Fire this coach?

[MU82]

The cautionary tale wasn't hiring Danny Manning.  Wake's problem was that they fired Dino Gaudio after he lead them to two NCAA in the three seasons following Prosser's death.  They inexplicably hired Jeff Bzdelik, who had been terrible at Colorado, and he promptly lead them to a 8-24 record in his first year.

https://gazette.com/sports/ramsey-jeff-bzdelik-should-never-have-been-a-college-coach/article_fc589ff9-39f0-5b75-ad09-c49bf26929fd.html

Right, and that's what I assumed Shooter meant.

Gaudio did have some off-the-court problems on his watch, though.

The right coach probably can rebuild that program. Good history, in ACC, good facilities, etc.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Nm

[warriorchick]

Yessir, SM.

The only way we'll find the perfect coach is if we hire the guy at Belmont Abbey -- and even then, only if he goes 13-39 his last two seasons there.

LOL Imagine how ape crap certain members of this board would go if we hired "Al" today.

[mu03eng]

LOL Imagine how ape crap certain members of this board would go if we hired "Al" today.

This kind of hits on a conversation I was having with some "insiders" today and I realized that every MU coach until Wojo was a character and in someway charismatic. Wojo to date has been very vanilla(literal and figural) but I wonder if that really hurts him when fans, especially casual ones, are evaluating him. We can say time and again that his performance to date has been as good or better than coaches X, Y, and Z but there is nothing "fun" to attach to Wojo right now.

"When I was losing they called me nuts, when I was winning they called me eccentric"

[warriorchick]

This kind of hits on a conversation I was having with some "insiders" today and I realized that every MU coach until Wojo was a character and in someway charismatic. Wojo to date has been very vanilla(literal and figural) but I wonder if that really hurts him when fans, especially casual ones, are evaluating him. We can say time and again that his performance to date has been as good or better than coaches X, Y, and Z but there is nothing "fun" to attach to Wojo right now.

"When I was losing they called me nuts, when I was winning they called me eccentric"

I was talking more about hiring a guy with a 13-39 record.

[WhoaJoe2020]

LOL Imagine how ape crap certain members of this board would go if we hired "Al" today.

They would still find a way to convince themselves that he would be better than Wojo. Their keen powers of observation and evaluation would allow them to see the potential greatness in Al despite his record.

[Class71]

Wojo is no Al in many ways. Al would not be hired today even if his record was reversed. Al stretched the envelope beyond today`s rules. That is one of many reasons he is remembered. They do not mint Al's anymore and it is our loss.

[MU82]

Wojo is no Al in many ways. Al would not be hired today even if his record was reversed. Al stretched the envelope beyond today`s rules. That is one of many reasons he is remembered. They do not mint Al's anymore and it is our loss.

Pearl, Sampson, Laary Brown, plenty of others who pushed the envelope have gotten hired.

It's his resume, not his personality, that would keep  him from being hired today.

He was 13-39 his last two years at Belmont Abbey. If he was even brought in for an interview, Scoop would explode.

[tower912]

Beilein is available.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

This kind of hits on a conversation I was having with some "insiders" today and I realized that every MU coach until Wojo was a character and in someway charismatic. Wojo to date has been very vanilla(literal and figural) but I wonder if that really hurts him when fans, especially casual ones, are evaluating him. We can say time and again that his performance to date has been as good or better than coaches X, Y, and Z but there is nothing "fun" to attach to Wojo right now.

"When I was losing they called me nuts, when I was winning they called me eccentric"

Crean was charasmatic?

The guy was a dripping douche with zero social skills n even less of a sense if humor.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

The guy was a dripping douche with zero social skills n even less of a sense if humor.

Thankfully we have an expert on the subject

[skianth16]

Crean was charasmatic?

The guy was a dripping douche with zero social skills n even less of a sense if humor.

As a student, Crean stopped me on my way to class one day and asked me if I was excited about the team and the upcoming season. I had a few other friends with the same experience. He also made a point to tell BC staff to let students in early for big games when lines were long and temperatures were low.

I hate the way he left, but when he was at MU, I think he was a great representative of the program on campus. I was a huge fan of his before he bailed to IU. Even now, I still have plenty of positive memories of his interactions with the student section and with individual students.

[MU82]

As a student, Crean stopped me on my way to class one day and asked me if I was excited about the team and the upcoming season. I had a few other friends with the same experience. He also made a point to tell BC staff to let students in early for big games when lines were long and temperatures were low.

I hate the way he left, but when he was at MU, I think he was a great representative of the program on campus. I was a huge fan of his before he bailed to IU. Even now, I still have plenty of positive memories of his interactions with the student section and with individual students.

I have heard similar things, ski. Glad to hear our coach helped you have a positive experience, and I hope Wojo has done similar stuff during his time at MU.

