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Title: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on November 16, 2021, 09:02:22 AM
Big East Poll Rankings as of November 15:
AP
5. Nova
23. U Conn
Others Receiving Votes: X, The Hall, The Johnnies 
Coaches
Will update when they update their poll for games played.
NET Rankings
Will post when they start coming out
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 12:54:55 PM
Big East Poll Rankings as of November 22

AP
7. Nova
21. The Hall
23 .U Conn
25. X

Others Receiving Votes
MU

Coaches
7.Nova
20. The Hall
21. U Conn

Others receiving votes
X, MU

Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on November 22, 2021, 03:18:52 PM
Big East Poll Rankings as of November 22

AP
7. Nova
21. The Hall
23 .U Conn
25. X

Others Receiving Votes
MU

Coaches
7.Nova
20. The Hall
21. U Conn

Others receiving votes
X, MU

Marquette #32 in writers poll and # 36 Coaches Poll. Marquette NET 93
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 03:21:04 PM
Marquette #32 in writers poll and # 36 Coaches Poll. Marquette NET 93
That NET is from last year. Will be posting NET rankings once they are available for this season.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on November 22, 2021, 03:24:32 PM
That NET is from last year. Will be posting NET rankings once they are available for this season.

Thank You.
Understand they are not using RPI anymore and it is very early but
But CBS has Marquette’s RPI dropping from
#9 to #22 after the Saint Bonaventure loss.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: VanderBlueFanClub on November 22, 2021, 09:00:50 PM
Seton Hall just lost to OSU, could hurt them next monday. Also hope we can win by 20+ against Northern Illinois because just looking at the New Hampshire and SIUE scores we don't look very good.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: forgetful on November 22, 2021, 09:42:11 PM
Seton Hall just lost to OSU, could hurt them next monday. Also hope we can win by 20+ against Northern Illinois because just looking at the New Hampshire and SIUE scores we don't look very good.

I thought I read that the NET removed scoring margin from their algorithm.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: We R Final Four on November 22, 2021, 09:50:18 PM
Seton Hall just lost to OSU, could hurt them next monday. Also hope we can win by 20+ against Northern Illinois because just looking at the New Hampshire and SIUE scores we don't look very good.
I think Shaka will play EE and Stevie for extended periods of time before he entertains the idea of winning margins.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on November 29, 2021, 01:19:16 PM
Big East Poll Rankings as of November 29,2021

AP
6. Nova
17. U-Conn
25. The Hall
Others Receiving Votes
MU, X
Coaches
6.Nova
17.U-Conn
Others Receiving Votes
The Hall, MU, X, Cooley & Company
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on November 29, 2021, 02:32:04 PM

Understand they are not using RPI anymore and it is very early but
But CBS has Marquette’s RPI dropping from
#9 to #22 after the Saint Bonaventure loss.

Marquette #31 in Coaches Poll #34 Writers Poll

Marquette CBS RPI #17
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 29, 2021, 06:47:52 PM
Marquette #31 in Coaches Poll #34 Writers Poll

Marquette CBS RPI #17

RPI?  Ha!   We haven’t won by enough and have lost by too much.  I’m thinking we should be about 150-200 range in the statistical rating system I’m putting together.  Wins and losses no matta, hey?  Just like free throws. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 29, 2021, 07:07:27 PM
RPI?  Ha!   We haven’t won by enough and have lost by too much.  I’m thinking we should be about 150-200 range in the statistical rating system I’m putting together.  Wins and losses no matta, hey?  Just like free throws.

53 in the DR, hey?

https://www.dratings.com/sports/ncaa-college-basketball-ratings/#scroll-ratings
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 29, 2021, 08:52:16 PM
53 in the DR, hey?

https://www.dratings.com/sports/ncaa-college-basketball-ratings/#scroll-ratings

DB is your site more reflective of the NET than Kenpom? 
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 05, 2021, 07:48:32 PM
RPI?  Ha!   We haven’t won by enough and have lost by too much.  I’m thinking we should be about 150-200 range in the statistical rating system I’m putting together.  Wins and losses no matta, hey?  Just like free throws.

Agree RPI does not matter much anymore but after Marquette WI MU’s RPI is 19 and before Marquette UW MU was a 9 Seed in Joe Lunardi’s Bracketology.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2021, 07:53:30 PM
Agree RPI does not matter much anymore but after Marquette WI MU’s RPI is 19 and before Marquette UW MU was a 9 Seed in Joe Lunardi’s Bracketology.

FIFY
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 05, 2021, 08:07:00 PM
FIFY
Lol thank you haha but being we have no net yet. There is a reason multiple sources including CBS publicize it yet. Wish the net would come out soon. And Lunardi has been doing Bracketology for long time. True do not like ESPN as much these days but thought some might like some of it yet.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2021, 08:11:47 PM
Lol thank you haha but being we have no net yet. There is a reason multiple sources including CBS publicize it yet. Wish the net would come out soon. And Lunardi has been doing Bracketology for long time. True do not like ESPN as much these days but thought some might like some of it yet.

Better to use kenpom or Torvik filtered for current season only than RPI. The computer metrics more closely approximate NET. RPI is completely useless when it comes to the sport or prognostication. And while Lunardi was one of the first, he's far from the best. I'd look at Dave Omman, Kevin Pulsipher, or Delphi Bracketology if you want something that will look like that the Selection Committee will come up with.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 05, 2021, 08:42:20 PM
Better to use kenpom or Torvik filtered for current season only than RPI. The computer metrics more closely approximate NET. RPI is completely useless when it comes to the sport or prognostication. And while Lunardi was one of the first, he's far from the best. I'd look at Dave Omman, Kevin Pulsipher, or Delphi Bracketology if you want something that will look like that the Selection Committee will come up with.
Thanks just subscribed to kenpom.
Kenpom has Marquette at #78 Overall and #8 in the Big East currently.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Bocephys on December 06, 2021, 09:22:23 AM
Thanks just subscribed to kenpom.
Kenpom has Marquette at #78 Overall and #8 in the Big East currently.

#78 in the just released NET rankings as well.  The NCAA must have finally subscribed to KenPom as well.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 06, 2021, 09:26:12 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of December 5, 2021
5      Villanova   
13      UConn   
21      Seton Hall   
30      Xavier   
37      Providence
78      Marquette   
89      Creighton   
94      DePaul   
108      St. John's
197      Butler   
247      Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: CountryRoads on December 06, 2021, 10:27:14 AM
It’s very early, but the NET is not in MU’s favor initially. Both Illinois and UCLA are Q2 games currently. Hoping they move up to Q1 by season’s end.

Georgetown and DePaul are essentially buy level games. Need all of those.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 06, 2021, 12:02:18 PM
Haven't done a bracket yet, but my rough expectation for Marquette now is...

17-18 wins: NIT
19 wins: NCAA bubble, NIT or Dayton
20 wins: NCAA bubble, likely avoid Dayton
21+ wins: Comfortably in

On a straight game-by-game predictive metric, we're expected to win 14 games. Margin matters, but I'd imagine every win above that improves our NET by about 4.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 06, 2021, 12:43:52 PM
Haven't done a bracket yet, but my rough expectation for Marquette now is...

17-18 wins: NIT
19 wins: NCAA bubble, NIT or Dayton
20 wins: NCAA bubble, likely avoid Dayton
21+ wins: Comfortably in

On a straight game-by-game predictive metric, we're expected to win 14 games. Margin matters, but I'd imagine every win above that improves our NET by about 4.

I think if we can win 1 of @K State and UCLA, and go 10-10 in BE, Marquette will be in the tournament.   MAJOR ifs, but that is theoretically 18 wins with a first round BET exit, which you have as NIT. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2021, 12:45:31 PM
Haven't done a bracket yet, but my rough expectation for Marquette now is...

17-18 wins: NIT
19 wins: NCAA bubble, NIT or Dayton
20 wins: NCAA bubble, likely avoid Dayton
21+ wins: Comfortably in

On a straight game-by-game predictive metric, we're expected to win 14 games. Margin matters, but I'd imagine every win above that improves our NET by about 4.

If this were a poll, my preference would be the 21+ wins thing!

Seriously, thanks for this handy-dandy guide. I'm really curious to see how we finish up the non-con part of our season this week.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 06, 2021, 01:24:30 PM
 Big East Poll Rankings December 6,2021

AP
6. Nova
15.U-Conn
23. The Hall
Others receiving votes :
X
Coaches
6. Nova
18. U-Conn
25. The Hall

Others Receiving Votes
X, Cooley & Company
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 06, 2021, 04:27:00 PM
I think if we can win 1 of @K State and UCLA, and go 10-10 in BE, Marquette will be in the tournament.   MAJOR ifs, but that is theoretically 18 wins with a first round BET exit, which you have as NIT.

I really don't think we'll have the metrics without at least 19 wins. It would likely leave us with a NET in the 60s. So far, only two sub-60 NET teams have earned at-large bids. #63 Arizona State with 22 wins and #73 St John's with 21 wins, both in 2019. They also both had multiple wins over teams on the 5 or better seed lines. Now maybe if you include wins over Nova and UConn in those 10, but while our NET will improve by exceeding our projected win total, I don't think 18 will be enough.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 06, 2021, 04:31:15 PM
Also, Georgetown and Butler look horrible. Not just in the NET, but their actual results don't look like high major teams. So that's 4 games you better win but don't expect a resume boost from them. Going 6-10 against the non-completely garbage teams probably won't be enough.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Nukem2 on December 06, 2021, 04:53:22 PM
Also, Georgetown and Butler look horrible. Not just in the NET, but their actual results don't look like high major teams. So that's 4 games you better win but don't expect a resume boost from them. Going 6-10 against the non-completely garbage teams probably won't be enough.
G-Town is 3-2 in Quad 4 wins and losses.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 06, 2021, 05:45:26 PM
G-Town is 3-2 in Quad 4 wins and losses.

Ewing must be pretty abrasive if all those kids keep transferring out.  Something is really wrong at Georgetown. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 07, 2021, 12:30:38 AM
Marquette’s Kenpom rating moved from 78 to 77
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: tower912 on December 07, 2021, 06:14:28 AM
Win enough games and beat good teams and it works itself out.   Lose too many games and it works itself out.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Scoop Snoop on December 07, 2021, 07:28:07 AM
Ewing must be pretty abrasive if all those kids keep transferring out.  Something is really wrong at Georgetown.

I once thought that it would be great to have an alumnus as our coach but after seeing what happened at St. John's and what is happening at Georgetown (and possibly Butler as well) I am glad that we do not have an alumnus as coach. The divorce is especially messy unless the coach is the one to make the decision to leave without obvious prodding from the school.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2021, 07:43:33 AM
I once thought that it would be great to have an alumnus as our coach but after seeing what happened at St. John's and what is happening at Georgetown (and possibly Butler as well) I am glad that we do not have an alumnus as coach. The divorce is especially messy unless the coach is the one to make the decision to leave without obvious prodding from the school.

I believe Ewing can coach but roster construction is pretty damn important. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 07, 2021, 08:15:00 AM
I once thought that it would be great to have an alumnus as our coach but after seeing what happened at St. John's and what is happening at Georgetown (and possibly Butler as well) I am glad that we do not have an alumnus as coach. The divorce is especially messy unless the coach is the one to make the decision to leave without obvious prodding from the school.

To be fair I think hiring your superstar alumnus is different than an alum who's proven themselves. Wardle has proven to be at least fairly capable (not at a huge level or deserving of a huge level) so that'd be different than us hiring Wade like SJU and GTown did. Butler f'd up, I mean how did they think hiring a guy who's only year was 11-24 in the horizon was going to work out?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: UWW2MU on December 07, 2021, 08:22:03 AM
Marquette’s Kenpom rating moved from 78 to 77

You mean from 78 to now 71.      Illinois with a good win against Iowa moved them from 48 to 30 and they dragged us up a bit with them.  I'd expect them to continue to do that a bit as the season rolls on.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 07, 2021, 08:41:46 AM
You mean from 78 to now 71.      Illinois with a good win against Iowa moved them from 48 to 30 and they dragged us up a bit with them.  I'd expect them to continue to do that a bit as the season rolls on.

Kenpom 77.  You talking NET?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: UWW2MU on December 07, 2021, 08:43:51 AM
Kenpom 77.  You talking NET?


Ohhhh, yes I was.  Sorry, was skimming and since it was a thread about NET that's where my mind went.   In conclusion, yes moved up to 71 in NET ranking.   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Scoop Snoop on December 07, 2021, 08:46:25 AM
To be fair I think hiring your superstar alumnus is different than an alum who's proven themselves. Wardle has proven to be at least fairly capable (not at a huge level or deserving of a huge level) so that'd be different than us hiring Wade like SJU and GTown did. Butler f'd up, I mean how did they think hiring a guy who's only year was 11-24 in the horizon was going to work out?

Fair point regarding a super star like Wade. Ewing had experience in the NBA but not as a college HC. Agreee on Jordan. Yet even an alumnus who has proven himself at another school may or may not be the ideal coach and if it does not work out, a divorce may be messy. We had Majerus who, to put it mildly, was not a super star at Marquette and Syracuse has had Cryin' Jim for decades, so I'm not saying it cannot work out. I just think it is probably best to hire non alumni as coaches.

Majerus was in a polysci class I took at MU. Even as an undergrad, he had that same patented goofy look on his face you may have seen during games.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2021, 08:51:37 AM
No star alum as MU coach? There goes Ners' hopes and dreams!
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: tower912 on December 07, 2021, 08:54:52 AM
You've got experience, 82.    You could be next.    You may be too old, though.    ;D
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2021, 09:43:16 AM
You've got experience, 82.    You could be next.    You may be too old, though.    ;D

Hey ... I'm nearly 2 years younger than Calipari!

But the Shaka-cons would hate my defense, as it is similar to his ... in set-up, anyway. Not very many 6-5, long-armed middle-school kids.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 07, 2021, 10:09:38 AM
I really don't think we'll have the metrics without at least 19 wins. It would likely leave us with a NET in the 60s. So far, only two sub-60 NET teams have earned at-large bids. #63 Arizona State with 22 wins and #73 St John's with 21 wins, both in 2019. They also both had multiple wins over teams on the 5 or better seed lines. Now maybe if you include wins over Nova and UConn in those 10, but while our NET will improve by exceeding our projected win total, I don't think 18 will be enough.

Fair enough.  I think it would be tough to leave a team out with a .500 BE record, no bad non-con losses, and non-con wins over Illinois, West Virginia, Ole Miss and K State/UCLA.  But I'd certainly feel better at 11-9, or winning a couple games in NYC.

That said, 10-10 is going to be a very tall ask, so this hypothetical is probably more fantasy than anything else.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 07, 2021, 10:30:09 AM
Fair enough.  I think it would be tough to leave a team out with a .500 BE record, no bad non-con losses, and non-con wins over Illinois, West Virginia, Ole Miss and K State/UCLA.  But I'd certainly feel better at 11-9, or winning a couple games in NYC.

That said, 10-10 is going to be a very tall ask, so this hypothetical is probably more fantasy than anything else.

I hope 10-10 is not a fantasy.  But if we do collapse it will be similar to the DePaul season a couple years ago when they had a great nonconference season and then imploded in conference.

That would leave a bad taste in all our mouths and I believe lead to transfers out of the program and a possible Georgetown death spiral.

I don’t think that will happen.   Too much talent on this team even though it is young.  And if Shaka is as competent a coach as we all hope he can extract enough wins out of this team to get us to 10-10 or 9-11 at worst.  Let’s hope so anyway. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: wadesworld on December 07, 2021, 10:33:56 AM
I hope 10-10 is not a fantasy.  But if we do collapse it will be similar to the DePaul season a couple years ago when they had a great nonconference season and then imploded in conference.

That would leave a bad taste in all our mouths and I believe lead to transfers out of the program and a possible Georgetown death spiral.

I don’t think that will happen.   Too much talent on this team even though it is young.  And if Shaka is as competent a coach as we all hope he can extract enough wins out of this team to get us to 10-10 or 9-11 at worst.  Let’s hope so anyway.

But where is the talent, really?  Morsell was an Honorable Mention Big Ten player twice.  Has anybody else on our roster made any kind of All Conference team in their careers?  Are the kids who are in their first season of college basketball 5 stars who will make it this year?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 07, 2021, 10:48:01 AM
But where is the talent, really?  Morsell was an Honorable Mention Big Ten player twice.  Has anybody else on our roster made any kind of All Conference team in their careers?  Are the kids who are in their first season of college basketball 5 stars who will make it this year?

I’m not talking win the conference talent.  I’m talking enough talent to go .500 or very close to it.  Five wins (for example) in conference would be concerning with GT and Butler as bottom feeders in addition to winnable games against the middle tier teams.   We didn’t beat WV and Ole Miss by accident.  There is enough talent that good coaching should get us near .500. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: tower912 on December 07, 2021, 11:18:36 AM
Hey ... I'm nearly 2 years younger than Calipari!

But the Shaka-cons would hate my defense, as it is similar to his ... in set-up, anyway. Not very many 6-5, long-armed middle-school kids.
I feel for you.


You should patent Shaka-con.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 07, 2021, 01:47:35 PM
I hope 10-10 is not a fantasy.  But if we do collapse it will be similar to the DePaul season a couple years ago when they had a great nonconference season and then imploded in conference.

That would leave a bad taste in all our mouths and I believe lead to transfers out of the program and a possible Georgetown death spiral.

I don’t think that will happen.   Too much talent on this team even though it is young.  And if Shaka is as competent a coach as we all hope he can extract enough wins out of this team to get us to 10-10 or 9-11 at worst.  Let’s hope so anyway.

I mean, there is talent on this team for sure.  But its so young.  Consistency is clearly a problem, and is shot making.  We've been dismantled by the 2 best teams we've played, and we beat Illinois at home without their best player.  All in all, I've been pleasantly surprised by this team.  I thought we'd be 5-4 right now, so I am happy that a tournament conversation is even on the table at this point.  But I think this team is more likely to go 0-5 in its next 5 than 3-2.  So I guess let's see where we stand on December 30th. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 07, 2021, 02:52:41 PM
Win enough games and beat good teams and it works itself out.   Lose too many games and it works itself out.

Yes and no. This was definitely the case when RPI was the main metric, but now that they are using an efficiency based metric, how much you win or lose by is just about as important. Colorado State didn't miss the tournament last year because they didn't beat enough good teams. They had a higher winning percentage, better Q1+2 record, and no bad losses compared to fellow MWC league mate Utah State.

But USU was ranked #47 in the NET and CSU was #63. If it was just about winning enough games and beating good teams, CSU's RPI of #41 would've got them in ahead of #56 USU, but now it's about minimizing loss margins and winning in blowout fashion that matters more.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 07, 2021, 03:03:10 PM
That said, 10-10 is going to be a very tall ask, so this hypothetical is probably more fantasy than anything else.

I'm not sure about that. Georgetown and Butler so far are gross levels of bad. Creighton and DePaul might be a little better, but I think 6 wins from those 8 games should be the minimum expectation. I think 4-8 in the rest of the games, with 6 at home, is certainly a realistic, if not modest, hope.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2021, 04:27:38 PM
If the ‘Quette loses a game to Georgetown or Butler, they should revoke everyone’s scholarships
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on December 07, 2021, 05:12:39 PM
Yes and no. This was definitely the case when RPI was the main metric, but now that they are using an efficiency based metric, how much you win or lose by is just about as important. Colorado State didn't miss the tournament last year because they didn't beat enough good teams. They had a higher winning percentage, better Q1+2 record, and no bad losses compared to fellow MWC league mate Utah State.

But USU was ranked #47 in the NET and CSU was #63. If it was just about winning enough games and beating good teams, CSU's RPI of #41 would've got them in ahead of #56 USU, but now it's about minimizing loss margins and winning in blowout fashion that matters more.

Solid info. This seems like an unfortunate consequence of metrics system.

I could look it up but you already know the answer- did SDSU win both regular season and conference tourneys? Why were CSUs metrics so poor in comparison to USU? If I recall they started off really well so I assume they played a really weak OOC schedule and their bye games were against very weak teams so this was the difference?

Since you are obviously a metrics guy I think this is a good question for you-
Do you look at this case and see a flaw in the system? Would you have preferred that someone in that room had stepped up and caught it and CSU was put in before USU or you think the committee got it right and have no problem with it?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2021, 05:13:26 PM
Yes and no. This was definitely the case when RPI was the main metric, but now that they are using an efficiency based metric, how much you win or lose by is just about as important. Colorado State didn't miss the tournament last year because they didn't beat enough good teams. They had a higher winning percentage, better Q1+2 record, and no bad losses compared to fellow MWC league mate Utah State.

But USU was ranked #47 in the NET and CSU was #63. If it was just about winning enough games and beating good teams, CSU's RPI of #41 would've got them in ahead of #56 USU, but now it's about minimizing loss margins and winning in blowout fashion that matters more.

I don't like that a coach who's winning by 14 with 1:30 left needs to keep his foot on the gas so he can win by 21. I don't like that a coach who's losing by 15 has to keep his better players in a lost-cause game so it doesn't end up being a 20-point loss. It's a flaw in the system IMHO, and it could get players hurt.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2021, 07:45:49 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of December 6, 2021
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
11   13   UConn   
23   21   Seton Hall   
31   30   Xavier   
34   37   Providence   
71   78   Marquette   
90   89   Creighton   
96   94   DePaul   
106   108   St. John's
199   197   Butler   
248   247   Georgetown
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 07, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Solid info. This seems like an unfortunate consequence of metrics system.

I could look it up but you already know the answer- did SDSU win both regular season and conference tourneys? Why were CSUs metrics so poor in comparison to USU? If I recall they started off really well so I assume they played a really weak OOC schedule and their bye games were against very weak teams so this was the difference?

Since you are obviously a metrics guy I think this is a good question for you-
Do you look at this case and see a flaw in the system? Would you have preferred that someone in that room had stepped up and caught it and CSU was put in before USU or you think the committee got it right and have no problem with it?

SDSU did win both. There were three main things that jumped out. Looking at comparable events that likely led to their kenpom difference (which is the closest analogue to NET), two things stood out.

Where I see real differences are the average margin of loss (9.8 for USU, 12.5 for CSU) and the average winning margin against their 6 worst opponents (33.3 for USU, 27.7 for CSU). That really jumps out because of those 6, 5 were common opponents, so it's a pretty clear direct comparison that shows blowing teams out by larger margins matters.

My problem with NET is that it is primarily based on efficiency margin differential. On the surface, that's fine, but look at what a couple blowouts can do to a team. Last year, Louisville was projected to lose at Wisconsin and at UNC, but because they lost at Wisconsin by 37 instead of 4 and at UNC by 45 instead of 1, they saw a combined kenpom hit of 29 rank spots between those two games. They lost games they were supposed to lose, but the margins likely cost them 20-30 rank spots and a NCAA bid. Margin should matter, but the problem with a season-long metric is that it views the difference between 1 and 11 points the same way it does 31 and 41 points. There should be a regressive model where the bigger the margin, the less it matters. 1 vs 11 is tangibly different, more so than say 20 vs 40, both commanding, blowout margins.

My second issue with NET is their "cap" of 10 points. They claim they have a maximum game margin difference of 10 points, but when the primary evaluation tool is an efficiency margin that works on margin differential, the 10 point cap is actually a bonus added on top of the existing efficiency margin.

I do think NET is better than RPI. I like advanced metrics and think they have improved the game. But I think there's still room for improvement.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: mubb3434 on December 08, 2021, 06:26:30 AM
Butler moved from 199 to 121 in NET after their win at Oklahoma. What a MASSIVE result for the league.

Marquette moves up 4 spots to 67

Providence moves up to 31 after their solid win vs. a solid Vermont squad

Really good day for the Big East!
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: mug644 on December 08, 2021, 07:19:03 AM
Hopefully the Big East can get another 4 wins tonight. Looks like UConn-West Virginia and MU-KSU should be the toughest matchups. Xavier should handle Ball St, but maybe we can count on G'town taking care of business against UMBC.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2021, 09:38:30 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 7, 2021
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
10   11   UConn   
25   23   Seton Hall   
31   34   Providence   
33   31   Xavier   
67   71   Marquette   
83   96   DePaul   
87   90   Creighton   
113   106   St. John's
121   199   Butler   
245   248   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 08, 2021, 10:56:28 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 7, 2021
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
10   11   UConn   
25   23   Seton Hall   
31   34   Providence   
33   31   Xavier   
67   71   Marquette   
83   96   DePaul   
87   90   Creighton   
113   106   St. John's
121   199   Butler   
245   248   Georgetown

Good Stuff Thanks
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: mubb3434 on December 09, 2021, 08:40:56 AM
Marquette moves from 67 to 60 in the NET this morning.

Of note, Xavier moved to 20 from 33 & Georgetown moved to 205 from 245.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 09, 2021, 10:06:20 AM
Marquette moves from 67 to 60 in the NET this morning.

Of note, Xavier moved to 20 from 33 & Georgetown moved to 205 from 245.

I was going to say I found it weird that X is 8-1 and beat Ohio State who has two losses yet Ohio State is somehow ranked and X is only receiving votes. B10 bias?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 09, 2021, 10:10:59 AM
I was going to say I found it weird that X is 8-1 and beat Ohio State who has two losses yet Ohio State is somehow ranked and X is only receiving votes. B10 bias?

B10 bias, and OSU beat Duke - and all media has Duke bias.  So yeah.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2021, 10:11:23 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 8,2021
New Old
6   5   Villanova   
14   10   UConn
20   33   Xavier   
26   25   Seton Hall   
35   31   Providence   
60   67   Marquette   
79   83   DePaul   
84   87   Creighton
111   113   St. John's
118   121   Butler   
205   245   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on December 09, 2021, 10:28:09 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 8,2021
New Old
6   5   Villanova   
14   10   UConn
20   33   Xavier   
26   25   Seton Hall   
35   31   Providence   
60   67   Marquette   
79   83   DePaul   
84   87   Creighton
111   113   St. John's
118   121   Butler   
205   245   Georgetown

I'm sorry, i know it's been provided before. But, what is the typical NET ranking (range) for an NCAA at large bid?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: fjm on December 09, 2021, 11:33:25 AM
I'm sorry, i know it's been provided before. But, what is the typical NET ranking (range) for an NCAA at large bid?

Brew mentioned only twice has a team worse than 60 made the ncaa tourney and both in 2019.

Don’t recall where he mentioned it.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 09, 2021, 12:22:28 PM
I'm sorry, i know it's been provided before. But, what is the typical NET ranking (range) for an NCAA at large bid?

Inside the top-40 is generally very safe. 40-50 is good shape for a high-major. 50-60 you better have a really good resume. Past 60, you're probably getting left out unless you have 21+ wins and at least a couple marquee victories.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 09, 2021, 12:26:19 PM
I can't seem to find it now, but at one point there was a RPI forecast where you could predict RPI based on the outcomes of games.  Do they have something for NET that you know of?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 09, 2021, 12:57:29 PM
I can't seem to find it now, but at one point there was a RPI forecast where you could predict RPI based on the outcomes of games.  Do they have something for NET that you know of?

That was RPI wizard. I don't think there's an net equivalent because to my knowledge the formula for NET has never been released and no one has reverse engineered it
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 09, 2021, 01:02:26 PM
That was RPI wizard. I don't think there's an net equivalent because to my knowledge the formula for NET has never been released and no one has reverse engineered it

Gotcha.  I was curious as to what our BE record might need to be to meet the thresholds in brew's post above.  (Assuming a loss to UCLA Saturday.)
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: lawdog77 on December 09, 2021, 01:11:12 PM
As an aside, I am trying to find the preseason prognostications of our fellow scoopers. If anyone can link that, it would be greatly appreciated, and I will double my annual scoop donation.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 09, 2021, 01:15:32 PM
I can't seem to find it now, but at one point there was a RPI forecast where you could predict RPI based on the outcomes of games.  Do they have something for NET that you know of?

They don't because the NET formula hasn't been cracked yet. Torvik does have his TeamCast, which has similarities to RPI Forecast, but I haven't tested it for accuracy. It does include some metric predictions, but I'm not sure how useful they are. It essentially gives a game-by-game option and where you'd be seeded based on those results.

That said, I'd be skeptical of it's projections. I went through the simulator with Marquette winning out, so beating UCLA, going 20-0 in the Big East, and winning the BET by beating Providence, UConn, and 'Nova, and while it did have us in the tourney, we were only a 7-seed. But if you want to test it out, here it is:

https://barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Marquette&year=2022

Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 09, 2021, 01:56:37 PM
They don't because the NET formula hasn't been cracked yet. Torvik does have his TeamCast, which has similarities to RPI Forecast, but I haven't tested it for accuracy. It does include some metric predictions, but I'm not sure how useful they are. It essentially gives a game-by-game option and where you'd be seeded based on those results.

That said, I'd be skeptical of it's projections. I went through the simulator with Marquette winning out, so beating UCLA, going 20-0 in the Big East, and winning the BET by beating Providence, UConn, and 'Nova, and while it did have us in the tourney, we were only a 7-seed. But if you want to test it out, here it is:

https://barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Marquette&year=2022



Lol. Has there ever been a high major team that went 32-2 and didn't get a 1 seed?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 09, 2021, 02:30:26 PM
Lol. Has there ever been a high major team that went 32-2 and didn't get a 1 seed?

Has! Agreed.

