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Title: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Not A Serious Person on April 23, 2019, 04:23:13 PM
Talked to two people that are college BBall fans that know I went to MU.  They have no affiliation with the school, think of them as random fans looking at this situation without the emotions we all have.

Both thought the transfers were understandable, one basketball and not enough shots. Neither thought it reflected poorly on MU, it just the way of the world. 

Both thought Howard is one of the most exciting players in college basketball and would rather keep Howard over the Hausers if you had to make that choice.

Both said they long ago gave up on trying to understand the decision of 19 and 21-year-olds.

Both thought that neither would be an NBA player (outside of a 10-day contract or a longer cup of coffee).  So, if they are bailing on a potential top 5 team to go to Bucky or Iowa so they could hoist more shots, stupid move.  MSU and/or Virginia made more sense but the risk is they sign a stud one-and-done next year (their sit out year) and their dream of splitting 25 shots a game between them are gone.  Or, as one said, Howard 2.0.

Bottom line, they did not think this is a signal the world is ending for MU.  They just shrugged their shoulders and said this is the way the world works today.  No big deal, MU still has Howard and that means they are going out of their way to watch next year.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Marcus92 on April 23, 2019, 04:27:54 PM
Getting some additional perspective is always welcome. The sky is not falling. We are not in the midst of a nuclear holocaust. B-R-E-A-T-H-E. Repeat as necessary. Marquette basketball will go on. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on April 23, 2019, 04:47:21 PM
I have posted about similar thoughts from Spartan and Wolverine fans.  And one Dayton fan.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Billy Hoyle on April 23, 2019, 04:54:46 PM
there are currently 790 names on the Transfer Portal.  That's more than two per NCAA institution. Transfers happen, it's not the end of the world.

I would imagine the majority of those 790 are doing what they feel is best for their professional future. Why stay somewhere that isn't developing you (in your mind) for where you want to be 5+ years down the road?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: BrewCity83 on April 23, 2019, 04:59:54 PM
I have posted about similar thoughts from Spartan and Wolverine fans.  And one Dayton fan.

You found him?!?!?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Oldgym on April 23, 2019, 05:03:18 PM
You found him?!?!?

Nice!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on April 23, 2019, 05:05:31 PM
You found him?!?!?
I know 4!  All alum.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Pakuni on April 23, 2019, 05:08:07 PM
And one Dayton fan.

Was his Cavalier broken down along the side of the road again?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: willie warrior on April 23, 2019, 06:54:43 PM
Talked to two people that are college BBall fans that know I went to MU.  They have no affiliation with the school, think of them as random fans looking at this situation without the emotions we all have.

Both thought the transfers were understandable, one basketball and not enough shots. Neither thought it reflected poorly on MU, it just the way of the world. 

Both thought Howard is one of the most exciting players in college basketball and would rather keep Howard over the Hausers if you had to make that choice.

Both said they long ago gave up on trying to understand the decision of 19 and 21-year-olds.

Both thought that neither would be an NBA player (outside of a 10-day contract or a longer cup of coffee).  So, if they are bailing on a potential top 5 team to go to Bucky or Iowa so they could hoist more shots, stupid move.  MSU and/or Virginia made more sense but the risk is they sign a stud one-and-done next year (their sit out year) and their dream of splitting 25 shots a game between them are gone.  Or, as one said, Howard 2.0.

Bottom line, they did not think this is a signal the world is ending for MU.  They just shrugged their shoulders and said this is the way the world works today.  No big deal, MU still has Howard and that means they are going out of their way to watch next year.
Well...they are wrong. It is a big deal
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on April 23, 2019, 07:01:05 PM
2019-20 season will be played any way.    With players who want to be at MU.     And who have a fair amount of talent.    Right now, I predict the 19-20 record approximates or is a game or two better than the 18-19.     Not preseason top 10, but nothing to be ashamed of. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 23, 2019, 07:21:50 PM


Both thought Howard is one of the most exciting players in college basketball and would rather keep Howard over the Hausers if you had to make that choice.

——————

Both thought that neither would be an NBA player (outside of a 10-day contract or a longer cup of coffee).  So, if they are bailing on a potential top 5 team to go to Bucky or Iowa so they could hoist more shots, stupid move.  MSU and/or Virginia made more sense but the risk is they sign a stud one-and-done next year (their sit out year) and their dream of splitting 25 shots a game between them are gone.  Or, as one said, Howard 2.0.


Thanks for the outside perspective.

The above two paragraphs highlight why IMHO the Hausers didn’t think this through very well, if they are looking for a higher profile opportunity to be the go-to guys and/or make a Final Four.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 23, 2019, 07:24:09 PM
I have posted about similar thoughts from Spartan and Wolverine fans.  And one Dayton fan.

Tower - Do you casually remind him of ABD?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on April 23, 2019, 07:30:02 PM
No need.  The ones I know are rational enough to know Dayton needs to raise their program before the Big East will take a Flyer on them.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 🏀 on April 23, 2019, 08:10:32 PM
Was his Cavalier broken down along the side of the road again?

It lives... Thank you
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2019, 08:39:13 PM
Well...they are wrong. It is a big deal

Is MU basketball the only thing that is important in your life? It's only a game. Sure I want to win but it is not the be all or end all of my life.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on April 23, 2019, 08:55:49 PM
Is COMPLAINING ABOUT MU basketball the only thing that is important in your life? It's only a game. Sure I want to win but it is not the be all or end all of my life.
fify
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 23, 2019, 09:14:25 PM
No need.  The ones I know are rational enough to know Dayton needs to raise their program before the Big East will take a Flyer on them.

The pun for the win!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: pbiflyer on April 24, 2019, 07:47:56 AM
I was talking to a friend, who knows nothing about MU bb, about the Hauser situation.
His take was “who?”.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 24, 2019, 07:52:39 AM
I was talking to a friend, who knows nothing about MU bb, about the Hauser situation.
His take was “who?”.

Exactly.

The day after it happened, I opened my Charlotte Observer. They had a college basketball notes section with 4 items. Not a word about the Hausers, meaning a major metro daily didn't think it was newsworthy enough to even run a couple of wire-service paragraphs about it.

We all have tunnel vision. We can do a 6-page thread on Ike. And what happened with Sam and Joey was Hausergeddon, Hausershima and the end of the Hauserverse as we know it.

But outside our little bubble, nobody cares. At least half the folks out there think our school is in Michigan.

Would have been interesting to see what the reaction would have been outside the bubble had the BEast POY/All-American been the one to leave.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 24, 2019, 08:20:23 AM
Exactly.

The day after it happened, I opened my Charlotte Observer. They had a college basketball notes section with 4 items. Not a word about the Hausers, meaning a major metro daily didn't think it was newsworthy enough to even run a couple of wire-service paragraphs about it.

We all have tunnel vision. We can do a 6-page thread on Ike. And what happened with Sam and Joey was Hausergeddon, Hausershima and the end of the Hauserverse as we know it.

But outside our little bubble, nobody cares. At least half the folks out there think our school is in Michigan.

Would have been interesting to see what the reaction would have been outside the bubble had the BEast POY/All-American been the one to leave.

Is it not? I might have been on the wrong board all these years.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: CTWarrior on April 24, 2019, 08:26:24 AM
My sister and her husband are fairly big college basketball fans (they take the first two days of the tournament off from work and have a party) and they weren't aware of the Hausers leaving until I mentioned it over Easter.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 24, 2019, 08:42:17 AM
Talked to two people that are college BBall fans that know I went to MU.  They have no affiliation with the school, think of them as random fans looking at this situation without the emotions we all have.

Both thought the transfers were understandable, one basketball and not enough shots. Neither thought it reflected poorly on MU, it just the way of the world. 

Both thought Howard is one of the most exciting players in college basketball and would rather keep Howard over the Hausers if you had to make that choice.

Both said they long ago gave up on trying to understand the decision of 19 and 21-year-olds.

Both thought that neither would be an NBA player (outside of a 10-day contract or a longer cup of coffee).  So, if they are bailing on a potential top 5 team to go to Bucky or Iowa so they could hoist more shots, stupid move.  MSU and/or Virginia made more sense but the risk is they sign a stud one-and-done next year (their sit out year) and their dream of splitting 25 shots a game between them are gone.  Or, as one said, Howard 2.0.

Bottom line, they did not think this is a signal the world is ending for MU.  They just shrugged their shoulders and said this is the way the world works today.  No big deal, MU still has Howard and that means they are going out of their way to watch next year.

Not surprised that people who know next to nothing and don't give a sh!t about Marquette basketball shrugged their collective shoulders. If a similar thing happened at, say, Oregon, LSU or Memphis I'd feel the same way.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 24, 2019, 09:11:00 AM
There's a sherpa up in the Himalayans who has never even heard of Wisconsin, much less Milwaukee, much less Marquette University.  He only has a vague understanding of basketball, has no idea who the Hausers are, and can't really grasp the concept of a transfer

SO THINGS REALLY AREN'T THAT BAD RIGHT????
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: esotericmindguy on April 24, 2019, 09:12:09 AM
Hold on, there’s now a thread about what friends from other universities think of the Hauser’s transfer? My goodness, move on.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NCMUFan on April 24, 2019, 09:26:16 AM
Even after a forest fire, new growth emerges.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: FruitStandJim on April 24, 2019, 09:32:40 AM
Haven't posted here much. This past season was my first in which I followed Marquette pretty closely (started grad school last Fall).

I'm obviously nowhere near the Marquette fan that most/all of you posting here are. But watching this team all year (on TV, never made it up for a game), I noticed both Hausers upset numerous times after Howard put up shots. I'm not saying I am on either side, but I definitely saw more than a few quick moments when the camera was panned on either Hauser brother, and they looked super frustrated after a Howard shot.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: onepost on April 24, 2019, 09:34:01 AM
It was the second line item on that Monday's "Top News" ESPN scroll, behind only Tiger Woods winning the Masters.
I don't care what your clearly uninformed friends think, in the college basketball world this was a massive deal.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 24, 2019, 09:38:21 AM
It was massive for Marquette. Huge for the  Big East, a noticeable blip for college basketball, and absolutely nothing in the world of sports.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Pakuni on April 24, 2019, 09:46:02 AM
It was the second line item on that Monday's "Top News" ESPN scroll, behind only Tiger Woods winning the Masters.
I don't care what your clearly uninformed friends think, in the college basketball world this was a massive deal.

On the other hand, Andy Katz's top stories of the college basketball offseason so far:

1. Cassius Winston is returning to Michigan State for senior season
2. Udoka Azubuike will play for Kansas next season.
3. Cole Anthony announces he will play for North Carolina.
4. Duke signs the top recruiting class again.
5. Markus Howard is returning for a senior season at Marquette.
6. Jalen Smith is coming back for sophomore season at Maryland.
7. Mick Cronin leaves Cincinnati for UCLA.
8. St. John's hires former Arkansas coach Mike Anderson.
9. Porter Moser turns down St. John's and remains at Loyola-Chicago.
10. Ayo Dosunmu won't declare for NBA draft and will return to Illinois.
11. Nevada hired former UCLA, New Mexico, Iowa coach Steve Alford to replace Eric Musselman.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2019-04-23/11-most-significant-headlines-mens-college-basketball-final


Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on April 24, 2019, 10:28:14 AM
It was the second line item on that Monday's "Top News" ESPN scroll, behind only Tiger Woods winning the Masters.
I don't care what your clearly uninformed friends think, in the college basketball world this was a massive deal.
No it wasn't.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 24, 2019, 11:11:42 AM
On the other hand, Andy Katz's top stories of the college basketball offseason so far:

1. Cassius Winston is returning to Michigan State for senior season
2. Udoka Azubuike will play for Kansas next season.
3. Cole Anthony announces he will play for North Carolina.
4. Duke signs the top recruiting class again.
5. Markus Howard is returning for a senior season at Marquette.
6. Jalen Smith is coming back for sophomore season at Maryland.
7. Mick Cronin leaves Cincinnati for UCLA.
8. St. John's hires former Arkansas coach Mike Anderson.
9. Porter Moser turns down St. John's and remains at Loyola-Chicago.
10. Ayo Dosunmu won't declare for NBA draft and will return to Illinois.
11. Nevada hired former UCLA, New Mexico, Iowa coach Steve Alford to replace Eric Musselman.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2019-04-23/11-most-significant-headlines-mens-college-basketball-final

FWIW, I'm slightly surprised Hausergeddon didn't crack his top 11 -- and I'm quite sure it would have had the Hausers announced right away where they were transferring to.

But I'm not the least bit surprised that even a knowledgeable national basketball voice would rank Markus' return over the departure of the Hausers.

One guy was an All-American who had a bunch of 30-, 40- and 50-point games ... one was a solid wing who does some of everything well (Sam) but wasn't even first-team all-BEast ... and the other was a role player who faded badly at the end of the season.

I'm not trying to minimize the Hausers' departure at all. It really was a Hausershima experience for Marquette's little corner of the basketball world -- our coach let a situation get so out of hand that two valuable players felt they had no choice but to transfer.

I (along with a few others, obviously) just think it's interesting to note that most of America -- even most of basketball-watching America -- met it with a "meh." If that.

As another Scooper said, if it happened at Oregon they'd feel the same way. Exactly.

I can't speak for others, but I wasn't trying to make any kind of grand statement by participating in this thread. I just find it to be an interesting subject.

If others don't agree, I don't believe they are being held hostage in this thread.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Pakuni on April 24, 2019, 11:13:42 AM
FWIW, I'm slightly surprised Hausergeddon didn't crack his top 11 -- and I'm quite sure it would have had the Hausers announced right away where they were transferring to.

If you click the link, the Hausers are mentioned in the Markus item, but as secondary news to his return.

Howard has a chance to be the nation's top scorer after averaging 25 points a game. The departure of the Hauser brothers -- Sam and Joey -- will put even more stress/pressure on Howard. But he can deliver. The Golden Eagles won't be picked as a top-20 team or Big East favorite now without the Hausers, but Howard gives them enough star power to remain in competition for a high Big East finish and NCAA berth.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: onepost on April 24, 2019, 11:27:48 AM
No it wasn't.

You're right, it was the very first line item in The Lead.  My apologies.

https://youtu.be/juny0a7SOCU?t=342
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 24, 2019, 11:38:53 AM
You're right, it was the very first line item in The Lead.  My apologies.

https://youtu.be/juny0a7SOCU?t=342

So?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Pakuni on April 24, 2019, 11:49:36 AM
You're right, it was the very first line item in The Lead.  My apologies.

https://youtu.be/juny0a7SOCU?t=342

What was the first item on The Lead at 3:26 p.m. April 20th?
Outside of Scoop, nobody remembers this stuff.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: onepost on April 24, 2019, 11:50:01 AM
So?

So the whole point of this thread was outside views of the Hausers transferring.  Dayton, Michigan, MSU fans, the couple known for their guac who watches rounds 1/2 didn't realize they left.  I had friends who went to Creighton, Arizona, Michigan, and Vandy who asked me what the hell was going on at Marquette.  I'm saying it was apparently a big enough deal to the sports world that it was the #1 sports news that day.

I don't care what ho-hom college basketball fans know or don't know, to knowledgable CBB fans this was one of the biggest offseason news stories.  A massive deal.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 24, 2019, 11:55:09 AM
It was massive for Marquette. It was notable outside Marquette for a day. It's not even a blip outside of Marquette now.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Silent Verbal on April 24, 2019, 11:57:51 AM
It was massive for Marquette. It was notable outside Marquette for a day. It's not even a blip outside of Marquette now.

It’s still notable and probably massive for recruits and families who are talking to Marquette, especially in regards to the much anticipated 2020 class.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 24, 2019, 11:59:31 AM
It’s still notable and probably massive for recruits and families who are talking to Marquette, especially in regards to the much anticipated 2020 class.

Maybe to some. Others just saw playing time open up. None will remember by the early signing period
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Goose on April 24, 2019, 12:03:12 PM
TAMU


You might be correct when it comes to tier two recruits. There is not a coach that is chasing four and five stars that will not use that against Wojo. Guys that are second rung recruits, likely will not be bothered as much. Not sure what you experience is in the business world, but negative selling is done far too often in real world.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 24, 2019, 12:06:33 PM
TAMU


You might be correct when it comes to tier two recruits. There is not a coach that is chasing four and five stars that will not use that against Wojo. Guys that are second rung recruits, likely will not be bothered as much. Not sure what you experience is in the business world, but negative selling is done far too often in real world.

So I assume that Wojo can use the same things against all of the other programs that see players transfer out every season?  The same stuff happens everywhere.

If I were Wojo, the answer would be simple.  The Hausers didn't want to share the ball.  We have a 2nd team All American returning who is going to be one of 2-3 names in the preseason national player of the year discussion.  They didn't like not being in the limelight.  Pretty easy to deflect that negativity.  And oh by the way, Mr. Top Recruit, Markus is a senior so when you arrive in 2020, there will be plenty of minutes and shots to go around. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Pakuni on April 24, 2019, 12:08:13 PM
It’s still notable and probably massive for recruits and families who are talking to Marquette, especially in regards to the much anticipated 2020 class.

No, it's not. Again, you're vastly overstating things. The primary concern for recruits - especially the really high level recruits - is getting to a place where they can play immediately and develop into a pro. Could the Hauser situation come up in a visit? Sure. But it's unlikely to play a "massive" role in any recruits' decision.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Goose on April 24, 2019, 12:11:56 PM
J5

I am not a fan of negative selling/recruiting, but if Wojo sees an apples to apples situation and chooses to recruit in negative manner, no gripes from me. I have seen in the business world the use of negative selling and the impact can cripple a business.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 24, 2019, 12:15:16 PM
TAMU


You might be correct when it comes to tier two recruits. There is not a coach that is chasing four and five stars that will not use that against Wojo. Guys that are second rung recruits, likely will not be bothered as much. Not sure what you experience is in the business world, but negative selling is done far too often in real world.

Im sure coaches will try. It might work on some. I doubt it will work on many. In my experience, my interactions with a person inform my opinion of them a lot more than the opinions of a guy who I know has a biased reason for talking the guy down
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 24, 2019, 12:15:47 PM
J5

I am not a fan of negative selling/recruiting, but if Wojo sees an apples to apples situation and chooses to recruit in negative manner, no gripes from me. I have seen in the business world the use of negative selling and the impact can cripple a business.

So Jalen Johnson says hey Wojo, what happened with the Hausers?  You'd rather Wojo not just not say anything about it at all and make Jalen think it was some toxic internal situation or coaching issue as opposed to telling him the truth?  That being, Sam and Joey wanted to be the guys and weren't willing to continue to defer to the NPOY the candidate?  I think any coaches using this situation against Wojo, Wojo can explain it away pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Goose on April 24, 2019, 12:19:28 PM
J5

  Than we should expect two top grad players for next season and top ten recruiting class in 2020. You are 100% correct and looking forward to seeing the finishing touches on this class and will be eagerly awaiting 2020 class.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Skip Intro on April 24, 2019, 12:20:55 PM
Maybe to some. Others just saw playing time open up. None will remember by the early signing period

I posted on this earlier over in the recruiting thread, but one of our 2020 targets (Ethan Morton) has apparently ruled out MU at least in part due to the "significant recent changes".  For many teams, losing two contributing starters so unexpectedly means you probably won't make the tourney that year.  If MU doesn't make the tourney, is Wojo likely to even be around for 2020-2021?  When these top level recruits have so many options, a school with stability questions is going to have a hard sell.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 24, 2019, 12:22:55 PM
J5

  Than we should expect two top grad players for next season and top ten recruiting class in 2020. You are 100% correct and looking forward to seeing the finishing touches on this class and will be eagerly awaiting 2020 class.

I have no idea how the 2020 class is going to shake out. Its obviously a big one.  I don't expect us to land top 15 type kids.  But I think it will be nice class hopefully with at least a couple of Dawson Garcia, Dain Dainja, and Jamari Sibley, with some nice guards to finish it out. 

I am not of the belief that Marquette is going to regularly beat out elite blue blood programs for recruits. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 24, 2019, 12:32:50 PM
Two different people can look at the exact same situation and reach two different conclusions. 

Two starters left a projected top 10 team.

Some recruits will wonder what is wrong with the coach/team/program.

Some will wonder what is wrong with the players.

I can see both viewpoints.  Personally,  I'm more nervous about 2020 recruiting since the Hauser transfer.   It's an obstacle for Wojo to overcome but not an impossible one to overcome.   We will see if he can.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Goose on April 24, 2019, 12:40:16 PM
J5

Do you think top 10 recruiting class is likely, top 20 or what are you expectations for 2020 class?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 24, 2019, 12:42:53 PM
J5

Do you think top 10 recruiting class is likely, top 20 or what are you expectations for 2020 class?

How many top 10 classes has Marquette had post Al? Is that a reasonable expectation?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Bocephys on April 24, 2019, 12:51:26 PM
How many top 10 classes has Marquette had post Al? Is that a reasonable expectation?

Also, how many of those classes actually panned out?  I seem to remember Buzz having a few and very few of those players became contributors.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Goose on April 24, 2019, 01:07:28 PM
TAMU

I really have no idea. I guess I am looking for clarity on what will constitute as a "big" 2020 class. In all seriousness, I had assumed that you guys were talking top five type class.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: shoothoops on April 24, 2019, 01:10:15 PM
Outsiders view?  Many to most outsiders I’ve spoken with said they will wait for actual facts and information and not speculate about groups or individuals.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 24, 2019, 01:19:43 PM
J5

Do you think top 10 recruiting class is likely, top 20 or what are you expectations for 2020 class?

I am not plugged in enough to recruiting to give you a definitive answer.  I think top 20 is likely.  I like that Wojo is all over a bunch of top 50 type recruits.  Top 20 can turn into top 5 pretty quickly if you somehow snag a Jalen Johnson or Jalen Suggs, but I am not at all counting on that. 

So I guess we'll have to see, but I am hopeful it will be a monster class.  If its a flop, Wojo is definitely on the hot seat IMO.  And that is coming from someone who doesn't think his seat is the slightest bit warm currently. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on April 24, 2019, 01:25:24 PM
TAMU


You might be correct when it comes to tier two recruits. There is not a coach that is chasing four and five stars that will not use that against Wojo. Guys that are second rung recruits, likely will not be bothered as much. Not sure what you experience is in the business world, but negative selling is done far too often in real world.

That just reminds of car salesmen trash talking other makes of cars, usually dismissed out of hand in my experience as a "consider the source".
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Goose on April 24, 2019, 01:35:00 PM
Waldo

Yes, you are a college educated, likely professionally employed. The target audience of coach is a teenage boy, his parent's, AAU coach and high school coach. In many cases, they either believe every word they hear or cherry pick what they believe. But, I guess you are right. I am sure many kids recruiting would say to their Dad, "hey Pops, Coach XYZ sure sounds like a used car salesman. Don't you agree?"


Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: KampusFoods on April 24, 2019, 01:43:39 PM
Waldo

Yes, you are a college educated, likely professionally employed. The target audience of coach is a teenage boy, his parent's, AAU coach and high school coach. In many cases, they either believe every word they hear or cherry pick what they believe. But, I guess you are right. I am sure many kids recruiting would say to their Dad, "hey Pops, Coach XYZ sure sounds like a used car salesman. Don't you agree?"

You would think (hope) the parents, AAU coach, and high school coach would be the ones telling the kid to be wary of negative recruiting, and not vice versa.

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 24, 2019, 01:58:21 PM


If I were Wojo, the answer would be simple.  The Hausers didn't want to share the ball. 

If I were a recruit or the parent of a recruit who knew anything about Marquette basketball (I would hope recruits and their parents do) and Wojo told me that the Hausers left because they didn't want to share the basketball I would thank Wojo for his interest and show him the door. Telling such an obvious lie at the beginning of a relationship would mean the end of it for me.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 24, 2019, 02:05:25 PM
If I were a recruit or the parent of a recruit who knew anything about Marquette basketball (I would hope recruits and their parents do) and Wojo told me that the Hausers left because they didn't want to share the basketball I would thank Wojo for his interest and show him the door. Telling such an obvious lie at the beginning of a relationship would mean the end of it for me.

Ok.  I know a fair amount about Marquette basketball.  I still struggle to have any real understanding as to why the Hausers left other than the fact that they didn't want to watch their NPOY teammate dominate handling and shooting of the ball next season.

Happy to be set straight on the actual reasons, if you're so tuned in.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Goose on April 24, 2019, 02:17:15 PM
Kampus

Do you follow men's D1 college basketball? Do you really think Mom, Grandma, AAU coach or whomever is always giving sound advice to these kids? I remember talking with Buzz about Jabari Parker and him saying "there are too many piranhas in those waters". Now that is coming from a guy who lives in the grey zone.

Before you jump down my throat, of course there are good parents and smart players out there. But, one thing I always follow in my business life is to prepare for the worst.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on April 24, 2019, 02:26:02 PM
You're right, it was the very first line item in The Lead.  My apologies.

https://youtu.be/juny0a7SOCU?t=342
Good f'in God!  It was on The Lead? 

So a maybe few hundred thousand people saw it for a couple of hours one day?  That is indeed monumental. 

Get a grip
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Pakuni on April 24, 2019, 02:27:30 PM
Kampus

Do you follow men's D1 college basketball? Do you really think Mom, Grandma, AAU coach or whomever is always giving sound advice to these kids? I remember talking with Buzz about Jabari Parker and him saying "there are too many piranhas in those waters". Now that is coming from a guy who lives in the grey zone.

Before you jump down my throat, of course there are good parents and smart players out there. But, one thing I always follow in my business life is to prepare for the worst.

Buzz either lied to you or didn't know what he was talking about.
Jabari's recruitment was lorded over by his dad, former NBA player Sonny Parker. There weren't a bunch of people involved.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: KampusFoods on April 24, 2019, 02:30:23 PM
Kampus

Do you follow men's D1 college basketball? Do you really think Mom, Grandma, AAU coach or whomever is always giving sound advice to these kids? I remember talking with Buzz about Jabari Parker and him saying "there are too many piranhas in those waters". Now that is coming from a guy who lives in the grey zone.

Before you jump down my throat, of course there are good parents and smart players out there. But, one thing I always follow in my business life is to prepare for the worst.

No sorry I don't follow college hoops at all.  ::)

I was just pointing out that you weren't looking at the whole picture when you gave your "kid points out shady coach to dad" example.

And I don't think the "Piranhas" were the reason Buzz didn't go after Jabari. Unless he was referring to K as a Piranha.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Goose on April 24, 2019, 02:39:15 PM
Kampus

He was referring to the fringe posse with their hand's out, not Coach K. That is what I was implying when I asked if you followed college ball. A lot of green gets passed around in recruiting circles.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 24, 2019, 02:40:48 PM
Ok.  I know a fair amount about Marquette basketball.  I still struggle to have any real understanding as to why the Hausers left other than the fact that they didn't want to watch their NPOY teammate dominate handling and shooting of the ball next season.

Happy to be set straight on the actual reasons, if you're so tuned in.

In your original post you said Wojo should tell recruits the Hausers left because they didn't want to share the ball. Untrue. Actually he opposite is the truth. They left because they want to play in a system that does share it.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 24, 2019, 02:42:29 PM
In your original post you said Wojo should tell recruits the Hausers left because they didn't want to share the ball. Untrue. Actually he opposite is the truth. They left because they want to play in a system that does share it.

Which can also be read as they didn't think they were getting the ball enough from the AA teammate, therefore they quit. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: onepost on April 24, 2019, 02:42:37 PM
Good f'in God!  It was on The Lead? 

So a maybe few hundred thousand people saw it for a couple of hours one day?  That is indeed monumental. 

Get a grip

I only posted a link to prove your obtuse "no it wasn't" comment was incorrect.
The argument was made, "well my buddy who played at the rec league in college at Dayton didn't know about it so it must not be seen as a huge deal".  I was simply pointing out the fact that not only was it a huge deal in the CBB world, it was seen as a big enough national sports story to warrant broadcasting it prominently on their bottom line.  So it was considered a big deal then, and accepted as such by any knowledgeable CBB fan going forward.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 24, 2019, 02:47:45 PM
In your original post you said Wojo should tell recruits the Hausers left because they didn't want to share the ball. Untrue. Actually he opposite is the truth. They left because they want to play in a system that does share it.

To play devil's advocate: If the system was the problem,  why did the Hausers announce their transfer 3 days after Howard announced his return?  Why not earlier?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: KampusFoods on April 24, 2019, 02:48:58 PM
Kampus

He was referring to the fringe posse with their hand's out, not Coach K. That is what I was implying when I asked if you followed college ball. A lot of green gets passed around in recruiting circles.

And as Pakuni noted, he was either ignorant or lying.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 24, 2019, 02:56:46 PM
Well...they are wrong. It is a big deal

Thank God for the Wee Willie Contrary Rule.  Glad to know we can now move on without much concern.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 24, 2019, 02:57:29 PM
Which can also be read as they didn't think they were getting the ball enough from the AA teammate, therefore they quit.

You said Wojo should tell recruits the Hausers left because they didn't want to "share".

That is patently false.

Wanting someone who is not sharing to share is not the same thing as not wanting to share. In fact it's the opposite. So if Wojo uses your approach he will be telling a lie that's a known lie. To me that would not be very smart recruiting.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on April 24, 2019, 03:02:54 PM
The Hausers wanted the ball more.  When Markus returned, they left. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 24, 2019, 03:24:47 PM
You said Wojo should tell recruits the Hausers left because they didn't want to "share".

That is patently false.

Wanting someone who is not sharing to share is not the same thing as not wanting to share. In fact it's the opposite. So if Wojo uses your approach he will be telling a lie that's a known lie. To me that would not be very smart recruiting.

JFC, you know what I meant.  I believe I also said in the same post they "wanted the limelight".  The bottomline is the Hausers quit because they have a high volume NPOY candidate on their team and they wanted more of a featured role and weren't going to get it with him around.  Call it whatever TF you want, its a fairly easy thing to explain away to a recruit IMO.  Especially a recruit that will be coming the season after said NPOY candidate and several other seniors graduate.   
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 24, 2019, 03:42:20 PM
To play devil's advocate: If the system was the problem,  why did the Hausers announce their transfer 3 days after Howard announced his return?  Why not earlier?

This question has been asked in a variety of ways over the last week. I have yet to see a satisfactory answer from those who think the Hausers are 100% "innocent" in this fiasco.

Wojo wasn't honest with them. The system stinks. Wojo misled them. They weren't confident Wojo could coach a team to greatness.

Well ... if Markus leaves, Wojo would still be here. If you can't trust Wojo with Markus, why can you suddenly trust him without Markus?

Was the problem Wojo or not?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Nukem2 on April 24, 2019, 03:45:41 PM
This question has been asked in a variety of ways over the last week. I have yet to see a satisfactory answer from those who think the Hausers are 100% "innocent" in this fiasco.

Wojo wasn't honest with them. The system stinks. Wojo misled them. They weren't confident Wojo could coach a team to greatness.

Well ... if Markus leaves, Wojo would still be here. If you can't trust Wojo with Markus, why can you suddenly trust him without Markus?

Was the problem Wojo or not?
As the saying goes.....it takes two to tango. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 24, 2019, 03:48:09 PM
This question has been asked in a variety of ways over the last week. I have yet to see a satisfactory answer from those who think the Hausers are 100% "innocent" in this fiasco.

Wojo wasn't honest with them. The system stinks. Wojo misled them. They weren't confident Wojo could coach a team to greatness.

Well ... if Markus leaves, Wojo would still be here. If you can't trust Wojo with Markus, why can you suddenly trust him without Markus?

Was the problem Wojo or not?

I have no inside info beyond what I have read here.  But it is so abundantly obvious at this point that Sam didn't want to play his senior season with Markus (good friends, or not) and Joey was probably frustrated with his lack of performance / the fact that nothing was really going to change rotationally next season (in fact, the addition of Koby could have pushed Joey to the bench).  So they bolted.  I am sure Wojo had some fault here, and maybe he promised to reign Markus in at times last season and didn't follow through, but this is so evidently on the Hausers. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NWarsh on April 24, 2019, 04:01:06 PM
I have no inside info beyond what I have read here.  But it is so abundantly obvious at this point that Sam didn't want to play his senior season with Markus (good friends, or not) and Joey was probably frustrated with his lack of performance / the fact that nothing was really going to change rotationally next season (in fact, the addition of Koby could have pushed Joey to the bench).  So they bolted.  I am sure Wojo had some fault here, and maybe he promised to reign Markus in at times last season and didn't follow through, but this is so evidently on the Hausers.

This is the most realistic scenario out there.  And there is nothing wrong with the Hauser brothers looking out for #1, everybody does it.  Fanatics (aka fans) will always try to put blame on somebody.  Should Wojo have managed the situation better, yes.  Even if he did, and convinced the Hauser boys not to transfer, there would have always been an underlying tension there that most likely would have torpedoed next year at some point.  So really the only options that realistically could have happened were we lost Howard or the Hauser brothers.

