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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 18, 2020, 09:46:50 PM

Title: Mc-Dammit
Post by: tower912 on February 18, 2020, 09:46:50 PM
1.  Best offensive movement I have seen in years.  Better than the midgets season under Buzz.   If they stay healthy and play like they have for the last month,  they could make the final 4.
2.  But if MU made open shots, they still would have won.
3.  Markus is getting the crap beat out of him.
4.  That is it.  Creighton is playing great and did so again tonight.  But, if MU hit their open looks they win.






5.   Theo had a night.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 18, 2020, 09:49:50 PM
Water finds it’s level.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: warriors141 on February 18, 2020, 09:50:50 PM
pathetic home performance. Very boring game to watch, did just enough to hang around and that was it. Very uninspiring performance
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TVDirector on February 18, 2020, 09:50:56 PM
Well that was unfortunate. 
A bad night to screw the lid on the basket. 
Good D, but awful O. 
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: tower912 on February 18, 2020, 09:51:00 PM
Water finds it’s level.
And Creighton has raised theirs.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: jesmu84 on February 18, 2020, 09:51:35 PM
Creighton made every shot when they needed to.

Marquette missed a ton of open looks.

That's the story of the game.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WarriorPride68 on February 18, 2020, 09:51:47 PM
Side note to rough game: was hilarious when Wojo called for the intentional foul but wasn’t in penalty & McDermott just took the big fella out
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 09:51:55 PM
I do not like Wojo-ball. Give me some junkyard dogs. The worst era in MU basketball since I’ve been old enough to remember.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Afroman on February 18, 2020, 09:52:31 PM
Well that was unfortunate. 
A bad night to screw the lid on the basket. 
Good D, but awful O.

Good D? How many times did MU need a stop and couldn't get one?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: PointWarrior on February 18, 2020, 09:53:02 PM
Don’t look now but Marquette might be battling for 8th in the big east. 
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: tower912 on February 18, 2020, 09:53:11 PM
I do not like Wojo-ball. Give me some junkyard dogs. The worst era in MU basketball since I’ve been old enough to remember.
Missed you.   Big 😘
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 18, 2020, 09:53:22 PM
I do not like Wojo-ball. Give me some junkyard dogs. The worst era in MU basketball since I’ve been old enough to remember.
Oh, hey, it's the "I wish we were DePaul" guy.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 18, 2020, 09:53:32 PM
Double double by Theo went for naught.

Sort of a group suckfest. They are medium-good overall but still can pull a clunker all too often.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Johnny B on February 18, 2020, 09:53:40 PM
Well that was unfortunate. 
A bad night to screw the lid on the basket. 
Good D, but awful O.
Not good d. Wide open 3s for them all over the place. Guys getting beat off the dribble. Wide open lanes to drive.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: lurch91 on February 18, 2020, 09:54:30 PM
McDermott and crew has one of the fastest teams after a made basket.  Seemed like they were initiating their offense while we were scrambling to find our defensive assignments.

Too many missed open looks.  Everyone was missing tonight. We hit our average on those open threes, we win.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 18, 2020, 09:55:19 PM
1.  Best offensive movement I have seen in years.  Better than the midgets season under Buzz.   If they stay healthy and play like they have for the last month,  they could make the final 4.
2.  But if MU made open shots, they still would have won.
3.  Markus is getting the crap beat out of him.
4.  That is it.  Creighton is playing great and did so again tonight.  But, if MU hit their open looks they win.






5.   Theo had a night.


2. When have koby n sacar hit open shots?, Markus needs to shoot. Contrsted or not his contested shots are better than those twos wide open shots.  If sacar takes 5 more shots than Markus, we will lose.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Afroman on February 18, 2020, 09:55:40 PM
Not good d. Wide open 3s for them all over the place. Guys getting beat off the dribble. Wide open lanes to drive.

Other than that, "Good D." Lol.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
Missed you.   Big 😘
Yeah no point posting when the delusionals are just going to say “I told you so” thanks to a 3 game win streak and a 16th in the nation ranking (we may fall to others receiving votes not 2 weeks later).

Like an earlier poster in this thread said. Water finds it’s level. Our level with Wojo has been average at best (for a high major basketball school).
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 18, 2020, 09:56:05 PM
1.  Best offensive movement I have seen in years.  Better than the midgets season under Buzz.   If they stay healthy and play like they have for the last month,  they could make the final 4.
2.  But if MU made open shots, they still would have won.
3.  Markus is getting the crap beat out of him.
4.  That is it.  Creighton is playing great and did so again tonight.  But, if MU hit their open looks they win.






5.   Theo had a night.


U got some very rose colored glasses on man.  That was a thorough smash in the mouth loss every which way
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: lurch91 on February 18, 2020, 09:57:04 PM
I do not like Wojo-ball. Give me some junkyard dogs. The worst era in MU basketball since I’ve been old enough to remember.

Being ranked #18 is the worst basketball since you were able to remember??  Go back to rooting for DePaul.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 09:57:32 PM
Oh, hey, it's the "I wish we were DePaul" guy.
If you’re gonna use quotation marks you might as well use an actual quote.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 09:58:21 PM
Being ranked #18 is the worst basketball since you were able to remember??  Go back to rooting for Depaul.
As the lone, de facto high water mark over the last 6 years? Yes.. yes that’s the worst basketball MU has experienced in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: tower912 on February 18, 2020, 09:59:06 PM
Yeah no point posting when the delusionals are just going to say “I told you so” thanks to a 3 game win streak and a 16th in the nation ranking (we may fall to others receiving votes not 2 weeks later).

Like an earlier poster in this thread said. Water finds it’s level. Our level with Wojo has been average at best (for a high major basketball school).
Thank you.  I will now able to go to sleep laughing.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 18, 2020, 09:59:14 PM
Being ranked #18 is the worst basketball since you were able to remember??  Go back to rooting for Depaul.

They are not even close to the top 25 best teams in the country in a down year in the ncaa.   Wisconsin would eat their lunch even if they dont score more than 50 points. 

Wont see the top 25 rest of the way out now
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Johnny B on February 18, 2020, 10:00:26 PM
They are not even close to the top 25 best teams in the country in a down year in the ncaa.   Wisconsin would eat their lunch even if they dont score more than 50 points. 

Wont see the top 25 rest of the way out now
Wtf they are not even close? What are they then 50-75 range ? Sub 100? You just sound so dumb
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:00:42 PM
Thank you.  I will now able to go to sleep laughing.
Yes yes - what an imbecile I am! How could I not appreciate the boundless success Wojo and his teams have brought the program for the last half decade plus!!
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: warriors141 on February 18, 2020, 10:00:48 PM
Being ranked #18 is the worst basketball since you were able to remember??  Go back to rooting for DePaul.

Well we are playing like trash the last few games. You are correct is stating our 18 rank in the past tense though
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: lurch91 on February 18, 2020, 10:00:58 PM
As the lone, de facto high water mark over the last 6 years? Yes.. yes that’s the worst basketball MU has experienced in my lifetime.

Ok teenager, hope this game helps filled you with angst.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: nyg on February 18, 2020, 10:01:18 PM
Have to protect home.  This along with the Providence debacle really hurts.

CU really passes the ball well, backdoors, from the post to outside, things that Mu does not just do very good and not very often.

Anyone else tired of watching Kobe throw the ball into the stands, benches, etc.  Yet, he has 8 assists tonight, but shot 3 for 11. I hope this kid Mane commits to MU, he will be needed big time next year..  There was talk in another thread about Cain playing the 2G.  Not gonna happen, I cringe every time he dribbles the ball.  Torrence may improve but he was benched in second half and Elliott got smoked defensively.  Who knows maybe the lowly rated Dexter kid can play fairly well. 

People are going to rip Markus, who is playing himself out of BE POY, never less NPOY, but that mass has to be bothering him.  Alexander shut him down big time and he is an NBA prospect.

About this time last year, MU was 23-4 and 12-2 in BE, then the horrific ending.  Hope it doesn't continue. 

Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: fjm on February 18, 2020, 10:01:57 PM
Offense missed a lot of open shots.
Ouch.

It was not great. But not as bad as 5dollar and Mike deane claim.


But also, 5dollar is rooting for DePaul. Sooo he’s got that going for him.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 18, 2020, 10:02:09 PM
First four out level team at best.   The team is awful and the lack of talent is seriously degrading howards draft stock as we go along
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 18, 2020, 10:02:18 PM
Not sure how any team can win with koby playing like that, i have gotten to the point of wondering what unthinkably stupid play Koby will make and cringing every time he touches the ball.  With him at PG hes almost un- overcomeable.  If that is a word?  We missed shots, they hit shots but the most valuable player for Creighton tonite was without question Koby.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: fjm on February 18, 2020, 10:02:20 PM
Alexander hit every damn shot he had.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 18, 2020, 10:02:34 PM
1.  Best offensive movement I have seen in years.  Better than the midgets season under Buzz.   If they stay healthy and play like they have for the last month,  they could make the final 4.
2.  But if MU made open shots, they still would have won.
3.  Markus is getting the crap beat out of him.
4.  That is it.  Creighton is playing great and did so again tonight.  But, if MU hit their open looks they win.






5.   Theo had a night.

They missed a lot of open looks, too. Not as many as we did, but a lot. And because of the ball movement you speak of, they’re open looks are a lot more open than ours.

Only problem I see going forward for the Bluejays is that they’re what Al used to call a doughnut team - big hole in the middle. If Theo can go double/double against them...
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 18, 2020, 10:02:48 PM
They are not even close to the top 25 best teams in the country in a down year in the ncaa.   Wisconsin would eat their lunch even if they dont score more than 50 points. 

Wont see the top 25 rest of the way out now

You clearly can't help it but try to be a little less stupid and maybe other stupid people will buy into your stupidity.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 18, 2020, 10:03:54 PM
Yes yes - what an imbecile I am! How could I not appreciate the boundless success Wojo and his teams have brought the program for the last half decade plus!!

You still want to be DePaul?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:04:29 PM
Ok teenager, hope this game helps filled you with angst.
Not a teenager but younger than those of you unfortunates that had to live through coherent fandom during Bob Dukiet’s tenure.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: We R Final Four on February 18, 2020, 10:06:56 PM
1.  Best offensive movement I have seen in years.  Better than the midgets season under Buzz.   If they stay healthy and play like they have for the last month,  they could make the final 4.
2.  But if MU made open shots, they still would have won.
3.  Markus is getting the crap beat out of him.
4.  That is it.  Creighton is playing great and did so again tonight.  But, if MU hit their open looks they win.






5.   Theo had a night.
A lot of trolls on here, but #3 is such a homer comment. Are you suggesting MH was fouled tonight and it wasn’t called?
Are you referring to Jayce’s rake of his face? The blocking call?
Not sure what you are referring to with that comment.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Smokin' Jae on February 18, 2020, 10:07:35 PM
6 years of Wojo, seen some dumb crap in 6 years, okay...that happens....but by and far the dumbest thing I’ve seen in the last 6 years is when he instructed the players to foul Bishop in the last minute, with a foul to give. I swear to god, I saw McDermott smirk, and then promptly pull him out of the game.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:07:56 PM
You still want to be DePaul?
I mean if you go back and actually read the thread it was a devils advocate exercise to suggest that maybe DePaul was making a true breakthrough faster than Marquette. They weren’t. Sure. I was wrong about that.

But that doesn’t discredit that Marquette’s rebuild hasn’t progressed quickly enough for many (myself included). I started at MU and graduated all without a tourney win. And we still sit here today without a tourney win.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 18, 2020, 10:09:41 PM
Alexander hit every damn shot he had.

9-21 total, 4-11 from 3.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 18, 2020, 10:10:04 PM
I mean if you go back and actually read the thread it was a devils advocate exercise to suggest that maybe DePaul was making a true breakthrough faster than Marquette. They weren’t. Sure. I was wrong about that.

