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« Reply #75 on: October 19, 2020, 12:55:26 PM »
In Wisconsin, we are not allowed to turn anyone away at the polling place.  Even if they are sick with every symptom of Covid.

That makes total sense to me. You can't have someone arbitrarily deciding if someone is sick or not. What doesn't make sense to me is not allowing polling places to require masks. There's nothing arbitrary about whether or not someone is wearing a mask.
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« Reply #76 on: October 19, 2020, 01:17:00 PM »
Both your license plate and driver's license already have expiration dates on them. And everyone can sign up for email notices.
Do you think it's a wise use of your taxpayer money to snail mail people notices of what's already in front of their eyes and notices can be sent free?
Everyone is for government efficiency and cost-cutting until they're not.


Everyone harps on the little things government spends money on - like first class postage!!!

Like they should send election notifications by bulk mail???
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« Reply #77 on: October 19, 2020, 01:48:08 PM »

Everyone harps on the little things government spends money on - like first class postage!!!

Like they should send election notifications by bulk mail???

Brother Fluff:

The issue is not the little things the government spends money on. It's the priorities on which they spend. The Illinois Secretary of State administers the records of the State of Illinois, including driver's licenses and vehicle registration. The proper administration of the voting rolls in Illinois is done at the county level.

What those who fuss about the Secretary of State are concerned about is not that the Secretary of State, by definition, is sending out voting reminders. Rather, that the Secretary of State is claiming poverty when it comes to doing his job but is spending significantly on something that is, at best, ancillary to his job.

When your State has a $146 billion public pension deficit and your public employees may lose their pensions because there is no money to pay them, then every expenditure matters. Every single one. Including the few dollars spent on get out the vote drives that's better spent by the two political parties.

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« Reply #78 on: October 19, 2020, 02:01:57 PM »

That makes total sense to me. You can't have someone arbitrarily deciding if someone is sick or not. What doesn't make sense to me is not allowing polling places to require masks. There's nothing arbitrary about whether or not someone is wearing a mask.



Agreed. Everyone should be required to wear a mask, sick or not. We are in the middle of a pandemic, for chrissakes!

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« Reply #79 on: October 19, 2020, 02:48:21 PM »
Brother Fluff:

The issue is not the little things the government spends money on. It's the priorities on which they spend. The Illinois Secretary of State administers the records of the State of Illinois, including driver's licenses and vehicle registration. The proper administration of the voting rolls in Illinois is done at the county level.

What those who fuss about the Secretary of State are concerned about is not that the Secretary of State, by definition, is sending out voting reminders. Rather, that the Secretary of State is claiming poverty when it comes to doing his job but is spending significantly on something that is, at best, ancillary to his job.

When your State has a $146 billion public pension deficit and your public employees may lose their pensions because there is no money to pay them, then every expenditure matters. Every single one. Including the few dollars spent on get out the vote drives that's better spent by the two political parties.


Yeah, I am not going to agree with this.  It's a minor expense compared to the overall problem.
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« Reply #80 on: October 19, 2020, 03:05:13 PM »

Agreed. Everyone should be required to wear a mask, sick or not. We are in the middle of a pandemic, for chrissakes!

Thankfully, masks are required at polling places in Wisconsin.

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« Reply #81 on: October 19, 2020, 03:08:29 PM »
Brother Fluff:

The issue is not the little things the government spends money on. It's the priorities on which they spend. The Illinois Secretary of State administers the records of the State of Illinois, including driver's licenses and vehicle registration. The proper administration of the voting rolls in Illinois is done at the county level.

What those who fuss about the Secretary of State are concerned about is not that the Secretary of State, by definition, is sending out voting reminders. Rather, that the Secretary of State is claiming poverty when it comes to doing his job but is spending significantly on something that is, at best, ancillary to his job.

When your State has a $146 billion public pension deficit and your public employees may lose their pensions because there is no money to pay them, then every expenditure matters. Every single one. Including the few dollars spent on get out the vote drives that's better spent by the two political parties.