Also it seems the NET adds more weight to wins and losses than Kenpom based on moving up more quickly with the same efficiency data.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Miss Katie’s on December 10, 2021, 09:23:30 AM
That said, I'd be skeptical of it's projections. I went through the simulator with Marquette winning out, so beating UCLA, going 20-0 in the Big East, and winning the BET by beating Providence, UConn, and 'Nova, and while it did have us in the tourney, we were only a 7-seed. But if you want to test it out, here it is:

https://barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Marquette&year=2022

Seems legit. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2021, 09:29:10 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 9,2021
New Old
5   6   Villanova   
15   14   UConn   
18   20   Xavier   
23   26   Seton Hall   
36   35   Providence   
60   60   Marquette   
72   79   DePaul   
82   84   Creighton   
94   111   St. John's
120   118   Butler   
206   205   Georgetown
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TheGym on December 10, 2021, 09:56:39 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 9,2021
New Old
5   6   Villanova   
15   14   UConn   
18   20   Xavier   
23   26   Seton Hall   
36   35   Providence   
60   60   Marquette   
72   79   DePaul   
82   84   Creighton   
94   111   St. John's
120   118   Butler   
206   205   Georgetown

***
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: tower912 on December 10, 2021, 09:58:43 AM
Beard is a drag on that program.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 10, 2021, 10:43:22 AM
Beard is a drag on that program.
Why has Texas collapsed since Shaka left?

Is Beard that bad of a coach?

Is Shake that good of a coach?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: drewm88 on December 10, 2021, 10:49:31 AM
They don't because the NET formula hasn't been cracked yet. Torvik does have his TeamCast, which has similarities to RPI Forecast, but I haven't tested it for accuracy. It does include some metric predictions, but I'm not sure how useful they are. It essentially gives a game-by-game option and where you'd be seeded based on those results.

That said, I'd be skeptical of it's projections. I went through the simulator with Marquette winning out, so beating UCLA, going 20-0 in the Big East, and winning the BET by beating Providence, UConn, and 'Nova, and while it did have us in the tourney, we were only a 7-seed. But if you want to test it out, here it is:

https://barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Marquette&year=2022

You have to check the box to use his "DynamaRank" to change all the teams' rankings to reflect the results you pick. I think otherwise the algorithm balances the record with our current ranking in his system.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: CountryRoads on December 10, 2021, 11:30:35 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 9,2021
New Old
5   6   Villanova   
15   14   UConn   
18   20   Xavier   
23   26   Seton Hall   
36   35   Providence   
60   60   Marquette   
72   79   DePaul   
82   84   Creighton   
94   111   St. John's
120   118   Butler   
206   205   Georgetown

MU has way too many good wins to still have this low of a NET ranking. It seems they need to do a better job of beating the cupcakes by 20-30+ points as dumb as that sounds.

Texas is ranked 21 and has only won buy games this year. They’ve won several of them by 30+ though.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: jficke13 on December 10, 2021, 11:45:34 AM
MU has way too many good wins to still have this low of a NET ranking. It seems they need to do a better job of beating the cupcakes by 20-30+ points as dumb as that sounds.

Texas is ranked 21 and has only won buy games this year. They’ve won several of them by 30+ though.

That is a weird artifact of how the analytics are weighted.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 10, 2021, 02:23:19 PM
MU has way too many good wins to still have this low of a NET ranking. It seems they need to do a better job of beating the cupcakes by 20-30+ points as dumb as that sounds.

Texas is ranked 21 and has only won buy games this year. They’ve won several of them by 30+ though.

It'll balance out by the end of the year.  But yes,  how much you beat the cupcakes by does matter
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2021, 02:40:34 PM
It'll balance out by the end of the year.  But yes,  how much you beat the cupcakes by does matter

"Looks like Stud McStuddy blew out his knee, Coach. Why was he still in a game you were leading by 24 with 40 seconds to go?"

"Because some idiotic system called NET says we needed to win by 30 for it to look better on our resume."

Flawed system.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 10, 2021, 02:48:16 PM
"Looks like Stud McStuddy blew out his knee, Coach. Why was he still in a game you were leading by 24 with 40 seconds to go?"

"Because some idiotic system called NET says we needed to win by 30 for it to look better on our resume."

Flawed system.


So there is no difference between beating a team by one or beating them by 30?

Edit to add:  I don't think coaches should coach to NET ratings whatsoever.  Keeping a star out of the game and only winning by 15 is a long-run better play.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: tower912 on December 10, 2021, 02:51:22 PM
There is a huge difference.   Narrow wins over cupcakes hurt more than narrow wins over power teams help.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 10, 2021, 02:53:50 PM
"Looks like Stud McStuddy blew out his knee, Coach. Why was he still in a game you were leading by 24 with 40 seconds to go?"

"Because some idiotic system called NET says we needed to win by 30 for it to look better on our resume."

Flawed system.

Good teams win, great teams embarrass their opponents and taunt
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2021, 02:59:28 PM

So there is no difference between beating a team by one or beating them by 30?

Edit to add:  I don't think coaches should coach to NET ratings whatsoever.  Keeping a star out of the game and only winning by 15 is a long-run better play.

What if it costs them an NCAA bid? If taking Lewis out of a 15-point game against DePaul turns out to have cost us an NCAA bid that we would have gotten if we had won by 30, which would have been a better play? On a smaller scale, what if it costs a tourney-bound team a seed line or two?

It's an idiotic system and it should be altered. The program-designers certainly have the ability to do it.

BTW, I agree with you. If I were Shaka, I'd try real hard not to think about NET during a game.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: BM1090 on December 10, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
What if it costs them an NCAA bid? If taking Lewis out of a 15-point game against DePaul turns out to have cost us an NCAA bid that we would have gotten if we had won by 30, which would have been a better play? On a smaller scale, what if it costs a tourney-bound team a seed line or two?

It's an idiotic system and it should be altered. The program-designers certainly have the ability to do it.

BTW, I agree with you. If I were Shaka, I'd try real hard not to think about NET during a game.

I know when the NET was created the NCAA tried to cap the margin of victory at 10, meaning a 10 point win and a 20 point win would be viewed the same. Unfortunately, it isn't playing out that way at all. I think fixing that bug (if they want to) would be a good move.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: CTWarrior on December 10, 2021, 03:04:33 PM
"Looks like Stud McStuddy blew out his knee, Coach. Why was he still in a game you were leading by 24 with 40 seconds to go?"

"Because some idiotic system called NET says we needed to win by 30 for it to look better on our resume."

Flawed system.
That's basically what happened to UConn's star Paige Bueckers.  But that is because Geno is a jerk who just likes to run up the score.  The NET would have meant nothing to them, because they were headed for their customary 30-2 or something season anyway.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2021, 03:14:12 PM
That's basically what happened to UConn's star Paige Bueckers.  But that is because Geno is a jerk who just likes to run up the score.  The NET would have meant nothing to them, because they were headed for their customary 30-2 or something season anyway.

Yep. He seems real tortured by it. That sucks for Bueckers, who is an amazing player and so fun to watch.

But yes, that's the exact kind of thing that can -- and probably will -- happen in a men's game if a coach feels he has to chase "the NET number."

I said in an earlier comment that if I were Shaka I'd try real hard not to even think about the NET during a game. But if I go into the final game knowing I probably need to win huge to make the tourney, I guess I keep my foot on the gas no matter what -- starters in the game in the last minute even if I'm up 25 (or down 20).

I guess it would be kind of like one of those soccer playoffs where they play 2 games and use total goals; even if you're up 2-0, if you lost the first game 3-0, you need to keep trying to score. If there were ever 2 goals in a soccer game, of course!  8-)
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: jfp61 on December 10, 2021, 03:42:59 PM
That's basically what happened to UConn's star Paige Bueckers.  But that is because Geno is a jerk who just likes to run up the score.  The NET would have meant nothing to them, because they were headed for their customary 30-2 or something season anyway.

Geno being an ass doesn't get talked about enough.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 10, 2021, 08:46:41 PM
I know when the NET was created the NCAA tried to cap the margin of victory at 10, meaning a 10 point win and a 20 point win would be viewed the same. Unfortunately, it isn't playing out that way at all. I think fixing that bug (if they want to) would be a good move.

Eliminate the 10-point cap that had the opposite effect and make the efficiency margin regressive and it'll be sorted.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2021, 10:17:46 PM
Eliminate the 10-point cap that had the opposite effect and make the efficiency margin regressive and it'll be sorted.

What do you mean by "make the efficiency margin regressive," brew?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 10, 2021, 10:38:04 PM
What do you mean by "make the efficiency margin regressive," brew?

Basically, the more you beat a team by,  the less each individual point matters.

Right now the difference between beating a team by 1 and beating a team by two is worth as much as the difference between beating a team by 38 and beating a team by 39. Brews suggestion would make it so running up the score has diminishing returns. I agree with Brews suggestion

Shaka clearly cares about the NET. He had scholarship players pressing the Bonnie's v and Badgers walk ons to cut the margin of victory
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2021, 11:13:08 PM
Basically, the more you beat a team by,  the less each individual point matters.

Right now the difference between beating a team by 1 and beating a team by two is worth as much as the difference between beating a team by 38 and beating a team by 39. Brews suggestion would make it so running up the score has diminishing returns. I agree with Brews suggestion

Shaka clearly cares about the NET. He had scholarship players pressing the Bonnie's v and Badgers walk ons to cut the margin of victory

Thanks for the explainer. I agree with brew and you -- they should change the idiotic formula.

Thankfully, Kam Jones didn't get hurt pressing Madison walk-ons to get the margin under 20. It's pretty sad that it's come to that.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: mubb3434 on December 11, 2021, 08:14:06 AM
DePaul moved up to 50 NET (from 72) after their road win at Louisville. No other major changes.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 11, 2021, 08:20:08 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 10, 2021
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
14   15   UConn   
18   18   Xavier   
23   23   Seton Hall
36   36   Providence   
50   72   DePaul
60   60   Marquette   
82   82   Creighton   
96   94   St. John's
123   120   Butler   
205   206   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 11, 2021, 08:28:13 AM
We're below DePaul in NET. Fire Shaka
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: fjm on December 11, 2021, 08:40:11 AM
We're below DePaul in NET. Fire Shaka

Truth.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2021, 09:10:09 AM
We're below DePaul in NET. Fire Shaka

Al McGuire was never behind DePaul in NET.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on December 11, 2021, 09:11:22 AM
Whereas Wisconsin was a huge strength of Wojos, DePaul was a massive weakness.

Hopefully for Shaka he fares much better against a better DePaul squad.
This season screams of a split at best under the previous regime. Although the crowds at Wintrust have been better and louder it isn’t a daunting road game for MU just yet, especially with the MU faithful that are always in attendance.

I expect a home win and hope for a season sweep, but the away game on Wednesday March 2 may become one of the most important games of the year if this squad continues to play the bubble dance.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 11, 2021, 09:24:21 AM
We're below DePaul in NET. Fire Shaka
For kicks, I looked at the UofL fan board. Looked like about 95% want Mack fired. Most likely won't happen until the NCAA lowers the boom on them. It sounds like they are cash strapped and are stuck with him. Can't feel tooo bad for Mack, he got huge money to go there. I wouldn't be surprised if Mack was on ESPN within two years. Maybe Wojo can get into the ACC?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 11, 2021, 10:29:49 AM
Al McGuire was never behind DePaul in NET.

Al punched both DePaul and NET in the face ... all in one swing.

Then they hugged, and Al told DePaul and NET to go pro because ... um ... cracked sidewalks?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: fjm on December 11, 2021, 10:32:15 AM
Al McGuire was never behind DePaul in NET.

Post of the day.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Nukem2 on December 12, 2021, 10:23:59 AM
MU dropped from 60 to 76 in the NET rankings following the loss to UCLA
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 12, 2021, 11:03:53 AM
 Big East NET rankings as of games of December 11,2021
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
14   14   UConn   
15   18   Xavier   
22   23   Seton Hall   
39   36   Providence   
51   50   DePaul
58   82   Creighton   
76   60   Marquette   
95   96   St. John's
137   123   Butler   
174   205   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on December 12, 2021, 11:06:24 AM
MU dropped from 60 to 76 in the NET rankings following the loss to UCLA

That’s a bit further than I expected, however it was a really bad day not only for MU but also for their opponents

Ole Miss lost 71-48 to western Kentucky, woof.
Illinois lost at home to a very good Arizona
Wisconsin got drubbed at OSU 73-55
St Bonnies lost by 10 to UConn
New Hampshire lost at Duquesne

It’s impossible to figure out but I would bet MU woulda dropped well into the 80s had they have lost by 25

Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 12, 2021, 02:23:32 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 11,2021
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
14   14   UConn   
15   18   Xavier   
22   23   Seton Hall   
39   36   Providence   
51   50   DePaul
58   82   Creighton   
76   60   Marquette   
95   96   St. John's
137   123   Butler   
174   205   Georgetown

Both DePaul fans look at that, and they're counting on going 8-0 against Georgetown, Butler, St. John's and Marquette.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 13, 2021, 01:06:27 AM
Marquette’s Net moved to #75 from #76
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 13, 2021, 09:01:08 AM
Marquette’s Net moved to #75 from #76

#1 by February 26, 2022!  Just in time for our NCAA overall #1 seed.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 13, 2021, 10:02:41 AM
Marquette’s Net moved to #75 from #76

Broken system?!?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 13, 2021, 12:01:14 PM
Broken system?!?
Believe they adjusted them later same day
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 13, 2021, 01:50:47 PM
 Big East Net Rankings as of games of December 12,2021
New Old
9   5   Villanova   
15   14   UConn   
16   15   Xavier   
25   22   Seton Hall   
39   39   Providence
52   51   DePaul   
57   58   Creighton   
75   76   Marquette   
84   95   St. John's
134   137   Butler   
172   174   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: lawdog77 on December 13, 2021, 02:00:48 PM
When do conference NET rankings come out? I would assume the Big 12 will be the Top conference:

2   3   Baylor   Big 12   9-0   0-0   3-0   6-0   2-0   1-0   3-0   3-0
5   7   Kansas   Big 12   8-1   1-0   3-1   4-0   1-0   3-1   0-0   4-0
17   17   Iowa St.   Big 12   10-0   1-0   2-0   7-0   2-0   2-0   0-0   6-0
19   20   Texas Tech   Big 12   7-1   0-1   2-0   5-0   1-1   0-0   0-0   6-0
23   24   Texas   Big 12   6-2   0-2   0-0   6-0   0-2   0-0   1-0   5-0
38   38   Oklahoma   Big 12   8-2   1-0   3-1   4-1   1-1   2-0   2-1   3-0
56   57   West Virginia   Big 12   9-1   0-0   2-1   7-0   1-0   2-1   1-0   5-0
61   61   Oklahoma St.   Big 12   6-3   1-0   2-0   3-3   0-1   0-2   4-0   2-0
63   64   TCU   Big 12   8-1   0-0   3-1   5-0   0-0   2-1   1-0   5-0
96   97   Kansas St.   Big 12   6-3   1-0   0-2   5-1   1-1   0-2   0-0   5-0
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2021, 10:10:24 PM
 Big East NET rankings as of games of December 13, 2021
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9   9   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
16   16   Xavier   
25   25   Seton Hall   
38   39   Providence   
51   52   DePaul
57   57   Creighton   
73   75   Marquette   
83   84   St. John's
133   134   Butler   
174   172   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2021, 10:16:11 PM
Big East Poll Rankings as of December 13
AP
9. Nova
16. The Hall
20. U Conn
22. X
Others Receiving Votes
Cooley & Company, Creighton
Coaches
10. Nova
16. The Hall
22. U Conn
25. X
Others Receiving Votes
Cooley & Company

Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: GB Warrior on December 15, 2021, 12:29:58 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 13, 2021
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9   9   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
16   16   Xavier   
25   25   Seton Hall   
38   39   Providence   
51   52   DePaul
57   57   Creighton   
73   75   Marquette   
83   84   St. John's
133   134   Butler   
174   172   Georgetown

Has DePaul hung their Median of the Big East banner yet
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 15, 2021, 07:39:18 AM
 Big East NET rankings as of games of December 14,2021
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9   9   Villanova   
14   15   UConn   
15   16   Xavier   
24   25   Seton Hall   
39   38   Providence   
51   51   DePaul
73   73   Marquette   
77   57   Creighton   
83   83   St. John's
132   133   Butler   
174   174   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 15, 2021, 08:11:15 AM
Flyin' past the Bluejays!
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2021, 10:23:20 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 15,2021
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9   9   Villanova   
13   15   Xavier   
14   14   UConn   
24   24   Seton Hall   
41   39   Providence   
52   51   DePaul   
74   73   Marquette   
81   77   Creighton
84   83   St. John's
133   132   Butler   
166   174   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 17, 2021, 04:57:35 PM
Speaking of something not helping our NET …

The Bonnies are losing by about 200 points to Va Tech.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Scoop Snoop on December 17, 2021, 05:07:38 PM
Speaking of something not helping our NET …

The Bonnies are losing by about 200 points to Va Tech.

You exaggerate. It was only 86-49, final score.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 17, 2021, 05:13:31 PM
You exaggerate. It was only 86-49, final score.

I said "about"!
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2021, 05:29:27 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 16,2021
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10   9   Villanova   
13   13   Xavier   
14   14   UConn   
24   24   Seton Hall   
41   41   Providence   
52   52   DePaul   
74   74   Marquette   
81   81   Creighton
86   84   St. John's
132   133   Butler   
169   166   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 17, 2021, 07:00:49 PM
I thought maybe the Bonnies were missing a couple players due to Covid or something else ... but nope ... their starting lineup for this game was the exact same as it was against us, and their top-minute subs against us also were their top-minute subs in this one.

Just played like shyte, I assume.

According to the AP article, they actually banked in a 3 at the buzzer to avoid losing by 40.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 17, 2021, 08:43:05 PM
Nova getting waxed at Creighton.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 18, 2021, 09:55:07 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of December 17,2021
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11   13   Xavier   
14   14   UConn   
17   10   Villanova   
24   24   Seton Hall   
40   41   Providence   
53   52   DePaul   
57   81   Creighton   
79   74   Marquette   
84   86   St. John's
135   132   Butler   
167   169   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 18, 2021, 10:18:29 AM
Oof. Thanks Bonnies.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 19, 2021, 09:09:20 AM
Big East NET ranking as of games of December 18, 2021
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12   11   Xavier   
16   17   Villanova   
21   14   UConn   
26   24   Seton Hall   
31   40   Providence   
57   53   DePaul   
58   57   Creighton   
68   79   Marquette   
114   84   St. John's
163   135   Butler   
171   167   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 19, 2021, 09:47:28 AM
NET is now in a range where we could hope for a tourney bid.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 19, 2021, 01:04:26 PM
Big East NET ranking as of games of December 18, 2021
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12   11   Xavier   
16   17   Villanova   
21   14   UConn   
26   24   Seton Hall   
31   40   Providence   
57   53   DePaul   
58   57   Creighton   
68   79   Marquette   
114   84   St. John's
163   135   Butler   
171   167   Georgetown

Creighton gets a nice win vs Nova and their NET gets worse; Nova loses to Creighton and their NET gets better; we lose by 9 and our NET gets better. Fun!
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 19, 2021, 01:06:09 PM
Creighton gets a nice win vs Nova and their NET gets worse; Nova loses to Creighton and their NET gets better; we lose by 9 and our NET gets better. Fun!

This was the NET adjustment after their Friday night game:

Big East NET Rankings as of games of December 17,2021
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11   13   Xavier   
14   14   UConn   
17   10   Villanova   
24   24   Seton Hall   
40   41   Providence   
53   52   DePaul   
57   81   Creighton   
79   74   Marquette   
84   86   St. John's
135   132   Butler   
167   169   Georgetown

Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 19, 2021, 01:08:25 PM
This was the NET adjustment after their Friday night game:

Thanks brew. That makes more sense!
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on December 19, 2021, 11:10:32 PM
Imagine what it could’ve been had MU only lost by 2!

That Kolek early in the clock attempt was painful on several levels, but there was 1:48 left and MU was down 3.

Complete mishandle of that last 2 minutes led to a 9 pt defeat and likely cost several spots in the NET
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 20, 2021, 12:05:21 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 19,2021
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11   12   Xavier   
17   16   Villanova   
21   21   UConn   
26   26   Seton Hall   
31   31   Providence
52   57     DePaul
57   58   Creighton   
65   68   Marquette
113   114   St. John's
161   163   Butler   
167   171   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 20, 2021, 07:22:09 PM
Big East Poll Rankings as of December 20,2021

AP

15. The Hall
18.X
22. Cooley & Company
23.Nova
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn, Creighton

Coaches

15. The Hall
20.X
22. Nova
23. Cooley & Company
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2021, 10:06:57 PM
I admit that I didn't think there would be a single day this season in which PC was ranked higher than Wright & Co.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2021, 10:39:51 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 20,2021
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11   11   Xavier   
17   17   Villanova
21   21   UConn   
26   26   Seton Hall   
32   31   Providence   
55   52   DePaul   
58   57   Creighton   
64   65   Marquette   
113   113   St. John's
161   161   Butler   
166   167   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on December 21, 2021, 01:56:15 PM
So MU has gone from 79 to 64, an improvement of 15 spots, in 3 days following a 9 pt loss at Xavier.

That’s really nice.

A win tonight would likely mean another 15-20 spot jump into the 40s, let’s do this!!!
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: BM1090 on December 21, 2021, 01:59:08 PM
So MU has gone from 79 to 64, an improvement of 15 spots, in 3 days following a 9 pt loss at Xavier.

That’s really nice.

A win tonight would likely mean another 15-20 spot jump into the 40s, let’s do this!!!

Don't think it'd be that significant unless it was a blowout. We're only 4 point underdogs/
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 21, 2021, 02:08:51 PM
So MU has gone from 79 to 64, an improvement of 15 spots, in 3 days following a 9 pt loss at Xavier.

That’s really nice.

A win tonight would likely mean another 15-20 spot jump into the 40s, let’s do this!!!

As MU plays more Big East teams, their NET will go up provided they don't get their butts handed to them. We absolutely did enough in the non-conference to earn a bid in conference play. Just have to win the games.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on December 21, 2021, 02:19:15 PM
As MU plays more Big East teams, their NET will go up provided they don't get their butts handed to them. We absolutely did enough in the non-conference to earn a bid in conference play. Just have to win the games.

Yup. 11 anyway we can get them should earn a bid (including conf tourney).
10 would likely have MU right on the bubble and my instinct tells me would put us in a First Four game.
Of course that assumes all the games are played, and we are already seeing a lot of cancellations.

Crazy to think that 13 more wins on the season could make this season wildly successful: 10-10 in conf, 1-1 in NY, earn a bid and win 2 to get to the sweet 16 or win a first 4 game and round of 64 game.

Tbh even 12 more wins could make this season wildly successful- one win in the dance would elate the masses after years worth of no tourney wins.

Lets start with 1 tonight
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: BrewCity83 on December 21, 2021, 03:07:35 PM
#ElateTheMasses
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on December 21, 2021, 03:31:32 PM
#ElateTheMasses
#WeMust
#ElateTheMasses
#WeAreMarquette
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 21, 2021, 07:00:25 PM
Ole Miss losing to Samford isn't going to help MU.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2021, 12:31:07 PM
Big East Poll and Net Rankings as of games of December 21,2021
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13   17   Villanova   
17   21   UConn   
18   11   Xavier
27   26   Seton Hall   
31   32   Providence   
56   55   DePaul   
57   58   Creighton   
76   64   Marquette   
114   113   St. John's
163   161   Butler   
169   166   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: wadesworld on December 22, 2021, 01:13:04 PM
Big East Poll and Net Rankings as of games of December 21,2021
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13   17   Villanova   
17   21   UConn   
18   11   Xavier
27   26   Seton Hall   
31   32   Providence   
56   55   DePaul   
57   58   Creighton   
76   64   Marquette   
114   113   St. John's
163   161   Butler   
169   166   Georgetown

Should've pulled a Seton Hall, I guess.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 22, 2021, 04:06:12 PM
Should've pulled a Seton Hall, I guess.

Ole Miss hurt us the most.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: wadesworld on December 22, 2021, 07:03:38 PM
Ole Miss hurt us the most.

Good call. I was trying to think what previous opponents played last night as well.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 23, 2021, 06:40:44 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 22,2021
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12   13   Villanova
16   17   UConn   
19   18   Xavier   
28   27   Seton Hall   
31   31   Providence   
55   57   Creighton   
57   56   DePaul   
72   76   Marquette   
115   114   St. John's
154   163   Butler   
165   169   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 24, 2021, 09:57:00 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of December 23, 2021
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12   12   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
19   19   Xavier   
25   28   Seton Hall   
31   31   Providence   
58   55   Creighton   
59   57   DePaul   
72   72   Marquette   
115   115   St. John's
153   154   Butler   
162   165   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 27, 2021, 09:43:14 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 25,2021
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12   12   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
19   19   Xavier   
25   25   Seton Hall   
31   31   Providence   
57   58   Creighton   
59   59   DePaul   
72   72   Marquette   
115   115   St. John's
153   153   Butler   
162   162   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 28, 2021, 06:34:31 AM
Big East Poll Rankings as of December 27, 2021

AP

15. The Hall
21. Cooley & Company
22. Nova
23. X
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn, Creighton

Coaches

13. The Hall
21. Cooley & Company
22. Nova
24. X
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 28, 2021, 06:02:58 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 27, 2021
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12   12   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
19   19   Xavier   
25   25   Seton Hall   
31   31    Providence
58   59   DePaul   
59   57   Creighton   
73   72   Marquette   
116   115   St. John's
152   153   Butler   
157   162   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 29, 2021, 06:11:46 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 28,2021
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12   12   Villanova   
17   16   UConn   
20   19   Xavier   
24   25   Seton Hall   
31   31   Providence   
57   58   DePaul   
59   59   Creighton   
73   73   Marquette   
116   116   St. John's
151   152   Butler   
157   157   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2021, 01:12:59 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of December 29, 2021
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11   12   Villanova   
16   17   UConn   
20   20   Xavier   
27   24   Seton Hall   
28   31   Providence   
56   59   Creighton   
66   57   DePaul   
75   73   Marquette   
116   116   St. John's
126   151   Butler   
162   157   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2021, 09:04:16 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 30,2021
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11   11   Villanova
16   16   UConn   
20   20   Xavier   
27   27   Seton Hall   
29   28   Providence   
56   56   Creighton   
70   66   DePaul   
76   75   Marquette   
113   116   St. John's
124   126   Butler   
152   162   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on January 02, 2022, 10:18:49 AM
Big East Net rankings as of games of January 1, 2022
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11   11   Villanova   
16   15   UConn   
22   21   Xavier   
27   28     Providence
28   27   Seton Hall
51   56   Creighton   
83   76   Marquette   
88   70   DePaul   
113   113   St. John's
125   124   Butler   
156   149   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: wildbillsb on January 02, 2022, 02:14:03 PM
Thanks for the updates, HC.  New Xavier and Georgetown ratings correct?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on January 02, 2022, 02:23:48 PM
Thanks for the updates, HC.  New Xavier and Georgetown ratings correct?
That is what is showing on the official site.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2022, 12:55:37 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 2,2022
11   11   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
22   22   Xavier   
27   27   Providence   
28   28   Seton Hall   
53   51   Creighton   
83   83   Marquette   
88   88   DePaul   
116   113   St. John's
124   125   Butler   
161   156   Georgetown
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2022, 01:03:28 PM
Big East Poll Rankings as of January 3,2022

AP
16. Cooley & Company
19. Nova
22. X
24. The Hall
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn, Creighton

Coaches
15. Nova
17. Cooley & Company
22. The Hall
24. X

Others Receiving Votes
U Conn
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on January 04, 2022, 07:34:12 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 3, 2022
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10   11   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
21   22   Xavier   
24   27   Providence   
29   28   Seton Hall   
55   53   Creighton   
83   83   Marquette   
88   88   DePaul   
115   116   St. John's
127   124   Butler   
157   161   Georgetown
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on January 04, 2022, 10:34:50 PM
Lets see what Herman has for us tomorrow…

I’ll go with 66 in tomorrows NET.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: BM1090 on January 04, 2022, 10:39:10 PM
Lets see what Herman has for us tomorrow…

I’ll go with 66 in tomorrows NET.

Went from 85 to 61 in Kenpom.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 04, 2022, 10:45:01 PM
Went from 85 to 61 in Kenpom.

Pretty amazing boost in our KenPom ranking. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: jfp61 on January 04, 2022, 10:48:12 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 3, 2022
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10   11   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
21   22   Xavier   
24   27   Providence   
29   28   Seton Hall   
55   53   Creighton   
83   83   Marquette   
88   88   DePaul   
115   116   St. John's
127   124   Butler   
157   161   Georgetown

Over under 65 tomorrow?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: BM1090 on January 04, 2022, 10:55:06 PM
110 to 76 in T Rank.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 04, 2022, 11:08:33 PM
Over under 65 tomorrow?

<65 is my guess. NET is typically more fluid this time of year than KenPom and Torvik

Also, NET liked Providence a lot better than KenPom. NET had them at 24 and KenPom had them at 40.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 04, 2022, 11:46:00 PM
Marquette NET 57
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 04, 2022, 11:47:04 PM
NET just came out Marquette is 57
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on January 05, 2022, 07:11:25 AM
Big East Poll and NET rankings as of games of January 4,2022
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11   10   Villanova   
17   16   UConn   
23   21   Xavier   
26   29   Seton Hall   
33   24   Providence   
49   55   Creighton   
57   83   Marquette   
91   88   DePaul   
115   115   St. John's
139   127   Butler   
156   157   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 05, 2022, 07:15:53 AM
Damn, winning that Creighton game would really have us in a solid spot.

Gotta get the next two and keep it rolling.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on January 05, 2022, 08:35:17 AM
That’s awesome. 26 spot jump is massive and probably the biggest single day jump for a BE team this season.

In comparison, Creighton beat Nova by 20 at home on Dec 17th and jumped 24 spots, Nova was 10th at the time.