But that doesn’t discredit that Marquette’s rebuild hasn’t progressed quickly enough for many (myself included). I started at MU and graduated all without a tourney win. And we still sit here today without a tourney win.

Goalposts moved. Congrats.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WarriorPride68 on February 18, 2020, 10:10:34 PM
First four out level team at best.   The team is awful and the lack of talent is seriously degrading howards draft stock as we go along

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Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:12:16 PM
Goalposts moved. Congrats.
Skirmish lost, war continues. Overall point still stands as strong as ever.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WarriorPride68 on February 18, 2020, 10:12:28 PM
9-21 total, 4-11 from 3.

EFF MATH
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: PointWarrior on February 18, 2020, 10:12:43 PM
Playing their best ball of the year coming into 2 top league games and could not even compete to be a threat to win in either.   

Wojo = mediocrity.  Get used to it. 
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Newsdreams on February 18, 2020, 10:13:39 PM
I do not like Wojo-ball. Give me some junkyard dogs. The worst era in MU basketball since I’ve been old enough to remember.

You must be really young
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:14:04 PM
Playing their best ball of the year coming into 2 top league games and could not even compete to be a threat to win in either.   

Wojo = mediocrity.  Get used to it.
Oh many here are used to it. That’s the problem. This pattern has been accepted.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 18, 2020, 10:14:24 PM
Skirmish lost, war continues. Overall point still stands as strong as ever.

The point is you suggested you'd rather have DePaul's program. How are they doing this year?  How does their future look?  What is their incoming class ranked? 

Idiot.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 18, 2020, 10:14:52 PM
A lot of trolls on here, but #3 is such a homer comment. Are you suggesting MH was fouled tonight and it wasn’t called?
Are you referring to Jayce’s rake of his face? The blocking call?
Not sure what you are referring to with that comment.

It looks like hes getting beat up because they  have a practice squad around him trying to compete in high major ball
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: CountryRoads on February 18, 2020, 10:15:35 PM
Would have been nice to get one of these last two games. 4 of the last 5 are against the bottom 5 so need to take care of business.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Windyplayer on February 18, 2020, 10:16:19 PM
They are not even close to the top 25 best teams in the country in a down year in the ncaa.   Wisconsin would eat their lunch even if they dont score more than 50 points. 

Wont see the top 25 rest of the way out now
Lol. Except when they beat PC on Sat and only drop 2-3 spots.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Newsdreams on February 18, 2020, 10:16:33 PM
First four out level team at best.   The team is awful and the lack of talent is seriously degrading howards draft stock as we go along
Hey you're back. Go root for whatever UW regional you graduated from
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: We R Final Four on February 18, 2020, 10:17:00 PM
Would have been nice to get one of these last two games. 4 of the last 5 are against the bottom 5 so need to take care of business.
I said earlier our chance was vs Nova. That was attainable. This one was always too much for us.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: PointWarrior on February 18, 2020, 10:17:05 PM
Yet have no confidence they win any of them - like last years fade. Setting up like it. 


Would have been nice to get one of these last two games. 4 of the last 5 are against the bottom 5 so need to take care of business.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:17:17 PM
The point is you suggested you'd rather have DePaul's program. How are they doing this year?  How does their future look?  What is their incoming class ranked? 

Idiot.
The Projos can call names with no consequences. I love it.

But to address the spirit of your post. Do you really think the underlying point of my posts is to promote DePaul? That was one thread. At the end of the day, it’s about how Marquette is mediocre and Projos like you (yes you!) have accepted mediocrity.

Comprehension level 4/10 - you can do better.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 18, 2020, 10:17:38 PM
It looks like hes getting beat up because they  have a practice squad around him trying to compete in high major ball

How many times do I have to tell you to stop wearing your seatbelt?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 18, 2020, 10:18:05 PM
Man with the talent we have, we are so mediocre. Disapointment
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Windyplayer on February 18, 2020, 10:18:35 PM
Yet have no confidence they win any of them - like last years fade. Setting up like it.
Er, because of losses to two top 15 teams - one on the road? Get a grip.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 18, 2020, 10:19:10 PM
The Projos can call names with no consequences. I love it.

But to address the spirit of your post. Do you really think the underlying point of my posts is to promote DePaul? That was one thread. At the end of the day, it’s about how Marquette is mediocre and Projos like you (yes you!) have accepted mediocrity.

Comprehension level 4/10 - you can do better.

Not remotely a ProJo. Just offended by immense stupidity.

In case that wasn't clear you're incredibly stupid.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 18, 2020, 10:20:11 PM
Where were all you guys the last few weeks?  Winning didn’t fit your narrative?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:20:43 PM
Not remotely a ProJo. Just offended by immense stupidity.

In case that wasn't clear you're incredibly stupid.
I get the feeling you’re upset and calling names because you’re frustrated that I, and others, have valid points about the state of MU basketball.

I too have frustrations toward Wojo. Let’s team up.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Elonsmusk on February 18, 2020, 10:20:56 PM
End of the day, Creighton is really good, and simply better than we are.  Those three guards they have are problematic.

Don't think we need to offer up the "we missed a bunch of open" shots explanation, that has now become the go to rationale for losses.  Creighton defended really well, just as we defended them pretty well.

Live and die by the three - yet tonight Theo was highly efficient inside and we rarely attempted to play through him.

Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Johnny B on February 18, 2020, 10:21:13 PM
The Projos can call names with no consequences. I love it.

But to address the spirit of your post. Do you really think the underlying point of my posts is to promote DePaul? That was one thread. At the end of the day, it’s about how Marquette is mediocre and Projos like you (yes you!) have accepted mediocrity.

Comprehension level 4/10 - you can do better.
Ranked teams are mediocre. Moronic
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:22:23 PM
Where were all you guys the last few weeks?  Winning didn’t fit your narrative?
I mean I posted and had my nose rubbed in a 3 game win streak and a 16th in the country ranking.

Goals for this fanbase don’t align with the potential this program has. Projos have nothing to say “I told you so” about, but they do it with reckless abandon.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: wadesworld on February 18, 2020, 10:23:04 PM
I mean I posted and had my nose rubbed in a 3 game win streak and a 16th in the country ranking.

Goals for this fanbase don’t align with the potential this program has. Projos have nothing to say “I told you so” about, but they do it with reckless abandon.

The projos just wish we were DePaul.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Newsdreams on February 18, 2020, 10:23:11 PM
Where were all you guys the last few weeks?  Winning didn’t fit your narrative?
Yep, not real fans and very much lacking cbb knowledge.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:23:55 PM
Ranked teams are mediocre. Moronic
We touch the rankings and pull away faster than a young kid touching a hot stove for the first time. Projos love to extrapolate anomalies as if they are the norm.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: wadesworld on February 18, 2020, 10:25:40 PM
We touch the rankings and pull away faster than a young kid touching a hot stove for the first time. Projos love to extrapolate anomalies as if they are the norm.

ProJos love DePaul.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:25:54 PM
Yep, not real fans and very much lacking cbb knowledge.
Clearly we do not have the galaxy brain required to understand that December wins against non-con mid majors >>>> tournament wins
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 18, 2020, 10:25:59 PM
I get the feeling you’re upset and calling names because you’re frustrated that I, and others, have valid points about the state of MU basketball.

I too have frustrations toward Wojo. Let’s team up.

I'm good. I have concerns as well. Reach out if the idiocy passes.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 18, 2020, 10:26:31 PM
We touch the rankings and pull away faster than a young kid touching a hot stove for the first time. Projos love to extrapolate anomalies as if they are the norm.

Didn’t your goal school of DePaul touch the rankings then go 1-12?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:26:57 PM
ProJos love DePaul.
Heard you the first time!!  8-)
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Johnny B on February 18, 2020, 10:28:07 PM
We touch the rankings and pull away faster than a young kid touching a hot stove for the first time. Projos love to extrapolate anomalies as if they are the norm.
Not really pro jo but being fair. Yes two bad performances but at the end of the day 2 single digit losses to top 15 teams. Season is by no means lost. Dont think it makes sense to just jump to conclusions and assume were mediocre or trash like troll idiot seat belt thinks. Maybe the wheels will fall off this year and I'll give you some credit. To early to really judge yet
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 18, 2020, 10:28:17 PM
How many times do I have to tell you to stop wearing your seatbelt?

Just make sure you use less teeth next time you try to calm wojo down at half
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: wadesworld on February 18, 2020, 10:28:58 PM
Heard you the first time!!  8-)

Go DePaul.

Also, welcome back. Talk about pulling away faster than a kid touching a hot stove for the first time...how was the corner you were cowering in?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:29:36 PM
Not really pro jo but being fair. Yes two bad performances but at the end of the day 2 single digit losses to top 15 teams. Season is by no means lost. Dont think it makes sense to just jump to conclusions and assume were mediocre or trash like troll idiot seat belt thinks. Maybe the wheels will fall off this year and I'll give you some credit. To early to really judge yet
In my opinion if the season ended today and we didn’t win our first round game the year is a complete and utter failure. Some here may not hold the team to the same standards.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:31:17 PM
Go DePaul.

Also, welcome back. Talk about pulling away faster than a kid touching a hot stove for the first time...how was the corner you were cowering in?
I mean I posted during the timeframe and you responded to my post saying that “it has been proven” that Wojo is a good coach.

I can’t even hope to make a meaningful point when Projos such as you are experiencing such levels of hysterical Wojo-induced euphoria.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 18, 2020, 10:32:38 PM
Just make sure you use less teeth next time you try to calm wojo down at half

Don't worry. Someday another person will voluntarily touch you. Probably not any time soon but hopefully someday.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 18, 2020, 10:33:31 PM
Anyone still talking about rebuilding needs to have their head examined. Markus is a senior.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 18, 2020, 10:35:03 PM
Anyone still talking about rebuilding needs to have their head examined. Markus is a senior.
So what are we doing? Is this it? Is this the program we have?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: BM1090 on February 18, 2020, 10:37:41 PM
So what are we doing? Is this it? Is this the program we have?

A top 25 team and a likely 6 or 7 seed? Yes. That's the program we have. And that's fine.

I agree that we need to win a tournament game this year.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: BM1090 on February 18, 2020, 10:38:17 PM
Make open shots. Defensive gameplan was mostly good. Gotta make open shots.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 18, 2020, 10:38:33 PM
So what are we doing? Is this it? Is this the program we have?

Yup. You should probably leave if you don’t like that.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 18, 2020, 10:39:00 PM
So what are we doing? Is this it? Is this the program we have?
Hope? Hope our guys find some nads and play like guys with nads. Not gonna hold my breath.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Elonsmusk on February 18, 2020, 10:39:30 PM
So what are we doing? Is this it? Is this the program we have?

Yes.  And this is probably the high water mark/season.  We will take a step back next year.  End of the day, Wojo is at best a mediocre in-game coach.  Adjust expectations accordingly.

Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: skianth16 on February 18, 2020, 10:45:31 PM
A top 25 team and a likely 6 or 7 seed? Yes. That's the program we have. And that's fine.

I agree that we need to win a tournament game this year.

That's what we had at 7pm today. After this loss, there's a good chance we slip from the rankings. I would think we'll land around a 7 seed, but we really need to avoid any oopsies down the stretch to make sure we keep an ok seed.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: PointWarrior on February 18, 2020, 10:47:06 PM
Perfect analysis - this is the ceiling - at best a 4th place team in big east I’m good years. Never really compete against top teams.   Accept mediocrity as that’s what’s coming as long as Wojo is here.



Yes.  And this is probably the high water mark/season.  We will take a step back next year.  End of the day, Wojo is at best a mediocre in-game coach.  Adjust expectations accordingly.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: CTWarrior on February 18, 2020, 10:47:15 PM
Make open shots. Defensive gameplan was mostly good. Gotta make open shots.
We were rushing everything early and never got in rhythm from 3.  Creighton sped us up more than we'd like. 
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 18, 2020, 10:47:29 PM
That's what we had at 7pm today. After this loss, there's a good chance we slip from the rankings. I would think we'll land around a 7 seed, but we really need to avoid any oopsies down the stretch to make sure we keep an ok seed.

