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MU82

Quote from: CountryRoads on January 22, 2022, 11:21:43 AM
First time I've watched a full MSU game this year. I was surprised at how much of a role player he is on that team.

It's evident that Markus and Sam really opened up a lot for him in his year at MU. Joey really couldn't get open and is pretty low usage as a result. His choice though. Seems he's on a good team that's winning.

That's the irony. Joey had to get away from The Cancer ... but it was Markus (and yes Sam) who made it possible for Joey to get shots. 

For Izzo, Joey gets hardly any shots at all. He mostly is a screen-setter and defensive rebounder. Which is fine. Every good team needs those. He had a pretty good game yesterday, and it's always fun to watch the home team get pounded in Madison.
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Billy Hoyle

Quote from: MU82 on January 22, 2022, 04:16:08 PM
That's the irony. Joey had to get away from The Cancer ... but it was Markus (and yes Sam) who made it possible for Joey to get shots. 


Maybe Joey didn't like what Markus stood for as the face of FCA?
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MU82

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 23, 2022, 08:48:50 PM
Maybe Joey didn't like what Markus stood for as the face of FCA?

Maybe. Or maybe Vanilla Soft Serve just needed his blankie.
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MuggsyB

#929
Joey with a soft lay-up miss to close the half vs Illinois.  He doesn't appear to have improved under Izzo imo.

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Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

Uncle Rico

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 25, 2022, 07:05:57 PM
Twitter tee'ing off on him again

Michigan State fans eat their own when it comes to hoops.  Tough place, man.
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MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2022, 07:14:10 PM
Michigan State fans eat their own when it comes to hoops.  Tough place, man.

Thank goodness he got away from Mean Markus so he could be beloved at MSU.

But really, I don't know what their fans are complaining about. Scored 8, had 7 boards, 0 turnovers, made a 3 ... in other words, one of his better games as a Spartan.
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PGsHeroes32

Quote from: MU82 on January 25, 2022, 09:00:46 PM
Thank goodness he got away from Mean Markus so he could be beloved at MSU.

But really, I don't know what their fans are complaining about. Scored 8, had 7 boards, 0 turnovers, made a 3 ... in other words, one of his better games as a Spartan.

Well he had 2 pts 1 rebound on 1/5 in the 1st half when these comments were made.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

MuggsyB

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Quote from: MU82 on January 25, 2022, 09:00:46 PM
Thank goodness he got away from Mean Markus so he could be beloved at MSU.

But really, I don't know what their fans are complaining about. Scored 8, had 7 boards, 0 turnovers, made a 3 ... in other words, one of his better games as a Spartan.

Yes.  This wound up being a very good game for Hauser the Younger based on his current production levels.  The kid hasn't improved much (if at all) from my observations.  It's interesting that a certain monitor (from another website) excoriated me constantly for disagreeing with him that Joey had the skills to play PG.  Yet, he has as much of a chance of playing PG as I do stopping Justin Lewis one on one. 

MU82

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 25, 2022, 09:05:07 PM
Well he had 2 pts 1 rebound on 1/5 in the 1st half when these comments were made.

So what you're saying is that in the face of criticism Vanilla Soft Serve rallied to have a productive(-ish) second half. He's da man!
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Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2022, 09:06:43 PM
It's interesting that a certain monitor (from another website) excoriated me constantly for disagreeing with him that Joey had the skills to play PG.  Yet, he has as much of a chance on playing PG as I do stopping Justin Lewis one on one.
Wow. I don't know how bad a judge of basketball talent you'd have to be to think Joey could play PG. I far less of a Joey basher that most here but that it just a ludicrous idea.

Can you see Joey attempting to bring the ball up or initiate the offense with Bryce Aiken or Posh Alexander guarding him?
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Quote from: TSmith34 on January 25, 2022, 09:23:15 PM
Wow. I don't know how bad a judge of basketball talent you'd have to be to think Joey could play PG. I far less of a Joey basher that most here but that it just a ludicrous idea.

Can you see Joey attempting to bring the ball up or initiate the offense with Bryce Aiken or Posh Alexander guarding him?