I actually think this is the best scenario given the rift.  We keep an AA & BEPOY with a team filled with people who can really defend around him.  I am not saying we are a better team without the Hauser brothers with everything being perfect, but we are a better team now than we would have been with the Hauser brothers and this time bomb just waiting to go off.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: shoothoops on April 24, 2019, 04:03:45 PM
As the saying goes.....it takes two to tango.

There is also a saying that says “Truth is often times in the middle.”
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 24, 2019, 04:17:02 PM
JFC, you know what I meant.  I believe I also said in the same post they "wanted the limelight".  The bottomline is the Hausers quit because they have a high volume NPOY candidate on their team and they wanted more of a featured role and weren't going to get it with him around.  Call it whatever TF you want, its a fairly easy thing to explain away to a recruit IMO.  Especially a recruit that will be coming the season after said NPOY candidate and several other seniors graduate.   

So you want me to apologize for disagreeing with what you said since it wasn't what you meant and I should have known that. OK. Sorry.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 24, 2019, 04:21:41 PM
There is also a saying that says “Truth is often times in the middle.”

I like that saying about truth. And it's truly true.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 24, 2019, 04:25:32 PM
So you want me to apologize for disagreeing with what you said since it wasn't what you meant and I should have known that. OK. Sorry.

Where did I ask for an apology.  I just don't think you read very well. 

FWIW, here is the full post to what you originally responded to.  There were clarifying comments after the Hausers did not want to share the ball comment. 

So I assume that Wojo can use the same things against all of the other programs that see players transfer out every season?  The same stuff happens everywhere.

If I were Wojo, the answer would be simple.  The Hausers didn't want to share the ball.  We have a 2nd team All American returning who is going to be one of 2-3 names in the preseason national player of the year discussion.  They didn't like not being in the limelight.  Pretty easy to deflect that negativity.  And oh by the way, Mr. Top Recruit, Markus is a senior so when you arrive in 2020, there will be plenty of minutes and shots to go around.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Archies Bat on April 24, 2019, 04:28:25 PM
There are a lot of insider views on this outsider view thread.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 24, 2019, 04:35:51 PM
Where did I ask for an apology.  I just don't think you read very well. 

FWIW, here is the full post to what you originally responded to.  There were clarifying comments after the Hausers did not want to share the ball comment.

I'm not trying to be obtuse. I've read your entire post multiple times and still think the story you want Wojo to tell recruits and their parents wouldn't be truthful.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NickelDimer on April 24, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
To play devil's advocate: If the system was the problem,  why did the Hausers announce their transfer 3 days after Howard announced his return?  Why not earlier?
My understanding is if Markus had left that would've resolved the issue that Wojo wasn’t able to resolve.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 24, 2019, 04:38:37 PM
I'm not trying to be obtuse. I've read your entire post multiple times and still think the story you want Wojo to tell recruits and their parents wouldn't be truthful.

Telling questioning recruits that the Hausers hightailed town because they were going to take a back seat to Markus next season is a lying?

Big, if true.  Please expound on what you know for all of us.   
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: forgetful on April 24, 2019, 04:47:37 PM
My understanding is if Markus had left that would've resolved the issue that Wojo wasn’t able to resolve.

The only way to translate this is:

The Hauser's wanted the ball more. They wanted the offense running through them.

Wojo was going to feature the 2nd team all-American and BE POY.

So if what you say is true JJJJJ's comment regarding what Wojo could tell recruits is 100% true.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: auburnmarquette on April 24, 2019, 05:57:38 PM
You found him?!?!?

Hey, I went their on the way back to Marquette from Virginia to see vcu play Dayton, and they had 17000 fans in that place - much more than we could fit in the Mecca. Low blow :-)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: auburnmarquette on April 24, 2019, 05:59:46 PM
Getting some additional perspective is always welcome. The sky is not falling. We are not in the midst of a nuclear holocaust. B-R-E-A-T-H-E. Repeat as necessary. Marquette basketball will go on. Thanks for posting.

Great post and follow-ups, and agree with you on outside persepctives. One of the most avid Auburn fans in all sports works for me, and when checking in on me this week he said, "you know, I've learned that our fans melt down when something really bad happens for 4 to 5 days, then it's all fine.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: WhiteTrash on April 24, 2019, 06:06:08 PM
The only way to translate this is:

The Hauser's wanted the ball more. They wanted the offense running through them.

Wojo was going to feature the 2nd team all-American and BE POY.

So if what you say is true JJJJJ's comment regarding what Wojo could tell recruits is 100% true.
It's obvious from this thread that the situation can be spun both ways as to who's at fault. But the only truly important question is "can Wojo win at a high level after five years of rebuilding?"

Personally, I don't care if Wojo replaces the Hausers with cocker spaniels, I want to see MU in the Top 25 and a Sweet Sixteen run. The rest is background noise. (other alums I've talked to feel the exact same way)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: IrwinFletcher on April 24, 2019, 07:06:44 PM
Two different people can look at the exact same situation and reach two different conclusions. 

Two starters left a projected top 10 team.

Some recruits will wonder what is wrong with the coach/team/program.

Some will wonder what is wrong with the players.

I can see both viewpoints.  Personally,  I'm more nervous about 2020 recruiting since the Hauser transfer.   It's an obstacle for Wojo to overcome but not an impossible one to overcome.   We will see if he can.

After the Pitino late night dinner at the Italian Restaurant story came out, how did it affect his recruiting?
After Archie Miller stuff came out, how did it affect his recruiting?
Boeheim?

The list goes on.  Wojo will have a good answer for families, IF it even comes up.  Because crap like this happens all the time and players and families really don’t care all that much. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 24, 2019, 07:56:30 PM
Insiders view?
Gtfo u overated unathletic selfish prixs
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 24, 2019, 08:01:27 PM
The only way to translate this is:

The Hauser's wanted the ball more. They wanted the offense running through them.

Wojo was going to feature the 2nd team all-American and BE POY.

So if what you say is true JJJJJ's comment regarding what Wojo could tell recruits is 100% true.

If by translate you mean spin, I agree. Nobody who watched MU play last year could classify Sam as selfish. The same cannot be said of Markus. But if you, JJJJ and others want to spin an unselfish player wanting a selfish one to let off the gas a little and play more team basketball as demanding to be the featured player and demanding the offense be run through him - well, I can't stop you. But it's ludicrous on its face. Any honest person person would acknowledge as much.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: jesmu84 on April 24, 2019, 08:02:47 PM
It's obvious from this thread that the situation can be spun both ways as to who's at fault. But the only truly important question is "can Wojo win at a high level after five years of rebuilding?"

Personally, I don't care if Wojo replaces the Hausers with cocker spaniels, I want to see MU in the Top 25 and a Sweet Sixteen run. The rest is background noise. (other alums I've talked to feel the exact same way)

This is a pretty good take.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 24, 2019, 08:12:34 PM
This is a pretty good take.

Yep guru n jon seem so butt hurt that the Hausers are gone.  Like they were their love spawn or something.  I saw the Hausers as a big part if the problem.  Would the Hausers have ever played for Buzz?  Guru loved Buzz but would the Hausers have played for Buzz? Hell no!!
This team got more competitive and athletic when the lumberjacks left. This kid from Stony Brook is better than Sam and Greg  and Bailey far better than Cry baby Joey
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: jesmu84 on April 24, 2019, 08:26:22 PM
Yep guru n jon seem so butt hurt that the Hausers are gone.  Like they were their love spawn or something.  I saw the Hausers as a big part if the problem.  Would the Hausers have ever played for Buzz?  Guru loved Buzz but would the Hausers have played for Buzz? Hell no!!
This team got more competitive and athletic when the lumberjacks left. This kid from Stony Brook is better than Sam and Greg  and Bailey far better than Cry baby Joey

The Hauser situation is, ultimately, not a good thing.

But there are people, who didn't want/like wojo from the beginning, who take any chance to hate on the guy and the program while he's in charge
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: forgetful on April 24, 2019, 09:08:50 PM
If by translate you mean spin, I agree. Nobody who watched MU play last year could classify Sam as selfish. The same cannot be said of Markus. But if you, JJJJ and others want to spin an unselfish player wanting a selfish one to let off the gas a little and play more team basketball as demanding to be the featured player and demanding the offense be run through him - well, I can't stop you. But it's ludicrous on its face. Any honest person person would acknowledge as much.

I didn't spin anything. I didn't call anyone selfish.

I simply restated what the other poster said he learned from insiders. I then said "if" his report is true, it says what JJJJ suggests Wojo tell recruits would be true.

I, like almost everyone on here, have no idea what actually happened. So I'm not going to jump to any conclusions.

If you want me to postulate what went down. My best guess.

The Hauser's wanted the system changed to a system that fit them best, and that they honestly believed would be the best for the team.

Wojo wanted to go with a system that he thought best set up the team for long term success.

The two systems were not the same. The coach needs to make the decision. That let to conflict. The Hauser's wanted to play their last year in a system they would enjoy the most. They transferred. Simple as that. No one right, no one wrong. No one failing their job, no one being selfish, just people with different opinions going their respective ways.

That happens all the time. I fault no one, except for the fans on here that turned this into a cluster-f&$% after the fact, with rampant speculation and agendas.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 24, 2019, 10:32:48 PM
If by translate you mean spin, I agree. Nobody who watched MU play last year could classify Sam as selfish. The same cannot be said of Markus. But if you, JJJJ and others want to spin an unselfish player wanting a selfish one to let off the gas a little and play more team basketball as demanding to be the featured player and demanding the offense be run through him - well, I can't stop you. But it's ludicrous on its face. Any honest person person would acknowledge as much.

I’m not spinning anything. I am making educated guesses as the situation based on a good amount of data.

I never found Sam Hauser to be anything remotely close to a selfish player. I’ve said that multiple times on here since then news broke. Feel free to look.

But there is really no logical reason why he would transfer other than he was unhappy with his role being Markus’ wingman.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on April 24, 2019, 10:55:06 PM
Yep guru n jon seem so butt hurt that the Hausers are gone.  Like they were their love spawn or something.  I saw the Hausers as a big part if the problem.  Would the Hausers have ever played for Buzz?  Guru loved Buzz but would the Hausers have played for Buzz? Hell no!!
This team got more competitive and athletic when the lumberjacks left. This kid from Stony Brook is better than Sam and Greg  and Bailey far better than Cry baby Joey

Very good points. The Hausers, while talented, were the very kind of guys Buzz teams were told (by Buzz) to “@%&$ with”. Sorry if that hurts peoples’ feelings. I actually thought of Buzz’s quote a few times this year when Joey got absolutely burned multiple times by avg. foot speed guys. I don’t know if the Stony Brook kid is “better” than Sam, but I do think he would help us big-time, and may fit our roster and further boost our quickness.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: RJax55 on April 24, 2019, 11:23:41 PM
But there is really no logical reason why he would transfer other than he was unhappy with his role being Markus’ wingman.

I'm not sold it was that either. That's the narrative being pushed hard by some here. The Hausers were selfish, looking for their own opportunities, wanted to be the top guys, etc.

I think it very much could be a focus on achieving more balance within the offense. With the idea, that more balance would led to greater sustainability, thus a better opportunity to win big. That was the tipping point, faith (or lack of) that the Wojo could get this team (with Markus) to win big.

A more balanced attack would give Sam and Joey more opportunities, but others would benefit as well. That said, I'm not sold that this transfer was specifically about their numbers. I feel it was more about winning and losing and how they feared next season would end up finishing in a similar fashion as what happened this March.

It will be interesting to see where they end up. Perhaps, they misjudged this situation and MU will win big next year with Markus. That's a possibility. We can talk about Koby or Greg all day, but the ball is going to be in Markus' hands next season. A lot. I'm pretty confident his usage will continue to be among the nation's leaders. If it works, we can throw it back at the Hausers on how they missed out on a special season. But, if next year ends of looking more like a redux of how last season ended, the Hausers transfer will very much be looked at as the canary in the coal mine moment.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on April 25, 2019, 12:48:43 AM
RJax55 said:

That said, I'm not sold that this transfer was specifically about their numbers. I feel it was more about winning and losing and how they feared next season would end up finishing in a similar fashion as what happened this March.

It is not about "winning and losing." They did win! They were 24-10! One win from the Big East title...so it is not about that.

I think that failure to not win the Big East when they could have clinched at Fiserv really weighed on the entire situation.

But it was about their numbers and the teams numbers coming up short at the end of games...and shot attempts.

In my opinion:
They not going to win anymore wherever they go than they would of if they had just stayed here...I bet that.

Plus they lose a year of playing...unfortunate. Had they stayed and worked it out all of that would have taken care of itself.

They might have challenged for a National Title... Final Four at least. Just buy in...
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NickelDimer on April 25, 2019, 08:14:04 AM
I'm not sold it was that either. That's the narrative being pushed hard by some here. The Hausers were selfish, looking for their own opportunities, wanted to be the top guys, etc.

I think it very much could be a focus on achieving more balance within the offense. With the idea, that more balance would led to greater sustainability, thus a better opportunity to win big. That was the tipping point, faith (or lack of) that the Wojo could get this team (with Markus) to win big.

A more balanced attack would give Sam and Joey more opportunities, but others would benefit as well. That said, I'm not sold that this transfer was specifically about their numbers. I feel it was more about winning and losing and how they feared next season would end up finishing in a similar fashion as what happened this March.

It will be interesting to see where they end up. Perhaps, they misjudged this situation and MU will win big next year with Markus. That's a possibility. We can talk about Koby or Greg all day, but the ball is going to be in Markus' hands next season. A lot. I'm pretty confident his usage will continue to be among the nation's leaders. If it works, we can throw it back at the Hausers on how they missed out on a special season. But, if next year ends of looking more like a redux of how last season ended, the Hausers transfer will very much be looked at as the canary in the coal mine moment.
Perfectly stated
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on April 25, 2019, 08:52:48 AM


Personally, I don't care if Wojo replaces the Hausers with cocker spaniels, I want to see MU in the Top 25 and a Sweet Sixteen run. The rest is background noise. (other alums I've talked to feel the exact same way)

Only if they are part of the halftime entertainment at the FF.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 25, 2019, 11:22:43 AM
As often happens on Scoop (and other interwebs sites) folks get hung up on a word or two.

In this case, it's "selfish."

I do not think Sam was a selfish player. He usually was the opposite of that, although there were stretches (Seton Hall game, IIRC) where he took a couple of crazy shots late that, if another Warrior had taken them, he'd have been called "selfish" by some.

But I do think there were aspects of his decision to transfer that were "selfish" because he was thinking about his own situation rather than the team's. I don't like that he did it but I understand why (if it's for the reason I think it was).

There isn't a single one of us who isn't "selfish" at times. Nobody has my interests at heart more than I do. Nobody has your interests at heart more than you do. And nobody has Sam's interests at heart more than Sam does. So of course Sam was "selfish" here in that he obviously was thinking more about his own basketball situation than about Marquette's basketball situation.

But kind of like "quitter," it's that word -- "selfish" -- that makes folks recoil because it has such a negative connotation.

Oh, and I STILL have not seen a good explanation as to why, if it was all about Wojo's dishonesty and not about Markus, the Hausers would have been willing to keep playing under the dishonest Wojo if Markus had left.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 25, 2019, 12:48:38 PM

Oh, and I STILL have not seen a good explanation as to why, if it was all about Wojo's dishonesty and not about Markus, the Hausers would have been willing to keep playing under the dishonest Wojo if Markus had left.

I think that one is actually pretty easy. I think Sam actually liked Wojo's motion offense (i.e., "system"). When run the way it was drawn up it everyone was involved and the team was successful. When Markus chucked the system and took over games himself the team was initially successful (Buffalo, e.g.) but Sam felt that hero ball would ultimately be the team's downfall. He was right.

Sam (logically, IMO) felt that if Markus left it would be back to the system and the end of hero ball. When Markus announced his return, either Wojo was unsuccessful in  trying to convince  Sam that Markus would be expected to play within the system next year or Wojo told Sam the freelancing would continue unabated with his blessing. Either way, Sam was gone.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: CTWarrior on April 25, 2019, 12:53:36 PM
Oh, and I STILL have not seen a good explanation as to why, if it was all about Wojo's dishonesty and not about Markus, the Hausers would have been willing to keep playing under the dishonest Wojo if Markus had left.
The most obvious reason is that if they believe that Wojo has a "star" system which lets the star control the game without much in the way of consequences, with Howard gone Sam would have been the star and could either instill more of a team ethic on the floor or hoist up 20 shots a night himself.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 25, 2019, 12:59:40 PM
I think that one is actually pretty easy. I think Sam actually liked Wojo's motion offense (i.e., "system"). When run the way it was drawn up it everyone was involved and the team was successful. When Markus chucked the system and took over games himself the team was initially successful (Buffalo, e.g.) but Sam felt that hero ball would ultimately be the team's downfall. He was right.

Sam (logically, IMO) felt that if Markus left it would be back to the system and the end of hero ball. When Markus announced his return, either Wojo was unsuccessful in  trying to convince  Sam that Markus would be expected to play within the system next year or Wojo told Sam the freelancing would continue unabated with his blessing. Either way, Sam was gone.

That's the best explanation I have seen, Lenny.

However ...

Two different older-guard Scoopers who claim to be in the know about the Hauser family's intimate thoughts sent me PMs saying well before Markus' announcement that the family's level of trust of Wojo had completely evaporated. They felt misled by him and doubted he had the team's best interests at heart.

And Wojo was still going to be here, the same guy they had completely lost faith in.

These things are rarely "easy," Lenny.

The most obvious reason is that if they believe that Wojo has a "star" system which lets the star control the game without much in the way of consequences, with Howard gone Sam would have been the star and could either instill more of a team ethic on the floor or hoist up 20 shots a night himself.

OK, that I can believe a little more. The whole "they lost their faith in Wojo" angle might have been a smokescreen, or overstated ... and, in the end, Sam just wanted more shots and touches, and wanted more of a say in how the offense would be run.

That makes some sense, CTW, but the "Hausers are the golden children who aren't even 1% about themselves" folks have trouble with that theory.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 25, 2019, 01:13:49 PM
That's the best explanation I have seen, Lenny.

However ...

Two different older-guard Scoopers who claim to be in the know about the Hauser family's intimate thoughts sent me PMs saying well before Markus' announcement that the family's level of trust of Wojo had completely evaporated. They felt misled by him and doubted he had the team's best interests at heart.

And Wojo was still going to be here, the same guy they had completely lost faith in.

These things are rarely "easy," Lenny.


I'm not privy to what's said in team meetings. Perhaps Wojo acknowledged that at times they were moving away from the system into "hero ball" and that it needed to change. But it didn't. Hence a loss of "faith", "trust", whatever. Of course if Markus left, getting back to the system the Hausers liked would be seamless and trust (at least a level of it) could be restored. But with Markus coming back one of two things happened: Wojo said Markus would be reined in or he wouldn't. If the former, there was (in the Hausers opinion) enough past evidence to make them non believers. If the latter there was nothing even to discuss. Who knows? Doesn't matter, really.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 25, 2019, 01:45:42 PM
I'm not privy to what's said in team meetings. Perhaps Wojo acknowledged that at times they were moving away from the system into "hero ball" and that it needed to change. But it didn't. Hence a loss of "faith", "trust", whatever. Of course if Markus left, getting back to the system the Hausers liked would be seamless and trust (at least a level of it) could be restored. But with Markus coming back one of two things happened: Wojo said Markus would be reined in or he wouldn't. If the former, there was (in the Hausers opinion) enough past evidence to make them non believers. If the latter there was nothing even to discuss. Who knows? Doesn't matter, really.

Fair enough, Lenny. Your last sentence is the one that really resonates now.

The Hausers are gone. Wojo and Markus are still here, as is a group of players who want to be here and want to win here. Hopefully, more reinforcements are on the way, both for next season and for 2020-21 and beyond.

We are Marquette!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Nukem2 on April 25, 2019, 01:47:19 PM
Fair enough, Lenny. Your last sentence is the one that really resonates now.

The Hausers are gone. Wojo and Markus are still here, as is a group of players who want to be here and want to win here. Hopefully, more reinforcements are on the way, both for next season and for 2020-21 and beyond.

We are Marquette!
Yup, they are history.  Need to focus on the here and now as well as the future. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Equalizer on April 25, 2019, 07:29:57 PM

Oh, and I STILL have not seen a good explanation as to why, if it was all about Wojo's dishonesty and not about Markus, the Hausers would have been willing to keep playing under the dishonest Wojo if Markus had left.

How about this:

Lets go back to a comment that someone made back in February that suggested Koby (and not Joey) was the 3rd best player in practice. 

Talk is McEwen is 3rd best player in practice......

Hope this is true......and he is pulling Ellitott along with him.....

Now let's say Wojo promised that Joey and Sam would start together for two years, fulfilling the brothers' dream, expecting that he wouldn't have Markus for 19-20.

Everything works out fine if Markus leaves, even if Koby is outperforming Joey--that means a likely starting lineup of Koby, Sam, Joey, Theo and Sacar.  It would still give Joey ample opportunity to shine as a starter.

But with Markus returning, the starting lineup could have been Markus, Sam, Koby, Theo, and Sacar, with Joey off the bench.   

On hearing Markus comes back, Joey asks Wojo: "Im still starting, right", and Wojo says "We'll see about that in November--you have to earn it," thus becoming dishonest Wojo.  Team Hauser gets pissed because in their minds, Wojo broke a promise. 


Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Newsdreams on April 25, 2019, 08:10:07 PM
How about this:

Lets go back to a comment that someone made back in February that suggested Koby (and not Joey) was the 3rd best player in practice. 

Now let's say Wojo promised that Joey and Sam would start together for two years, fulfilling the brothers' dream, expecting that he wouldn't have Markus for 19-20.

Everything works out fine if Markus leaves, even if Koby is outperforming Joey--that means a likely starting lineup of Koby, Sam, Joey, Theo and Sacar.  It would still give Joey ample opportunity to shine as a starter.

But with Markus returning, the starting lineup could have been Markus, Sam, Koby, Theo, and Sacar, with Joey off the bench.   

On hearing Markus comes back, Joey asks Wojo: "Im still starting, right", and Wojo says "We'll see about that in November--you have to earn it," thus becoming dishonest Wojo.  Team Hauser gets pissed because in their minds, Wojo broke a promise.
This is what I have thought. Also Wojo did bow to their wish to not keep recruiting Herro. A big mistake. What they really missed is that the ball will not be in Markus hands at the beginning of the offensive possession but mostly in Koby's and distribution would have been a lot better.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 25, 2019, 08:27:52 PM
This, coupled with equalizers thoughts re: koby vs Joey

“Two different older-guard Scoopers who claim to be in the know about the Hauser family's intimate thoughts sent me PMs saying well before Markus' announcement that the family's level of trust of Wojo had completely evaporated. They felt misled by him and doubted he had the team's best interests at heart.”


So the Hauser felt misled by Wojo cuz he can’t promise Joey he will be starting?  Then, doubt Wojo has the teams best interest at heart? 

  Nothing wrong with team mates pushing each other to be BETTER. Whoever is ringing the bell, gets the pt baby last season, Wojo gave Joey an awfully long leash.  Not taking him out after blowing some defensive assignments or his fill in the blank turnover(s) could have also indicated to some that Wojo didn’t or had trouble standing up to the Hausers cuz he had a “ deal” with them? 

Now, let me just preface all this with, if this were the scenario, then, maybe Wojo had some difficulties fitting the pieces together. Now, despite losing one very good talent and another with a lot of promise, Wojo will set some new ground rules...well, he has to cuz what’s his alternative...learn from ones mistakes. If ya don’t acknowledge history, it’s bound to repeat itself, Eyna?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on April 25, 2019, 08:38:13 PM
How about this:

Lets go back to a comment that someone made back in February that suggested Koby (and not Joey) was the 3rd best player in practice. 

Now let's say Wojo promised that Joey and Sam would start together for two years, fulfilling the brothers' dream, expecting that he wouldn't have Markus for 19-20.

Everything works out fine if Markus leaves, even if Koby is outperforming Joey--that means a likely starting lineup of Koby, Sam, Joey, Theo and Sacar.  It would still give Joey ample opportunity to shine as a starter.

But with Markus returning, the starting lineup could have been Markus, Sam, Koby, Theo, and Sacar, with Joey off the bench.   

On hearing Markus comes back, Joey asks Wojo: "Im still starting, right", and Wojo says "We'll see about that in November--you have to earn it," thus becoming dishonest Wojo.  Team Hauser gets pissed because in their minds, Wojo broke a promise.
I've made a version of this argument.  To add on, Bailey played very well down the stretch and, if this is true, Sam and Joey would be competing with each other.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Newsdreams on April 25, 2019, 08:45:53 PM
I've made a version of this argument.  To add on, Bailey played very well down the stretch and, if this is true, Sam and Joey would be competing with each other.
Definitely. But I could see depending on matchups fouls and game flow Joey would come in for Sacar /Theo or Ed / Sam. They'll most likely compete with each other wherever they go unless the team has no Forwards
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 25, 2019, 09:41:41 PM
I appreciate everybody's attempts to answer the question. I've moved on.

Go Marquette!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 25, 2019, 10:24:20 PM
I've made a version of this argument.  To add on, Bailey played very well down the stretch and, if this is true, Sam and Joey would be competing with each other.

Hope you and the others are right. If Joey was headed for the bench and we've got a grad transfer who's a better shooter than Sam headed our way we should be better off without them, their terrible attitude and all the dissension they caused. So,  between #2 and #7 with them. What have we moved up to? #National Champs 2020
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: denverMU on April 25, 2019, 10:27:41 PM
So, my oldest brother is a MSU grad and big college b-ball fan.  His opinion of the Hauser’s.....they aren’t coming to MSU...no room and they aren’t that good.  Watched the MU/Murray St. game and thought MU lost because of Joey.  Thinks Wojo told Joey his playing time would probably go down and that led mom and dad Hauser decide their sons were leaving MU.  I don’t know what happened but that is another outsider view.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 25, 2019, 11:48:57 PM
So, my oldest brother is a MSU grad and big college b-ball fan.  His opinion of the Hauser’s.....they aren’t coming to MSU...no room and they aren’t that good.  Watched the MU/Murray St. game and thought MU lost because of Joey.  Thinks Wojo told Joey his playing time would probably go down and that led mom and dad Hauser decide their sons were leaving MU.  I don’t know what happened but that is another outsider view.

I doubt Wojo told Joey his playing time would be reduced; coaches just don't say that kind of thing. Much easier to believe: Wojo told Joey that he needed to take his game to another level if he wanted to continue getting the kind of playing time he received this year.

There's a big difference. The latter is the kind of challenge that coaches make to players all the time: You have to get better because the people who want your playing time are determined to get better. It's Coaching 101, because it puts the situation in the player's control.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Billy Hoyle on April 26, 2019, 01:15:09 AM
Watched the MU/Murray St. game and thought MU lost because of Joey. 

Then he doesn’t know basketball well. MU lost because of Ja Morant.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: shoothoops on April 26, 2019, 06:21:15 AM
Outsiders obviously aren’t going to care anywhere near as much as much as MU fans. If Marquette is successful next year and in the coming years, the Hauser’s won’t be thought of much or mentioned. If Marquette stumbles and struggles next season and beyond, some people will mention the Hauser’s leaving.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: #UnleashSean on April 26, 2019, 06:38:43 AM
So, my oldest brother is a MSU grad and big college b-ball fan.  His opinion of the Hauser’s.....they aren’t coming to MSU...no room and they aren’t that good.  Watched the MU/Murray St. game and thought MU lost because of Joey.  Thinks Wojo told Joey his playing time would probably go down and that led mom and dad Hauser decide their sons were leaving MU.  I don’t know what happened but that is another outsider view.

I'd guess the pg who went 9 for 27 with 2 assists was more at fault then the 6٪ usage 3/8 PF. But that's just me.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 26, 2019, 08:46:57 AM
I'd guess the pg who went 9 for 27 with 2 assists was more at fault then the 6٪ usage 3/8 PF. But that's just me.

Yeah, no offense to denver's brother or our own Billy Hoyle but they're both wrong.

The biggest reason we were routed was because we didn't play anything that resembled team basketball and the person most responsible for that (Markus) was awful.

The second biggest reason we were annihilated was that Murray State played quintessential team basketball and the person most responsible for that (Ja) was outstanding.

Here are the unhappy totals for both teams starting 5s:

Murray St:    Usage%   ORtg
KJ Williams     24.3        132
Ja Morant       23.8        122
T Brown         19,9        143
D Cowert        19.4        103
Shaq              17.4        111

Marquette:
M Howard       42.8         95
S Hauser        20.7         109
J Hauser         17.8          80
S Anim            7.0           25
T John            10.3          36

Markus took almost half of our shots and shot very poorly. We double teamed Morant and hoped he wouldn't find wide open shooters - even though that was the greatest strength of his game.

So the two biggest reasons we lost? Bad Markus showed up and still insisted to hog the ball and Wojo's strategy to make the best passer in college basketball pass the ball backfired. Duh.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Marcus92 on April 26, 2019, 10:06:58 AM
I wish there were only two reasons we lost to Murray State.

In addition to getting open looks, MSU also made those shots at an incredibly high rate. A team that averaged 35% from three-point range hit 9 of 18 (50.0%) against MU -- their highest three-point percentage of the season. That alone accounts for 8 or 9 points of the victory margin compared to a typical performance. Murray State's 55.3% shooting inside the arc was in line with their season average (56.2%).

As for Markus...

While it's true that he took half our shots and performed poorly, the guys who took the other half of our shots were even worse.

Markus shot 4-14 (28.6%) from beyond the arc; the rest of the team shot just 4-17 (23.5%). The result was MU's second-worst 3-point shooting performance of the season. Markus was 5-13 (38.5%) on 2-pointers; the rest of the team was 11-30 (36.7%). Again, the second-worst team performance of the season.

I'm not a fan of hero ball. But absolutely nothing else was working, either.

Add it all up, and Marquette made four fewer 3-point shots and five fewer 2-point shots than we'd be expected to make, given our season averages. In other words, the offense produced roughly 22 fewer points than it would have in a typical game.

This is not a defense of Wojo's game plan, his coaching or Markus. There is no defense for a game like that. It's simply an acknowledgement that Markus doesn't deserve all the blame. This was a team beatdown in every way.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: lawdog77 on April 26, 2019, 10:15:06 AM
Yes, plenty of blame to go around. Still not quite sure how someone who shoots 6 for 17 can have an ORtg of 109
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 26, 2019, 10:25:06 AM
Markus kept us in that game in the first half. He had 16 of our 27 points before he left with his 2nd foul at the 4:40 mark. He was 6-for-12 (3-for-6 from arc) with 1 turnover and 1 assist. Nobody else could hit a shot or do much of anything. And after he went out, we didn't play very well, especially in the last minute when we handed them a 7-point lead.

He sucked in the second half, as did everybody else wearing a Marquette uniform or coaching for the Marquette team.

I don't mind giving them some a few open 3s to see if they'd have a good shooting game, but overall I thought Wojo's defensive game plan against Morant was poor.

Otherwise, the golden boyz combined for 9-for-25 shooting, Sacar was MIA, Theo shockingly was in foul trouble, etc.

So it was a total team loss. And if Markus wasn't hot for us early, we'd have been hopelessly out of it by halftime.

I wonder how many more times we'll get to recount how we lost that game. It's fun!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Marcus92 on April 26, 2019, 10:28:03 AM
Yes, plenty of blame to go around. Still not quite sure how someone who shoots 6 for 17 can have an ORtg of 109

Sam was 3 for 7 from beyond the arc, which (if my math is correct) is 64.3% in terms of effective field goal percentage. He also had zero turnovers. Even so, Sam's performance was well below his season average (123.7 ORtg).
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NickelDimer on April 26, 2019, 11:38:03 AM
Then he doesn’t know basketball well. MU lost because of a terrible gameplan and lack of adjustments by Wojo for Ja Morant.
Fixed it
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: forgetful on April 26, 2019, 12:33:39 PM
Sam was 3 for 7 from beyond the arc, which (if my math is correct) is 64.3% in terms of effective field goal percentage. He also had zero turnovers. Even so, Sam's performance was well below his season average (123.7 ORtg).

He was 6 for 17 overall. His eFG% was 44% for the game. Howard had an eFG% of 41% for the game, and Joey, 38%.

Howard's Ortg is significantly lower because of Turnovers, but he has to be the one handling the ball. If Joey or Sam had to handle the ball significantly, their TOs would go up a lot, and drag down their Ortg.

