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MU82

Markus kept us in that game in the first half. He had 16 of our 27 points before he left with his 2nd foul at the 4:40 mark. He was 6-for-12 (3-for-6 from arc) with 1 turnover and 1 assist. Nobody else could hit a shot or do much of anything. And after he went out, we didn't play very well, especially in the last minute when we handed them a 7-point lead.

He sucked in the second half, as did everybody else wearing a Marquette uniform or coaching for the Marquette team.

I don't mind giving them some a few open 3s to see if they'd have a good shooting game, but overall I thought Wojo's defensive game plan against Morant was poor.

Otherwise, the golden boyz combined for 9-for-25 shooting, Sacar was MIA, Theo shockingly was in foul trouble, etc.

So it was a total team loss. And if Markus wasn't hot for us early, we'd have been hopelessly out of it by halftime.

I wonder how many more times we'll get to recount how we lost that game. It's fun!
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Marcus92

Quote from: lawdog77 on April 26, 2019, 10:15:06 AM
Yes, plenty of blame to go around. Still not quite sure how someone who shoots 6 for 17 can have an ORtg of 109

Sam was 3 for 7 from beyond the arc, which (if my math is correct) is 64.3% in terms of effective field goal percentage. He also had zero turnovers. Even so, Sam's performance was well below his season average (123.7 ORtg).
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NickelDimer

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 26, 2019, 01:15:09 AM
Then he doesn't know basketball well. MU lost because of a terrible gameplan and lack of adjustments by Wojo for Ja Morant.
Fixed it
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forgetful

#128
Quote from: Marcus92 on April 26, 2019, 10:28:03 AM
Sam was 3 for 7 from beyond the arc, which (if my math is correct) is 64.3% in terms of effective field goal percentage. He also had zero turnovers. Even so, Sam's performance was well below his season average (123.7 ORtg).

He was 6 for 17 overall. His eFG% was 44% for the game. Howard had an eFG% of 41% for the game, and Joey, 38%.

Howard's Ortg is significantly lower because of Turnovers, but he has to be the one handling the ball. If Joey or Sam had to handle the ball significantly, their TOs would go up a lot, and drag down their Ortg.

Part of Sam's efficiency is not having to create his own shot, and not having the have primary ball handling responsibilities.

brewcity77

Quote from: forgetful on April 26, 2019, 12:33:39 PM
Howard's Ortg is significantly lower because of Turnovers, but he has to be the one handling the ball. If Joey or Sam had to handle the ball significantly, their TOs would go up a lot, and drag down their Ortg.

I don't think this is true. Turnover percentage is baked into the formula. Joey's ORtg is hurt by his high TO%. Sam's is helped by his low TO%. Markus is in the middle, it just feels like he turns it over disproportionately because of his usage.

When it comes to ORtg, it's not quantity but percentages that matter.

4everwarriors

Wee got know won hoo could get in Morant's jockstrap and stifel dat mofo. Wojo maid Ja a ho lotta bread dat game, hey?
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MU82

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 26, 2019, 02:39:01 PM
Wee got know won hoo could get in Morant's jockstrap and stifel dat mofo. Wojo maid Ja a ho lotta bread dat game, hey?

Hee allreddy wuz vuwed as topp-tree pick goin' inta dat game ... sew know, oo'na?
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Lennys Tap

Quote from: forgetful on April 26, 2019, 12:33:39 PM

Howard's Ortg is significantly lower because of Turnovers, but he has to be the one handling the ball. If Joey or Sam had to handle the ball significantly, their TOs would go up a lot, and drag down their Ortg.

Part of Sam's efficiency is not having to create his own shot, and not having the have primary ball handling responsibilities.

Really? The one game this year in which Sam had to "handle the ball significantly" was January 15th at Georgetown. Markus was hurt and Joe was bad (only played 11 minutes). Result? We beat the Hoyas at their place (lost to them at home later with Markus) and Sam's numbers were off the charts efficient. 37 minutes, 31 points, 8 rebounds, 60% efg%, 35.2% usage, 130 ORtg, 2 turnovers. He handled it and created his own shot really, really, well. Agreed?

The Sultan

I don't recall that Sam "handled the ball significantly" that game.  He most certainly got his shot without Markus on the floor, but wasn't Sacar the primary ball handler?
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Lennys Tap

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 26, 2019, 08:27:50 PM
I don't recall that Sam "handled the ball significantly" that game.  He most certainly got his shot without Markus on the floor, but wasn't Sacar the primary ball handler?