Let's hope hope hope we get a good matchup and hope hope hope we don't play like dogshot like we have every time there's been hype around a Wojo coached game.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Doo on February 18, 2020, 10:52:00 PM
5 points from our bench...pathetic. 
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 18, 2020, 10:52:06 PM
This thread is....pleasant.

Creighton outplayed us tonight. McDermott has put together a very good squad this year. I thought they would struggle when Epperson went down but McD has taken a weakness and turned it into a strength. Kudos to him. He has my vote for BE COY and should be a candidate for NCOY (not a winner but a candidate).

As absurd as this may sound, I think Wojo outcoached McD in the first half. I'll need to rewatch to be sure, but my impression was that our D was playing really well and forcing them into bad shots. Our O was getting wide open looks....that refused to fall. Even a slightly below average shooting night would have given us a halftime lead.

The second half, after MU's initial run to tie it, McD was the better coach. Between the first and last TV timeout, his guys were moving the ball crisply and finding wide open looks everywhere. They actually missed a few good ones that could have made this a laugher early in the half. I liked the switch to a matchup zone at the end and MU put up a good run to give themselves a chance in the in the final minutes. Credit to the Jays, they made some really tough shots in the final minutes to keep us at arm's length. Alexander had a couple of dagger threes and Damien Jefferson (IRCC) had a really difficult up and under fade away that pushed the lead out to 7.

Ners said the other day that Creighton was the best team in the Big East and I agreed with him. Tonight reinforced my opinion. I think tonight was the toughest game left on the schedule, this weekend is the third toughest IMHO, followed by the second toughest. I think the last three are the easiest. Win at least one of the next two and I'm feeling pretty good about our seed. Win both and I'm ecstatic. Lose both and I will be really nervous but our position will be recoverable.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: BM1090 on February 18, 2020, 10:52:51 PM
That's what we had at 7pm today. After this loss, there's a good chance we slip from the rankings. I would think we'll land around a 7 seed, but we really need to avoid any oopsies down the stretch to make sure we keep an ok seed.

If we win two more we will probably be a 7. 3-2 and we have a decent shot at a 6.

Turnaround starts saturday.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 18, 2020, 10:54:23 PM
That's what we had at 7pm today. After this loss, there's a good chance we slip from the rankings. I would think we'll land around a 7 seed, but we really need to avoid any oopsies down the stretch to make sure we keep an ok seed.

This was a Q1A loss. We missed an opportunity to advance, but this really won't drop us on the s-curve. We may lose a spot unless multiple of the teams below us have big weeks.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 18, 2020, 10:54:55 PM
This thread is....pleasant.

Creighton outplayed us tonight. McDermott has put together a very good squad this year. I thought they would struggle when Epperson went down but McD has taken a weakness and turned it into a strength. Kudos to him.

As absurd as this may sound, I think Wojo outcoached McD in the first half. I'll need to rewatch to be sure, but my impression was that our D was playing really well and forcing them into bad shots. Our O was getting wide open looks....that refused to fall. Even a slightly below average shooting night would have given us a halftime lead.

The second half, after MU's initial run to tie it, McD was the better coach. Between the first and last TV timeout, his guys were moving the ball everywhere and finding wide open looks everywhere. They actually missed a few good ones that could have made this a laugher early in the game. I liked the switch to a matchup zone at the end and MU put up a good run to give themselves a chance at the end. Credit to the Jays, they made some really tough shots in the final minutes to keep us at arm's length. Alexander had a couple of dagger threes and Damien Jefferson (IRCC) had a really difficult up and under fade away that pushed the lead out to 7.

Ners said the other day that Creighton was the best team in the Big East and I agreed with him. Tonight reinforced my opinion. I think tonight was the toughest game left on the schedule, this weekend is the third toughest IMHO, followed by the second toughest. I think the last three are the easiest. Win at least one of the next two and I'm feeling pretty good about our seed. Win both and I'm ecstatic. Lose both and I will be really nervous but our position will be recoverable.

I agree with everything here.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 18, 2020, 10:56:47 PM
This thread is....pleasant.

Creighton outplayed us tonight. McDermott has put together a very good squad this year. I thought they would struggle when Epperson went down but McD has taken a weakness and turned it into a strength. Kudos to him.

As absurd as this may sound, I think Wojo outcoached McD in the first half. I'll need to rewatch to be sure, but my impression was that our D was playing really well and forcing them into bad shots. Our O was getting wide open looks....that refused to fall. Even a slightly below average shooting night would have given us a halftime lead.

The second half, after MU's initial run to tie it, McD was the better coach. Between the first and last TV timeout, his guys were moving the ball everywhere and finding wide open looks everywhere. They actually missed a few good ones that could have made this a laugher early in the game. I liked the switch to a matchup zone at the end and MU put up a good run to give themselves a chance at the end. Credit to the Jays, they made some really tough shots in the final minutes to keep us at arm's length. Alexander had a couple of dagger threes and Damien Jefferson (IRCC) had a really difficult up and under fade away that pushed the lead out to 7.

Ners said the other day that Creighton was the best team in the Big East and I agreed with him. Tonight reinforced my opinion. I think tonight was the toughest game left on the schedule, this weekend is the third toughest IMHO, followed by the second toughest. I think the last three are the easiest. Win at least one of the next two and I'm feeling pretty good about our seed. Win both and I'm ecstatic. Lose both and I will be really nervous but our position will be recoverable.

Give me some analytics to prove that we're the 5th best Big East team and should never expect more.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: PointWarrior on February 18, 2020, 10:57:58 PM
What happens if they crap the bed at St Johns and at DePaul - after all, we have been told how hard it is to win road games in the BE?



This was a Q1A loss. We missed an opportunity to advance, but this really won't drop us on the s-curve. We may lose a spot unless multiple of the teams below us have big weeks.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: CountryRoads on February 18, 2020, 11:00:44 PM
This thread is....pleasant.

Creighton outplayed us tonight. McDermott has put together a very good squad this year. I thought they would struggle when Epperson went down but McD has taken a weakness and turned it into a strength. Kudos to him. He has my vote for BE COY and should be a candidate for NCOY (not a winner but a candidate).

As absurd as this may sound, I think Wojo outcoached McD in the first half. I'll need to rewatch to be sure, but my impression was that our D was playing really well and forcing them into bad shots. Our O was getting wide open looks....that refused to fall. Even a slightly below average shooting night would have given us a halftime lead.

Ners said the other day that Creighton was the best team in the Big East and I agreed with him. Tonight reinforced my opinion. I think tonight was the toughest game left on the schedule, this weekend is the third toughest IMHO, followed by the second toughest. I think the last three are the easiest. Win at least one of the next two and I'm feeling pretty good about our seed. Win both and I'm ecstatic. Lose both and I will be really nervous but our position will be recoverable.

I think you might have the Georgetown and seton hall games mixed up.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: skianth16 on February 18, 2020, 11:03:54 PM
Yup. You should probably leave if you don’t like that.

In most cases, a team with the nation's leading scorer / a top NPOY candidate, loaded with upperclassmen and in the top 10 for 3pt shooting would be expected to be pretty dominant, don't you think? Wouldn't expectations be a little higher than just spending a week or two in the rankings and hoping for a 7 seed?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 18, 2020, 11:04:14 PM
Give me some analytics to prove that we're the 5th best Big East team and should never expect more.

Huh? I think this season we are the 3rd best (behind Creighton and Seton Hall). I see no reason to expect more in the future. The high mark for Wojo's first recruiting cycle (years 1-3) was a 10 seed. The high water mark for Wojo's second recruiting cycle (years 4-6) is currently a 5 seed (and barring a torrid end to the season will stay there). I expect the high water mark to be even higher for his third recruiting cycle and the 2020 class is a great first step towards that.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 18, 2020, 11:04:27 PM
What happens if they crap the bed at St Johns and at DePaul - after all, we have been told how hard it is to win road games in the BE?
Really feels like we'll lose at least one of those. Still can't believe we got blown out by Wisconsin and most of the fanbase is just cool with it. Fvck them.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 18, 2020, 11:05:31 PM
I think you might have the Georgetown and seton hall games mixed up.

I do, thank you
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 18, 2020, 11:08:13 PM
Huh? I think this season we are the 3rd best (behind Creighton and Seton Hall). I see no reason to expect more in the future. The high mark for Wojo's first recruiting cycle (years 1-3) was a 10 seed. The high water mark for Wojo's second recruiting cycle (years 4-6) is currently a 5 seed (and barring a torrid end to the season will stay there). I expect the high water mark to be even higher for his third recruiting cycle and the 2020 class is a great first step towards that.

Wojo's high water mark for winning tourney games is below sea level. Love it or leave it baby! You're the most counter-productive poster on this board and it ain't close.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: skianth16 on February 18, 2020, 11:11:30 PM
3.  Markus is getting the crap beat out of him.


He definitely took a hard shot tonight, but it was fine as a no call (from my view in the uppers, anyway). And I think the same was true of the shot to the nose that has now given him the mask. He plays hard and draws a lot of contact, but not everything will always be a foul.

Wojo mentioned in the postgame today that Markus leads the nation in drawing fouls. So the comments about Markus not getting enough foul calls might be a bit overblown. I'd love to see him at the line more often, but when he's already #1 in the country, I think he's getting plenty of calls to go his way.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: MUfan12 on February 18, 2020, 11:11:47 PM
In most cases, a team with the nation's leading scorer / a top NPOY candidate, loaded with upperclassmen and in the top 10 for 3pt shooting would be expected to be pretty dominant, don't you think? Wouldn't expectations be a little higher than just spending a week or two in the rankings and hoping for a 7 seed?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 21rooster on February 18, 2020, 11:11:53 PM
Unless you came into this one with a bias, this isn’t a game to trash Wojo. He came in with a defensive game plan that would have kept Creighton in the 60s if not for end-of-game fouling. In the first half they ran an offense that got a ton of open looks.  Plain and simple - the boys couldn’t hit a wide open shot to save their lives.  The design was there, but the execution was not.  They admittedly should have worked the ball inside where they were shooting a really high percentage, but it’s hard to fault the coaches for thinking wide open looks eventually had to fall.  It’s been a tough couple games against two top 20 teams, but it’s far from a disaster. 

And as for the worst era since someone on this board has been alive, feel fortunate you weren’t in the union about ready to rush Wisconsin Avenue because we were about to win the NIT...then we didn’t.  We are a school that can’t fill the student section and can’t get the sweater vests off their seats.  We’ve got a tourney team that may drop the first game or can get hot like the recent run - Better would be great, but anyone better than this runs for the hills anyways.

Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: murara1994 on February 18, 2020, 11:13:54 PM
Side note to rough game: was hilarious when Wojo called for the intentional foul but wasn’t in penalty & McDermott just took the big fella out

Do you know what would have happened if anyone else had been fouled?  Think for a minute.  They were trying to GET to the bonus to extend the game.  Didn’t matter who was fouled.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 18, 2020, 11:14:23 PM
What happens if they crap the bed at St Johns and at DePaul - after all, we have been told how hard it is to win road games in the BE?

Depends on what we do with the other 4 games. On their own, losing either of them or both really doesn't hurt us, both are Q1B games. They would be missed opportunities to improve our resume but we wouldn't be "punished" for losing those games. Win the other 4 and we are likely a 5 seed with a shot at a 4 seed depending on the BET and how the teams around us perform. Win 3/4 and we are probably looking at a 6 seed. Win 2/4 and we are looking between a 6 and 7 seed. 1 or less and we the overall record would really drag us down and I could see us falling as low as a 10 seed, but unless there are a lot of bracketbusters, I think we are already in the tournament.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 18, 2020, 11:16:48 PM
Unless you came into this one with a bias, this isn’t a game to trash Wojo. He came in with a defensive game plan that would have kept Creighton in the 60s if not for end-of-game fouling. In the first half they ran an offense that got a ton of open looks.  Plain and simple - the boys couldn’t hit a wide open shot to save their lives.  The design was there, but the execution was not.  They admittedly should have worked the ball inside where they were shooting a really high percentage, but it’s hard to fault the coaches for thinking wide open looks eventually had to fall.  It’s been a tough couple games against two top 20 teams, but it’s far from a disaster. 

