COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[jesmu84]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/20/hospitals-doctors-are-wiping-out-supplies-an-unproven-coronavirus-treatment/

Near the end of the article, it claims doctors and dentists are prescribing it for themselves.   I could see MD's Rx'ing it for themselves but unless ya know the pharmacist pretty well, they will flag this one as outside your lane

But gee, I'm curious as to why these people with, probably a pretty good understanding of how things work, would be taking this "anecdotal" medication.  and it seems to be hard to find now?  But that's just me being reckless err something.  Wouldn't want to find something that seems to be doing something weird with this pesky virus.

btw, yes, very possible my nephew was not exposed to said virus but what the heck.  Ya gotta ask yourself, do ya feel lucky? Punk? 🤫

I love that you choose an article that has a headline that states there are patient needs that are going unfulfilled because irresponsible providers are writing scripts for themselves and friends.

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for something that's putting patients at risk

[The Sultan]

Unaware of any fringe/conspiracy theories he has espoused. I'm certainly not a fan of that sort of thing. But when Trump was holding rallies and the Dems were only interested in impeachment he was a lonely and accurate voice about the seriousness of the virus.

Among politicians you mean.

[rocket surgeon]

I love that you choose an article that has a headline that states there are patient needs that are going unfulfilled because irresponsible providers are writing scripts for themselves and friends.

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for something that's putting patients at risk

Not patting anything here jesus

Patients at risk?  Now that is juicy.  Which part is more risky?  The dying part? What are the risks of hydroxychloroquine?  What are the risks of zithromycin?  Every time a patient takes any drug for whatever reason there are some risks, regardless of the research. Hell, the last half of all commercials are needed for the disclaimers...not limited to but including potential death diarrhea, loss of hearing, decreased sex drive, tinnitus, watery eyes, leaky penis, leaky brains, stomach aches, headaches,  increased blood pressure, decreased blood pressure, postural hypotension, arthritis hang nail, sinus discharge, anal discharge,

[ZiggysFryBoy]

He may have been right about the threat...but he has been pushing this:

https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/fox-news-anchor-maria-bartiromo-and-sen-tom-cotton-keep-pushing-coronavirus

The Lancet - one of the most respected medical journals in the world (and which published the study he uses as the basis for his theory) - has stated that there is no substance to his claims.

You rail against fox, but then post an article from media matters?  C'mon now.

[The Sultan]

I don't think that's how an essential business is determined.  There are a lot of people who believe their religion is essential however. God bless em

Then they should read up on how a funeral in Albany, Gerogia created a hotspot there.

It is reckless and irresponsible for pastor's to be holding Church services at this time.  God understands. 

[Galway Eagle]

Will they start paying taxes like essential businesses?

One can dream

[Pakuni]

You rail against fox, but then post an article from media matters?  C'mon now.

You could find the same in any number of publications, including USA Today and The Hill. They all simply report on an interview Cotton gave in which he peddled a conspiracy theory that COVID-19 was engineered in a Chinese lab.

Good for Cotton for ringing the alarm early on this.
Bad for Corton for spreading a debunked fringe theory.

[The Sultan]

Will they start paying taxes like essential businesses?

Plenty of not-for-profits are considered essential businesses. 

[Pakuni]

Because the world makes no sense, Dr. Fauci now needs full-time security after receiving death threats.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics/anthony-fauci-security-detail/index.html?utm_content=2020-04-02T06%3A41%3A04&utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social&utm_term=link

[GooooMarquette]

You rail against fox, but then post an article from media matters?  C'mon now.

The same story is up all over the place. I only linked that one because it was for first one that popped up in a google search. Did I mention the the same story is all over the place? ICYMI - here are a few, including the statement in The Lancet that is signed by 26 public health experts:

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-cotton-coronavirus-come-from-chinese-super-laboratory-2020-2

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/17/covid-19-coronavirus-did-not-come-from-a-lab-study-shows-natural-origins/#59ae9bd53728

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/03/21/fact-check-did-coronavirus-originate-chinese-laboratory/2881150001/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext

[shoothoops]

No offense shoot - but everything you've posted tonight has already been here.  Catch up here first, then let us know if you've got anything new.

Huh?

I posted that Wimbledon was canceled. Please provide link where it was already posted.

I posted an article about how the government let the ventilator contract expire. Link?

In the post you reference above, the post was about two new articles I have not seen posted regarding the cruise ship and that only Floridians are being let off. Can you post the links where they were already posted?

(i also posted about Stan's new staff in the Stan thread I started, but you may have missed it since most of the thread is filled with posts not about Stan)

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Unaware of any fringe/conspiracy theories he has espoused. I'm certainly not a fan of that sort of thing. But when Trump was holding rallies and the Dems were only interested in impeachment he was a lonely and accurate voice about the seriousness of the virus.

Lenny,
This is actually incorrect.  It's behind a paywall in today's Washington Post so I can't link, but here's the article title.
Dana Milbank at The Washington Post writes—Republicans were warned. Yet they persisted in defending Trump

Snippet from the article:
In the middle of the impeachment trial, on Jan. 26, Schumer demanded that the administration declare a public health emergency so that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention could access more funds. "Should the outbreak get worse, they're going to need immediate access to critical federal funds that at present they can't access," Schumer said. "We aren't here to propel panic or stoke fear, but to rather keep a good proactive effort by the CDC from going on [un]interrupted."