Those margins really play a massive role in the NET. If MU wins by less than 10 they are likely still in the 70s
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on January 05, 2022, 09:10:42 AM
That’s awesome. 26 spot jump is massive and probably the biggest single day jump for a BE team this season.

Not even close. Just off the top of my head, these two came to mind:

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 11,2021
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174   205   Georgetown (-31)

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 7, 2021
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121   199   Butler   -78
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on January 05, 2022, 09:15:38 AM
Not even close. Just off the top of my head, these two came to mind:

Ok fine how about for teams that actually have NCAA tourney hopes
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on January 05, 2022, 09:27:58 AM
Ok fine how about for teams that actually have NCAA tourney hopes

Maybe, but Creighton jumped 24 when they beat Villanova, and it wouldn't surprise me if the early NET results had similarly large shifts. NET is subject to drastic swings in the first couple months because it only incorporates this year's data. That's why I predicted last night we would jump more in NET than we did in kenpom, because kenpom's data set has extra data factored in until mid to late January. When there's a huge outlier results, the extra data in kenpom lessens the impact a little bit of that outlier, whereas NET is only this season so the results lead to bigger swings.

Honestly, that's why I wished they waited to put the NET out until later. I know everyone wants as much information as possible, but while a game like last night will always lead to big swings, the more data you have the more accurate it is. That's why the first NET usually has some ridiculous teams really high (Wyoming was #12, Wagner #23 are two that stand out). Better to bring it out around between Christmas and the New Year. You have a natural lull in games during that week and people are content-starved, while it also provides better data than an early-December release. At least get a third of the season done first.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Tha Hound on January 05, 2022, 01:09:00 PM
Just an absolutely huge win, and even better that we kept the massive lead throughout. We might still have hope
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on January 06, 2022, 07:52:55 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 6, 2022
New Old
8   11   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
22   23   Xavier   
24   26   Seton Hall   
33   33   Providence   
58   57   Marquette   
65   49   Creighton
98   91   DePaul   
109   115   St. John's
139   139   Butler   
158   156   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 07, 2022, 07:38:11 PM
Up to 49th in KenPom
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 07, 2022, 07:39:13 PM
Gtown sucks but will be interesting to see what a 28 pt beating does for the Net
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on January 07, 2022, 07:52:41 PM
KenPom instantaneous, nice

85 to 61 to 49 in 2 games in KenPom, wowzers.

I’m pretty sure the NET uses KenPom as one of its metrics, so it should be a nice lift in the NET as well.

Likely into the 40s
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Mu8891 on January 07, 2022, 08:04:04 PM
When was the last time MU put
consecutive 30 Point Beat downs on two conference opponents??

Wow.  And ... thank you again Wes Matthew’s
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 07, 2022, 08:28:54 PM
Gtown sucks but will be interesting to see what a 28 pt beating does for the Net
Agree especially on the road
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on January 07, 2022, 09:58:37 PM
KenPom instantaneous, nice

85 to 61 to 49 in 2 games in KenPom, wowzers.

I’m pretty sure the NET uses KenPom as one of its metrics, so it should be a nice lift in the NET as well.

Likely into the 40s

The NET is its own formula and doesn't use other metrics, but Pomeroy was one of the mathematicians they brought in to consult when designing the NET & his site is usually the closest analogue to the NCAA formula.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on January 07, 2022, 10:02:04 PM
The NET is its own formula and doesn't use other metrics, but Pomeroy was one of the mathematicians they brought in to consult when designing the NET & his site is usually the closest analogue to the NCAA formula.

Did they consult with you?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on January 07, 2022, 10:03:53 PM
Did they consult with you?

LOL definitely not. But they should when it comes to Selection Sunday. 😜
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 07, 2022, 10:07:31 PM
But they should when it comes to Selection Sunday. 😜

Disagree!  You say we need 11 wins to get in.  Hoping for someone more generous haha.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on January 07, 2022, 10:20:43 PM
Disagree!  You say we need 11 wins to get in.  Hoping for someone more generous haha.

He’s gonna have to change his tune soon with all these blowout wins!!

Those metrics are starting to look really appetizing even with 10 wins, amirite Brew?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on January 07, 2022, 10:38:49 PM
Those metrics are starting to look really appetizing even with 10 wins, amirite Brew?

Actually...yes. Part of the reason I've been saying 11 is because I thought that's what it would take to get to around 55 in NET. We'll be in the 40s by morning and if we get to 10 Big East wins, should be in the 35-45 range in the NET. That lowers our needed threshold to 18 wins, though I don't think it will get lower than that. 17 is too few no matter what the metrics look like, unless we lose another game and don't make up St John's.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on January 07, 2022, 10:45:28 PM
Nice!

Fair warning though- they work both ways!

One blowout loss to DePaul and it’s back to square one
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 07, 2022, 11:04:13 PM
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Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 07, 2022, 11:34:40 PM
NET just came out Marquette is 45
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: bilsu on January 08, 2022, 05:49:01 AM
Actually...yes. Part of the reason I've been saying 11 is because I thought that's what it would take to get to around 55 in NET. We'll be in the 40s by morning and if we get to 10 Big East wins, should be in the 35-45 range in the NET. That lowers our needed threshold to 18 wins, though I don't think it will get lower than that. 17 is too few no matter what the metrics look like, unless we lose another game and don't make up St John's.
Bottom of bubble at 17
top of bubble at 18
In at 19.

I think it was Indiana or N.C. St who got in with 17 wins pre-covid. At the time I did not think a 17 win team should of gotten a bid over a mdi-major. It seems like Syracuse is always getting in with a lousy record and they usually win their first game.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on January 08, 2022, 06:06:28 AM
Bottom of bubble at 17
top of bubble at 18
In at 19.

I think it was Indiana or N.C. St who got in with 17 wins pre-covid. At the time I did not think a 17 win team should of gotten a bid over a mdi-major. It seems like Syracuse is always getting in with a lousy record and they usually win their first game.

Off hand, I think the last sub 18 team to get in as an at-large before COVID was that 16-14 Georgia team. Oklahoma got in at 18-13. Both Indiana (2006) and NC State (2003) got in with 18, but that was awhile ago.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 09:13:03 AM
I know Vandy like 5 years back was 17-14 pre sec tourney.

They won a couple in SEC tourney but I’m pretty sure 1. Most thought they were in at 17-14 and 2. They avoided play in with the 19-15 or whatever it ended up
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Goose on January 08, 2022, 09:16:36 AM
I said months ago that my expectation for this season were to be in by March 1st, not a bubble team. There is not a team that we cannot beat if firing on all cylinders and we should do that more often than not moving forward. I would be disappointed if we are on bubble watch going into BE tourney.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2022, 09:29:16 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 7,2022
New Old
8   8   Villanova   
15   16   UConn   
20   20   Xavier   
26   26   Seton Hall   
33   34   Providence   
45   55   Marquette   
58   65   Creighton   
97   98   DePaul   
105   104   St. John's
146   141   Butler
190   157  Georgetown
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 09, 2022, 12:39:46 AM
NET just came out Marquette is 44
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: robmufan on January 09, 2022, 07:02:03 AM
I feel like Syracuse gets in with 17 wins all the time (and I am too lazy to check that).

I think if we can just remain in the last 4 in conversation, it will be hard to take someone else’s resume over ours…
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on January 09, 2022, 07:54:56 AM
 Big East NET rankings as of games of January 8, 2022
New Old
7   8   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
17   20   Xavier   
25   26   Seton Hall   
33   33   Providence   
44   45   Marquette   
66   58   Creighton   
103   97   DePaul   
108   105   St. John's
138   146   Butler
191   190   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on January 09, 2022, 08:30:52 AM
I feel like Syracuse gets in with 17 wins all the time (and I am too lazy to check that).

I think if we can just remain in the last 4 in conversation, it will be hard to take someone else’s resume over ours…

I wasn't too lazy, last year was the only time in the past 20 Tournaments that Syracuse got in with fewer than 19 wins. They were 16-9, and if you just project .500 to a more regular season (6 more games) they would be 19-12, certainly worth consideration.

But as far as the bubble goes, I agree. We have some really nice wins that not a lot of other teams can match.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 09, 2022, 10:32:25 AM
I think if we can just remain in the last 4 in conversation, it will be hard to take someone else’s resume over ours…

This.  Some really weak resumes for bubble teams out there.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 09, 2022, 10:39:29 AM
Lunardi has us and Virginia Tech as last four teams.  This is their resume to date.

Obviously a lot of games left to play but if these are the resumes we are going against if we can stay on the bubble I feel much better.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Pakuni on January 09, 2022, 10:45:56 AM
This.  Some really weak resumes for bubble teams out there.

Is it a soft bubble?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: cheebs09 on January 09, 2022, 10:47:10 AM
Lunardi has us and Virginia Tech as last four teams.  This is their resume to date.

Obviously a lot of games left to play but if these are the resumes we are going against if we can stay on the bubble I feel much better.

The Buzz Williams Legacy. #TBW
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on January 09, 2022, 11:24:01 AM
Is it a soft bubble?

Seems like it always is until it isn't. 2018 turned out to have a tough bubble (ND, Louisville, Marquette among the teams with legit gripes at being left out).

This year it will depend on who's there. If it's teams from the SEC, Big 10, Big East, & Big 12, it will be a tough bubble. Because those leagues all provide a ton of good win opportunities, so teams that fail to separate themselves will likely have some solid wins and computer numbers.

But if those leagues have clear dividing lines (say Big East 1-7 solidly in, 8-11 clearly out) and the bubble is a mix of ACC, American, and Pac-12 teams, you'll have a soft bubble because those teams will have some gross resumes.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: DoctorV on January 09, 2022, 11:36:39 AM
Seems like it always is until it isn't. 2018 turned out to have a tough bubble (ND, Louisville, Marquette among the teams with legit gripes at being left out).

This year it will depend on who's there. If it's teams from the SEC, Big 10, Big East, & Big 12, it will be a tough bubble. Because those leagues all provide a ton of good win opportunities, so teams that fail to separate themselves will likely have some solid wins and computer numbers.

But if those leagues have clear dividing lines (say Big East 1-7 solidly in, 8-11 clearly out) and the bubble is a mix of ACC, American, and Pac-12 teams, you'll have a soft bubble because those teams will have some gross resumes.

Good point.

Your bracketology insight is awesome and appreciated, thanks for all the data.

Do you find it hard to remove your Marquette bias from your work or is it easy for you?

I’m not a big bettor, just do it occasionally and casually to add more excitement and skin in some of the games, but I find it nearly impossible to bet against MU so I never do. I actually only try to bet MU when I’m supremely confident and have last minute insider info about the opposition missing a key piece etc, which I often times get from scoop.
Since I keep a close eye on the BE I feel like I have a bit of an advantage on other BE games that I’m neutral on, however.

It’s not an apples to apples comparison but I wonder if it’s difficult to look at MU in a completely neutral light, especially in a year they may end up on the bubble?
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: brewcity77 on January 09, 2022, 12:36:59 PM
Do you find it hard to remove your Marquette bias from your work or is it easy for you?

I'd like to think I'm getting better at it. From 2014-16, it didn't matter much because we weren't a tourney team. I thought they deserved a bid in 2018. I do pay attention to other brackets and when I find I differ significantly, whether on Marquette or anyone, I ask some of the other bracketologists what they see that I don't. Usually Delphi, Kevin Pulsipher, Dave Omman, and Jim Root are good about responding and providing feedback that helps me get better at placing Marquette and others I may have a soft spot for.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 10, 2022, 01:37:06 AM
Marquette NET remains at 44
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on January 10, 2022, 08:40:44 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 9, 2022
New Old
7   7   Villanova   
14   15   UConn   
18   18   Xavier   
26   25   Seton Hall   
35   33   Providence   
44   44   Marquette   
64   66   Creighton   
103   103   DePaul   
108   106   St. John's
136   137   Butler   
185   189   Georgetown   
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET Rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on January 10, 2022, 02:32:21 PM
Big East Poll Rankings as of January 10,2022
AP
14. Nova
17.X
20. The Hall
23.Cooley& Company
Others Receiving Votes:
U Conn
Coaches
14.Nova
18. The Hall
20.Cooley&Company
21. X
Others Receiving Votes:
U Conn
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 11, 2022, 09:34:33 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 10,2022
New Old
7   7   Villanova   
14   14   UConn   
17   18   Xavier   
26   26   Seton Hall   
35   35   Providence   
44   44   Marquette   
64   64   Creighton   
104   103   DePaul   
108   108   St. John's
136   136   Butler   
192   185   Georgetown

1/10/22 Team Sheets . Marquette is #44
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
   
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: source? on January 11, 2022, 10:41:27 AM
Illinois, Mississippi, West Virginia, Bonaventure, and NIU all play today. Could be an interesting day for our advanced numbers.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 11, 2022, 01:10:19 PM
Illinois, Mississippi, West Virginia, Bonaventure, and NIU all play today. Could be an interesting day for our advanced numbers.

Ole Miss and St. Bonaventure are both pretty close to moving up to Q2 games. Both would be helpful.

Looking at the rest of our resume, K-State could get up to Q1 as well.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on January 11, 2022, 10:16:47 PM
Illinois, Mississippi, West Virginia, Bonaventure, and NIU all play today. Could be an interesting day for our advanced numbers.

Illini didn’t cover but were close
Ole Miss blown out by Buzz
WVU blows out OKSt
Bonnies win in OT against a crap team, not sure what’s happening there but it ain’t good. That team looked like an Elite 8 type team.
NIU wins on the road as a 15 pt underdog.

Most importantly MU was looking at a 20 pt victory and wins by 11. Still better than the expected margin but not as big of a difference as the 20pt win would bring.

All in all my guess is likely a marginal improvement in the NET, maybe 3-4 spots? It would be great to slid into the low 30s but I’m not sure it’ll happen. Regardless, still trending up!

Big one on Saturday. I previously said I felt that Providence at home was the best team/matchup to get a resounding win against to drastically improve the computer numbers and revive this seasons tourney chances. I feel like SH this Saturday is the second best opportunity…

Im not sure it’ll happen that way because it is starting to feel like a correction game is due sometime soon- I don’t mean a loss I just mean a reversion back to normalcy offensively- all Marquettes do reach equilibrium after all.
That said, the team is on a roll and it’s a big matchup versus a team with recent history that should have the crowd fired up, so I do still think that this is the second best opportunity for a big metrics win.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 11, 2022, 10:25:38 PM
Illini didn’t cover but were close
Ole Miss blown out by Buzz
WVU blows out OKSt
Bonnies win in OT against a crap team, not sure what’s happening there but it ain’t good. That team looked like an Elite 8 type team.
NIU wins on the road as a 15 pt underdog.

Most importantly MU was looking at a 20 pt victory and wins by 11. Still better than the expected margin but not as big of a difference as the 20pt win would bring.

All in all my guess is likely a marginal improvement in the NET, maybe 3-4 spots? It would be great to slid into the low 30s but I’m not sure it’ll happen. Regardless, still trending up!

Big one on Saturday. I previously said I felt that Providence at home was the best team/matchup to get a resounding win against to drastically improve the computer numbers and revive this seasons tourney chances. I feel like SH this Saturday is the second best opportunity…

Im not sure it’ll happen that way because it is starting to feel like a correction game is due sometime soon- I don’t mean a loss I just mean a reversion back to normalcy offensively- all Marquettes do reach equilibrium after all.
That said, the team is on a roll and it’s a big matchup versus a team with recent history that should have the crowd fired up, so I do still think that this is the second best opportunity for a big metrics win.

Up to 46 in kenpom
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 11, 2022, 10:30:21 PM
Up to 46 in kenpom

45, 5th in the Big East at the moment. 6 of our 7 next games are against the 4 teams currently ranked above us and the 7th is a road game against the 6th highest team in the Big East.

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Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2022, 10:36:25 PM
45, 5th in the Big East at the moment. 6 of our 7 next games are against the 4 teams currently ranked above us and the 7th is a road game against the 6th highest team in the Big East.

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/ek5QXqOEv1r0YIO49G/200.gif)

Really looking forward to this 7-game stretch. We are gonna learn a ton about this team. Fun to have big games against quality opponents.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: GB Warrior on January 11, 2022, 11:46:59 PM
I'm actually ok with this settling back to a solid, but not resounding win. Shaka sounded like he was mildly unsatisfied with some of the plays that were left out there on the court, which I think bodes well moving forward.

I think this team will enter the SH game feeling good, but not complacent as though they have it all figured out.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on January 12, 2022, 01:05:13 AM
Really looking forward to this 7-game stretch. We are gonna learn a ton about this team. Fun to have big games against quality opponents.

The bad news is well probably lose most of them. The good news is we can go 1-6 and still have a reasonable shot at the tourney.

The best news is if we can somehow win 3 or 4 we're spending February talking about the possibility of a protected seed.

 
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 12, 2022, 03:32:14 AM
The bad news is well probably lose most of them. The good news is we can go 1-6 and still have a reasonable shot at the tourney.

The best news is if we can somehow win 3 or 4 we're spending February talking about the possibility of a protected seed.

I don’t think this team goes 1-6.  I expect at least three wins.  The upper tier big East teams are beatable the way we are playing now.  I would be very disappointed with 1-6.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on January 12, 2022, 04:00:51 AM
I don’t think this team goes 1-6.  I expect at least three wins.  The upper tier big East teams are beatable the way we are playing now.  I would be very disappointed with 1-6.

Brew can tell us, but I would have to think if we go 3-4 over this stretch we're definitely talking single-digit seed. That would be amazing.

I'd be pretty happy with 2-5. That's two more Q1 wins which I think would put us in great position for a bid as long as we take care of business down the stretch.

1 and we're still fighting but need to be almost perfect on the home stretch.

0-7 would be quite disappointing but I don't think that will happen.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 12, 2022, 05:44:04 AM
1 win and we pretty much need to win out.

2 and we're bubbly, but with a favorable schedule to get in.

3 and we're solidly looking at a single digit seed.

4 and we're just playing for seeding.

5+, start thinking about protected seed locations.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 12, 2022, 07:30:45 AM
As most expected

We went up, but just slightly.

41 now.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Goose on January 12, 2022, 07:49:14 AM
There is no doubt that they are facing a tough stretch, but not one of these teams is unbeatable. I would be disappointed if they did win at least three of the next seven. The guys are playing well, playing together and look extremely confident. There was no time last night did I feel they had a chance of losing. They were the better team and took care of business. I fully expect the trend of solid play to continue.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 12, 2022, 07:52:59 AM
SHU and X at home in the first 3 of this stretch are the big ones.

Really gotta get forsure 1 of them. Both to feel in a good spot for the last 4 of the gauntlet as the road games roll in.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 12, 2022, 08:03:10 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 11, 2022

New Old
7   7   Villanova   
16   14   UConn   
18   17   Xavier   
26   26   Seton Hall   
33   35   Providence   
41   44   Marquette   
64   64   Creighton   
107   108   St. John's
109   104   DePaul   
141   136   Butler   
189   192   Georgetown
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 12, 2022, 08:04:50 AM
St. Bonaventure creeps up 3 to 106, Ole Miss falls 2 to 112. Love to see both of those get into the top-100 and become Q2 games.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 12, 2022, 08:24:52 AM
There is no doubt that they are facing a tough stretch, but not one of these teams is unbeatable. I would be disappointed if they did win at least three of the next seven. The guys are playing well, playing together and look extremely confident. There was no time last night did I feel they had a chance of losing. They were the better team and took care of business. I fully expect the trend of solid play to continue.

Yep, there is no "great" team in the Big East this season. There are some darn good ones, and we're trying to prove we are one of them; this stretch will go a long way toward determining that.

Like you, I certainly think 3-4 wins during this stretch is possible -- 3 home games and at Providence are "winnable" by any definition. Not sure what the likes of kenpom and torvik say, but then again they don't play.

I also never thought we faced the possibility of losing last night ... but then again DePaul is DePaul. You can count on them coming unglued, and I left quite unimpressed with their new coach. None of the 5 teams we'll be playing in this stretch is anywhere near as effed-up as DePaul. If we get wiped out on the boards by an actually good team, we probably can't count on 46% 3-point shooting to save us.

But again, I love your optimism -- and it's not misplaced at all. The only reason for any Scooper to be pessimistic is if he or she just wants to be a mope.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 12, 2022, 09:01:44 AM
Not sure what the likes of kenpom and torvik say, but then again they don't play.

KenPom says we are a dog in all 7 games, but that the most likely outcome is 2-5 followed by 1-6, followed by 3-4.

2-5 is fine. I won't be upset but I won't be particularly happy either. 3 or more wins and I'm pretty stoked. Seton Hall and Xavier at home and Providence on the road seem like the ripest games for the picking. At Nova is probably the only one I don't see a reasonable chance of victory.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 12, 2022, 09:17:07 AM
KenPom says we are a dog in all 7 games, but that the most likely outcome is 2-5 followed by 1-6, followed by 3-4.

2-5 is fine. I won't be upset but I won't be particularly happy either. 3 or more wins and I'm pretty stoked. Seton Hall and Xavier at home and Providence on the road seem like the ripest games for the picking. At Nova is probably the only one I don't see a reasonable chance of victory.

Thanks for the info.

In my mind, the Seton Hall game sets the tone for the next 3 1/2 weeks. Win that, and 4-3 feels very doable IMHO.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 12, 2022, 09:17:39 AM
Thanks for the info.

In my mind, the Seton Hall game sets the tone for the next 3 1/2 weeks. Win that, and 4-3 feels very doable IMHO.

This is my thought as well
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 12, 2022, 09:18:26 AM
Also, not to be that guy, but keep in mind that in Marquette's last 5 wins, the opponent has been missing a starter. It doesn't put an asterisk next to those wins, and I think the result would have been the same in 4/5 of them but just something to keep in mind. Of course we were down a starter (though Kam seems to have lost his starting spot) in our last three losses as well, so it cuts both ways.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 12, 2022, 09:18:40 AM
My thoughts for the remaining BE games:

8-6 tourney lock
7-7 squarely on the bubble
6-8 on the outside looking in
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 12, 2022, 09:33:09 AM
Also, not to be that guy, but keep in mind that in Marquette's last 5 wins, the opponent has been missing a starter. It doesn't put an asterisk next to those wins, and I think the result would have been the same in 4/5 of them but just something to keep in mind. Of course we were down a starter (though Kam seems to have lost his starting spot) in our last three losses as well, so it cuts both ways.

Yeah much more likely we win Uconn with Daryl or Creighton with Kam than any of the other 3 games even become down the stretch competitive in our wins.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 12, 2022, 09:34:21 AM
Also, not to be that guy, but keep in mind that in Marquette's last 5 wins, the opponent has been missing a starter. It doesn't put an asterisk next to those wins, and I think the result would have been the same in 4/5 of them but just something to keep in mind. Of course we were down a starter (though Kam seems to have lost his starting spot) in our last three losses as well, so it cuts both ways.

Kam "lost" his starting spot only after he got Covid; had he been healthy throughout, he very well could still be starting. We also were without Morsell one game. But sure, it helped that opponents were down a man, a very key guy in several of those games. And you weren't even talking about Cofi. Hey, we'll take it!

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: panda on January 12, 2022, 09:36:08 AM
Also, not to be that guy, but keep in mind that in Marquette's last 5 wins, the opponent has been missing a starter. It doesn't put an asterisk next to those wins, and I think the result would have been the same in 4/5 of them but just something to keep in mind. Of course we were down a starter (though Kam seems to have lost his starting spot) in our last three losses as well, so it cuts both ways.

It’s bears mentioning, but this year especially, it is the norm.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 12, 2022, 09:49:01 AM
Yeah much more likely we win Uconn with Daryl or Creighton with Kam than any of the other 3 games even become down the stretch competitive in our wins.

Good point.

Providence wasn't gonna win that game with Ernie D at the point! (But they might have won it with him and Bad News Barnes.)
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 12, 2022, 10:20:04 AM
My thoughts for the remaining BE games:

8-6 tourney lock
7-7 squarely on the bubble
6-8 on the outside looking in

I pretty much agree. Might need 9-5 to be a lock, but 8-6 is probably in that bubble but likely in (9-11 seed) territory.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 12, 2022, 11:34:23 AM
Lunardi currently has us moved us above the last four byes/last four part and with 7 total teams "in" for the Big East.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 12, 2022, 11:36:43 AM
Also, for those who enjoy such things: Torvik has us on the "bubble team rooting guide" after last night. So if you're bored and want to know what games matter to Marquette outside of the one they play--it makes lazy Saturday viewing a little more fun.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: LAZER on January 12, 2022, 11:46:44 AM
Also, for those who enjoy such things: Torvik has us on the "bubble team rooting guide" after last night. So if you're bored and want to know what games matter to Marquette outside of the one they play--it makes lazy Saturday viewing a little more fun.
You're gonna wear yourself out tracking the bubble that closely in mid-January, but I'm definitely a fan of the resource.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 12, 2022, 11:57:22 AM
I pretty much agree. Might need 9-5 to be a lock, but 8-6 is probably in that bubble but likely in (9-11 seed) territory.

With 7 games against the top 35 of Net, 2-5 in those games and 6-1 against Creighton and the bottom feeders is going to be solid.

At a minimum, that would be a home win against Seton Hall and a road win at Providence.  It's also possible the two wins are better than that.

Go 3-4 against the top 35, and Marquette has a bigger margin of error in the other 7 games.

IMO, a 9 seed is in comfortably.  That's usually 10 teams between you and the cutline.  8-6 would probably be enough for a 9 or 10 seed.  7-7 has Marquette in the 12 teams competing for the last 6 spots.

The difference between an 11 seed, avoiding Dayton, and a 2 seed in the NIT is usually very small.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 12, 2022, 12:01:09 PM
You're gonna wear yourself out tracking the bubble that closely in mid-January, but I'm definitely a fan of the resource.

Oh, I know it's way too early for that. But it does make it fun to have a rooting interest in the random game on espn2. That's really what I glean from it until mid to late february.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 12, 2022, 12:01:20 PM
I feel like 8-6 finish for 11-9 in conference is comfortably in.

That said, isn’t it highly unlikely we even make up the SJU game?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 12, 2022, 12:04:11 PM
January 11,2022 Team Sheets. Marquette is 41
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 12, 2022, 01:34:16 PM
I feel like 8-6 finish for 11-9 in conference is comfortably in.

That said, isn’t it highly unlikely we even make up the SJU game?

In that case, 7-6 might be enough as long as MU gets two top 35 wins.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: The Equalizer on January 12, 2022, 01:58:23 PM
I feel like 8-6 finish for 11-9 in conference is comfortably in.

That said, isn’t it highly unlikely we even make up the SJU game?

Prior league performance suggests you're correct.  11 wins we should be solidly in, and typically, .500 teams need to win a BET tournament game.

Prior to 2021 (and going back to the split) only one Big East team with a league record above .500 failed to make the NCAA tournament (St. Johns in 2014).

In 2021, St. Johns and Seton Hall both finished 10-9 and failed to earn a bid--hard to know the impact of the missing league game, but one thing to note is the overall number of missed games overall probably impacted results.  Seton Hall was only 14-13 (3-3 non-conference, 1-1 in the BET) and St. Johns was 16-10 overall (5-1 non-conference, 0-1 BET).  The two teams faced each other head to head in the BET, and Seton Hall came away with the win (before losing in the next round to Georgetown).  Might have been interesting to know what would have happened had St. Johns won the BET opener, as I don't think the committee was going to seed Seton Hall under any circumstance, but may have given St. Johns a closer look had they won. 

Prior to 2021, 4 of 10 teams that finished .500 made the tournament.  There were no .500 finishers in 2021
Five of six that missed the tournament lost their opening round BET game, and 3 of the 4 that made it won their opener.  The lesson here is that if we head into the BET with a .500 record, we better win the opening round game if we hope to receive a bid.



Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 12, 2022, 03:25:12 PM
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Predictions Update
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•   After beating DePaul 87-76 yesterday, Marquette is now projected to finish the regular season 17-14 (9-11 Big East).
•   The odds that the Golden Eagles make the NCAA tournament are up to 83%, an increase of 5% since yesterday.
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #51 team in the country, and the #6 team in the Big East.
•   Next game: Sat, Jan 15 vs. #20 Seton Hall. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 42% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 83% Get Automatic NCAA Bid 3% Projected Seed(if Selected) 10
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on January 12, 2022, 04:06:07 PM
In that case, 7-6 might be enough as long as MU gets two top 35 wins.

FWIW, and it’s probably not much, Torvik projects MU as a 9 seed if they finish 7-6.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 13, 2022, 07:59:39 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 12, 2022
New Old
7   7   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
20   18   Xavier   
26   26   Seton Hall   
33   33   Providence   
43   41   Marquette   
63   64   Creighton   
108   107   St. John's
111   109   DePaul   
142   141   Butler   
182   189   Georgetown

1/12 Team Sheets . Marquette is 43
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on January 14, 2022, 05:17:44 AM
This upcoming stretch is just brutal. Has to be one of the toughest stretches any team faces this season. Currently

Q1
Q1-A
Q1
Q1-A
Q1-A
Q1-A
Q1-A
Q1-A

If we win 2 it's fantastic.

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 14, 2022, 05:42:46 AM
This upcoming stretch is just brutal. Has to be one of the toughest stretches any team faces this season. Currently

Q1
Q1-A
Q1
Q1-A
Q1-A
Q1-A
Q1-A
Q1-A

If we win 2 it's fantastic.

I don’t think falling to 5-9 and basically requiring near perfection down the stretch would be fantastic. Gotta get at least 3. Starting with a win tomorrow is quite imperative.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 14, 2022, 06:51:10 AM
I don’t think falling to 5-9 and basically requiring near perfection down the stretch would be fantastic. Gotta get at least 3. Starting with a win tomorrow is quite imperative.