And as for the worst era since someone on this board has been alive, feel fortunate you weren’t in the union about ready to rush Wisconsin Avenue because we were about to win the NIT...then we didn’t.  We are a school that can’t fill the student section and can’t get the sweater vests off their seats.  We’ve got a tourney team that may drop the first game or can get hot like the recent run - Better would be great, but anyone better than this runs for the hills anyways.
CU has no one over 6'7" and they completely shut us down at home. Weak. Soft. Weak. Soft. Mentally weak. Physically soft. Physically weak. Mentally soft.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 18, 2020, 11:19:28 PM
Depends on what we do with the other 4 games. On their own, losing either of them or both really doesn't hurt us, both are Q1B games. They would be missed opportunities to improve our resume but we wouldn't be "punished" for losing those games. Win the other 4 and we are likely a 5 seed with a shot at a 4 seed depending on the BET and how the teams around us perform. Win 3/4 and we are probably looking at a 6 seed. Win 2/4 and we are looking between a 6 and 7 seed. 1 or less and we the overall record would really drag us down and I could see us falling as low as a 10 seed, but unless there are a lot of bracketbusters, I think we are already in the tournament.
Loser perspective. Pure poison.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: CountryRoads on February 18, 2020, 11:20:34 PM
Do you know what would have happened if anyone else had been fouled?  Think for a minute.  They were trying to GET to the bonus to extend the game.  Didn’t matter who was fouled.

Yeah, even though I once saw Mac lose a game up 5 with under 1 second to go, we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt that he would have taken the kid that couldn’t shoot free throws out when they got to the bonus.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 18, 2020, 11:21:17 PM
Wojo's high water mark for winning tourney games is below sea level. Love it or leave it baby! You're the most counter-productive poster on this board and it ain't close.

I don't know what "most counter-productive poster" means but thank you?

Yep, Wojo hasn't won any NCAA games. Honestly, I don't care that much in terms of evaluating Wojo's performance so far. I think the idea that beating a 7 seed or a 12 seed somehow changes Wojo's record so far from bad to good is laughable. Best way to win games that matter (Elite 8 or above) is to consistently earn high seeds. You do that and the March wins will come eventually (unless you're Mick Cronin).
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Johnny B on February 18, 2020, 11:22:20 PM
Loser perspective. Pure poison.
Aw dont like reasonable thought out sentiments? Go grab a coloring book and sit in the corner
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 21rooster on February 18, 2020, 11:25:05 PM
CU has no one over 6'7" and they completely shut us down at home. Weak. Soft. Weak. Soft. Mentally weak. Physically soft. Physically weak. Mentally soft.

Are you old enough to remember when Lazar was our center?  Good teams turn their weaknesses into strengths.  This is a very good Creighton team, and we would have had them beaten if we could hit a wide open shot.  If you’ve played sports, you know that sometimes there are nights like this.  Against a really good team, you can’t overcome a night where the open looks aren’t falling. 
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: JWags85 on February 18, 2020, 11:30:56 PM
He definitely took a hard shot tonight, but it was fine as a no call (from my view in the uppers, anyway). And I think the same was true of the shot to the nose that has now given him the mask. He plays hard and draws a lot of contact, but not everything will always be a foul.

Wojo mentioned in the postgame today that Markus leads the nation in drawing fouls. So the comments about Markus not getting enough foul calls might be a bit overblown. I'd love to see him at the line more often, but when he's already #1 in the country, I think he's getting plenty of calls to go his way.

He draws a lot of fouls and is a AA and NPOY candidate, so when he’s not getting calls, something feels off. Creighton hedged AGGRESSIVELY at the top of the key and multiple times, especially in the first half, he would get knocked almost off his dribble with no call. Not to mention getting grabbed on handoffs. That plus 2-3 diff drives in the second half where he was fouls going to the rim or shooting without calls. Hell, when Zagarowski fouled him on the drive and he got FTs, i thought it was less contact than multiple other times. It’s certainly not the reason MU lost, but it didn’t help him or the team get in any sort of rhythm.

And that’s going to be a big key for Creighton in the tourney. If they are allowed to play handsy, grabby defense (Huggins era Cincy style), they will take you off your game and succeed. If not, they could be in trouble
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Mutaman on February 18, 2020, 11:41:06 PM
A top 25 team and a likely 6 or 7 seed? Yes. That's the program we have. And that's fine.

I agree that we need to win a tournament game this year.

Getting embarrassed in a big game on your home court when you are a 3 point fav is not 'fine".
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 18, 2020, 11:45:14 PM
Aw dont like reasonable thought out sentiments? Go grab a coloring book and sit in the corner
Love being average. Love it. Hate anyone who hates it.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Johnny B on February 18, 2020, 11:47:02 PM
Love being average. Love it. Hate anyone who hates it.

This ain't average. We are ranked top 20. 2 losses to top 15 teams and you lose your crapt.what do you expect each year Duke like results
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: BM1090 on February 18, 2020, 11:49:58 PM
Getting embarrassed in a big game on your home court when you are a 3 point fav is not 'fine".

College kids. Inconsist. Missed open shots. crap happens.

If we're bad on Saturday I'll start getting concerned.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 18, 2020, 11:52:29 PM
I don't know what "most counter-productive poster" means but thank you?

Yep, Wojo hasn't won any NCAA games. Honestly, I don't care that much in terms of evaluating Wojo's performance so far. I think the idea that beating a 7 seed or a 12 seed somehow changes Wojo's record so far from bad to good is laughable. Best way to win games that matter (Elite 8 or above) is to consistently earn high seeds. You do that and the March wins will come eventually (unless you're Mick Cronin).

Yeah tourney games are statistically insignificant in your world. Just one game. You have a large portion of the board buying into your bullshít. Explaining away everything with "metrics" that fit your loser perspective. Pure poison. Wojo can't win when it matters.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Boozemon Barro on February 19, 2020, 12:03:13 AM

This ain't average. We are ranked top 20. 2 losses to top 15 teams and you lose your crapt.what do you expect each year Duke like results
What are Marquette like results in your world? Never winning important games?
 Recruiting better than your conference foes and losing? What are our chances of winnimg the Big East tournament right now? >10%? Hey we got great recruits coming in next year! Hopefully we can get an 8 seed and have a good matchup!!
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 21rooster on February 19, 2020, 12:07:26 AM
NET ranking is 19.  334 other teams would gladly take MU’s spot in the ranking that matters most to the committee.  Play in the best conference in college basketball and you sometimes lose two in a row...to top 20 teams.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 12:38:26 AM
NET ranking is 19.  334 other teams would gladly take MU’s spot in the ranking that matters most to the committee.  Play in the best conference in college basketball and you sometimes lose two in a row...to top 20 teams.

This.

Maybe you guys should go cheer for Duke if this isn’t good enough for you.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: bilsu on February 19, 2020, 12:46:05 AM
Playing their best ball of the year coming into 2 top league games and could not even compete to be a threat to win in either.   

Wojo = mediocrity.  Get used to it.
I was hoping for a split and I figured we had to beat Villanova to do it. Creighton is a better team than MU, but I do not think Villanova is.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 19, 2020, 01:06:07 AM
Welp, this is a dumpster fire. See y'all Saturday.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 1SE on February 19, 2020, 01:07:18 AM
Disappointing. Would have like to see us better prepared and coming out with a bit more fire after a week off. Winning 2 of 3 from Butler, @Nova and Creighton would have had us in great shape. No need to pull the rip cord but we need to win 4 of the next 5 to get us "above" expectations.

5 points off the bench is tough.

Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Shooter McGavin on February 19, 2020, 02:51:25 AM
End of the day, Creighton is really good, and simply better than we are.  Those three guards they have are problematic.

Don't think we need to offer up the "we missed a bunch of open" shots explanation, that has now become the go to rationale for losses.  Creighton defended really well, just as we defended them pretty well.

Live and die by the three - yet tonight Theo was highly efficient inside and we rarely attempted to play through him.

Just watched the game. Knew we had lost ahead of time and had no emotional stake in the game because of it.   MU missed ridiculously wide open shots that had zero to do with Creightons defense. 

MU defense was also very good but Creighton just has the weapons on offense to make you pay for any mistakes or for leaving them open (which did not happen often).  They also made shots that were well defended, a credit to them.

My fear before the came was that MU would play well defensively in the beginning of the game and not be rewarded for it by having a poor offensive showing and that is how it played out.  Had we gotten off to a better start offensively and built some momentum the game is closer than 9 points and might have been a win.

Credit to Creighton.  They are the better team.  But I still think MU is a good team and could have an NCAA run if they get on a roll offensively.  Need to win this weekend!  Go MU!
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: willie warrior on February 19, 2020, 04:37:30 AM
Hmmmm...
Lots of excuses above for WORTHY Wojo
Does it appear that Wojo is heading toward another meltdown in the stretch? He has become polished at that, hasn't he?
Wojo again getting his ass handed to him by a mid major
Oh well...bring out the usual suspects...addition by subtraction...
Wojo has us trending in the right direction...if we made the shots...Wojo cant shoot for the players...etc
Another slip slop down the stretch. Having lost 2 in a row when wins are needed and we are now limping along in the middle of the pack while other are competing for the top of BEast
Will we be an 8th place team?
We are a mediocre team led? by a mediocre coach
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: willie warrior on February 19, 2020, 04:39:58 AM
The Projos can call names with no consequences. I love it.

But to address the spirit of your post. Do you really think the underlying point of my posts is to promote DePaul? That was one thread. At the end of the day, it’s about how Marquette is mediocre and Projos like you (yes you!) have accepted mediocrity.

Comprehension level 4/10 - you can do better.
No he cant. Name calling is his kindergarten forte.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: willie warrior on February 19, 2020, 04:42:57 AM
Depends on what we do with the other 4 games. On their own, losing either of them or both really doesn't hurt us, both are Q1B games. They would be missed opportunities to improve our resume but we wouldn't be "punished" for losing those games. Win the other 4 and we are likely a 5 seed with a shot at a 4 seed depending on the BET and how the teams around us perform. Win 3/4 and we are probably looking at a 6 seed. Win 2/4 and we are looking between a 6 and 7 seed. 1 or less and we the overall record would really drag us down and I could see us falling as low as a 10 seed, but unless there are a lot of bracketbusters, I think we are already in the tournament.
Good excuses
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: willie warrior on February 19, 2020, 04:48:21 AM
Disappointing. Would have like to see us better prepared and coming out with a bit more fire after a week off. Winning 2 of 3 from Butler, @Nova and Creighton would have had us in great shape. No need to pull the rip cord but we need to win 4 of the next 5 to get us "above" expectations.

5 points off the bench is tough.
4 of the next 5 could happen, but more likely losses.Wojo down the stretch.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Johnny B on February 19, 2020, 04:50:17 AM
Go back to sleep old man
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 19, 2020, 05:02:56 AM
Marquette is 7-6 in the Big East.

1-4 against the three teams above them
1-2 against the two teams they are tied with
5-0 against the four teams below them

We are who we are.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: willie warrior on February 19, 2020, 05:50:04 AM
Go back to sleep old man
just the facts Mam.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2020, 06:02:48 AM
just the facts Mam.

Why don’t you post after wins? 
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: HowardsWorld on February 19, 2020, 06:29:28 AM
Took my buddy with me yesterday who has only watched one other game the whole year which was also with me against Purdue. About 5 mins into the game he turns to me and says what offense are they running. I said exactly my issue with the team. Everyone standing around the 3 line. About 2 mins left in the first have he says Creighton is just playing a 3-2 defense because they have no one to get to the hoop with.

