what kind of result this year gets wojo canned?

[Cheeks]

We couldn't have been that good if we didn't even get in the tourney and got our asses beat by Penn State in the NIT at home, hey?

Not to burst your bubble, but Penn State finished the year 19th in Ken Pom....ahead of schools like Buzz's Va Tech, MU, etc.

They beat Ohio State three times, Maryland, etc.  won the NIT.

We also beat Oregon if I recall.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Not to burst your bubble, but Penn State finished the year 19th in Ken Pom....ahead of schools like Buzz's Va Tech, MU, etc.

They beat Ohio State three times, Maryland, etc.  won the NIT.

We also beat Oregon if I recall.

Crapshoot, hey?

[Cheeks]

Crapshoot, hey?

Not as much in NIT...get to host games on campus....definite added advantage.

[brewcity77]

Brew

Of course the numbers will change with more games played this season. My post was simply based off the record that was noted in a post.

As for returning, it has nothing to do with the Creighton game. Was in Asia the week before Xmas, and quite frankly, MU ball has been on vacation since K State game. Not much to talk about when playing a scrimmage.

Thus far, only the truly optimistic could be posting. Not many meaningful games and gaps in between. I would love to be posting about an upcoming big game in early season, but non were on the schedule, aside from UW.

Regardless, 49 cupcakes wasn't close to accurate.

I'm glad you're back and all is well. Agree or disagree, this site is better when you're around.

[MUfan12]

Should Jay Wright be fired...that was the headline in March of 2011.  I love this headline.  Why, because they lost their last 5 games...

Two Sweet 16s, an Elite 8, and a league title, and a Final Four before that was written. He had a record of accomplishment Wojo can't even dream of.

This comparison has always been apples to anvils and yet I still see it pop up here.

[Goose]

MUfan12

Cheeks knows it is a crazy argument and loves to create action. He is HOF scooper, but slips into the deep end on regular basis. That said, he is a first ballot HOF scooper.

[Herman Cain]

No blame, just expectations not aligned with reality.   Should we also be like Stanford academically or MIT?

For giggles, the number of programs that have made it 9 out of 10 years

6 schools....6 out of 353

Kansas 10 of 10
Duke 10 of 10
Michigan State 10 of 10
Gonzaga 10 of 10
Cincinnati 9 of 10
North Carolina  9 of 10

Carolina may not make it this year. Cincinnati is also in trouble.

Again, I ask how is this a REASONABLE STANDARD?  It simply isn't.  It's fandom not anchored to a bit of reality anywhere.

You are only looking at the making NCAA part of MDDGS. Everything else laid out under the MDDGS, the making sweet 16, Elite 8s, Final 4 and wins  ,MU Made under Crean/Buzz

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

As for the seeding and next year, if that's your standard, fair enough.  It just seems like a lot of people in Wojo's corner have quick trigger fingers for someone they think is doing a good job.  If you believe a coach is an NIT appearance away from the unemployment line, then how good of a job is he really doing?

He is doing as good of job as a guy two bad years away from being fired. So as good as most people.

[WhoaJoe2020]

Hi, my names Joe(not really) long time lurker first time poster. I'm 55(yes really).  I've read nearly every post relevant to coaching and recruiting and have to admit I'm somewhat confused. Do some of you think we're a blue blood? Times and college basketball have changed. Milwaukee is not the same city it was in the 70s and Marquette is not the same program. Considering the decline of the city I would say our basketball program has acquitted itself rather well over the years but it isn't a Mecca( no pun intended ) for the most elite players or head coaches.
Which brings us to Wojo.
I do believe he had/has a plan to transplant the Duke culture to Marquette. A tough ask from the jump but I think he has steadily been incorporating the values and principles that have made Duke what it is today. A relatively clean program that preaches defense but allows offensive stars to shine, ( think H.E., Rowsey, Markus, and even Luke Fischer who never quite reached critical mass ) I believe this philosophy has led directly to this promising 2020 recruiting class and will bear more fruit in the future IF Wolo stays. Wojo, like coach K understands it's the players that ultimately win championships and demonstrating a long leash with your star players is great bait to entice other elite players to the program. It seems to be working. Why fix it?

[jonny09]

MUfan12

Cheeks knows it is a crazy argument and loves to create action. He is HOF scooper, but slips into the deep end on regular basis. That said, he is a first ballot HOF scooper.

His basketball card was pulled months ago when he said Jayce Johnson was average.

[4everwarriors]

JD, iz dat ewe, hey?