Part of Sam's efficiency is not having to create his own shot, and not having the have primary ball handling responsibilities.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: brewcity77 on April 26, 2019, 01:49:22 PM
Howard's Ortg is significantly lower because of Turnovers, but he has to be the one handling the ball. If Joey or Sam had to handle the ball significantly, their TOs would go up a lot, and drag down their Ortg.

I don't think this is true. Turnover percentage is baked into the formula. Joey's ORtg is hurt by his high TO%. Sam's is helped by his low TO%. Markus is in the middle, it just feels like he turns it over disproportionately because of his usage.

When it comes to ORtg, it's not quantity but percentages that matter.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 26, 2019, 02:39:01 PM
Wee got know won hoo could get in Morant's jockstrap and stifel dat mofo. Wojo maid Ja a ho lotta bread dat game, hey?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 26, 2019, 03:33:37 PM
Wee got know won hoo could get in Morant's jockstrap and stifel dat mofo. Wojo maid Ja a ho lotta bread dat game, hey?

Hee allreddy wuz vuwed as topp-tree pick goin' inta dat game ... sew know, oo'na?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 26, 2019, 07:53:46 PM

Howard's Ortg is significantly lower because of Turnovers, but he has to be the one handling the ball. If Joey or Sam had to handle the ball significantly, their TOs would go up a lot, and drag down their Ortg.

Part of Sam's efficiency is not having to create his own shot, and not having the have primary ball handling responsibilities.

Really? The one game this year in which Sam had to "handle the ball significantly" was January 15th at Georgetown. Markus was hurt and Joe was bad (only played 11 minutes). Result? We beat the Hoyas at their place (lost to them at home later with Markus) and Sam's numbers were off the charts efficient. 37 minutes, 31 points, 8 rebounds, 60% efg%, 35.2% usage, 130 ORtg, 2 turnovers. He handled it and created his own shot really, really, well. Agreed?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 26, 2019, 08:27:50 PM
I don't recall that Sam "handled the ball significantly" that game.  He most certainly got his shot without Markus on the floor, but wasn't Sacar the primary ball handler?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 26, 2019, 08:41:29 PM
I don't recall that Sam "handled the ball significantly" that game.  He most certainly got his shot without Markus on the floor, but wasn't Sacar the primary ball handler?

Sorry you don't recall, but he did. We only had 12 assists that night, 6 of them by Joey. Sam's usage was unusually high (35.2%) and he spent a great deal of time dribbling and creating his own shot. Find a way to watch the tape and I'm sure you'll agree.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Herman Cain on April 26, 2019, 09:02:47 PM
Really? The one game this year in which Sam had to "handle the ball significantly" was January 15th at Georgetown. Markus was hurt and Joe was bad (only played 11 minutes). Result? We beat the Hoyas at their place (lost to them at home later with Markus) and Sam's numbers were off the charts efficient. 37 minutes, 31 points, 8 rebounds, 60% efg%, 35.2% usage, 130 ORtg, 2 turnovers. He handled it and created his own shot really, really, well. Agreed?
I really enjoyed that game and thought Sam played brilliantly.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: withoutbias on April 26, 2019, 09:24:32 PM
if sam is looking for someone to blame for not getting enough shots when he showed he could still be efficient with an increase in usage he should start one place: the mirror.

someone elses problem now.

🐍
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 26, 2019, 11:25:09 PM
Really? The one game this year in which Sam had to "handle the ball significantly" was January 15th at Georgetown. Markus was hurt and Joe was bad (only played 11 minutes). Result? We beat the Hoyas at their place (lost to them at home later with Markus) and Sam's numbers were off the charts efficient. 37 minutes, 31 points, 8 rebounds, 60% efg%, 35.2% usage, 130 ORtg, 2 turnovers. He handled it and created his own shot really, really, well. Agreed?

Sam was outstanding that game, and anybody who doesn't think so suffers from severe memory loss. It was a fun, enjoyable game.

Sam also was outstanding in the next 5 games after Markus returned, scoring 25, 19, 20, 19 and 19 with a lot of rebounds and some very efficient play. Most of those were fun, enjoyable and victorious games, too.

Sam's a very good basketball player, second-team all-Big East. He usually was outstanding whether or not Markus was on the floor ... until several games at the end of the season when he, like many other Warriors, struggled.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Herman Cain on April 26, 2019, 11:47:16 PM
Sam was outstanding that game, and anybody who doesn't think so suffers from severe memory loss. It was a fun, enjoyable game.

Sam also was outstanding in the next 5 games after Markus returned, scoring 25, 19, 20, 19 and 19 with a lot of rebounds and some very efficient play. Most of those were fun, enjoyable and victorious games, too.

Sam's a very good basketball player, second-team all-Big East. He usually was outstanding whether or not Markus was on the floor ... until several games at the end of the season when he, like many other Warriors, struggled.
The thing that marked Sam's career with us was the consistency of his good to very good to great games. Very few bad ones. As you point out he was enjoyable to watch and that is because he did everything in an efficient way that was very smooth and always in the flow of the game.  As the noted basketball observer JJJ pointed out, Sam was his favorite college basketball player.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: forgetful on April 27, 2019, 09:29:49 AM
Really? The one game this year in which Sam had to "handle the ball significantly" was January 15th at Georgetown. Markus was hurt and Joe was bad (only played 11 minutes). Result? We beat the Hoyas at their place (lost to them at home later with Markus) and Sam's numbers were off the charts efficient. 37 minutes, 31 points, 8 rebounds, 60% efg%, 35.2% usage, 130 ORtg, 2 turnovers. He handled it and created his own shot really, really, well. Agreed?

Sam played awesome that came. But if you think that would be repeated with people scouting him and game planning as him the primary ball handler, you are wrong. They would attack him, press him, and hound him all over the court.

He would struggle, as the primary ball handler, with a defensive focus on him.

That isn't taking anything away from him as a player. He is a phenomenal player, but being a primary ball handler is not his role. Its not Markus' either, but Markus is the best option in that role on the team.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on April 27, 2019, 09:56:19 AM
Really? The one game this year in which Sam had to "handle the ball significantly" was January 15th at Georgetown. Markus was hurt and Joe was bad (only played 11 minutes). Result? We beat the Hoyas at their place (lost to them at home later with Markus) and Sam's numbers were off the charts efficient. 37 minutes, 31 points, 8 rebounds, 60% efg%, 35.2% usage, 130 ORtg, 2 turnovers. He handled it and created his own shot really, really, well. Agreed?

G’town didn’t gameplan for that, it’s like the backup QB coming in to save the day, but when he preps to play a full game and the other team plans for him he is shut down.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 27, 2019, 10:08:17 AM
G’town didn’t gameplan for that, it’s like the backup QB coming in to save the day, but when he preps to play a full game and the other team plans for him he is shut down.

Stop it. Nothing like game planning for a back up QB. Only 5 guys on the court. Our primary ball handler went down and we didn't have a back up guard who could do the job. We put the ball in Sam's hands and as you would expect Georgetown pressured him in hopes of creating TOs and disrupting our offense, Didn't work because Sam handled it superbly.

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on April 27, 2019, 11:41:56 AM
Stop it. Nothing like game planning for a back up QB. Only 5 guys on the court. Our primary ball handler went down and we didn't have a back up guard who could do the job. We put the ball in Sam's hands and as you would expect Georgetown pressured him in hopes of creating TOs and disrupting our offense, Didn't work because Sam handled it superbly.
Georgetown pressed us?  Not so sure about that.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on April 27, 2019, 12:45:12 PM
Stop it. Nothing like game planning for a back up QB. Only 5 guys on the court. Our primary ball handler went down and we didn't have a back up guard who could do the job. We put the ball in Sam's hands and as you would expect Georgetown pressured him in hopes of creating TOs and disrupting our offense, Didn't work because Sam handled it superbly.

Stop it. No they didn't.  They did not pressure us.  Not in any meaningful way.  In fact that was one of the things fans here were so grateful for....the fact they DIDN'T pressure us.

I don't have the full replay, but here are plenty of highlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXx-rUA2jiw


Odd to see Sam Hauser runs at the end of the game for a long embrace with one guy....Markus Howard.   
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on April 27, 2019, 01:49:58 PM
Georgetown pressed us?  Not so sure about that.
Not that Lenny needs help, but where did he say Georgetown "pressed us"?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on April 27, 2019, 01:52:13 PM
Not that Lenny needs help, but where did he say Georgetown "pressed us"?
You are correct.  He said “Georgetown pressured him (Sam)”. 

Still not true.

Better?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 27, 2019, 02:44:46 PM
And again ... Sam was outstanding in that Georgetown game w/o Markus.

Also outstanding in the next 5 games with Markus -- he got plenty of touches, averaged 20+ points, played his typically sound all-around game.

So I'm not sure what some Scoopers' point is. If the point is that Sam excels without Markus, that's a strawman argument because Sam almost always played quite well with Markus, too, and that's when the Warriors were at our best.

Down the stretch, he and Markus both struggled at times, as did just about every other Warrior. We could have really used Sam to step up then, but he didn't much. Neither did Markus most games. When the 2 guys who are by far your best players both struggle, you usually lose. It happens.

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Herman Cain on April 27, 2019, 09:04:43 PM
Stop it. Nothing like game planning for a back up QB. Only 5 guys on the court. Our primary ball handler went down and we didn't have a back up guard who could do the job. We put the ball in Sam's hands and as you would expect Georgetown pressured him in hopes of creating TOs and disrupting our offense, Didn't work because Sam handled it superbly.
I agree with this analysis
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 27, 2019, 09:35:11 PM

So I'm not sure what some Scoopers' point is.

Forgetful (and others) said that the reason Sam's ORtg was so much higher than Markus's down the stretch was that Markus had primary ball handling responsibilities. The suggestion was that Sam's ORtg would plummet if he had similar responsibilities.

My point was "Based on what?" In the only game in which that occurred this year Sam's ORtg (and other numbers) were off the charts and we won a road game - so the only empirical evidence we have doesn't support Forgetful's  opinion. In fact, it's in direct opposition to it.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 27, 2019, 09:43:18 PM
Georgetown was injured and in the middle of a losing streak.  MU looked like crap in that game but scored just enuff points to beat a very bad Gearhtown team.  Now georgetown got a lot better and healthier.  But that night Georgetown was really bad And and we were just a hair less horrible that night.
Now if Sam wants all the shots on a team that struggles to beat a bad team then maybe he should look at the Hozon league
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on April 27, 2019, 10:22:37 PM
Forgetful (and others) said that the reason Sam's ORtg was so much higher than Markus's down the stretch was that Markus had primary ball handling responsibilities. The suggestion was that Sam's ORtg would plummet if he had similar responsibilities.

My point was "Based on what?" In the only game in which that occurred this year Sam's ORtg (and other numbers) were off the charts and we won a road game - so the only empirical evidence we have doesn't support Forgetful's  opinion. In fact, it's in direct opposition to it.

Thanks for the explanation, Lenny, and I now understand your point better.

I also hope you understand mine: Sam had LOTS of great games playing alongside Markus. He didn't need to get rid of Markus to continue to have lots of great games.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Avenue Commons on April 28, 2019, 09:26:12 AM
I've said all along that nothing unusual happened in one of the Hausers wanting to transfer. Happens all the time. The only unusual thing was that there was a pair of brothers and the other went along with the transfer. Stuff happens. Next man up.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 28, 2019, 09:53:53 AM
Georgetown was injured and in the middle of a losing streak.  MU looked like crap in that game but scored just enuff points to beat a very bad Gearhtown team.  Now georgetown got a lot better and healthier.  But that night Georgetown was really bad And and we were just a hair less horrible that night.
Now if Sam wants all the shots on a team that struggles to beat a bad team then maybe he should look at the Hozon league

Nobody was injured on Georgetown. Their top 6 players played about the same minutes in both games against us - except for their best player (Govan) who played 33 minutes when we beat them at their place and only 20 when they beat us at ours.

Typical Sand Knit post - wrong on the facts, long on irrational hatred.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Nukem2 on April 28, 2019, 09:54:12 AM
I've said all along that nothing unusual happened in one of the Hausers wanting to transfer. Happens all the time. The only unusual thing was that there was a pair of brothers and the other went along with the transfer. Stuff happens. Next man up.
Actually, Sam's transfer (non-grad) is highly unusual.  Rare to  see a high major senior-to-be transfer after averaging 15.1 ppg &  7.2 rpg   in 33+ mpg coming off an NCAA appearance.   
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Pakuni on April 28, 2019, 10:02:19 AM
Forgetful (and others) said that the reason Sam's ORtg was so much higher than Markus's down the stretch was that Markus had primary ball handling responsibilities. The suggestion was that Sam's ORtg would plummet if he had similar responsibilities.

My point was "Based on what?" In the only game in which that occurred this year Sam's ORtg (and other numbers) were off the charts and we won a road game - so the only empirical evidence we have doesn't support Forgetful's  opinion. In fact, it's in direct opposition to it.

Sam and Sacar shared ballhandling duties that game. And thirtysome minutes against a single opponent is the very definition of "too small sample size."
Sam was great in the game and all, but it's silly to make sweeping judgements based on less than one game, don't you think?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on April 28, 2019, 10:03:19 AM
I agree with this analysis


Please show where Sam was pressured....he wasn’t.  Georgetown didn’t pressure him in any meaningful way in that game.  We also had Anim bring up the ball.   I’d like to see evidence of Lenny’s claims here.  I have the game on DVR, maybe wii rewatch today.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Herman Cain on April 28, 2019, 10:48:27 AM

Please show where Sam was pressured....he wasn’t.  Georgetown didn’t pressure him in any meaningful way in that game.  We also had Anim bring up the ball.   I’d like to see evidence of Lenny’s claims here.  I have the game on DVR, maybe wii rewatch today.
If you rewatch please give a summary. If I remember correctly , Brendan has a solid game as well.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Nukem2 on April 28, 2019, 11:34:33 AM

Please show where Sam was pressured....he wasn’t.  Georgetown didn’t pressure him in any meaningful way in that game.  We also had Anim bring up the ball.   I’d like to see evidence of Lenny’s claims here.  I have the game on DVR, maybe wii rewatch today.
Yup, that was a point of discussion after that game.  Weird that Ewing did not pressure the ball at all.  MU just set up in it’s half court offense.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on April 28, 2019, 11:44:07 AM
Yup, that was a point of discussion after that game.  Weird that Ewing did not pressure the ball at all.  MU just set up in it’s half court offense.

Exactly....maybe Lenny watched a different game as most of us were stunned Ewing didn’t pressure us.

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 28, 2019, 01:41:03 PM
Sam and Sacar shared ballhandling duties that game. And thirtysome minutes against a single opponent is the very definition of "too small sample size."
Sam was great in the game and all, but it's silly to make sweeping judgements based on less than one game, don't you think?

I'm not making any sweeping judgements based off of one game. Who knows if Sam would have kept his efg% and ORtg off the charts high had he been asked to play point forward in other games? Forgetful said that both would go down if Sam had to handle the ball more. He has zero evidence to back up his claim. The only evidence we have refutes it. But small sample for sure.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Herman Cain on April 28, 2019, 01:44:40 PM
I'm not making any sweeping judgements based off of one game. Who knows if Sam would have kept his efg% and ORtg off the charts high had he been asked to play point forward in other games? Forgetful said that both would go down if Sam had to handle the ball more. He has zero evidence to back up his claim. The only evidence we have refutes it. But small sample for sure.
Small sample size but over the years we have seen snippets of Sam handling the ball well. I am very confident in his ability to run a collegiate offense if called upon to do so. My sense is in his year off he will be working hard on developing a great handle.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: real chili 83 on April 28, 2019, 01:58:01 PM
 ND sucks
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Newsdreams on April 28, 2019, 01:59:02 PM
ND sucks
Bigly
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on April 29, 2019, 08:30:30 AM
I'm not making any sweeping judgements based off of one game. Who knows if Sam would have kept his efg% and ORtg off the charts high had he been asked to play point forward in other games? Forgetful said that both would go down if Sam had to handle the ball more. He has zero evidence to back up his claim. The only evidence we have refutes it. But small sample for sure.

Rewatched the GTown game on DVR, where do you get the idea Hauser was pressured?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Scoop Snoop on April 29, 2019, 09:19:42 AM
I was at the game. What pressure?

To me personally, it was the highpoint of the season because I believed afterwards that we had a Plan B in case Markus was injured, having an off game or in serious foul trouble. The Hoyas became the Sharks and smelled blood in the water. Sam was calm and cool. Akinjo was my favorite player of the game though- I loved how he ignored Ewing's instructions and decided to play hero ball by driving into Theo on Gtown's final possesion. :)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Golden Avalanche on April 29, 2019, 09:35:14 AM
I was at the game. What pressure?

To me personally, it was the highpoint of the season because I believed afterwards that we had a Plan B in case Markus was injured, having an off game or in serious foul trouble. The Hoyas became the Sharks and smelled blood in the water. Sam was calm and cool. Akinjo was my favorite player of the game though- I loved how he ignored Ewing's instructions and decided to play hero ball by driving into Theo on Gtown's final possesion. :)

He made up for it by dropping his nuts over our collective Fiserv Forum heads and denying Marquette a share of the title.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Scoop Snoop on April 29, 2019, 09:46:14 AM
He made up for it by dropping his nuts over our collective Fiserv Forum heads and denying Marquette a share of the title.

That's why he was my favorite Gtown for just that one game. He and the other Gtown frosh are going to be PIA's for 3 more years.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on April 30, 2019, 07:55:35 AM
Hausers will be going to Virginia
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: KampusFoods on April 30, 2019, 08:01:45 AM
Hausers will be going to Virginia

Yes on the weekend of May 17-19
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NickelDimer on April 30, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Hausers will be going to Virginia
Good news thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 30, 2019, 09:04:04 AM
Hausers will be going to Virginia

are ya sure 'bout that?  or is this just a shot in the dark?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on April 30, 2019, 09:17:28 AM
I was at the game. What pressure?

To me personally, it was the highpoint of the season because I believed afterwards that we had a Plan B in case Markus was injured, having an off game or in serious foul trouble. The Hoyas became the Sharks and smelled blood in the water. Sam was calm and cool. Akinjo was my favorite player of the game though- I loved how he ignored Ewing's instructions and decided to play hero ball by driving into Theo on Gtown's final possesion. :)

There was none...I don’t expect Lenny to explain or correct either.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MUfan12 on April 30, 2019, 09:32:17 AM
Hausers will be going to Virginia

I'd love to be able to back you up on this, but nothing has been decided yet.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 30, 2019, 09:43:36 AM
Pretty sure Vegas Sports Book will take wagers on dis topic, hey?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on April 30, 2019, 09:46:20 AM
are ya sure 'bout that?  or is this just a shot in the dark?
Almost sure
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 30, 2019, 09:56:16 AM
Sew, like 68.62%, hey?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 30, 2019, 10:04:26 AM
Almost sure

 i wonder how his main squeeze is gonna take the news of him changing his mind ::)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 30, 2019, 10:41:07 AM
Kut him off at da pass, aina?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MUBBau on April 30, 2019, 10:49:55 AM
Kut him off at da pass, aina?

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Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Avenue Commons on April 30, 2019, 12:25:10 PM
Actually, Sam's transfer (non-grad) is highly unusual.  Rare to  see a high major senior-to-be transfer after averaging 15.1 ppg &  7.2 rpg   in 33+ mpg coming off an NCAA appearance.

Right. I don’t think Sam leaves if he’s alone with one season left. Joey complicated things. Or so it occurs to me. I don’t know for sure who drove the bus.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Nukem2 on April 30, 2019, 01:20:27 PM
Right. I don’t think Sam leaves if he’s alone with one season left. Joey complicated things. Or so it occurs to me. I don’t know for sure who drove the bus.
Thats kind of my thought on the subject as well.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Ardmore Mug on April 30, 2019, 02:55:25 PM
Right. I don’t think Sam leaves if he’s alone with one season left. Joey complicated things. Or so it occurs to me. I don’t know for sure who drove the bus.

Daddy ! ! ! 8-)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on April 30, 2019, 11:13:29 PM
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Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: KampusFoods on May 01, 2019, 08:43:13 AM
i wonder how his main squeeze is gonna take the news of him changing his mind ::)

If mind is made up, why more visits planned?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on May 01, 2019, 08:52:38 AM
If they were to commit to Wisconsin, the announcement would come after next week i would guess. Can't imagine them announcing they are going to wisconsin while still on campus
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Not A Serious Person on May 01, 2019, 09:24:09 AM
If they were to commit to Wisconsin, the announcement would come after next week i would guess. Can't imagine them announcing they are going to wisconsin while still on campus

They visited Bucky last weekend and did not commit (yet?).  Friday they visit Michigan State.

https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/23/report-hauser-brothers-will-visit-wisconsin/
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 01, 2019, 09:34:24 AM
If mind is made up, why more visits planned?

East Lansing is lovely in May?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muguru on May 01, 2019, 11:46:14 AM
i wonder how his main squeeze is gonna take the news of him changing his mind ::)

The same main squeeze that will have graduated by the time Sam played his first year there?? NEVER EVER make decisions like this based on a GF. History is littered with decisions based on that that didn't end well.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muguru on May 01, 2019, 11:48:23 AM
If they were to commit to Wisconsin, the announcement would come after next week i would guess. Can't imagine them announcing they are going to wisconsin while still on campus

If they were dead set on Wisconsin, why not schedule that visit last then, after school's out?? The fact that they were first, is pretty telling to me. They aren't going to jerk around Coaches like Izzo/Bennett if they were dead set on going to UW already. Besides, I'm sure they get plenty of crap already about them transferring to begin with, and now because of the visit being last weekend.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: lawdog77 on May 01, 2019, 11:57:04 AM
Right. I don’t think Sam leaves if he’s alone with one season left. Joey complicated things. Or so it occurs to me. I don’t know for sure who drove the bus.
It's either my gut instinct, or too much horsey sauce, but I have a feeling Joey is only going to play one more year of college ball.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on May 01, 2019, 12:50:02 PM
If they were dead set on Wisconsin, why not schedule that visit last then, after school's out?? The fact that they were first, is pretty telling to me. They aren't going to jerk around Coaches like Izzo/Bennett if they were dead set on going to UW already. Besides, I'm sure they get plenty of crap already about them transferring to begin with, and now because of the visit being last weekend.

Perhaps the Hausers didn't make the visiting schedules. Could be Tony Bennet told them to come much later so his roster picture for next year would be a bit more decided by the time they visit.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: willie warrior on May 01, 2019, 02:11:14 PM
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Blazing saddles--a classic. Especially the campfire scene.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: WarriorPride68 on May 01, 2019, 03:24:30 PM
Hausers will be going to Virginia

Unfortunately incorrect
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 01, 2019, 07:33:58 PM
If mind is made up, why more visits planned?

maybe those other places are their "bucket list" ;)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 01, 2019, 07:38:26 PM
The same main squeeze that will have graduated by the time Sam played his first year there?? NEVER EVER make decisions like this based on a GF. History is littered with decisions based on that that didn't end well.

ohhh, so after she graduates, she moves back to what?  no chance she does some grad school, takes a job in madison, or heaven forbid, move to middleton err sumpin
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muguru on May 01, 2019, 08:42:19 PM
ohhh, so after she graduates, she moves back to what?  no chance she does some grad school, takes a job in madison, or heaven forbid, move to middleton err sumpin

Yes but see, couldn't she just as easily move to East Lansing, or Charlottesville too?? Just saying..They have been apart 3 years already, what's one more year(Sam's sit out year). If SHE is the ONLY reason they'd be going to UW, that's a HUGE mistake, and then it never was about basketball for Sam. And then there's the small(okay HUGE) issue of Sam's Mom HATING Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on May 01, 2019, 11:20:52 PM
Unfortunately incorrect
and how do you know?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 02, 2019, 05:30:10 AM
Yes but see, couldn't she just as easily move to East Lansing, or Charlottesville too?? Just saying..They have been apart 3 years already, what's one more year(Sam's sit out year). If SHE is the ONLY reason they'd be going to UW, that's a HUGE mistake, and then it never was about basketball for Sam. And then there's the small(okay HUGE) issue of Sam's Mom HATING Wisconsin.

they aren't necessarily going to madison BECAUSE of his girl, but the reason i know they are going to madison is BECAUSE of his girl

this is the first i've heard of sam's ma hating UW, but i just developed a huge crush on her
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: mujivitz06 on May 02, 2019, 05:41:37 AM
It's either my gut instinct, or too much horsey sauce, but I have a feeling Joey is only going to play one more year of college ball.

Then what? Europe?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 02, 2019, 05:45:41 AM
Then what? Europe?

He's good enough for the revamped G league. If they end up staying with each other to go to UW I'd have trouble seeing them head to Europe since they're clearly attached to dad and each other at the hip
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MUDPT on May 02, 2019, 05:51:51 AM
If they were dead set on Wisconsin, why not schedule that visit last then, after school's out?? The fact that they were first, is pretty telling to me. They aren't going to jerk around Coaches like Izzo/Bennett if they were dead set on going to UW already. Besides, I'm sure they get plenty of crap already about them transferring to begin with, and now because of the visit being last weekend.

Mifflin was last weekend, maybe that’s why they had it scheduled then. Sam was there last year. Weather sucked though.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: willie warrior on May 02, 2019, 06:14:54 PM
All should be concerned with loss of Hausers. This is totally on Wojo the bozo.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 02, 2019, 07:50:48 PM
All should be concerned with loss of Hausers. This is totally on Wojo the bozo.

Have a grape soda
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on May 03, 2019, 11:05:58 AM
There is a version of the reasons for the transfer currently posted on the Dodds board that, if true, will completely change a lot of perspectives on the issue.   
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NickelDimer on May 03, 2019, 11:45:55 AM
There is a version of the reasons for the transfer currently posted on the Dodds board that, if true, will completely change a lot of perspectives on the issue.   
I assume you’re referring to the post on “the letter” thread? Definitely interesting and a different version from the accepted one
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: jesmu84 on May 03, 2019, 11:49:53 AM
There is a version of the reasons for the transfer currently posted on the Dodds board that, if true, will completely change a lot of perspectives on the issue.   

Link? Or summary?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NickelDimer on May 03, 2019, 11:50:48 AM
Link? Or summary?
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Board/104085/Contents/The-Letter-131282124/?Page=3
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: thebigjake on May 03, 2019, 11:58:30 AM
Now that is the first accounting of events that actually makes some sense to me.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on May 03, 2019, 12:00:27 PM
There is a version of the reasons for the transfer currently posted on the Dodds board that, if true, will completely change a lot of perspectives on the issue.   

An interesting read.  I had been wondering about a Howard vs Team Hauser divide.  Still don't know what the truth is. Always more than one version to the story.  Which is why I am hesitant to choose a side.  But my loyalty remains where it has always been, Marquette basketball.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on May 03, 2019, 12:31:44 PM
I believe this is 100% true.The Hauser's and Howard's used to sit close to each other at the games.The last few games they were no where near each other.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Skip Intro on May 03, 2019, 12:37:04 PM
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Board/104085/Contents/The-Letter-131282124/?Page=3

That's definitely an interesting read - whether 100% accurate no one here will ever know, but the relatively specific details suggest that there's likely a lot of truth there.  And based on Joey's body language throughout a lot of the season when there were struggles, as well as Wojo feeling the need to call him out specifically in an interview, it probably shouldn't be surprising.  That's not to say that the Hauser's didn't have a point, but in a team sport, creating factions will never turn out well. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: GrimmReaper33 on May 03, 2019, 01:19:21 PM
I'm starting to get the feeling that MU probably wasn't Joey's first choice to begin with, but he felt pressured to come here because Sam was here.  It almost sounds like he was never going to be completely happy at MU and was looking for a reason to leave. 

Then you look at the schools they are considering and they are just the other schools Joey strongly considered in HS.  Now, Sam may be leaving just to keep them together.  Just don't recruit brothers anymore.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on May 03, 2019, 01:21:58 PM
If true, Joey sounds like a whiny, selfish baby. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Jockey on May 03, 2019, 01:44:49 PM
If true, Joey sounds like a whiny, selfish baby.

He also looked like a whiny, selfish baby on the court. We saw him pouting numerous times.

Too bad cuz he looks like he’s gonna be really good once he tightens his game up and gets stronger.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Marcus92 on May 03, 2019, 01:56:42 PM
Each side had its reasons for acting the way they did. But I do give both sides credit for trying to move forward without getting caught up in the blame game (except, possibly, for the leak about The Letter).

I haven't read negative comments from Joey, Sam or their parents about the Marquette coaches or program. Wojo, Markus and the rest of the team haven't had anything negative to say about the Hausers. Think that's ultimately the best approach.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 03, 2019, 02:08:06 PM
Each side had its reasons for acting the way they did. But I do give both sides credit for trying to move forward without getting caught up in the blame game (except, possibly, for the leak about The Letter).

I haven't read negative comments from Joey, Sam or their parents about the Marquette coaches or program. Wojo, Markus and the rest of the team haven't had anything negative to say about the Hausers. Think that's ultimately the best approach.

+1

End of the day, the Hausers decided they were not happy. The drama seems like it has lingered on a tad long, though, and it will explode if they announce Bucky. I still think this wasn't all Joey, though.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on May 03, 2019, 02:10:29 PM
He also looked like a whiny, selfish baby on the court. We saw him pouting numerous times.

Too bad cuz he looks like he’s gonna be really good once he tightens his game up and gets stronger.

Agreed, that's why it does seem somewhat believable. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 03, 2019, 02:12:18 PM
+1

End of the day, the Hausers decided they were not happy. The drama seems like it has lingered on a tad long, though, and it will explode if they announce Bucky. I still think this wasn't all Joey, though.

+1.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Loose Cannon on May 03, 2019, 02:17:21 PM
Each side had its reasons for acting the way they did. But I do give both sides credit for trying to move forward without getting caught up in the blame game (except, possibly, for the leak about The Letter).

I haven't read negative comments from Joey, Sam or their parents about the Marquette coaches or program. Wojo, Markus and the rest of the team haven't had anything negative to say about the Hausers. Think that's ultimately the best approach.

Refreshing!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on May 03, 2019, 02:41:35 PM
In one of his post game pressers, Wojo referenced a need for more from Joey.  If this latest account is the most accurate, I wonder if the timing is similar and whether the two are related, i.e., Markus echoing a message from Wojo.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on May 03, 2019, 02:59:56 PM
That's definitely an interesting read - whether 100% accurate no one here will ever know, but the relatively specific details suggest that there's likely a lot of truth there.  And based on Joey's body language throughout a lot of the season when there were struggles, as well as Wojo feeling the need to call him out specifically in an interview, it probably shouldn't be surprising.  That's not to say that the Hauser's didn't have a point, but in a team sport, creating factions will never turn out well.

Read back to what I said a few weeks ago that parents and students saw with interactions with one of the H’s and a current member of the team.  Ties in very nicely.

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: lawdog77 on May 03, 2019, 03:39:58 PM
Read back to what I said a few weeks ago that parents and students saw with interactions with one of the H’s and a current member of the team.  Ties in very nicely.
I must have missed that one buried in with the hundreds of mediocre posts? What happened. Thanks, and I will hang up and listen.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Golden Avalanche on May 03, 2019, 03:41:47 PM
I must have missed that one buried in with the hundreds of mediocre posts? What happened. Thanks, and I will hang up and listen.

+1

Gotta link to your own back-patting.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: wadesworld on May 03, 2019, 03:43:43 PM
+1

Gotta link to your own back-patting.

I must have missed that one buried in with the hundreds of mediocre posts? What happened. Thanks, and I will hang up and listen.

A bunch of students saw Markus say “Hi” to Joey walking down the street. Joey didn’t respond at all, so Markus said “Hi” louder again. Joey hesitated and said, “Hey.” It was awkward.

Crazy stuff.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on May 03, 2019, 03:47:45 PM
A bunch of students saw Markus say “Hi” to Joey walking down the street. Joey didn’t respond at all, so Markus said “Hi” louder again. Joey hesitated and said, “Hey.” It was awkward.

Crazy stuff.

Inaccurate on at least three points.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 03, 2019, 04:45:29 PM
this kinda bruises the hauser's(joey in particular) reputation.  how does a prospective teammate interpret this?  can't give joey any criticism?  is he difficult to coach?  also makes one wonder what the herro thing was about.  i dunno man.  i wish them well, but this creates more questions than it answers.  until or unless someone with the hausers best interest at heart,  if not the hausers themselves, come out and say, this is what happened, info is going to come out in dribs.  some accurate, some not so

this also makes sam(rightly so!!) look like a great brother and family first guy with the incredible foresight of sacrificing his potential legacy at MU for the rest of his life with an intact family. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: PointWarrior on May 03, 2019, 06:41:35 PM
If the 247 account of the story is true and they wind up at Bucky, the student section should all wear pajamas with footies with pacifiers for that 2020 Wisconsin game in honor of Joey.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: withoutbias on May 03, 2019, 07:06:47 PM
If the 247 account of the story is true and they wind up at Bucky, the student section should all wear pajamas with footies with pacifiers for that 2020 Wisconsin game in honor of Joey.

and bring rubber/stuffed snakes.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: forgetful on May 03, 2019, 08:21:12 PM
Each side had its reasons for acting the way they did. But I do give both sides credit for trying to move forward without getting caught up in the blame game (except, possibly, for the leak about The Letter).