If someone who doesn't even follow college basketball much less Marquette can pick that up while drinking beers then I think that speaks to the volume of the coaching.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 06:41:50 AM
Took my buddy with me yesterday who has only watched one other game the whole year which was also with me against Purdue. About 5 mins into the game he turns to me and says what offense are they running. I said exactly my issue with the team. Everyone standing around the 3 line. About 2 mins left in the first have he says Creighton is just playing a 3-2 defense because they have no one to get to the hoop with.

If someone who doesn't even follow college basketball much less Marquette can pick that up while drinking beers then I think that speaks to the volume of the coaching.
Our offensive system is trash and gets bailed out by Markus being Markus half the time
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: HutchwasClutch on February 19, 2020, 06:45:56 AM
Took my buddy with me yesterday who has only watched one other game the whole year which was also with me against Purdue. About 5 mins into the game he turns to me and says what offense are they running. I said exactly my issue with the team. Everyone standing around the 3 line. About 2 mins left in the first have he says Creighton is just playing a 3-2 defense because they have no one to get to the hoop with.

If someone who doesn't even follow college basketball much less Marquette can pick that up while drinking beers then I think that speaks to the volume of the coaching.

Absolutely agree.  Problems go so much deeper than just missing open looks, coaches can’t hit shots for the players, etc.

Creighton is unbelievably soft inside, but 3 balls kept going up and missing, instead of attacking the hoop, working in the paint, etc.  John is no offensive stud we know, but he was 6/6 from field last night because Creighton is so weak defending the paint. Yet, that was never an emphasis to attack the paint last night.

That and turnovers, general sloppiness with the ball reared it’s ugly head again, especially in the 2nd half. 

Sure need a win Saturday, or this could snowball quickly like end of last season. None of remaining games are close to gimmes.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: BallBoy on February 19, 2020, 06:58:05 AM
What are Marquette like results in your world? Never winning important games?
 Recruiting better than your conference foes and losing? What are our chances of winnimg the Big East tournament right now? >10%? Hey we got great recruits coming in next year! Hopefully we can get an 8 seed and have a good matchup!!
MU has only won one conference tournament since 1980. Crean played in one conference final. buzz none. Wojo none. MU hasn’t been a conference tournament team period. You hold that against Wojo but at the end of the day only one coach would be successful under your definition.

Taking that point away , MU is one out of 10 teams so that would align to your 10% and not be a negative. I think Creighton and Seton Hall are your favorites and probably closer to  20% each. Depaul and StJ probably close to 1%. Same with Georgetown. I would put MU in the 10%-15% likelihood and still see that as a positive.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 19, 2020, 06:58:23 AM
Our offense has been fine for most of Wojo’s tenure. We had plenty of good looks yesterday. Just didn’t hit them. If a second scorer isn’t hot from deep, they’re in a lot of trouble.  That’s what happened yesterday.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: tower912 on February 19, 2020, 07:05:41 AM
A lot of trolls on here, but #3 is such a homer comment. Are you suggesting MH was fouled tonight and it wasn’t called?
Are you referring to Jayce’s rake of his face? The blocking call?
Not sure what you are referring to with that comment.
If I had meant that, I would have said that.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Warrior of Law on February 19, 2020, 07:05:49 AM
It would really help to have a reliable 2nd scorer.  BB can be just terrible at times, Koby & Sacar cannot be counted on either. Hate to say it, but the difference between a .500 BE team and a upper level BE team is at UVA.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: lurch91 on February 19, 2020, 07:09:58 AM
Love being average. Love it. Hate anyone who hates it.

Sooooo, MU is one of the best 30 men's basketball teams in the country. How many men's basketball teams are there? Believe it or not, there's 350.  MU is in the top 10% of all men's basketball teams.  Even if you say only 100 of those teams really matter each year, we're in the top 30%.

We all want to win games in March. We all want to win important games. But to declare the sky is falling ever damn time we lose a game is so childish.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 19, 2020, 07:12:23 AM
We don’t show up to the big games. Looks like another first round exit
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2020, 07:16:03 AM
No he cant. Name calling is his kindergarten forte.

Based on the quality of your posts I’m not sure you ever made it through pre-school. What was school like back in the 1920s, anyway?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: muguru on February 19, 2020, 07:16:42 AM
Marquette is 7-6 in the Big East.

1-4 against the three teams above them
1-2 against the two teams they are tied with
5-0 against the four teams below them

We are who we are.

And this right here is what I have been lamenting..every time they have had a chance to do something "bigger and better", they haven't gotten it done. That has happened a lot under Wojo
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: cheebs09 on February 19, 2020, 07:20:38 AM
Our offense has been fine for most of Wojo’s tenure. We had plenty of good looks yesterday. Just didn’t hit them. If a second scorer isn’t hot from deep, they’re in a lot of trouble.  That’s what happened yesterday.

I think Joe put it really well on Scrambled Eggs. If you close your eyes while we are on offense, and just look at stats, you would have a more positive view on the offense. It doesn’t necessarily look like good basketball, but it is an efficient offense.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: tower912 on February 19, 2020, 07:32:27 AM
Wojo's offense is a success in that it gets players in position to take open shots.   That is the point of every offense.    To maximize the talents of the players you have and get them the ball in places where they can get open looks.    The players have to hit the shots.   Last night, MU had all of the open looks they could ask for.    They didn't make them.    No  offense looks good on bad shooting nights.   

Creighton's offense is really good because McDammit has made a virtue out of necessity, much like Buzz did during the midget year.   He has a bunch of guards with size who can dribble, drive, pass, and shoot.   So he is maximizing his strengths.   They are incredibly disciplined in that they can make what looks from the outside to be virtually blind passes, but they know where their teammate is going to be.   And they have been the best team in the Big East for the last month because of it.   

Marquette actually played decent defense last night, holding Creighton under their season average.    Wojo tried zone.    He tried a 4 guard set for a few minutes.       But in the end, poor shooting was too much to overcome, like it usually is.   
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 19, 2020, 07:34:01 AM
Wojo's offense is a success in that it gets players in position to take open shots.   That is the point of every offense.    To maximize the talents of the players you have and get them the ball in places where they can get open looks.    The players have to hit the shots.  Last night, MU had all of the open looks they could ask for.    They didn't make them.    No  offense looks good on bad shooting nights.   

Creighton's offense is really good because McDammit has made a virtue out of necessity, much like Buzz did during the midget year.   He has a bunch of guards with size who can dribble, drive, pass, and shoot.   So he is maximizing his strengths.   They are incredibly disciplined in that they can make what looks from the outside to be virtually blind passes, but they know where their teammate is going to be.   And they have been the best team in the Big East for the last month because of it.   

Marquette actually played decent defense last night, holding Creighton under their season average.    Wojo tried zone.    He tried a 4 guard set for a few minutes.       But in the end, poor shooting was too much to overcome, like it usually is.
If you look at it this way, one if not the worst shooting game of the season and we only lost by 8
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: NickelDimer on February 19, 2020, 08:01:04 AM
We took and missed a lot of open 3’s last night. Unfortunately what we didn’t do was exploit their weakness inside. I have a tough time giving Wojo credit for designing a gameplan that lead to a bunch of open 3’s considering the matchup weakness of the opponent.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 19, 2020, 08:02:47 AM
Hope? Hope our guys find some nads and play like guys with nads. Not gonna hold my breath.

MU82 enters the chat.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 08:06:28 AM
I think Joe put it really well on Scrambled Eggs. If you close your eyes while we are on offense, and just look at stats, you would have a more positive view on the offense. It doesn’t necessarily look like good basketball, but it is an efficient offense.
This is mainly because we have the best offensive player in the world on our team. He routinely makes terrible shots and draws 3 guys to him every time he dribbles the basketball.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 19, 2020, 08:15:42 AM
It would really help to have a reliable 2nd scorer.  BB can be just terrible at times, Koby & Sacar cannot be counted on either. Hate to say it, but the difference between a .500 BE team and a upper level BE team is at UVA.

No matter that a few morons insist that Sam and Joey leaving was “addition by subtraction” - you are spot on. With Sacar and Koby our 4th and 5th scoring option and BB coming off the bench this team would be much, much better.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: mu_hilltopper on February 19, 2020, 08:16:25 AM
Marquette is 7-6 in the Big East.

1-4 against the three teams above them
1-2 against the two teams they are tied with
5-0 against the four teams below them

We are who we are.

Thanks, Fluffy BM, I was looking for that.

Remaining games:Above/Loss Seton Hall
Tied/Maybe Prov
Below/Win Gtown, DePaul, SJU
So .. 3 more wins somewhere in there hopefully.  10-8.   


Yay, another 5-6th place BE finish. 
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 19, 2020, 08:16:40 AM
We took and missed a lot of open 3’s last night. Unfortunately what we didn’t do was exploit their weakness inside. I have a tough time giving Wojo credit for designing a gameplan that lead to a bunch of open 3’s considering the matchup weakness of the opponent.

Theo had more pts than he's had in awhile. Jayce could've scored more. What do you expect without a PF like Lazar or Jae who can play inside
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: NCMUFan on February 19, 2020, 08:19:33 AM
McDermott and crew has one of the fastest teams after a made basket.  Seemed like they were initiating their offense while we were scrambling to find our defensive assignments.

Too many missed open looks.  Everyone was missing tonight. We hit our average on those open threes, we win.
Good point.  Creighton went on the attack the moment they got the ball.  MU to lackadaisical initially, and then to late after the Creighton player blew by them.
But we could of won if we could hit a shot.
Oh well, let us win at Providence. Go MU!
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 19, 2020, 08:20:49 AM
Theo had more pts than he's had in awhile. Jayce could've scored more. What do you expect without a PF like Lazar or Jae who can play inside
We need a guy like Creighton's Damien Jefferson
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: NCMUFan on February 19, 2020, 08:23:24 AM
No matter that a few morons insist that Sam and Joey leaving was “addition by subtraction” - you are spot on. With Sacar and Koby our 4th and 5th scoring option and BB coming off the bench this team would be much, much better.
Yes, the Hauser brothers were a talented pair, but that is water over the dam.
Credit the others for stepping up and improving throughout the season.  Last night, the shots were just off for everyone.
Hopefully they fall through the hoop this Saturday. 
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 19, 2020, 08:28:16 AM
Hausergate killed the balance on this team. 
Its a pretty easy recipe to beat marquette when you have one legitimate scorer thats extremely undersized and can be easily trapped, no consistent second shooter or slasher, and no athletic post play / threat at the rim.

We needed those buzz era juco transfers this year bad!!!!!
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: NCMUFan on February 19, 2020, 08:39:23 AM
Dwight B, Jimmy B and Jae C were great gets.
Buzz had ties to the JUCO ranks.
Davidson coach Bob McKillop has great ties to Europe student players and the Davidson team is loaded with them every year.
Let Wojo recruit to his strengths.
It is nice to dream about the past, but it is only a dream.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: StillWarriors on February 19, 2020, 08:39:36 AM
Good point.  Creighton went on the attack the moment they got the ball.  MU to lackadaisical initially, and then to late after the Creighton player blew by them.
But we could of won if we could hit a shot.
Oh well, let us win at Providence. Go MU!

