow some excellent research reports from 9-9-9!

Seriously, I find myself rooting for the Tigers. All Detroit teams have been down for so long, and they have good fans who deserve more.
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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2021, 02:43:38 PM »
Not MLB related, but if you have a kid that plays baseball, kids are wearing their jerseys to school on Friday, Dec 3rd, to honor Jackson Sparks, the 8 year old that was killed in Waukesha.  He and his brother played for the Waukesha Blazers, a community based club.  Please help spread the word in the baseball community.

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2021, 06:07:47 PM »
Marcus Stroman to the Cubs.  Rumors around 5 years in the $110-120MM range.  Not sure what the Cubs vision is but I like Stroman a lot.  Came off a really nice year where he got very little support in his starts and was unlucky.

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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2021, 06:22:27 PM »
Marcus Stroman to the Cubs.  Rumors around 5 years in the $110-120MM range.  Not sure what the Cubs vision is but I like Stroman a lot.  Came off a really nice year where he got very little support in his starts and was unlucky.

Nothing wrong with Stroman but that would make his deal richer than Ray’s and Gausman’s which surprises me a bit. But Stroman has a good chance for better returns on that investment in the back half of the deal.

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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2021, 06:32:40 PM »
Nothing wrong with Stroman but that would make his deal richer than Ray’s and Gausman’s which surprises me a bit. But Stroman has a good chance for better returns on that investment in the back half of the deal.

I’d imagine it’s probably right equal or in line with them.  Which seems about right.  They had a bit more accolades in 2021 than Stroman but I think he’s pretty comparable

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2021, 10:35:27 PM »
Marcus Stroman to the Cubs.  Rumors around 5 years in the $110-120MM range.  Not sure what the Cubs vision is but I like Stroman a lot.  Came off a really nice year where he got very little support in his starts and was unlucky.

Agree. I like Stroman the best of the trio.

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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2021, 10:41:53 PM »
Marcus Stroman to the Cubs.  Rumors around 5 years in the $110-120MM range.  Not sure what the Cubs vision is but I like Stroman a lot.  Came off a really nice year where he got very little support in his starts and was unlucky.

He's a very good fit for Wrigley too. This is a good signing for them if the value is what you've cited.

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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2021, 11:02:25 PM »
Thank you, Red Sox?
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2021, 11:42:27 PM »
Thank you, Red Sox?

The prospects aren't nothing, but it opens up $2MM this year, and if Renfroe has another good year the Brewers should have to pay him about what they would have had to pay JBJ not to play for them.

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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2021, 12:00:32 AM »
The prospects aren't nothing, but it opens up $2MM this year, and if Renfroe has another good year the Brewers should have to pay him about what they would have had to pay JBJ not to play for them.

Agreed, seemed like a very reasonable trade for both sides. Buying the two decent prospects for the cost of Bradley makes sense. Renfroe should do well in Milwaukee at a reasonable price in 2022, and then we’ll see if they tender him in 2023 knowing it’ll cost above $10 mil.

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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2021, 12:59:34 AM »
The MLB lockout took effect a few minutes ago

...but somehow this thread is not locked too
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2021, 06:59:58 AM »
Going to AZ in March with my brother and hoping to catch a couple of ST exhibitions, so we'll see if this thing is settled by then. History suggests probably not.

Our trip isn't built around ST, though, so that's good.
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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2021, 08:40:26 AM »
I’d imagine it’s probably right equal or in line with them.  Which seems about right.  They had a bit more accolades in 2021 than Stroman but I think he’s pretty comparable

Hahah, I like how the Cy Young is a bit more accolades.  Haha.  Its pretty funny, he is comparable in that he isn't really comparable at all, at least to Ray.
Stroman for the most part is pretty consistent.  He isn't going to K a bunch of guys or BB a bunch of guys, but he is going to give you good innings and a pretty good ERA and a chance to win most of the games he pitches. 

Ray gives you a much higher ceiling as a pitcher.  He clearly has the stuff to dominate (as evidenced by winning a Cy Young pitching for the Blue Jays).  But he can also be terrible.  He is going to strike out a ton more guys, and walk a ton more guys.  If he is the guy he was last year then his deal is a great deal.  If he is the guy he was in 2020, its a terrible deal.  If he is the guy he was in 2019, its an overpay, but not quite hideous. 

So in the end, its funny that they are a bit comparable, because their results are so completely different.