Agreed and this team is fully capable of doing  that. I don’t see them crumbling under the pressure.  Too many good components playing as a unit. 
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 14, 2022, 07:18:28 AM
This upcoming stretch is just brutal. Has to be one of the toughest stretches any team faces this season. Currently

Q1
Q1-A
Q1
Q1-A
Q1-A
Q1-A
Q1-A
Q1-A

If we win 2 it's fantastic.

Hall is gonna have to work back to a Q1 assuming we beat them.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 14, 2022, 07:26:01 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 13,2021
New Old
7   7   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
18   20   Xavier   
27   26   Seton Hall   
34   33   Providence   
44   43   Marquette   
63   63   Creighton   
97   111   DePaul   
100   108   St. John's
132   142   Butler   
202   182   Georgetown

January 13 Team Sheets . Marquette is 44

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 15, 2022, 06:02:27 AM
Bonnies are going to jump into Q2 after last night. Their 20-point win over VCU moved them up 8 in kenpom, but kenpom saw it as 70 beating 72. In the NET it was 110 beating 50, which will lead to a much bigger metric swing.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Its DJOver on January 15, 2022, 01:47:29 PM
Bonnies win, Illinois win, K-State wins, WVU looks to be hanging tough, Ole Miss with a great opportunity tonight.  Lots of stuff breaking our way.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 15, 2022, 01:52:18 PM
Bonnies win, Illinois win, K-State wins, WVU looks to be hanging tough, Ole Miss with a great opportunity tonight.  Lots of stuff breaking our way.

The Bonnies and Illinois wins kept us at 44.

Our win today and hopefully some results along with Kstates win should move the needle more
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Goose on January 15, 2022, 02:11:54 PM
I have us in 60's after the home cooking by the refs today. This is an unfair W and should be taken off the board.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BCHoopster on January 15, 2022, 02:16:03 PM
So Aiken running over Mitchell was  a fair call. Aiken fouled Elliott before the shot, and Lewis was not fouled on his drive. They even out, today MU got the call for a change.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BrewCity83 on January 15, 2022, 02:30:27 PM
I have us in 60's after the home cooking by the refs today. This is an unfair W and should be taken off the board.

This is a ludicrous take.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 15, 2022, 02:36:02 PM
This is a ludicrous take.

He’s being sarcastic. 
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on January 15, 2022, 02:36:12 PM
This is a ludicrous take.
It is just another of several posts in a row mocking fluffy.    Don't take it seriously.   
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BrewCity83 on January 15, 2022, 02:46:16 PM
OK thanks.  Must have originated in another thread I haven't seen.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 15, 2022, 02:47:19 PM
OK thanks.  Must have originated in another thread I haven't seen.

Pick just about any thread other than this one right now.

You'll see the same discussion taking place
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Fred Garvin on January 15, 2022, 02:49:02 PM
Wait... Greg was fouled?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2022, 02:52:27 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of Friday January 14, 2022
New Old
7   7   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
18   18   Xavier   
27   27   Seton Hall   
33   34   Providence   
44   44   Marquette   
59   63   Creighton   
97   97   DePaul   
102   100   St. John's
132   132   Butler   
199   202   Georgetown   

January 14 Team Sheets. Marquette is 44
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: cheebs09 on January 15, 2022, 03:08:02 PM
The Bonnies and Illinois wins kept us at 44.

Our win today and hopefully some results along with Kstates win should move the needle more

Not sure our win will move us much. I think a 1 point win was close to the expectation. I think it’ll keep us right around 44.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on January 15, 2022, 03:31:46 PM
This one won’t move the needle much in the positive, maybe 4-5 spots.

More importantly it gives Marquette another solid conference win, possibly a Q1 come seasons end.

It also doesn’t move the needle to the negative, which a 5pt loss or more would have.

I’d guess MU moves 40 +- 1 spot
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: cheebs09 on January 15, 2022, 03:38:41 PM
Yup. Real nice win for the resume.

Also, shows how much MU improved over the last few weeks that a win like this doesn’t move the needle much for the computers.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: jfp61 on January 15, 2022, 03:41:50 PM
it will help us from moving down too much when we inevitably lose big to Nova on Josh Harts jersey retirement night.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PointWarrior on January 15, 2022, 03:43:34 PM
Proud member of the “Cult of Low Expectations?”



This upcoming stretch is just brutal. Has to be one of the toughest stretches any team faces this season. Currently

Q1
Q1-A
Q1
Q1-A
Q1-A
Q1-A
Q1-A
Q1-A

If we win 2 it's fantastic.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on January 15, 2022, 04:21:09 PM
Proud member of the “Cult of Low Expectations?”

Nah, the COLE wouldn't have us win any.

With the win today we should be in if we take care of business. But the margin is thin.

Win one of these bect 6 and I fully expect us to be dancing. Win more than 1 and I'm happy to revise expectations upward.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 15, 2022, 04:34:04 PM
Our metrics won't move, but adding a Q1 win does significantly improve our resume.  We now have 3 Q1 wins and are 5-6 against the first two quadrants. That's better than the vast majority of teams in the bubble discussion.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 15, 2022, 10:40:31 PM
Ole Miss had a 9 point second half lead and it was a 4 point game with 3 minutes left, but Auburn owned the last 3 minutes and pulled away to win by 9. Won't hurt our metrics much as that's about what Auburn was expected to win by.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: YoungMUFan4 on January 16, 2022, 09:50:50 AM
Up to 39 in the NET following the win over SHU.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 16, 2022, 09:59:00 AM
Up to 39 in the NET following the win over SHU.
Just saw that is awesome!!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 16, 2022, 10:04:07 AM
Up to 39 in the NET following the win over SHU.

Very nice. Resume is looking good relative to a lot of the teams too. Let's have a successful middle 6 games and make the final 7 about seeding!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 10:10:19 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 15,2022
New Old
6   7   Villanova   
15   16   UConn   
17   18   Xavier   
30   27   Seton Hall   
33   33   Providence   
39   44   Marquette   
56   59   Creighton   
98   97   DePaul   
99   102   St. John's
131   132   Butler   
200   199   Georgetown   

January 15th Team Sheets. Marquette is 39
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Mu8891 on January 16, 2022, 06:29:05 PM
Up to 39 .. awesome
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 06:32:21 PM
Any other conference have a half-dozen teams in the top 40?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 16, 2022, 07:24:47 PM
Any other conference have a half-dozen teams in the top 40?

Just the Big 10 and 12 with 7 and 6 respectively
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 16, 2022, 07:58:09 PM
TeamRankings Logo
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Predictions Update
Jan 16, 2022
•   After beating Seton Hall 73-72 yesterday, Marquette is now projected to finish the regular season 18-13 (10-10 Big East).
•   The odds that the Golden Eagles make the NCAA tournament are up to 92%, an increase of 9% since yesterday.
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #51 team in the country, and the #6 team in the Big East.
•   Next game: Wed, Jan 19 at #10 Villanova. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 13% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 92%   Get Automatic NCAA Bid 3% Projected Seed
(if Selected) 10
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 10:14:42 PM
Just the Big 10 and 12 with 7 and 6 respectively

Thanks TAMU.

Next game: Wed, Jan 19 at #10 Villanova. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 13% chance to win.

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Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 16, 2022, 10:33:32 PM
TeamRankings Logo
Marquette Logo   Marquette Basketball
Predictions Update
Jan 16, 2022
•   After beating Seton Hall 73-72 yesterday, Marquette is now projected to finish the regular season 18-13 (10-10 Big East).
•   The odds that the Golden Eagles make the NCAA tournament are up to 92%, an increase of 9% since yesterday.
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #51 team in the country, and the #6 team in the Big East.
•   Next game: Wed, Jan 19 at #10 Villanova. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 13% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 92%   Get Automatic NCAA Bid 3% Projected Seed
(if Selected) 10

That’s better than ESPNs BPi projection. That gives us a 5% chance
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: jfp61 on January 16, 2022, 10:34:31 PM
That’s better than ESPNs BPi projection. That gives us a 5% chance
I think its 92% if it ended today. Our odds are close to 50%
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 17, 2022, 07:38:23 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 16,2022
New Old
3   6   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
16   17   Xavier   
30   30   Seton Hall   
33   33   Providence   
41   39   Marquette   
55   56   Creighton   
97   99   St. John's
98   98   DePaul   
146   131   Butler   
211   200   Georgetown   

January 16 Team Sheet . Marquette is 41

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: jficke13 on January 17, 2022, 08:45:38 AM
Georgetown is 211 in the Net?! Goodness. Approaching Pitt-esque depths on their fall, aren't they?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 17, 2022, 01:10:36 PM
Big East Poll Rankings January 17,2022

AP
11. Nova
20. X
21. Cooley & Company
25. U-Conn
Coaches
11. Nova
20. X
21. Cooley & Company
25. U-Conn
Others Receiving Votes
The Hall

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on January 17, 2022, 02:25:26 PM
Georgetown is 211 in the Net?! Goodness. Approaching Pitt-esque depths on their fall, aren't they?

Really feel bad for them. Wonder if PE even makes the end of the season?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 08:06:49 PM
If we get clocked by Nova this could be an ugly couple days for our NET based on todays results
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 09:51:37 PM
If we get clocked by Nova this could be an ugly couple days for our NET based on todays results

Kstate stepped up. nice
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on January 18, 2022, 09:53:52 PM
Kstate stepped up. nice

Wisconsin will get a solid road win as well. Won’t help our metrics but won’t hurt them either.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: forgetful on January 18, 2022, 09:56:22 PM
Kstate stepped up. nice

They are now close to a Q1 win.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 09:57:32 PM
They are now close to a Q1 win.

They entered today 1 spot off from Q1

They definitely will be one tomorrow
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: bradforster on January 18, 2022, 10:08:44 PM
At one point tonight Carr scored 17 of 19 points for Texas in the second half, yet they weren’t smart enough to keep giving him the ball.  K State forced him into a tough shot at the buzzer, he finally missed one and the Wildcats escaped with a road upset.  This K State team is healthy for the first time all year and could be ready to make some noise in the conference.  They were definitely the more poised team down the stretch in this one.  It’s a nice result for MU.  For such a demanding fan base, the arena was half empty and the crowd seemed mostly apathetic throughout.  I love when UT loses!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 10:10:01 PM
At one point tonight Carr scored 17 of 19 points for Texas in the second half, yet they weren’t smart enough to keep giving him the ball.  K State forced him into a tough shot at the buzzer, he finally missed one and the Wildcats escaped with a road upset.  This K State team is healthy for the first time all year and could be ready to make some noise in the conference.  They were definitely the more poised team down the stretch in this one.  It’s a nice result for MU.  For such a demanding fan base, the arena was half empty and the crowd seemed mostly apathetic throughout.  I love when UT loses!

Letting Carr play hero ball results in L's.

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 18, 2022, 11:10:42 PM
Letting Carr play hero ball results in L's.

Beard = Wojo?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 19, 2022, 07:42:26 AM
We jumped to 39 thanks to Kstate

Bonnie’s dropped from Q2 tho so need them to get back
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 19, 2022, 08:11:06 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 18,2022
New Old
3   3   Villanova   
15   16   Xavier   
16   15   UConn   
29   29   Seton Hall
32   33   Providence   
39   40   Marquette   
59   56   Creighton   
98   97   St. John's
100   99   DePaul   
142   141   Butler   
212   212   Georgetown   

January 18 Team Sheet . Marquette is 39
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteDano on January 19, 2022, 08:12:37 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 18,2022
New Old
3   3   Villanova   
15   16   Xavier   
16   15   UConn   
29   29   Seton Hall
32   33   Providence   
39   40   Marquette   
59   56   Creighton   
98   97   St. John's
100   99   DePaul   
142   141   Butler   
212   212   Georgetown   

January 18 Team Sheet . Marquette is 39
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Really expected us to drop after our opponents,  sans K State,  did not do well yesterday.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2022, 08:15:57 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 18,2022
New Old
3   3   Villanova   
15   16   Xavier   
16   15   UConn   
29   29   Seton Hall
32   33   Providence   
39   40   Marquette   
59   56   Creighton   
98   97   St. John's
100   99   DePaul   
142   141   Butler   
212   212   Georgetown   

January 18 Team Sheet . Marquette is 39
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Georgetown is such an embarrassment
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on January 19, 2022, 09:02:36 AM
Really expected us to drop after our opponents,  sans K State,  did not do well yesterday.
I could be wrong (again), but with all the games that have been played, its hard now to move the needle much based on opponents results. A team only really seem to move much if they win big, or lose big compared to expected results (see North Carolina last night).
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 19, 2022, 09:08:39 AM
I could be wrong (again), but with all the games that have been played, its hard now to move the needle much based on opponents results. A team only really seem to move much if they win big, or lose big compared to expected results (see North Carolina last night).

How opponents perform still matters but you are largely correct. The deeper we get into the season, the less each individual game (including the ones we play) will move the needle.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on January 19, 2022, 09:19:18 AM
Georgetown is such an embarrassment

PE needs to go, when you're a Q4 loss for teams playing you on the road you are now only a detriment to the conference.

Some BE team this year (hopefully not us) will lose a game @GT and it will keep them out of the tourney.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 19, 2022, 09:27:44 AM
PE needs to go, when you're a Q4 loss for teams playing you on the road you are now only a detriment to the conference.

Some BE team this year (hopefully not us) will lose a game @GT and it will keep them out of the tourney.

Well we can’t lose at Gtown.

We could lose to them at home though and that would hurt even worse
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 19, 2022, 11:08:48 AM
PE needs to go, when you're a Q4 loss for teams playing you on the road you are now only a detriment to the conference.

Some BE team this year (hopefully not us) will lose a game @GT and it will keep them out of the tourney.

I think this is pretty unlikely. We already won at Georgetown, so it won't be us. The only other team that doesn't have enough resume heft that a road GT loss might hurt their case is Creighton, so I'd keep an eye on those February 12th/14th back to back tilts.

Unless, of course, you mean the Hoyas themselves. They've lost 4 games @GT (Dartmouth, TCU, Marquette, Butler) and might have a bubble case had those all gone the other way. Especially with home games against 'Nova, UConn, and Seton Hall among others, coming up.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on January 19, 2022, 01:03:39 PM

Unless, of course, you mean the Hoyas themselves. They've lost 4 games @GT (Dartmouth, TCU, Marquette, Butler) and might have a bubble case had those all gone the other way. Especially with home games against 'Nova, UConn, and Seton Hall among others, coming up.

Brew you must be pretty deep into those team sheets…
I doubt he meant the Hoyas themselves, they are putrid 😂

I guess everyone has a bubble case until proven otherwise
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 19, 2022, 01:18:13 PM
Brew you must be pretty deep into those team sheets…
I doubt he meant the Hoyas themselves, they are putrid 😂

I guess everyone has a bubble case until proven otherwise

Very tongue in cheek, but if the Hoyas had won those 4 home losses and finished the season unbeaten at home, they would probably be a tourney team. So the only team that is likely to actually be left out for losing at Georgetown is Georgetown themselves ;)
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on January 19, 2022, 04:07:57 PM
Right, sorry, I meant hope we don't lose st home (but thats been a Q4 game for a while).

I was thinking something more like Creighton - or Providence or UCONN if they happen to hit a broader skid. A Q4 loss is ugly.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 19, 2022, 09:15:12 PM
Can’t wait to see the update.

Metrics tend to looove road wins.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 19, 2022, 09:19:52 PM
Up to 39 on KenPom from 50
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2022, 09:22:28 PM
Up to 39 on KenPom from 50

Cracked the top 40 in defense, too
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 19, 2022, 09:39:39 PM
Cracked the top 40 in defense, too

Even Torvik has MU top 40 (#40) defense now.  Although only 54 overall thus far.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 09:41:01 PM
Up to 39 on KenPom from 50

What's our NET after tonight?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 19, 2022, 09:50:56 PM
Even Torvik has MU top 40 (#40) defense now.  Although only 54 overall thus far.

Torvik have the last seven seasons averaged in?  WTF?  54?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 20, 2022, 12:50:25 AM
Surging Teams
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on January 20, 2022, 01:57:22 AM
Surging Teams

And this was BEFORE the VU win. Pretty much the hottest team in the country right now
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 20, 2022, 06:57:24 AM
And this was BEFORE the VU win. Pretty much the hottest team in the country right now

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Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Goose on January 20, 2022, 07:03:42 AM
This team is so hot that I am going to skip watching Tom Brady on Sunday and get my ass down to the FF for the game. For the record, I don't love Brady quite as much as I love the Al era of MU ball, but he is much watch TV for me. MU basketball is back to must attend games status. The exciting part, this is program is just starting to be put back together. IMO, every MU fan should get their ass to the FF and cheer on this team and their HC, Shaka.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 20, 2022, 07:32:14 AM
Up to 34.

I personally figured about 33 so can't be disappointed.

Was really hoping for low 30s though.

Hell of a rise in 5 games!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 20, 2022, 07:47:29 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 19,2022
New Old
6   3   Villanova   
15   15   Xavier   
16   16   UConn   
29   29   Seton Hall   
32   32   Providence   
34   39   Marquette   
50   59   Creighton   
99   100   DePaul   
104   98   St. John's
147   142   Butler   
216   212   Georgetown
January 19 Team Sheets. Marquette is 34
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on January 20, 2022, 07:54:01 AM
This team is so hot that I am going to skip watching Tom Brady on Sunday and get my ass down to the FF for the game. For the record, I don't love Brady quite as much as I love the Al era of MU ball, but he is much watch TV for me. MU basketball is back to must attend games status. The exciting part, this is program is just starting to be put back together. IMO, every MU fan should get their ass to the FF and cheer on this team and their HC, Shaka.

FF better be standing room only Sunday
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: CAGASS24 on January 20, 2022, 07:55:25 AM
Creighton moves up 9 for beating SJU and we move up 5 for beating nova on the road - oh well - win Saturday and gotta think we’ll be in the polls
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 20, 2022, 07:59:52 AM
Creighton moves up 9 for beating SJU and we move up 5 for beating nova on the road - oh well - win Saturday and gotta think we’ll be in the polls

Little bit easier to jump up further back id imagine.

And as we saw with our Providence and Gtown wins. Winning by a load of points is very beneficial.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 20, 2022, 08:44:14 AM
Creighton moves up 9 for beating SJU and we move up 5 for beating nova on the road - oh well - win Saturday and gotta think we’ll be in the polls

Bell curve. Keep in mind that NET is a formula to kicks out a number, not a ranking. Those numbers are then ranked 1-358. The distance between each number is not equal. The closer you get to the top and the bottom, the harder it is to move up. The distance between #1 and #2 in NET is a lot greater than the distance between #50 and #51.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 20, 2022, 08:49:12 AM
What a colossally huge win last night. 4-7 finish (assuming @SJU never made up) might be good enough to get in with a win like that.  Anything better and you're for sure in with in a win like that.  Heck of a run for Shaka and the boys since the heartbreaker vs. Creighton!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 20, 2022, 08:50:29 AM
Little bit easier to jump up further back id imagine.

And as we saw with our Providence and Gtown wins. Winning by a load of points is very beneficial.
Agree. The  hill gets steeper the lower the NET. Harder to pass teams that have done much too and easier to pass teams that have not done as much imagine.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on January 20, 2022, 09:05:35 AM
January 1st- MU had a NET of 83

January 20th- MU has a NET of 34

Seems impossible.

What a start to 2022!!!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on January 20, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
I'm puzzled by this:

12-6 Record
1-3 Road
3-2 Neutral
8-1 Home
5-5 Quad 1
2-0 Quad 2
5-1 Quad 3
0-0 Quad 4

21 Ranking

13-6 Record
3-2 Road
2-1 Neutral
8-3 Home
5-4 Quad 1
1-2 Quad 2
3-0 Quad 3
4-0 Quad 4

34 Ranking

I'm not seeing how Alabama is a full 13 NET spots higher.  Is it because they don't have any Quad 4 games?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: jfp61 on January 20, 2022, 11:32:31 AM
I'm puzzled by this:

12-6 Record
1-3 Road
3-2 Neutral
8-1 Home
5-5 Quad 1
2-0 Quad 2
5-1 Quad 3
0-0 Quad 4

21 Ranking

13-6 Record
3-2 Road
2-1 Neutral
8-3 Home
5-4 Quad 1
1-2 Quad 2
3-0 Quad 3
4-0 Quad 4

34 Ranking

I'm not seeing how Alabama is a full 13 NET spots higher.  Is it because they don't have any Quad 4 games?

I think beating Gonzaga by 9 helps your NET ranking. half of the net is predictive and based on efficiency ratings.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 20, 2022, 11:34:06 AM
I'm puzzled by this:

12-6 Record
1-3 Road
3-2 Neutral
8-1 Home
5-5 Quad 1
2-0 Quad 2
5-1 Quad 3
0-0 Quad 4

21 Ranking

13-6 Record
3-2 Road
2-1 Neutral
8-3 Home
5-4 Quad 1
1-2 Quad 2
3-0 Quad 3
4-0 Quad 4

34 Ranking

I'm not seeing how Alabama is a full 13 NET spots higher.  Is it because they don't have any Quad 4 games?

In Kenpom anyway, they haven't played any teams worse than 166.  They've played 166,  137, 123, and 106.  Everyone else top 100.

We've played 304, 272, 270, and 224.

They've played the hardest schedule in the country and we are 5th hardest.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 20, 2022, 12:00:44 PM
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Predictions Update
Jan 20, 2022
•   After beating Villanova 57-54 yesterday, Marquette is now projected to finish the regular season 19-12 (11-9 Big East).
•   The odds that the Golden Eagles make the NCAA tournament are up to 98%, an increase of 7% since yesterday.
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #46 team in the country, and the #5 team in the Big East.
•   Next game: Sun, Jan 23 vs. #19 Xavier. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 45% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections
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Get Automatic NCAA Bid 4%
Projected Seed (if Selected) 8
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 20, 2022, 12:04:30 PM
7 top 50 teams for the BE is not too shabby
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 20, 2022, 12:58:20 PM
I'm puzzled by this:

12-6 Record
1-3 Road
3-2 Neutral
8-1 Home
5-5 Quad 1
2-0 Quad 2
5-1 Quad 3
0-0 Quad 4

21 Ranking

13-6 Record
3-2 Road
2-1 Neutral
8-3 Home
5-4 Quad 1
1-2 Quad 2
3-0 Quad 3
4-0 Quad 4

34 Ranking

I'm not seeing how Alabama is a full 13 NET spots higher.  Is it because they don't have any Quad 4 games?

It's not the lack of Q4 games, it's Marquette's relatively close margins in Q4 games. In addition, look at the margins of defeat. 5 of Alabama's 6 defeats are by 6 or fewer points, whereas every one of ours is by 6 or more, and half are by double digits (compared to only 1 for 'Bama). They also have better wins than we do. All of their Q1 wins are in Q1A, including 4 wins over top-13 opponents.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on January 20, 2022, 01:13:07 PM
Makes sense.  Thanks for explanations. 

This may be my Wojo-era experience talking, but 98% chance of making the NCAAT seems fantastical.  Still have PTSD from the losing stretches that seemed to end every season.  On the bright side, our schedule *should* get easier closer to the end.  Nothing guaranteed until we hear our name on Selection Sunday.  Just keep winning your next game.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 20, 2022, 01:58:28 PM
Makes sense.  Thanks for explanations. 

This may be my Wojo-era experience talking, but 98% chance of making the NCAAT seems fantastical.  Still have PTSD from the losing stretches that seemed to end every season.  On the bright side, our schedule *should* get easier closer to the end.  Nothing guaranteed until we hear our name on Selection Sunday.  Just keep winning your next game.

98% is fantastical. If we go 18-13 we're probably in, 19-12 or 19-13 and we're definitely in, but that does require 5-6 in our last 11. It feels likely, but not 98% likely.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TheGym on January 20, 2022, 04:18:15 PM
Makes sense.  Thanks for explanations. 

This may be my Wojo-era experience talking, but 98% chance of making the NCAAT seems fantastical.  Still have PTSD from the losing stretches that seemed to end every season.  On the bright side, our schedule *should* get easier closer to the end.  Nothing guaranteed until we hear our name on Selection Sunday.  Just keep winning your next game.

I wonder how many times under Wojo were we at a 98% of making the tournament in January...go on to lose the large majority of the remaining games...miss the tournament.  If there was one coach who could make that happen it was Wojo.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Nukem2 on January 20, 2022, 04:22:45 PM
I wonder how many times under Wojo were we at a 98% of making the tournament in January...go on to lose the large majority of the remaining games...miss the tournament.  If there was one coach who could make that happen it was Wojo.
While we had those late season droughts, the number of times is actually zero.  We can’t know about 19-20 but the NET rank made MU a virtual cinch to make the tourney.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on January 20, 2022, 04:28:55 PM
I wonder how many times under Wojo were we at a 98% of making the tournament in January...go on to lose the large majority of the remaining games...miss the tournament.  If there was one coach who could make that happen it was Wojo.
None.  Seeding, sure.   
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2022, 10:51:04 AM
Big East NET rankings as of Games of Janauary 20, 2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
15   16   UConn   
16   15   Xavier   
30   29   Seton Hall   
33   34   Marquette   
34   32   Providence   
52   50   Creighton   
99   99   DePaul   
103   104   St. John's
156   147   Butler   
208   216   Georgetown   

January 20 Team Sheets . Marquette is 33
 https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 08:11:09 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 21, 2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
16   16   Xavier   
30   30   Seton Hall   
33   33   Marquette   
34   34   Providence   
51   52   Creighton   
100   99   DePaul   
104   103   St. John's
155   156   Butler   
209   208   Georgetown   
January 21 Team Sheets . Marquette is 33
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Fred Garvin on January 22, 2022, 04:21:50 PM
Kansas St up 8 on Kansas with 15 minutes left
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Oldgym on January 22, 2022, 04:55:45 PM
Kansas St up 8 on Kansas with 15 minutes left

Nigel Pack with 33.  Kinda glad we didn't see that dude six weeks ago.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 22, 2022, 05:13:31 PM
8-0 run wins it for Kansas. 78-75
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 23, 2022, 09:32:39 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 22, 2021
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
17   16   Xavier   
30   30   Seton Hall   
36   33   Marquette   
38   34   Providence   
49   51   Creighton   
103   100   DePaul   
108   104   St. John's
158   155   Butler   
202   209   Georgetown
January 22 Team Sheets . Marquette is 36
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on January 23, 2022, 03:10:29 PM
Won by 11. Does that mean we Maxed our our NET capabilities?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: GB Warrior on January 23, 2022, 03:15:25 PM
Won by 11. Does that mean we Maxed our our NET capabilities?

Dunno if it's why, but I loved the intensity of the final defensive play to keep it at 11
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on January 23, 2022, 04:58:20 PM
Want to bump this back to the top. Since we won by 11 did we max our our NET
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: cheebs09 on January 23, 2022, 05:01:06 PM
Want to bump this back to the top. Since we won by 11 did we max our our NET

One portion of the algorithm. However, the efficiency metric doesn’t have a cap.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: forgetful on January 23, 2022, 05:06:11 PM
Want to bump this back to the top. Since we won by 11 did we max our our NET

I've mentioned this before, but it seems a lot are still unaware. The NCAA removed scoring margin from the NET. So scoring margin doesn't matter, besides how it affects efficiency.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-simplify-formula-for-college-basketballs-net-ratings/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-simplify-formula-for-college-basketballs-net-ratings/)

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-12-06/college-basketballs-net-rankings-explained (https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-12-06/college-basketballs-net-rankings-explained)
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 23, 2022, 05:21:23 PM
Want to bump this back to the top. Since we won by 11 did we max our our NET

There's no such thing as maxing out our NET. You can always be more efficient which improves your NET. There is a "bonus" in NET for scoring margin that caps at 10, so we maxed that out.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2022, 05:22:39 PM
Just win, baby
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on January 23, 2022, 05:26:35 PM
There's no such thing as maxing out our NET. You can always be more efficient which improves your NET. There is a "bonus" in NET for scoring margin that caps at 10, so we maxed that out.

Thanks for this clarification!!!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on January 23, 2022, 05:27:44 PM
I've mentioned this before, but it seems a lot are still unaware. The NCAA removed scoring margin from the NET. So scoring margin doesn't matter, besides how it affects efficiency.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-simplify-formula-for-college-basketballs-net-ratings/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-simplify-formula-for-college-basketballs-net-ratings/)

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-12-06/college-basketballs-net-rankings-explained (https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-12-06/college-basketballs-net-rankings-explained)

Thanks! I appreciate the links. I had a lot of questions about NET and this helps!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: The Equalizer on January 23, 2022, 05:35:37 PM
I've mentioned this before, but it seems a lot are still unaware. The NCAA removed scoring margin from the NET. So scoring margin doesn't matter, besides how it affects efficiency.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-simplify-formula-for-college-basketballs-net-ratings/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-simplify-formula-for-college-basketballs-net-ratings/)

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-12-06/college-basketballs-net-rankings-explained (https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-12-06/college-basketballs-net-rankings-explained)

And just 15 minutes later ...

There's no such thing as maxing out our NET. You can always be more efficient which improves your NET. There is a "bonus" in NET for scoring margin that caps at 10, so we maxed that out.

Okay, guys, which is it? 
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: forgetful on January 23, 2022, 05:40:50 PM
And just 15 minutes later ...

Okay, guys, which is it?

I'm a bit torn. I trust my links, but TAMU usually knows his crap in this arena.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: forgetful on January 23, 2022, 05:41:41 PM
Also, strange aside. But last season we had the most Q1 wins (5) out of all teams who didn't make the tournament.

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on January 23, 2022, 06:00:04 PM
Unranked. Receiving votes. Doubt we go from 0 votes to ranked.

But they really do deserve to be ranked
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 23, 2022, 06:05:23 PM
Unranked. Receiving votes. Doubt we go from 0 votes to ranked.