I haven't read negative comments from Joey, Sam or their parents about the Marquette coaches or program. Wojo, Markus and the rest of the team haven't had anything negative to say about the Hausers. Think that's ultimately the best approach.

+1
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: willie warrior on May 03, 2019, 08:35:47 PM
Have a grape soda
With the BS Wojo is accountable at season's end, grape soda won't do. More appropriate: Bourbon.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: willie warrior on May 03, 2019, 08:48:30 PM
If true, Joey sounds like a whiny, selfish baby.
And Wojo sounds to be incompetent. If this trouble started brewing in Feb., then Wojo should have gotten at least Joey and Markus together to straighten this out. Much could happen in a come to Jesus meeting with the principle parties. An intervention was in order. And that is on Wojo.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: lawdog77 on May 03, 2019, 09:00:33 PM
And Wojo sounds to be incompetent. If this trouble started brewing in Feb., then Wojo should have gotten at least Joey and Markus together to straighten this out. Much could happen in a come to Jesus meeting with the principle parties. An intervention was in order. And that is on Wojo.
Or. Maybe the staff did.meet.with Joey, since Markus didnt.do anything wrong, and he still pouted?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 03, 2019, 09:31:29 PM
And Wojo sounds to be incompetent. If this trouble started brewing in Feb., then Wojo should have gotten at least Joey and Markus together to straighten this out. Much could happen in a come to Jesus meeting with the principle parties. An intervention was in order. And that is on Wojo.

with all due respect willie, if the story is true, markus was trying to be a leader and doesn't sound like he said anything that off putting.      whether markus was right or wrong, joey needs to earn his stripes and respect.  he goes onto another team with this attitude, he's going to struggle.   
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: WarriorHal on May 03, 2019, 11:00:44 PM
So the Hauser brothers, at the urging of mommy and daddy, wrote Wojo a letter complaining that Markus was being mean to Joey.

Can you imagine players doing that when Al McGuire was the coach :) I think he would have handled it in about two seconds, like he did with Bernard Toone.

Players act like babies now. They can’t take criticism. I blame Wojo because he’s the coach and should be able to solve this. He has players transferring every year. But that’s not just a problem at Marquette.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on May 03, 2019, 11:04:35 PM
So the Hauser brothers, at the urging of mommy and daddy, wrote Wojo a letter complaining that Markus was being mean to Joey.

Can you imagine players doing that when Al McGuire was the coach :) I think he would have handled it in about two seconds, like he did with Bernard Toone.

Players act like babies now. They can’t take criticism. I blame Wojo because he’s the coach and should be able to solve this. He has players transferring every year. But that’s not just a problem at Marquette.

Players transferred under Buzz, Crean, Wojo....the way it goes today.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 03, 2019, 11:57:54 PM
So the Hauser brothers, at the urging of mommy and daddy, wrote Wojo a letter complaining that Markus was being mean to Joey.

Can you imagine players doing that when Al McGuire was the coach :) I think he would have handled it in about two seconds, like he did with Bernard Toone.

Players act like babies now. They can’t take criticism. I blame Wojo because he’s the coach and should be able to solve this. He has players transferring every year. But that’s not just a problem at Marquette.

so which player(s) should wojo have kicked the schnit out of hal?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: WarriorHal on May 04, 2019, 12:41:20 AM
so which player(s) should wojo have kicked the schnit out of hal?

Hmmm  :-\ Sounds like Joey needed the attitude adjustment. But I suppose in this PC environment, that would be frowned upon.

Let em go, bring in a few new bodies like Hoiberg is doing at Nebraska, and win next season with guys that want to be here and don't respond to getting their butts chewed out with tears.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 04, 2019, 07:04:30 AM
  i like(ed) the hausers ok, but something doesn't smell right here.  MU has sam and markus for 3 years.  anyone hear of any discord during those 3 years?  sams bro, joey comes in and schnit hits the fan because a captain tells joey he's got to get a little tougher or whatever.  joey's feelings get hurt and he wants to take his ball and go to UW?  sam says, damn it joey, you're my bro and my family is important to me...and my girl is there too.   awwwwww, what the hell.   

  yes wojo needs to do better,  but it sounds like unless he gets rid of markus, joey ain't gonna play nice.  so who was the one who said if herro comes to MU, we ain't coming?  ok, question for ya'll-who had the better year?  joey or herro? did markus demand MU not covet herro?

  come on you guys, the hausers are good ole wholesome, decent wisconsin people, but it sounds like the youngster needs to earn some respect as opposed to demanding it.  show us a little more and maybe then you can demand more of others.  it's called a leader.  that ain't appointed


i had this new employee who rubbed some of my others the wrong way right off the bat.  we gave her some space figuring we could work with her and eventually she would get with the program.  well after a few weeks, she was balking at doing some basic things, showing an attitude to the others who have been with me for 8-10 years.  now understand, we went thru a real rough patch going thru a few of these over the previous 6 months, trying to replace an employee of 33 years, so the new one(s) seemed so much better than the previous attempts even though she was still lacking in other areas.  we  figured we could work with this one and she would eventually grow into our system.  WRONG

 she gave me her "12 day notice" yes 12 days, and what does the boss(head coach)do?  i let her go.  i was not going to disrupt my tenured employees to appease one who was a little inadequate in some areas and refused to acclimate. 

  during the 12 days however, she tried to negotiate her way back in. i was already doing working interviews with others.   quitting on her terms was not only a blessing, but avoiding unemployment was a double bonus, count the basket and one :D   btw, the newbie is an open book and a breath of fresh air for all...just saying...so far


taking wojo's actions at face value-could he have forced the issue?  what?  demand that joey and markus(and sam) play nice? make markus apologize to joey?  bench markus? give joey(and sam) the black armband?  what about the rest of the team?  don't forget, we are talking about a top 5(at least) ncaa POY and a freshman who's a little wet behind the ears yet 

 if one has lost all faith in wojo-his decision and how he handled this is never going to be the right one.  at face value, it was a real beetch.  just trying to be the voice of reason here

     

 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 04, 2019, 07:22:53 AM
The heart of the matter is Wojo's ability to lead a high major program.  It appears MU is not convinced he can since he is not getting an extension. I truly hope he earns one next season. His recruiting ability is no doubt compromised by his contract situation.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 04, 2019, 07:24:40 AM
Do we know he's not getting an extension?  We just know one hasn't been announced...yet.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NCMUFan on May 04, 2019, 10:08:32 AM
  i like(ed) the hausers ok, but something doesn't smell right here.  MU has sam and markus for 3 years.  anyone hear of any discord during those 3 years?  sams bro, joey comes in and schnit hits the fan because a captain tells joey he's got to get a little tougher or whatever.  joey's feelings get hurt and he wants to take his ball and go to UW?  sam says, damn it joey, you're my bro and my family is important to me...and my girl is there too.   awwwwww, what the hell.   

  yes wojo needs to do better,  but it sounds like unless he gets rid of markus, joey ain't gonna play nice.  so who was the one who said if herro comes to MU, we ain't coming?  ok, question for ya'll-who had the better year?  joey or herro? did markus demand MU not covet herro?

  come on you guys, the hausers are good ole wholesome, decent wisconsin people, but it sounds like the youngster needs to earn some respect as opposed to demanding it.  show us a little more and maybe then you can demand more of others.  it's called a leader.  that ain't appointed


i had this new employee who rubbed some of my others the wrong way right off the bat.  we gave her some space figuring we could work with her and eventually she would get with the program.  well after a few weeks, she was balking at doing some basic things, showing an attitude to the others who have been with me for 8-10 years.  now understand, we went thru a real rough patch going thru a few of these over the previous 6 months, trying to replace an employee of 33 years, so the new one(s) seemed so much better than the previous attempts even though she was still lacking in other areas.  we  figured we could work with this one and she would eventually grow into our system.  WRONG

 she gave me her "12 day notice" yes 12 days, and what does the boss(head coach)do?  i let her go.  i was not going to disrupt my tenured employees to appease one who was a little inadequate in some areas and refused to acclimate. 

  during the 12 days however, she tried to negotiate her way back in. i was already doing working interviews with others.   quitting on her terms was not only a blessing, but avoiding unemployment was a double bonus, count the basket and one :D   btw, the newbie is an open book and a breath of fresh air for all...just saying...so far


taking wojo's actions at face value-could he have forced the issue?  what?  demand that joey and markus(and sam) play nice? make markus apologize to joey?  bench markus? give joey(and sam) the black armband?  what about the rest of the team?  don't forget, we are talking about a top 5(at least) ncaa POY and a freshman who's a little wet behind the ears yet 

 if one has lost all faith in wojo-his decision and how he handled this is never going to be the right one.  at face value, it was a real beetch.  just trying to be the voice of reason here

     

 

Well said.  Totally plausible.  Joey having UW as his first choice but with Sam being here.  Then when not getting what they want, packing their ball and leaving.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 04, 2019, 10:13:29 AM
Do we know he's not getting an extension?  We just know one hasn't been announced...yet.
Why in the world would MU do that? Is Wojo on double secret extension?
MU AD: "Here's an extension Wojo but don't tell a soul. We don't want anyone knowing we support you."
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 04, 2019, 10:14:39 AM
Wojo kneeded ta squelch ta pissin' match befour it goy ta bee a flood, hey?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Golden Avalanche on May 04, 2019, 10:36:54 AM
Wojo kneeded ta squelch ta pissin' match befour it goy ta bee a flood, hey?

He got it wrong. It happens.

First time through the ringer with a team that had legit title aspirations and he stumbled. It's called a learning experience. He'll know next time not to indulge a malcontent.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Silent Verbal on May 04, 2019, 10:52:24 AM
He got it wrong. It happens.

First time through the ringer with a team that had legit title aspirations and he stumbled. It's called a learning experience. He'll know next time not to indulge a malcontent.

That’s a pretty big screw up for a guy who’s already been on the job five years and had coached at a Duke program that had “legit title aspirations” every year he was an assistant there with bigger egos to manage than the ones at Marquette.

We had a once-in-a-decade type of roster coming back next year.  Now we’re not even being predicted to finish in the top half of the conference.  It’s Wojo’s job to keep the team together, and this was a massive fail on his part.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: forgetful on May 04, 2019, 11:07:01 AM
He got it wrong. It happens.

First time through the ringer with a team that had legit title aspirations and he stumbled. It's called a learning experience. He'll know next time not to indulge a malcontent.

What are you saying. That is the new story is true, he shouldn't have indulged Joey at all, and benched him or kicked him off the team? Guess what...same outcome.

Wojo handled this exactly in the same way as just about every other major coach would have. Sometimes the only outcome is for one person to go.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 04, 2019, 11:09:55 AM
We had a once-in-a-decade type of roster coming back next year.  Now we’re not even being predicted to finish in the top half of the conference.

Translation: One poll from ESPN has us lumped in with two other Big East schools in the "next 5 out" in their way too early top 25 so that one poll is projecting us anywhere between 4th and 6th and the team in 3rd is ranked 24th so we're right behind them as well.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 04, 2019, 11:13:16 AM
What are you saying. That is the new story is true, he shouldn't have indulged Joey at all, and benched him or kicked him off the team? Guess what...same outcome.

Wojo handled this exactly in the same way as just about every other major coach would have. Sometimes the only outcome is for one person to go.

I wouldn't see this is 100% true. It's possible another coach could have figured out how to squelch this issue and get the two sides to play together. We don't know, all we know is that Wojo and his staff couldn't. Personally, I questioned how long of a leash Joey had despite poor defense. I wonder if that caused any ruffled feathers in the locker room.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on May 04, 2019, 11:22:22 AM
I wouldn't see this is 100% true. It's possible another coach could have figured out how to squelch this issue and get the two sides to play together. We don't know, all we know is that Wojo and his staff couldn't. Personally, I questioned how long of a leash Joey had despite poor defense. I wonder if that caused any ruffled feathers in the locker room.

No one looks good in either iteration of these stories—but in particular I agree that it reflects poorly on the coaches.  A good portion of being a success is keeping the peace/managing egos in b-ball. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: forgetful on May 04, 2019, 11:24:22 AM
I wouldn't see this is 100% true. It's possible another coach could have figured out how to squelch this issue and get the two sides to play together. We don't know, all we know is that Wojo and his staff couldn't. Personally, I questioned how long of a leash Joey had despite poor defense. I wonder if that caused any ruffled feathers in the locker room.

Didn't mean to imply it was 100% true. I do think thought, that if this story is true, the only coaches that would have been able to get them all back on board, would be an established coach, e.g. 15-20 years head coach experience at that school. Where it would be hard to challenge their credibility.

I think you may be right though on how the long leash affected people. Again if the new story is true. It likely explains why there were more rumors about people leaving. My guess some like Bailey/Anim, maybe Cain or Elliott would have left if Markus was gone and Joey stayed.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on May 04, 2019, 11:24:57 AM
No one looks good in either iteration of these stories—but in particular I agree that it reflects poorly on the coaches.  A good portion of being a success is keeping he peace/managing egos in b-ball.

That’s fine and great, but there can also be a time where there is no resolution except to part ways, too.  There is a reason why transfer rates are so damn high.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on May 04, 2019, 11:27:16 AM
Didn't mean to imply it was 100% true. I do think thought, that if this story is true, the only coaches that would have been able to get them all back on board, would be an established coach, e.g. 15-20 years head coach experience at that school. Where it would be hard to challenge their credibility.

I think you may be right though on how the long leash affected people. Again if the new story is true. It likely explains why there were more rumors about people leaving. My guess some like Bailey/Anim, maybe Cain or Elliott would have left if Markus was gone and Joey stayed.

But the anti Wojo people don’t want to factor that part in.  Imagine their howling if Joey stayed and Markus + 3 or 4 others gone....net net, worse team then we have today.  Sorry to see them go, especially Sam....but that is life. 

Moved on
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Scoop Snoop on May 04, 2019, 11:57:44 AM
Well said.  Totally plausible.  Joey having UW as his first choice but with Sam being here.  Then when not getting what they want, packing their ball and leaving.

Maybe we should think of Joey as our Trojoey Horse. Who would have thought back when he committed that we would have been better off had he gone to UW rather than Marquette? 

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on May 04, 2019, 12:47:42 PM
Maybe we should think of Joey as our Trojoey Horse. Who would have thought back when he committed that we would have been better off had he gone to UW rather than Marquette?

In hindsight,  everyone would have been better off if Sam and Joey went to different schools.  Both lost a chance to blaze their own legacy.

Edit:  The Hausers can make whatever choices they want in life.  They were unhappy,  they moved on.  Too bad it didn't work out.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 04, 2019, 01:32:08 PM
In hindsight,  everyone would have been better off if Sam and Joey went to different schools.  Both lost a chance to blaze their own legacy.

Kind of presumptuous to assume that Sam’s not doing what’s better for him now.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on May 04, 2019, 01:54:03 PM
Kind of presumptuous to assume that Sam’s not doing what’s better for him now.

Sam can make whatever choice he wants.  He's made his.  So be it.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 04, 2019, 03:52:29 PM
 we also don't know with the additions of dexter and hopefully symir to our roster this year, plus improvement of brendan, greg eliot and ike, we may be a better team than anyone including ESPN has forecast.  regardless, we've got to play the games.  what did they predict for us last year preseason?  with the exception of our late season meltdown, i think we blew just about everyone's predictions.  giving us a top 10 rating before playing any games sets us up for failure.  i'd rather start out reasonably ranked, #14 or 15 or something and play our way up than, as some polls had us as high as #2??  that's crazy stupid.  all i know is that i don't like freshman telling upperclassmen to go suck it. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: CountryRoads on May 04, 2019, 03:58:13 PM
we also don't know with the additions of dexter and hopefully symir to our roster this year, plus improvement of brendan, greg eliot and ike, we may be a better team than anyone including ESPN has forecast.  regardless, we've got to play the games.  what did they predict for us last year preseason?  with the exception of our late season meltdown, i think we blew just about everyone's predictions.  giving us a top 10 rating before playing any games sets us up for failure.  i'd rather start out reasonably ranked, #14 or 15 or something and play our way up than, as some polls had us as high as #2??  that's crazy stupid.  all i know is that i don't like freshman telling upperclassmen to go suck it.

#2 was just fools gold anyway. We’ll have a better chance at success next year without the hausers if you consider the fact that the locker room would have been a steaming pile of garbage if they returned.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 04, 2019, 06:09:35 PM
Well, well, well ... this was some interesting stuff.

From what I have heard Murph is pretty accurate with what he says above. There was discord for awhile. My information comes from a parent of a player, a good friend of the Hausers and a very close friend of one of the coaches where the Hausers are considering. I have had this information for about two weeks and elected not to share until now so hopefully I remember everything.

The problems first started when Markus challenged Joey to be tougher and said more was needed from him for the team to reach their full potential. This was done as a friend and captain and with Sam's approval. Joey did not take the message well to the point his friendship with Markus was affected. As the year went on the friendship steadily got worse. Sam and Markus remained friends but not as close. The Hauser and Howard families relationship became strained as well. I was told that Joey now absolutely hates Markus and the Hauser family does not like the Howard family. Sam and Markus are still friends but again not as close. A letter was written to Wojo by the Hausers at the prompting of the parents and it was really because Joey was disgruntled. Teammates suggested they not give the letter to Wojo and no teammate signed the letter with the Hausers. Markus became aware of the letter and initially tried backing off his focus on scoring and tried to patch things up with Joey. Unfortunately, the offense became stagnant and the ball ended up in Markus' hands at the end of the shot clock and Markus and Joey's relationship did not improve.

Fast forward to the locker room after the Murray State game and Markus challenged a teammate for how they played in the game. Sam stepped in as a co-captain and Markus and Sam got into an argument. Joey then joined Sam and got into a shoving match with Markus. Wojo walked in at the end of this and did not do anything. Wojo simply let the players handle it. The Hauser family was upset that Wojo did not stick up for Sam and Joey. In addition none of the other players sided with Sam and Joey including the player Markus had confronted. I was told before the team returned to Milwaukee Joey was definitely going to transfer if Markus returned. The belief was that Sam would still return. Eventually Sam went along with the sentiments of the family and agreed to transfer if Markus came back. Once Markus announced he was returning the Hausers announced their decision.

One of the coaches the Hausers contacted asked why they were transferring. When informed of their reason he told them things would have been handled the same with his team. The coached asked them to think about whether they'd really want to join his team if that was the case and they should take a few days to decide. If there was a divisive member on last years team it was Joey because he would sulk which the players not getting as many minutes did not appreciate. Two players most likely would have transferred if Joey returned.


It still happened on Wojo's watch, and he still was unable to diffuse the situation. Maybe it's unfair to put so much of this on him, but, as they say, that's why he gets the big bucks.

Having said that ...

This explanation makes a ton of sense. It's more plausible than anything I had read before, especially from all those who failed to explain that if the Hausers had a problem with Wojo and not with Markus, why quit only after Markus said he was staying?

If true, Joey seems like a spoiled brat and a bad teammate with a thin skin ... the Hausers seem like the typical sports parents ... and Sam seems to have been caught in the middle of a tough situation. And to think, they cost us a shot at Herro, to boot.

I was gonna thoroughly enjoy rooting against these newest F%ckies anyway; now I will enjoy booing them even more.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dawson Rental on May 16, 2019, 01:29:37 PM
But...again what do outsiders think?

Here's how its being spun in Virginia:

"A lot of college basketball fans have wondered why the Hauser brothers, Sam and Joey, decided to transfer from Marquette.

The two are wrapping up their visit to Michigan State, their final visit, and should decide soon between the Spartans (who reportedly have only one scholarship available), Virginia, and Wisconsin. They visited UVA last week and had previously visited Wisconsin.

According to a source close to the Marquette program, the Hausers were frustrated playing with Markus Howard, described as a “ball-dominant” player.

The source indicated that the Hausers wanted to belong to a more “team-oriented” offense and were turned off by Howard’s ball-hogging antics."

from jerryratcliffe.com (an athletic news site for U of Virginia fans)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 16, 2019, 02:18:28 PM
But...again what do outsiders think?

Here's how its being spun in Virginia:

"A lot of college basketball fans have wondered why the Hauser brothers, Sam and Joey, decided to transfer from Marquette.

The two are wrapping up their visit to Michigan State, their final visit, and should decide soon between the Spartans (who reportedly have only one scholarship available), Virginia, and Wisconsin. They visited UVA last week and had previously visited Wisconsin.

According to a source close to the Marquette program, the Hausers were frustrated playing with Markus Howard, described as a “ball-dominant” player.

The source indicated that the Hausers wanted to belong to a more “team-oriented” offense and were turned off by Howard’s ball-hogging antics."

from jerryratcliffe.com (an athletic news site for U of Virginia fans)

Totally believable.

Those who say it was 100% about disliking/distrusting Wojo and 0% about Markus obviously lost that argument when it became known they would have stayed to play for Wojo if Markus had gone.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 16, 2019, 02:54:09 PM
Totally believable.

Those who say it was 100% about disliking/distrusting Wojo and 0% about Markus obviously lost that argument when it became known they would have stayed to play for Wojo if Markus had gone.


Which is strange.  I'm not sure I would want them back given those circumstances.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 16, 2019, 02:58:48 PM
But...again what do outsiders think?

Here's how its being spun in Virginia:

"A lot of college basketball fans have wondered why the Hauser brothers, Sam and Joey, decided to transfer from Marquette.

The two are wrapping up their visit to Michigan State, their final visit, and should decide soon between the Spartans (who reportedly have only one scholarship available), Virginia, and Wisconsin. They visited UVA last week and had previously visited Wisconsin.

According to a source close to the Marquette program, the Hausers were frustrated playing with Markus Howard, described as a “ball-dominant” player.

The source indicated that the Hausers wanted to belong to a more “team-oriented” offense and were turned off by Howard’s ball-hogging antics."

from jerryratcliffe.com (an athletic news site for U of Virginia fans)

+1. What I've been saying all along.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 16, 2019, 03:30:45 PM
But...again what do outsiders think?

Here's how its being spun in Virginia:

"A lot of college basketball fans have wondered why the Hauser brothers, Sam and Joey, decided to transfer from Marquette.

The two are wrapping up their visit to Michigan State, their final visit, and should decide soon between the Spartans (who reportedly have only one scholarship available), Virginia, and Wisconsin. They visited UVA last week and had previously visited Wisconsin.

According to a source close to the Marquette program, the Hausers were frustrated playing with Markus Howard, described as a “ball-dominant” player.

The source indicated that the Hausers wanted to belong to a more “team-oriented” offense and were turned off by Howard’s ball-hogging antics."

from jerryratcliffe.com (an athletic news site for U of Virginia fans)

It's not "spin" if it's the truth.  Though Wojo's refusal to reign in Markus was also a factor.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: lawdog77 on May 16, 2019, 03:40:48 PM
+1. What I've been saying all along.
I doubt a source close to the program would tell a reporter the reason was Markus' ball hogging antics. Unless that source was the Hausers themselves.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Pakuni on May 16, 2019, 03:43:51 PM
I doubt a source close to the program would tell a reporter the reason was Markus' ball hogging antics. Unless that source was the Hausers themselves.

Seriously. People close to the program aren't bashing Marlkus anonymously to a Virginia sports blogger.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on May 16, 2019, 05:18:15 PM
So it was all about their touches.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 16, 2019, 05:25:19 PM
So it was all about their touches.
Of course it was. All the other nonsense was, well, nonsense.

I hope they go to Virginia. Will relish seeing them dismantled by future NBA draft picks on a routine basis.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: jonny09 on May 16, 2019, 05:35:32 PM
That’s fine and great, but there can also be a time where there is no resolution except to part ways, too.  There is a reason why transfer rates are so damn high.

How?  How are transfer rates so high?  I don’t get it.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Silent Verbal on May 16, 2019, 06:00:43 PM
So it was all about their touches.

Yeah, so?  What’s your point?  Sam didn’t want to spend his last year of eligibility watching another season of The Markus Show.  He wanted to go to a school where he’d have a chance to be an equally important contributor.  Frankly, he’s too good to play second banana to a selfish guy trying to showcase himself every night, and he’s paid his college basketball dues, to boot.  While everyone has their own version of why they believe the transfer happened, I think it was more about Sam than Joey.

So who cares if it was about touches?  You think Markus would’ve stuck around if he wasn’t getting as many touches as he wanted, whenever he wanted them?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 16, 2019, 06:06:40 PM
So it was all about their touches.

If you want to spin it that way. Put another way, it was all about wanting to play in a system that encouraged team play over hero ball.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on May 16, 2019, 06:15:43 PM
Put another way, it was all about wanting to play in a system that encouraged team play over hero ball.
If you want to spin it that way.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 16, 2019, 06:29:41 PM
If you want to spin it that way.

Given what I've seen from Sam (and Markus and Wojo) over the past three years, I'm confident "touches" is an unfair, over simplified assessment. It's the "company line" and doesn't quite pass the smell test for me.









Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 16, 2019, 06:33:49 PM
If you want to spin it that way. Put another way, it was all about wanting to play in a system that encouraged team play over hero ball

i'm sure this refers to when herro played in high school because i don't recall him saying he was going to nba so he could get more touches.  also, i'm pretty sure calipari was very clear on herro's role coming in.  something wojo was probably a little "wishy-washy" about and probably played a big part in joey's "misunderstandings"
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: wadesworld on May 16, 2019, 06:36:31 PM
Given what I've seen from Sam (and Markus and Wojo) over the past three years, I'm confident "touches" is an unfair, over simplified assessment. It's the "company line" and doesn't quite pass the smell test for me.

Didn’t like Herro’s style. And that was before Herro was in any college system. Didn’t like Markus’s style.

What’s the smell test telling you? Seems like the consistent stench in both situations was not Markus or Wojo, but the Hausers.

The Hausers were so anxious to “win” that it took all of one loss after a streak of 20 wins in 22 games to write a letter that divided the team.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on May 16, 2019, 06:40:53 PM
Given what I've seen from Sam (and Markus and Wojo) over the past three years, I'm confident "touches" is an unfair, over simplified assessment. It's the "company line" and doesn't quite pass the smell test for me.
They were staying if Markus left.  Wojo would have still been the coach.    If everything else is relatively status quo, but they were likely to get more touches with Markus gone, then it came down to touches for them and a perception that the BEPOY and second team All American was treated differently.    That Wojo didn't rein him in and make him share the ball.  That the team captain was allowed to do captain things.   

In the end, they chose to leave.   
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 16, 2019, 06:56:22 PM
The truth is Joey quit on the team down the stretch. Markus tried to get Joey to play harder, better.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Golden Avalanche on May 16, 2019, 07:17:30 PM
If you want to spin it that way. Put another way, it was all about wanting to play in a system that encouraged team play over hero ball.

We've been in this community for a decade and we've been good and we've been bad.

You are far too clever a Marquette supporter to be naive enough to carry the Hauser water that they are desperate to play in a "team" atmosphere and couldn't find that in our program.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 16, 2019, 07:39:18 PM
We've been in this community for a decade and we've been good and we've been bad.

You are far too clever a Marquette supporter to be naive enough to carry the Hauser water that they are desperate to play in a "team" atmosphere and couldn't find that in our program.

Lanche,

And I think you (and Tower, Wades, etc., etc.,) are far too clever to believe that Gard, Bennet and Izzo would be going after the Hausers if they were simply a couple of malcontents concerned only with their "touches".
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 16, 2019, 07:42:23 PM
Lanche,

And I think you (and Tower, Wades, etc., etc.,) are far too clever to believe that Gard, Bennet and Izzo would be going after the Hausers if they were simply a couple of malcontents concerned only with their "touches".

I think all good coaches want as many talented players as possible and think they’re capable of massaging any ego issues (I say that not knowing if the Hausers have ego issues).  Talent always trumps character
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on May 16, 2019, 07:51:12 PM
Lanche,

And I think you (and Tower, Wades, etc., etc.,) are far too clever to believe that Gard, Bennet and Izzo would be going after the Hausers if they were simply a couple of malcontents concerned only with their "touches".
Lenny, another coach is already anonymously quoted as saying he would have handled it the same way.  What happens if they don't end up in the same place?   Since they play the same position and will likely be competing for time?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 16, 2019, 08:26:31 PM
I think all good coaches want as many talented players as possible and think they’re capable of massaging any ego issues (I say that not knowing if the Hausers have ego issues).  Talent always trumps character

It's why talented malcontents usually find new jobs.

I mean, there were no shortage of suitors for Kawhi and Anthony Davis. Belichick brought in Randy Moss. T.O. got second and third and fourth chances. Richie Incognito. Riley Cooper. Milton Bradley. Laettner. J.R. Rider. Stephenson. Freakin' Dennis Rodman got a job with the team he used to hack to pieces and then, after quitting on the Bulls, got a job with the Lakers. Etc, etc, etc.

Coaches have confidence in themselves that they can be the ones who can turn people around.

And BTW, I'm not saying the Hausers are like any of those people. I don't know.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 16, 2019, 08:57:41 PM
It's why talented malcontents usually find new jobs.

I mean, there were no shortage of suitors for Kawhi and Anthony Davis. Belichick brought in Randy Moss. T.O. got second and third and fourth chances. Richie Incognito. Riley Cooper. Milton Bradley. Laettner. J.R. Rider. Stephenson. Freakin' Dennis Rodman got a job with the team he used to hack to pieces and then, after quitting on the Bulls, got a job with the Lakers. Etc, etc, etc.

Coaches have confidence in themselves that they can be the ones who can turn people around.

And BTW, I'm not saying the Hausers are like any of those people. I don't know.

Mike,

Glad you think the Hauser are only analogous to (but not exactly the same as) Randy Moss, TO, Richie Incognito, Dennis Rodman, etc. Very kind assessment.

Here's the thing - Sam and Joey aren't Hall of Famers or All Pros. Most of the Scoop community doesn't think they're good enough to play at MSU or Virginia. None of those who think they can have opined that they'll be difference makers in those programs. So riddle me this. What in the wide world of sports do Tom Izzo and Tony Bennett want with a couple of selfish malcontented children (who come with helicopter parents) who (at best) won't move the needle a whole lot at their respective programs? Are they beyond stupid? Or are those wearing blue and gold glasses missing something? I'll go with "B".
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: wadesworld on May 16, 2019, 09:06:51 PM
Mike,

Glad you think the Hauser are only analogous to (but not exactly the same as) Randy Moss, TO, Richie Incognito, Dennis Rodman, etc. Very kind assessment.

Here's the thing - Sam and Joey aren't Hall of Famers or All Pros. Most of the Scoop community doesn't think they're good enough to play at MSU or Virginia. None of those who think they can have opined that they'll be difference makers in those programs. So riddle me this. What in the wide world of sports do Tom Izzo and Tony Bennett want with a couple of selfish malcontented children (who come with helicopter parents) who (at best) won't move the needle a whole lot at their respective programs? Are they beyond stupid? Or are those wearing blue and gold glasses missing something? I'll go with "B".

Izzo was super pissed at Hausers the first go 'round because he felt "led on." Maybe time heals, but wouldn't seem like he would want to take on a player who now has a rep as being emotionally soft (not trying to slam the kid, just reporting what is being said in college coaching circles). Doesn't seem to fit Izzo's DNA. My money is on him joining his buddy Barnstormer buddy Wieskamp at Iowa. That is a big if because Wieskamp is stunningly testing the NBA waters as a freshman, which I find bizarre. He worked out for the Thunder on Sunday, so who knows?

I know who’s word I’m taking.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 16, 2019, 09:10:36 PM
I know who’s word I’m taking.

Well, they cut Iowa from their list without a visit.

And Izzo had them for a visit last week.

So,,,,

LOL
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 16, 2019, 09:13:29 PM
Mike,

Glad you think the Hauser are only analogous to (but not exactly the same as) Randy Moss, TO, Richie Incognito, Dennis Rodman, etc. Very kind assessment.

Here's the thing - Sam and Joey aren't Hall of Famers or All Pros. Most of the Scoop community doesn't think they're good enough to play at MSU or Virginia. None of those who think they can have opined that they'll be difference makers in those programs. So riddle me this. What in the wide world of sports do Tom Izzo and Tony Bennett want with a couple of selfish malcontented children (who come with helicopter parents) who (at best) won't move the needle a whole lot at their respective programs? Are they beyond stupid? Or are those wearing blue and gold glasses missing something? I'll go with "B".