[5DollarPitcher]

Hi, my names Joe(not really) long time lurker first time poster. I'm 55(yes really).  I've read nearly every post relevant to coaching and recruiting and have to admit I'm somewhat confused. Do some of you think we're a blue blood? Times and college basketball have changed. Milwaukee is not the same city it was in the 70s and Marquette is not the same program. Considering the decline of the city I would say our basketball program has acquitted itself rather well over the years but it isn't a Mecca( no pun intended ) for the most elite players or head coaches.
Which brings us to Wojo.
I do believe he had/has a plan to transplant the Duke culture to Marquette. A tough ask from the jump but I think he has steadily been incorporating the values and principles that have made Duke what it is today. A relatively clean program that preaches defense but allows offensive stars to shine, ( think H.E., Rowsey, Markus, and even Luke Fischer who never quite reached critical mass ) I believe this philosophy has led directly to this promising 2020 recruiting class and will bear more fruit in the future IF Wolo stays. Wojo, like coach K understands it's the players that ultimately win championships and demonstrating a long leash with your star players is great bait to entice other elite players to the program. It seems to be working. Why fix it?

Seeing as how the coach immediately preceding Wojo had astronomically more success in a similar amount of time, alluding to the notion that people that think Wojo's results aren't enough by saying this isn't the 70s anymore makes no sense at all.

Further, I think you are massively underrating coaching.  We have had studs on this roster with nothing to show for them.  We've been promised that the NEXT recruit is the BIG FISH three or four times by now.  It's not working - we should fix it.

[The Sultan]

Hi, my names Joe(not really) long time lurker first time poster. I'm 55(yes really).  I've read nearly every post relevant to coaching and recruiting and have to admit I'm somewhat confused. Do some of you think we're a blue blood? Times and college basketball have changed. Milwaukee is not the same city it was in the 70s and Marquette is not the same program. Considering the decline of the city...

Milwaukee is a nicer city now than it was during Al's time.

[jonny09]

Milwaukee is a nicer city now than it was during Al's time.

How's the crime?

[5DollarPitcher]

Milwaukee is a nicer city now than it was during Al's time.

Great point.  Willing to bet this baby boomer hasn't been downtown in 10 years.

[Galway Eagle]

How's the crime?

Pretty sure it's lower

[jonny09]

Pretty sure it's lower

I'll spare you from the data.  But that's a hard no.

[hairy worthen]

Hi, my names Joe(not really) long time lurker first time poster. I'm 55(yes really).  I've read nearly every post relevant to coaching and recruiting and have to admit I'm somewhat confused. Do some of you think we're a blue blood? Times and college basketball have changed. Milwaukee is not the same city it was in the 70s and Marquette is not the same program. Considering the decline of the city I would say our basketball program has acquitted itself rather well over the years but it isn't a Mecca( no pun intended ) for the most elite players or head coaches.
Which brings us to Wojo.
I do believe he had/has a plan to transplant the Duke culture to Marquette. A tough ask from the jump but I think he has steadily been incorporating the values and principles that have made Duke what it is today. A relatively clean program that preaches defense but allows offensive stars to shine, ( think H.E., Rowsey, Markus, and even Luke Fischer who never quite reached critical mass ) I believe this philosophy has led directly to this promising 2020 recruiting class and will bear more fruit in the future IF Wolo stays. Wojo, like coach K understands it's the players that ultimately win championships and demonstrating a long leash with your star players is great bait to entice other elite players to the program. It seems to be working. Why fix it?

What? Decline of Milwaukee? Luke Fischer offensive star? Preaches defense?

[Cheeks]

Two Sweet 16s, an Elite 8, and a league title, and a Final Four before that was written. He had a record of accomplishment Wojo can't even dream of.

This comparison has always been apples to anvils and yet I still see it pop up here.

The point was people wanting to fire the coach....fans usually don't know what they are talking about and are on the ledge screaming for ridiculous actions.  The administration didn't listen...the cries were much louder the next year when they missed...they didn't listen.

[Galway Eagle]

I'll spare you from the data.  But that's a hard no.

Could only find data for the whole state going back that far and it was lower. But I'd still bet Milwaukee's got more investment in revitalizing it now than then.

[jonny09]

Could only find data for the whole state going back that far and it was lower. But I'd still bet Milwaukee's got more investment in revitalizing it now than then.

That is true. But the population in the metro Milwaukee area is up slightly since the 70's and violent crime has more than doubled.

[The Sultan]

Like a lot of cities, crime centered in certain neighborhoods. And crime isn't the only way to judge a city's livability.

[jonny09]

The violent crime rate in Milwaukee has declined since the 70s.

No.  It hasn't.

[The Sultan]

No.  It hasn't.

I corrected myself. I misread a table that had Wisconsin's overall.

[Galway Eagle]

I corrected myself. I misread a table that had Wisconsin's overall.

Probs the same table I misread when I said I think it had declined