Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I think KP projected a 3 or 4 point win for Nova

Close games against cupcakes, 2 one point wins, and 3 double digit loses (including the terribly aging St. Bonnie game) have ruined the prediction models.

Since Jan 1, Marquette has been playing like a top 15 team.  But the early season games still hold equal wait in computer models. That's why the betting lines have been so wonky.

[brewcity77]

TY Brew.  In other words it's a complete clown show and should not have anything to do with the metrics that determine rankings or tournament seeding.   

Exactly. None of the metrics are completely transparent, and that's fine, but I think it's best to divorce the information on the team sheet from private media companies with clear financial interests.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Close games against cupcakes, 2 one point wins, and 3 double digit loses (including the terribly aging St. Bonnie game) have ruined the prediction models.

Since Jan 1, Marquette has been playing like a top 15 team.  But the early season games still hold equal wait in computer models. That's why the betting lines have been so wonky.

All of this is very true. We are having a unicorn of season and it's awesome

[Pepe Sylvia]

Yep, they were a worse team at the begining of the year and the results are just now catching up for the computers on how good the team is now.

[TallTitan34]

We are having a unicorn of season and it's awesome

I'm including Juan being in the dunk contest with the unicorn season.

[TallTitan34]

Entering box scores into www.muoverload.com I just came across a couple random stats I thought I'd share. 

• Marquette is 10-0 when making 10 three pointers or more.  They are 6-7 in games they do not.
• Yesterday's game at the Providence home game are the only games Marquette never trailed in.

[MarquetteMike1977]

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Predictions Update
Feb 3, 2022
•   After beating Villanova 83-73 yesterday, Marquette is now projected to finish the regular season 21-10 (13-7 Big East).
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #34 team in the country, and the #5 team in the Big East.
•   Next game: Tue, Feb 8 at #16 Connecticut. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 25% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 100%
Get Automatic NCAA Bid 8%
Projected Seed 6

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 3, 2022
New Old
8   7   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
20   20   Xavier   
25   25   Marquette   
29   29   Providence
43   42   Seton Hall   
69   67   Creighton   
90   95   St. John's
108   111   DePaul   
127   127   Butler   
204   198   Georgetown
February 4 Team Sheets.Marquette is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of February 4, 2022
New Old
8   8   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
20   20   Xavier   
25   25   Marquette   
29   29   Providence   
35   43   Seton Hall   
73   69   Creighton   
90   90   St. John's
107   108   DePaul   
127   127   Butler   
205   204   Georgetown   

February 5 Team  Sheets. Marquette is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

[DoctorV]

MAKE DEPAUL TOP 100 AGAIN!

Also for the love of God someone give West Virginia a win, that's 7 losses in a row.

That Charleston Classic really becoming the gift that keeps on taking from MUs resume, woof

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Huggy put himself out to pasture, he just didn't tell anyone

[PGsHeroes32]

WVU vs ISU coming up could be first to 35 wins

[Mu8891]

Huggy needs to retire before he dies of a stroke or rips the scales at 400 lbs

And ... yes ... what looked like a good win v WVU is now worthless

[GoldenEagles03]

Kansas State just won on the road at TCU.  That win the Golden Eagles had at K-State keeps getting better and better.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of February 5,2022
New Old
6   8   Villanova   
18   17   UConn   
21   20   Xavier   
25   25   Marquette   
28   29   Providence   
35   35   Seton Hall   
74   73   Creighton   
87   90   St. John's
104   107   DePaul   
135   127   Butler   
206   205   Georgetown
February 6 Team Sheets. Marquette is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Surprised the Xavier/DePaul result had such a minimal impact for each team. I assume it's because it's much more difficult to move considerably in either direction at this point in the season?

[MU82]

Surprised the Xavier/DePaul result had such a minimal impact for each team. I assume it's because it's much more difficult to move considerably in either direction at this point in the season?

Great question. A home loss to a POS team like DePaul results in a NET loss of ... 1? Really? So we can lose at DePaul and it will barely register a ripple? (Except on Scoop, where it would be a catastrophe of epic proportions.)

[tower912]

Great question. A home loss to a POS team like DePaul results in a NET loss of ... 1? Really? So we can lose at DePaul and it will barely register a ripple? (Except on Scoop, where it would be a catastrophe of epic proportions.)

It always is.

[jfp61]

Great question. A home loss to a POS team like DePaul results in a NET loss of ... 1? Really? So we can lose at DePaul and it will barely register a ripple? (Except on Scoop, where it would be a catastrophe of epic proportions.)

My guess is there was a big points drop, but a limited ranking drop. There seems to be a points bubble in the advance metrics right around twenty. Same thing is there on KenPom.

[DoctorV]

Can't believe DePaul didn't crack the top 100... the NET is drunk this morning

[BM1090]

Great question. A home loss to a POS team like DePaul results in a NET loss of ... 1? Really? So we can lose at DePaul and it will barely register a ripple? (Except on Scoop, where it would be a catastrophe of epic proportions.)

DePaul really isn't that bad. It isn't like losing to Georgetown or even Butler.

Also, what jfp said. Probably a bigger points drop than ratings drop. In Kenpom there is a huge gap 15 and 23. It's the same as the gap between 23 and 79

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

There's more data now.  Each individual game matters less and less. It gets very hard to move up or down the later the season gets

[MU82]

OK guys, thanks for the info.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Marquette stays at 25 in the NET today

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of February 6, 2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
18   18   UConn   
21   21   Xavier   
25   25   Marquette   
26   28   Providence   
35   35   Seton Hall
74   74   Creighton   
86   87   St. John's
103   104   DePaul   
135   135   Butler
211   206   Georgetown
February 7 Team Sheets . Marquette is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/net-nitty-team