But they really do deserve to be ranked


I don't know....with all of the other teams that lost and two more wins over ranked teams, including a road win at Nova, I think they get in.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2022, 06:05:36 PM
Unranked. Receiving votes. Doubt we go from 0 votes to ranked.

But they really do deserve to be ranked

We will 100% be ranked
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: panda on January 23, 2022, 06:14:37 PM
We will 100% be ranked

Yep - 6 game win streak and 2 straight against ranked opponents. Maybe 3 ? Can’t remember if SHU was ranked
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2022, 06:16:00 PM
Yep - 6 game win streak and 2 straight against ranked opponents. Maybe 3 ? Can’t remember if SHU was ranked

Yup at the time they were
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 23, 2022, 06:16:13 PM
We just beat 3 top-20 teams. If we are not ranked, it is clearly a vast right-wing conspiracy.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Goose on January 23, 2022, 06:18:33 PM
Ranked or not ranked, this is top twenty team at the moment. There is not a BE team that is inking in a win against this team. While being ranked tomorrow is going to taste great, staying there is the goal.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 23, 2022, 06:59:38 PM
I'm a bit torn. I trust my links, but TAMU usually knows his crap in this arena.

Nope it appears I'm wrong. I missed that change,  thanks for the links!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 23, 2022, 07:02:53 PM
We just beat 3 top-20 teams. If we are not ranked, it is clearly a vast right-wing conspiracy.

I will be completely stunned if we are not ranked.

The Nova win put us on every voter's radar. Then to follow up with another win over a ranked team ... to borrow a phrase ...

#donedeal
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: cheebs09 on January 23, 2022, 07:05:26 PM
I will be completely stunned if we are not ranked.

The Nova win put us on every voter's radar. Then to follow up with another win over a ranked team ... to borrow a phrase ...

#donedeal

I agree. Some of it is just who is hot at the time. It’s less about resumes and more about who is winning. I think we’ve turned enough heads to make the leap this week.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on January 23, 2022, 07:55:13 PM
We will 100% be ranked

I posted in the wrong thread. Thought I was in the what are we ranked thread. I’d love to be wrong. I thought we deserved votes last week and definitely deserve to be ranked this week. I just think we’ll miss by a few points.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on January 23, 2022, 10:41:43 PM
Also, strange aside. But last season we had the most Q1 wins (5) out of all teams who didn't make the tournament.

I wish you would’ve just let us be forgetful of that little nugget

I like the win and the 11 pt margin here, along with the metrics rise defensively.

I’ll go with a guess of a rise from 36 to 29 in tomorrows NET!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 23, 2022, 10:48:49 PM
I wish you would’ve just let us be forgetful of that little nugget

I like the win and the 11 pt margin here, along with the metrics rise defensively.

I’ll go with a guess of a rise from 36 to 29 in tomorrows NET!

Guess that's good we got 6 so far with the Providence one possibly moving into Q1
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on January 24, 2022, 03:25:22 AM
I posted in the wrong thread. Thought I was in the what are we ranked thread. I’d love to be wrong. I thought we deserved votes last week and definitely deserve to be ranked this week. I just think we’ll miss by a few points.

Someone here will.surely give you mega odds if you wanted to.wager on that.

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2022, 07:22:55 AM
Up to 32
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2022, 07:25:54 AM
Guess that's good we got 6 so far with the Providence one possibly moving into Q1

Only chance Prov moves to Q1 is if they sweep this week........which includes our game on Saturday. THey are late 30s right now.

SHU also might need to beat us to keep their precarious spot as well

Obviously beat both SHU and Prov and we gain 2 Q1 wins for them this week so just win and we will keep a good total.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on January 24, 2022, 07:29:28 AM
Looks like we have played the most Q1 games in the country. Also, UNC is 0-6 in Q1 games. Another stat, we have moved into the Top 10 in Assists per game.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 24, 2022, 07:53:10 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 23, 2021
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
19   17   Xavier   
29   30   Seton Hall   
32   36   Marquette   
39   38   Providence   
52   49   Creighton   
103   103   DePaul   
109   108   St. John's
150   158   Butler   
201   202   Georgetown
January 23 Team Sheets . Marquette is 32
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 24, 2022, 07:55:24 AM
Another stat, we have moved into the Top 10 in Assists per game.

MU is #2 in assist rate. Have been near top for a long while due to style of play. TKo is #20 individually, just wish he'd get his TO rate down.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 24, 2022, 08:37:33 AM
We just beat 3 top-20 teams. If we are not ranked, it is clearly a vast right write-wing conspiracy.
FIFY
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 24, 2022, 11:27:51 AM
Big East Poll Rankings as of January 24,2022
AP
14. Nova
17. Cooley & Company
20. U-Conn
21. X
22. MU
Others Receiving Votes
The Hall
Coaches
12. Nova
17. Cooley & Company
19. U-Conn
23. X
Others Receiving Votes
MU, The Hall
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2022, 11:32:44 AM
Damn coaches still ain’t paying attention
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 24, 2022, 11:43:07 AM
Damn coaches still ain’t paying attention

Coaches poll usually lags the AP.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on January 24, 2022, 01:08:14 PM
Damn assistant coaches still ain’t paying attention
FIFY
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 24, 2022, 01:28:24 PM
Damn coaches video coordinators still ain’t paying attention

FIFY
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on January 24, 2022, 01:29:08 PM
FIFY
;D
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Jay Bee on January 24, 2022, 02:09:12 PM
Another stat, we have moved into the Top 10 in Assists per game.

Too bad per stats no Matta. However, we are #2 in assist rate. Too bad it’s more of a style metric & doesn’t necessarily indicate efficiency.

#1 in the nation is Lafayette,  who has an awful offense.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 24, 2022, 11:47:18 PM
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Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 25, 2022, 09:25:47 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 24, 2002
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
19   19   Xavier   
32   32   Marquette   
36   29   Seton Hall   
39   39   Providence   
51   52   Creighton   
91   109   St. John's
104   103   DePaul   
156   150   Butler   
201   201   Georgetown   

January 24 Team Sheet . Marquette is 32

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TVDirector on January 25, 2022, 05:13:30 PM
From Bleacher Report:

West Region (San Francisco)
Portland, Oregon
No. 1 Gonzaga vs. No. 16
Weber State

No. 8 Seton Hall vs. No. 9 Iowa

Portland, Oregon
No. 4 Texas Tech vs. No. 13 South Dakota State

No. 5 Marquette vs. No. 12 Iona

Greenville, South Carolina
No. 3 LSU vs. No. 14 Oakland

No. 6 Ohio State vs. No. 11 Miami

Indianapolis, Indiana
No. 2 Purdue vs. No. 15 Liberty

No. 7 West Virginia vs. No. 10 San Diego State

On the Rise: Marquette Golden Eagles (Up Four Seed Lines)
14-6, NET: 32, RES: 26.0, QUAL: 44.3

Have a week, Marquette.
Not only did the Golden Eagles become the first team to win at Villanova since February 2020, but they came back home a few days later and picked up an 11-point victory over then-AP No. 20 Xavier. They also beat Seton Hall the previous weekend and started their current six-game winning streak with a quality victory over Providence.
Marquette now has six Quadrant 1 wins, which is more than any team in the country not named Baylor. And the schedule is loaded with more opportunities in the immediate future. The Golden Eagles' next four games are: at Seton Hall, at Providence, vs. Villanova, at Connecticut. But at this point, they could go 0-4 in those games and still be in good shape to dance.

https://apple.news/APKqXiLt4S3yV09x9QATiDA

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 25, 2022, 05:18:29 PM
Normally, I'd want MU to play in Greenville so I could go ... but I actually will be in the PNW during the start of March Madness, so I'd love it if they went to Portland!

Otherwise, I'm hoping for Indy. I won't be able to make it but I know that would be convenient for a lot of MU fans, and we can use all the fans we can get. Plus, Indy always does a great job with hoops tourneys.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 05:20:38 PM
From Bleacher Report:

West Region (San Francisco)
Portland, Oregon
No. 1 Gonzaga vs. No. 16
Weber State

No. 8 Seton Hall vs. No. 9 Iowa

Portland, Oregon
No. 4 Texas Tech vs. No. 13 South Dakota State

No. 5 Marquette vs. No. 12 Iona

A 5 vs 12 matchup against Pitino?
F--k that.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Goose on January 25, 2022, 05:22:05 PM
I'd love Portland opening weekend. My daughter lives there and would make for a great weekend with her.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PJDunn on January 25, 2022, 05:34:36 PM
Let's just call it Portland. Easy drive for me, and what else matters??
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 25, 2022, 07:03:58 PM
A 5 vs 12 matchup against Pitino?
F--k that.

My first thought too
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 25, 2022, 09:05:46 PM
What ... you guys would feel bad about Pitino losing to Marquette in his final game at Iona?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2022, 10:20:36 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of Janauary 25, 2022
New Old
5   6   Villanova   
17   15   UConn   
18   19   Xavier   
31   32   Marquette   
36   36   Seton Hall   
41   39   Providence   
50   51   Creighton   
92   91   St. John's
109   104   DePaul   
155   156   Butler   
203   201   Georgetown
January 25 Team Sheets. Marquette is 31
 https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Milkshakes on January 26, 2022, 10:29:28 AM
I know this comment will make those of you who follow this stuff want to pull your hair out but Providence seems to be getting screwed. 
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 26, 2022, 10:46:23 AM
I know this comment will make those of you who follow this stuff want to pull your hair out but Providence seems to be getting screwed.

How so?

I don't mean to be snarky, but their resume has all the hallmarks of a sham. Close buy game wins over Fairfield, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Central Connecticut (15 is bad when you're 25 point favorites). Their best wins are all by 2 possessions or fewer (Bucky, Northwestern, Texas Tech, UConn, SHU). Their 6-1 league record is mostly based on 4 wins over the league's bottom 4 teams. And their losses are horrendous blowouts (18 is really bad when you're a 1 point favorite).

Their resume compares favorably with 2018 Xavier, 2019 Marquette, and other teams that tend to get overseeded and lose early in March when their W/L results don't match their actual per possession production. Consider this, in 9 games against top-100 kenpom opposition, Providence is 7-2. In those same 7 games, they have a scoring differential of MINUS SEVEN!!! That is the definition of a team that isn't as good as their record shows.

Providence isn't getting screwed, they just aren't 16-2 good.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 26, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
Has anyone noticed that every time someone brings up our UofI win people say "yeah but there was no Kofi" but I haven't seen the same with Providence's win over Bucky & Johnny Davis
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BrewCity83 on January 26, 2022, 10:52:36 AM
Has anyone noticed that every time someone brings up our UofI win people say "yeah but there was no Kofi" but I haven't seen the same with Providence's win over Bucky & Johnny Davis

My BADger friends never shut up about that.  They don't even count it as a loss.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 26, 2022, 10:56:06 AM
My BADger friends never shut up about that.  They don't even count it as a loss.

MSU has erased the L from their record because they lost to Illinois without Kofi playing. 
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 26, 2022, 10:56:49 AM
Has anyone noticed that every time someone brings up our UofI win people say "yeah but there was no Kofi" but I haven't seen the same with Providence's win over Bucky & Johnny Davis

Listen to Jeff Goodman (well...maybe not, but he talks about it a lot). They beat Bucky without Johnny Davis, UConn without Adama Sanogo, and Seton Hall without Obiagu. In terms of resume luck, Providence has a horseshoe up their ass.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 26, 2022, 10:59:46 AM
Listen to Jeff Goodman (well...maybe not, but he talks about it a lot). They beat Bucky without Johnny Davis, UConn without Adama Sanogo, and Seton Hall without Obiagu. In terms of resume luck, Providence has a horseshoe up their ass.

That was what we were talking about when they came to Milwaukee. They were lucky and winning tight games while the metrics didn't show a lot of confidence in the results. I do think they are very beatable at the Dunk not only because we match up withthem well, but due to the regression on record I expect to see. Nova, UConn, and X are going to be the teams we will compete with for top slot (or top 3 slots) in the Big East.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 26, 2022, 11:03:05 AM
I tend to believe The Provi is overrated but will withhold full judgment until after we crush them again on Saturday.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on January 26, 2022, 11:08:28 AM
Listen to Jeff Goodman (well...maybe not, but he talks about it a lot). They beat Bucky without Johnny Davis, UConn without Adama Sanogo, and Seton Hall without Obiagu. In terms of resume luck, Providence has a horseshoe up their ass.

I haven't done a deep dive on every team but I think it's just going to be more common in the COVID era. We beat ILL without Kofi, KSU without Pack, Georgetown without Carey, Providence without Reeves. We almost certainly lose the first two if those guys play, and almost certainly win the latter two regardless.

We also were missing Morsell against UCONN and Kam against Creighton, and either of them playing may have flipped those results. Except in incredibly extreme cases I'd bet the committee doesn't bother to look at which guys missed certain games.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 26, 2022, 11:21:24 AM
I haven't done a deep dive on every team but I think it's just going to be more common in the COVID era. We beat ILL without Kofi, KSU without Pack, Georgetown without Carey, Providence without Reeves. We almost certainly lose the first two if those guys play, and almost certainly win the latter two regardless.

We also were missing Morsell against UCONN and Kam against Creighton, and either of them playing may have flipped those results. Except in incredibly extreme cases I'd bet the committee doesn't bother to look at which guys missed certain games.

Committee will never hold it against the winning team. Like our win vs Illinois is considered the same regardless.

If a team loses a handful of games with a stud player out, they will consider that for that team though.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2022, 12:51:15 PM
 :P
Listen to Jeff Goodman (well...maybe not, but he talks about it a lot). They beat Bucky without Johnny Davis, UConn without Adama Sanogo, and Seton Hall without Obiagu. In terms of resume luck, Providence has a horseshoe up their ass.

I will not listen to Goodman
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 26, 2022, 02:58:27 PM
:P
I will not listen to Goodman

Why not? He could play the jazz clarinet like the cat's pajamas, daddy!

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Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 27, 2022, 06:57:57 AM
ESPN BPI still has us outside the top 50. We did move from 57 with the win to 51.

SHU at 37.


Excellent formula
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 27, 2022, 07:19:36 AM
ESPN BPI still has us outside the top 50. We did move from 57 with the win to 51.

SHU at 37.


Excellent formula

I don’t even look at BPI.  Are all the ACC teams in the the top 20?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 27, 2022, 07:33:21 AM
I don’t even look at BPI.  Are all the ACC teams in the the top 20?

5 ACC in front of us.

INcluding .500 Virginia Tech. Clemson. UNC who allows like 150 pts a game.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 27, 2022, 07:34:31 AM
Really tough to move up in the NET. We stay at 31

Not hard to fall though. SHU goes from 36 to 44. No chance of that home win ever being Q1 again.

WVU also just continues to lose and lose badly. No longer Q1 and unlikely they ever get back.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 27, 2022, 07:35:45 AM
5 ACC in front of us.

INcluding .500 Virginia Tech. Clemson. UNC who allows like 150 pts a game.

So ESPN and their formula are not to be taken remotely seriously.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: CrowdOf5 on January 27, 2022, 07:41:48 AM
Really tough to move up in the NET. We stay at 31

Not hard to fall though. SHU goes from 36 to 44. No chance of that home win ever being Q1 again.

WVU also just continues to lose and lose badly. No longer Q1 and unlikely they ever get back.

Providence made a nice jump from 41 to 33. A little surprised we didn’t move up a couple spots.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on January 27, 2022, 08:03:13 AM
Oof yea really brutal night for our opponents.

Many of our key wins and losses aren’t aging too great…

- St Bonnies lost at George Mason by 9, they were favored. 11-5 now.
- WVU lost at home to Oklahoma by 10, they were favored. 13-6 now.
- Ole Miss as slight home dogs lost by 10 to Arkansas. 10-10 now.
- SIUe is 7-12 lost 4 straight
- New Hampshire is 8-7
- Northern Ill is 5-11
- Jackson St is 4-14
- K St is 10-9 with a recent blowout loss @ Baylor

Illinois, Wisconsin, and UCLA are holding their own and having good seasons.

It’s a very good thing Marquette has taken matters into its own hands, the best way to do things.
Keep that up and everything else won’t matta, but it would be nice for some of these other dudes to get they head outta their you know what
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 27, 2022, 08:06:18 AM
Providence made a nice jump from 41 to 33. A little surprised we didn’t move up a couple spots.

Keep in mind that 31 is just our NET ranking, not the actual score. No one but the keepers of the NET secret sauce know what our NET score is. So we likely did move up, but there may have been a bigger gap between us and #30 so the ranking didn't change.

We were also likely impacted by:
Xavier losing to Providence (hurts our NET twice while only helping it once, will change after Saturday)
Creighton getting blown out by crappy Butler (will eventually even out once we play Butler twice)
New Hampshire only beating #354 Maine by 12 at home
St. Bonaventure getting beat by 9 by #100 George Mason
Ole Miss getting beat by 9 at home by Arkansas
West Virginia getting beat by double digits by Oklahoma at home

Basically, besides us winning (which is by far the most important thing) every other game went against us from an NET standpoint.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Goose on January 27, 2022, 08:08:48 AM
I follow my eye test and if there are 15 teams better than us at the moment, I hope we get to face them down the road. This team can and will compete against anyone they will play the remainder of the year. I said in April, there was not a BE coach happy to see Shaka roll into MKE and they were right in not liking the hire. Pretty soon the rest of the country will see the Shaka system at work.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 27, 2022, 08:16:18 AM
I follow my eye test and if there are 15 teams better than us at the moment, I hope we get to face them down the road. This team can and will compete against anyone they will play the remainder of the year. I said in April, there was not a BE coach happy to see Shaka roll into MKE and they were right in not liking the hire. Pretty soon the rest of the country will see the Shaka system at work.

Can we play ND this year?  We would blow their doors off!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on January 27, 2022, 08:16:34 AM
Oof yea really brutal night for our opponents.

Many of our key wins and losses aren’t aging too great…

- St Bonnies lost at George Mason by 9, they were favored. 11-5 now.
- WVU lost at home to Oklahoma by 10, they were favored. 13-6 now.
- Ole Miss as slight home dogs lost by 10 to Arkansas. 10-10 now.
- SIUe is 7-12 lost 4 straight
- New Hampshire is 8-7
- Northern Ill is 5-11
- Jackson St is 4-14
- K St is 10-9 with a recent blowout loss @ Baylor

Illinois, Wisconsin, and UCLA are holding their own and having good seasons.

It’s a very good thing Marquette has taken matters into its own hands, the best way to do things.
Keep that up and everything else won’t matta, but it would be nice for some of these other dudes to get they head outta their you know what

MU is taking care of its own business right now.    Those records don't mean a think if MU continues to play well.    Other than shading of seeding.     It matters if MU is on the bubble.   
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 27, 2022, 08:37:14 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 26,2022
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
21   18   Xavier   
31   31   Marquette   
33   41   Providence   
44   36   Seton Hall   
67   50   Creighton   
91   92   St. John's
109   109   DePaul   
134   155   Butler   
202   203   Georgetown   
January 26th Team Sheets. Marquette is 32
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Carl on January 27, 2022, 02:34:56 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-power-rankings-kansas-in-top-five-ucla-back-in-top-10-providence-and-marquette-surging/

#9 in the power rankings! Let’s keep the party rolling!!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 27, 2022, 02:39:15 PM
We’re up to 17 in the RPI guys
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 28, 2022, 07:34:39 AM
For 1 day at least, we are now a Q1 oppenent no matter where a team plays us
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 28, 2022, 07:53:43 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 27,2022
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
21   21   Xavier   
30   31   Marquette   
34   33   Providence   
44   44   Seton Hall   
67   67   Creighton   
92   91   St. John's
109   109   DePaul   
133   134   Butler   
203   202   Georgetown
January 27 Teams Sheets . Marquette is 30
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Pepe Sylvia on January 28, 2022, 10:43:19 AM
Hey, top 30! just gave a lot of teams a q1 loss instead of q2 lol.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 28, 2022, 11:41:54 AM
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Predictions Update
Jan 27, 2022
•   After beating Seton Hall 73-63 yesterday, Marquette is now projected to finish the regular season 21-10 (13-7 Big East).
•   The odds that the Golden Eagles make the NCAA tournament are currently 100%.
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #39 team in the country, and the #5 team in the Big East.
•   Next game: Sat, Jan 29 at #49 Providence. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 43% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 100%   
Get Automatic NCAA Bid 6%
Projected Seed 6
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on January 28, 2022, 11:56:59 AM
I follow my eye test and if there are 15 teams better than us at the moment, I hope we get to face them down the road. This team can and will compete against anyone they will play the remainder of the year. I said in April, there was not a BE coach happy to see Shaka roll into MKE and they were right in not liking the hire. Pretty soon the rest of the country will see the Shaka system at work.

I believe this is a March run type team with the WAY they are winning right now. Defensive clamps keep getting tighter, and the offense is evolving to the point where as teams scout to take a strength away we are countering & exploiting. If we see that type of evolution continue, there is almost no limit to this team's ceiling with the pieces it has playing in unison.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: jficke13 on January 28, 2022, 12:01:49 PM
I believe this is a March run type team with the WAY they are winning right now. Defensive clamps keep getting tighter, and the offense is evolving to the point where as teams scout to take a strength away we are countering & exploiting. If we see that type of evolution continue, there is almost no limit to this team's ceiling with the pieces it has playing in unison.

If nothing else we're definitely the team that people are going to be pissed to draw.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 28, 2022, 12:19:43 PM
I believe this is a March run type team with the WAY they are winning right now. Defensive clamps keep getting tighter, and the offense is evolving to the point where as teams scout to take a strength away we are countering & exploiting. If we see that type of evolution continue, there is almost no limit to this team's ceiling with the pieces it has playing in unison.

This is a great take. The diversity in who is getting assists, who is hitting the 3, who is driving is wrecking plans of other teams. And recently, Marquette has been eviscerating the zone (which feels insanely different). Everyone on this team can play Robin on a given night to JLew--and that's hard to plan for.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2022, 08:45:27 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 28, 2022
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
21   21   Xavier   
29   30   Marquette   
31   34   Providence   
43   44   Seton Hall   
69   67   Creighton   
91   92   St. John's
109   109   DePaul
133   133   Butler   
201   203   Georgetown
January 29 Team Sheets. Marquette is 29
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets   
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 29, 2022, 10:07:01 AM
We lost another Q1 win with West Virginia's recent downturn. Not liking the chances that we get that one back. Win tomorrow and we are back up to 6. Bonnies also down to a Q3 loss again. Creighton is also trending towards a Q3 loss.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 30, 2022, 09:31:46 AM
Marquette remains at 29 in the NET
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2022, 09:46:01 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 29,2022
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
16   17   UConn   
19   21   Xavier   
29   29   Marquette   
31   31   Providence   
41   43   Seton Hall   
73   69   Creighton   
91   91   St. John's
109   109   DePaul   
131   133   Butler   
199   201   Georgetown
January 30 Team Sheets. Marquette is 29
      https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: mug644 on January 30, 2022, 09:49:33 AM
We lost another Q1 win with West Virginia's recent downturn. Not liking the chances that we get that one back. Win tomorrow and we are back up to 6. Bonnies also down to a Q3 loss again. Creighton is also trending towards a Q3 loss.

The number Q1 and Q2 wins maters less as/if our NET ranking keeps rising, right?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: cheebs09 on January 30, 2022, 10:06:21 AM
The number Q1 and Q2 wins maters less as/if our NET ranking keeps rising, right?

I think Q1/Q2 wins are probably the most important metric when it comes to tourney inclusion/seeding. Granted, if our NET keeps rising, I think that means we will be picking up more of those wins.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 30, 2022, 10:29:56 AM
CBS Top 25 and 1 has Marquette at #16
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 30, 2022, 11:04:51 AM
Kstate losing to Ole Miss was sub optimal.

We played both but the loss put Kstate on Q1 life support
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on January 30, 2022, 12:01:16 PM
The number Q1 and Q2 wins maters less as/if our NET ranking keeps rising, right?
At the end Q wins are most important.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 30, 2022, 10:14:15 PM
At the end Q wins are most important.

Unless you are Iowa apparently.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 31, 2022, 07:47:32 AM
Moved up to 28 from 29 in NET.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 31, 2022, 08:27:29 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 30, 2022
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
20   19   Xavier   
28   29   Marquette   
30   31   Providence   
42   41   Seton Hall
73   73   Creighton   
91   91   St. John's
108   109   DePaul
132   131   Butler   
199   199   Georgetown   
January 31 Team Sheets . Marquette is 28
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 31, 2022, 08:34:26 AM
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

St. Bonnie back to Q2... barely.

(https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=62385.0;attach=10253;image)
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 31, 2022, 09:10:07 AM
Losing to Providence made our win over them a Q1 win...though K-State fell to Q2 so it comes out in the wash.

We could really use WVU and Ole Miss getting hot, though I'm starting to think WVU might not make the tourney. They have lost 5 straight and kenpom has them as underdogs in their next TEN straight.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 31, 2022, 10:14:23 AM
Losing to Providence made our win over them a Q1 win...though K-State fell to Q2 so it comes out in the wash.

We could really use WVU and Ole Miss getting hot, though I'm starting to think WVU might not make the tourney. They have lost 5 straight and kenpom has them as underdogs in their next TEN straight.
Might it be the last year for Huggins? Admittedly my sample size is 1 game vs. MU, but Huggins had no energy. Time for him to ride out to join Roy, K, etc.?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 31, 2022, 11:23:13 AM
Might it be the last year for Huggins? Admittedly my sample size is 1 game vs. MU, but Huggins had no energy. Time for him to ride out to join Roy, K, etc.?

No idea, but he's 68, so probably not too much longer. That program could be in trouble if he goes. It's a Big 12 program, so they will be able to get candidates, but that's a tough place to recruit to and I'm sure the alum aspect helps Huggins. The Big 12 is getting stronger and adding programs with young, promising coaches in BYU and Cincinnati, and Houston will be another tough program, so there is more room at the bottom of the league and WVU without Huggs could easily fit in there. Before Huggs, even with Beilein's time included, they had made just 4 NCAA Tournaments in 18 years. If he goes, I could see them sliding back pretty quick.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 31, 2022, 11:29:53 AM
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Marquette Basketball
Predictions Update
Jan 31, 2022
•   After losing to Providence 65-63 yesterday, Marquette is now projected to finish the regular season 20-11 (12-8 Big East).
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #37 team in the country, and the #5 team in the Big East.
•   Next game: Wed, Feb 2 vs. #7 Villanova. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 33% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 100%   
Get Automatic NCAA Bid 6%
Projected Seed 7
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 31, 2022, 02:10:17 PM
Big East Poll Rankings January 31,2022
AP
12.Nova
15. Cooley & Company
17. U-Conn
21. X
24. MU
Coaches
12.Nova
15. Cooley& Company
17. U-Conn
23. X
24. MU
Others Receiving Votes
The Hall
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 31, 2022, 02:57:10 PM
Big East Poll Rankings January 31,2022
AP
12.Nova
15. Cooley & Company
17. U-Conn
21. X
24. MU
Coaches
12.Nova
15. Cooley& Company
17. U-Conn
23. X
24. MU
Others Receiving Votes
The Hall

Seton Hall barely hanging on in ORV goes on to lose to St John's by 21 and Marquette by 10 at home and still gets votes this week.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 31, 2022, 03:32:49 PM
Marquette is # 19 in Andy Katz’s Power 36 which came out today January 31st

19. Marquette (23): The Golden Eagles had a great chance to win at Providence. Shaka Smart has Marquette all the way in the field. What a job he has done.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on January 31, 2022, 09:01:19 PM
So Marquette starts the month with a NET of 83 after the Creighton loss and finishes at 28.

A NET gain of 55 spots. Unbelievable!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2022, 12:17:44 AM
So Marquette starts the month with a NET of 83 after the Creighton loss and finishes at 28.

A NET gain of 55 spots. Unbelievable!

Exactly as I predicted!

(Or something like that.)
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2022, 08:38:17 AM
Exactly as I predicted!

(Or something like that.)

The Nostradamus of Scoop.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on February 01, 2022, 09:02:02 AM
Sending up the bat signal for the bean counters.

It's been mentioned that Iowa's NET seems to disregard Q1, and that their margin of victory is what puts them so high. Is that the same thing for Houston, since they have as many q1 wins as my son's 4th grade basketball team?

Oh and UNC and Washington St seem high.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2022, 09:02:51 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 31, 2022
New Old
4   5   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
20   20   Xavier   
28   28   Marquette   
30   30   Providence   
43   42   Seton Hall   
73   73   Creighton   
92   91   St. John's
109   108   DePaul   
132   132   Butler   
196   199   Georgetown   
February 1 Team Sheets. Marquette is 28
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: post
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 01, 2022, 09:23:05 AM
Sending up the bat signal for the bean counters.

It's been mentioned that Iowa's NET seems to disregard Q1, and that their margin of victory is what puts them so high. Is that the same thing for Houston, since they have as many q1 wins as my son's 4th grade basketball team?

Oh and UNC and Washington St seem high.

Correct. Houston has lost both of their Q1 games (which are both Q1A games) by a combined margin of 3. Meanwhile they have three Q2A wins by an average margin of 18. They have also won 5/7 of their Q3 games by double digits with 4/5 being by 17 or more. Their average margin of victory in their 7 Q4 games is  35.7, which includes beating #228 Bryant by 67.

Essentially, Houston has kept it close in their only two meaningful games and obliterated everyone else they played. Makes for a great NET score but they are probably a little overvalued.

North Carolina, more of the same. They are 0-6 in Q1 games including some really bad blowouts. But they are 15-0 in Q2/Q3/Q4 and they won 14/15 by double digits.

