Big XII and ESPN

[WhiteTrash]

It is interesting how the Big XII is claiming or has proof that ESPN is tearing apart it's conference after it did the same thing to the Big East.

I get this is all entertainment but ESPN has zero journalism integrity. I guess I'm just stating the obvious.

[Viper]

It is interesting how the Big XII is claiming or has proof that ESPN is tearing apart it's conference after it did the same thing to the Big East.

I get this is all entertainment but ESPN has zero journalism integrity. I guess I'm just stating the obvious.

Other than for F1, I no longer tune in.

[The Sultan]

It is interesting how the Big XII is claiming or has proof that ESPN is tearing apart it's conference after it did the same thing to the Big East.

I get this is all entertainment but ESPN has zero journalism integrity. I guess I'm just stating the obvious.

What does this have to do with journalism.

[WhiteTrash]

What does this have to do with journalism.

I remember when sports journalists used to be a real thing. I guess times change.

[Uncle Rico]

I remember when sports journalists used to be a real thing. I guess times change.

The E stands for entertainment

[4everwarriors]

I remember when sports journalists used to be a real thing. I guess times change.

It all changed wen Nads took his kurtain kall, aina?

[The Sultan]

I remember when sports journalists used to be a real thing. I guess times change.

What does ESPN's television rights have to do with journalism?

Hint:  It doesn't.  Completely a business decision.

[GoldenWarrior11]

ESPN wants the best games possible which are going to produce the largest viewership possible. That's ESPN's goal because that's how ESPN makes money.  Pretty simple as that.

ESPN cut the fat with the old Big East.  It absolutely and unequivocally orchestrated moves behind the scenes; but again, they aren't cherry picking favorites out of a hat - they are following viewership and brand value.  The Big 12 is simply living through the chaos we lived through a decade ago.  Ten years from now, it will be the ACC feeling the wraith from the House of Mouse.

[Herman Cain]

It makes good business sense for ESPN for the Big 12 and AAC to merge and operate under the name Big 12. AAC TV rights were acquired for peanuts by ESPN in the latest round of contract renewals . A reformulated Big 12 will have some nice media market presence .

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I remember when sports journalists used to be a real thing. I guess times change.

You know ESPN is an entertainment company,  not a journalistic entity correct? Unless you think FOX is a journalistic entity because they have some news shows on their channel.

[WhiteTrash]

You know ESPN is an entertainment company,  not a journalistic entity correct? Unless you think FOX is a journalistic entity because they have some news shows on their channel.

I never mentioned FOX, and was thinking of a time before FOX even was formed.

My main point is that ESPN is pulling the strings behind the scenes and not just reporting and showing games.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I never mentioned FOX, and was thinking of a time before FOX even was formed.

I know you didn't bring up FOX. I did. I was saying that calling ESPN a journalistic  entity is like calling FOX a journalistic entity. They aren't journalists. They are entertainers.

My main point is that ESPN is pulling the strings behind the scenes and not just reporting and showing games.

Of course they are. That's what entertainment companies do. Their job is to get as much quality programming as possible. It's beautiful capitalism.

[willie warrior]

I know you didn't bring up FOX. I did. I was saying that calling ESPN a journalistic  entity is like calling FOX a journalistic entity. They aren't journalists. They are entertainers.

Of course they are. That's what entertainment companies do. Their job is to get as much quality programming as possible. It's beautiful capitalism.

Except Espns talking heads are far from entertainers. Unless you find hypocrisy entertaining. Turned off their hogwash 2 years ago.

[Uncle Rico]

Except Espns talking heads are far from entertainers. Unless you find hypocrisy entertaining. Turned off their hogwash 2 years ago.

I'm sure they're devastated

[real chili 83]

I know you didn't bring up FOX. I did. I was saying that calling ESPN a journalistic  entity is like calling FOX a journalistic entity. They aren't journalists. They are entertainers.

Of course they are. That's what entertainment companies do. Their job is to get as much quality programming as possible. It's beautiful capitalism.

You are dead on with that.  Fox and ESPN are purely entertainment.  Same goes for CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, NY Times, etc, etc. 

[Pakuni]

I never mentioned FOX, and was thinking of a time before FOX even was formed.

My main point is that ESPN is pulling the strings behind the scenes and not just reporting and showing games.

You've created a false narrative in which ESPN exists only to report and show games, and then attacked it for not living up to that false narrative.
ESPN is a content producer, not a journalistic entity.  Some of their content is journalism, but the large majority is not 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You are dead on with that.  Fox and ESPN are purely entertainment.  Same goes for CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, NY Times, etc, etc.

You and I are not on the same page. ESPN and Fox are not journalists because journalism is only a small part of their business, not their main focus. All the others you listed are journalistic entities as it is their main focus.

[willie warrior]

I'm sure they're devastated

Probably not. But it is great that they have a stalwart like you in bed with their brand of pc bull. Spoken like a true advocate for their crock.

[Uncle Rico]

Probably not. But it is great that they have a stalwart like you in bed with their brand of pc bull. Spoken like a true advocate for their crock.

It's pretty simple to turn the channel when sports aren't on. 

[CTWarrior]

It's pretty simple to turn the channel when sports aren't on.

Exactly, I've long come to terms with the fact that I am not their target audience, despite being a devout sports fan, and I do not watch their networks unless my favorite team in whatever sport is playing on it.  I did enjoy their 30 for 30 series, though.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

You and I are not on the same page. ESPN and Fox are not journalists because journalism is only a small part of their business, not their main focus. All the others you listed are journalistic entities as it is their main focus.

Msnbc and CNN are journalistic entities?

You should do stand up comedy.

[jficke13]

Msnbc and CNN are journalistic entities?

You should do stand up comedy.

yay, discourse about who is and is not a *real* journalist. I bet this is gonna be enlightening.

[Pakuni]

yay, discourse about who is and is not a *real* journalist. I bet this is gonna be enlightening.

I'm gonna guess the "realness" of the journalism depends mostly on how much it affirms one's beliefs.

[rocky_warrior]

I'm gonna guess the "realness" of the journalism depends mostly on how much it affirms one's beliefs.

I'll go ahead an send this snowball down the cliff... By that criteria the church is a "real" journalistic entity to many.

[dgies9156]

OK gang, time for a reality check.

1) ESPN produces journalistic content. It's 30 for 30 series is pretty good, as was the Last Dance documentary on Michael Jordan and the Bulls. SportsCenter is a news program that represents news of the day in sports.

2) Having journalistic content does not make ESPN a journalistic endeavor in full. No more so than CBS, NBC and ABC are journalistic endeavors in full. None are. ESPN's game-day rights are entertainment.

3) Maybe ESPN had a behind the scenes roll, but from everything I've read, Texas particularly is pretty aggravated at the Big 12 and wants more and better revenue. From Texas' standpoint, who would you rather play every week -- Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, Florida and Georgia or Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Baylor etc. I know which one is more likely to fill Longhorn Stadium.

4) The Big East wasn't just broken up by ESPN. The original schools and subsequent add-ons that were football powers, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Cincinnati, UConn Notre Who? and Loserville, wanted a home where their football programs would be accepted, not just tolerated. The Big East would NEVER be a football conference. While a couple of these schools had notable football teams (excluding Notre Who? that was not a part of the conference in football), playing each other was not going to elevate their programs to Power 5 status. UConn came back because its football was hopeless.