First, the Secretary of State is responsible for registering the great majority of Illinois voters, so I wouldn't say voting matters are "ancillary to his job."
But second, you can't complain about these letters while also griping about the lack of license plate and driver's license renewal letters. Well, you can, but comes off as complaining for complaining's sake.


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« Reply #82 on: October 19, 2020, 03:15:33 PM »
Thankfully, masks are required at polling places in Wisconsin.

Only for those working the polls.  Not for those voting.

https://wqow.com/2020/07/31/masks-not-required-at-the-polls-on-election-day/

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« Reply #83 on: October 19, 2020, 03:30:17 PM »
Only for those working the polls.  Not for those voting.

https://wqow.com/2020/07/31/masks-not-required-at-the-polls-on-election-day/

So the rule for voting directly contradicts Ever’s mask mandate.

Now that is a legit reason to criticize Evers.

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« Reply #84 on: October 19, 2020, 03:35:11 PM »
Frankly, much as I wish otherwise, I don’t believe you can require masks for voting, as a basic Constitutional right.

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« Reply #85 on: October 19, 2020, 03:40:10 PM »
Correct.  And as a practical matter, you don't want poll workers enforcing that rule, and if you deny someone because of it, you have a lawsuit on your hands.
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« Reply #86 on: October 19, 2020, 03:54:16 PM »
Frankly, much as I wish otherwise, I don’t believe you can require masks for voting, as a basic Constitutional right.

I’m sure you are correct. But there is a way around it I would think. Have one line set up for outdoor voting - just like what I will deal with when I vote early this week.

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« Reply #87 on: October 19, 2020, 03:59:10 PM »
Frankly, much as I wish otherwise, I don’t believe you can require masks for voting, as a basic Constitutional right.


Wrong. Reasonable restrictions are placed on basic constitutional rights all the time.

You have a right to freedom of speech, but are prohibited from exercising that right to incite violence or possess/distribute child pornography. You have a right to 'bear arms,' but can be restricted if you are a convicted felon or want to own a functioning rocket launcher.

We are in the middle of a pandemic, and a state would be well within the confines of the Constitution to enact a rule requiring a simple mask to prevent spread of a deadly virus. Especially true given that there are easy alternatives, like absentee voting.

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« Reply #88 on: October 19, 2020, 04:00:16 PM »
Just voted. Two hour wait, not dressed for 45 degree and windy weather, plus started raining, get in only for them to have a breakdown about the fact that I reregistered at my new address but they had sent a mail in ballot to my old address because the new one wasn't updated in the system.

I feel for election judges, not really knowing what's going on and getting hit with a million weird technical glitches.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2020, 04:03:54 PM by Galway Eagle »
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« Reply #89 on: October 19, 2020, 04:01:29 PM »
Why would anyone wait in line for hours in the cold rain for EARLY VOTING???
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« Reply #90 on: October 19, 2020, 04:07:53 PM »

Wrong. Reasonable restrictions are placed on basic constitutional rights all the time.

You have a right to freedom of speech, but are prohibited from exercising that right to incite violence or possess/distribute child pornography. You have a right to 'bear arms,' but can be restricted if you are a convicted felon or want to own a functioning rocket launcher.

We are in the middle of a pandemic, and a state would be well within the confines of the Constitution to enact a rule requiring a simple mask to prevent spread of a deadly virus. Especially true given that there are easy alternatives, like absentee voting.


Not when the very order that requires a mask is under legal attack.  This is a sensible way for dealing with this problem, especially if it prevents legal challenges to the vote.  Considering few (if any) Covid cases were traced to the April elections, it's not tremendously risky anyway.
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« Reply #91 on: October 19, 2020, 04:13:45 PM »
Why would anyone wait in line for hours in the cold rain for EARLY VOTING???