Lenny, you know better than to confuse the likes of Sand-Knit with "most of the Scoop community." From what I have read these last many weeks, "most of the Scoop community" wishes none of this had ever happened, wishes very much that we had kept Sam (one of the best all-around players in recent MU history) and wishes we also had kept Joey (though defense-challenged, a good offensive player with potential).

Those saying otherwise are either reacting out of feeling jilted or are just plain dopes.

If I were Izzo or Bennett, and the Hausers wanted to play basketball for me, I'd take them in a heartbeat -- just as Tennessee took Maymon in a heartbeat. I'd be confident in my ability to handle their egos because all competitive, talented athletes have healthy egos and I'm experienced handling those kinds of players.

Mostly, I'd dismiss what happened at Marquette as "one of those things" that a change in environment would solve.

Change often is a good thing in sports. Katin Reinhardt was seen by some as problem child, too, and he worked out pretty darn well for Marquette.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muhoops1 on May 16, 2019, 09:22:15 PM
They’re announcing their decision(s) this weekend.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Pakuni on May 16, 2019, 09:26:57 PM
They’re announcing their decision(s) this weekend.

From the Stevens Point Boys & Girls Club?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 16, 2019, 09:30:57 PM
From the Stevens Point Boys & Girls Club?

That was funny. Hat tip.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Anti-Dentite on May 16, 2019, 09:33:56 PM
They’re announcing their decision(s) this weekend.
I’m saying Virginia, just a guess but seems the best fit and I think the Badgers are plan B so it well could be them also.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 16, 2019, 09:36:37 PM
They’re announcing their decision(s) this weekend.

Implying that they may choose different schools?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: bilsu on May 16, 2019, 09:39:16 PM
I just do not buy the touches angle. Yes, Markus shot more this year. 585 shots vs.515 the year before. However, Rowsey took 495 shots. 2017-2018 the starting guards took 1,010 shots. 2018-19 the starting guards took 824 shots. Sam took 370 shots in 2018-19 and 349 shots in 2017-2018.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 16, 2019, 09:45:56 PM
From the Stevens Point Boys & Girls Club?

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Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muhoops1 on May 16, 2019, 10:18:58 PM
Implying that they may choose different schools?

I have no idea.  Giving them credit for being individuals.  I have no clue, but my gut says they’re both going to UW. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: brewcity77 on May 16, 2019, 11:19:41 PM
Most of the Scoop community doesn't think they're good enough to play at MSU or Virginia. None of those who think they can have opined that they'll be difference makers in those programs.

I'm not in that camp. The idea they couldn't do well in the Big Ten where 12/14 teams were in the bottom half of tempo last year is ridiculous. And Virginia is basically tailor made for their talents. The pack line would minimize their lack of lateral quickness while allowing both to rebound aggressively. Sam in particular would shine. I think first team ACC & even contending for POY trophies could be in his future if he adjusted quickly.

If anything, of the four schools they would potentially have spent time at, Marquette's up-tempo offense & switching defense may be the one that suits them least.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: wadesworld on May 16, 2019, 11:39:08 PM
Well, they cut Iowa from their list without a visit.

And Izzo had them for a visit last week.

So,,,,

LOL

Haven't seen any official lists for the Hausers.

Anyways, what MUScoop are you reading?  MOST Scoopers don't think the Hausers are good enough for MSU or UVA?  Would love to see these posts.  I can only find one poster who thinks something even close to that really.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MUMonster03 on May 17, 2019, 02:42:17 AM
I think the school choice will shed light on the reason for transferring.

If it is UW, it was probably touches, with their current roster they would likely be the showcase players in 20-21.

If it's MSU or Virginia it was probably that they didn't see their skill set fitting in with the direction Wojo was going and that Championship coaches, both conference and now NCAA, would be better suited to prepare them for the next level. I would imagine both Izzo and Bennett have told them that they will be part of a system and if they don't capitulate they will be riding the pine.

In a side note if Joey truly did not like being criticized by Markus/Wojo I would love to see his reaction the first time Izzp blows up at him!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 17, 2019, 06:11:14 AM
I'm not in that camp. The idea they couldn't do well in the Big Ten where 12/14 teams were in the bottom half of tempo last year is ridiculous. And Virginia is basically tailor made for their talents. The pack line would minimize their lack of lateral quickness while allowing both to rebound aggressively. Sam in particular would shine. I think first team ACC & even contending for POY trophies could be in his future if he adjusted quickly.

If anything, of the four schools they would potentially have spent time at, Marquette's up-tempo offense & switching defense may be the one that suits them least.
If Sam goes to Virginia, I will bet whatever you want that he will not be ACC POY. That’s some insane homerism right there.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: brewcity77 on May 17, 2019, 07:12:20 AM
If Sam goes to Virginia, I will bet whatever you want that he will not be ACC POY. That’s some insane homerism right there.

I don't think "considered for" is a guarantee, but let's be honest. If Sam stayed & redshirted this year, he would be the favorite for BEPOY the following year. Yet at Virginia, in a system that suits his talents & play style better than Marquette, he's going to fall off the planet? Please. That's insane anti-Hauserism.

Do people really think the ACC is the NBA Northwest Division? Newsflash, it's not. Sam would be one of the best players on one of the best teams in his league. That would mean competing for first team and POY honors. Anyone pretending otherwise is just trying to salve the wound.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: bilsu on May 17, 2019, 07:16:58 AM
I think they can play at any of these schools. I just do not think they both are going to start.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 17, 2019, 07:50:17 AM
I don't think "considered for" is a guarantee, but let's be honest. If Sam stayed & redshirted this year, he would be the favorite for BEPOY the following year. Yet at Virginia, in a system that suits his talents & play style better than Marquette, he's going to fall off the planet? Please. That's insane anti-Hauserism.

Do people really think the ACC is the NBA Northwest Division? Newsflash, it's not. Sam would be one of the best players on one of the best teams in his league. That would mean competing for first team and POY honors. Anyone pretending otherwise is just trying to salve the wound.
What?  Why would Sam redshirt if he stayed at MU?  If that’s the only way he’d be a favorite for BEPOY that’s not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: lawdog77 on May 17, 2019, 08:06:16 AM
What?  Why would Sam redshirt if he stayed at MU?  If that’s the only way he’d be a favorite for BEPOY that’s not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Exactly. I don't think anyone outside of the Marquette community thinks Sam is as good of a player as Markus. He is an excellent Robin to Markus' Batman. Problem is, Joey wants to be a superhero too.

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 17, 2019, 08:12:34 AM
What?  Why would Sam redshirt if he stayed at MU?  If that’s the only way he’d be a favorite for BEPOY that’s not exactly a ringing endorsement.


I think the statement that Sam would be "considered" for all-ACC first team is an accurate one.  Now he may not make it, but he was all Big East second team this year.   
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 17, 2019, 08:15:11 AM
Exactly. I don't think anyone outside of the Marquette community thinks Sam is as good of a player as Markus. He is an excellent Robin to Markus' Batman. Problem is, Joey wants to be a superhero too.
Sam is a good player. He is not, nor will he ever be, a Zion, a Marvin, etc. etc.

Virginia is losing an awful lot. Maybe they’ll remain a top tier ACC team, maybe they won’t.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MUMonster03 on May 17, 2019, 08:15:19 AM
Exactly. I don't think anyone outside of the Marquette community thinks Sam is as good of a player as Markus. He is an excellent Robin to Markus' Batman. Problem is, Joey wants to be a superhero too.

Batgirl?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 17, 2019, 08:17:46 AM

I think the statement that Sam would be "considered" for all-ACC first team is an accurate one.  Now he may not make it, but he was all Big East second team this year.
In a terribly down year for the conference. Two players projected to be drafted, none even close to the first round.  How many players from the ACC are projected to be drafted? 

The talent pool in the ACC is far deeper.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 17, 2019, 08:23:49 AM
The Hauser brothers will be great wherever they end up.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 17, 2019, 08:34:23 AM
In a terribly down year for the conference. Two players projected to be drafted, none even close to the first round.  How many players from the ACC are projected to be drafted? 

The talent pool in the ACC is far deeper.


The ACC is a very top-heavy league.  Sam will be on one of the better teams and will undoubtedly be a valuable player on that team.  Sure there will be some one and done types that are sprinkled on the first and second teams.

Again, will he actually make the first team?  Doubtful.  But will he be in consideration?  I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: brewcity77 on May 17, 2019, 08:34:51 AM
What?  Why would Sam redshirt if he stayed at MU?  If that’s the only way he’d be a favorite for BEPOY that’s not exactly a ringing endorsement.

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Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 17, 2019, 08:54:43 AM
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Thank you for agreeing that your statement was idiotic.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on May 17, 2019, 08:59:26 AM
Yeah, so?  What’s your point?  Sam didn’t want to spend his last year of eligibility watching another season of The Markus Show.  He wanted to go to a school where he’d have a chance to be an equally important contributor.  Frankly, he’s too good to play second banana to a selfish guy trying to showcase himself every night, and he’s paid his college basketball dues, to boot.  While everyone has their own version of why they believe the transfer happened, I think it was more about Sam than Joey.

So who cares if it was about touches?  You think Markus would’ve stuck around if he wasn’t getting as many touches as he wanted, whenever he wanted them?

Except Sam will still spend next year watching the Markus Show on TV.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Golden Avalanche on May 17, 2019, 09:38:44 AM
Lanche,

And I think you (and Tower, Wades, etc., etc.,) are far too clever to believe that Gard, Bennet and Izzo would be going after the Hausers if they were simply a couple of malcontents concerned only with their "touches".

I don't think Sam is a malcontent.

I do think both want a season in which they are the main option. At this point, only one school can provide that guarantee.

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on May 17, 2019, 10:22:44 AM
What?  Why would Sam redshirt if he stayed at MU?  If that’s the only way he’d be a favorite for BEPOY that’s not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Because he would be redshirting at UVA so an apples to apples comparison would be a redshirt year here
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: brewcity77 on May 17, 2019, 11:07:54 AM
Thank you for agreeing that your statement was idiotic.

Your inability to comprehend the relevance of comparing like for like situations when the player in question will be taking a redshirt next season is baffling. That I even have to explain this much is a sad statement.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: mujivitz06 on May 17, 2019, 11:18:07 AM
Your inability to comprehend the relevance of comparing like for like situations when the player in question will be taking a redshirt next season is baffling. That I even have to explain this much is a sad statement.

+1
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 17, 2019, 11:27:25 AM
Your inability to comprehend the relevance of comparing like for like situations when the player in question will be taking a redshirt next season is baffling. That I even have to explain this much is a sad statement.
I do fail to grasp the relevance of comparing a hypothetical situation that would never ever happen. Sorry.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: THRILLHO on May 17, 2019, 11:46:25 AM
I do fail to grasp the relevance of comparing a hypothetical situation that would never ever happen. Sorry.
You're wrong. Take the L.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: brewcity77 on May 17, 2019, 11:50:35 AM
I do fail to grasp the relevance of comparing a hypothetical situation that would never ever happen. Sorry.

The comparison was Sam as a collegiate player in 2020-21. That Sam would be a certain contender for preseason BEPOY & there's no reason he wouldn't have a shot at the same award in the ACC.

Virginia has had a first team All-ACC player 4 of the past 5 years. Sam is hyper-efficient & would be joining a system that would accentuate his strengths while minimizing his weaknesses. He would be one of the best players on one of the best teams.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 17, 2019, 12:02:32 PM
The Hauser brothers will be great wherever they end up.

As I said earlier, "great" is a word thrown around a lot but often not defined.

Sam did a lot of things well for Marquette, and I was thrilled we had him, and I wish we still did. But he never even made first-team all-conference, not even in a down year for the league. Shouldn't a guy be one of his conference's best 5 players to be considered "great"?

Even if I give Sam "great," how can anybody look at what Joey did last season and be absolutely certain he is going to be "great"?

Again, I am not trying to minimize the loss of either Hauser. I sure as shyte wish they were going to be Warriors next season. I guess I just define "great" different than you do.

Markus = great.

Sam = very good.

Joey = potential to be good, maybe very good, maybe even great offensively on the right team with the right system.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: source? on May 17, 2019, 12:37:12 PM


Do people really think the ACC is the NBA Northwest Division?

Which ocean do you believe is the Atlantic? Also, when you look at a map of the United States, where do you draw the North/South line?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on May 17, 2019, 12:40:01 PM
I think they can play at any of these schools. I just do not think they both are going to start.

Both an anti-Wojo and anti-Hauser statement.  Impressive.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: brewcity77 on May 17, 2019, 12:47:17 PM
Which ocean do you believe is the Atlantic? Also, when you look at a map of the United States, where do you draw the North/South line?

I'm referring to the best top to bottom division in the NBA.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: source? on May 17, 2019, 12:55:37 PM
I'm referring to the best top to bottom division in the NBA.

Fair enough. Thought you might be having some sort of geographic reversal brainfart.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: HowardsWorld on May 17, 2019, 01:28:24 PM
Word just broke that they both are transferring to Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 17, 2019, 01:32:20 PM
Word just broke that they both are transferring to Wisconsin.

Grades posted Weds.  Transcripts cleared. The worst kept secret is now open.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 17, 2019, 01:34:19 PM
Word just broke that they both are transferring to Wisconsin.



Shockin', hey?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: willie warrior on May 17, 2019, 01:41:53 PM
While it is totally unacceptable that they are leaving, if true Wojo lost them to UW, he should be called to stand tall in front of the AD, and be hung by his balls with piano wire. Wisconsin? Losing these guys to Wisconsin speaks volumes about Wojo and his abilities. HE HAS NONE!!! Sure hopes that Wojo can immediately recruit talent to replace Sam, but that is highly unlikely. Let the slurpers continue to offer up lame Wojo excuses.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: pbiflyer on May 17, 2019, 01:46:27 PM
Word just broke that they both are transferring to Wisconsin.

Potrykus writing a puff piece in the JS is not breaking.  https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...ly/3706967002/

BTW, I do think that is where they end up though.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: HowardsWorld on May 17, 2019, 01:52:11 PM
I just think that if you are going to go to the rival team in the state at least grow some balls and announce before school is over.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Newsdreams on May 17, 2019, 01:54:00 PM
While it is totally unacceptable that they are leaving, if true Wojo lost them to UW, he should be called to stand tall in front of the AD, and be hung by his balls with piano wire. Wisconsin? Losing these guys to Wisconsin speaks volumes about Wojo and his abilities. HE HAS NONE!!! Sure hopes that Wojo can immediately recruit talent to replace Sam, but that is highly unlikely. Let the slurpers continue to offer up lame Wojo excuses.
Only place that will guarantee what they want....
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MUfan12 on May 17, 2019, 01:57:05 PM
Potrykus writing a puff piece in the JS is not breaking.  https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...ly/3706967002/

Jeffy's gotta get them clickz.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Marcus92 on May 17, 2019, 01:58:09 PM
I just think that if you are going to go to the rival team in the state at least grow some balls and announce before school is over.

Why inflame the situation? While I disagree with their decision to leave -- which doesn't really matter since it's their decision, not mine or anyone else's -- I think the Hausers have handled it the right way.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 17, 2019, 02:00:00 PM
Many of us have said repeatedly that the other schools were never in play. Sad that the Hausers felt the need to punk two highly successful, respected coaches, but whatever. I'm sure it wasn't the first for Bennett and Izzo, and it won't be the last.

The Hausers quit Marquette and are now vile rodents of F%ckytown. Enemies, just the same as the douchenozzle who grabbed Joey's nuggets.

Looking forward to kicking F%cky's arse next season, when all the Hausers can do is helplessly watch, and then really kicking their arse at FF in 2020.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: PointWarrior on May 17, 2019, 02:01:12 PM
Perhaps separate the two thoughts:

1)  He lost them - yes something went wrong - probably on Wojo and on the Hausers too

2)  They chose Wisconsin - the only place of UVA, MSU, UW that would likely take both (as in scholarships for both) and likely commit to start/play both at the same time...

And we get it you hate Wojo - maybe the best way to show it is to go on a posting-hunger-strike - show them its so bad you wont even post anymore...



While it is totally unacceptable that they are leaving, if true Wojo lost them to UW, he should be called to stand tall in front of the AD, and be hung by his balls with piano wire. Wisconsin? Losing these guys to Wisconsin speaks volumes about Wojo and his abilities. HE HAS NONE!!! Sure hopes that Wojo can immediately recruit talent to replace Sam, but that is highly unlikely. Let the slurpers continue to offer up lame Wojo excuses.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: willie warrior on May 17, 2019, 02:07:22 PM
Perhaps separate the two thoughts:

1)  He lost them - yes something went wrong - probably on Wojo and on the Hausers too

2)  They chose Wisconsin - the only place of UVA, MSU, UW that would likely take both (as in scholarships for both) and likely commit to start/play both at the same time...

And we get it you hate Wojo - maybe the best way to show it is to go on a posting-hunger-strike - show them its so bad you wont even post anymore...
On a scale to 10 for lame wojo excuses, this garners a 12. Hate Wojo? He has had 5 years to get things done, and still is blowing it. It has nothing to do with hate, but is about performance, which wih his pedigree, he has shown none.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muguru on May 17, 2019, 02:11:16 PM
Word just broke that they both are transferring to Wisconsin.

Word from where?? IF that were true, it would be all over the internet by now from CREDIBLE sources(National guys)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Marcus92 on May 17, 2019, 03:01:59 PM
Losing these guys to Wisconsin speaks volumes about Wojo and his abilities. HE HAS NONE!!! Sure hopes that Wojo can immediately recruit talent to replace Sam, but that is highly unlikely. Let the slurpers continue to offer up lame Wojo excuses.

Then it's settled. Marquette is going to 100% suck this season. There's no way Wojo adds any other quality players to the roster at this point. The season is over before it's begun.

We could see a mass exodus any day. Worse than Hiroshima, this could be an extinction event. Why would anybody stay when we suck so bad? In the highly unlikely event they do stay, there's zero chance anyone improves. Potential? That's just deluded, wishful thinking. We sucked at the end of last season; ergo, we'll suck this year. Nothing will change. Nothing will be different -- unless it gets worse. Which it probably will.

How did Wojo ever get hired as an assistant, let alone head coach of one of the top 25 programs in the country? How does a coach who sucks this bad ever beat Bethune Cookman, let alone come within a game of a Big East championship? How was the NCAA committee fooled into giving MU a tournament bid, let alone a 5 seed? How does a program that sucks this bad attract more than a few hundred deluded fans, let alone set all-time attendance records?

It's a total sham. A scam. A shameful sham scam. Can't you see? Is everyone else blind?? MU is doomed!!! Doomed, I say!!!! DOOMED!!!!!!!!

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2017-03-29/ap-releases-top-100-college-basketball-programs-based-poll (https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2017-03-29/ap-releases-top-100-college-basketball-programs-based-poll)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Marcus92 on May 17, 2019, 03:11:03 PM
Game over, man!!!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 17, 2019, 03:17:40 PM
Word just broke that they both are transferring to Wisconsin.

what??  no visits to UWM or UWGB??  they would surely be the alpha dogs there, eyn'a?

  i'd gloat, but yawn...
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 17, 2019, 03:20:46 PM
Many of us have said repeatedly that the other schools were never in play. Sad that the Hausers felt the need to punk two highly successful, respected coaches, but whatever. I'm sure it wasn't the first for Bennett and Izzo, and it won't be the last.

The Hausers quit Marquette and are now vile rodents of F%ckytown. Enemies, just the same as the douchenozzle who grabbed Joey's nuggets.

Looking forward to kicking F%cky's arse next season, when all the Hausers can do is helplessly watch, and then really kicking their arse at FF in 2020.

82-how do you know they "punked" bennett and izzo?  they coulda been in on the wink-wink
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Nukem2 on May 17, 2019, 03:24:34 PM
82-how do you know they "punked" bennett and izzo?  they coulda been in on the wink-wink
Yah, like they were gonna spend some of their budget on winks....   ;)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: PointWarrior on May 17, 2019, 03:47:26 PM
I neither despise wojo or am pro-wojo.  He was a lot to prove yet, he has made mistakes, he has made progress, transfers happen.

It appears you not only think Wojo is the worst basketball coach with NO ABILITIES (your words) but he also appears to have killed your dog, pillaged your family, and is preventing the cure for cancer from being discovered.


On a scale to 10 for lame wojo excuses, this garners a 12. Hate Wojo? He has had 5 years to get things done, and still is blowing it. It has nothing to do with hate, but is about performance, which wih his pedigree, he has shown none.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 17, 2019, 03:53:40 PM
I neither despise wojo or am pro-wojo.  He was a lot to prove yet, he has made mistakes, he has made progress, transfers happen.

It appears you not only think Wojo is the worst basketball coach with NO ABILITIES (your words) but he also appears to have killed your dog, pillaged your family, and is preventing the cure for cancer from being discovered.
You are relatively new here a time least based on your limited number of posts. 

This is what Willie does.  He whines.  Incessantly.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on May 17, 2019, 04:08:38 PM
I neither despise wojo or am pro-wojo.  He was a lot to prove yet, he has made mistakes, he has made progress, transfers happen.

It appears you not only think Wojo is the worst basketball coach with NO ABILITIES (your words) but he also appears to have killed your dog, pillaged your family, and is preventing the cure for cancer from being discovered.

This is nothing compared to his whining about Crean and Buzz.   
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Ardmore Mug on May 17, 2019, 06:18:25 PM
Interesting. Izzo at the Bucks playoff game tonight!’
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: willie warrior on May 17, 2019, 06:50:21 PM
Then it's settled. Marquette is going to 100% suck this season. There's no way Wojo adds any other quality players to the roster at this point. The season is over before it's begun.

We could see a mass exodus any day. Worse than Hiroshima, this could be an extinction event. Why would anybody stay when we suck so bad? In the highly unlikely event they do stay, there's zero chance anyone improves. Potential? That's just deluded, wishful thinking. We sucked at the end of last season; ergo, we'll suck this year. Nothing will change. Nothing will be different -- unless it gets worse. Which it probably will.

How did Wojo ever get hired as an assistant, let alone head coach of one of the top 25 programs in the country? How does a coach who sucks this bad ever beat Bethune Cookman, let alone come within a game of a Big East championship? How was the NCAA committee fooled into giving MU a tournament bid, let alone a 5 seed? How does a program that sucks this bad attract more than a few hundred deluded fans, let alone set all-time attendance records?

It's a total sham. A scam. A shameful sham scam. Can't you see? Is everyone else blind?? MU is doomed!!! Doomed, I say!!!! DOOMED!!!!!!!!

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2017-03-29/ap-releases-top-100-college-basketball-programs-based-poll (https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2017-03-29/ap-releases-top-100-college-basketball-programs-based-poll)
slurp the wojoaide
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: willie warrior on May 17, 2019, 06:51:55 PM
You are relatively new here a time least based on your limited number of posts. 

This is what Willie does.  He whines.  Incessantly.
Spoken like a nig tome wojo slurper
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 17, 2019, 07:01:04 PM
Spoken like a nig tome wojo slurper

You have a latent fascination with slurping. Instead of that, try a grape soda.  It’s very relaxing
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: bananahammock on May 17, 2019, 07:13:28 PM
From someone involved at UVA: Sam really likes Virginia but Joey prefers UW.

Would they split up? If so, MSU might be more in play for Joey.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 94Warrior on May 17, 2019, 09:00:03 PM
Interesting. Izzo at the Bucks playoff game tonight!’
Yep.  Just saw Izzo sitting on the floor.  I am guessing he is in town to make one final push. He doesn’t think it’s over.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 17, 2019, 09:11:26 PM
Mite bee heer ta interview four Woj's gig, hey?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: avid1010 on May 17, 2019, 09:20:57 PM
82-how do you know they "punked" bennett and izzo?  they coulda been in on the wink-wink
Exactly...there were issues for the Hausers at both of those schools.  If you think TB and TO get "punked" by transfers you're the fool at the table.  If you think Sam and Joey have ever done anything but show respect for those two coaches you are also a fool.  I'm really sick of people with no understanding of how something like this plays out acting like the Hausers of awful people.  STFU.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Herman Cain on May 17, 2019, 09:27:11 PM
Up to 51 pages now on the Badger board.
https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Board/103802/Contents/Wisconsin-basketball-reports-say-Badgers-could-land-Sam-and-Joey-Hauser-131221519/?Page=51
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 17, 2019, 10:02:05 PM
Yep.  Just saw Izzo sitting on the floor.  I am guessing he is in town to make one final push. He doesn’t think it’s over.

Are they even in Milwaukee?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 17, 2019, 10:05:00 PM
82-how do you know they "punked" bennett and izzo?  they coulda been in on the wink-wink

The coaches had nothing to gain by being "in on the wink-wink." That's silly.

I don't "know" the Hausers punked Bennett and Izzo. It's my opinion that they did. We all have 'em.

Exactly...there were issues for the Hausers at both of those schools.  If you think TB and TO get "punked" by transfers you're the fool at the table.  If you think Sam and Joey have ever done anything but show respect for those two coaches you are also a fool.  I'm really sick of people with no understanding of how something like this plays out acting like the Hausers of awful people.  STFU.

Never said the Hausers were "awful people." They did use Izzo and Bennett, for whatever reason, even though they have known for weeks that they were going to Wisconsin. Call it whatever you want to feel better about it.

The Hausers are residents of F%ckyland. They are our enemies now, just like the rest of 'em in douche red. I know that when my alma mater plays against them, I'll be rooting for my alma mater to crush them. Hopefully, every other Warrior will be doing the same.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Marcus92 on May 17, 2019, 10:58:35 PM
slurp the wojoaide

Some are skeptics. I'm an optimist and excited for the coming season. That's not the same as thinking Wojo can do no wrong.

I'm not satisfied with 2 NCAA tournament bids and 0 wins in 5 years. I don't think any MU fans are. I want a program on the same level as Villanova. Can Wojo take a definitive step forward -- in developing players, as a game coach, and on the recruiting trail?

I'm concerned about how last season ended -- losing 6 of our final 7 games, then 2 starters (including our second best player) deciding to transfer. That's a huge disappointment and blow to the program. But I also see a talented, deep and experienced roster next season. MU will have 4 seniors (including a returning All-American), 7 upperclassmen and perhaps Wojo's quickest, longest, most versatile backcourt yet. Will we add anyone else? Will this finally be the year the pieces come together for a special campaign?

We've seen steps forward (signing Henry and Markus, making the Big Dance 2 of 3 years, coming within a game of a Big East title) and steps back (missing the tournament, numerous transfers and last season's train-wreck ending). Skeptic or optimist, it seems safe to say next season will be Wojo's most important one as head coach of the Marquette men's basketball program.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 18, 2019, 12:39:12 AM
I don't think there was any bamboozaling of any coaches. There may have been an early lean, but I don't think a final decision was made before all the visits were made.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: willie warrior on May 18, 2019, 05:40:44 AM
You are relatively new here a time least based on your limited number of posts. 

This is what Willie does.  He whines.  Incessantly.
What I do incessantly is pine for MU to be elite  and it ain't happening under nice guy  Wojos trying
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 18, 2019, 05:50:37 AM
What I do incessantly is pine for MU to be elite  and it ain't happening under nice guy  Wojos trying

Bennett is a nice guy beilein was a nice guy, Jay is a nice guy. It's possible. Rare, but possible.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: real chili 83 on May 18, 2019, 09:26:47 AM
While it is totally unacceptable that they are leaving, if true Wojo lost them to UW, he should be called to stand tall in front of the AD, and be hung by his balls with piano wire. Wisconsin? Losing these guys to Wisconsin speaks volumes about Wojo and his abilities. HE HAS NONE!!! Sure hopes that Wojo can immediately recruit talent to replace Sam, but that is highly unlikely. Let the slurpers continue to offer up lame Wojo excuses.

You need to quit holding back.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 79Warrior on May 18, 2019, 10:07:40 AM
Up to 51 pages now on the Badger board.
https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Board/103802/Contents/Wisconsin-basketball-reports-say-Badgers-could-land-Sam-and-Joey-Hauser-131221519/?Page=51

Unless you enjoy getting getting abused, is there any reason to go on the Badger board? You know what's on it without even reading it. No thank you.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: avid1010 on May 18, 2019, 10:36:36 AM
The coaches had nothing to gain by being "in on the wink-wink." That's silly.

I don't "know" the Hausers punked Bennett and Izzo. It's my opinion that they did. We all have 'em.

Never said the Hausers were "awful people." They did use Izzo and Bennett, for whatever reason, even though they have known for weeks that they were going to Wisconsin. Call it whatever you want to feel better about it.

The Hausers are residents of F%ckyland. They are our enemies now, just like the rest of 'em in douche red. I know that when my alma mater plays against them, I'll be rooting for my alma mater to crush them. Hopefully, every other Warrior will be doing the same.
So you said they punked the coaches...which is BS...shows you don't know how it is all going down (what TO and TB have to offer in playing time and scholarships)...and continue to say they "used" TB and TO. 

Then you turn to the "they are our enemy" so I can say whatever I want about a kids character on the Internet because they play for UW card?  It's ridiculous...the only one in this whole situation that is lacking character are people on the Internet bashing kids when they have no clue what the heck is going on. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NickelDimer on May 18, 2019, 11:23:13 AM
So you said they punked the coaches...which is BS...shows you don't know how it is all going down (what TO and TB have to offer in playing time and scholarships)...and continue to say they "used" TB and TO. 

Then you turn to the "they are our enemy" so I can say whatever I want about a kids character on the Internet because they play for UW card?  It's ridiculous...the only one in this whole situation that is lacking character are people on the Internet bashing kids when they have no clue what the heck is going on.
This. All of this. To suggest they’re “playing” Izzo and Bennett is utterly baseless and would serve absolutely no motive. This is the kind of story one makes up to rationalize their resentment. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: PointWarrior on May 18, 2019, 12:04:17 PM
Come on - Joey’s secret verbal to Bucky from the first time he was recruited is still binding in badger fans minds.

This. All of this. To suggest they’re “playing” Izzo and Bennett is utterly baseless and would serve absolutely no motive. This is the kind of story one makes up to rationalize their resentment. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: jesmu84 on May 18, 2019, 01:59:58 PM
So you said they punked the coaches...which is BS...shows you don't know how it is all going down (what TO and TB have to offer in playing time and scholarships)...and continue to say they "used" TB and TO. 

Then you turn to the "they are our enemy" so I can say whatever I want about a kids character on the Internet because they play for UW card?  It's ridiculous...the only one in this whole situation that is lacking character are people on the Internet bashing kids when they have no clue what the heck is going on.

So why don't you fill us in on what is going on?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on May 18, 2019, 02:01:41 PM
Just get it over again, let Joey and Brad Davison reunite....we get them both in Milwaukee in two seasons.  Going to be fun. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dawson Rental on May 18, 2019, 03:01:11 PM
Lenny, you know better than to confuse the likes of Sand-Knit with "most of the Scoop community." From what I have read these last many weeks, "most of the Scoop community" wishes none of this had ever happened, wishes very much that we had kept Sam (one of the best all-around players in recent MU history) and wishes we also had kept Joey (though defense-challenged, a good offensive player with potential).

Those saying otherwise are either reacting out of feeling jilted or are just plain dopes.

If I were Izzo or Bennett, and the Hausers wanted to play basketball for me, I'd take them in a heartbeat -- just as Tennessee took Maymon in a heartbeat. I'd be confident in my ability to handle their egos because all competitive, talented athletes have healthy egos and I'm experienced handling those kinds of players.

Mostly, I'd dismiss what happened at Marquette as "one of those things" that a change in environment would solve.

Change often is a good thing in sports. Katin Reinhardt was seen by some as problem child, too, and he worked out pretty darn well for Marquette.

Strangely enough further away from his father and his AAU coach, Maymon was willing to play a position he wasn't willing to play at MU.  At the next stop along the line, I think transfers realize that they have less leverage to call the shots then they might have felt they had as highly sought recruits.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dawson Rental on May 18, 2019, 03:17:58 PM
Then it's settled. Marquette is going to 100% suck this season. There's no way Wojo adds any other quality players to the roster at this point. The season is over before it's begun.

We could see a mass exodus any day. Worse than Hiroshima, this could be an extinction event. Why would anybody stay when we suck so bad? In the highly unlikely event they do stay, there's zero chance anyone improves. Potential? That's just deluded, wishful thinking. We sucked at the end of last season; ergo, we'll suck this year. Nothing will change. Nothing will be different -- unless it gets worse. Which it probably will.