That's exactly what I was thinking after watching him play one game in a Marquette uniform.  It's very poor analysis and we heard the same idiocy about Henry Ellenson.  Because a tall guy can dribble doesn't tell you anything about whether he can play PG or even the 2 or 3.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2022, 09:29:02 PM
That's exactly what I was thinking after watching him play one game in a Marquette uniform.  It's very poor analysis and we heard the same idiocy about Henry Ellenson.  Because a tall guy can dribble doesn't tell you anything about whether he can play PG or even the 2 or 3.

Your mistake was not putting Joey in a blender
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warriorchick

Quote from: MU82 on January 25, 2022, 09:00:46 PM
Thank goodness he got away from Mean Markus so he could be beloved at MSU.

But really, I don't know what their fans are complaining about. Scored 8, had 7 boards, 0 turnovers, made a 3 ... in other words, one of his better games as a Spartan.

C'mon.  You know that in the past few years, there are posters in the game thread (we all know who they are) that have said things just as bad (and worse) about even the best players on our team.
Have some patience, FFS.

MuggsyB

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 25, 2022, 09:34:37 PM
Your mistake was not putting Joey in a blender

Perhaps.  I believe my initial retort was that Muggsy Bogues had a better chance of playing the 5.  Can you imagine Josephi Hauser trying to dribble full court vs Muggsy? 

Uncle Rico

Quote from: warriorchick on January 25, 2022, 09:41:59 PM
C'mon.  You know that in the past few years, there are posters in the game thread (we all know who they are) that have said things just as bad (and worse) about even the best players on our team.

For sure.  Still, it's pretty tame and isolated here versus social media posting of Sparty fans, for the most part.  Most of the social media "attacks" about Marquette during games largely focused on the coaches through the years
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MU82

Yeah ... even the yahoo who called Markus a "cancer" only did so here, not out in the twitterverse.

Not to excuse those who would use Scoop to attack Marquette players, of course.
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panda

Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2022, 09:29:02 PM
That's exactly what I was thinking after watching him play one game in a Marquette uniform.  It's very poor analysis and we heard the same idiocy about Henry Ellenson.  Because a tall guy can dribble doesn't tell you anything about whether he can play PG or even the 2 or 3.

He still thinks Joey could play PG. And he definitely believes Sam could play point guard. Except in that Georgetown game when we needed a PG after Markus went out in the first couple minutes and Sacar was the emergency PG for 38 minutes LOL.

MU82

Quote from: panda on January 28, 2022, 02:33:07 PM
He still thinks Joey could play PG. And he definitely believes Sam could play point guard. Except in that Georgetown game when we needed a PG after Markus went out in the first couple minutes and Sacar was the emergency PG for 38 minutes LOL.

Sam handled the basketball plenty in that game and did a good job, with only 2 turnovers to go with his 31 points. Sacar also did well, though our assist leader actually was Joey with 6 (he also had 5 turnovers in a sign of things to come).

https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2018-19/georgetown/boxscore/6130

The Markus-haters point to that game as "proof" of what Sam could have been had the selfish Markus not denied him the ball.

Of course, Sam averaged 20.4 points over the next 5 games, with Markus averaging 37 minutes and 4.4 assists. Sam didn't score as much in the 11 games after that ... because his shooting percentage plummeted from .541 to .423.

And at Virginia, with Markus long in his rear-view mirror, Sam averaged a whopping 0.6 more FGA per game than he did his junior year at Marquette. He won the exact same number of NCAA tournament games, too.
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panda

Quote from: MU82 on January 28, 2022, 02:48:37 PM
Sam handled the basketball plenty in that game and did a good job, with only 2 turnovers to go with his 31 points. Sacar also did well, though our assist leader actually was Joey with 6 (he also had 5 turnovers in a sign of things to come).

https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2018-19/georgetown/boxscore/6130

The Markus-haters point to that game as "proof" of what Sam could have been had the selfish Markus not denied him the ball.

Of course, Sam averaged 20.4 points over the next 5 games, with Markus averaging 37 minutes and 4.4 assists. Sam didn't score as much in the 11 games after that ... because his shooting percentage plummeted from .541 to .423.

And at Virginia, with Markus long in his rear-view mirror, Sam averaged a whopping 0.6 more FGA per game than he did his junior year at Marquette. He won the exact same number of NCAA tournament games, too.

Sacar handled the PG duties that game.

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