I have my reasons
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« Reply #92 on: October 19, 2020, 04:20:10 PM »
I have my reasons

I'd like to hear them.  Not trying to be a prick, I totally get why people want to vote early, but when you have a 2-week window, there can't always be lines.
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« Reply #93 on: October 19, 2020, 04:24:54 PM »
I'd like to hear them.  Not trying to be a prick, I totally get why people want to vote early, but when you have a 2-week window, there can't always be lines.

wrote a sql query, on home internet they usually take an hour to fully load, polling place is around the corner and a neighbor said about 30minutes prior "there's only 4 people there", it was mid 50s and sunny when I went over, the line was long but figured "eh what the hell I have an hour" then by the time I was an hour in I was stubbornly too invested to turn around. But it got slower, darker, colder and wetter.
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« Reply #94 on: October 19, 2020, 04:30:48 PM »
wrote a sql query, on home internet they usually take an hour to fully load, polling place is around the corner and a neighbor said about 30minutes prior "there's only 4 people there", it was mid 50s and sunny when I went over, the line was long but figured "eh what the hell I have an hour" then by the time I was an hour in I was stubbornly too invested to turn around. But it got slower, darker, colder and wetter.

Thanks.  Not how I roll, but I get it.
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« Reply #95 on: October 19, 2020, 04:35:23 PM »

Not when the very order that requires a mask is under legal attack.  This is a sensible way for dealing with this problem, especially if it prevents legal challenges to the vote.  Considering few (if any) Covid cases were traced to the April elections, it's not tremendously risky anyway.



Under legal attack, but currently still valid. Restrictions on speech and gun ownership are under legal attack all the time. And as I said, there is a very easy way to vote without wearing a mask - many of us here have done it ourselves. Sounds like WI is leading from behind again.

MN, on the other hand....

https://www.startribune.com/federal-judge-upholds-walz-mask-mandate-at-the-polls/572625761/

Anyhow, glad I already voted absentee....
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« Reply #96 on: October 19, 2020, 04:37:03 PM »
I voted while eating my lunch at my desk today. It actually took me nearly 20 minutes to do it as I researched info on various initiatives in the two voting guides sent out with my ballot. I felt I was fully informed in making my decision on which way to vote. I also pulled the trigger on a State Rep GOP candidate who had strong anti-Trump stances in his position guide, as well as fully acknowledging GCC. He'd be center-left anywhere else (he won't win here). I'll swing by a ballot dropbox on my way home, I registered my ballot for tracking, and in a few days, I'll know when it's been received and counted via text message.

Tell me again what's wrong with every American being able to vote in the same manner, Trumpers.
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« Reply #97 on: October 19, 2020, 06:00:22 PM »
I voted while eating my lunch at my desk today. It actually took me nearly 20 minutes to do it as I researched info on various initiatives in the two voting guides sent out with my ballot. I felt I was fully informed in making my decision on which way to vote. I also pulled the trigger on a State Rep GOP candidate who had strong anti-Trump stances in his position guide, as well as fully acknowledging GCC. He'd be center-left anywhere else (he won't win here). I'll swing by a ballot dropbox on my way home, I registered my ballot for tracking, and in a few days, I'll know when it's been received and counted via text message.

Tell me again what's wrong with every American being able to vote in the same manner, Trumpers.

As a fellow Oregon resident, I feel more informed about my local initiatives and politicians than ever because I can sit at my kitchen table and fill out the ballot, researching each one from the comfort of my own home. It is so, so much better. The only reason to oppose it is it means the wrong people will vote Billy.

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« Reply #98 on: October 19, 2020, 07:04:04 PM »
I voted yesterday in Chicago. I didn’t actually realize they were open on Sundays, my neighbor went and texted me, so I walked over. The dreary day combined with I think lack of knowledge the place was open meant no line. I returned my mail-in ballot to the judge and voted in-person instead.
Funniest part is the judge manning the door mentioned that his pastor gave him dispensation from Mass -I said that the Cardinal had already continued the dispensation, but he would only take it from his pastor because he is upset that his parish is being merged with another parish in about six weeks. So he wants nothing to do with the Archdiocesan proclamations lol.

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« Reply #99 on: October 19, 2020, 07:09:54 PM »
Yep. And then you have different standards across the state depending on who's watching the door.

The list of symptoms are a joke. I am doing PT at a medical facility twice a week and I am asked them every time. They are so ridiculously broad that it is almost impossible not to have any of them.

It's winter and I am an older woman.  When do I not have body aches, a headache, and/or a runny nose?

BTW I was tested yesterday and I am still negative.
Have some patience, FFS.

 

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