How did Wojo ever get hired as an assistant, let alone head coach of one of the top 25 programs in the country? How does a coach who sucks this bad ever beat Bethune Cookman, let alone come within a game of a Big East championship? How was the NCAA committee fooled into giving MU a tournament bid, let alone a 5 seed? How does a program that sucks this bad attract more than a few hundred deluded fans, let alone set all-time attendance records?

It's a total sham. A scam. A shameful sham scam. Can't you see? Is everyone else blind?? MU is doomed!!! Doomed, I say!!!! DOOMED!!!!!!!!

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2017-03-29/ap-releases-top-100-college-basketball-programs-based-poll (https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2017-03-29/ap-releases-top-100-college-basketball-programs-based-poll)

Well, when you put it that way....
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dawson Rental on May 18, 2019, 03:21:54 PM
Mite bee heer ta interview four Woj's gig, hey?

Nope, it's been promised to Bennett.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 18, 2019, 04:32:21 PM
Just get it over again, let Joey and Brad Davison reunite....we get them both in Milwaukee in two seasons.  Going to be fun.

Might be tough to pry them apart....
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 18, 2019, 05:24:12 PM
So you said they punked the coaches...which is BS...shows you don't know how it is all going down (what TO and TB have to offer in playing time and scholarships)...and continue to say they "used" TB and TO. 

Then you turn to the "they are our enemy" so I can say whatever I want about a kids character on the Internet because they play for UW card?  It's ridiculous...the only one in this whole situation that is lacking character are people on the Internet bashing kids when they have no clue what the heck is going on.

This. All of this. To suggest they’re “playing” Izzo and Bennett is utterly baseless and would serve absolutely no motive. This is the kind of story one makes up to rationalize their resentment. Plain and simple.

If they end up going anywhere but F%ckyland, I'll apologize profusely and sincerely.

After I stop laughing at F%cky for losing 'em twice.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: avid1010 on May 18, 2019, 07:57:18 PM
So why don't you fill us in on what is going on?
I did weeks ago...likely landing spot UW...UVA and MSU weren't clean offers at that time. 

That said...even if I didn't have info...I'm not dumb enough to think the Hauser boys punked Izzo and TB...nor do I believe they would be interested in doing so.  The reason for doing so would be to take 2 day vacation to MSU and UVA?  Scoop had info Izzo and TB didn't have???

MU82 trying to make sense of his poor logic by saying the Hauser's going to UW is proof they punked Izzo and TB...laughable and not fair to the Hausers. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NickelDimer on May 18, 2019, 10:20:41 PM
If they end up going anywhere but F%ckyland, I'll apologize profusely and sincerely.

After I stop laughing at F%cky for losing 'em twice.
It’s irrelevant if they end up there. The notion that their disingenuously playing Bennet and Izzo is dumb.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: jesmu84 on May 18, 2019, 10:51:12 PM
I did weeks ago...likely landing spot UW...UVA and MSU weren't clean offers at that time. 

That said...even if I didn't have info...I'm not dumb enough to think the Hauser boys punked Izzo and TB...nor do I believe they would be interested in doing so.  The reason for doing so would be to take 2 day vacation to MSU and UVA?  Scoop had info Izzo and TB didn't have???

MU82 trying to make sense of his poor logic by saying the Hauser's going to UW is proof they punked Izzo and TB...laughable and not fair to the Hausers.

What is a "clean offer"?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 18, 2019, 10:53:39 PM
It’s irrelevant if they end up there. The notion that their disingenuously playing Bennet and Izzo is dumb.

We disagree, and that's OK.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Mutaman on May 18, 2019, 11:16:04 PM
I did weeks ago...likely landing spot UW....

Thanks for the inside information. That's why we pay you the big bucks.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: brewcity77 on May 18, 2019, 11:51:13 PM
What is a "clean offer"?

I assume having scholarships open. Virginia has had the scholarships open. MSU didn't, haven't checked lately, but if the Hausers are coming I'd guess Foster Loyer would transfer so quick your head would spin.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: PointWarrior on May 19, 2019, 07:00:02 PM
Going to Bucky shows that they want to be true “main guys” / family driven decision / girlfriend influenced.   

If they want championships, to be developed for the pro’s - it’s not Bucky.

its telling if they forgo UVA or MSU is they had open scholarships.

Hell, Marquette offers the latter at this point in time than Bucky.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: jonny09 on May 19, 2019, 07:11:30 PM
Are they ever allowed back at the Al if they choose Wisconsin?  I couldn’t care less about Joey, but is Sam ever allowed back in that gym?   That would have to be considered the ultimate betrayal.  Bucky didn’t even recruit Sam.  Man oh man.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 19, 2019, 09:27:43 PM
Are they ever allowed back at the Al if they choose Wisconsin?  I couldn’t care less about Joey, but is Sam ever allowed back in that gym?   That would have to be considered the ultimate betrayal.  Bucky didn’t even recruit Sam.  Man oh man.

They transferred. School is over. Why in earth would they be allowed back in The Al?

One request of the Hausers:  End the soap opera and get on with life.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 19, 2019, 09:30:06 PM
They transferred. School is over. Why in earth would they be allowed back in The Al?

One request of the Hausers:  End the soap opera and get on with life.

Why would they even want to go back?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Golden Avalanche on May 20, 2019, 09:18:47 AM
They transferred. School is over. Why in earth would they be allowed back in The Al?

One request of the Hausers:  End the soap opera and get on with life.

Couldn't agree more.

Considering I've been told, repeatedly, that the Hausers don't like hero ball and don't want the spotlight and are just looking for a "team" approach to basketball they sure are dragggggggggggggggggggging this decision for maximum attention.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Lens on May 20, 2019, 09:42:12 AM
Couldn't agree more.

Considering I've been told, repeatedly, that the Hausers don't like hero ball and don't want the spotlight and are just looking for a "team" approach to basketball they sure are dragggggggggggggggggggging this decision for maximum attention.

yeah, they're dragging it out for maximum attention, sure.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 20, 2019, 09:48:18 AM
It is interesting why this is taking so long. It seems that, if the choice was Madison, that this would have been done yesterday.  No real reason not to announce now that classes have been over for a week at MU.

It makes me wonder if they are thinking of going to different places or are waiting until their preferred choice gets them a clean offer.  Maybe the decision was made this past weekend but can't be announced for that reason?

Regardless, I doubt they are waiting for attention reasons. I don't think many people outside their respective fan-bases are paying attention at all.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 20, 2019, 09:54:19 AM
It could just be that they haven't decided yet. Why some are convinced that they committed to Bucky weeks ago is beyond me. They may end up there but if a final decision has been reached, it has only happened recently
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Skip Intro on May 20, 2019, 10:02:17 AM
It is interesting why this is taking so long. It seems that, if the choice was Madison, that this would have been done yesterday.  No real reason not to announce now that classes have been over for a week at MU.

It makes me wonder if they are thinking of going to different places or are waiting until their preferred choice gets them a clean offer.  Maybe the decision was made this past weekend but can't be announced for that reason?

Regardless, I doubt they are waiting for attention reasons. I don't think many people outside their respective fan-bases are paying attention at all.

Anyone know when grades go out?  I'd imagine for any transfer to be "official", they have to wait for the semester grades to be posted. 

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: BrewCity83 on May 20, 2019, 10:07:33 AM
Anyone know when grades go out?  I'd imagine for any transfer to be "official", they have to wait for the semester grades to be posted.

I believe they were posted last Wednesday.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 20, 2019, 10:12:21 AM
Anyone know when grades go out?  I'd imagine for any transfer to be "official", they have to wait for the semester grades to be posted.

Pretty sure graduations come and gone so they should be out by now
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muguru on May 20, 2019, 10:13:30 AM
It is interesting why this is taking so long. It seems that, if the choice was Madison, that this would have been done yesterday.  No real reason not to announce now that classes have been over for a week at MU.

It makes me wonder if they are thinking of going to different places or are waiting until their preferred choice gets them a clean offer.  Maybe the decision was made this past weekend but can't be announced for that reason?

Regardless, I doubt they are waiting for attention reasons. I don't think many people outside their respective fan-bases are paying attention at all.

I think you're right, I think they MAY be trying to figure out if they want to split up after all. Plus, different people in the family could want different things, so they probably have to work through that too.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Nukem2 on May 20, 2019, 10:19:01 AM
I think you're right, I think they MAY be trying to figure out if they want to split up after all. Plus, different people in the family could want different things, so they probably have to work through that too.
I agree with you both.  But the sharp brains over on the Bucky boards believe its more about academic clearance for admission....even though the MU grades have been available since last Tuesday.  Those UW academic wheels must turn very slowly...   ;)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Herman Cain on May 20, 2019, 10:46:41 AM
Virginia has the following benefits:
1.  Best School of the three they are looking at.
2. Future Hall of Fame coach with Wisconsin roots
3. ACC

If they actually offer these kids should take it.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Coleman on May 20, 2019, 10:48:18 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if Sam ended up at UW and Joey ended up at Virginia.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 20, 2019, 10:51:29 AM
Anyone know when grades go out?  I'd imagine for any transfer to be "official", they have to wait for the semester grades to be posted. 

Yeah but you don't have to wait until something is official to make an announcement.  Incoming Marquette transfers are announced all the time prior to grades being posted.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 20, 2019, 10:51:55 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if Sam ended up at UW and Joey ended up at Virginia.

I'm thinking Sam at UVA and Joey at MSU.  Those were their respective finalists before.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muguru on May 20, 2019, 11:03:34 AM
I'm thinking Sam at UVA and Joey at MSU.  Those were their respective finalists before.

If they split up, I think you're right..and I also think that's probably why nothing has been announced yet..They may have figured out it's best they do split up.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 20, 2019, 11:36:25 AM
I'm thinking Sam at UVA and Joey at MSU.  Those were their respective finalists before.

Well, there have been whispers about this. Seriously.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 94Warrior on May 20, 2019, 11:37:37 AM
If they split up, I absolutely see Joey at MSU.
Sam is tougher to predict.  If his aspirations are an NBA roster, it is not in his best interest to sit out a year right now.

It boils down to priority for Sam:
Academics - UVA
NBA - MU
Girlfriend - UW.

Sam really belongs at MU, he would be welcomed back with open arms!!!!

If they stay together, it seems they are waiting for Izzo to do some roster management to free up a scholly.  Otherwise their safety school is UW.

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 20, 2019, 11:52:10 AM

Sam really belongs at MU, he would be welcomed back with open arms!!!!



I doubt that. I don't think it's impossible, but I think he would have to jump some hurdles with his coach and teammates for that to happen.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: #UnleashSean on May 20, 2019, 11:52:39 AM

One request of the Hausers:  End the soap opera and get on with life.

It seems to me that scoop is drivnt this soap opera, not the hausers. Let them choose their school in their own time and stfu.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: BCHoopster on May 20, 2019, 11:59:42 AM
It seems to me that scoop is drivnt this soap opera, not the hausers. Let them choose their school in their own time and stfu.

I agree, but Sam is making a big mistake wasting a year sitting out.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muguru on May 20, 2019, 12:01:13 PM

I doubt that. I don't think it's impossible, but I think he would have to jump some hurdles with his coach and teammates for that to happen.

I think his Coach would be fine with it, but I'm guessing his teammates would have to vote on it...I guess, honestly, I'd be surprised if they wouldn't vote to let him come back..I mean it would only make them better, and that should be what matters, right??
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 20, 2019, 12:10:47 PM
It seems to me that scoop is drivnt this soap opera, not the hausers. Let them choose their school in their own time and stfu.

Sorry to offend your sensitivities. This is the longest talked about transfer drama I can remember. The Mutiny letter leak. The high school coach interview (and father of a UW player). The Joey counter leak. The Bucky Boards and the JS saying this was a done deal to UW. Evan Flood said the UW announcement was coming this past weekend. And on...and on.

That said, you are right I don't care at all where they wind up as I want them just to be happy...and I should just stfu.  But, take it all elsewhere.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 20, 2019, 12:13:48 PM
I think his Coach would be fine with it, but I'm guessing his teammates would have to vote on it...I guess, honestly, I'd be surprised if they wouldn't vote to let him come back..I mean it would only make them better, and that should be what matters, right??


I think he would have to explain, to his coach and his teammates, why he decided to leave and why he is deciding now to come back.  I think all parties would have to accept his explanation.

In the end, it would happen for the big reason you indicate.  He's good and will help them win games.  But I don't think it's that cut-and-dried.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on May 20, 2019, 12:22:21 PM

I think he would have to explain, to his coach and his teammates, why he decided to leave and why he is deciding now to come back.  I think all parties would have to accept his explanation.

In the end, it would happen for the big reason you indicate.  He's good and will help them win games.  But I don't think it's that cut-and-dried.

What if Sam writes Wojo a letter explaining why he should be allowed back and gets the rest of the players to sign it?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Coleman on May 20, 2019, 12:29:06 PM
What if Sam writes Wojo a letter explaining why he should be allowed back and gets the rest of the players to sign it?

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Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 20, 2019, 12:36:31 PM
Yes, we all should just stfu instead of writing fan stuff on a fan interwebs board.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 20, 2019, 01:00:17 PM
It could just be that they haven't decided yet. Why some are convinced that they committed to Bucky weeks ago is beyond me. They may end up there but if a final decision has been reached, it has only happened recently

i have a very good reason why i was convinced they were going to the "red", but like many others, i am now having my doubts too.  i am not going to go back to my source and "badger" them.  if the doogies have changed their minds or whatever, it's not the fault of my source.  they went with the info they had at that time which was right after mh announced he was staying.  i think the ma WANTS them to go to Udub
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 20, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
What if Sam writes Wojo a letter explaining why he should be allowed back and gets the rest of the players to sign it?

hoooo boy!!  seriously?  ok ok sarcasm, right? teal?  waiting for the ...just kidding
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MomofMUltiples on May 20, 2019, 01:06:52 PM
Buckyville appears uncertain as well.  They are already setting up the “couldn’t get admitted to UW academically” storyline to fall back on just in case they pick somewhere else.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 20, 2019, 01:21:00 PM
Wee all no MU credits won't transfer ta UW. Sew, maebee dey should just goe where the credits will transfer like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Williams, or Stanford, aina?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Newsdreams on May 20, 2019, 01:22:14 PM
Buckyville appears uncertain as well.  They are already setting up the “couldn’t get admitted to UW academically” storyline to fall back on just in case they pick somewhere else.
Wouldn't it be precious if it was Va. Won't qualify academically at UWM but yes at Va 😂😂
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MUfan12 on May 20, 2019, 01:41:09 PM
No one's certain at this point.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 20, 2019, 01:57:23 PM
i have a very good reason why i was convinced they were going to the "red", but like many others, i am now having my doubts too.  i am not going to go back to my source and "badger" them.  if the doogies have changed their minds or whatever, it's not the fault of my source.  they went with the info they had at that time which was right after mh announced he was staying.  i think the ma WANTS them to go to Udub

I seriously had a good source that F%ckyville was a done deal. But now that exact same source is that they might go elsewhere and each to a different school.

Sources ... can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em. During my writing days, an editor would not have allowed me to use such weak sources, but on the interwebs chat sites, anything goes.

Gotta admit I'd love being wrong about F%ckyville. The idea that Bo/Gard could miss out twice on these in-state kids who have friends on the team and who in the past professed a love for F%ckyville ... it would just be too effen hilarious.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 20, 2019, 02:07:35 PM
Heer dis mite work four dem dudes, aina?

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Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 20, 2019, 02:15:17 PM
   “Our expanded offerings will provide opportunities to students who might otherwise face significant barriers to a Marquette education.”


   does playing basketball at another school count as a "significant barrier"?  ;D
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 20, 2019, 02:16:07 PM
i have a very good reason why i was convinced they were going to the "red", but like many others, i am now having my doubts too.  i am not going to go back to my source and "badger" them.  if the doogies have changed their minds or whatever, it's not the fault of my source.  they went with the info they had at that time which was right after mh announced he was staying.  i think the ma WANTS them to go to Udub

I get it. There was good insight out there saying why they might be going to bucky. But this got presented on the board as "they've committed to Bucky #donedeal" I don't know if it was bad info from a source or mistaking insight for info by the reporters.

Telephone is a b*tch of a game
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: lawdog77 on May 20, 2019, 02:19:52 PM
I get it. There was good insight out there saying why they might be going to bucky. But this got presented on the board as "they've committed to Bucky #donedeal" I don't know if it was bad info from a source or mistaking insight for info by the reporters.

Telephone is a b*tch of a game
My source is saying its still a done deal to Wisconsin. Problem is Joey's grades. Apparently he had a paper due, and he accidentally turned in a copy of his letter to Wojo instead.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: wadesworld on May 20, 2019, 02:25:10 PM
My source is saying its still a done deal to Wisconsin. Problem is Joey's grades. Apparently he had a paper due, and he accidentally turned in a copy of his letter to Wojo instead.

And since, according to our resident old men meat lovers, everyone on the team not named Markus Howard signed the letter, they all failed the class.  Which results in getting Markus exactly what he wanted, every possible shot he can get as he goes, literally, 1 on 5 every game next year.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 20, 2019, 02:26:17 PM
If they split up, I absolutely see Joey at MSU.
Sam is tougher to predict.  If his aspirations are an NBA roster, it is not in his best interest to sit out a year right now.

It boils down to priority for Sam:
Academics - UVA
NBA - MU
Girlfriend - UW.

Sam really belongs at MU, he would be welcomed back with open arms!!!!

If they stay together, it seems they are waiting for Izzo to do some roster management to free up a scholly.  Otherwise their safety school is UW.

I would be so happy if Sam came back.  Don't get my hopes up like that, brah.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 20, 2019, 02:28:38 PM
Yeah, and Kate Upton wants the entire Scoop group at her crib for a Tupperware party when the Astros are outta town, hey?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MUfan12 on May 20, 2019, 02:35:01 PM
I've been more clued in on this situation, but this is why I'm hesitant to post the small amount of info I hear when it pertains to recruiting/transfers/etc. These are still college-age kids, not exactly known for rational thought, and what you hear one day could be totally different the next as they change their minds.

They wanted to have this decided by now and it hasn't happened yet.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muguru on May 20, 2019, 02:44:36 PM
I would be so happy if Sam came back.  Don't get my hopes up like that, brah.

+1000...stranger things have happened though, right?? I mean...why not?? Maybe Sam realized leaving wasn't the best decision.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Lens on May 20, 2019, 03:07:16 PM
+1000...stranger things have happened though, right?? I mean...why not?? Maybe Sam realized leaving wasn't the best decision.

This reminds me of the rumors of KO coming back to MU after Deane was fired.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: UWW2MU on May 20, 2019, 04:20:21 PM
+1000...stranger things have happened though, right?? I mean...why not?? Maybe Sam realized leaving wasn't the best decision.

Anything is possible... but after all the social media hate they've received, I doubt this would happen. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Herman Cain on May 20, 2019, 04:23:44 PM
Yeah, and Kate Upton wants the entire Scoop group at her crib for a Tupperware party when the Astros are outta town, hey?
Sign me up
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 20, 2019, 04:33:32 PM
I would be so happy if Sam came back.  Don't get my hopes up like that, brah.

Agree 100%.  It would be a win-win for all parties. It doesn't make any sense for Sam to leave after three years.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Loose Cannon on May 20, 2019, 04:48:51 PM
Anything is possible... but after all the social media hate they've received, I doubt this would happen.

Yep,  Thomas Wolfe..  "You can't go Home again."
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 20, 2019, 05:04:19 PM
My source is saying its still a done deal to Wisconsin. Problem is Joey's grades. Apparently he had a paper due, and he accidentally turned in a copy of his letter to Wojo instead.

Now this is funny!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: lawdog77 on May 20, 2019, 05:37:48 PM
Now this is funny!
I need better material
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 20, 2019, 06:15:12 PM
Yeah, and Kate Upton wants the entire Scoop group at her crib for a Tupperware party when the Astros are outta town, hey?

yeah, what the hell!  what better way to see what's new in the world of tupper.  any chance she could do a rubber maid presentation ;)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: wojoswarrior on May 20, 2019, 06:16:26 PM
Sam is not coming back! According to someone who is very close to the program, it was Sam who is the impetus for the brothers leaving the program, not Joey! I was shocked when I heard this but the source is very reliable and I have no reason to doubt what they are saying!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muguru on May 20, 2019, 06:20:37 PM
Sam is not coming back! According to someone who is very close to the program, it was Sam who is the impetus for the brothers leaving the program, not Joey! I was shocked when I heard this but the source is very reliable and I have no reason to doubt what they are saying!

Yes
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on May 20, 2019, 06:41:09 PM
Never understood why they went to the same school in the first place. They play the same position. Sure, in high school the coach would make room for both of them to play together. I was surprised that Wojo played them together as much as he did.  They would be better off at different schools. Maybe after some sober reflection they came to that conclusion.

And I don't care what schools they go to. If they don't want to be here, they were smart to leave and we don't want to have them.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: We R Final Four on May 20, 2019, 06:52:14 PM
I love that so many scoopers have so many unnatural carnal knowledgeing reliable sources.....with differing opinions. Where they are going.....why they left.....so good.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 20, 2019, 08:03:36 PM
Sam is not coming back! According to someone who is very close to the program, it was Sam who is the impetus for the brothers leaving the program, not Joey! I was shocked when I heard this but the source is very reliable and I have no reason to doubt what they are saying!

Two exclamation points!

Must be true!

Really, really true!

!!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: wojoswarrior on May 20, 2019, 08:51:33 PM
Believe whatever you you choose to believe - it doesn’t matter to me! I’m only passing along information which I know is very reliable!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 20, 2019, 09:10:08 PM
Sam is not coming back! According to someone who is very close to the program, it was Sam who is the impetus for the brothers leaving the program, not Joey! I was shocked when I heard this but the source is very reliable and I have no reason to doubt what they are saying!

Dumb dumb.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 20, 2019, 09:24:29 PM
Believe whatever you you choose to believe - it doesn’t matter to me! I’m only passing along information which I know is very reliable!

Thanks!!!!!!

I mean it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 20, 2019, 09:26:55 PM
Telephone is a b*tch of a game
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: We R Final Four on May 20, 2019, 09:51:30 PM
So is making the claim you just got hot info from the bat phone when in reality you don’t know sheet.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 20, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
So is making the claim you just got hot info from the bat phone when in reality you don’t know sheet.

Depends! Reliability of info correlates directly with number of exclamation points used!!!!

That's science, my friend!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: WarriorPride68 on May 20, 2019, 10:07:36 PM
The long wait will be over Wednesday
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 20, 2019, 10:08:19 PM
Dumb dumb.

I'll admit that I don't know who (if anyone) was "in charge" or drove the bus on their decision, but my life experience tells me that it's much more likely little brother is the follower and big brother is the leader. People don't want to believe that because they're more invested in/attached to Sam as a person and a player - but it's the more likely scenario, IMO.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 20, 2019, 10:18:24 PM
The long wait will be over Wednesday

Ooooh ... I'm all tingly!

Oh wait ... no ... I think I'm having a heart attack. Never mind. Carry on, everybody.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on May 20, 2019, 10:19:48 PM
Ooooh ... I'm all tingly!

Oh wait ... no ... I think I'm having a heart attack. Never mind. Carry on, everybody.

If the tingly is in the leg probably not a heart attack.  Just in case, make sure to tell the doc if you are popping some blue pills.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 20, 2019, 10:22:10 PM
The long wait will be over Wednesday

38 days of drama and counting...sigh
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Loose Cannon on May 21, 2019, 01:22:00 AM
The long wait will be over Wednesday

 It ain't over till its over...Yogi
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: lawdog77 on May 21, 2019, 06:35:42 AM
It ain't over till its over...Yogi
and Lenny Kravitz
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Room510 on May 21, 2019, 06:48:06 AM
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor ?  Hell no. Nothing is over until we decide it is.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 21, 2019, 07:32:23 AM
The long wait will be over Wednesday

With apologies to Lennon and McCartney ...

Wednesday morning the news will resonate here at Scoop
Some will be upset, some will be sad
Some will be giggly, some will be mad.
Sam and Joey at last announce their next stop:
Izzo or Bennett or evil Bucky?
Leaving Marquette, they are free!

Sam (He gave us three years of his life)
Is leaving (Wanted more shots and less strife)
Us (We gave him love 'cause he was our guy)
He's leaving us and so is bro Joe (Bye-bye)

After so many years

Joey pouts although Wojo wouldn't sit him down
Looks at the letter that he and Sam wrote
"We can't play with Markus; what is your vote?"
He breaks down and cries to his daddy, "I wanna be gone
Coach is treating me thoughtlessly.
How could he do this to me?"

Joe (Had a nice start to his career)
Is leaving (Then for two months disappeared)
Us (Couldn't play D but he still was our guy)
It stinks like poop; Hausers are dividing Scoop (Bye-bye)
After all these years
They're leaving us (Bye-bye)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on May 21, 2019, 08:24:41 AM
With apologies to Lennon and McCartney ...

Wednesday morning the news will resonate here at Scoop
Some will be upset, some will be sad
Some will be giggly, some will be mad.
Sam and Joey at last announce their next stop:
Izzo or Bennett or evil Bucky?
Leaving Marquette, they are free!

Sam (He gave us three years of his life)
Is leaving (Wanted more shots and less strife)
Us (We gave him love 'cause he was our guy)
He's leaving us and so is bro Joe (Bye-bye)

After so many years

Joey pouts although Wojo wouldn't sit him down
Looks at the letter that he and Sam wrote
"We can't play with Markus; what is your vote?"
He breaks down and cries to his daddy, "I wanna be gone
Coach is treating me thoughtlessly.
How could he do this to me?"

Joe (Had a nice start to his career)
Is leaving (Then for two months disappeared)
Us (Couldn't play D but he still was our guy)
It stinks like poop; Hausers are dividing Scoop (Bye-bye)
After all these years
They're leaving us (Bye-bye)

Bravo.  Too bad Yoko Wojo broke up the band.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NickelDimer on May 21, 2019, 09:29:54 AM
The long wait will be over Wednesday
And Wednesday we’ll learn...?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 21, 2019, 09:43:16 AM
Bravo.  Too bad Yoko Wojo broke up the band.

You're not paying attention, the quitters, maybe traitors, left the team. But, the band plays on.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: #UnleashSean on May 21, 2019, 11:09:11 AM
You're not paying attention, the quitters, maybe traitors, left the team. But, the band plays on.

Are Ed Morrow and Koby Mcewen also quitters/traitors?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on May 21, 2019, 11:10:54 AM
Are Ed Morrow and Koby Mcewen also quitters/traitors?

Utah State and Nebraska fans would have a different opinion likely.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 21, 2019, 11:44:14 AM
Are Ed Morrow and Koby Mcewen also quitters/traitors?

Perhaps to Nebraska and Utah State fans they are. And I would support their right to think that.

If we played at Nebraska, and if the fans were decent at all, they would be rooting against Ed with every fiber of their being. He would be the enemy.

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on May 21, 2019, 11:46:10 AM
Pretty sure the Nebraska and Utah St fanbases aren't choosing Koby and Ed over the coaches.    Though I believe both schools have changed coaches since then. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 21, 2019, 12:01:56 PM
Pretty sure the Nebraska and Utah St fanbases aren't choosing Koby and Ed over the coaches.    Though I believe both schools have changed coaches since then.

I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept for some, unless they actually love the Hausers more than they love their alma mater.

It the Hausers go to Wisconsin, it will be no more difficult for me to root against them than it was for me to root against Kaminsky, Jackson, Hayes, Dekker, Gasser, Davison, Showalter, Happ, Hughes, Bohannon and Bo. They will be the enemies.

It doesn't mean I didn't appreciate Sam's contribution to our program, but he chose to defect from our program.

If he somehow ends up at UVa and Joey at MSU, I'll be indifferent about them because we probably won't play against them (unless they are good enough to play us in the Final Four). But if they end up in F%ckyland, I mean, it'll be an easy easy easy decision to root against him, and I'll enjoy doing so very much.

We are Marquette.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Silent Verbal on May 21, 2019, 12:02:50 PM
Perhaps to Nebraska and Utah State fans they are. And I would support their right to think that.

If we played at Nebraska, and if the fans were decent at all, they would be rooting against Ed with every fiber of their being. He would be the enemy.

Most of their fans could probably care less that those two guys are gone at this point.  It’d be like if Traci Carter came back and played us last year.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: mujivitz06 on May 21, 2019, 12:17:09 PM
I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept for some, unless they actually love the Hausers more than they love their alma mater.

It the Hausers go to Wisconsin, it will be no more difficult for me to root against them than it was for me to root against Kaminsky, Jackson, Hayes, Dekker, Gasser, Davison, Showalter, Happ, Hughes, Bohannon and Bo. They will be the enemies.

It doesn't mean I didn't appreciate Sam's contribution to our program, but he chose to defect from our program.

If he somehow ends up at UVa and Joey at MSU, I'll be indifferent about them because we probably won't play against them (unless they are good enough to play us in the Final Four). But if they end up in F%ckyland, I mean, it'll be an easy easy easy decision to root against him, and I'll enjoy doing so very much.

We are Marquette.

+100
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 21, 2019, 12:32:53 PM
Most of their fans could probably care less that those two guys are gone at this point.  It’d be like if Traci Carter came back and played us last year.

If Ed went to Creighton I could see a lot of anti Ed or if Koby went to Utah
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 21, 2019, 01:40:50 PM
Most of their fans could probably care less that those two guys are gone at this point.  It’d be like if Traci Carter came back and played us last year.

Hmmm.

OK ... how about if Traci Carter was a second-team all-conference player for us and then bailed on a preseason top-10 team to go to Wisconsin because he didn't get along with our All-American?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 21, 2019, 01:47:04 PM
I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept for some, unless they actually love the Hausers more than they love their alma mater.

It the Hausers go to Wisconsin, it will be no more difficult for me to root against them than it was for me to root against Kaminsky, Jackson, Hayes, Dekker, Gasser, Davison, Showalter, Happ, Hughes, Bohannon and Bo. They will be the enemies.

It doesn't mean I didn't appreciate Sam's contribution to our program, but he chose to defect from our program.

If he somehow ends up at UVa and Joey at MSU, I'll be indifferent about them because we probably won't play against them (unless they are good enough to play us in the Final Four). But if they end up in F%ckyland, I mean, it'll be an easy easy easy decision to root against him, and I'll enjoy doing so very much.

We are Marquette.

Agree 100%. Go Marquette!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: drbob on May 21, 2019, 03:42:11 PM
I think it is time to report Scoop to the humane society or ASPCA,  I can't believe we are still beating the same dead horse !!!  LET IT GO  THEY ARE GONE   LIFE GOES ON !!!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: WarriorPride68 on May 21, 2019, 03:42:59 PM
And Wednesday we’ll learn...?

A new level of hatred for Wisconsin
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Pakuni on May 21, 2019, 04:07:03 PM
I think it is time to report Scoop to the humane society or ASPCA,  I can't believe we are still beating the same dead horse !!!  LET IT GO  THEY ARE GONE   LIFE GOES ON !!!

We're still debating Mike Deane and Tom Crean around here.
Nothing ever truly dies on Scoop.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Marcus92 on May 21, 2019, 04:45:26 PM
There's still debate about Hank and Rick around here. Some posters will never let anything die on Scoop.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NickelDimer on May 21, 2019, 05:25:22 PM
A new level of hatred for Wisconsin Sam and Joey
That would be my response if true
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Warriors4ever on May 21, 2019, 05:35:34 PM
One More Dawn, One More Day, One Day More (student waving the red flag behind -is that a portent?)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 21, 2019, 06:47:21 PM
Are Ed Morrow and Koby Mcewen also quitters/traitors?

if they went to creighton and utah, maybe?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 21, 2019, 07:37:40 PM
We're still debating Mike Deane and Tom Crean around here.

My sources say they made sexy time together.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Shooter McGavin on May 21, 2019, 09:31:29 PM
I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept for some, unless they actually love the Hausers more than they love their alma mater.

It the Hausers go to Wisconsin, it will be no more difficult for me to root against them than it was for me to root against Kaminsky, Jackson, Hayes, Dekker, Gasser, Davison, Showalter, Happ, Hughes, Bohannon and Bo. They will be the enemies.

It doesn't mean I didn't appreciate Sam's contribution to our program, but he chose to defect from our program.

If he somehow ends up at UVa and Joey at MSU, I'll be indifferent about them because we probably won't play against them (unless they are good enough to play us in the Final Four). But if they end up in F%ckyland, I mean, it'll be an easy easy easy decision to root against him, and I'll enjoy doing so very much.

We are Marquette.

No brainer take on this point.   I loved watching Sam play for MU.  He was one of my favorite players.  Loved interacting with his family at the Maui Invitational as well.  They are really good people.  But if he goes to Wisconsin he will simply cross a line of no return for me.  Anyone who loves Marquette realizes this is a cardinal sin.   If you don’t understand this you are not a fan.  The fans should root against him if it happens.  There is nothing more to say.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: noblewarrior on May 22, 2019, 04:10:10 PM
What time is the reveal show?  Channel? 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 22, 2019, 05:01:12 PM
Agree with 82 and Shooter.