Sorry you don't recall, but he did. We only had 12 assists that night, 6 of them by Joey. Sam's usage was unusually high (35.2%) and he spent a great deal of time dribbling and creating his own shot. Find a way to watch the tape and I'm sure you'll agree.

Herman Cain

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 26, 2019, 07:53:46 PM
Really? The one game this year in which Sam had to "handle the ball significantly" was January 15th at Georgetown. Markus was hurt and Joe was bad (only played 11 minutes). Result? We beat the Hoyas at their place (lost to them at home later with Markus) and Sam's numbers were off the charts efficient. 37 minutes, 31 points, 8 rebounds, 60% efg%, 35.2% usage, 130 ORtg, 2 turnovers. He handled it and created his own shot really, really, well. Agreed?
I really enjoyed that game and thought Sam played brilliantly.
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withoutbias

if sam is looking for someone to blame for not getting enough shots when he showed he could still be efficient with an increase in usage he should start one place: the mirror.

someone elses problem now.

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MU82

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 26, 2019, 07:53:46 PM
Really? The one game this year in which Sam had to "handle the ball significantly" was January 15th at Georgetown. Markus was hurt and Joe was bad (only played 11 minutes). Result? We beat the Hoyas at their place (lost to them at home later with Markus) and Sam's numbers were off the charts efficient. 37 minutes, 31 points, 8 rebounds, 60% efg%, 35.2% usage, 130 ORtg, 2 turnovers. He handled it and created his own shot really, really, well. Agreed?

Sam was outstanding that game, and anybody who doesn't think so suffers from severe memory loss. It was a fun, enjoyable game.

Sam also was outstanding in the next 5 games after Markus returned, scoring 25, 19, 20, 19 and 19 with a lot of rebounds and some very efficient play. Most of those were fun, enjoyable and victorious games, too.

Sam's a very good basketball player, second-team all-Big East. He usually was outstanding whether or not Markus was on the floor ... until several games at the end of the season when he, like many other Warriors, struggled.
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Herman Cain

Quote from: MU82 on April 26, 2019, 11:25:09 PM
Sam was outstanding that game, and anybody who doesn't think so suffers from severe memory loss. It was a fun, enjoyable game.

Sam also was outstanding in the next 5 games after Markus returned, scoring 25, 19, 20, 19 and 19 with a lot of rebounds and some very efficient play. Most of those were fun, enjoyable and victorious games, too.

Sam's a very good basketball player, second-team all-Big East. He usually was outstanding whether or not Markus was on the floor ... until several games at the end of the season when he, like many other Warriors, struggled.
The thing that marked Sam's career with us was the consistency of his good to very good to great games. Very few bad ones. As you point out he was enjoyable to watch and that is because he did everything in an efficient way that was very smooth and always in the flow of the game.  As the noted basketball observer JJJ pointed out, Sam was his favorite college basketball player.
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forgetful

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 26, 2019, 07:53:46 PM
Really? The one game this year in which Sam had to "handle the ball significantly" was January 15th at Georgetown. Markus was hurt and Joe was bad (only played 11 minutes). Result? We beat the Hoyas at their place (lost to them at home later with Markus) and Sam's numbers were off the charts efficient. 37 minutes, 31 points, 8 rebounds, 60% efg%, 35.2% usage, 130 ORtg, 2 turnovers. He handled it and created his own shot really, really, well. Agreed?

Sam played awesome that came. But if you think that would be repeated with people scouting him and game planning as him the primary ball handler, you are wrong. They would attack him, press him, and hound him all over the court.

He would struggle, as the primary ball handler, with a defensive focus on him.

That isn't taking anything away from him as a player. He is a phenomenal player, but being a primary ball handler is not his role. Its not Markus' either, but Markus is the best option in that role on the team.

Cheeks

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 26, 2019, 07:53:46 PM
Really? The one game this year in which Sam had to "handle the ball significantly" was January 15th at Georgetown. Markus was hurt and Joe was bad (only played 11 minutes). Result? We beat the Hoyas at their place (lost to them at home later with Markus) and Sam's numbers were off the charts efficient. 37 minutes, 31 points, 8 rebounds, 60% efg%, 35.2% usage, 130 ORtg, 2 turnovers. He handled it and created his own shot really, really, well. Agreed?