Washington State is carried by by 5 Q3 wins that they won by at least 17 points and a 16 point road win over Utah. Blowing out meh but not bad teams can cover a lot of flaws....like their two Q3 losses and Q4 loss to #216 Eastern Washington. Still eyeballing their resume, they still seem a little high.

I can't see Washington State making the tourney without a lot better performance going forward. North Carolina shouldn't with 0 Q1 wins but they may get in due to soft bubble and name recognition. Houston will deservingly get a high seed but I think it will be in the 3/4 range, not 1/2.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 01, 2022, 12:30:19 PM
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 01, 2022, 12:52:16 PM
    Just updated my own S-Curve, a few thoughts on that...

  • I moved Houston up to the 3-line because their metrics are simply so good. Historically, especially when it comes to the Top-16 Reveal, the Selection Committee rewards teams that are in the top-16 of NET (usually no more than two outliers). Houston has the win profile of a team on the 7 line, but even their resume based metrics are both top-15, and they're top-5 everywhere else. They won't be a 1 and I can't see a 2 without any Q1 wins, but they'll be up there.
  • For North Carolina, I have them in with some comfort because they have nothing bad. Once you get down to the end of the bubble, everyone has pretty bad blemishes.
  • Washington State was the highest NET team that I didn't really consider. One look at their resume and it's clear it's just beating up bad teams and nothing of quality.
  • One more note, there's a lot of talk about an 8-bid Big 12. I have 8 now, but I don't see it lasting. Honestly, 6 is more likely than 8 (though I'd guess 7 make it). The problem is teams are going to lose games, and no matter how good the wins, if you only have 16-17 wins, you aren't getting in. Oklahoma will be an underdog in 7 of their remaining 9 games and likely need to go at 6-3 to feel comfortable. West Virginia is an underdog in 9 of 10 and needs to go at least 5-5 to feel comfortable. 8 bids is unlikely.

Where do you have Iowa brew? 
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 01, 2022, 01:03:53 PM
Where do you have Iowa brew?

11-seed, Last Four byes. Not enough substance at the top of the resume, though their NET is high enough that they should feel pretty secure. They would've stuck on the 10 line, maybe even moved up to a 9 if not for the Penn State loss last night. Saw that and cringed a little.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 01, 2022, 01:06:23 PM
11-seed, Last Four byes. Not enough substance at the top of the resume, though their NET is high enough that they should feel pretty secure. They would've stuck on the 10 line, maybe even moved up to a 9 if not for the Penn State loss last night. Saw that and cringed a little.

Thanks!

Sorry, I just noticed your post here: https://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2022/02/non-con-check-in.html?m=1
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 02, 2022, 07:32:37 AM
Up to 27 in NET.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 02, 2022, 08:45:29 AM
Thank you Ole Miss for winning and Iowa State for losing.

Bonnies were getting blown out at home by Davidson but they went on a run at the end to make it a respectable 5 point loss. They still dropped back to Q3 land. I don't know what happened to that team, I've watched them a couple of times since Charleston and they look nothing like the team we played.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2022, 08:47:58 AM
Marquette was their Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 02, 2022, 09:05:42 AM
I don't know what happened to that team,

See attached minutes per game.  I'm guessing they are all gassed.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 02, 2022, 09:14:56 AM
Marquette was their Super Bowl.

Hang a banner!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2022, 09:16:21 AM
Kstate needs to win tonight
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 02, 2022, 09:27:38 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 1, 2022
New Old
5   4   Villanova   
17   16   UConn   
18   20   Xavier
27   28   Marquette   
29   30   Providence   
41   43   Seton Hall   
65   73   Creighton   
96   92   St. John's
110   109   DePaul   
132   132   Butler   
203   196   Georgetown
February 2 Team Sheets . Marquette is 27
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/net-nitty-team
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 02, 2022, 09:31:19 AM
Thank you Ole Miss for winning and Iowa State for losing.

Bonnies were getting blown out at home by Davidson but they went on a run at the end to make it a respectable 5 point loss. They still dropped back to Q3 land. I don't know what happened to that team, I've watched them a couple of times since Charleston and they look nothing like the team we played.

Where is SBU19?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 02, 2022, 09:39:08 AM
Thank you Ole Miss for winning and Iowa State for losing.

Bonnies were getting blown out at home by Davidson but they went on a run at the end to make it a respectable 5 point loss. They still dropped back to Q3 land. I don't know what happened to that team, I've watched them a couple of times since Charleston and they look nothing like the team we played.

Too bad we didn't get Boise in Charleston.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on February 02, 2022, 07:06:11 PM
See attached minutes per game.  I'm guessing they are all gassed.
Woj excuse
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 02, 2022, 08:34:41 PM
Woj excuse

Wojo never played 4 guys 38 minutes a game.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 02, 2022, 10:38:57 PM
What does IL drubbing Wisco do to MU's net?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2022, 10:40:50 PM
What does IL drubbing Wisco do to MU's net?

We played both so nothing
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 02, 2022, 10:42:11 PM
What does IL drubbing Wisco do to MU's net?

Probably nothing since we played them both once. But it will help MU's resume since Illinois will improve their NET.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 02, 2022, 10:46:49 PM
Nm
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 11:37:52 PM
What does IL drubbing Wisco do to MU's net?

I enjoyed seeing Madison lose.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 02, 2022, 11:43:23 PM
If IL/WI is a NET wash for MU, what does spanking the #5 team in NET do?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PointWarrior on February 02, 2022, 11:43:43 PM
My bucky friends did not even want to acknowledge the MU sweep against Nova after their beatdown by IL.

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 02, 2022, 11:47:29 PM
I enjoyed seeing Madison lose.

+1000
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 03, 2022, 12:30:13 AM
Marquette is #25 in the NET today
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on February 03, 2022, 05:46:43 AM
What does IL drubbing Wisco do to MU's net?

It just warms the heart.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 03, 2022, 06:12:31 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 2 ,2022
New Old
7   5   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
20   18   Xavier   
25   27   Marquette   
29   29   Providence   
42   41   Seton Hall   
67   65   Creighton   
95   96   St. John's
111   110   DePaul   
127   132   Butler   
198   203   Georgetown   
February 3 Team Sheets . Marquette is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on February 03, 2022, 06:35:17 AM
Blind resume comparison. A or B?

          A      B
Q1A   2-4   3-4
Q1    2-2   4-1
Q2   3-0   2-1
Q3   5-0   3-1
Q4   4-0   4-0
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on February 03, 2022, 06:41:40 AM
From a quick glance, as of right now it looks like we have played the most Q1 games, and are tied with the most Q1 wins.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on February 03, 2022, 06:57:11 AM
From a quick glance, as of right now it looks like we have played the most Q1 games, and are tied with the most Q1 wins.

Resume would look even better if the Bonnies would have kept their heads from the a$$es
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 03, 2022, 06:57:36 AM
Blind resume comparison. A or B?

          A      B
Q1A   2-4   3-4
Q1    2-2   4-1
Q2   3-0   2-1
Q3   5-0   3-1
Q4   4-0   4-0

B!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha pretty obvious who the two teams were immediately. Wild through.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 03, 2022, 06:58:55 AM
Resume would look even better if the Bonnies would have kept their heads from the a$$es

Yeah it sucks that they basically suck now.

Top 25 team returns like everyone. A team of seniors beats a super young team on a neutral floor in November.

Very reasonable we lost it. Now its a damn Q3 game.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on February 03, 2022, 07:01:40 AM
Yeah it sucks that they basically suck now.

Top 25 team returns like everyone. A team of seniors beats a super young team on a neutral floor in November.

Very reasonable we lost it. Now its a damn Q3 game.

Same as if we'd lost to DePaul at home...
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 03, 2022, 07:06:20 AM
Biggest bummer is our win combined with Kstates win did absolutely nothing to move them off the literal Q1 bubble. They stayed right at 75.

Must of been other results of their that hurt.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 03, 2022, 07:35:17 AM
Biggest bummer is our win combined with Kstates win did absolutely nothing to move them off the literal Q1 bubble. They stayed right at 75.

Must of been other results of their that hurt.

Beating Okst at home by 3 probably hurt their NET slightly
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 03, 2022, 07:47:22 AM
Beating Okst at home by 3 probably hurt their NET slightly

Since the spread was like 2.5 and Ok state was like 60 in the NET didnt think it would. But honestly I know basically nothing about NET
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MuggsyB on February 03, 2022, 08:45:35 AM
Moved  up to #25  in the NET. 

I believe that's 7 quad 1 wins for MU

#3 SOS

*I believe ESPN had on their ticker that according to the "BPI" Nova had a 78% chance of winning last night.  Oh....okay.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 03, 2022, 08:48:10 AM
Moved  up to #25  in the NET. 

I believe that's 7 quad 1 wins for MU

#3 SOS

*I believe ESPN had on their ticker that according to the "BPI" Nova had a 78% chance of winning last night.  Oh....okay.

BPI is trash. It's a travesty that they include it on the Team Sheet over options like T-Rank or Haslametrics.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 03, 2022, 08:50:52 AM
Moved  up to #25  in the NET. 

I believe that's 7 quad 1 wins for MU

#3 SOS

*I believe ESPN had on their ticker that according to the "BPI" Nova had a 78% chance of winning last night.  Oh....okay.

ESPN BPI finally has us in the top 50!!

Checking in at 44

Thing is a joke
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Shooter McGavin on February 03, 2022, 08:56:49 AM
BPI is trash. It's a travesty that they include it on the Team Sheet over options like T-Rank or Haslametrics.

What’s MU’s BPI?  If someone already knows.  I don’t even want to give it page views.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 03, 2022, 08:59:51 AM
BPI is trash. It's a travesty that they include it on the Team Sheet over options like T-Rank or Haslametrics.

Didn't kenpom and torvik also forecast a solid Nova win?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 03, 2022, 09:04:35 AM
Didn't kenpom and torvik also forecast a solid Nova win?

I think KP projected a 3 or 4 point win for Nova
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MuggsyB on February 03, 2022, 09:16:51 AM
BPI is trash. It's a travesty that they include it on the Team Sheet over options like T-Rank or Haslametrics.

I get we wouldn't be favored but a 22% chance on our home floor Brew?  Is this a basketball metric or a clown throwing at a dart board? 
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 03, 2022, 09:19:06 AM
I think KP projected a 3 or 4 point win for Nova

That seems like a "solid" road win. But no, it's not a 78% chance like the other crazy predictor stat.

I'm just grateful that they actually decided to play the games or else we'd be 7-16.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 03, 2022, 09:45:17 AM
Didn't kenpom and torvik also forecast a solid Nova win?

Yes, and justifiably so, but BPI is terrible not because of Marquette but because it always has some inexplicable outliers. Boise State is top-40 in every other metric, but 53 in BPI. BYU is top-42 in every other metric, but 62 in BPI. Colorado State is top-50 everywhere else, #88 in BPI.

When it comes to seeding and the bubble, looking at a team's average computer ranking using the 5 metrics on the team sheet (KPI, SOR, BPI, kenpom, Sagarin) is an easy way to sort and slot teams. For Marquette, when our average in the other 4 drops from 21.5 to 26 when you include BPI, that means we potentially drop a line or two. But for a team like CSU, who drops from 43 to 52, that could very well knock them out of the tournament.

Meanwhile, ACC teams are overrated by BPI with 9 in the top-67 (Pomeroy has just 6). Virginia Tech is #26 in BPI, no better than 42 anywhere else, Clemson is #49 in BPI, no better than 64 anywhere else. I don't like that the metric created and marketed by ESPN, which has a monetary reason to favor certain leagues due to television contracts, is put on the team sheet, especially when you see suspect results like that which prop ACC teams up while dragging some mid-majors down. I would rather see Haslam or Torvik on there even though both are UW-Madison grads because their systems don't seem to have the same blatant bias.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MuggsyB on February 03, 2022, 09:54:57 AM
Yes, and justifiably so, but BPI is terrible not because of Marquette but because it always has some inexplicable outliers. Boise State is top-40 in every other metric, but 53 in BPI. BYU is top-42 in every other metric, but 62 in BPI. Colorado State is top-50 everywhere else, #88 in BPI.

When it comes to seeding and the bubble, looking at a team's average computer ranking using the 5 metrics on the team sheet (KPI, SOR, BPI, kenpom, Sagarin) is an easy way to sort and slot teams. For Marquette, when our average in the other 4 drops from 21.5 to 26 when you include BPI, that means we potentially drop a line or two. But for a team like CSU, who drops from 43 to 52, that could very well knock them out of the tournament.

Meanwhile, ACC teams are overrated by BPI with 9 in the top-67 (Pomeroy has just 6). Virginia Tech is #26 in BPI, no better than 42 anywhere else, Clemson is #49 in BPI, no better than 64 anywhere else. I don't like that the metric created and marketed by ESPN, which has a monetary reason to favor certain leagues due to television contracts, is put on the team sheet, especially when you see suspect results like that which prop ACC teams up while dragging some mid-majors down. I would rather see Haslam or Torvik on there even though both are UW-Madison grads because their systems don't seem to have the same blatant bias.

TY Brew.  In other words it's a complete clown show and should not have anything to do with the metrics that determine rankings or tournament seeding.   
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 03, 2022, 10:08:52 AM
I think KP projected a 3 or 4 point win for Nova

Close games against cupcakes, 2 one point wins, and 3 double digit loses (including the terribly aging St. Bonnie game) have ruined the prediction models.

Since Jan 1, Marquette has been playing like a top 15 team.  But the early season games still hold equal wait in computer models. That's why the betting lines have been so wonky.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 03, 2022, 10:09:21 AM
TY Brew.  In other words it's a complete clown show and should not have anything to do with the metrics that determine rankings or tournament seeding.   

Exactly. None of the metrics are completely transparent, and that's fine, but I think it's best to divorce the information on the team sheet from private media companies with clear financial interests.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 03, 2022, 11:28:00 AM
Close games against cupcakes, 2 one point wins, and 3 double digit loses (including the terribly aging St. Bonnie game) have ruined the prediction models.

Since Jan 1, Marquette has been playing like a top 15 team.  But the early season games still hold equal wait in computer models. That's why the betting lines have been so wonky.

All of this is very true. We are having a unicorn of season and it's awesome
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Pepe Sylvia on February 03, 2022, 02:20:50 PM
Yep, they were a worse team at the begining of the year and the results are just now catching up for the computers on how good the team is now.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 03, 2022, 03:08:55 PM
We are having a unicorn of season and it's awesome

I'm including Juan being in the dunk contest with the unicorn season.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 03, 2022, 04:08:34 PM
Entering box scores into www.muoverload.com I just came across a couple random stats I thought I'd share. 

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 03, 2022, 09:34:54 PM
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Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 04, 2022, 06:43:03 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 3, 2022
New Old
8   7   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
20   20   Xavier   
25   25   Marquette   
29   29   Providence
43   42   Seton Hall   
69   67   Creighton   
90   95   St. John's
108   111   DePaul   
127   127   Butler   
204   198   Georgetown
February 4 Team Sheets.Marquette is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 05, 2022, 08:33:15 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 4, 2022
New Old
8   8   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
20   20   Xavier   
25   25   Marquette   
29   29   Providence   
35   43   Seton Hall   
73   69   Creighton   
90   90   St. John's
107   108   DePaul   
127   127   Butler   
205   204   Georgetown   

February 5 Team  Sheets. Marquette is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on February 05, 2022, 03:04:32 PM
MAKE DEPAUL TOP 100 AGAIN!

Also for the love of God someone give West Virginia a win, that’s 7 losses in a row.

That Charleston Classic really becoming the gift that keeps on taking from MUs resume, woof
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 05, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
Huggy put himself out to pasture, he just didn't tell anyone
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 05, 2022, 03:15:23 PM
WVU vs ISU coming up could be first to 35 wins
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Mu8891 on February 05, 2022, 09:26:00 PM
Huggy needs to retire before he dies of a stroke or rips the scales at 400 lbs

And ... yes ... what looked like a good win v WVU is now worthless
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on February 05, 2022, 09:43:13 PM
Kansas State just won on the road at TCU.  That win the Golden Eagles had at K-State keeps getting better and better.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 06, 2022, 08:48:06 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 5,2022
New Old
6   8   Villanova   
18   17   UConn   
21   20   Xavier   
25   25   Marquette   
28   29   Providence   
35   35   Seton Hall   
74   73   Creighton   
87   90   St. John's
104   107   DePaul   
135   127   Butler   
206   205   Georgetown
February 6 Team Sheets. Marquette is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 06, 2022, 10:48:40 AM
Surprised the Xavier/DePaul result had such a minimal impact for each team. I assume it’s because it’s much more difficult to move considerably in either direction at this point in the season?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2022, 11:15:39 AM
Surprised the Xavier/DePaul result had such a minimal impact for each team. I assume it’s because it’s much more difficult to move considerably in either direction at this point in the season?

Great question. A home loss to a POS team like DePaul results in a NET loss of ... 1? Really? So we can lose at DePaul and it will barely register a ripple? (Except on Scoop, where it would be a catastrophe of epic proportions.)
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on February 06, 2022, 11:20:22 AM
Great question. A home loss to a POS team like DePaul results in a NET loss of ... 1? Really? So we can lose at DePaul and it will barely register a ripple? (Except on Scoop, where it would be a catastrophe of epic proportions.)

It always is.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: jfp61 on February 06, 2022, 11:21:30 AM
Great question. A home loss to a POS team like DePaul results in a NET loss of ... 1? Really? So we can lose at DePaul and it will barely register a ripple? (Except on Scoop, where it would be a catastrophe of epic proportions.)

My guess is there was a big points drop, but a limited ranking drop. There seems to be a points bubble in the advance metrics right around twenty. Same thing is there on KenPom.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on February 06, 2022, 11:35:58 AM
Can’t believe DePaul didn’t crack the top 100… the NET is drunk this morning
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on February 06, 2022, 11:51:30 AM
Great question. A home loss to a POS team like DePaul results in a NET loss of ... 1? Really? So we can lose at DePaul and it will barely register a ripple? (Except on Scoop, where it would be a catastrophe of epic proportions.)

DePaul really isn’t that bad. It isn’t like losing to Georgetown or even Butler.

Also, what jfp said. Probably a bigger points drop than ratings drop. In Kenpom there is a huge gap 15 and 23. It’s the same as the gap between 23 and 79

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 06, 2022, 03:32:57 PM
There's more data now.  Each individual game matters less and less. It gets very hard to move up or down the later the season gets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2022, 04:55:51 PM
OK guys, thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 07, 2022, 12:39:01 AM
Marquette stays at 25 in the NET today
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 07, 2022, 06:07:24 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 6, 2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
21   21   Xavier   
25   25   Marquette   
26   28   Providence   
35   35   Seton Hall
74   74   Creighton   
86   87   St. John's
103   104   DePaul   
135   135   Butler
211   206   Georgetown
February 7 Team Sheets . Marquette is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/net-nitty-team
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 07, 2022, 11:36:08 AM
Bracketville has us in Buffalo as a 4 playing South Dakota State, followed by 5 seed Ohio State. 1 Seed of Kansas in the San Antonio region and a possibility of meeting Bucky or Arizona in an E8 matchup to go to final four. 
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2022, 12:07:22 PM
Bracketville has us in Buffalo as a 4 playing SD state, followed by  5 seed Ohio State. 1 Seed of Kansas in the San Antonio region and a possibility of meeting Bucky or Arizona in an E8 matchup to go to final four.

I don’t know much about SD State but in the past they have been scrappy.

OSU and Kansas is a solid draw tho for those rounds
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 07, 2022, 12:11:57 PM
I don’t know much about SD State but in the past they have been scrappy.

OSU and Kansas is a solid draw tho for those rounds

Kenpom as South Dakota state as top 15 offense with a defense at 250 (79 overall team). Would be fun to see if Marquette could impose it's will on both ends of the floor in that one given the big disparity (our top 25 defense and top 60 offense)
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: fjm on February 07, 2022, 12:16:09 PM
Kenpom as South Dakota state as top 15 offense with a defense at 250 (79 overall team). Would be fun to see if Marquette could impose it's will on both ends of the floor in that one given the big disparity (our top 25 defense and top 60 offense)

We sure it’s South Dakota and not San Diego?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 07, 2022, 12:18:11 PM
We sure it’s South Dakota and not San Diego?

Yes, as I was the one that wrote the original post about Bracketville.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: fjm on February 07, 2022, 12:21:41 PM
Yes, as I was the one that wrote the original post about Bracketville.
Haha and I also didn’t look. Dummy move by me sorry. Thanks
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Badgerhater on February 07, 2022, 12:31:36 PM
Bracketville has us in Buffalo as a 4 playing South Dakota State, followed by 5 seed Ohio State. 1 Seed of Kansas in the San Antonio region and a possibility of meeting Bucky or Arizona in an E8 matchup to go to final four.

As alumni of both schools this is my worst case scenario.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 07, 2022, 12:45:07 PM
a possibility of meeting whoever beat Bucky in the first round or Arizona in an E8 matchup to go to final four.

FIFY
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PointWarrior on February 07, 2022, 01:00:53 PM
Awesome, are there like 800 games between now and tourney time that could change any of the seeds or maybe even upsets in  the tourney itself that may affect who MU plays in the E8?


Bracketville has us in Buffalo as a 4 playing South Dakota State, followed by 5 seed Ohio State. 1 Seed of Kansas in the San Antonio region and a possibility of meeting Bucky or Arizona in an E8 matchup to go to final four.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 07, 2022, 01:08:16 PM
Awesome, are there like 800 games between now and tourney time that could change any of the seeds or maybe even upsets in  the tourney itself that may affect who MU plays in the E8?

This guy is fun at parties.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on February 07, 2022, 01:09:19 PM
Awesome, are there like 800 games between now and tourney time that could change any of the seeds or maybe even upsets in  the tourney itself that may affect who MU plays in the E8?

We agree.   That can't be good.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 07, 2022, 09:31:40 PM
Big East Poll Rankings February 7, 2022
AP
11. Cooley & Company
15. Nova
18. MU
24. U Conn
25. X
Coaches
11. Cooley & Company
15. Nova
19. MU
23. U Conn
Others Receiving Votes
X, The Hall
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2022, 08:25:54 AM
 Big East NET Rankings as of  games of February 7, 2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
21   21   Xavier   
25   25   Marquette   
26   26   Providence   
35   35   Seton Hall   
75   74   Creighton   
88   86   St. John's
103   103   DePaul   
135   135   Butler   
212   211   Georgetown   

February 8 Team Sheets . Marquette is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/net-nitty-team
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 08, 2022, 04:51:22 PM
John Gasaway ESPN Insider’s opening Bubble Watch came out today. He has Villanova as the Big East’s only lock. Marquette is in the Should Be In Section along with Providence, UConn and Xavier. He has Seton Hall and Creighton in the Work To Do Section.
Marquette Golden Eagles
The coach who draws Marquette as an opponent in the NCAA tournament is going to wince when he looks at this team's numbers for defense and shooting. Oklahoma transfer Kur Kuath has blocked five or more shots in a game five times this season, and Shaka Smart's team has made 39% of its 3s in Big East play. True, the good news for our fretful opposing coach is that Marquette is notably weak on the boards at both ends of the floor. But if Justin Lewis and Kam Jones are hitting from outside, you can win the rebound battle only to lose the game. Also, that opposing coach might be bringing a No. 13 seed to the bracket: Smart's group is projected to land on the No. 4 line.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 09, 2022, 10:58:35 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 8,2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
20   21   Xavier   
24   25   Marquette   
25   26   Providence   
33   35   Seton Hall   
76   75   Creighton   
88   88   St. John's
105   103   DePaul   
132   135   Butler   
213   212   Georgetown   
February 9 Team Sheets . Marquette is 24
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/net-nitty-team
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 09, 2022, 11:04:27 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 8,2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
20   21   Xavier   
24   25   Marquette   
25   26   Providence   
33   35   Seton Hall   
76   75   Creighton   
88   88   St. John's
105   103   DePaul   
132   135   Butler   
213   212   Georgetown   
February 9 Team Sheets . Marquette is 24
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/net-nitty-team

I know there are all kinds of reasons for it, but I still had to chuckle upon seeing that our loss moved us up a spot while UConn's win only helped them stay where they were.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 09, 2022, 11:48:23 AM
I know there are all kinds of reasons for it, but I still had to chuckle upon seeing that our loss moved us up a spot while UConn's win only helped them stay where they were.

Michigan State dropped from 23 to 26 after losing to Wisconsin.  That is why Marquette and Providence both moved up 1 spot.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on February 09, 2022, 01:09:00 PM
Michigan State dropped from 23 to 26 after losing to Wisconsin.  That is why Marquette and Providence both moved up 1 spot.
Michigan St 🍦
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 09, 2022, 03:01:20 PM
I know there are all kinds of reasons for it, but I still had to chuckle upon seeing that our loss moved us up a spot while UConn's win only helped them stay where they were.
Agree had to chuckle too. Reminded me of Marquette in 2020 finishing #26 in the NET after losing most of the games down the stretch. NET Rankings as of Wednesday, March 4 2020
NET Rank   Team   Record
1   Kansas   25 – 3
2   Gonzaga   29 – 2
3   Dayton   27 – 2
4   San Diego State   27 – 1
5   Baylor   26 – 3
6   Duke   24 – 6
7   Michigan State   21 – 9
8   Louisville   24 – 6
9   BYU   23 – 7
10   Arizona   19 – 10
11   Florida State   24 – 5
12   Seton Hall   21 – 7
13   Creighton   21 – 7
14   Villanova   22 – 7
15   Ohio State   20 – 9
16   Oregon   22 – 7
17   Maryland   23 – 7
18   Houston   22 – 7
19   West Virginia   20 – 10
20   Butler   20 – 9
21   Kentucky   24 – 6
22   Texas Tech   18 – 12
23   Colorado   21 – 9
24   Michigan   18 – 11
25   Stanford   20 – 9
26   Marquette   18 – 11
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 09, 2022, 03:04:24 PM
As alumni of both schools this is my worst case scenario.
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Alumnus.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Shooter McGavin on February 09, 2022, 03:04:48 PM
The Big East was tough that year. 
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on February 09, 2022, 03:07:11 PM
Agree had to chuckle too. Reminded me of Marquette in 2020 finishing #26 in the NET after losing most of the games down the stretch. NET Rankings as of Wednesday, March 4 2020
NET Rank   Team   Record
1   Kansas   25 – 3
2   Gonzaga   29 – 2
3   Dayton   27 – 2
4   San Diego State   27 – 1
5   Baylor   26 – 3
6   Duke   24 – 6
7   Michigan State   21 – 9
8   Louisville   24 – 6
9   BYU   23 – 7
10   Arizona   19 – 10
11   Florida State   24 – 5
12   Seton Hall   21 – 7
13   Creighton   21 – 7
14   Villanova   22 – 7
15   Ohio State   20 – 9
16   Oregon   22 – 7
17   Maryland   23 – 7
18   Houston   22 – 7
19   West Virginia   20 – 10
20   Butler   20 – 9
21   Kentucky   24 – 6
22   Texas Tech   18 – 12
23   Colorado   21 – 9
24   Michigan   18 – 11
25   Stanford   20 – 9
26   Marquette   18 – 11
Another data point firmly placing MU in the tourney that year.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 09, 2022, 09:34:51 PM
Another data point firmly placing MU in the tourney that year.

This “data point” wasn’t the end of the season. We lost the next game, too - giving us 6 looses in our final 7 to finish the regular season 18-12, 8-10. A first found loss in the BE tournament (extremely likely given the way we were trending) makes us 18-13 with 7 losses in our last 8. I don’t think that places us “firmly in” but for the sake of argument let’s say we squeak in. That likely means an eve 18-14 finish, 8 losses in our last 9 and our third embarrassing tourney loss in three tries. And it would go down as Wojo’s 3rd best season out of 7. Now, that’s a data point to chew on!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: wadesworld on February 09, 2022, 10:00:30 PM
This “data point” wasn’t the end of the season. We lost the next game, too - giving us 6 looses in our final 7 to finish the regular season 18-12, 8-10. A first found loss in the BE tournament (extremely likely given the way we were trending) makes us 18-13 with 7 losses in our last 8. I don’t think that places us “firmly in” but for the sake of argument let’s say we squeak in. That likely means an eve 18-14 finish, 8 losses in our last 9 and our third embarrassing tourney loss in three tries. And it would go down as Wojo’s 3rd best season out of 7. Now, that’s a data point to chew on!

Ignore the actual data point (in 97/97 brackets, with an average seed of 8.7) and take a hypothetical two more losses!

That’s some solid data!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on February 09, 2022, 10:58:07 PM
This “data point” wasn’t the end of the season. We lost the next game, too - giving us 6 looses in our final 7 to finish the regular season 18-12, 8-10. A first found loss in the BE tournament (extremely likely given the way we were trending) makes us 18-13 with 7 losses in our last 8. I don’t think that places us “firmly in” but for the sake of argument let’s say we squeak in. That likely means an eve 18-14 finish, 8 losses in our last 9 and our third embarrassing tourney loss in three tries. And it would go down as Wojo’s 3rd best season out of 7. Now, that’s a data point to chew on!
Wojo is gone.   Shaka is better.  Holding on to anger and denying reality isn't healthy.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 09, 2022, 11:33:16 PM
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Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 10, 2022, 07:33:25 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 9,2022

6   6   Villanova   
17   18   UConn   
21   20   Xavier   
24   24   Marquette   
25   25   Providence   
33   33   Seton Hall   
76   76   Creighton   
85   88   St. John's
104   105   DePaul   
130   132   Butler
213   213  Georgetown
February 10 Team Sheets. Marquette is 24
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

   
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 10, 2022, 09:16:25 AM
Wojo is gone.   Shaka is better.  Holding on to anger and denying reality isn't healthy.