If they go to UVa and/or MSU, they’ll be pretty much like Traci or Deonte - it would have been nice if they had stayed, but they basically disappeared for me when they left.

If they go to Madison, they will forever be pariahs who couldn’t handle playing in Markus’ shadow.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: willie warrior on May 22, 2019, 05:35:17 PM
Agree with 82 and Shooter.

If they go to UVa and/or MSU, they’ll be pretty much like Traci or Deonte - it would have been nice if they had stayed, but they basically disappeared for me when they left.

If they go to Madison, they will forever be pariahs who couldn’t handle playing in Markus’ shadow.
And if they do go to Madison, Crean's ass will forever hang higher in infamy for allowing this to happen. Dont misunderstand, his ass is hanging high in infamy already, but to lose them to Bucky hoists has ass to the top of the yardarm.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 22, 2019, 05:39:23 PM
And if they do go to Madison, Crean's ass will forever hang higher in infamy for allowing this to happen. Dont misunderstand, his ass is hanging high in infamy already, but to lose them to Bucky hoists has ass to the top of the yardarm.

Does your family know about your day drinking problem?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on May 22, 2019, 05:41:34 PM
And if they do go to Madison, Crean's ass will forever hang higher in infamy for allowing this to happen. Dont misunderstand, his ass is hanging high in infamy already, but to lose them to Bucky hoists has ass to the top of the yardarm.
Does your family know about your day drinking problem?

I was going to say: "Enjoying Your Happy Hour?"
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: jesmu84 on May 22, 2019, 05:46:17 PM
The long wait will be over Wednesday

??
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 22, 2019, 06:08:05 PM
??

He didn’t specify which Wednesday.... ;)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Sir Lawrence on May 22, 2019, 07:30:19 PM
I’m curious:  in several threads on this topic there have been references to the number of players in the “portal.”  When does the portal typically clear out?  Is there a time frame for when most season end transfers are set?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: We R Final Four on May 22, 2019, 08:30:51 PM
??
Info must have come from someone very close to the program or Hausers.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 22, 2019, 08:34:18 PM
He didn’t specify which Wednesday.... ;)

Just heard from a well placed insider - Hauser decision due on a day that ends in "y".
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on May 22, 2019, 08:34:36 PM
And if they do go to Madison, Crean's ass will forever hang higher in infamy for allowing this to happen. Dont misunderstand, his ass is hanging high in infamy already, but to lose them to Bucky hoists has ass to the top of the yardarm.
Did wee whiner Mazos fall into a time warp?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: We R Final Four on May 22, 2019, 08:45:01 PM
I knew Crean was behind this.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 22, 2019, 09:30:45 PM
Just heard from a well placed insider - Hauser decision due on a day that ends in "y".

When at Marquette, my buddies and I used to say that those were the only days we'd have a drink.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: avid1010 on May 22, 2019, 09:34:33 PM
Hmmm.

OK ... how about if Traci Carter was a second-team all-conference player for us and then bailed on a preseason top-10 team to go to Wisconsin because he didn't get along with our All-American?
What if the coach couldn't get the all-american to pass the fing ball so they decided to transfer to a school where they respected how the game was played?  Two sides to every story...doesn't mean I won't root like hell for MU when we play them...but it also doesn't mean they weren't justified in leaving.  I wouldn't advise either of them to play with Markus...sure as hell wouldn't want my kid playing in that type of system if they had the same potentail and game of Sam/Joey.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 22, 2019, 09:42:31 PM
What if the coach couldn't get the all-american to pass the fing ball so they decided to transfer to a school where they respected how the game was played?  Two sides to every story...doesn't mean I won't root like hell for MU when we play them...but it also doesn't mean they weren't justified in leaving.  I wouldn't advise either of them to play with Markus...sure as hell wouldn't want my kid playing in that type of system if they had the same potentail and game of Sam/Joey.

You're allowed to love Sam and Joey and to dislike Markus all you want; I don't happen to share those feelings, but that's beside the point. My comment was in response to somebody comparing the Hauser situation to Traci's.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 22, 2019, 09:43:39 PM
When at Marquette, my buddies and I used to say that those were the only days we'd have a drink.

A tradition that links Marquette students of all generations!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 22, 2019, 10:07:20 PM
What if the coach couldn't get the all-american to pass the fing ball so they decided to transfer to a school where they respected how the game was played?  Two sides to every story...doesn't mean I won't root like hell for MU when we play them...but it also doesn't mean they weren't justified in leaving.  I wouldn't advise either of them to play with Markus...sure as hell wouldn't want my kid playing in that type of system if they had the same potentail and game of Sam/Joey.

Avid,

Your point is basically the same one I've been making all along. And plenty of people here wanted less Markus hero ball/more team ball, too. Criticism was so pronounced that Mike (MU82) wondered if some of the Sam love/Markus questioning was racially based. Once Sam said no mas, though, he became the enemy and those who previously openly questioned Wojo/Markus circled the wagons and became their biggest defenders. Like you, I'll root for  Wojo, Markus and the Warriors to win every game going forward. If we meet up with Sam and/or Joey I hope we crush them. But I can't hate a guy who gave us nothing but his best for 3 years because he wants to play his final year in a more team centric atmosphere.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Silent Verbal on May 22, 2019, 10:08:40 PM
You're allowed to love Sam and Joey and to dislike Markus all you want; I don't happen to share those feelings, but that's beside the point. My comment was in response to somebody comparing the Hauser situation to Traci's.

I was comparing Ed Morrow’s situation to Traci’s, since you brought up Morrow and Nebraska fans.  Morrow didn’t grow up in Nebraska, wasn’t a highly rated recruit, played a couple solid if unremarkable seasons for the Huskers, and transferred.  Much like Traci did for us.

There’s obviously a lot more emotion involved with the Hausers since they were big name players (relatively speaking) who grew up in state.  Sam in particular was an indispensable player his whole time on campus and was trending toward that Lazar/Novak/Diener/JFB level.  Not an all-time great but second or third tier, for sure.

Short story long, I don’t think Koby’s and Ed’s former fanbases really care anymore that they transferred.  Would we boo Haanif if he came back to play against us?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 94Warrior on May 22, 2019, 10:59:38 PM
I was comparing Ed Morrow’s situation to Traci’s, since you brought up Morrow and Nebraska fans.  Morrow didn’t grow up in Nebraska, wasn’t a highly rated recruit, played a couple solid if unremarkable seasons for the Huskers, and transferred.  Much like Traci did for us.

There’s obviously a lot more emotion involved with the Hausers since they were big name players (relatively speaking) who grew up in state.  Sam in particular was an indispensable player his whole time on campus and was trending toward that Lazar/Novak/Diener/JFB level.  Not an all-time great but second or third tier, for sure.

Short story long, I don’t think Koby’s and Ed’s former fanbases really care anymore that they transferred.  Would we boo Haanif if he came back to play against us?
Would Haanif be wearing red?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 22, 2019, 11:25:38 PM
I’m curious:  in several threads on this topic there have been references to the number of players in the “portal.”  When does the portal typically clear out?  Is there a time frame for when most season end transfers are set?

By my count, there have been 851 total D1 transfers this season.

Of those 851, 462 are still in the portal (I've likely missed some, I'd guess somewhere between 462 and 400 is the real number)

Of those 462, I'd classify 56 of them of being good enough to possibly crack Marquette's rotation (this means that they are at least good enough to be the last guy in the rotation at some point before they graduate)

Of those 56, 27 are traditional transfers, 29 are grad transfers. Most of the 56 are closer to back of the rotation players than potential starters.

This is a long way of saying that, most of the high level transfers have happened already, though we will have action throughout the summer. There are still plenty of transfers available but most of them are at the low major level (or transferring to a lower division). We will likely see some action pick up after the May 29th deadline for early entrants to return to school. Some of those that come back will decide to transfer...or by coming back will convince another player to transfer.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Herman Cain on May 23, 2019, 12:12:15 AM
By my count, there have been 851 total D1 transfers this season.

Of those 851, 462 are still in the portal (I've likely missed some, I'd guess somewhere between 462 and 400 is the real number)

Of those 462, I'd classify 56 of them of being good enough to possibly crack Marquette's rotation (this means that they are at least good enough to be the last guy in the rotation at some point before they graduate)

Of those 56, 27 are traditional transfers, 29 are grad transfers. Most of the 56 are closer to back of the rotation players than potential starters.

This is a long way of saying that, most of the high level transfers have happened already, though we will have action throughout the summer. There are still plenty of transfers available but most of them are at the low major level (or transferring to a lower division). We will likely see some action pick up after the May 29th deadline for early entrants to return to school. Some of those that come back will decide to transfer...or by coming back will convince another player to transfer.
How do you think this years crop of  available transfers ranks relative to prior years?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Sir Lawrence on May 23, 2019, 05:12:15 AM
By my count, there have been 851 total D1 transfers this season.

Of those 851, 462 are still in the portal (I've likely missed some, I'd guess somewhere between 462 and 400 is the real number)

Of those 462, I'd classify 56 of them of being good enough to possibly crack Marquette's rotation (this means that they are at least good enough to be the last guy in the rotation at some point before they graduate)

Of those 56, 27 are traditional transfers, 29 are grad transfers. Most of the 56 are closer to back of the rotation players than potential starters.

This is a long way of saying that, most of the high level transfers have happened already, though we will have action throughout the summer. There are still plenty of transfers available but most of them are at the low major level (or transferring to a lower division). We will likely see some action pick up after the May 29th deadline for early entrants to return to school. Some of those that come back will decide to transfer...or by coming back will convince another player to transfer.

Thank you. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: avid1010 on May 23, 2019, 05:51:14 AM
You're allowed to love Sam and Joey and to dislike Markus all you want; I don't happen to share those feelings, but that's beside the point. My comment was in response to somebody comparing the Hauser situation to Traci's.
I wasn't asking your permission for anything.  Just pointing out a serious concern that while Wojo repeatedly discussed the need for Markus to better distribute the ball...Markus never did so.  When you use the word "bail"...and you've said much worse about the Hauser's...you have to wonder who is really at fault.

 I had a guy working for me that was extremely dedicated to the profession and great at his job...couldn't get along with others because it had to be about him.  I lost a solid employee because he was sick of the guy...and it was plain to see as a team they weren't functioning at their full potential and others were going to leave as well.  He was shown the door and the collective output increased.  Wished I could have gotten the guy to see past himself...would have been better for his pocket book and everyone else's.

We will all be rooting for MU.  Should I say God bless America after every post as well?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: willie warrior on May 23, 2019, 06:02:22 AM
Did wee whiner Mazos fall into a time warp?
Same one you have never been able to leave from.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: We R Final Four on May 23, 2019, 06:22:54 AM
BURN!  ::)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Newsdreams on May 23, 2019, 06:40:42 AM
Would Haanif be wearing red?
With Nebraska, yes
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on May 23, 2019, 06:56:39 AM
I wasn't asking your permission for anything.  Just pointing out a serious concern that while Wojo repeatedly discussed the need for Markus to better distribute the ball...Markus never did so.  When you use the word "bail"...and you've said much worse about the Hauser's...you have to wonder who is really at fault.

 I had a guy working for me that was extremely dedicated to the profession and great at his job...couldn't get along with others because it had to be about him.  I lost a solid employee because he was sick of the guy...and it was plain to see as a team they weren't functioning at their full potential and others were going to leave as well.  He was shown the door and the collective output increased.  Wished I could have gotten the guy to see past himself...would have been better for his pocket book and everyone else's.

We will all be rooting for MU.  Should I say God bless America after every post as well?

What if the problem left?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 23, 2019, 06:57:34 AM
What if the problem left?
How dare you.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: brewcity77 on May 23, 2019, 07:15:36 AM
I’m curious:  in several threads on this topic there have been references to the number of players in the “portal.”  When does the portal typically clear out?  Is there a time frame for when most season end transfers are set?

It's definitely an inexact science. I think most guys have their destinations set by early June so they can get on campus if they are taking any summer classes. Guys that aren't taking summer classes can stretch that decision into July or August, but that's far less common. And as some players transfer and never find a landing spot (whether due to giving up the sport, pursuing professional playing options, or just joining the workforce) the portal never really clears out.

Sorry for what, looking at it, feels like a pretty crap answer. That said, I do think we are getting pretty late into the transfer process.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NickelDimer on May 23, 2019, 09:11:30 AM
What if the problem left?
Woj to the Heat?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: GOO on May 23, 2019, 09:14:44 AM
It's definitely an inexact science. I think most guys have their destinations set by early June so they can get on campus if they are taking any summer classes. Guys that aren't taking summer classes can stretch that decision into July or August, but that's far less common. And as some players transfer and never find a landing spot (whether due to giving up the sport, pursuing professional playing options, or just joining the workforce) the portal never really clears out.

Sorry for what, looking at it, feels like a pretty crap answer. That said, I do think we are getting pretty late into the transfer process.

If I remember correctly, Crean had a player from Minnesota that was injured, rehabbed on MU's dime, took summer classes at MU, and then a day or two before the fall semester started, transferred to a another school (Miami?). 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 23, 2019, 09:16:27 AM
I was comparing Ed Morrow’s situation to Traci’s, since you brought up Morrow and Nebraska fans.  Morrow didn’t grow up in Nebraska, wasn’t a highly rated recruit, played a couple solid if unremarkable seasons for the Huskers, and transferred.  Much like Traci did for us.

There’s obviously a lot more emotion involved with the Hausers since they were big name players (relatively speaking) who grew up in state.  Sam in particular was an indispensable player his whole time on campus and was trending toward that Lazar/Novak/Diener/JFB level.  Not an all-time great but second or third tier, for sure.

Short story long, I don’t think Koby’s and Ed’s former fanbases really care anymore that they transferred.  Would we boo Haanif if he came back to play against us?

First, I sincerely apologize for mis-stating the intention of your post. For some reason I thought you were talking about the Hausers, so I apologize, as I never want to misrepresent what anybody else says.

And I agree with your thesis.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: cheebs09 on May 23, 2019, 09:24:08 AM
If I remember correctly, Crean had a player from Minnesota that was injured, rehabbed on MU's dime, took summer classes at MU, and then a day or two before the fall semester started, transferred to a another school (Miami?).

That was Mbakwe. He left right before the school year of Buzz’s first year, but was recruited by Crean and planned to redshirt due to injury, but played later in the year.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on May 23, 2019, 09:24:43 AM
I wasn't asking your permission for anything.  Just pointing out a serious concern that while Wojo repeatedly discussed the need for Markus to better distribute the ball...Markus never did so.  When you use the word "bail"...and you've said much worse about the Hauser's...you have to wonder who is really at fault.

 I had a guy working for me that was extremely dedicated to the profession and great at his job...couldn't get along with others because it had to be about him.  I lost a solid employee because he was sick of the guy...and it was plain to see as a team they weren't functioning at their full potential and others were going to leave as well.  He was shown the door and the collective output increased.  Wished I could have gotten the guy to see past himself...would have been better for his pocket book and everyone else's.

We will all be rooting for MU.  Should I say God bless America after every post as well?

Glad you will be rooting for MU. No need to invoke a religious song after your posts unless you want to.

As for who is "at fault," unlike some I truly believe there is plenty of blame to go around.

The story line that the angelic, totally unselfish Hausers came to dislike and distrust Wojo while actually remaining friendly with Markus but were willing to stay and play for the coach they disliked and distrusted as long as their friend left ... sorry, but that tale has more plot holes than GoT Season 8.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: GOO on May 23, 2019, 09:30:12 AM
That was Mbakwe. He left right before the school year of Buzz’s first year, but was recruited by Crean and planned to redshirt due to injury, but played later in the year.

Thanks, that is him, of course.  Wasn't it literally like a day or two before the fall semester was going to begin and he just blindsided everyone with the transfer.  That was a bit of a blow for a team that was already undersized.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Silent Verbal on May 23, 2019, 11:43:16 AM
First, I sincerely apologize for mis-stating the intention of your post. For some reason I thought you were talking about the Hausers, so I apologize, as I never want to misrepresent what anybody else says.

And I agree with your thesis.

No worries!  There’s been so much gobbledygook posted in different threads about mostly the same stuff (some of it by me) that it gets tough to keep track of who’s talking about what.

Actually, I never thanked you for your excellent and detailed breakdown of Koby’s games against high majors (or rather his lack thereof) in response to my question about it a few weeks ago.  So, mea culpas all around!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: lawdog77 on May 23, 2019, 11:54:43 AM
Thanks, that is him, of course.  Wasn't it literally like a day or two before the fall semester was going to begin and he just blindsided everyone with the transfer.  That was a bit of a blow for a team that was already undersized.
Invoking the name of the Great Mbakwe shall cause great harm to us all!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Jay Bee on May 23, 2019, 01:48:47 PM
(Miami?).

No. Miami Dade College.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: We R Final Four on December 19, 2019, 08:25:22 PM
Not sure where to put this...watching volleyball Final Four UW v Baylor.
Going to commercial break, saw this guy in the crowd. Strange situation cheering for your girlfriend wearing a Bucky shirt...and everyone in the crowd is disappointed in your decision.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 19, 2019, 08:39:52 PM
Sum dudes'll due anythin' four a peace of ass, hey?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Herman Cain on December 19, 2019, 10:02:38 PM
Sum dudes'll due anythin' four a peace of ass, hey?
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Ardmore Mug on December 19, 2019, 10:05:13 PM
Sam Who ? ? ?   :P   8-)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Mutaman on December 19, 2019, 10:11:14 PM
Not sure where to put this...watching volleyball Final Four UW v Baylor.
Going to commercial break, saw this guy in the crowd. Strange situation cheering for your girlfriend wearing a Bucky shirt...and everyone in the crowd is disappointed in your decision.

Giannis v LeBron and you're watching a  volleyball game?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 19, 2019, 10:12:58 PM
Giannis v LeBron and you're watching a  volleyball game?

Paint drying and you're watching an NBA game?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Mutaman on December 19, 2019, 10:16:01 PM
Paint drying and you're watching an NBA game?

Supporting Wesley (who was superb tonight).
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 19, 2019, 10:29:16 PM
Not sure where to put this...watching volleyball Final Four UW v Baylor.
Going to commercial break, saw this guy in the crowd. Strange situation cheering for your girlfriend wearing a Bucky shirt...and everyone in the crowd is disappointed in your decision.

Nothing strange about that. His GF is going to the NCAA finals. And who is disappointed that he's cheering for his GF?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 20, 2019, 08:33:38 AM
Nothing strange about that. His GF is going to the NCAA finals. And who is disappointed that he's cheering for his GF?

ya gotta give SH some credit here-nice girl, very bright, great family, good people.  sam shoulda stayed, let his lil bro air his dirty laundry somewhere else, as he has.  the way UVA's offense(or lack thereof) is set up, sam will be lucky to get 8-10 shots per game.  they are currently averaging 54 points per game as a team.  he may win there, but if he planned on getting more good looks sans a poy candidate, not sure this was the place to go. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2019, 08:54:40 AM
the way UVA's offense(or lack thereof) is set up, sam will be lucky to get 8-10 shots per game.  they are currently averaging 54 points per game as a team.  he may win there, but if he planned on getting more good looks sans a poy candidate, not sure this was the place to go.

Agree with this comment. Virginia is a strange place to go for a guy looking for more scoring opportunities to impress NBA scouts. He absolutely would have gotten more shots this season with our boyz.

Then again, NBA scouts are impressed by other stuff, too. So if Sam just plays his game he'll be OK. Borderline prospect, anyway, but I do still think he'll get a serious look.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: wadesworld on December 20, 2019, 08:58:09 AM
Agree with this comment. Virginia is a strange place to go for a guy looking for more scoring opportunities to impress NBA scouts. He absolutely would have gotten more shots this season with our boyz.

Then again, NBA scouts are impressed by other stuff, too. So if Sam just plays his game he'll be OK. Borderline prospect, anyway, but I do still think he'll get a serious look.

Come on now.  The men who love to eat meat of MUScoop have told us they didn't care about their own shots.  They wanted more equal distribution for the likes of Theo John, Ed Morrow, Jamal Cain, etc.

Having said that, UVA players had no problem getting enough shots to be noticed by NBA scouts last year.  Winning puts you in the spotlight for those scouts to find you.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NCMUFan on December 20, 2019, 09:06:38 AM
Time will tell if the transfers were a good decision for the Hauser boys.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Coleman on December 20, 2019, 09:11:57 AM
Sam's reasons for transferring are known to him, and him alone. No one here can tell him whether or not it was a good decision, because no one here knows his motivations and priorities. I wish Sam, and Joey, the best.

Losing players to transfers sucks, but it is the reality of college basketball. Guys who play four years at one school are becoming the exception, not the rule.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: We R Final Four on December 20, 2019, 10:22:37 AM
Giannis v LeBron and you're watching a  volleyball game?
Wake me when it’s June.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 20, 2019, 11:39:26 AM
Giannis v LeBron and you're watching a  volleyball game?

high level, every entertaining athletics, a team MU beat, the final four. Heck yes I was.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 20, 2019, 11:49:00 AM
Come on now.  The men who love to eat meat of MUScoop have told us they didn't care about their own shots.  They wanted more equal distribution for the likes of Theo John, Ed Morrow, Jamal Cain, etc.

Having said that, UVA players had no problem getting enough shots to be noticed by NBA scouts last year.  Winning puts you in the spotlight for those scouts to find you.

The first part of this statement will never not make me laugh
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on December 20, 2019, 11:50:45 AM
Time will tell if the transfers were a good decision for the Hauser boys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-18J8lGJeLo
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: warriorjoe on December 20, 2019, 12:29:58 PM
They're gone.

Both players will have a lot of time to think about their decision while they are sitting on the bench.

Next man up.

Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 20, 2019, 12:55:58 PM
Virginia just produced three first round picks. Their style will not limit Sam's draft stock
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: muhoops1 on December 20, 2019, 12:59:33 PM
Not sure where to put this...watching volleyball Final Four UW v Baylor.
Going to commercial break, saw this guy in the crowd. Strange situation cheering for your girlfriend wearing a Bucky shirt...and everyone in the crowd is disappointed in your decision.

Love Trumps All?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MUDPT on December 20, 2019, 01:07:12 PM
They are both perfect fits for their teams this season. UVA needs outside shooting. MSU needs a 4. We shall see after this season.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 20, 2019, 04:49:30 PM
The first part of this statement will never not make me laugh

  come on now?

  tears are coming out of my eyes-stop stop you're killing me


   
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: We R Final Four on December 20, 2019, 04:57:23 PM
Nothing strange about that. His GF is going to the NCAA finals. And who is disappointed that he's cheering for his GF?
Every Badger fan he is sitting with.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on December 22, 2019, 05:22:59 AM
It really stinks because Sam would be ending a great college career at Marquette this year if it weren't for his spoiled pouting younger brother. It cost them big time and changed our memory of Sam from a good one to a bad dream that we'd rather not think about any more. Sad.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Lens on December 22, 2019, 06:16:19 AM
For the past 30+ years I have seen it all.  Losses to Dayton, SLU, heck even TCU.  But nothing dampened my spirit. 

This transfer has challenged my faith more than anything.

Markus not passing to Sam on that last possession vs. Seton Hall may have broken me more than it broke the Hausers.  I find no joy in Marquette hoops now.   I have my season tix, I still read scoop, but something is different. 

Hopefully next year will be better, we’ll see.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Johnny B on December 22, 2019, 07:06:00 AM
Lock this
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 🏀 on December 22, 2019, 07:15:56 AM
For the past 30+ years I have seen it all.  Losses to Dayton, SLU, heck even TCU.  But nothing dampened my spirit. 

This transfer has challenged my faith more than anything.

Markus not passing to Sam on that last possession vs. Seton Hall may have broken me more than it broke the Hausers.  I find no joy in Marquette hoops now.   I have my season tix, I still read scoop, but something is different. 

Hopefully next year will be better, we’ll see.

This is some gold.

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/0d58d3e420a82f5e4607e7690809eec9/tumblr_n9p5g4lEIg1tex6lzo2_400.gifv)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Lens on December 22, 2019, 07:19:25 AM
This is some gold.

Gold was a low point, too.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on December 22, 2019, 07:27:39 AM
Having faith in a sport played by young men at a school you attended decades ago is not a great idea to begin with.  Choosing the side of those who left and allowing their departure to affect your attitude going forward toward the team who stayed is a worse idea.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 🏀 on December 22, 2019, 07:35:27 AM
Gold was a low point, too.

For you. Clearly not the Marquette Men’s Basketball team.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Lens on December 22, 2019, 07:37:31 AM
Having faith in a sport played by young men at a school you attended decades ago is not a great idea to begin with.  Choosing the side of those who left and allowing their departure to affect your attitude going forward toward the team who stayed is a worse idea.

I’m not choosing the side of those who left.  I could care less how MSU & UVA perform. I’m merely stating that interest & care in MU has severely dampened.  Maybe it’s the Brewers & Bucks being really good, maybe it’s age, maybe it’s watching my kids compete, who knows.  In any case, the Hausers leaving feels like the final straw.  I don’t trust who is in charge and I have little faith it’ll get better. I hope I’m wrong bc for 30 years, this was my thing.  It’s given me incredible joy and amazing memories. Not to mention some heartbreak. I’ve seen it all. My god, I endured Tom Crean. I always thought if I could survive him, I could survive anything.  🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on December 22, 2019, 07:42:11 AM
I was there for the last two years of Majerus and the first two years of Dukiet.  I love MU basketball, but I learned early that it is just another construct that will have highs and lows and warts and imperfections with only incredibly rare payoffs.   So, Hausers?   Just a plot twist in a never ending saga.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 22, 2019, 07:47:25 AM
For the past 30+ years I have seen it all.  Losses to Dayton, SLU, heck even TCU.  But nothing dampened my spirit. 

This transfer has challenged my faith more than anything.

Markus not passing to Sam on that last possession vs. Seton Hall may have broken me more than it broke the Hausers.  I find no joy in Marquette hoops now.   I have my season tix, I still read scoop, but something is different. 

Hopefully next year will be better, we’ll see.

Honestly I hope You can pull yourself through to feeling better. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 22, 2019, 07:48:02 AM
For the past 30+ years I have seen it all.  Losses to Dayton, SLU, heck even TCU.  But nothing dampened my spirit. 

This transfer has challenged my faith more than anything.

Markus not passing to Sam on that last possession vs. Seton Hall may have broken me more than it broke the Hausers.  I find no joy in Marquette hoops now.   I have my season tix, I still read scoop, but something is different. 

Hopefully next year will be better, we’ll see.

EMHO?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 🏀 on December 22, 2019, 07:48:59 AM
Honestly I hope You can pull yourself through to feeling better. 

This. Happy holidays, thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 07:56:22 AM
EMHO?

Sportin woody, eh
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: lawdog77 on December 22, 2019, 07:57:42 AM
I’m not choosing the side of those who left.  I could care less how MSU & UVA perform. I’m merely stating that interest & care in MU has severely dampened.  Maybe it’s the Brewers & Bucks being really good, maybe it’s age, maybe it’s watching my kids compete, who knows.  In any case, the Hausers leaving feels like the final straw.  I don’t trust who is in charge and I have little faith it’ll get better. I hope I’m wrong bc for 30 years, this was my thing.  It’s given me incredible joy and amazing memories. Not to mention some heartbreak. I’ve seen it all. My god, I endured Tom Crean. I always thought if I could survive him, I could survive anything.  🤷🏻‍♂️
We are here to talk you off the proverbial ledge. This years team plays great defense, has better ball movement, and has a guy who can get a bucket if need be. Stick around, this year's team may surprise you.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Lens on December 22, 2019, 07:58:17 AM
Sportin woody, eh

Leave Jayce Johnson out of this
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Jay Bee on December 22, 2019, 07:59:42 AM
I could care less how MSU & UVA perform.

That’s not saying much. Now, if you COULDN’T care less, that would be interesting.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: dgies9156 on December 22, 2019, 08:02:40 AM
To date, the only real impact from the defection of the Brothers Hauser has been the lack of national media attention on our program.

Godforsaken Dayton is ranked 13th and we barely get any votes? That's the impact of the Hauser defection. I doubt had we had the Brothers Hauser, we would have defeated Maryland and Wisconsin played extraordinarily well the day we met them at the Kohlhole.

Had they stayed, Markus would have had days where he scored 40+ points, like he does now. We also seem to be a better defensive team and so far, Sacar has picked up where the Big Hauser left off.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Lens on December 22, 2019, 08:05:17 AM
That’s not saying much. Now, if you COULDN’T care less, that would be interesting.

🤦🏻‍♂️ I need a refund on that MU COMM degree.  It didn’t work. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 22, 2019, 08:20:36 AM
For the past 30+ years I have seen it all.  Losses to Dayton, SLU, heck even TCU.  But nothing dampened my spirit. 

This transfer has challenged my faith more than anything.

Markus not passing to Sam on that last possession vs. Seton Hall may have broken me more than it broke the Hausers.  I find no joy in Marquette hoops now.   I have my season tix, I still read scoop, but something is different. 

Hopefully next year will be better, we’ll see.

Wait, this is actually real?  Wow.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Johnny B on December 22, 2019, 08:26:41 AM
This is just another guy whose an extreme outlier on the fan spectrum. When you're mood seems to be predicated on the success of a college basketball team, you got problems. And who cares about the hausers. This happens to every team at some point. We have a great class coming in next year. Still solid potential this year. How is there not room for optimism. I dont know what kind of expectations you have. Guru wont like me saying this, but this ain't Kansas. We wont be top 10 every year and it's just the reality. We have a good team and the recruiting seems promising so what's with the sob story.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Pakuni on December 22, 2019, 08:34:06 AM
This transfer has challenged my faith more than anything.
Markus not passing to Sam on that last possession vs. Seton Hall may have broken me more than it broke the Hausers. 

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fn--crhn-jM/WKiSWcd2TJI/AAAAAAAASfk/JhedD26tX9UWoK5do-LPAwPD6RqW1b4dwCLcB/s1600/14---Jimmy%2BButler%2Bon%2Bbench%2Breaction%2BWade%2Bcut%2Bout.gif)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: IrwinFletcher on December 22, 2019, 08:47:22 AM
To date, the only real impact from the defection of the Brothers Hauser has been the lack of national media attention on our program.

Godforsaken Dayton is ranked 13th and we barely get any votes? That's the impact of the Hauser defection. I doubt had we had the Brothers Hauser, we would have defeated Maryland and Wisconsin played extraordinarily well the day we met them at the Kohlhole.

Had they stayed, Markus would have had days where he scored 40+ points, like he does now. We also seem to be a better defensive team and so far, Sacar has picked up where the Big Hauser left off.

And the lack of attention has greatly hampered our recruiting so far.

Oh, wait...
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 22, 2019, 08:50:28 AM
(https://www.tripsavvy.com/thmb/PMNTEOQ0Iz1jZ0cRdsjx0wDFjzY=/960x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/GettyImages-487407980-5b0a1b238023b90036744e7a.jpg)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2019, 08:52:56 AM
Thrilled to have Markus, and his many teammates who decided to stay after the Hausers quit on the program.

I root for the Warriors, and I don't give a hoot about those who decided Marquette wasn't for them.

My main concerns about the Hausershima fallout have been proven to be overly doom-and-gloomish. I'm enjoying this team.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 22, 2019, 08:58:01 AM
Thrilled to have Markus, and his many teammates who decided to stay after the Hausers quit on the program.

I root for the Warriors, and I don't give a hoot about those who decided Marquette wasn't for them.

My main concerns about the Hausershima fallout have been proven to be overly doom-and-gloomish. I'm enjoying this team.

Yep, much to enjoy. To tweak Vince L "Run to Sunshine"
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 22, 2019, 09:41:10 AM
For the past 30+ years I have seen it all.  Losses to Dayton, SLU, heck even TCU.  But nothing dampened my spirit. 

This transfer has challenged my faith more than anything.

Markus not passing to Sam on that last possession vs. Seton Hall may have broken me more than it broke the Hausers.  I find no joy in Marquette hoops now.   I have my season tix, I still read scoop, but something is different. 

Hopefully next year will be better, we’ll see.

Next year?  Lens, this could end up being the best year in a long time.   Hang in there.  I get what you are saying about the leadership of the program (and you may never get over that part) but these players are fun to watch.   If we do well enough in conference for an NCAA bid I think we will be battle tested and good enough to get a couple wins March.  This is going to be a fun and sometimes agonizing next two months. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Lens on December 22, 2019, 10:06:28 AM
Next year?  Lens, this could end up being the best year in a long time.   Hang in there.  I get what you are saying about the leadership of the program (and you may never get over that part) but these players are fun to watch.   If we do well enough in conference for an NCAA bid I think we will be battle tested and good enough to get a couple wins March.  This is going to be a fun and sometimes agonizing next two months.

