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lawdog77

Quote from: Jockey on July 27, 2021, 01:10:16 PM

Biases and stereotyping also have little to do with systemic racism.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 27, 2021, 11:18:54 AM


Inherent bias and subconscious stereotyping is part of systemic racism.
You and TAMU need to figure out the definition of systemic racism.


Lighthouse 84

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on July 27, 2021, 12:20:03 PM


Still waiting for proof that I'm racist.   

For some, the "proof" is you saying you're not racist. It's actually surprising that none of the moral superiors on here has claimed this as the "proof". 
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Hards Alumni



Novak is going to have a lot of fun walking this back and promising to learn more about what systemic racism is.

JWags85

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 27, 2021, 06:27:20 PM


Novak is going to have a lot of fun walking this back and promising to learn more about what systemic racism is.

Given Novak's decade plus career in the NBA where he was very well liked and respected and generally very favorable reputation everywhere he's been professionally, I think the "Novak is a closet racist" or even "Novak doesn't think systemic racism exists" actualities are probably untrue.  This was more likely a terrible look on a dumb NIMBY sort of situation.

My friend's wife teaches in a school district that had a bruhaha over a parent complaining about racial biases in standardized testing.  The general consensus was that it was something that had merit to be examined, but the parent was obnoxious and contentious about it in a way that had many people who agreed with the overall sentiment objecting the situation as it was presented.

This sign is seemingly more mundane, but its not always black and white (no pun intended)

GB Warrior

Bucks should bring back Sterling Brown to give him a lesson that he might have missed while covering the team that included Sterling Brown.

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on July 27, 2021, 11:57:09 AM
It's public record.  No stalking involved.

rocky's edit:  what you posted is the very definition of doxxing a random internet person.  If you want to point out a post where he openly shared all this info, have at it.

10 second scoop search:

Quote from: MU82 on December 11, 2018, 11:02:32 AM
In a former life, I was a sportswriter.

Please restore my original post.

dgies9156

Quote from: real chili 83 on July 27, 2021, 11:07:35 AM
You're right, probably nothing wrong with the intent of the message. 

My guess is Novak read it differently which is his right.  My guess is that his behavior towards others that he interacts with is just fine.  That said, many (not saying you TAMU) will overreact to this.  82 has already compared him to the KKK.

IBTL.

Brother Chili:

I 100% agree with you. There is so much connotative meaning in many openness statements that 10 people from 10 perspectives can see 10 different things in what's being said.

Mr. Novak took things from his perspective, for which he has a right.

real chili 83

Quote from: dgies9156 on July 28, 2021, 07:46:05 AM
Brother Chili:

I 100% agree with you. There is so much connotative meaning in many openness statements that 10 people from 10 perspectives can see 10 different things in what's being said.

Mr. Novak took things from his perspective, for which he has a right.

DG, be prepared to be labeled a racist for your opinion by the uber woke crowd.

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: real chili 83 on July 28, 2021, 08:20:44 AM
DG, be prepared to be labeled a racist for your opinion by the uber woke crowd.

Their gender neutral bat signal must be malfunctioning.   The scolds have been quiet the last few days.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on July 28, 2021, 09:03:08 AM
Their gender neutral bat signal must be malfunctioning.   The scolds have been quiet the last few days.

Nah, the usual suspects are very offended and showing it every other post or so
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

Pakuni


real chili 83

I wonder what 82 would say about how she is dressed?

Lighten up 82.....It's a joke.   ;D

jesmu84

Quote from: real chili 83 on July 28, 2021, 09:37:15 AM
I wonder what 82 would say about how she is dressed?

Lighten up 82.....It's a joke.   ;D

The meat crowd sure does love their unprovoked personal attacks

real chili 83

Quote from: jesmu84 on July 28, 2021, 10:38:37 AM
The meat crowd sure does love their unprovoked personal attacks

Lighten up Francis.   ;D

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: jesmu84 on July 28, 2021, 10:38:37 AM
The meat crowd sure does love their unprovoked personal attacks

The beta-males do it too.  What's your point?

wadesworld

I just love the meat eaters being proactively mad online.  "Bro, you're about the labeled a racist!"

ATL MU Warrior

Quote from: BLM on July 28, 2021, 11:01:17 AM
I just love the meat eaters being proactively mad online.  "Bro, you're about the labeled a racist!"
Forever the victims...of imaginary things


vogue65

Isn't everyone a racist, meaning race consciousness?
I know black guys who I would call anti-white, or racist.
I know white guys who I would describe as anti-black, or racist.
The problem, as I see it, is with the concept of systemic.
If we don't recognise systemic racism against blacks I am left speechless.
In housing, education, health care, job opportunities, legal representation there is a systemic problem for blacks.
It is as simple as that.

I'm 77 and getting ready to check out.  It will be fixed by the next generation, or the generation after that, or the one after that.  Every generation has made progress and the best is yet to come.

Milwaukee and Wisconsin in the 60's was a far cry from what it is now.  I see that it will continue to improve with or without Mr. Novak and his like-minded friends..


lawdog77

Quote from: vogue65 on July 28, 2021, 11:53:57 AM
Isn't everyone a racist, meaning race consciousness?
I know black guys who I would call anti-white, or racist.
I know white guys who I would describe as anti-black, or racist.
The problem, as I see it, is with the concept of systemic.
If we don't recognise systemic racism against blacks I am left speechless.
In housing, education, health care, job opportunities, legal representation there is a systemic problem for blacks.
It is as simple as that.

I'm 77 and getting ready to check out.  It will be fixed by the next generation, or the generation after that, or the one after that.  Every generation has made progress and the best is yet to come.

Milwaukee and Wisconsin in the 60's was a far cry from what it is now.  I see that it will continue to improve with or without Mr. Novak and his like-minded friends..
Depends on how you define systemic racism.
If you go by NAACP President Derrick Johnson, its "systems and structures that have procedures or processes that disadvantages African Americans."

What are the systems and structures in place in healthcare, legal, housing, etc to disadvantage minorities? Are there racist people in positions of power? Of course, but actual systems and structures have been outlawed. For example, redlining in the housing industry.

Jockey

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 27, 2021, 01:36:49 PM

You and TAMU need to figure out the definition of systemic racism.

Not really.

My point (well-made or not) was that biases and stereotypes are Not the same as racism. We all have these no matter how open minded we are.

TAMU's point, I believe, is that biases and stereotypes contribute to systemic racism.

I stand by my point and fully agree with TAMU.

Jockey

Quote from: JWags85 on July 27, 2021, 07:07:41 PM
Given Novak's decade plus career in the NBA where he was very well liked and respected and generally very favorable reputation everywhere he's been professionally, I think the "Novak is a closet racist" or even "Novak doesn't think systemic racism exists" actualities are probably untrue.  This was more likely a terrible look on a dumb NIMBY sort of situation.


I think you are pretty close here. I don't see these as racist comments. Just dumb and insensitive. Go figure - a rich white guy thinking blacks haven't had it that bad. He sees things through his green colored glasses.

Jockey

Quote from: real chili 83 on July 28, 2021, 08:20:44 AM
DG, be prepared to be labeled a racist for your opinion by the uber woke crowd.

Being passive / aggressive is so cute. ::)