Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets

[TSmith34, Inc.]

If IL/WI is a NET wash for MU, what does spanking the #5 team in NET do?

[PointWarrior]

My bucky friends did not even want to acknowledge the MU sweep against Nova after their beatdown by IL.

[Lennys Tap]

I enjoyed seeing Madison lose.

+1000

[MarquetteMike1977]

Marquette is #25 in the NET today

[tower912]

What does IL drubbing Wisco do to MU's net?

It just warms the heart.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of February 2 ,2022
New Old
7   5   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
20   18   Xavier   
25   27   Marquette   
29   29   Providence   
42   41   Seton Hall   
67   65   Creighton   
95   96   St. John's
111   110   DePaul   
127   132   Butler   
198   203   Georgetown   
February 3 Team Sheets . Marquette is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

[1SE]

Blind resume comparison. A or B?

          A      B
Q1A   2-4   3-4
Q1    2-2   4-1
Q2   3-0   2-1
Q3   5-0   3-1
Q4   4-0   4-0

[lawdog77]

From a quick glance, as of right now it looks like we have played the most Q1 games, and are tied with the most Q1 wins.

[1SE]

From a quick glance, as of right now it looks like we have played the most Q1 games, and are tied with the most Q1 wins.

Resume would look even better if the Bonnies would have kept their heads from the a$$es

[PGsHeroes32]

Blind resume comparison. A or B?

          A      B
Q1A   2-4   3-4
Q1    2-2   4-1
Q2   3-0   2-1
Q3   5-0   3-1
Q4   4-0   4-0

B!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha pretty obvious who the two teams were immediately. Wild through.

[PGsHeroes32]

Resume would look even better if the Bonnies would have kept their heads from the a$$es

Yeah it sucks that they basically suck now.

Top 25 team returns like everyone. A team of seniors beats a super young team on a neutral floor in November.

Very reasonable we lost it. Now its a damn Q3 game.

[1SE]

Yeah it sucks that they basically suck now.

Top 25 team returns like everyone. A team of seniors beats a super young team on a neutral floor in November.

Very reasonable we lost it. Now its a damn Q3 game.

Same as if we'd lost to DePaul at home...

[PGsHeroes32]

Biggest bummer is our win combined with Kstates win did absolutely nothing to move them off the literal Q1 bubble. They stayed right at 75.

Must of been other results of their that hurt.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Biggest bummer is our win combined with Kstates win did absolutely nothing to move them off the literal Q1 bubble. They stayed right at 75.

Must of been other results of their that hurt.

Beating Okst at home by 3 probably hurt their NET slightly

[PGsHeroes32]

Beating Okst at home by 3 probably hurt their NET slightly

Since the spread was like 2.5 and Ok state was like 60 in the NET didnt think it would. But honestly I know basically nothing about NET

[MuggsyB]

Moved  up to #25  in the NET. 

I believe that's 7 quad 1 wins for MU

#3 SOS

*I believe ESPN had on their ticker that according to the "BPI" Nova had a 78% chance of winning last night.  Oh....okay.

[brewcity77]

Moved  up to #25  in the NET. 

I believe that's 7 quad 1 wins for MU

#3 SOS

*I believe ESPN had on their ticker that according to the "BPI" Nova had a 78% chance of winning last night.  Oh....okay.

BPI is trash. It's a travesty that they include it on the Team Sheet over options like T-Rank or Haslametrics.

[PGsHeroes32]

Moved  up to #25  in the NET. 

I believe that's 7 quad 1 wins for MU

#3 SOS

*I believe ESPN had on their ticker that according to the "BPI" Nova had a 78% chance of winning last night.  Oh....okay.

ESPN BPI finally has us in the top 50!!

Checking in at 44

Thing is a joke

[Shooter McGavin]

BPI is trash. It's a travesty that they include it on the Team Sheet over options like T-Rank or Haslametrics.

What's MU's BPI?  If someone already knows.  I don't even want to give it page views.

[MU82]

BPI is trash. It's a travesty that they include it on the Team Sheet over options like T-Rank or Haslametrics.

Didn't kenpom and torvik also forecast a solid Nova win?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Didn't kenpom and torvik also forecast a solid Nova win?

I think KP projected a 3 or 4 point win for Nova

[MuggsyB]

BPI is trash. It's a travesty that they include it on the Team Sheet over options like T-Rank or Haslametrics.

I get we wouldn't be favored but a 22% chance on our home floor Brew?  Is this a basketball metric or a clown throwing at a dart board? 

[MU82]

I think KP projected a 3 or 4 point win for Nova

That seems like a "solid" road win. But no, it's not a 78% chance like the other crazy predictor stat.

I'm just grateful that they actually decided to play the games or else we'd be 7-16.

[brewcity77]

Didn't kenpom and torvik also forecast a solid Nova win?

Yes, and justifiably so, but BPI is terrible not because of Marquette but because it always has some inexplicable outliers. Boise State is top-40 in every other metric, but 53 in BPI. BYU is top-42 in every other metric, but 62 in BPI. Colorado State is top-50 everywhere else, #88 in BPI.

When it comes to seeding and the bubble, looking at a team's average computer ranking using the 5 metrics on the team sheet (KPI, SOR, BPI, kenpom, Sagarin) is an easy way to sort and slot teams. For Marquette, when our average in the other 4 drops from 21.5 to 26 when you include BPI, that means we potentially drop a line or two. But for a team like CSU, who drops from 43 to 52, that could very well knock them out of the tournament.

Meanwhile, ACC teams are overrated by BPI with 9 in the top-67 (Pomeroy has just 6). Virginia Tech is #26 in BPI, no better than 42 anywhere else, Clemson is #49 in BPI, no better than 64 anywhere else. I don't like that the metric created and marketed by ESPN, which has a monetary reason to favor certain leagues due to television contracts, is put on the team sheet, especially when you see suspect results like that which prop ACC teams up while dragging some mid-majors down. I would rather see Haslam or Torvik on there even though both are UW-Madison grads because their systems don't seem to have the same blatant bias.

[MuggsyB]

Yes, and justifiably so, but BPI is terrible not because of Marquette but because it always has some inexplicable outliers. Boise State is top-40 in every other metric, but 53 in BPI. BYU is top-42 in every other metric, but 62 in BPI. Colorado State is top-50 everywhere else, #88 in BPI.

When it comes to seeding and the bubble, looking at a team's average computer ranking using the 5 metrics on the team sheet (KPI, SOR, BPI, kenpom, Sagarin) is an easy way to sort and slot teams. For Marquette, when our average in the other 4 drops from 21.5 to 26 when you include BPI, that means we potentially drop a line or two. But for a team like CSU, who drops from 43 to 52, that could very well knock them out of the tournament.

Meanwhile, ACC teams are overrated by BPI with 9 in the top-67 (Pomeroy has just 6). Virginia Tech is #26 in BPI, no better than 42 anywhere else, Clemson is #49 in BPI, no better than 64 anywhere else. I don't like that the metric created and marketed by ESPN, which has a monetary reason to favor certain leagues due to television contracts, is put on the team sheet, especially when you see suspect results like that which prop ACC teams up while dragging some mid-majors down. I would rather see Haslam or Torvik on there even though both are UW-Madison grads because their systems don't seem to have the same blatant bias.

TY Brew.  In other words it's a complete clown show and should not have anything to do with the metrics that determine rankings or tournament seeding.