Despite it being frustrating as the opponent, I thought Creighton's offense was fun to watch and impressive despite the fact they didn't shoot great. They constantly have you under attack and seem to make the right decisions offensively most of the time. MU worked hard to fight over screens and deny the ball at times, but Creighton had great counters with back door cuts and dribble drives where they dumped it off to wide open guys after our help D contested the drive. Frustrating team to play against. Yes, they'll be vulnerable when they don't shoot great, but they have a lot of weapons to go to and must be hard to prepare for in a tourney setting v. unfamiliar opponents. They have a great shot to win conference. I wouldn't mind that as they are much more likable to me than Hall.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: NickelDimer on February 19, 2020, 08:42:09 AM
Theo had more pts than he's had in awhile. Jayce could've scored more. What do you expect without a PF like Lazar or Jae who can play inside
I expect our guards + BB to attack the basket. They had no inside presence to fear yet we once again sat on the perimeter chucking way too many possessions
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 19, 2020, 08:44:50 AM
Good excuses

Did you quote the wrong post here? Literally was explaining how the selection committee views  Q1 losses and making predictions on seeding depending on our record down the stretch. What could be interpreted as an excuse?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: skianth16 on February 19, 2020, 08:50:20 AM

As absurd as this may sound, I think Wojo outcoached McD in the first half. I'll need to rewatch to be sure, but my impression was that our D was playing really well and forcing them into bad shots. Our O was getting wide open looks....that refused to fall. Even a slightly below average shooting night would have given us a halftime lead.


I get what you're saying here, and I agree that our defensive gameplan was very good. But I don't think it outweighs Creighton being able to hold Markus scoreless and hold MU as a team to just 22. Sure, we missed some good looks, but Creighton's gameplan worked well, especially against Markus. When we score 22 and are down 10 at the half, the other coach definitely did a lot of things right.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 08:51:23 AM
I expect our guards + BB to attack the basket. They had no inside presence to fear yet we once again sat on the perimeter chucking way too many possessions
Their confidence has to be shot due to how bad we are from 2. We're 291 in 2 pt FG%. Absurdly bad. On "close" two's we're 282...
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 08:52:54 AM
We don’t show up to the big games. Looks like another first round exit

Why didn't Butler count as big game?  Because it doesn't fit the narrative?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 08:54:21 AM
Why didn't Butler count as big game?  Because it doesn't fit the narrative?
Hand up, I don't think Butler is that good.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 08:58:44 AM
Hand up, I don't think Butler is that good.

Bet it would have counted as a big game if we lost it.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 09:07:58 AM
Bet it would have counted as a big game if we lost it.
Home against this Butler team is a game we should win. I think they're a similar team to us (second tier BE team). Big games in the BE are the top 3 teams which we are 1-4 against.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 19, 2020, 09:09:17 AM
Their confidence has to be shot due to how bad we are from 2. We're 291 in 2 pt FG%. Absurdly bad. On "close" two's we're 282...

If there was anything that gave me concern about Wojo this season, it is this. I thought with the Hausers leaving and Jayce coming in, we would have to change into a much more paint oriented team. I thought the additions of Greg, Jayce, and Koby, along with improvement from Sacar, Jamal, and Theo would lead to more slashing, post ups, and passing out of the paint. I give Wojo credit for taking guys like Bailey, Cain, Sacar, and Elliott and turning them into solid three point shooters, but the lack of slashing ability is really concerning. Wojo's offensive system is effective for sure, but I wonder if the pieces we have would have been better suited in a different approach.

Will be interesting if Karim Mane does come on board. My impression of him is that he is an okay shooter but an elite slasher.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Windyplayer on February 19, 2020, 09:09:43 AM
Thanks, Fluffy BM, I was looking for that.

Remaining games:Above/Loss Seton Hall
Tied/Maybe Prov
Below/Win Gtown, DePaul, SJU
So .. 3 more wins somewhere in there hopefully.  10-8.   


Yay, another 5-6th place BE finish.
Three of those Ls on the road, I might add.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: NickelDimer on February 19, 2020, 09:10:32 AM
If there was anything that gave me concern about Wojo this season, it is this. I thought with the Hausers leaving and Jayce coming in, we would have to change into a much more paint oriented team. I thought the additions of Greg, Jayce, and Koby, along with improvement from Sacar, Jamal, and Theo would lead to more slashing, post ups, and passing out of the paint. I give Wojo credit for taking guys like Bailey, Cain, Sacar, and Elliott and turning them into solid three point shooters, but the lack of slashing ability is really concerning. Wojo's offensive system is effective for sure, but I wonder if the pieces we have would have been better suited in a different approach.

Will be interesting if Karim Mane does come on board. My impression of him is that he is an okay shooter but an elite slasher.
Yes. Especially when the matchup advantage is there like it was last night.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Windyplayer on February 19, 2020, 09:10:56 AM
Hand up, I don't think Butler is that good.
Lol
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 09:13:08 AM
Lol
Since 1/10 they are 5-6.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 09:15:26 AM
Since 1/10 they are 5-6.

Since 1/11 we are 6-3.  Most of that time you disappeared from here.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 09:16:35 AM
Since 1/11 we are 6-3.  Most of that time you disappeared from here.
Who did we play during that stretch? We gonna brag about beating the blind and the deaf? Butler lost to DePaul and Providence (home) in that stretch.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Jockey on February 19, 2020, 09:18:05 AM
I expect our guards + BB to attack the basket. They had no inside presence to fear yet we once again sat on the perimeter chucking way too many possessions

BB averages about 3/4 of ONE free throw a game. He never has and never will "attack the basket".

The most likely occurrence when Koby attacks the basket is a turnover or a miss.


We saw a Creighton team that attacked the basket all night long. That is why they won.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 09:18:20 AM
Who did we play during that stretch? We gonna brag about beating the blind and the deaf?

You realize all of the Big East is in the top 70 right?  There are no easy opponents.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: SaveOD238 on February 19, 2020, 09:20:10 AM
Their confidence has to be shot due to how bad we are from 2. We're 291 in 2 pt FG%. Absurdly bad. On "close" two's we're 282...

People on here complaining about Wojo's game plan of us not "taking the ball inside" and "settling for threes" seem to completely miss this point.  Our post players are excellent defenders and rebounders, but not scorers.  Even our forwards (Bailey, Cain) aren't particularly skilled at scoring near the basket.  The stats bear this out.

But we ARE one of the best three point shooting teams in the country.  15th in 3P% and 7th three-point makes per game.  Play to your strengths. I actually really liked some of the offensive sets that started with Markus off ball in the corner.  He would draw their best defender and usually some help to one side of the floor, which gave the others some room to work.  This often leads to open threes.

Unfortunately we clanked a lot of shots last night.  If we shoot our normal 38% we win.  Live by the three, die by the three.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: skianth16 on February 19, 2020, 09:21:07 AM
It would really help to have a reliable 2nd scorer.  BB can be just terrible at times, Koby & Sacar cannot be counted on either. Hate to say it, but the difference between a .500 BE team and a upper level BE team is at UVA.

I agree with most of this, but I think we're more in need of a guy who wants to be a scorer, more than another guy who is a consistent scorer. Sacar has been the clear #2 all season, and Koby has been pretty reliable in conference play. The issue is that our guys look to Markus a little too much when we need a bucket. Sacar and Koby are both capable of getting us points when we need them, but that doesn't seem to be their first instinct.

And then there's Brendan, who has a high ceiling but takes himself out of games at times. I know there were some saying Bailey is a consistent player in some other threads, but that's just not right. His stat lines yo-yo around a lot, and he goes through stretches where he just doesn't seem to have any confidence on offense. If we could get him involved in every game (I know, easier said than done), we could be a more balanced team.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: NickelDimer on February 19, 2020, 09:21:20 AM
BB averages about 3/4 of ONE free throw a game. He never has and never will "attack the basket".

The most likely occurrence when Koby attacks the basket is a turnover or a miss.


We saw a Creighton team that attacked the basket all night long. That is why they won.
Agree Koby’s a mixed bag attacking but he’s really good at drawing calls. Anim is more than capable.  Bailey, while he doesn’t do it as much as he should definitely has the skill set to do it consistently. And Markus we know can do it. Unfortunately none of them did it to the degree they should have last night. That’s coaching imo
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: We R Final Four on February 19, 2020, 09:21:49 AM
It looks like hes getting beat up because they  have a practice squad around him trying to compete in high major ball

That's why hey?  Man you are an idiot.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 09:21:54 AM
You realize all of the Big East is in the top 70 right?  There are no easy opponents.
Are we counting the ~200 CBB teams that dont matter when comparing the top 70 to a total?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: UWW2MU on February 19, 2020, 09:25:22 AM
Sincere thank you to Tower, TAMU, and others who actually dissected the team's performance of the game last night. 

It's unfortunate that after every loss we can't take the time to actually evaluate what happened because most of the time is spent arguing opinions on how disappointed we should be. 

If you come on the board just to vent your frustrations after a loss, you're doing nothing productive except spreading misery on top of the let down already felt after a loss.  You're either selfish and blind to how you come across to others or you're a trolling badger fan.   Former: You must suck to talk to at parties... be better.  Latter: Kudos, you're doing great!

Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 09:27:15 AM
Are we counting the ~200 CBB teams that dont matter when comparing the top 70 to a total?

So you think only games against top 25 or so teams matter because they are the good teams?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 09:27:33 AM
Sincere thank you to Tower, TAMU, and others who actually dissected the team's performance of the game last night. 

It's unfortunate that after every loss we can't take the time to actually evaluate what happened because most of the time is spent arguing opinions on how disappointed we should be. 

If you come on the board just to vent your frustrations after a loss, you're doing nothing productive except spreading misery on top of the let down already felt after a loss.  You're either selfish and blind to how you come across to others or you're a trolling badger fan.   Former: You must suck to talk to at parties... be better.  Latter: Kudos, you're doing great!
"2.  But if MU made open shots, they still would have won.
3.  Markus is getting the crap beat out of him.
4.  That is it. "

Really dissected the game there.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 09:28:33 AM
So you think only games against top 25 or so teams matter because they are the good teams?
Where did I say that? I just don't think we should include the ~200 irrelevant teams when talking about total CBB teams.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 09:29:44 AM
Where did I say that?

You weren't impressed teams being in the top 70.  Where is the line where you think a win is a good win?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: NickelDimer on February 19, 2020, 09:30:19 AM
People on here complaining about Wojo's game plan of us not "taking the ball inside" and "settling for threes" seem to completely miss this point.  Our post players are excellent defenders and rebounders, but not scorers.  Even our forwards (Bailey, Cain) aren't particularly skilled at scoring near the basket.  The stats bear this out.

But we ARE one of the best three point shooting teams in the country.  15th in 3P% and 7th three-point makes per game.  Play to your strengths. I actually really liked some of the offensive sets that started with Markus off ball in the corner.  He would draw their best defender and usually some help to one side of the floor, which gave the others some room to work.  This often leads to open threes.

Unfortunately we clanked a lot of shots last night.  If we shoot our normal 38% we win.  Live by the three, die by the three.
Couple things; first there are many ways to score in the paint that don’t involve throwing it down low to a big. Second, CU is equally effective from 3 but were just as cold as we were so McDermott adjusted by pushing tempo and attacking. They took 10 fewer 3’s/10 more 2’s and won the game because of it. Once again we saw Wojo’s lack of a counterpunch.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 09:31:04 AM
You weren't impressed teams being in the top 70.  Where is the line where you think a win is a good win?
There's no black or white. I'm not counting beating DePaul a good win
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 09:32:09 AM
There's no black or white. I'm not counting beating DePaul a good win

Xavier a good win? Butler? Georgetown? Providence?   
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 09:32:53 AM
Xavier a good win? Butler? Georgetown? Providence?
@Butler would be a good win.

H/A against the top 3, A vs similar teams are good wins IMO.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 19, 2020, 09:33:17 AM
@Butler would be a good win.
Same with any other road game in the conference
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 09:33:54 AM
Same with any other road game in the conference
@ DePaul will never be a good win. Agree to disagree. My standards are higher.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Eldon on February 19, 2020, 09:35:05 AM
I don't really know how to explain it, but Creighton just looked "smarter." Backdoor cuts, knowing when/where to pass, etc.

They have a collectively higher "bball IQ."

Anyway, no shame losing to an overall better team. If we were hitting the open shots yesterday, McD would have adjusted.

We play this Creighton team 100 times, they win 89 times.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 09:35:55 AM
I don't really know how to explain it, but Creighton just looked "smarter." Backdoor cuts, knowing when/where to pass, etc.
I mean.. we know, but some people don't want to admit it. It all starts in practice.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 19, 2020, 09:38:53 AM
@Butler would be a good win.