Certainly, the virus got less media attention because of impeachment. And few in either party anticipated the scale of the outbreak here. But Senate Democrats point to 32 other warnings, requests and statements they made seeking action against the virus — all while the Senate impeachment trial was underway. It begins with Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) on Jan. 17 releasing a letter to Azar about steps "should this outbreak escalate," and includes several requests to increase preparedness and to reinstate the National Security Council directorate for pandemics that Trump had dissolved.

[WarriorDad]

Exactly. Only one politician has been right on this from day one that I know of - Sen Tom Cotton. Everybody else who opined early (that I've seen quoted) from both parties didn't get it.

This  article supports your claim.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/the-senator-who-saw-the-coronavirus-coming/

[Lennys Tap]

Among politicians you mean.

Yes

[WarriorDad]

Italy's death toll from virus far higher than reported

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179


This is why the comparisons against other countries is meaningless.  The numbers are not comparable or standardized.  Used purely as a political hammer in my opinion.  I'm not sure why the them of greatest country on earth keeps coming up either.  All countries have flaws, and the US is no different.  How do we move forward as a nation to tackle this, preserve our civil liberties in the process (do we care?) and come out the other side?

[Pakuni]

"Sleepy Joe" warned about COVID-19 back in January.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/01/27/coronavirus-donald-trump-made-us-less-prepared-joe-biden-column/4581710002/

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Italy's death toll from virus far higher than reported

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179


This is why the comparisons against other countries is meaningless.  The numbers are not comparable or standardized.  Used purely as a political hammer in my opinion.  I'm not sure why the them of greatest country on earth keeps coming up either.  All countries have flaws, and the US is no different.  How do we move forward as a nation to tackle this, preserve our civil liberties in the process (do we care?) and come out the other side?

Just as an aside, this is happening here already even though we are just getting into health crisis mode in areas of the US.  As an example CT had a 'true-up' a couple days ago on deaths that subsequently were deemed as part of COVID.

[GooooMarquette]

This  article supports your claim.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/the-senator-who-saw-the-coronavirus-coming/

Actually, it claims to, but in fact the date provides a nice roadmap to show that Cotton wasn't the first.

The article cites a January 22 letter as the start of his raising the alarm. But below is a link to a copy of a letter that Diane Feinstein sent to Alex Azar a week earlier - on January 15 - referring to the coronavirus outbreak, and asking Azar what HHS is doing to prepare us for this "new threat to global health.":

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=B5213A09-21BD-4848-A6AF-185B958AF06D

Facts are difficult and persistent things....

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Yes

I guess you mean other than all the ones quoted in the various links posted here?

[muguru]

Ballgame for Covid-19





George Stanley

@geostanley
· 36m
BREAKING: Researchers in Pittsburgh have developed a potential coronavirus vaccine: 'We'd like to get this into patients as soon as possible' https://jsonline.com/story/news/2020/04/02/researchers-pittsburgh-have-developed-potential-coronavirus-vaccine/5107907002/... via @journalsentinel

[jesmu84]

Not patting anything here jesus

Patients at risk?  Now that is juicy.  Which part is more risky?  The dying part? What are the risks of hydroxychloroquine?  What are the risks of zithromycin?  Every time a patient takes any drug for whatever reason there are some risks, regardless of the research. Hell, the last half of all commercials are needed for the disclaimers...not limited to but including potential death diarrhea, loss of hearing, decreased sex drive, tinnitus, watery eyes, leaky penis, leaky brains, stomach aches, headaches,  increased blood pressure, decreased blood pressure, postural hypotension, arthritis hang nail, sinus discharge, anal discharge,

You're way off.

I'm saying patients who need these medications for their intended use, not for covid. Those patients can't get these important drugs because some irresponsible folks are wrongly prescribing for themselves.

You have a weird fetish for this medication/proposed treatment. You have posted about it a ton. Why?

[forgetful]

When I think back on where this all went so wrong, I find three big problems.

1. Massive failures on rolling out testing. That led to major issues in number 2.

2. Not isolating all travelers from China, and testing them rigorously, and tracing and quarantining contacts. Again here, we couldn't, because we didn't have testing.

3. And this is where it snowballed. Europe was obviously a big problem, and with all the travelers from affected regions on planes, air travel was a major problem. We were way way late on shutting down travel, we still haven't shut it down really. That spread this around the entire nation and exploded initial cases.

On 3, my University shut down travel very early. We also got all students and employees out of Europe in the first week of February. That should have been nationwide.

[forgetful]

Ballgame for Covid-19

George Stanley

@geostanley
· 36m
BREAKING: Researchers in Pittsburgh have developed a potential coronavirus vaccine: 'We'd like to get this into patients as soon as possible' https://jsonline.com/story/news/2020/04/02/researchers-pittsburgh-have-developed-potential-coronavirus-vaccine/5107907002/... via @journalsentinel

There are already multiple vaccines being tested in patients. None of these are changing the 12-18 month timeline for a vaccine to be ready for widespread use.

[Johnny B]

Ballgame for Covid-19





George Stanley

@geostanley
· 36m
BREAKING: Researchers in Pittsburgh have developed a potential coronavirus vaccine: 'We'd like to get this into patients as soon as possible' https://jsonline.com/story/news/2020/04/02/researchers-pittsburgh-have-developed-potential-coronavirus-vaccine/5107907002/... via @journalsentinel

U say ballgame like this thing is about to be done. Takes a year for FDA approval i mean come on.

[muguru]

U say ballgame like this thing is about to be done. Takes a year for FDA approval i mean come on.

That can be accelerated.....I mean if the trials are working, why wait?? This is vital.