[MUfan12]

As a student, Crean stopped me on my way to class one day and asked me if I was excited about the team and the upcoming season. I had a few other friends with the same experience. He also made a point to tell BC staff to let students in early for big games when lines were long and temperatures were low.

I remember the Pitt game in 2006 when it was subzero wind chills, and the Admirals had a game that afternoon. Somehow they managed to get us in the building as the Ads game was letting out, and we were sitting there watching them put the floor down.

He also stopped by the line quite often without the marketing people on his way to campus before big games.

[🏀]

Crean was charasmatic?

The guy was a dripping douche with zero social skills n even less of a sense if humor.

TallTitan and I as we were walking back from the 26th Street bus stop. TallTitan was carrying a Xbox 360 under his arm, a Lexus pulls up beside us on Wisconsin Avenue and asks if we want a ride. It was Crean, right after he was going through his back problems.

[rocket surgeon]

Beilein is available.

nope-cleveland is looking at his popcorn making skills, pouring beers, etc

[pbiflyer]

LOL Imagine how ape crap certain members of this board would go if we hired "Al" today.

They would be celebrating that he was finally leaving on today's date in 1977, that is for sure. Just a reminder of what happened 43 years ago today:

On this date in 1977, in the final home game of Al's career, his 9th ranked Warriors fell 75-64 to the Wichita State Shockers for the team's third straight defeat, all at home, to bring Marquette's record to a rather pedestrian 16-6.

[5DollarPitcher]

They would be celebrating that he was finally leaving on today's date in 1977, that is for sure. Just a reminder of what happened 43 years ago today:

On this date in 1977, in the final home game of Al's career, his 9th ranked Warriors fell 75-64 to the Wichita State Shockers for the team's third straight defeat, all at home, to bring Marquette's record to a rather pedestrian 16-6.

And then the Warriors went on to win 9 of the next 10 including the National Championship.  Are we to believe Wojo's Eagles are on that course?

16-6 was the low point of the season for those Warriors, 16-6 may well have been the high point for Wojo's 2020 Eagles

[willie warrior]

And then the Warriors went on to win 9 of the next 10 including the National Championship.  Are we to believe Wojo's Eagles are on that course?

16-6 was the low point of the season for those Warriors, 16-6 may well have been the high point for Wojo's 2020 Eagles

How dare you blaspheme Wojo like that. There are all sorts of exc...er...reasons for this years Warriors being 17-7.

[pbiflyer]

And then the Warriors went on to win 9 of the next 10 including the National Championship.  Are we to believe Wojo's Eagles are on that course?

16-6 was the low point of the season for those Warriors, 16-6 may well have been the high point for Wojo's 2020 Eagles

Thanks for pointing out that we just don't know yet and to make leaping judgements at this point would be asinine.

[4everwarriors]

Crean sucks

[Johnny B]

Crean sucks

Beat Auburn. Hire crean after wojo to wake

[The Lens]

Al would win the press conference tho and would be a very well known former  NBA player.  Like hiring Patrick Beverly if he came with Coach K's blessing. 

Wojo's lack of personality prevents fans from getting a glimpse into who he really is, leaves them wondering: is this guy very bright?

[lurch91]

And then the Warriors went on to win 9 of the next 10 including the National Championship.  Are we to believe Wojo's Eagles are on that course?

16-6 was the low point of the season for those Warriors, 16-6 may well have been the high point for Wojo's 2020 Eagles

If he did win the championship, you'd still be unhappy....

[Coleman]

Coach takes over program that didn't go to NCAA or NIT previous year.

++ First season: 13-19.

++ Second season: 20-13, no postseason.

++ Third season: 19-13; NCAA 10th seed, first-round loss.

++ Fourth season: 21-14; NIT, third-round loss.

++ Fifth season: 24-10; conference runner-up after leading race but falling apart late due to intra-team squabbling; NCAA 5th seed, first-round loss.

++ Sixth season: 16-6 about 2/3 of the way through season; NCAA bid likely.

++ Top-10 recruiting class signed for his 7th season.

++ Numerous transfers out, including 3 high-major caliber players.

++ Several good transfers in, though arguably none the caliber of the 3 top players who transferred out.

++ Under his watch, team never has had a hint of NCAA rules violations or scrapes with the law.

Questions:

Realistically, would any school fire that coach?

If so, would it be a blueblood?

Would the AD/president/board of any non-blueblood school fire that coach?

I'll hang up and listen.

Before I say anything, I will first say that I do not think Wojo should be fired. But selective facts allow you to build whatever narrative you want. For example:

-Coach takes over program that was regularly playing into 2nd weekend in NCAA tournament. In five seasons:

-Zero NCAA tournament wins
- Zero conference championships
- 43-47 Big East record

Again, I am not saying Wojo should be fired. I purposely cherry picked stats.

I think MU has been slightly disappointing under Wojo, certainly below the historical program average. I'm willing to give him a few more seasons, but patience won't last forever. Deep runs in March will make everything better.