So Butler must be a good team if you'd consider that a good win.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on February 19, 2020, 09:39:29 AM
So Butler must be a good team if you'd consider that a good win.
Like I said, road wins vs equal opponents is a good win. I think Butler is equal to us. I also don't think we're a good team.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 19, 2020, 09:57:33 AM
If there was anything that gave me concern about Wojo this season, it is this. I thought with the Hausers leaving and Jayce coming in, we would have to change into a much more paint oriented team. I thought the additions of Greg, Jayce, and Koby, along with improvement from Sacar, Jamal, and Theo would lead to more slashing, post ups, and passing out of the paint. I give Wojo credit for taking guys like Bailey, Cain, Sacar, and Elliott and turning them into solid three point shooters, but the lack of slashing ability is really concerning. Wojo's offensive system is effective for sure, but I wonder if the pieces we have would have been better suited in a different approach.

Will be interesting if Karim Mane does come on board. My impression of him is that he is an okay shooter but an elite slasher.

As usual, spot on (highlighted). Wojo seems to believe in a narrowly focused/talented offense and (my main criticism of him) lacks a believable Plan B threat as an alternative.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: lurch91 on February 19, 2020, 09:58:22 AM
Nvm
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 19, 2020, 10:00:01 AM
If there was anything that gave me concern about Wojo this season, it is this. I thought with the Hausers leaving and Jayce coming in, we would have to change into a much more paint oriented team. I thought the additions of Greg, Jayce, and Koby, along with improvement from Sacar, Jamal, and Theo would lead to more slashing, post ups, and passing out of the paint. I give Wojo credit for taking guys like Bailey, Cain, Sacar, and Elliott and turning them into solid three point shooters, but the lack of slashing ability is really concerning. Wojo's offensive system is effective for sure, but I wonder if the pieces we have would have been better suited in a different approach.

Will be interesting if Karim Mane does come on board. My impression of him is that he is an okay shooter but an elite slasher.

This has been an ongoing problem with Wojo's offense since he has been here.  When we have Rowsey, Sam and Markus hitting, all is good.  But it always looks like our wing players are slow to attack.  Sacar, Jamal, etc. look tentative and slow.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 21rooster on February 19, 2020, 10:15:52 AM
If I recall correctly, we actually did slash quite a bit.  Creighton’s game plan seemed to be to all collapse on the slasher.  This generally led to turnovers or wide open threes on kick-outs, which is exactly what you want.  That is particularly true in a game like last night, when the officials decided to generally let the kids play through contact on both ends of the court, particularly in the first half.   They effectively used the drive and kick against Butler.  In the Butler game, the open shots went in.  That didn’t happen last night. 
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Jockey on February 19, 2020, 10:20:24 AM
I don't really know how to explain it, but Creighton just looked "smarter." Backdoor cuts, knowing when/where to pass, etc.

They have a collectively higher "bball IQ."

Anyway, no shame losing to an overall better team. If we were hitting the open shots yesterday, McD would have adjusted.

We play this Creighton team 100 times, they win 89 times.

I had the same thoughts. When they struggled with hitting 3s early on, they went to both mid-range shots and driving to the basket. And they had numerous players who could do that. Besides being our best 3 point shooter, unfortunately, MH is also our best mid-range player and best driver.

Creighton was clearly the better team (I also said to a friend while watching the game that they would beat us 8 times out of 10, so we're on the same wavelength there).
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Elonsmusk on February 19, 2020, 10:30:30 AM
In most cases, a team with the nation's leading scorer / a top NPOY candidate, loaded with upperclassmen and in the top 10 for 3pt shooting would be expected to be pretty dominant, don't you think? Wouldn't expectations be a little higher than just spending a week or two in the rankings and hoping for a 7 seed?

Lots of wisdom here.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 19, 2020, 10:47:23 AM
@ DePaul will never be a good win. Agree to disagree. My standards are higher.
Loss would be better?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: lurch91 on February 19, 2020, 11:04:34 AM
@Butler would be a good win.

H/A against the top 3, A vs similar teams are good wins IMO.
So for the best team in any conference, there are no good wins? Seton Hall had no good wins when they were undefeated in conference?  At that point they were head and shoulder better than the rest of the conference - so no one was similar to them.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Windyplayer on February 19, 2020, 11:20:33 AM
Folks, we can all agree that the Big East is a whale of conference this year leaving even the top tier teams bloodied and bruised. Butler and SHU square of tonight - both with 7 losses - with one joining us with 8 losses after the final whistle (yes, the Pirates could have 8 losses after tonight's game). First place Villanova has 6 losses.

Everyone is taking their lumps. Let's try to take it as well as the players.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: tower912 on February 19, 2020, 11:22:51 AM
Fie upon you and your 'big picture perspective'!   This is a place for mindless mewling only!   
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Shooter McGavin on February 19, 2020, 11:31:33 AM
If you look at it this way, one if not the worst shooting game of the season and we only lost by 8

This.  But unfortunately it is an L and we are moving backwards offensively again at the wrong part of the season.

The only season the offense started clicking on all cylinders at the end of the year was JJs last year. Unfortunately we ran into a physical SC team in the tournament and they wore us down.   That was Wojos best “year end” offensive team to date.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 21rooster on February 19, 2020, 11:40:07 AM
This.  But unfortunately it is an L and we are moving backwards offensively again at the wrong part of the season.

The only season the offense started clicking on all cylinders at the end of the year was JJs last year. Unfortunately we ran into a physical SC team in the tournament and they wore us down.   That was Wojos best “year end” offensive team to date.

Again, if you DVR’d the game, go back and look at the shots taken and missed.  This was not a matter of a deteriorating offensive system.  The team missed a lot of shots they typically make.  A coach can’t take the shots - he can only design the offense to get open looks.  Let’s check back in on that offense after Providence and Georgetown and see what you think. 
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: willie warrior on February 19, 2020, 11:45:50 AM
Folks, we can all agree that the Big East is a whale of conference this year leaving even the top tier teams bloodied and bruised. Butler and SHU square of tonight - both with 7 losses - with one joining us with 8 losses after the final whistle (yes, the Pirates could have 8 losses after tonight's game). First place Villanova has 6 losses.

Everyone is taking their lumps. Let's try to take it as well as the players.
Excuses.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Shooter McGavin on February 19, 2020, 11:56:49 AM
Again, if you DVR’d the game, go back and look at the shots taken and missed.  This was not a matter of a deteriorating offensive system.  The team missed a lot of shots they typically make.  A coach can’t take the shots - he can only design the offense to get open looks.  Let’s check back in on that offense after Providence and Georgetown and see what you think.

I completely agree with you.  They were wide open shots.  I said as much in an earlier post. Don’t know why the trend is there at the end of seasons though where we start missing.   Conditioning? Style of play? Lack of a boot camp (I kid).  I hope this year is not part of an end of year trend and we win the next 5 games. But we had offensive fire power last year and ran out of gas, missing wide open shots against good competition and we are starting to do it again. 

Let’s win this providence game and hopefully the boys go on a great stretch of offense to end the season strong.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2020, 11:58:21 AM
Excuses.

Sesucxe
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Shooter McGavin on February 19, 2020, 12:03:16 PM
I also think the games against the “lesser” competition will give us a very good idea where this team’s mindset is at.  Those bottom half teams are no slouches and we could easily lose any of them if the leadership is not there among the players.  Let’s see how this recent adversity effects the team going forward.  Will hopefully be a fun few weeks.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: mu03eng on February 19, 2020, 12:26:35 PM
A lot of missing context here (I know, I know, this is Scoop after all). Marquette held Creighton to it's 6th lowest PPP on offense, fully 7 points below their season average (and they are a Top 5 offense) and almost a full point below their season average eFG%. So despite Creighton hitting some really clutch shots, MU's defense was really good and got stops, especially in the second half. The problem was the offense and two key factors, turnovers (again) and shots not going in. MU had at least 15 open looks they didn't convert including 5 from Sacar (who shoots at 40% rate) and 3 or 4 from Koby (who shoots at a less good 30%). The offense was there and if one 3 from Sacar and Koby each goes in MU is leading with  3 minutes to go in the game.

But the shots didn't go in so we think it was garbage offense and we yell and scream at each other while totally ignoring what the defense did. God I love this place.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Shooter McGavin on February 19, 2020, 12:32:04 PM
You are spot on. 

Everyone should rewatch the game and they will come to the same conclusion.

Now hopefully the team doesn’t get down on themselves and wins 4 of the next five and finishes strong.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: skianth16 on February 19, 2020, 12:40:10 PM
A lot of missing context here (I know, I know, this is Scoop after all). Marquette held Creighton to it's 6th lowest PPP on offense, fully 7 points below their season average (and they are a Top 5 offense) and almost a full point below their season average eFG%. So despite Creighton hitting some really clutch shots, MU's defense was really good and got stops, especially in the second half. The problem was the offense and two key factors, turnovers (again) and shots not going in. MU had at least 15 open looks they didn't convert including 5 from Sacar (who shoots at 40% rate) and 3 or 4 from Koby (who shoots at a less good 30%). The offense was there and if one 3 from Sacar and Koby each goes in MU is leading with  3 minutes to go in the game.

But the shots didn't go in so we think it was garbage offense and we yell and scream at each other while totally ignoring what the defense did. God I love this place.

7 points below average and 1 point below their efg sound like fairly minor differences. I do think we played pretty good defense, but calling out a 1 point difference in efg doesn't seem like a big win to me.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: tower912 on February 19, 2020, 12:47:43 PM
I have watched Creighton a few times over the last few weeks and marveled at their offensive scheme and efficiency.    MU played them better than anybody else has in the last month.      Wojo tried a few defensive wrinkles.    A zone.   4 guards.   From a '4 guard' perspective, it would have been interesting to see Greg, Symir, Koby, and Sacar all out there and switching everything.    Theo played well enough that there was not a need to go smaller.     
  Lost in all of this is that for the first 30 minutes, Bailey and Cain were having a competition to see who could stink worse. 

But in the end, against a really good team,  poor shooting = loss.   
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: mu03eng on February 19, 2020, 01:00:59 PM
7 points below average and 1 point below their efg sound like fairly minor differences. I do think we played pretty good defense, but calling out a 1 point difference in efg doesn't seem like a big win to me.

They are definitely not insignificant and the PPP was better by 24 compared to the average over the last month and the eFG% was better by 5%.....the defense was solid to very good.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: dgies9156 on February 19, 2020, 01:22:49 PM
A couple of late thoughts from someone in the Lower Bowl last night:

1) The offensive scheme in the first half by Creighton was magnificent. Moved the center out, rotating Theo with him. Theo was a step slow to get back and cover and too many of our guys were faked out of their jockeys by head-and-shoulder fakes. Our footwork was off a bit.

2) Given their offense, we probably should have switched to a 2/3 zone sooner. Just a thought.

3) The shot selection was generally OK. A few times in the first half, we put some ill-advised shots up, probably out of frustration but mostly we were OK. I agree that if we hit 35 to 40 percent, we win.

4) THEO -- PLEASE CATCH AND SHOOT. STOP DRIBBLING!!!!!@! Every time Theo puts the ball on the floor, he neutralizes his height and strength advantage. Just catch it, turn around or hook it and shoot. At worst, you end up on the free throw line, which was an adventure for you last night!

5) Markus -- welcome to your new world. Big guys shadowing you so close they are sharing your underwear with you. That seems to slow you down a bit. Our coaches are going to have to find fresh schemes to free you up. Period. But as we go into the NCAA, I would expect Markus will have dudes 6'2" or taller all over him.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: tower912 on February 19, 2020, 01:26:25 PM
I liked the zone.   It was effective.   If MU had been able to hit a couple of shots in the two minute window it was being used, Wojo would be hailed as a genius.    I think against Creighton, however, a zone has a limited shelf life, considering how well they dribble, pass, cut, and shoot.     Or not.    We may find out at MSG.