Painting phony pictures about the past isn’t healthy.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 10, 2022, 09:21:33 AM
Painting phony pictures about the past isn’t healthy.

Says the guy who assumed two additional losses to make his point.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on February 10, 2022, 09:25:15 AM
Painting phony pictures about the past isn’t healthy.

No phony pictures.   3 Tourney bids in 7 years.    Two losing seasons.    One 20 win season with no postseason.   One NIT.    Meh coach.   
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 10, 2022, 09:27:07 AM
No phony pictures.   3 Tourney bids in 7 years.    Two losing seasons.    One 20 win season with no postseason.   One NIT.    Meh coach.

Anywhere from 1 to 5 (maybe 6 with Lewis) NBA players depending how you score it.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on February 10, 2022, 09:38:00 AM
I like Shaka's style better, both on offense and defense.    I hope that MU is his forever home and that he wants to be at MU for 25 years and is successful enough that MU wants to keep him for 25 years.    I hoped the same thing for Wojo.    I hoped he would outgrow his Duke roots and adjust to the big chair.    Middling success, but ultimately a meh coach at MU.     Moved on and enjoying this season without expectations.   
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 10, 2022, 10:26:13 AM
I like Shaka's style better, both on offense and defense.    I hope that MU is his forever home and that he wants to be at MU for 25 years and is successful enough that MU wants to keep him for 25 years.    I hoped the same thing for Wojo.    I hoped he would outgrow his Duke roots and adjust to the big chair.    Middling success, but ultimately a meh coach at MU.     Moved on and enjoying this season without expectations.

Agree with most of this. However, I DO have expectations for this team now, as they've "earned" greater expectations.

I now will be quite disappointed if we don't win more than 20 games and if we don't do something in the NCAAT.

IMHO that's the "burden" of having played so much better than most of us thought they would.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 11, 2022, 08:03:42 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 10,2022
New Old
5   6   Villanova
17   17   UConn   
22   21   Xavier   
24   24   Marquette   
25   25   Providence   
34   33   Seton Hall   
77   76   Creighton   
84   85   St. John's
103   104   DePaul   
131   130   Butler   
213   213   Georgetown

February 11 Team Sheets. Marquette is 24
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 11, 2022, 10:10:07 PM
Huge win for the Bonnies

Moves them up to Q2 for now
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: EasyDuzIt on February 12, 2022, 12:07:22 AM
Anywhere from 1 to 5 (maybe 6 with Lewis) NBA players depending how you score it.

Ya, but after Matthews, Butler, and Crowder who are getting older theres not a lot of our guys in the league (Toscano,Howard) and no star power...Ellenson not turning out hurt that for Wojo to...Buzz had a very good run of getting guys in to the league..Wojo not so much but i think Shaka is going to get us back there to having a player or 2 drafted every year or 2
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: EasyDuzIt on February 12, 2022, 12:10:52 AM
Does St. Johns have an outside shot of getting in to the big dance?? big game vs UConn tmmrw and then 2 they should win...its a big if, but if they can win those 3 there siting at 16 and 10 with an 8-7 record in conference...interesting
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2022, 12:29:40 AM
Does St. Johns have an outside shot of getting in to the big dance?? big game vs UConn tmmrw and then 2 they should win...its a big if, but if they can win those 3 there siting at 16 and 10 with an 8-7 record in conference...interesting

No
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 12, 2022, 01:19:30 AM
Does St. Johns have an outside shot of getting in to the big dance?? big game vs UConn tmmrw and then 2 they should win...its a big if, but if they can win those 3 there siting at 16 and 10 with an 8-7 record in conference...interesting

St. John's is 2-9 against Q1 and Q2 opponents. And one of those wins will drop to a Q3 if MU spanks Butler tomorrow. They also have to overcome a Q4 loss and an NET in the 80s.

St. John's technically has a chance but they can afford a max of two losses before the BET...and I'm not even sure that would be enough.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2022, 08:30:41 AM
5   5   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
21   22   Xavier   
24   24   Marquette   
25   25   Providence   
34   34   Seton Hall   
76   77   Creighton   
84   84   St. John's
103   103   DePaul   
132   131   Butler   
211   213   Georgetown   

February 12Team Sheets. Marquette is 24
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 12, 2022, 09:22:53 AM
Does St. Johns have an outside shot of getting in to the big dance?? big game vs UConn tmmrw and then 2 they should win...its a big if, but if they can win those 3 there siting at 16 and 10 with an 8-7 record in conference...interesting

If they win out, yes. Their non-con was too weak to give them any leeway, especially considering how the Selection Committee typically treats bubble teams with weak non-con schedules.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 09:23:43 AM
Does St. Johns have an outside shot of getting in to the big dance?? big game vs UConn tmmrw and then 2 they should win...its a big if, but if they can win those 3 there siting at 16 and 10 with an 8-7 record in conference...interesting

Yes, tickets are readily available
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 13, 2022, 12:39:26 PM
 Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 12, 2022
New Old
6   5   Villanova   
18   17   UConn   
20   21   Xavier   
28   25   Providence   
29   24   Marquette   
33   34   Seton Hall   
71   76   Creighton
87   84   St. John's
101   103   DePaul   
123   132   Butler   
217   211   Georgetown

February 13 Team Sheets. Marquette is 24
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 13, 2022, 02:51:37 PM
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•   Next game: Wed, Feb 16 vs. #164 Georgetown. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 92% chance to win.
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Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 14, 2022, 12:00:29 AM
Marquette NET is at 30 today February 14th
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: CountryRoads on February 14, 2022, 12:22:51 AM
Marquette NET is at 30 today February 14th

About as good as you can expect from a team with 9 losses. They’ve played the toughest schedule I can remember. Not a lot of easy wins like there were in the Crean days.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 14, 2022, 07:39:44 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 13  2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
20   20   Xavier   
29   28   Providence   
30   29   Marquette   
34   33   Seton Hall   
71   71   Creighton   
87   87   St. John's
100   101   DePaul   
123   123   Butler   
218   217   Georgetown   

February 14 Team Sheets. Marquette is 30
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 14, 2022, 03:50:33 PM
 Big East Poll Rankings February 14,2022
AP
8. Cooley & Company
10. Nova
24. U-Conn
Others Receiving Votes
MU, X
Coaches
9.Cooley & Company
10. Nova
23.MU
24.U-Conn
Others Receiving Votes
X,The Hall
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 15, 2022, 08:37:00 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 14, 2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
20   20   Xavier   
30   29   Providence   
31   30   Marquette   
34   34   Seton Hall   
70   71   Creighton   
88   87   St. John's
101   100   DePaul   
121   123   Butler   
215   218   Georgetown   

February 15 Team Sheets. Marquette is 31
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 16, 2022, 07:08:24 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 15, 2022
New Old
5   6   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
20   20   Xavier   
29   31   Marquette   
31   30   Providence
33   34   Seton Hall   
69   70   Creighton   
90   88   St. John's
104   101   DePaul   
116   121   Butler   
214   215   Georgetown

February 16 Team Sheets. Marquette is 29
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 16, 2022, 08:17:52 AM
Aha!  We jumped the 'Dence!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 17, 2022, 07:31:27 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 16, 2022
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
23   20   Xavier   
30   31   Providence   
31   29   Marquette   
34   33   Seton Hall   
71   69   Creighton   
78   90   St. John's
106   104   DePaul   
119   116   Butler   
209   214   Georgetown   

February 17 Team Sheets. Marquette is 31
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 17, 2022, 08:34:11 AM
Gtwn closing the gap turned home games against us into Q2 games. Rest of the conference is pissed!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on February 17, 2022, 08:36:43 AM
Xavier losing by 13 at home to the team 90th in NET drops them only 3 spots. Lucky them.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 17, 2022, 09:02:41 AM
After all the games concluded last night, our Kenpom went from 32 -> 39, but Torvic went from 41 -> 39.  They've finally converged!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 17, 2022, 09:11:18 AM
Gtwn closing the gap turned home games against us into Q2 games. Rest of the conference is pissed!

Georgetown finding new ways to hurt the conference.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on February 17, 2022, 09:11:19 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 16, 2022
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
23   20   Xavier   
30   31   Providence   
31   29   Marquette   
34   33   Seton Hall   
71   69   Creighton   
78   90   St. John's
106   104   DePaul   
119   116   Butler   
209   214   Georgetown   

February 17 Team Sheets. Marquette is 31
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Illinois losing to Rutgers, no bueno
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 17, 2022, 09:26:09 AM
Illinois losing to Rutgers, no bueno

The RAC is back to being a house of horrors.  Only 2 losses there this year...to #315 Lafayette (??) and #91 Maryland.  But wins against #12 Purdue, #18 Iowa, #23 MSU, and #17 OSU and #31 WI, and #15 Ill (all kenpom #s)
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 17, 2022, 09:40:04 AM
The RAC is back to being a house of horrors.  Only 2 losses there this year...to #315 Lafayette (??) and #91 Maryland.  But wins against #12 Purdue, #18 Iowa, #23 MSU, and #17 OSU and #31 WI, and #15 Ill (all kenpom #s)

Yeah, there KenPom and NET numbers aren't good overall but they're 6-3 in Quad 1 games.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 17, 2022, 01:40:20 PM

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•   Next game: Sun, Feb 20 at #71 Creighton. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 49% chance to win.
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Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 18, 2022, 07:15:49 AM
 Big East NET rankings as of games of February 17,2022
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
24   23   Xavier   
30   30   Providence   
32   31   Marquette   
34   34   Seton Hall   
66   71   Creighton   
78   78   St. John's
108   106   DePaul   
118   119   Butler   
209   209   Georgetown

February 18 Team Sheets .Marquette is 32
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: IrwinFletcher on February 18, 2022, 07:40:57 AM
The RAC is back to being a house of horrors.  Only 2 losses there this year...to #315 Lafayette (??) and #91 Maryland.  But wins against #12 Purdue, #18 Iowa, #23 MSU, and #17 OSU and #31 WI, and #15 Ill (all kenpom #s)

The win vs. WI was in Madison.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Mu8891 on February 18, 2022, 07:55:03 AM
I sure hope MU ends up with better
than a seven seed.

A win this weekend would really help.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on February 18, 2022, 09:09:11 AM
I sure hope MU ends up with better
than a seven seed.

A win this weekend would really help.

I would say that Marquette has a nearly 100% chance of staying on the 6 line or better with a win this Sunday, so yea from that perspective this one is huge.

Lets not forgot that after this weekend MU has 3 home games left against the bottom half of the league- yes the game at DePaul is basically a home game.

That 2 line has some teams that Marquette just cannot beat unless it plays a perfect game and everything aligns- teams with extremely athletic lineups and a lot of quality bigs like Duke, Purdue, Baylor, Kansas/Kentucky.
Having to beat one of those to make the sweet 16 would be bad news

The 3 line gets playable with teams like Texas Tech, Tennessee, Houston. If Marquette lands in the 6 line or better the odds of a sweet 16 run become astronomically better imo, even though winning that first game is all my setting my hopes on.

I view the 4/5 basically interchangeable with regards to the competition outside of 2 factors-
1- the seeding location/protected seed and playing closer stuff
2- the historically much bigger first rd upset fodder of the 5 seeds.
That second part is matchup based and I wouldn’t be as worried this year since Marquette would be favored versus the 12, albeit by a much smaller margin than versus the 13.

Fwiw to get a 4 seed I think Marquette needs to win out in the regular season 21-9, 13-6 and maybe even avoid a first game loss in the BET
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 18, 2022, 09:46:47 AM
I would say that Marquette has a nearly 100% chance of staying on the 6 line or better with a win this Sunday, so yea from that perspective this one is huge.

Lets not forgot that after this weekend MU has 3 home games left against the bottom half of the league- yes the game at DePaul is basically a home game.

That 2 line has some teams that Marquette just cannot beat unless it plays a perfect game and everything aligns- teams with extremely athletic lineups and a lot of quality bigs like Duke, Purdue, Baylor, Kansas/Kentucky.
Having to beat one of those to make the sweet 16 would be bad news

The 3 line gets playable with teams like Texas Tech, Tennessee, Houston. If Marquette lands in the 6 line or better the odds of a sweet 16 run become astronomically better imo, even though winning that first game is all my setting my hopes on.

I view the 4/5 basically interchangeable with regards to the competition outside of 2 factors-
1- the seeding location/protected seed and playing closer stuff
2- the historically much bigger first rd upset fodder of the 5 seeds.
That second part is matchup based and I wouldn’t be as worried this year since Marquette would be favored versus the 12, albeit by a much smaller margin than versus the 13.

Fwiw to get a 4 seed I think Marquette needs to win out in the regular season 21-9, 13-6 and maybe even avoid a first game loss in the BET

I would actually love to draw Baylor and don't think Kansas would be that bad.

UK would be a goddamn nightmare. Duke similarly as bad. Purude could be exploited but ideal to avoid prior to weekend 2.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on February 18, 2022, 09:49:28 AM
Lunardi, has us as a 7 playing LUC, then Texas Tech. Sign me up.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 18, 2022, 09:55:23 AM
Lunardi, has us as a 7 playing LUC, then Texas Tech. Sign me up.

LUC is ?

Edit: never mind. Got it. Loyola Chicago.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 19, 2022, 09:21:28 AM
5   5   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
24   24   Xavier   
29   30   Providence   
32   32   Marquette   
34   34   Seton Hall   
66   66   Creighton   
68   78   St. John's
108   108   DePaul   
131   118   Butler   
207   209   Georgetown   

February  19 Team Sheets .Marquette is 32
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 21, 2022, 12:26:55 AM
Marquette’s NET is 33 Today
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 21, 2022, 08:08:12 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 20, 2022
New Old
7   7   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
25   24   Xavier   
27   27   Providence   
33   30   Marquette   
36   36   Seton Hall
62   67   Creighton   
67   66   St. John's
111   110   DePaul   
127   127   Butler   
195   196   Georgetown   

February 21 Team Sheets .Marquette is 33
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 21, 2022, 08:17:49 AM
Here's how it looked on the morning of Feb. 12:

5   Villanova   
17 UConn   
21 Xavier   
24 Marquette   
25 Providence   
34 Seton Hall   
76 Creighton   
84 St. John's
103  DePaul   
132  Butler   
211  Georgetown   

We've dropped 9 spots since then. Only Georgetown has fared worse.

Time to right the ship, gentlemen!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 21, 2022, 09:36:58 AM
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Feb 21, 2022
•   After losing to Creighton 83-82 yesterday, Marquette is now projected to finish the regular season 19-12 (11-9 Big East).
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #39 team in the country, and the #5 team in the Big East.
•   Next game: Sat, Feb 26 vs. #115 Butler. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 84% chance to win.
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Get Automatic NCAA Bid 6%
Projected Seed 8
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 21, 2022, 09:47:57 AM
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Predictions Update
Feb 21, 2022
•   After losing to Creighton 83-82 yesterday, Marquette is now projected to finish the regular season 19-12 (11-9 Big East).
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #39 team in the country, and the #5 team in the Big East.
•   Next game: Sat, Feb 26 vs. #115 Butler. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 84% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 100%   
Get Automatic NCAA Bid 6%
Projected Seed 8

Any idea as to which remaining opponent we are projected to lose to?

I'm hoping that the second Creighton loss also serves as a springboard (as did the first) for a 3-0 run plus at least one BET and one NCAAT win.

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 21, 2022, 10:39:38 AM
Any idea as to which remaining opponent we are projected to lose to?

I'm hoping that the second Creighton loss also serves as a springboard (as did the first) for a 3-0 run plus at least one BET and one NCAAT win.

There's no "projected" losses, all 3 are "projected" wins with varying confidence %s.  The least likely win is @ DePaul at 62%  Then SJU at 70% and Butler at 86%.

Of course, those are all based on how well the teams have performed over the season as a whole, not just recently.  Butler's offense has been clicking lately, DePaul has been keeping games close, and SJU has been playing much better.  So, they'll just have to play the games and sort it all out :)
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: bradforster on February 21, 2022, 11:14:20 AM
I will be pleasantly surprised if the team wins all three games.  The recent trend is a concern, at least in my opinion.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 21, 2022, 06:44:11 PM
Big East Poll Rankings as of February 21,2022
AP
8. Nova
11. Cooley & Company
21. U-Conn
Others Receiving Votes
MU,X, Creighton
Coaches
8. Nova
10. Cooley & Company
20. U-Conn
Others Receiving Votes
MU, Creighton, The Hall
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 22, 2022, 10:00:17 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 21, 2022

7   7   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
25   25   Xavier   
28   27   Providence   
32   33   Marquette   
36   36   Seton Hall   
62   62   Creighton   
66   67   St. John's
112   111   DePaul   
127   127   Butler   
195   195   Georgetown   

February 22 Team Sheets .Marquette is 32
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 23, 2022, 07:30:25 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 22, 2022
New Old
8   7   Villanova   
16   17   UConn   
25   25   Xavier   
28   28   Providence   
32   32   Marquette   
36   36   Seton Hall   
64   62   Creighton   
68   66   St. John's
112   112   DePaul   
126   127   Butler   
195   195   Georgetown   

February 23 Team Sheets .Marquette is 32
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 24, 2022, 07:57:48 AM
Marquette’s NET is 34 today
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 24, 2022, 08:25:08 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 23, 2022
New Old
8   8   Villanova   
16   16   UConn
26   25   Xavier   
28   28   Providence   
34   32   Marquette   
37   36   Seton Hall   
59   64   Creighton   
71   68   St. John's
111   112   DePaul
127   126   Butler   
195   195   Georgetown

February 24 Team Sheets .Marquette is 34
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on February 24, 2022, 09:25:29 AM
Loyola's 50 point beatdown over a 5 win team (net was 315) rocketed them up 8 spots and over us. Time for us to put a beatdown on Butler.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 25, 2022, 08:44:05 AM
 Big East NET rankings as of games of February 24,2020
New Old
8   8   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
25   26   Xavier   
28   28   Providence   
34   34   Marquette   
38   37   Seton Hall   
59   59   Creighton   
71   71   St. John's
109   111   DePaul   
127   127   Butler   
200   195   Georgetown   

February 25 Team Sheets .Marquette is 34
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 26, 2022, 09:15:50 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 25, 2022
New Old
8   8   Villanova   
16   16   UConn   
25   25   Xavier   
28   28   Providence   
34   34   Marquette
38   38   Seton Hall   
59   59   Creighton   
71   71   St. John's
109   109   DePaul   
126   127   Butler   
200   200   Georgetown   

February 26 Team Sheets .Marquette is 34
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 26, 2022, 09:23:02 AM
I will be pleasantly surprised if the team wins all three games.  The recent trend is a concern, at least in my opinion.

need to put both the butler and creighton losses to work for our last 3 games...first up, the puppy dogs
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 27, 2022, 02:32:28 AM
Marquette’s NET is 36 today
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Boston Warrior on February 27, 2022, 08:09:11 AM
Top 10 all lost last week, lots of teams passing Marquette. Seed in question? Could be 9 or 10 with mixed results
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 27, 2022, 08:18:37 AM
Top 10 all lost last week, lots of teams passing Marquette. Seed in question? Could be 9 or 10 with mixed results

Honest question- how do you come up with the 9-10 seed narrative? I have not seen any "bracketologists" projecting Marquette at 9-10. And what are your "mixed results"?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 27, 2022, 08:30:35 AM
 Big East Poll Rankings as of games of February 26,2022

New Old
7   8   Villanova   
17   16   UConn   
25   28   Providence   
32   38   Seton Hall   
35   25   Xavier   
36   34   Marquette   
67   59   Creighton   
73   71   St. John's
109   109   DePaul   
125   126   Butler   
199   200   Georgetown   

February 27 Team Sheets .Marquette is 36
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 27, 2022, 08:50:54 AM
Honest question- how do you come up with the 9-10 seed narrative? I have not seen any "bracketologists" projecting Marquette at 9-10. And what are your "mixed results"?

There are a few that have us that low, but only a few. There are 112 brackets on bracketmatrix. 2 (1.8%) have us at 10 and 6 (5.4%) have us at 9. That is more than the high end of predictions, only 1 has us as a 4 and 2 have us as a five. 15 us as an 8. The vast majority have us on between a 6/7 seed.

People make the mistake of thinking that a lot of movement happens this late in the season. It's very hard to move significantly up or down at this point.

All that being said, the four teams above us on bracketmatrix all picked up q1 wins yesterday as did Michigan State and Iowa State who were two of the lower 7 seeds on bracket matrix. The top 8 seed, Colorado St also got a Q1 win. When they update,  I expect us to lose a spot or two
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 27, 2022, 09:15:32 AM
There are a few that have us that low, but only a few. There are 112 brackets on bracketmatrix. 2 (1.8%) have us at 10 and 6 (5.4%) have us at 9. That is more than the high end of predictions, only 1 has us as a 4 and 2 have us as a five. 15 us as an 8. The vast majority have us on between a 6/7 seed.

People make the mistake of thinking that a lot of movement happens this late in the season. It's very hard to move significantly up or down at this point.

All that being said, the four teams above us on bracketmatrix all picked up q1 wins yesterday as did Michigan State and Iowa State who were two of the lower 7 seeds on bracket matrix. The top 8 seed, Colorado St also got a Q1 win. When they update,  I expect us to lose a spot or two

Thanks TAMU. Let's hope we are at least a 7 seed.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Boston Warrior on February 27, 2022, 09:18:31 AM
I hope for a 6 but we’re now 37 on net ranking, which is by itself a 10 ranking. Couple that with the results this weekend and if we have mixed results going forward. A 9 or 10 is not out of the question.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Boston Warrior on February 27, 2022, 09:22:24 AM
36 net ranking, 37 Ken Pom
Let’s say Marquette goes 1 and 2 the rest of the way
9 or 10 seed
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PointWarrior on February 27, 2022, 09:46:38 AM
crap, why stop at them falling to the 9 or 10 seed, maybe they can make it all the way to the bubble line?


36 net ranking, 37 Ken Pom
Let’s say Marquette goes 1 and 2 the rest of the way
9 or 10 seed
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 27, 2022, 09:46:56 AM
I hope for a 6 but we’re now 37 on net ranking, which is by itself a 10 ranking. Couple that with the results this weekend and if we have mixed results going forward. A 9 or 10 is not out of the question.

The NET is one tool of several.  We also have 7 Q1 wins which is better than almost all of the teams around us. No Q3 or Q4 losses either.

If the tourney started today,  a 9 or 10 seed would be out of the question. But yes if we go 0fer the rest of the way,  it is a possibility. I don't expect to go 0fer the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 27, 2022, 09:48:04 AM
X finally plummeted and we lost a Q1 win. SHU is closing in on being a Q1 win though.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 27, 2022, 10:57:30 AM
X finally plummeted and we lost a Q1 win. SHU is closing in on being a Q1 win though.

Two wins
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: romey on February 27, 2022, 11:09:33 AM
Two wins
The road win at The Hall is already a Q1 win.  But the win at Fiserv is not.   You'r right, that would be 2 Q1 wins vs them.  So a couple more wins for SH should move that into a Q1 win.  And X is close to a Q1 win.  They can win out also and perhaps move to a Q1.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 27, 2022, 02:26:58 PM
TeamRankings Logo Marquette Logo   
Marquette Basketball
Predictions Update
Feb 27, 2022
•   After beating Butler 64-56 yesterday, Marquette is now projected to finish the regular season 19-11 (11-8 Big East).
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #41 team in the country, and the #6 team in the Big East.
•   Next game: Wed, Mar 2 at #94 DePaul. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 57% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 100%
Get Automatic NCAA Bid 8%
Projected Seed 8
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 28, 2022, 12:56:40 AM
Marquette’s NET is 34 Today
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 28, 2022, 08:10:30 AM
  Big East NET rankings as of games of February 27,2022
New Old
7   7   Villanova   
17   17   U Conn
25   25   Providence   
32   32   Seton Hall   
34   36   Marquette   
36   35   Xavier   
67   67   Creighton   
75   73   St. John's
105   109   DePaul   
126   125   Butler   
197   199   Georgetown   

February 28 Team Sheets. Marquette is 34
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 28, 2022, 08:48:03 AM
TeamRankings Logo Marquette Logo   
Marquette Basketball
Predictions Update
Feb 27, 2022
•   After beating Butler 64-56 yesterday, Marquette is now projected to finish the regular season 19-11 (11-8 Big East).
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #41 team in the country, and the #6 team in the Big East.
•   Next game: Wed, Mar 2 at #94 DePaul. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 57% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 100%
Get Automatic NCAA Bid 8%
Projected Seed 8

Yuck! Sure who wouldn't like to be a 6 or 7, I'd rather be a 10 or 11 as you play a 6 or 7 anyway than a 8 or 9.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 28, 2022, 09:03:04 AM
Yuck! Sure who wouldn't like to be a 6 or 7, I'd rather be a 10 or 11 as you play a 6 or 7 anyway than a 8 or 9.

Unless we get up to a 6. It doesnt matter much.

8/9 sucks typically. But for us the second game is gonna be all about getting the right 1 or 2 seed anyways.

We could be an 8 that is assigned to 1 seed Baylor. Or a 7 with 2 seed Kentucky.

I want Baylor without hesitation.

Kentucky is the biggest nightmare for us. Unless they somehow move up to a 1(unlikely at this point) I basically wanna stay outta 7/10 to avoid that match up at all costs.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on February 28, 2022, 11:53:52 AM
Unless we get up to a 6. It doesnt matter much.

8/9 sucks typically. But for us the second game is gonna be all about getting the right 1 or 2 seed anyways.

We could be an 8 that is assigned to 1 seed Baylor. Or a 7 with 2 seed Kentucky.

I want Baylor without hesitation.

Kentucky is the biggest nightmare for us. Unless they somehow move up to a 1(unlikely at this point) I basically wanna stay outta 7/10 to avoid that match up at all costs.
We always beat Kentucky in NCAAT....
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 28, 2022, 12:02:06 PM
We went down 2 spots in the NET after winning and then up 2 spots after not playing.

We're 57% likely to beat DePaul, and probably even more likely to beat St. John's, but we're projected to only go 1-1 in those 2 games.

Can't beat this stuff for fun!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on February 28, 2022, 12:15:42 PM
We went down 2 spots in the NET after winning and then up 2 spots after not playing.

We're 57% likely to beat DePaul, and probably even more likely to beat St. John's, but we're projected to only go 1-1 in those 2 games.

Can't beat this stuff for fun!

61% vs. DePaul, 72% vs. SJU, per Kenpom.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 28, 2022, 12:35:07 PM
Big East Poll Rankings as of February 28,2022

AP
9. Cooley & Company
11.Nova
18. U Conn
Others Receiving Votes
MU
Coaches
8. Cooley & Company
11.Nova
19. U-Conn
Others Receiving Votes
MU, The Hall, Creighton
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on February 28, 2022, 01:02:50 PM
We went down 2 spots in the NET after winning and then up 2 spots after not playing.

We're 57% likely to beat DePaul, and probably even more likely to beat St. John's, but we're projected to only go 1-1 in those 2 games.

Can't beat this stuff for fun!
I think Illinois win helped
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 28, 2022, 01:23:41 PM
We went down 2 spots in the NET after winning and then up 2 spots after not playing.

Didn't beat Butler by as much as we were supposed to which is the main reason we moved down.

We moved up because Illinois got a big win over Michigan which improved our score...and also dropped Michigan from above us to below us. DePaul also beat St. John's so that improved our score because we haven't played SJU yet (will correct once we do play them).

We're 57% likely to beat DePaul, and probably even more likely to beat St. John's, but we're projected to only go 1-1 in those 2 games.

Can't beat this stuff for fun!

We're actually projected as having a 61% chance at beating DePaul and a 72% chance of beating St. John's. The reason we are projected to go 1-1 is because you don't look at every game individually, you look at all the the remaining games together. To calculate that, you multiple 61% by 72% which gives you 43.9%. So KenPom is giving us 43.9% chance to go 2-0, a 10.9% chance of going 0-2, and a 45.2% chance of going 1-1.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 28, 2022, 01:34:13 PM
Marquette is 29th in Coaches Poll and 34th in AP Poll
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 28, 2022, 01:37:14 PM
Didn't beat Butler by as much as we were supposed to which is the main reason we moved down.

We moved up because Illinois got a big win over Michigan which improved our score...and also dropped Michigan from above us to below us. DePaul also beat St. John's so that improved our score because we haven't played SJU yet (will correct once we do play them).

We're actually projected as having a 61% chance at beating DePaul and a 72% chance of beating St. John's. The reason we are projected to go 1-1 is because you don't look at every game individually, you look at all the the remaining games together. To calculate that, you multiple 61% by 72% which gives you 43.9%. So KenPom is giving us 43.9% chance to go 2-0, a 10.9% chance of going 0-2, and a 45.2% chance of going 1-1.

Not much though will it?

I mean we play DePaul for a second time on Wednesday then SJU on Saturday. So DePaul will still hold more weight.

By playing SJU finally all their results will finally have an actual impact though I guess.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 28, 2022, 01:39:46 PM
Unless we get up to a 6. It doesnt matter much.

8/9 sucks typically. But for us the second game is gonna be all about getting the right 1 or 2 seed anyways.

We could be an 8 that is assigned to 1 seed Baylor. Or a 7 with 2 seed Kentucky.

I want Baylor without hesitation.

Kentucky is the biggest nightmare for us. Unless they somehow move up to a 1(unlikely at this point) I basically wanna stay outta 7/10 to avoid that match up at all costs.

If you can't be a 6 the way I see it an 11 is just as good. If you win that game you play the 3. For the stat guys is there really that much of difference between the 6-11 seeds.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 28, 2022, 01:42:35 PM
If you can't be a 6 the way I see it an 11 is just as good. If you win that game you play the 3.

Yes of course.

