COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[rocket surgeon]

False. It is amazing how little you know.

go fack yourself

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/covid-vaccines-focus-on-the-spike-protein-but-heres-another-target?amp;amp

[Uncle Rico]

go fack yourself

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/covid-vaccines-focus-on-the-spike-protein-but-heres-another-target?amp;amp

7 of 10

Expletive and posting an article from January

[rocket surgeon]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/

This guy?    The guy banned from twitter?    Based on his track record, I think his disdain is probably its strongest selling point.

banned from twitter?  you're gonna use that as any credibility for what?  twitter, facebook etc are a joke

[rocket surgeon]

7 of 10

Expletive and posting an article from January

show me where i'm wrong...on either points

[Uncle Rico]

show me where i'm wrong...on either points

2 of 10, the ellipses help

Tower and numerous others have already shown vaccines are more effective than natural immunity. 

Also, Alex Berenson has been wrong about everything, so I could see why you like him

[The Sultan]

go fack yourself

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/covid-vaccines-focus-on-the-spike-protein-but-heres-another-target?amp;amp

This article never states that natural immunity is better than vaccination.

It's truly amazing how bad you are at this.

[lostpassword]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-protection-covid-19-natural-immunity-cdc-study/

The latest actual science indicates that immunity from the vaccine is far better and longer lasting than natural immunity.   

Even if that wasn't the case, why is this such a topic?  People would rather go get COVID-19 so they have immunity than get a vaccine for immunity?

Every time I hear "natural immunity is better" used by someone thinking it's a flex, I don't get it.  It implies folks are gonna go out and get some of the good natual COVID immunity as a preference.  I'd run to get in line for a vaccine even if it was fractionally as effective as natural immunity.  Only a dumb-dumb would want to protect themselves by preferring getting infected with the very thing they are trying to protect themselves against.

(Aside: I haven't read the CDC study in question so don't have a point-of-view on it)

[forgetful]

Even if that wasn't the case, why is this such a topic?  People would rather go get COVID-19 so they have immunity than get a vaccine for immunity?

Every time I hear "natural immunity is better" used by someone thinking it's a flex, I don't get it.  It implies folks are gonna go out and get some of the good natual COVID immunity as a preference.  I'd run to get in line for a vaccine even if it was fractionally as effective as natural immunity.  Only a dumb-dumb would want to protect themselves by preferring getting infected with the very thing they are trying to protect themselves against.

(Aside: I haven't read the CDC study in question so don't have a point-of-view on it)

Also, it has been shown that both having been infected, and getting vaccinated confers much much higher immunity that either having been infected, or having been vaccinated alone.

So even if you had already gotten COVID, you'd have to be of poor intelligence not to go out and get the vaccine.

[🏀]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/

This guy?    The guy banned from twitter?    Based on his track record, I think his disdain is probably its strongest selling point.   

Should've tealed it.

[Hards Alumni]

Even if that wasn't the case, why is this such a topic?  People would rather go get COVID-19 so they have immunity than get a vaccine for immunity?

Every time I hear "natural immunity is better" used by someone thinking it's a flex, I don't get it.  It implies folks are gonna go out and get some of the good natual COVID immunity as a preference.  I'd run to get in line for a vaccine even if it was fractionally as effective as natural immunity.  Only a dumb-dumb would want to protect themselves by preferring getting infected with the very thing they are trying to protect themselves against.

(Aside: I haven't read the CDC study in question so don't have a point-of-view on it)

A lot of the people advocating for natural immunity think they're a lot healthier than they are.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Every time I hear "natural immunity is better" used by someone thinking it's a flex, I don't get it.  It implies folks are gonna go out and get some of the good natual COVID immunity as a preference. 

What? You don't think a good strategy is to catch COVID in order to protect yourself against ...catching COVID?

Roqqet doesn't have the critical thinking skills to figure this one out. But he heard his go-to health experts, Carlson and Ingraham, say it, so he thinks it is some sort of valid point.