Good stuff.

Look I really like this team.  It’s Buzz-esque.  I’m just beaten down after not winning a meaningful game game in March for 6 years.  I do question we have the leadership to change that.  Hopefully I’m wrong. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 10:15:01 AM
Good stuff.

Look I really like this team.  It’s Buzz-esque.  I’m just beaten down after not winning a meaningful game game in March for 6 years.  I do question we have the leadership to change that.  Hopefully I’m wrong.

It’s Wojo-esque without the Buzz nonsense.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Lens on December 22, 2019, 10:30:24 AM
It’s Wojo-esque without the Buzz nonsense.

LOL!  Kings stay King 👑
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 22, 2019, 10:35:31 AM
It’s Wojo-esque without the Buzz nonsense.

Hmm.  So you don't think this team will win in the NCAA's?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 10:52:28 AM
Hmm.  So you don't think this team will win in the NCAA's?

Crap shoot.  I’ll wait to see who we play, where and when.  Last year we matched up better if we were an 8, 9 or 10 considering some opponents.  All about the matchups.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 22, 2019, 11:10:55 AM
For the past 30+ years I have seen it all.  Losses to Dayton, SLU, heck even TCU.  But nothing dampened my spirit. 

This transfer has challenged my faith more than anything.

Markus not passing to Sam on that last possession vs. Seton Hall may have broken me more than it broke the Hausers.  I find no joy in Marquette hoops now.   I have my season tix, I still read scoop, but something is different. 

Hopefully next year will be better, we’ll see.

I think we've hit peak nonsense in this thread about here. Kids are gonna transfer. It sucks. Move on. Team is really fun to watch.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 11:22:44 AM
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Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 22, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
Crap shoot.  I’ll wait to see who we play, where and when.  Last year we matched up better if we were an 8, 9 or 10 considering some opponents.  All about the matchups.

The way we played last year the only seed we would have "matched up" well against was a 16. Maybe.

Our seed and opponent weren't the problem. Our abysmal gameplan/play were. You're the master at denigrating the accomplishments of people you don't like and making excuses for those you do.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: wadesworld on December 22, 2019, 11:35:22 AM
The way we played last year the only seed we would have "matched up" well against was a 16. Maybe.

Our seed and opponent weren't the problem. Our abysmal gameplan/play were. You're the master at denigrating the accomplishments of people you don't like and making excuses for those you do.

Probably should’ve ran the offense through Chartouney, Theo, Ed, and Jamal more.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Nukem2 on December 22, 2019, 11:46:01 AM
The way we played last year the only seed we would have "matched up" well against was a 16. Maybe.

Our seed and opponent weren't the problem. Our abysmal gameplan/play were. You're the master at denigrating the accomplishments of people you don't like and making excuses for those you do.
Actually, Chicos was much on target.  In tournament one and done play, matchups really are important.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: CountryRoads on December 22, 2019, 11:51:51 AM
Actually, Chicos was much on target.  In tournament one and done play, matchups really are important.

Hopefully someday under Wojo, MU will be one of those “tough matchups” for another team. Seems like it’s been the other way around the last two times.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 22, 2019, 11:53:22 AM
Actually, Chicos was much on target.  In tournament one and done play, matchups really are important.

They are and Murray State was a terrible matchup.  I believe it was Paint Touches who had a piece up highlighting potential bad matchups, specifically listing Murray State.  Florida State was mentioned as well. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 22, 2019, 11:55:21 AM
Hopefully someday under Wojo, MU will be one of those “tough matchups” for another team. Seems like it’s been the other way around the last two times.

South Carolina should have been a good matchup for that particular Marquette team.  The Cocks were one of the worst offensive teams of that year from power conferences.  And given Duke’s bad defense that year, it was feasible for that Marquette team to win a shootout against Duke
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Nukem2 on December 22, 2019, 12:29:09 PM
South Carolina should have been a good matchup for that particular Marquette team.  The Cocks were one of the worst offensive teams of that year from power conferences.  And given Duke’s bad defense that year, it was feasible for that Marquette team to win a shootout against Duke
South Carolina was a horrible matchup as the Cocks physically overpowered MU.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 12:40:42 PM
South Carolina should have been a good matchup for that particular Marquette team.  The Cocks were one of the worst offensive teams of that year from power conferences.  And given Duke’s bad defense that year, it was feasible for that Marquette team to win a shootout against Duke

Maybe, but they managed to crap their way all the way to the Final Four and damn near to the championship.  Most teams were having trouble figuring them out.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 22, 2019, 12:56:28 PM
Maybe, but they managed to crap their way all the way to the Final Four and damn near to the championship.  Most teams were having trouble figuring them out.

An argument can be made they got favorable matchups playing really bad defensive teams the first two rounds
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 02:36:54 PM
An argument can be made they got favorable matchups playing really bad defensive teams the first two rounds

Sure, but against different teams that we handled all year in both those seasons, that could be a different outcome.  Basically proves the point, the matchups absolutely matter.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 22, 2019, 02:37:12 PM
Sure, but against different teams that we handled all year in both those seasons, that could be a different outcome.  Basically proves the point, the matchups absolutely matter.

No argument here
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2019, 04:25:40 PM
It’s Wojo-esque without the Buzz nonsense.

8 NCAA tournament wins = pure nonsense.

Although I'm a Wojo backer, I'm sure glad we haven't had to deal with silly nonsense like deep tourney runs.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 04:49:58 PM
8 NCAA tournament wins = pure nonsense.

Although I'm a Wojo backer, I'm sure glad we haven't had to deal with silly nonsense like deep tourney runs.

I’m not talking about the NCAA wins, I’m talking about the other nonsensical BS going on.


Just win baby, just win.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: We R Final Four on December 22, 2019, 07:09:03 PM
Man, you need new material.
You Just keep repeating your same crap over and over to advance your agenda. Never ends.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: dinger on December 22, 2019, 07:20:23 PM
I hope someday wojo is successful enough that we dont have to keep bashing Buzz in threads about the Hauser brothers, who by the way were still in early high school and junior high during the Buzz years.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 79Warrior on December 22, 2019, 07:31:59 PM
I hope someday wojo is successful enough that we dont have to keep bashing Buzz in threads about the Hauser brothers, who by the way were still in early high school and junior high during the Buzz years.

It’s not we. It’s usually the same unhappy dude.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2019, 09:41:01 PM
I’m not talking about the NCAA wins, I’m talking about the other nonsensical BS going on.


Just win baby, just win.

I'm sure the other shoe is about to drop, as promised.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 10:48:13 PM
I'm sure the other shoe is about to drop, as promised.

Nothing was promised, you keep lying about that....and yet you call others liars....interesting
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 22, 2019, 11:05:06 PM
I'm sure the other shoe is about to drop, as promised.

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Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 23, 2019, 05:53:45 AM
I'm sure the other shoe is about to drop, as promised.



Watt wuz promised wuz da Tommy and Joanie Crean Memorial Soccer Complex. Still waitin' on dat mofo, aina?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on December 23, 2019, 08:42:55 AM
Nothing was promised, you keep lying about that....and yet you call others liars....interesting

I don't call "others" liars. I call you a liar. Because you lie constantly.

Please enlighten us on the other shoe.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: #UnleashSean on December 23, 2019, 09:19:17 AM
82 and Cheeks now letting their hate leak out of MLB threads.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on December 23, 2019, 09:54:54 AM
82 and Cheeks now letting their hate leak out of MLB threads.

I don't hate hoopaloop, I pity da fool.

But your point is well-taken. I'll resist the temptation.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on December 23, 2019, 10:03:17 AM
I don't call "others" liars. I call you a liar. Because you lie constantly.

Please enlighten us on the other shoe.

And I've proven you wrong time and time again.  Look, I get why you do it, same reason you played the race card in the Idaho thread...it's what you do when you cannot win an argument. It's how you act...it's your go to play.  It's sad, but it is what you do.  Now, when you are caught in a lie, you run away from it.

You want the answer on your last statement, I've stated it multiple time and multiple times you have responded to it, so don't pretend like I didn't.  Use search. 
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on December 23, 2019, 10:05:15 AM
82 and Cheeks now letting their hate leak out of MLB threads.

I don't hate MU82, I feel sorry for him...he's one of those guys that when backed into a corner screams racism, screams liar, screams whatever he can deflect.  Just who he is.  He hates opinions, says they are not facts...but his opinions are facts....interesting how that works.

I wish him and all of you a Merry Christmas...especially to MN.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on December 23, 2019, 10:12:40 AM
I don't hate MU82, I feel sorry for him...he's one of those guys that when backed into a corner screams racism, screams liar, screams whatever he can deflect.  Just who he is.  He hates opinions, says they are not facts...but his opinions are facts....interesting how that works.

I wish him and all of you a Merry Christmas...especially to MN.

PM sent.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Johnny B on December 23, 2019, 10:24:47 AM
This Is an utter gong show of a thread.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 23, 2019, 10:36:09 AM
PM sent.

  see, love is in the air
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: real chili 83 on December 23, 2019, 10:42:46 AM
^^^^^  too funny.

I wonder if Lenny is getting jealous     :D

All of you guys should get a room.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 23, 2019, 10:43:07 AM
I hope someday wojo is successful enough that we dont have to keep bashing Buzz in threads about the Hauser brothers, who by the way were still in early high school and junior high during the Buzz years.

You're a wise man dinger. But until the guy who's been permanently banned multiple times (not because of what he says but because he's the one saying it -LOL) is finally given life without probation it will be wash, rinse, repeat ad infinitum, ad nauseam.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Cheeks on December 23, 2019, 10:46:52 AM
  see, love is in the air

It certainly is
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: jesmu84 on December 23, 2019, 11:17:05 AM
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: pbiflyer on December 23, 2019, 01:42:11 PM
This Is an utter gong show of a thread.

Could be said about 85% of the threads here.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: GB Warrior on December 24, 2019, 01:08:16 PM
Joey makes an all-decade list.

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/12/24/college-basketballs-top-50-dunks-of-the-decade/ (https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/12/24/college-basketballs-top-50-dunks-of-the-decade/)

(https://wherever-i-look.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/The-Mandalorian-I-Have-Spoken.gif)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: fjm on March 12, 2023, 05:40:38 PM
🫣

We all know which posters are upset right now that their Hauser may play MU second round.

Not calling people out… but this game should be INNNNNTERESTING
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 12, 2023, 05:51:21 PM
Lotsa assumptions goin' on, hey?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: NCMUFan on March 12, 2023, 06:05:18 PM
Tommy Izzo and MSU being 200 miles closer to Columbus than MU is my concern.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: wadesworld on March 12, 2023, 06:08:57 PM
Tommy Izzo and MSU being 200 miles closer to Columbus than MU is my concern.

If the matchup happens, it’s the same ticket as the Purdue vs. 8/9 ticket. So will Purdue fans cheer for MU or MSU in that game?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 12, 2023, 06:14:18 PM
Purdue fans will split the tickets. Not worried about it like 3 midwestern teams and UCONN in the Garden
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on March 12, 2023, 06:20:29 PM
Script writers went crazy this year
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on March 12, 2023, 06:34:15 PM
nm
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: lawdog77 on March 12, 2023, 06:45:29 PM
I'm betting that USC beats MSU
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on March 12, 2023, 08:01:19 PM
I'm betting that USC beats MSU

I think you're right but I hope you're wrong. I'd much rather get to watch our guys run circles around the MSU statue and his teammates while Izzo pops a few veins in his forehead.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 12, 2023, 08:06:04 PM
I think you're right but I hope you're wrong. I'd much rather get to watch our guys run circles around the MSU statue and his teammates while Izzo pops a few veins in his forehead.

Disagree. Izzo has been in the Big Dance HOW many times? He may be able to get that team to play much better than they have this season. I would be very happy to see us vs. USC.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: DavidBoone2inchesTaller on March 13, 2023, 01:44:33 AM
I'm 'bouts ready to puke that this thread has reemerged. I didn't give two sh*ts then and I don't give to sh*ts now. If we should happen to play Sir Shoots-A-Lot and Spartans, then at that time I will give No Quarter.

We just won the Big East Tournament, the Big East Regular Season, have the Big East player of the year, the National Coach of the Year, numerous other awards, a number 2 seed in the dance, a loaded roster for the future and a post reemerges about Sir Shoots-A-Lot and his older brother Sir Chucks-A-Lot?

WTF??? >:( >:( >:(



Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 13, 2023, 06:22:49 AM
the izzo mystique lives on or is it the izzo/doogie mystique this year?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: jesmu84 on March 13, 2023, 07:35:08 AM
I'm 'bouts ready to puke that this thread has reemerged. I didn't give two sh*ts then and I don't give to sh*ts now. If we should happen to play Sir Shoots-A-Lot and Spartans, then at that time I will give No Quarter.

We just won the Big East Tournament, the Big East Regular Season, have the Big East player of the year, the National Coach of the Year, numerous other awards, a number 2 seed in the dance, a loaded roster for the future and a post reemerges about Sir Shoots-A-Lot and his older brother Sir Chucks-A-Lot?

WTF??? >:( >:( >:(

Source?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: DavidBoone2inchesTaller on March 13, 2023, 07:46:00 AM
Source?

I meant BE Coach of year and national coach of year finalist. Good catch
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: RubyWiscy on March 13, 2023, 08:00:48 AM
Do we now continue to hate Joey or thank him if we play on Sunday? MU would not be where it is today if not for his reported actions a few years ago. A few steps back to make a giant leap forward.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on March 13, 2023, 08:06:08 AM
Do we now continue to hate Joey or thank him if we play on Sunday? MU would not be where it is today if not for his reported actions a few years ago. A few steps back to make a giant leap forward.

I want to see OMax do to him what Ja did to him four years ago. Twice. Does that answer your question?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 13, 2023, 08:08:27 AM
Do we now continue to hate Joey or thank him if we play on Sunday? MU would not be where it is today if not for his reported actions a few years ago. A few steps back to make a giant leap forward.

I think you should write him a thank you letter.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2023, 08:17:48 AM
Do we now continue to hate Joey or thank him if we play on Sunday? MU would not be where it is today if not for his reported actions a few years ago. A few steps back to make a giant leap forward.

Truth.

I want to see OMax do to him what Ja did to him four years ago. Twice. Does that answer your question?

Also truth. Though I was thinking Ross could do one of them.

Izzo has been in the Big Dance HOW many times? He may be able to get that team to play much better than they have this season.

Either Izzo has forgotten how to coach these last 3 seasons or, coincidentally, some guy who became eligible to play for Michigan State in the fall of 2020 has stolen Izzo's juju.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: pbiflyer on March 13, 2023, 08:17:52 AM
By the way, he finally revealed the contents of the letter and it explains why scoopers hate him so much.

https://twitter.com/barstoolmsu/status/1635050220647231488?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2023, 08:26:02 AM
By the way, he finally revealed the contents of the letter and it explains why scoopers hate him so much.

https://twitter.com/barstoolmsu/status/1635050220647231488?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw

That's hilarious. Also helps explain his incredible foot speed.

I love that some Scoopers think it's OK for Marquette fans to "hate" Myles Powell and Brad Davison -- and even Tom Crean -- but not OK to "hate" this guy.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on March 13, 2023, 08:27:40 AM
That's hilarious. Also helps explain his incredible foot speed.

I love that some Scoopers think it's OK for Marquette fans to "hate" Myles Powell and Brad Davison -- and even Tom Crean -- but not OK to "hate" this guy.

Because he plays ball the white....err....right way.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 13, 2023, 08:29:27 AM
Rican 'splained it. Numb nutz wuz axed ta koach hiz teem and ether couldant orr refused. Simple story. Knot hard ta decipher, aina?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 13, 2023, 08:31:27 AM
Because he plays ball the white....err....right way.



C'mon man, last time I looked...Tyler was white. This isn't about race, hey?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 13, 2023, 08:32:44 AM
After BET championship game, ran into a nice knowledgeable Creighton couple at a bar. 10 minutes into our conversation, they ask me, "So what was the story with the Hauser's transferring?"

(https://media.giphy.com/media/z23hGvopHu7w4/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on March 13, 2023, 08:38:15 AM
I live in Spartan territory.   I have gotten that question dozens of times.   And heard their versions of the story, which is even more interesting.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2023, 08:41:00 AM
I live in Spartan territory.   I have gotten that question dozens of times.   And heard their versions of the story, which is even more interesting.

Don't hold out on us, tower ...
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on March 13, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
C'mon man, last time I looked...Tyler was white. This isn't about race, hey?

If you say so.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: tower912 on March 13, 2023, 08:56:27 AM
Don't hold out on us, tower ...
Suffice to say that Joey is not a fan favorite.  And, like with so many things, the stories get better with time.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Lens on March 13, 2023, 09:01:12 AM
Reading this post again assures me that Heisie typed up all his thoughts and then for clicks headlined it as: "Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer"

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: DavidBoone2inchesTaller on March 13, 2023, 11:15:39 AM
Is it possible to request this thread about the "A Lot Brothers" be locked?

No offense, but I did not come out of retirement to spend time chatting/reading about Chucks or Shoots. When they transferred from MU, I was done with both of them.

Now if we play Shoots and MSU in the Second Round... I'm fine chatting/reading about him.

But now?!?!?!?! For the love of Saint Francis... why?!?!





Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on March 13, 2023, 11:17:07 AM
Is it possible to request this thread about the "A Lot Brothers" be locked?

No offense, but I did not come out of retirement to spend time chatting/reading about Chucks or Shoots. When they transferred from MU, I was done with both of them.

Now if we play Shoots and MSU in the Second Round... I'm fine chatting/reading about him.

But now?!?!?!?! For the love of Saint Francis... why?!?!


Then don’t read it.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: nyg on March 13, 2023, 11:25:55 AM
Is it possible to request this thread about the "A Lot Brothers" be locked?

No offense, but I did not come out of retirement to spend time chatting/reading about Chucks or Shoots. When they transferred from MU, I was done with both of them.

Now if we play Shoots and MSU in the Second Round... I'm fine chatting/reading about him.

But now?!?!?!?! For the love of Saint Francis... why?!?!

Whatever you do after coming back, is don't go to the Superbar and read the 63 page Post MU Hauser thread.  You may find some intriguing facts, like Sam played 6 minutes for the Celtics last night and had two points and one rebound.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 13, 2023, 11:30:47 AM
Whatever you do after coming back, is don't go to the Superbar and read the 63 page Post MU Hauser thread.  You may find some intriguing facts, like Sam played 6 minutes for the Celtics last night and had two points and one rebound.
Hermie/Gus/MUFINY has to have something to do to fill his time
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 13, 2023, 11:36:12 AM
I'm 'bouts ready to puke that this thread has reemerged. I didn't give two sh*ts then and I don't give to sh*ts now. If we should happen to play Sir Shoots-A-Lot and Spartans, then at that time I will give No Quarter.

We just won the Big East Tournament, the Big East Regular Season, have the Big East player of the year, the National Coach of the Year, numerous other awards, a number 2 seed in the dance, a loaded roster for the future and a post reemerges about Sir Shoots-A-Lot and his older brother Sir Chucks-A-Lot?

WTF??? >:( >:( >:(
+1,000,000 these people are nuts
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 13, 2023, 11:37:03 AM
Then don’t read it.
The fact it’s bumped is the annoyance in and of itself.

Hope that helped!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: brewcity77 on March 13, 2023, 11:39:30 AM
Source?

1:00 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9hAzCg1r9Q
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on March 13, 2023, 11:41:05 AM
The fact it’s bumped is the annoyance in and of itself.

Hope that helped!

It’s easy to ignore topics. You are choosing not to.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: panda on March 13, 2023, 11:42:20 AM
The fact it’s bumped is the annoyance in and of itself.

Hope that helped!

High volume scoop posters - "Why are we re hashing the Wojo debate for the one millionth time?!"

Also high volume scoop posters - "Did you see Joey's airball at the 16:43 mark in the first half of Michigan State's game against Oakland?!"
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 13, 2023, 11:43:14 AM
Just give me a Chase Ross poster and I’ll be happy.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 13, 2023, 11:45:20 AM
High volume scoop posters - "Why are we re hashing the Wojo debate for the one millionth time?!"

Also high volume scoop posters - "Did you see Joey's airball at the 16:43 mark in the first half of Michigan State's game against Oakland?!"
Nm. Great post.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: panda on March 13, 2023, 11:47:36 AM
Since Wojo has been fired how many dedicated threads have you seen specifically bumped about him. How many threads have reached 60+ pages tracking his every move?

I’ll hang up and listen.

To be fair, we could play MSU in round 2 so it is relevant at this point.

HOWEVA

I always think it's funny the same mopes complaining about Wojo conversation are the first to jump down Joey's throat at the smallest opportunity. Both are such tired topics on the board and up until this point, barely relevant during this awesome season.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 13, 2023, 11:50:06 AM
To be fair, we could play MSU in round 2 so it is relevant at this point.

HOWEVA

I always think it's funny the same mopes complaining about Wojo conversation are the first to jump down Joey's throat at the smallest opportunity. Both are such tired topics on the board and up until this point, barely relevant during this awesome season.
Because it’s the last of the apologist Projos that have somehow convinced themselves that two kids specifically doomed Wojo’s career. If only they weren’t toxic and hadn’t transferred we would have won the Big East Title and BET (wait a second…). Not that he sucked on his own merits.

In their eyes, these posters are only “wrong” because of Sam and Joey so it feels good to relish in their failures as some sick form of revenge.

Can we just hope to beat MSU if we get matched up? Is that not enough?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: jfp61 on March 13, 2023, 11:51:46 AM
Sam was good. I miss Sam.

I do not even think about Joey ever. Dude is an okay college basketball player. He should have played less the one year he was at Marquette, but wojo sucked at coaching so.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: wadesworld on March 13, 2023, 12:05:38 PM
Joey Lovers: WHY CAN'T WE STOP TALKING ABOUT JOEY!?

Also Joey Lovers: I'M GOING TO YELL OVER AND OVER IN THE THREAD I'M CRYING IS SO ACTIVE!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 13, 2023, 12:09:24 PM
MSU twitter: Joey is gonna get revenge on Marquette!

Current Marquette team re: Joey

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/284/781/8e9.gif)
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 13, 2023, 12:28:34 PM
MSU twitter: Joey is gonna get revenge on Marquette!

Current Marquette team re: Joey

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/284/781/8e9.gif)

Ha, this is probably the most accurate representation of it tbh
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Silent Verbal on March 13, 2023, 12:36:32 PM
Because it’s the last of the apologist Projos that have somehow convinced themselves that two kids specifically doomed Wojo’s career. If only they weren’t toxic and hadn’t transferred we would have won the Big East Title and BET (wait a second…). Not that he sucked on his own merits.

In their eyes, these posters are only “wrong” because of Sam and Joey so it feels good to relish in their failures as some sick form of revenge.

Can we just hope to beat MSU if we get matched up? Is that not enough?

This is spot on.  Wojo was garbage all on his own.  Just absolute garbage.  The funny thing is, the kind of team and culture that the Hausers presumably pined for at MU is exactly what we have now, though Joey would be a very poor fit on this team.  It’d be nice to whoop both him and Izzo, who punked us in the tourney back in ‘07 and always seemed to win recruiting battles when we went head-to-head with him over the last ten years.

As others have said, though, there’s no overlap between Joey and the current MU team.  The only people who’ll really care about this are Scoopers and a bland jock who, even when he’s in the studio at ESPN, still gets put on NIT duty instead of making the real tournament.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 13, 2023, 12:51:29 PM
The ironic thing about them leaving is were forever spiteful because they blew up what was supposed to be the crowning year, though that year still would've had a bad x & o coach plus been canceled anyways. I guess you could say if they had just been happy we don't fall to bits in 19 and actually win the BE? That being said if they stay were likely not sitting here at 28-6 regular & tournament be champions + 2 seed right now.

I hated Joey up till this year because he & Sam likely blew up the best year we would've had in my lifetime. This year voids that because it ultimately lead to wojos firing and now I'm as apathetic about them as any other MU transfer.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 13, 2023, 12:54:24 PM
The ironic thing about them leaving is were forever spiteful because they blew up what was supposed to be the crowning year, though that year still would've had a bad x & o coach plus been canceled anyways. I guess you could say if they had just been happy we don't fall to bits in 19 and actually win the BE? That being said if they stay were likely not sitting here at 28-6 regular & tournament be champions + 2 seed right now.

I hated Joey up till this year because he & Sam likely blew up the best year we would've had in my lifetime. This year voids that because it ultimately lead to wojos foreign and now I'm as apathetic about them as any other MU transfer.
Incredible character development. Bravo.

Once you accept that a Wojo team was doomed to accomplish NOTHING whether he had Joey, Sam, or Lebron James, that’s when you can let this pathetic crap go and stop embarrassing yourself.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Holly Ellenson is my Mom on March 13, 2023, 12:56:50 PM
Wait, are we talking about people who didn't love Wojo's system? My brother has something to say about that!
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 13, 2023, 01:02:10 PM
The ironic thing about them leaving is were forever spiteful because they blew up what was supposed to be the crowning year, though that year still would've had a bad x & o coach plus been canceled anyways. I guess you could say if they had just been happy we don't fall to bits in 19 and actually win the BE? That being said if they stay were likely not sitting here at 28-6 regular & tournament be champions + 2 seed right now.

I hated Joey up till this year because he & Sam likely blew up the best year we would've had in my lifetime. This year voids that because it ultimately lead to wojos foreign and now I'm as apathetic about them as any other MU transfer.

Not sure I was ever spiteful, but I sure didn't like the Hausers for what they did to what I thought was a great team foundation to build on for 2020. Turns out I was wrong given who was holding the clipboard and it all would have been moot given the pandemic (deep cut tin foil hat: joey leaving caused covid).

I am with you that I don't really care about 2019 anymore. Joey is just some guy that wouldn't fit here anyways and doesn't share the same values this current team and staff does. We're in a good place now.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 13, 2023, 01:04:38 PM
Wait, are we talking about people who didn't love Wojo's system? My brother has something to say about that!

Funny now it makes sense b/c it didn't make sense posting as "Marquette guy" lol
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Holly Ellenson is my Mom on March 13, 2023, 01:05:06 PM
Funny now it makes sense b/c it didn't make sense posting as "Marquette guy" lol

lol completely forgot I had changed my name....so I changed it back
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: pbiflyer on March 13, 2023, 01:12:13 PM
This is spot on.  Wojo was garbage all on his own.  Just absolute garbage.  The funny thing is, the kind of team and culture that the Hausers presumably pined for at MU is exactly what we have now, though Joey would be a very poor fit on this team.  It’d be nice to whoop both him and Izzo, who punked us in the tourney back in ‘07 and always seemed to win recruiting battles when we went head-to-head with him over the last ten years.

As others have said, though, there’s no overlap between Joey and the current MU team.  The only people who’ll really care about this are Scoopers and a bland jock who, even when he’s in the studio at ESPN, still gets put on NIT duty instead of making the real tournament.

Michael Kennedy disagrees with this assessment.  ;D
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 13, 2023, 01:13:52 PM
Joey is just some guy that wouldn't fit here anyways and doesn't share the same values this current team and staff does. We're in a good place now.
/thread
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: dgies9156 on March 13, 2023, 01:17:04 PM
Alright, I'm going to stick my neck out.

The Hauser boys were right about Wojo. Th offense wasn't working the way it should and our opponents knew it. Hell, Murray State ripped us apart because of  Wojo's offense. I doubt the Hausers said anything about defense, for obvious reasons. It took Marquette a couple of years and $7 million to agree with them.

The Hauser boys were absolutely wrong in the way they went about expressing themselves. Trashing people because you don't agree with them is a terrible way to burn bridges on the way out. Compare them to Wojo when he received his walking papers. Wojo was nothing but class and remains classy.

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 13, 2023, 01:20:38 PM
For $7 million people will say anything, particularly if its stipulated in the buyout, aina?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 13, 2023, 01:22:30 PM
The Hauser boys were right about Wojo.
Where’s the hot take? He was a godawful basketball coach at both X’s and O’s and building a winning culture. They cut bait because they had that option - how do you blame them? We were left bagholding Wojo and no plan B.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2023, 01:31:20 PM
Can we just hope to beat MSU if we get matched up? Is that not enough?

Just focus on Vermont, buddy! Are you trying to make us lose Friday?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 13, 2023, 01:36:06 PM
Just focus on Vermont, buddy! Are you trying to make us lose Friday?
The quote literally says “if we get matched up”.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: panda on March 13, 2023, 01:37:28 PM
To be fair, we could play MSU in round 2 so it is relevant at this point.

HOWEVA

I always think it's funny the same mopes complaining about Wojo conversation are the first to jump down Joey's throat at the smallest opportunity. Both are such tired topics on the board and up until this point, barely relevant during this awesome season.

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Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2023, 01:40:13 PM
The quote literally says “if we get matched up”.

You're not allowed to mention any opponent other than Vermont -- or even think about any opponent other than Vermont.

Or are you breaking your own rule just hours after making it?

Why are you even clicking on any thread other than those directly about the next game on Marquette's schedule?

I cannot believe that somebody who calls himself a Marquette fan is going out of his way to try to make us lose Friday.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 13, 2023, 01:43:13 PM
You're not allowed to mention any opponent other than Vermont -- or even think about any opponent other than Vermont.

Or are you breaking your own rule just hours after making it?

Why are you even clicking on any thread other than those directly about the next game on Marquette's schedule?

I cannot believe that somebody who calls himself a Marquette fan is going out of his way to try to make us lose Friday.
You good man?
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2023, 01:54:19 PM
I'm great, man!

My alma mater's basketball team just won the Big East title and is about to go on a 3-week NCAA tournament run that could include a smash-down of Michigan State (if MSU doesn't choke against USC), my wife and I soon will be celebrating our 40th anniversary, our daughter's family recently moved across the country and are now only 5 minutes away from us, and we're all healthy.

Thanks for asking, my friend, and I hope all is well with you and yours.

We Are Marquette!

Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: MUDPT on March 13, 2023, 02:10:14 PM
Hardcore Purdue fans hate MSU, specifically over the Brandon Dawson recruitment. Not sure how many of those will be in Columbus this weekend though.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: BallBoy on March 13, 2023, 03:14:14 PM
Alright, I'm going to stick my neck out.

The Hauser boys were right about Wojo. Th offense wasn't working the way it should and our opponents knew it. Hell, Murray State ripped us apart because of  Wojo's offense. I doubt the Hausers said anything about defense, for obvious reasons. It took Marquette a couple of years and $7 million to agree with them.

The Hauser boys were absolutely wrong in the way they went about expressing themselves. Trashing people because you don't agree with them is a terrible way to burn bridges on the way out. Compare them to Wojo when he received his walking papers. Wojo was nothing but class and remains classy.

Murray State game was as much about the Hausers as Wojo. No one could keep up with Ja on defense and on offense neither Joey nor Sam were shooting the lights out. Sam had 17 shots. Slow feet and no ups caused Joey to foul out. Wojo couldn’t figure out a way to stop Ja and the Hausers weren’t athletic enough to stop him.  We outshot MS by 18 shot attempts mostly due to offensive rebounds of which the Hausers combined for 1.  Overall MU shot 32% to MS 53%. That is losing on defensive side of the ball and not being able to shoot versus some offensive scheme breaking down. Every other game I think your argument holds.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 13, 2023, 03:51:37 PM
Murray State game was as much about the Hausers as Wojo. No one could keep up with Ja on defense and on offense neither Joey nor Sam were shooting the lights out. Sam had 17 shots. Slow feet and no ups caused Joey to foul out. Wojo couldn’t figure out a way to stop Ja and the Hausers weren’t athletic enough to stop him.  We outshot MS by 18 shot attempts mostly due to offensive rebounds of which the Hausers combined for 1.  Overall MU shot 32% to MS 53%. That is losing on defensive side of the ball and not being able to shoot versus some offensive scheme breaking down. Every other game I think your argument holds.
So we were a poor, flawed team with a poor, flawed coach that got deservedly exposed and two salty players blew it all up in the offseason.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: Silent Verbal on March 13, 2023, 05:15:12 PM
Wojo couldn’t figure out a way to stop Ja and the Hausers weren’t athletic enough to stop him. 

Yep.  I mean, it’s not like Marquette had an entire roster of players who weren’t capable of stopping Ja.  It was all Sam and Joey’s fault.
Title: Re: Outsiders View Of Hausers Transfer
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 15, 2023, 04:49:01 PM
For $7 million people will say anything, particularly if its stipulated in the buyout, aina?

Aaron Rodgers is on Line One...