But two things

1. your first round game is still much tougher than what youd ideally want

2. There is almost no way we end up a 11 seed. To get that we literally have to actively cheer  for the team to lose their last 3...and even that leaves a 11 seed as unlikely. I for one will not be cheering for 3 losses.

So time to play for a 6. Otherwise pray we don't get a one of the top dogs with dominate bigs.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Viper on February 28, 2022, 02:05:54 PM
We went down 2 spots in the NET after winning and then up 2 spots after not playing.

We're 57% likely to beat DePaul, and probably even more likely to beat St. John's, but we're projected to only go 1-1 in those 2 games.

Can't beat this stuff for fun!
if DeP beats us by double-figures, I won’t be surprised. Hopefully the ‘home’ crowd helps.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on February 28, 2022, 02:23:54 PM
Didn't beat Butler by as much as we were supposed to which is the main reason we moved down.
The spread was 8.  MU won by 8.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteDano on February 28, 2022, 02:38:19 PM
The spread was 8.  MU won by 8.

That was the betting line.  However if you look at the current Sagarin numbers (albeit this is now post game) we should have won by 11.5.  Not sure if the other metrics also expected a larger win but I would not be surprised.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 28, 2022, 02:40:05 PM
The spread was 8.  MU won by 8.

Pomeroy / Torvic expected a 11/10.8 point spread.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on February 28, 2022, 02:51:27 PM
I guess MU should have started playing defense sooner.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on February 28, 2022, 03:26:53 PM
if DeP beats us by double-figures, I won’t be surprised. Hopefully the ‘home’ crowd helps.

I think MU matches up pretty well with DePaul. They will kill us on the boards, but other than that we should have the advantages. They don't play defense well and on offense they are very ISO heavy. The way to beat MU seems to be attack our aggressive closeouts and rotate the ball, forcing MU to scramble. DePaul doesn't do a lot of that.

Most importantly, they don't defend the pick and roll very well.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Goose on February 28, 2022, 05:01:05 PM
Truthfully, I cannot believe all of the comments about being worried about the DePaul game. Sure, you can lose any game that you play, but I think both sides of shown a body of work this season and I like ours better.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 28, 2022, 05:16:13 PM
Truthfully, I cannot believe all of the comments about being worried about the DePaul game. Sure, you can lose any game that you play, but I think both sides of shown a body of work this season and I like ours better.


Especially since we will have the home crowd…
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PointWarrior on February 28, 2022, 05:55:37 PM
Goose - the COLE is still strong in some. 


Truthfully, I cannot believe all of the comments about being worried about the DePaul game. Sure, you can lose any game that you play, but I think both sides of shown a body of work this season and I like ours better.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 28, 2022, 06:08:58 PM
Goose - the COLE is still strong in some.

Like this guy?

Savor the Butler win - the way they are playing, it may be the last win of this season.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: fjm on February 28, 2022, 06:12:07 PM
Like this guy?

Uh ooooh. Receipts.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: romey on February 28, 2022, 06:22:27 PM
A win at DePaul and at home vs. StJ would be quad 2 wins for us based on the NET Rankings today.  Then if Seton Hall can win big vs. GTown and beat Creighton on the road, then our home victory against the Hall earlier in the year should become a Quad 1.  SH is a 32 NET rank now and home wins vs. 30 NET rank or better are Quad 1's.  So before the BET we can pick up 2 quad 2 wins and a quad 1.  Of course, the Creighton away loss could drop for a Quad 1 to a 2, so....
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PointWarrior on February 28, 2022, 08:16:12 PM
That's not COLE...  I have much higher expectations than how they are current playing. They have been playing like crap for long stretches, and they may not win again this year unless they improve.  I expect them to improve.


Like this guy?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on February 28, 2022, 08:18:19 PM
Got our NCAA ticket email today ordered tickets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: fjm on February 28, 2022, 09:20:41 PM
That's not COLE...  I have much higher expectations than how they are current playing. They have been playing like crap for long stretches, and they may not win again this year unless they improve.  I expect them to improve.

Sounds like COLE to me. Welcome to the COLE club dude!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 28, 2022, 10:57:21 PM
Truthfully, I cannot believe all of the comments about being worried about the DePaul game. Sure, you can lose any game that you play, but I think both sides of shown a body of work this season and I like ours better.
Goose - the COLE is still strong in some.

It's not just COLE. We have some folks here who don't like Shaka, who are purely fair-weather fans, or who are just chronic Eeyores. Sad that some can't enjoy a team and/or a season.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 01, 2022, 08:08:55 AM
Big East NET ranking as as of games of February 28,2022
New Old
7   7   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
25   25   Providence   
32   32   Seton Hall   
34   34   Marquette
35   36   Xavier   
67   67   Creighton   
75   75   St. John's
105   105   DePaul   
126   126   Butler   
197   197   Georgetown

March 1 Team Sheets. Marquette is 34
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on March 01, 2022, 11:55:49 AM
That's not COLE...  I have much higher expectations than how they are current playing. They have been playing like crap for long stretches, and they may not win again this year unless they improve.  I expect them to improve.
So fermented COLEslaw?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 02, 2022, 09:48:13 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 1, 2022
New Old
7   7   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
25   25   Providence
33   32   Seton Hall   
34   34   Marquette   
36   35   Xavier   
66   67   Creighton   
74   75   St. John's
105   105   DePaul   
125   126   Butler   
194   197   Georgetown

March 2 Team Sheets. Marquette is 34
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 03, 2022, 02:43:50 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 2, 2022
New Old
7   7   Villanova   
18   17   UConn   
24   25   Providence   
34   33   Seton Hall   
38   34   Marquette   
39   36   Xavier   
62   66   Creighton   
73   74   St. John's
100   105   DePaul   
125   125   Butler   
192   194   Georgetown   

March 3 Team Sheets. Marquette is 38
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on March 04, 2022, 06:23:36 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 2, 2022
New Old
7   7   Villanova   
18   17   UConn   
24   25   Providence   
34   33   Seton Hall   
38   34   Marquette   
39   36   Xavier   
62   66   Creighton   
73   74   St. John's
100   105   DePaul   
125   125   Butler   
192   194   Georgetown   

March 3 Team Sheets. Marquette is 38
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
Arby's
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 04, 2022, 12:01:02 PM
7   7   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
24   24   Providence   
33   34   Seton Hall   
36   38   Marquette   
37   39   Xavier   
60   62   Creighton   
72   73   St. John's
102   100   DePaul   
125   125   Butler   
193   192   Georgetown   

March 4 Team Sheets. Marquette is 36
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets


Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 05, 2022, 08:31:42 AM

7   7   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
24   24   Providence   
33   33   Seton Hall
36   36   Marquette   
37   37   Xavier
62   60   Creighton   
72   72   St. John's
102   102   DePaul
125   125   Butler   
193   193   Georgetown

March 5 Team Sheets. Marquette is 36
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets


Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: We R Final Four on March 05, 2022, 08:34:03 AM
7   7   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
24   24   Providence   
33   33   Seton Hall
36   36   Marquette   
37   37   Xavier
62   60   Creighton   
72   72   St. John's
102   102   DePaul
125   125   Butler   
193   193   Georgetown

March 5 Team Sheets. Marquette is 36
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
It’s pretty wild that Creighton may finish in 3rd place today when you look at those numbers.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2022, 09:10:44 AM
It’s pretty wild that Creighton may finish in 3rd place today when you look at those numbers.

I honestly might give McDermott BE COY
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on March 05, 2022, 12:39:13 PM
I honestly might give McDermott BE COY
He owns every BE coach?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: bradforster on March 05, 2022, 12:46:04 PM
Nova is doing what superior programs do this time of year - comprehensively dominating bad competition.  This is exactly what Nova would have done at DePaul on Wednesday night.  I would be thrilled beyond belief if Shaka could turn MU into the next Villanova!  We have just as many resources.  Why not?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: wadesworld on March 05, 2022, 12:47:00 PM
Nova is doing what superior programs do this time of year - comprehensively dominating bad competition.  This is exactly what Nova would have done at DePaul on Wednesday night.  I would be thrilled beyond belief if Shaka could turn MU into the next Villanova!  We have just as many resources.  Why not?

Lol come on.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: cheebs09 on March 05, 2022, 12:55:06 PM
Nova is doing what superior programs do this time of year - comprehensively dominating bad competition.  This is exactly what Nova would have done at DePaul on Wednesday night.  I would be thrilled beyond belief if Shaka could turn MU into the next Villanova!  We have just as many resources.  Why not?

I’m willing to give Shaka more than one year to get to that point.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on March 05, 2022, 01:01:01 PM
I’m willing to give Shaka more than one year to get to that point.
No, NC or bust and bring next guy in.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2022, 01:25:57 PM
No, NC or bust and bring next guy in.

Agree with this analysis
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 05, 2022, 02:07:39 PM
No, NC or bust and bring next guy in.

COLE otherwise, yo!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on March 05, 2022, 02:11:11 PM
COLE otherwise, yo!
You know it!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 05, 2022, 03:44:45 PM
 Nova decisively routing Butler on the road.

High quality road win for The Hall against Creighton

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 06, 2022, 06:30:19 AM
Marquette’s NET is 37 Today
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on March 06, 2022, 07:17:10 AM
Marquette’s NET is 37 Today
Xavier passes us in NET. Moral or the story, its better to beat a horrible team by 22, than beat a decent team by 8. Oh, and for those smarter than me (which is most), can you explain how Va Tech is higher than us in the NET?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 06, 2022, 07:26:06 AM
Xavier passes us in NET. Moral or the story, its better to beat a horrible team by 22, than beat a decent team by 8. Oh, and for those smarter than me (which is most), can you explain how Va Tech is higher than us in the NET?

Your first sentence answers your question.  VT blew out their cupcakes by 30 to 40 each. Plus all their losses but one have been by reasonable margins
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on March 06, 2022, 07:57:57 AM
Your first sentence answers your question.  VT blew out their cupcakes by 30 to 40 each. Plus all their losses but one have been by reasonable margins
Thanks. That might be just me, but I think blowing out cupcakes does not indicate who is good and who is not.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 06, 2022, 08:11:12 AM
Thanks. That might be just me, but I think blowing out cupcakes does not indicate who is good and who is not.

It doesn't,  that's why there's a committee and why VT will be seeded below us (assuming they don't do something amazing in the acc tournament). It's also why I think we end up seeded as a 7. We got our NET without blowing out 6 cupcakes and I think that helps our cause
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Goose on March 06, 2022, 08:18:52 AM
I think we end up a 7 as well.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 06, 2022, 08:22:21 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 5 , 2022
New Old
6   7   Villanova   
19   18   UConn   
26   24   Providence   
31   33   Seton Hall   
35   37   Xavier   
37   36   Marquette   
65   62   Creighton   
73   72   St. John's
101   102   DePaul   
128   125   Butler   
197   193   Georgetown

March 6 Team Sheets. Marquette is 37
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets


Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on March 06, 2022, 09:42:14 AM
Thanks. That might be just me, but I think blowing out cupcakes does not indicate who is good and who is not.

You'll find common cause with Badger fans. But personally, I think letting sub-150 Georgia Tech, Nicholls, and Illinois State stay within 4 points says a lot about team quality, or rather lack thereof, as well.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2022, 09:43:04 AM
You'll find common cause with Badger fans. But personally, I think letting sub-150 Georgia Tech, Nicholls, and Illinois State stay within 4 points says a lot about team quality, or rather lack thereof, as well.

Great teams run up the score
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Newsdreams on March 06, 2022, 10:05:19 AM
Thanks. That might be just me, but I think blowing out cupcakes does not indicate who is good and who is not.
It is well known that the NET takes into account winning and losing margins, part of the whole equation, plus how those cupcakes do during the season also part of the equation. Whether you like it or not it is what it is.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: The Equalizer on March 06, 2022, 10:12:31 AM
It is well known that the NET takes into account winning and losing margins, part of the whole equation, plus how those cupcakes do during the season also part of the equation. Whether you like it or not it is what it is.

Does it?  According to this article, the NCAA dropped winning margin in 2020.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-simplify-formula-for-college-basketballs-net-ratings/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-simplify-formula-for-college-basketballs-net-ratings/)

"Winning percentage, adjusted winning percentage and scoring margin will no longer be components in the NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET) used to judge Division I basketball teams, the NCAA announced Monday. "
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Jay Bee on March 06, 2022, 10:14:15 AM
Does it?  According to this article, the NCAA dropped winning margin in 2020.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-simplify-formula-for-college-basketballs-net-ratings/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-simplify-formula-for-college-basketballs-net-ratings/)

"Winning percentage, adjusted winning percentage and scoring margin will no longer be components in the NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET) used to judge Division I basketball teams, the NCAA announced Monday. "

It’s in the adjusted eff margin. The scoring margin that went away had a cap on it
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 06, 2022, 10:38:30 AM
Does DePaul have a shot at the NIT?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 06, 2022, 12:10:10 PM
Does DePaul have a shot at the NIT?
Not sure but the announcers on the FOX UCONN DePaul said DePaul a shot at the NIT
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 06, 2022, 12:14:32 PM
TeamRankings Logo Marquette Logo   Marquette Basketball
Predictions Update
Mar 6, 2022
•   Marquette finished the regular season yesterday by beating St Johns 85-77.
•     We currently rank Marquette as the #41 team in the country, and the #6 team in the Big East.
Regular Season Final Report
Final Overall Record   19-11
Final Big East Record   11-8
Predictive Rank #41
Big East Tournament Projections
Odds For Marquette To Reach Round
Quarter   100.0%
Semi   58.7%
Championship   28.2%
Winner   9.0%
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 100%   
Get Automatic NCAA Bid 9%
Projected Seed 8
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 06, 2022, 03:58:18 PM
Does it?  According to this article, the NCAA dropped winning margin in 2020.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-simplify-formula-for-college-basketballs-net-ratings/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-simplify-formula-for-college-basketballs-net-ratings/)

"Winning percentage, adjusted winning percentage and scoring margin will no longer be components in the NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET) used to judge Division I basketball teams, the NCAA announced Monday. "

Yes,  that's gone. But the NET is mostly based on adj efficiency margin.  It's not a 1 to 1 comparison but in general,  the larger the scoring margin,  the larger the adj efficiency margin. So teams are rewarded for running up the score on cupcakes.

Brew is correct though,  if you can only beat your cupcakes by five, that shouldn't be counted the same as someone who beats the same cupcakes by 40. But IMHO there's too much value given in blowout wins over cupcakes
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 07, 2022, 07:19:59 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 6, 2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
18   19   UConn   
26   26   Providence   
32   31   Seton Hall   
36   35   Xavier   
38   37   Marquette   
66   65   Creighton   
73   73   St. John's
101   101   DePaul   
129   128   Butler   
198   197   Georgetown   

March 7 Team Sheets. Marquette is 38
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets


Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: NCMUFan on March 07, 2022, 08:27:01 AM
From the net rankings, it appears Marquette is really significantly better than Creighton and gets the win on Thursday.
I feel it is a good matchup for Marquette.  Hopefully we come out as a focused group on a mission.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on March 07, 2022, 08:33:57 AM
Yes,  that's gone. But the NET is mostly based on adj efficiency margin.  It's not a 1 to 1 comparison but in general,  the larger the scoring margin,  the larger the adj efficiency margin. So teams are rewarded for running up the score on cupcakes.

Brew is correct though,  if you can only beat your cupcakes by five, that shouldn't be counted the same as someone who beats the same cupcakes by 40. But IMHO there's too much value given in blowout wins over cupcakes

There are fixes they could go with. Make the model regressive, so that your efficiency margins have less impact the wider they get. Beating a team by 10 is good, beating a team by 20 is better, beating a team by 30+ is best, but the difference between 10-20 and 20-30 are not the same, and a regressive model would address that.

Or they could use a formula like analytically final, which Haslametrics uses. Once the margin gets so big that there simply isn't enough time for the other team to come back, his model no longer takes that data into account. That would eliminate a lot of the garbage time comeback or running up the score volume.

They could also use game control, which determines how thoroughly a team is in control, and compare that to strength of schedule. So if you lead by 15+ the entire way and weather a late comeback to win by 9, it will be viewed more favorably than if you lead by 3-5 the entire way but score 10 points from the line in the last minute to win by 15.

There are a lot of possible solutions, but I will stress that NET is still primarily a sorting tool and not the be-all end-all of selection (which is why Virginia Tech needs an autobid to get in) and it's still way better than RPI.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on March 07, 2022, 11:47:47 AM
I just like shaking my fist at the clouds. We are idle: we drop 1 spot. Madison loses at home to a pathetic Nebraska team, they drop 1 spot. The NCAA Net is mad at us for Al turning down an NCAA bid.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 07, 2022, 02:12:56 PM
Big East Poll Rankings  March 7,2022
AP
8.Nova
11. Cooley & Company
20. U-Conn
Others Receiving Votes
The Hall
Coaches
8.Nova
10.Cooley& Company
20. U-Conn
Others Receiving Votes
The Hall, MU, Creighton
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 07, 2022, 02:33:23 PM
Marquette is 4-2 combined against Providence Villanova Illinois and UW. Marquette is 4-2 against the leaders of the Big East and Big Ten.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: NCMUFan on March 07, 2022, 02:38:15 PM
That was then.  It all depends on how we play now. 
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: willie warrior on March 07, 2022, 04:45:41 PM
Big East Poll Rankings  March 7,2022
AP
8.Nova
11. Cooley & Company
20. U-Conn
Others Receiving Votes
The Hall
Coaches
8.Nova
10.Cooley& Company
20. U-Conn
Others Receiving Votes
The Hall, MU, Creighton
Huge mistake by those voters. We are now ready to roll----iiiitttts tourney time.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Slim on March 07, 2022, 04:47:12 PM
NET - the enemy of the walk-on
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 08, 2022, 07:57:08 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 7, 2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
19   18   UConn   
26   26   Providence   
32   32   Seton Hall   
36   36   Xavier   
38   38   Marquette   
66   66   Creighton   
72   73   St. John's
101   101   DePaul
129   129   Butler   
199   198   Georgetown   

March  8 Team Sheets. Marquette is 38
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2022, 08:12:43 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 8, 2022
New Old
 6   6   Villanova   
18   19   UConn
26    26    Providence   
32   32   Seton Hall   
36   36   Xavier   
38   38   Marquette   
66   66   Creighton   
72   72   St. John's
101   101   DePaul   
128   129   Butler   
198   199   Georgetown   

March  9 Team Sheets. Marquette is 38
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: cheebs09 on March 09, 2022, 08:23:41 AM
I believe Butler has to stay under 135for us to avoid a Q3 loss. So hopefully they can lose efficiently or get an efficient win or two in the BET.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on March 09, 2022, 08:26:42 AM
I believe Butler has to stay under 135for us to avoid a Q3 loss. So hopefully they can lose efficiently or get an efficient win or two in the BET.

This is correct, and it might make a difference. For the most part, the top-16 are set pretty early. They might move teams a little bit, but because the bracket will hinge on where those teams go, that's one of the first steps. The Selection Committee will also have a good idea who who is getting bids at the bubble. That will be mostly today and tomorrow. The biggest place for movement is in the 6-10 range, where we squarely sit. Keeping no bad losses and adding a quality win or two (Creighton and PC/X would be added to our Q1+2 total) wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on March 09, 2022, 08:29:51 AM
This is correct, and it might make a difference. For the most part, the top-16 are set pretty early. They might move teams a little bit, but because the bracket will hinge on where those teams go, that's one of the first steps. The Selection Committee will also have a good idea who who is getting bids at the bubble. That will be mostly today and tomorrow. The biggest place for movement is in the 6-10 range, where we squarely sit. Keeping no bad losses and adding a quality win or two (Creighton and PC/X would be added to our Q1+2 total) wouldn't hurt.

Nice to see you getting to work early this morning Brew, keep it up until Sunday’s finish line!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: The Thing on March 09, 2022, 09:42:30 AM
Nice to see you getting to work early this morning Brew, keep it up until Sunday’s finish line!

I’m thinking Brew’s finish line extends well past Sunday.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 10, 2022, 09:13:00 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 9,2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
26   26   Providence   
34   32   Seton Hall   
37   38   Marquette   
40   36   Xavier   
66   66   Creighton   
67   72   St. John's
102   101   DePaul   
120   128   Butler   
193   198   Georgetown

March  10 Team Sheets. Marquette is 37
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets





Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 11, 2022, 10:23:57 AM
 Big East NET rankings as of games of March 10, 2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
17   18   UConn   
26   26   Providence   
36   34   Seton Hall   
40   40   Xavier   
42   37   Marquette   
64   66   Creighton
66   67   St. John's
103   102   DePaul   
120   120   Butler   
193   193   Georgetown   

March  11 Team Sheets. Marquette is 42
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 11, 2022, 10:28:23 AM
TeamRankings Logo Marquette Logo   
Marquette Basketball
Predictions Update
Mar 11, 2022
•   Marquette has been eliminated from the Big East tournament due to their 74-63 loss to Creighton.
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #44 team in the country, and the #7 team in the Big East.
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 100%   
Get Automatic NCAA Bid 0%
Projected Seed 9
•   Marquette is a lock to make the NCAA tournament.
•   We project the Golden Eagles with a 12% chance to make the Sweet Sixteen and a 1% chance to reach the Final Four.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 11, 2022, 10:30:40 AM
1% chance to reach the Final Four.

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Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PointWarrior on March 11, 2022, 05:18:06 PM
Is KenPom broken - Wisconsin is 24-6, co-big 10 champs and yet only #31 in Pomeroy?

Any previous year, he would have them in top 3 and keep them in the top 3 for the next 4 years regardless of their actual W/L...


Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 11, 2022, 05:23:01 PM
Is KenPom broken - Wisconsin is 24-6, co-big 10 champs and yet only #31 in Pomeroy?

Any previous year, he would have them in top 3 and keep them in the top 3 for the next 4 years regardless of their actual W/L...

Lack of blowout wins, playing at a faster pace than usual and playing worse defense than usual.  They’re basically the Providence of the Big 14.  Real shooting % is terrible, too, so the offensive numbers aren’t as good.  Take Davis off the team and I’m not sure they’re not on the bubble.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 12, 2022, 08:54:32 AM
 Big East NET rankings as of games of March 11, 2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
17   17   UConn
33   26   Providence   
37   36   Seton Hall   
40   40   Xavier   
41   42   Marquette   
55   64   Creighton
69   69   St. John's
103   103   DePaul   
121   120   Butler   
193   193   Georgetown

March  12 Team Sheets. Marquette is 41
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets


Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 12, 2022, 02:40:32 PM
Lack of blowout wins, playing at a faster pace than usual and playing worse defense than usual.  They’re basically the Providence of the Big 14.  Real shooting % is terrible, too, so the offensive numbers aren’t as good.  Take Davis off the team and I’m not sure they’re not on the bubble they're an NIT team.

FIFY
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 13, 2022, 03:18:15 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 12, 2022
New Old
7   6   Villanova   
16   17   UConn   
33   33   Providence   
37   37   Seton Hall   
41   40   Xavier   
43   41   Marquette   
55   55   Creighton   
69   69   St. John's
103   103   DePaul   
121   121   Butler   
194   193   Georgetown

March  13 Team Sheets. Marquette is 43
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 14, 2022, 10:52:02 AM
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Marquette Basketball
Predictions Update
Mar 14, 2022
•   The NCAA tournament bracket has been announced!
•   Marquette is the #9 seed in the East Region.
•   Heading into the tournament, we rank the Golden Eagles as the #44 team in the country.
•   Based on our power ratings, and the tournament bracket, we think Marquette has less than a 1% chance to win the NCAA tournament.
NCAA Tournament Projections
NCAA Tournament Round   Odds For Marquette To Reach Round
Round 2   38.1%
Sweet 16   11.6%
Elite 8   4.1%
Final 4   1.2%
Championship   0.3%
Winner   0.1%
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 14, 2022, 10:54:46 AM
TeamRankings Logo Marquette Logo   
Marquette Basketball
Predictions Update
Mar 14, 2022
•   The NCAA tournament bracket has been announced!
•   Marquette is the #9 seed in the East Region.
•   Heading into the tournament, we rank the Golden Eagles as the #44 team in the country.
•   Based on our power ratings, and the tournament bracket, we think Marquette has less than a 1% chance to win the NCAA tournament.
NCAA Tournament Projections
NCAA Tournament Round   Odds For Marquette To Reach Round
Round 2   38.1%
Sweet 16   11.6%
Elite 8   4.1%
Final 4   1.2%
Championship   0.3%
Winner   0.1%

So you're saying there's a chance.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on March 14, 2022, 10:55:48 AM
Winner   0.1%

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Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 14, 2022, 11:40:00 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 13, 2022
New Old
8   7   Villanova   
17   16   U Conn
32   33   Providence   
37   37   Seton Hall   
40   41   Xavier   
42   43   Marquette   
55   55   Creighton   
69   69   St. John's
102   103   DePaul   
121   121   Butler   
193   194   Georgetown

March  14 Team Sheets. Marquette is 42
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 14, 2022, 11:43:31 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 13, 2022
New Old
8   7   Villanova   
17   16   U Conn
32   33   Providence   
37   37   Seton Hall   
40   41   Xavier   
42   43   Marquette   
55   55   Creighton   
69   69   St. John's
102   103   DePaul   
121   121   Butler   
193   194   Georgetown

March  14 Team Sheets. Marquette is 42
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

This should help with our seeding
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 14, 2022, 02:21:22 PM
Big East Poll Rankings March 14, 2022
AP
6.Nova
13. Cooley & Company
21. U Conn
Others Receiving Votes
Creighton, The Hall
Coaches
5. Nova
13. Cooley & Company
21. U Conn
Others Receiving Votes
Creighton, The Hall, MU
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: bilsu on March 14, 2022, 06:12:49 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 13, 2022
New Old
8   7   Villanova   
17   16   U Conn
32   33   Providence   
37   37   Seton Hall   
40   41   Xavier   
42   43   Marquette   
55   55   Creighton   
69   69   St. John's
102   103   DePaul   
121   121   Butler   
193   194   Georgetown

March  14 Team Sheets. Marquette is 42
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets
I know the NET rankings are based on statistics, but it makes no sense we are 44 and the team that beat us three times is 55.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 14, 2022, 06:29:26 PM
I know the NET rankings are based on statistics, but it makes no sense we are 44 and the team that beat us three times is 55.

That's because we should have beaten them at least twice.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Tha Hound on March 14, 2022, 07:38:12 PM
I know the NET rankings are based on statistics, but it makes no sense we are 44 and the team that beat us three times is 55.

Have to imagine this is teal
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on March 14, 2022, 08:06:41 PM
I know the NET rankings are based on statistics, but it makes no sense we are 44 and the team that beat us three times is 55.

It makes no sense that a team we swept 8th and we are 44th.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 15, 2022, 02:35:19 PM
Big East Poll Rankings March 14, 2022
AP
6.Nova
13. Cooley & Company
21. U Conn
Others Receiving Votes
Creighton, The Hall
Coaches
5. Nova
13. Cooley & Company
21. U Conn
Others Receiving Votes
Creighton, The Hall, MU
Marquette is 36th Coaches Poll
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on March 16, 2022, 12:12:41 PM
Marquette is 36th Coaches Poll

Okay...I get this, but they aren't. There are only 25 spots. Even if we received a vote or two, that doesn't equate to placement. There are only 25 spots, not 26, or 30, or 36.

This is why. If the entire panel was four voters and their ballots look like this...

1: 23-Boise St 24-Marquette 25-Colorado St
2: 23-Texas 24-Colorado St 25-Boise State
3: 23-Boise St 24-Colorado State 25-Texas
4: 23-Colorado St 24-Texas 25-Virginia Tech

It would be easy to say "well, Marquette is ranked 26th ahead of teams like Virginia Tech because they got two votes to Va Tech's one." But if the ballot went to 26 and ballots 1, 2, and 3 all had Va Tech at 26 while Marquette didn't show up on any of them, suddenly the Hokies are ahead.

Marquette isn't 36th. They are unranked but receiving votes. Until the ballot goes to 36 teams there are not 36 positions, there are 25. If that's not enough, petition the AP and Coaches to go to 30, or 36, or 50. Until that changes, we're just another unranked team.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on April 05, 2022, 12:58:51 PM
Final Big East NET rankings as of games of April 4, 2022
New Old
6   8   Villanova   
18   17   UConn   
24   32   Providence   
37   40   Xavier   
48   37   Seton Hall   
50   42   Marquette   
51   55   Creighton   
64   69   St. John's
103   102   DePaul   
117   121   Butler   
194   193   Georgetown      
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Miss Katie’s on April 05, 2022, 01:08:55 PM
Thanks for your work on this all year!
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PBRme on April 05, 2022, 01:14:22 PM
Final Big East NET rankings as of games of April 4, 2022
New Old
6   8   Villanova   
18   17   UConn   
24   32   Providence   
37   40   Xavier   
48   37   Seton Hall   
50   42   Marquette   
51   55   Creighton   
64   69   St. John's
103   102   DePaul   
117   121   Butler   
194   193   Georgetown

So does this mean Georgetown gets relegated DOWN to the B1G and Purdue gets elevated to the Big East?
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: The Thing on April 05, 2022, 01:29:41 PM
How many out there thought we would be top 50 Net this year? I thought this would be a rebuild and we would not be in the tourney. Hope to see a step up next year.
Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on April 06, 2022, 07:38:13 AM
Big East Poll Rankings as of April 5,2022.

Coaches -Final
4. Nova
13. Cooley & Company
Others Receiving Votes:
U-Conn, Creighton , X, The Hall

AP- Final Poll was at end of regular Season


Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on April 06, 2022, 10:25:29 AM
Thanks for your work Herman.

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Title: Re: Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on April 06, 2022, 11:57:37 AM
9-9-9:

I join others in thanking you for providing this all season. Very helpful.