Mc-Dammit

[Boozemon Barro]

What happens if they crap the bed at St Johns and at DePaul - after all, we have been told how hard it is to win road games in the BE?

Really feels like we'll lose at least one of those. Still can't believe we got blown out by Wisconsin and most of the fanbase is just cool with it. Fvck them.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I think you might have the Georgetown and seton hall games mixed up.

I do, thank you

[Boozemon Barro]

Huh? I think this season we are the 3rd best (behind Creighton and Seton Hall). I see no reason to expect more in the future. The high mark for Wojo's first recruiting cycle (years 1-3) was a 10 seed. The high water mark for Wojo's second recruiting cycle (years 4-6) is currently a 5 seed (and barring a torrid end to the season will stay there). I expect the high water mark to be even higher for his third recruiting cycle and the 2020 class is a great first step towards that.

Wojo's high water mark for winning tourney games is below sea level. Love it or leave it baby! You're the most counter-productive poster on this board and it ain't close.

[skianth16]

3.  Markus is getting the crap beat out of him.

He definitely took a hard shot tonight, but it was fine as a no call (from my view in the uppers, anyway). And I think the same was true of the shot to the nose that has now given him the mask. He plays hard and draws a lot of contact, but not everything will always be a foul.

Wojo mentioned in the postgame today that Markus leads the nation in drawing fouls. So the comments about Markus not getting enough foul calls might be a bit overblown. I'd love to see him at the line more often, but when he's already #1 in the country, I think he's getting plenty of calls to go his way.

[MUfan12]

In most cases, a team with the nation's leading scorer / a top NPOY candidate, loaded with upperclassmen and in the top 10 for 3pt shooting would be expected to be pretty dominant, don't you think? Wouldn't expectations be a little higher than just spending a week or two in the rankings and hoping for a 7 seed?

Thank you.

[21rooster]

Unless you came into this one with a bias, this isn't a game to trash Wojo. He came in with a defensive game plan that would have kept Creighton in the 60s if not for end-of-game fouling. In the first half they ran an offense that got a ton of open looks.  Plain and simple - the boys couldn't hit a wide open shot to save their lives.  The design was there, but the execution was not.  They admittedly should have worked the ball inside where they were shooting a really high percentage, but it's hard to fault the coaches for thinking wide open looks eventually had to fall.  It's been a tough couple games against two top 20 teams, but it's far from a disaster. 

And as for the worst era since someone on this board has been alive, feel fortunate you weren't in the union about ready to rush Wisconsin Avenue because we were about to win the NIT...then we didn't.  We are a school that can't fill the student section and can't get the sweater vests off their seats.  We've got a tourney team that may drop the first game or can get hot like the recent run - Better would be great, but anyone better than this runs for the hills anyways.

[murara1994]

Side note to rough game: was hilarious when Wojo called for the intentional foul but wasn't in penalty & McDermott just took the big fella out

Do you know what would have happened if anyone else had been fouled?  Think for a minute.  They were trying to GET to the bonus to extend the game.  Didn't matter who was fouled.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What happens if they crap the bed at St Johns and at DePaul - after all, we have been told how hard it is to win road games in the BE?

Depends on what we do with the other 4 games. On their own, losing either of them or both really doesn't hurt us, both are Q1B games. They would be missed opportunities to improve our resume but we wouldn't be "punished" for losing those games. Win the other 4 and we are likely a 5 seed with a shot at a 4 seed depending on the BET and how the teams around us perform. Win 3/4 and we are probably looking at a 6 seed. Win 2/4 and we are looking between a 6 and 7 seed. 1 or less and we the overall record would really drag us down and I could see us falling as low as a 10 seed, but unless there are a lot of bracketbusters, I think we are already in the tournament.

[Boozemon Barro]

Unless you came into this one with a bias, this isn't a game to trash Wojo. He came in with a defensive game plan that would have kept Creighton in the 60s if not for end-of-game fouling. In the first half they ran an offense that got a ton of open looks.  Plain and simple - the boys couldn't hit a wide open shot to save their lives.  The design was there, but the execution was not.  They admittedly should have worked the ball inside where they were shooting a really high percentage, but it's hard to fault the coaches for thinking wide open looks eventually had to fall.  It's been a tough couple games against two top 20 teams, but it's far from a disaster. 

And as for the worst era since someone on this board has been alive, feel fortunate you weren't in the union about ready to rush Wisconsin Avenue because we were about to win the NIT...then we didn't.  We are a school that can't fill the student section and can't get the sweater vests off their seats.  We've got a tourney team that may drop the first game or can get hot like the recent run - Better would be great, but anyone better than this runs for the hills anyways.

CU has no one over 6'7" and they completely shut us down at home. Weak. Soft. Weak. Soft. Mentally weak. Physically soft. Physically weak. Mentally soft.

[Boozemon Barro]

Depends on what we do with the other 4 games. On their own, losing either of them or both really doesn't hurt us, both are Q1B games. They would be missed opportunities to improve our resume but we wouldn't be "punished" for losing those games. Win the other 4 and we are likely a 5 seed with a shot at a 4 seed depending on the BET and how the teams around us perform. Win 3/4 and we are probably looking at a 6 seed. Win 2/4 and we are looking between a 6 and 7 seed. 1 or less and we the overall record would really drag us down and I could see us falling as low as a 10 seed, but unless there are a lot of bracketbusters, I think we are already in the tournament.

Loser perspective. Pure poison.