[JWags85]

A lot of the people advocating for natural immunity think they're a lot healthier than they are.

I think there is an element of that, but also people just getting natural immunity from a mild case and thinking its easy peasy.  So think "why bother with some vaccine when you can get a cold and be fine"

[ZiggysFryBoy]

What? You don't think a good strategy is to catch COVID in order to protect yourself against ...catching COVID?

Roqqet doesn't have the critical thinking skills to figure this one out. But he heard his go-to health experts, Carlson and Ingraham, say it, so he thinks it is some sort of valid point.

You spend more time posting about fox opinion hosts than anyone else on this board.  I think you are a closet fox News fan.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

You spend more time posting about fox opinion hosts than anyone else on this board.  I think you are a closet fox News fan.

Me and Tuckums are buds

[forgetful]

I think there is an element of that, but also people just getting natural immunity from a mild case and thinking its easy peasy.  So think "why bother with some vaccine when you can get a cold and be fine"

In some cases (rare), a 2nd bout of COVID can be far more severe. Some antibody responses can accidentally enhance the ability of COVID to infect cells.

A similar thing is observed in some vaccines. The original SARS vaccines, which targeted different viral proteins caused this issue, and it is why they use just a fragment of the Spike protein, it was found to not cause these types of issues.

So the vaccine is designed to maximize an immune response, but without risks of antibody-dependent enhancement of viral infection.

[JWags85]

In some cases (rare), a 2nd bout of COVID can be far more severe. Some antibody responses can accidentally enhance the ability of COVID to infect cells.

A similar thing is observed in some vaccines. The original SARS vaccines, which targeted different viral proteins caused this issue, and it is why they use just a fragment of the Spike protein, it was found to not cause these types of issues.

So the vaccine is designed to maximize an immune response, but without risks of antibody-dependent enhancement of viral infection.

More or less rare than a gnarly breakthrough case?  Not snarky, just genuinely curious.

[forgetful]

More or less rare than a gnarly breakthrough case?  Not snarky, just genuinely curious.

Honestly, I have no idea.

The best bet though is vaccine, even with infection. Then you have super immunity.

[4everwarriors]

Psaki's got da chit. Thoughts, aina?

[Uncle Rico]

Psaki's got da chit. Thoughts, aina?

Hopefully she's taking horse meds

[tower912]

Good thing she is vaccinated.   And was responsible enough to isolate as soon as a member of her household tested positive.
Thoughts and prayers.

[tower912]

A moment of silence for the 5 million dead world wide.


Do you remember when we were all terrified of HIV?   COVID has killed more Americans since the start of 2020 than AIDS has in 40 years.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

A moment of silence for the 5 million dead world wide.


Do you remember when we were all terrified of HIV?   COVID has killed more Americans since the start of 2020 than AIDS has in 40 years.

Which is ironic, because the summer of 2020 Trumpies kept asking me why everyone is making a big deal of Coronavirus because AIDS has killed more people.  I had to keep saying, it's only 4 months in, that maybe you want to wait on that.

[The Sultan]

A moment of silence for the 5 million dead world wide.


Do you remember when we were all terrified of HIV?   COVID has killed more Americans since the start of 2020 than AIDS has in 40 years.

And way more than 5 million have died.  The Economist estimates that there have been 16.7 "excess deaths" since the beginning of the pandemic - over three times the number attributed to Covid.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker?gclid=CjwKCAjwoP6LBhBlEiwAvCcthNQeF-88ojbpHMqr7xy-6MdTBtQJGyZ6ehyaZtHUaSfx4XZJ7WCCtBoCbh8QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[tower912]

I've seen those reports. 


And Jon Bon Jovi has has tested positive.   

[Skatastrophy]

Psaki's got da chit. Thoughts, aina?

She tested negative on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday before testing positive on Sunday. We'll see if it's a false positive. Good on her for disclosing it and going into quarantine.