G'town didn't gameplan for that, it's like the backup QB coming in to save the day, but when he preps to play a full game and the other team plans for him he is shut down.
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Lennys Tap

#141
Quote from: Cheeks on April 27, 2019, 09:56:19 AM
G'town didn't gameplan for that, it's like the backup QB coming in to save the day, but when he preps to play a full game and the other team plans for him he is shut down.

Stop it. Nothing like game planning for a back up QB. Only 5 guys on the court. Our primary ball handler went down and we didn't have a back up guard who could do the job. We put the ball in Sam's hands and as you would expect Georgetown pressured him in hopes of creating TOs and disrupting our offense, Didn't work because Sam handled it superbly.


ATL MU Warrior

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 27, 2019, 10:08:17 AM
Stop it. Nothing like game planning for a back up QB. Only 5 guys on the court. Our primary ball handler went down and we didn't have a back up guard who could do the job. We put the ball in Sam's hands and as you would expect Georgetown pressured him in hopes of creating TOs and disrupting our offense, Didn't work because Sam handled it superbly.
Georgetown pressed us?  Not so sure about that.

Cheeks

#143
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 27, 2019, 10:08:17 AM
Stop it. Nothing like game planning for a back up QB. Only 5 guys on the court. Our primary ball handler went down and we didn't have a back up guard who could do the job. We put the ball in Sam's hands and as you would expect Georgetown pressured him in hopes of creating TOs and disrupting our offense, Didn't work because Sam handled it superbly.

Stop it. No they didn't.  They did not pressure us.  Not in any meaningful way.  In fact that was one of the things fans here were so grateful for....the fact they DIDN'T pressure us.

I don't have the full replay, but here are plenty of highlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXx-rUA2jiw


Odd to see Sam Hauser runs at the end of the game for a long embrace with one guy....Markus Howard.   
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Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on April 27, 2019, 11:41:56 AM
Georgetown pressed us?  Not so sure about that.
Not that Lenny needs help, but where did he say Georgetown "pressed us"?
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Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on April 27, 2019, 01:49:58 PM
Not that Lenny needs help, but where did he say Georgetown "pressed us"?
You are correct.  He said "Georgetown pressured him (Sam)". 

Still not true.

Better?

MU82

And again ... Sam was outstanding in that Georgetown game w/o Markus.

Also outstanding in the next 5 games with Markus -- he got plenty of touches, averaged 20+ points, played his typically sound all-around game.

So I'm not sure what some Scoopers' point is. If the point is that Sam excels without Markus, that's a strawman argument because Sam almost always played quite well with Markus, too, and that's when the Warriors were at our best.

Down the stretch, he and Markus both struggled at times, as did just about every other Warrior. We could have really used Sam to step up then, but he didn't much. Neither did Markus most games. When the 2 guys who are by far your best players both struggle, you usually lose. It happens.

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Herman Cain

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 27, 2019, 10:08:17 AM
Stop it. Nothing like game planning for a back up QB. Only 5 guys on the court. Our primary ball handler went down and we didn't have a back up guard who could do the job. We put the ball in Sam's hands and as you would expect Georgetown pressured him in hopes of creating TOs and disrupting our offense, Didn't work because Sam handled it superbly.
I agree with this analysis
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Lennys Tap

Quote from: MU82 on April 27, 2019, 02:44:46 PM

So I'm not sure what some Scoopers' point is.

Forgetful (and others) said that the reason Sam's ORtg was so much higher than Markus's down the stretch was that Markus had primary ball handling responsibilities. The suggestion was that Sam's ORtg would plummet if he had similar responsibilities.

My point was "Based on what?" In the only game in which that occurred this year Sam's ORtg (and other numbers) were off the charts and we won a road game - so the only empirical evidence we have doesn't support Forgetful's  opinion. In fact, it's in direct opposition to it.

Mr. Sand-Knit

Georgetown was injured and in the middle of a losing streak.  MU looked like crap in that game but scored just enuff points to beat a very bad Gearhtown team.  Now georgetown got a lot better and healthier.  But that night Georgetown was really bad And and we were just a hair less horrible that night.
Now if Sam wants all the shots on a team that struggles to beat a bad team then maybe he should look at the Hozon league
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