[CountryRoads]

Do you know what would have happened if anyone else had been fouled?  Think for a minute.  They were trying to GET to the bonus to extend the game.  Didn't matter who was fouled.

Yeah, even though I once saw Mac lose a game up 5 with under 1 second to go, we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt that he would have taken the kid that couldn't shoot free throws out when they got to the bonus.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wojo's high water mark for winning tourney games is below sea level. Love it or leave it baby! You're the most counter-productive poster on this board and it ain't close.

I don't know what "most counter-productive poster" means but thank you?

Yep, Wojo hasn't won any NCAA games. Honestly, I don't care that much in terms of evaluating Wojo's performance so far. I think the idea that beating a 7 seed or a 12 seed somehow changes Wojo's record so far from bad to good is laughable. Best way to win games that matter (Elite 8 or above) is to consistently earn high seeds. You do that and the March wins will come eventually (unless you're Mick Cronin).

[Johnny B]

Loser perspective. Pure poison.

Aw dont like reasonable thought out sentiments? Go grab a coloring book and sit in the corner

[21rooster]

CU has no one over 6'7" and they completely shut us down at home. Weak. Soft. Weak. Soft. Mentally weak. Physically soft. Physically weak. Mentally soft.

Are you old enough to remember when Lazar was our center?  Good teams turn their weaknesses into strengths.  This is a very good Creighton team, and we would have had them beaten if we could hit a wide open shot.  If you've played sports, you know that sometimes there are nights like this.  Against a really good team, you can't overcome a night where the open looks aren't falling. 

[JWags85]

He definitely took a hard shot tonight, but it was fine as a no call (from my view in the uppers, anyway). And I think the same was true of the shot to the nose that has now given him the mask. He plays hard and draws a lot of contact, but not everything will always be a foul.

Wojo mentioned in the postgame today that Markus leads the nation in drawing fouls. So the comments about Markus not getting enough foul calls might be a bit overblown. I'd love to see him at the line more often, but when he's already #1 in the country, I think he's getting plenty of calls to go his way.

He draws a lot of fouls and is a AA and NPOY candidate, so when he's not getting calls, something feels off. Creighton hedged AGGRESSIVELY at the top of the key and multiple times, especially in the first half, he would get knocked almost off his dribble with no call. Not to mention getting grabbed on handoffs. That plus 2-3 diff drives in the second half where he was fouls going to the rim or shooting without calls. Hell, when Zagarowski fouled him on the drive and he got FTs, i thought it was less contact than multiple other times. It's certainly not the reason MU lost, but it didn't help him or the team get in any sort of rhythm.

And that's going to be a big key for Creighton in the tourney. If they are allowed to play handsy, grabby defense (Huggins era Cincy style), they will take you off your game and succeed. If not, they could be in trouble

[Mutaman]

A top 25 team and a likely 6 or 7 seed? Yes. That's the program we have. And that's fine.

I agree that we need to win a tournament game this year.

Getting embarrassed in a big game on your home court when you are a 3 point fav is not 'fine".

[Boozemon Barro]

Aw dont like reasonable thought out sentiments? Go grab a coloring book and sit in the corner

Love being average. Love it. Hate anyone who hates it.

[Johnny B]

Love being average. Love it. Hate anyone who hates it.

This ain't average. We are ranked top 20. 2 losses to top 15 teams and you lose your shitt.what do you expect each year Duke like results

[BM1090]

Getting embarrassed in a big game on your home court when you are a 3 point fav is not 'fine".

College kids. Inconsist. Missed open shots. crap happens.

If we're bad on Saturday I'll start getting concerned.

[Boozemon Barro]

I don't know what "most counter-productive poster" means but thank you?

Yep, Wojo hasn't won any NCAA games. Honestly, I don't care that much in terms of evaluating Wojo's performance so far. I think the idea that beating a 7 seed or a 12 seed somehow changes Wojo's record so far from bad to good is laughable. Best way to win games that matter (Elite 8 or above) is to consistently earn high seeds. You do that and the March wins will come eventually (unless you're Mick Cronin).

Yeah tourney games are statistically insignificant in your world. Just one game. You have a large portion of the board buying into your bullshít. Explaining away everything with "metrics" that fit your loser perspective. Pure poison. Wojo can't win when it matters.

[Boozemon Barro]

This ain't average. We are ranked top 20. 2 losses to top 15 teams and you lose your crapt.what do you expect each year Duke like results

What are Marquette like results in your world? Never winning important games?
Recruiting better than your conference foes and losing? What are our chances of winnimg the Big East tournament right now? >10%? Hey we got great recruits coming in next year! Hopefully we can get an 8 seed and have a good matchup!!

[21rooster]

NET ranking is 19.  334 other teams would gladly take MU's spot in the ranking that matters most to the committee.  Play in the best conference in college basketball and you sometimes lose two in a row...to top 20 teams.

[TallTitan34]

NET ranking is 19.  334 other teams would gladly take MU's spot in the ranking that matters most to the committee.  Play in the best conference in college basketball and you sometimes lose two in a row...to top 20 teams.

This.

Maybe you guys should go cheer for Duke if this isn't good enough for you.

[bilsu]

Playing their best ball of the year coming into 2 top league games and could not even compete to be a threat to win in either.   

Wojo = mediocrity.  Get used to it.

I was hoping for a split and I figured we had to beat Villanova to do it. Creighton is a better team than MU, but I do not think Villanova is.

[JakeBarnes]

Welp, this is a dumpster fire. See y'all Saturday.