A wrinkle that did not work is that for the first time all year Wojo ran 4 guards out there at the same time.    Markus, Koby, Sacar, Greg.    I suspect part of that is because both Bailey and Cain stunk for the first 30 minutes.   But it was an adjustment.   
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 19, 2020, 01:35:54 PM
4) THEO -- PLEASE CATCH AND SHOOT. STOP DRIBBLING!!!!!@! Every time Theo puts the ball on the floor, he neutralizes his height and strength advantage. Just catch it, turn around or hook it and shoot. At worst, you end up on the free throw line, which was an adventure for you last night!
While I don't necessarily disagree with this statement in general, a game where Theo goes 6-6 from the field with 1 turnover in 31 minutes seems an odd time to make this observation.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: jesmu84 on February 19, 2020, 01:53:34 PM
I liked the zone.   It was effective.   If MU had been able to hit a couple of shots in the two minute window it was being used, Wojo would be hailed as a genius.    I think against Creighton, however, a zone has a limited shelf life, considering how well they dribble, pass, cut, and shoot.     Or not.    We may find out at MSG.

A wrinkle that did not work is that for the first time all year Wojo ran 4 guards out there at the same time.    Markus, Koby, Sacar, Greg.    I suspect part of that is because both Bailey and Cain stunk for the first 30 minutes.   But it was an adjustment.

BS. Wojo doesn't know how to make adjustments
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Bad_Reporter on February 19, 2020, 01:56:36 PM
A lot of hope on landing Mane on here.   I wouldn’t count on it.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 19, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
I do not like Wojo-ball. Give me some junkyard dogs. The worst era in MU basketball since I’ve been old enough to remember.

Agreed.  Got to figure out how to get to that 1 and 11 DePaul record or Wojo's gone!
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 19, 2020, 02:04:58 PM
A lot of hope on landing Mane on here.   I wouldn’t count on it.
Why is this exactly?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: tower912 on February 19, 2020, 02:16:35 PM
The way Mane is blowing up, he could find himself projected into the first round of the NBA draft.    If he is projected that high, I would expect him to take the money and run.   
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 19, 2020, 02:18:01 PM
The way Mane is blowing up, he could find himself projected into the first round of the NBA draft.    If he is projected that high, I would expect him to take the money and run.
No one has him projected that high
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Bad_Reporter on February 19, 2020, 02:19:15 PM
Why is this exactly?

I can’t get into specifics, but I have strong reason to believe that ship has sailed. Hope I’m wrong, but I would be my house on it.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 19, 2020, 02:19:56 PM
I can’t get into specifics, but I have strong reason to believe that ship has sailed. Hope I’m wrong, but I would be my house on it.
why bring it up if you "cant get into specifics" seems pointless??
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 19, 2020, 02:23:49 PM
I can’t get into specifics, but I have strong reason to believe that ship has sailed. Hope I’m wrong, but I would be my house on it.

You really are a bad reporter
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: LAZER on February 19, 2020, 02:26:39 PM
The way Mane is blowing up, he could find himself projected into the first round of the NBA draft.    If he is projected that high, I would expect him to take the money and run.
He wasn't in ESPN's latest mock fwiw.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: BM1090 on February 19, 2020, 02:30:47 PM
I can’t get into specifics, but I have strong reason to believe that ship has sailed. Hope I’m wrong, but I would be my house on it.

I have no inside information here, but we did a visit with him 2 weeks ago. I'd be surprised if we did that visit if the ship has sailed. Unless this is a very recent development.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Windyplayer on February 19, 2020, 02:48:44 PM
I can’t get into specifics, but I have strong reason to believe that ship has sailed. Hope I’m wrong, but I would be my house on it.

You really are a bad reporter
And gambler.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 19, 2020, 03:07:52 PM
A lot of missing context here (I know, I know, this is Scoop after all). Marquette held Creighton to it's 6th lowest PPP on offense, fully 7 points below their season average (and they are a Top 5 offense) and almost a full point below their season average eFG%. So despite Creighton hitting some really clutch shots, MU's defense was really good and got stops, especially in the second half. The problem was the offense and two key factors, turnovers (again) and shots not going in. MU had at least 15 open looks they didn't convert including 5 from Sacar (who shoots at 40% rate) and 3 or 4 from Koby (who shoots at a less good 30%). The offense was there and if one 3 from Sacar and Koby each goes in MU is leading with  3 minutes to go in the game.

But the shots didn't go in so we think it was garbage offense and we yell and scream at each other while totally ignoring what the defense did. God I love this place.

You are absolutely right, for me the issue is two fold tho.
 1. Year 6 we cannot find a PG in America that is less of a trainwreck than Koby? Cant shoot and is cringeworthy with the ball in his hands, to think people used to complain about Cordell Henry or Junior Cadougan.  MU is a Top 10 team with either if them at PG.
2. Year 6 and we have a 5th year senior at the wing that is woeful offensively.  Has become an OK 3 point shooter but from the FT and 2 pt range is borderline atrocious, cannot break anyone down off the dribble, and doesnt really distribute.  You are only as good as your guards and this is the best we can cobble up?
Where are the other BE coaches finding them. Put zegarowski at PG or Alexander or Ballock at the wing for us, not even both positions, simply one and we are a top 10 team. How are we so wholly deficient at these spots? We got a top 300 5th year senior at wing and a top 150 transfer from the WAC at PG.  wtf is the deal?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Bad_Reporter on February 19, 2020, 03:26:45 PM
And gambler.

I guess time will tell.  Hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think so
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: skianth16 on February 19, 2020, 03:34:36 PM
They are definitely not insignificant and the PPP was better by 24 compared to the average over the last month and the eFG% was better by 5%.....the defense was solid to very good.

Someone who know basketball advanced stats better than me can weigh in here, but looking at Creighton's scoring over the course of the season, they're all over the place. A handful of games in the 50s, a few more games in the 70s, and a bunch in the 80s. Seems like a pretty high standard deviation. And then their efg is also all over the place. To be within 1 pt of a metric that has been anywhere from 40% to 70% doesn't seem significant. The difference between their efg last night and their season average was just one missed shot.

So while I do think our defense played a role in Creighton putting out below average numbers, I don't think it had quite the impact as some others here.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: mu03eng on February 19, 2020, 03:43:20 PM
Someone who know basketball advanced stats better than me can weigh in here, but looking at Creighton's scoring over the course of the season, they're all over the place. A handful of games in the 50s, a few more games in the 70s, and a bunch in the 80s. Seems like a pretty high standard deviation. And then their efg is also all over the place. To be within 1 pt of a metric that has been anywhere from 40% to 70% doesn't seem significant. The difference between their efg last night and their season average was just one missed shot.

So while I do think our defense played a role in Creighton putting out below average numbers, I don't think it had quite the impact as some others here.

You are looking at the person....MU's defense from an analytic standpoint was solid
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: skianth16 on February 19, 2020, 03:58:00 PM
You are looking at the person....MU's defense from an analytic standpoint was solid

I'm not buying the efg argument. And from a points scored perspective, they were about a half of a standard deviation away from their average. Is that significant? So I'm not buying that defensive argument either. PPP is something I'll take your word on, though.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 19, 2020, 04:00:01 PM
I'm not buying the efg argument.

What's there to "buy?"  The defense was objectively good.  I think you might be biased because it didn't seem that great in key situations late in the game and was better in the first half than the second.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: CTWarrior on February 19, 2020, 04:04:41 PM
You are looking at the person....MU's defense from an analytic standpoint was solid
Seems to me it was a very fast paced game so holding them to below their average has to be considered a good defensive effort.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: lawdog77 on February 19, 2020, 04:06:57 PM
Seems to me it was a very fast paced game so holding them to below their average has to be considered a good defensive effort.
Overall, the defense seemed to have been good. Unfortunately, like Kamar from Butler, Alexander kept hitting from the same spot in key possessions.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: BM1090 on February 19, 2020, 04:09:25 PM
What's there to "buy?"  The defense was objectively good.  I think you might be biased because it didn't seem that great in key situations late in the game and was better in the first half than the second.

Yep. Our defense jumped about 10 spots in Kenpom after last night. The issue was the offense.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: skianth16 on February 19, 2020, 04:51:24 PM
What's there to "buy?"  The defense was objectively good.  I think you might be biased because it didn't seem that great in key situations late in the game and was better in the first half than the second.

The "buying" is me saying I don't think holding them to 1 pt below their average efg is proof of a strong defensive outing. Especially when that metric swings so much from game to game. There are probably other metrics that show this more clearly, but I don't think touting the efg difference is a strong argument.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: BM1090 on February 19, 2020, 04:53:25 PM
The "buying" is me saying I don't think holding them to 1 pt below their average efg is proof of a strong defensive outing. Especially when that metric swings so much from game to game. There are probably other metrics that show this more clearly, but I don't think touting the efg difference is a strong argument.

Held them to their 2nd lowest points per possession in their last 11 games. The defense was very good. The only one lower was their loss at Providence.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: skianth16 on February 19, 2020, 04:56:23 PM
Held them to their 2nd lowest points per possession in their last 11 games. The defense was very good. The only one lower was their loss at Providence.

See, that to me is a stronger argument. That's a better case for saying our defense was good.

But why focus on the last 11 games? That feels like you're cherry picking your data to make your point. If the defense was really good, just use the whole season, or use conference play as a barometer.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: willie warrior on February 19, 2020, 06:13:50 PM
Why don’t you post after wins?
I do. Why dont you read more.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Newsdreams on February 19, 2020, 07:01:31 PM
I do. Why dont you read more.
#FakeNews you rarely do Mazos.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 19, 2020, 07:04:09 PM
People think he doesn’t post because he’s equally negative after a win.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Elonsmusk on February 20, 2020, 12:16:43 AM
I have watched Creighton a few times over the last few weeks and marveled at their offensive scheme and efficiency.    MU played them better than anybody else has in the last month.      Wojo tried a few defensive wrinkles.    A zone.   4 guards.   From a '4 guard' perspective, it would have been interesting to see Greg, Symir, Koby, and Sacar all out there and switching everything.    Theo played well enough that there was not a need to go smaller.     
  Lost in all of this is that for the first 30 minutes, Bailey and Cain were having a competition to see who could stink worse. 

But in the end, against a really good team,  poor shooting = loss.   

Creighton is good.  Our D was really good.  Their D on us was also pretty good.  Coaches can't make shots for players, but they also aren't responsible for players making shots either.  No need for us to use the excuse we missed tons of open shots.  Markus had about 3 clean looks all game - and Koby, Sacar, and Brendan are anything but consistent.

As it relates to Jamal/Brendan - Lots of inconsistency at that position.  However, to pass judgement on Jamal in 9 minutes of action is silly.  Not even enough minutes to qualify for an O-Rating from Ken Pom.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 20, 2020, 10:23:19 AM
what did wojo say during the last open mic timeout?  something to the effect that our sh!tty shooting is negating our defensive play-not exactly those words, but then the look of helplessness almost made one want to give him a hug, eyn'a?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: StillWarriors on February 20, 2020, 11:14:25 AM
what did wojo say during the last open mic timeout?  something to the effect that our sh!tty shooting is negating our defensive play-not exactly those words, but then the look of helplessness almost made one want to give him a hug, eyn'a?

He was saying that the struggle we were having offensively to get shots to go down was negatively affecting our defense/defensive effort, and that can't happen. Common problem for all teams.
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 22, 2020, 02:08:13 PM
Go DePaul.

Also, welcome back. Talk about pulling away faster than a kid touching a hot stove for the first time...how was the corner you were cowering in?
Mane, I haven't heard from you today.  Or the last few days...  Not in a corner are we?
Title: Re: Mc-Dammit
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 23, 2020, 05:44:09 PM
I'm hoping that, despite the efforts of the usual suspect posters as displayed starting on about page two, this is not the last of Tower's post-game analysis threads.

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