Author Topic: Way Too Early 2019/20 Pre-Season Predictions (Read 72150 times)

wadesworld · « **Reply #50 on:** April 08, 2019, 02:57:37 PM »

Quote from: jesmu84 on April 08, 2019, 02:41:24 PM

Do you always set your expectations for every program/coach based on pre-preseason opinion polls?

No, he's just always a condescending know it all who hopes he can look back and say "I laughed at people who thought we would be good. Nobody thought we'd be good and nobody has Wojo on their list of candidates." Despite literally everyone thinking Wojo would've been a great hire for VT (maybe Goose thinks VT would've rather had Mike Young over Wojo and Wojo was just never a candidate, not that he had no interest in the job) and everyone thinking MU will be very good with the exception of a few chicken littles on MUScoop.

#firewojo

Its DJOver · « **Reply #51 on:** April 08, 2019, 03:00:35 PM »

Quote from: wadesworld on April 08, 2019, 02:57:37 PM

No, he's just always a condescending know it all who hopes he can look back and say "I laughed at people who thought we would be good. Nobody thought we'd be good and nobody has Wojo on their list of candidates."

It's a fairly well established fact that Goose's expectations have been the same for the last 42 years, and have not been meet for the last 42 years. Championship or bust. Anything less is completely unacceptable.

79Warrior · « **Reply #52 on:** April 08, 2019, 03:02:58 PM »

Quote from: Its DJOver on April 08, 2019, 03:00:35 PM

It's a fairly well established fact that Goose's expectations have been the same for the last 42 years, and have not been meet for the last 42 years. Championship or bust. Anything less is completely unacceptable.

Pretty sure that is an unfair assessment.

drewm88 · « **Reply #53 on:** April 08, 2019, 03:07:17 PM »

NBC is loving on the BE. 5 in the top 20.

Goose · « **Reply #54 on:** April 08, 2019, 03:24:41 PM »

wades

You do not read my posts very carefully, yet feel the need to pop off in regards to my posts. For the last time, I hope Wojo proves all of his backers correct and proves me wrong. Quite amusing that you are calling someone a know it all.

DJO and 79 Warriors

KO way exceeded expectations. Buzz way exceeded expectations. Crean for a season exceeded expectations. Pretty sure there is one FF and one E8 in nearly three decades of MU ball. My expectations is far from winning NC every year. I would say at the point, having a program that can play into second weekend of NCAA is reasonable expectation. Agreed?

GB Warrior · « **Reply #55 on:** April 08, 2019, 03:25:27 PM »

Quote from: drewm88 on April 08, 2019, 03:07:17 PM

NBC is loving on the BE. 5 in the top 20.

I was in a room of MU co-workers and when we saw that come out and saw MU's ranking, we all just collectively groaned.

Its DJOver · « **Reply #56 on:** April 08, 2019, 03:28:45 PM »

A season where we lose to ND by 21 and lose our last game by 33 is exceeding expectations? You're getting soft on me.

Pakuni · « **Reply #57 on:** April 08, 2019, 03:38:36 PM »

College Basketball Talk pus MU at #4.
Fire Wojo, though.

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/04/08/college-basketball-2019-2020-preseason-top-25/

Also, five BE teams in the top 20 (Nova #7, Seton Hall #12, X #19, Creighton #20).
Mid-major, though.

Goose · « **Reply #58 on:** April 08, 2019, 03:39:49 PM »

DJO

The ND loss was not one of MU's better moments and Kansas beat down was tough one. I would have been very excited if Wojo would have had us in S16 (KO) or FF (crean) this season and had similar results.

lawdog77 · « **Reply #59 on:** April 08, 2019, 03:47:06 PM »

Quote from: Jockey on April 08, 2019, 02:43:31 PM

NBC Sports has MU at #4 in their early poll for next year -assuming Howard returns.

no a at 6, sh at 12. #bigeastbacktonormal

Its DJOver · « **Reply #60 on:** April 08, 2019, 03:54:41 PM »

Quote from: Goose on April 08, 2019, 03:39:49 PM

DJO

The ND loss was not one of MU's better moments and Kansas beat down was tough one. I would have been very excited if Wojo would have had us in S16 (KO) or FF (crean) this season and had similar results.

So what you're saying is that we shouldn't pick out a small sample size of games when making decisions about a season, and that looking at the whole picture from November to March is a better indicator? Interesting concept. I agree, although I'm not sure everyone else does.

jesmu84 · « **Reply #61 on:** April 08, 2019, 04:03:56 PM »

Quote from: Goose on April 08, 2019, 02:46:55 PM

jesmu

As a rule, I do not set expectations off of a way too early preseason poll, but making an exception this year. Since there has been a lot of hoopla over next season's team and 2020 recruiting, I am jumping on the bandwagon early. It has been since Buzz's last season that MU has had this type of "preseason" stature and may as well get jacked up over it.

Ok. Fair enough I guess.

It just doesn't seem to jive with your typical approach to evaluation/expectations

Goose · « **Reply #62 on:** April 08, 2019, 04:12:02 PM »

jesmu

My overall set of expectations has remained the same for quite some time. With the importance of the program to the university and the money spent on the program, fielding an NCAA most years is fair expectation. Having a team advance to second weekend and beyond should not be a once in awhile feat. No doubt, things can happen in first weekend to even the best programs. IMO, we have not have met those expectations over past six years for a variety of reasons.

In regards to evaluation, I am quite consistent as well. I try to judge the talent level of the program against teams that play the second weekend in March. Again, I do not believe that the program has fielded teams capable of competing against those teams in past six years.

While I do not believe NCAA is a complete crap shoot, I do understand things happen every year to even the best programs. I would take a program that is expected to perform in March any day of the week.

MU82 · « **Reply #63 on:** April 08, 2019, 04:13:46 PM »

Quote from: Jockey on April 08, 2019, 02:43:31 PM

NBC Sports has MU at #4 in their early poll for next year -assuming Howard returns.

I guess NBC Sports didn't get the memo that we're better without Markus. And I guess they and all the other way-too-early pollsters didn't get the memo that Wojo is a horrible coach who should have been fired after losing in the NCAA tournament (and then who would never have been hired by any other school, not even as janitor).

As wonderful as preseason polls are, polls taken before the previous season ends are even wonderfullerer!

Lennys Tap · « **Reply #64 on:** April 08, 2019, 06:08:09 PM »

Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2019, 04:13:46 PM

I guess NBC Sports didn't get the memo that we're better without Markus.

They just released another poll! WITHOUT Markus we're #1!!!!

Seriously, this is fun stuff, but if 5 BEast teams end up in the top 20 next year I'll eat your NY Times.

MU82 · « **Reply #65 on:** April 08, 2019, 06:14:48 PM »

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 08, 2019, 06:08:09 PM

They just released another poll! WITHOUT Markus we're #1!!!!

Seriously, this is fun stuff, but if 5 BEast teams end up in the top 20 next year I'll eat your NY Times.

We can share a table. I'll bring the beer.

Cheeks · « **Reply #66 on:** April 08, 2019, 07:27:01 PM »

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 08, 2019, 06:08:09 PM

They just released another poll! WITHOUT Markus we're #1!!!!

Seriously, this is fun stuff, but if 5 BEast teams end up in the top 20 next year I'll eat your NY Times.

I heard there might be leftovers

jesmu84 · « **Reply #67 on:** April 08, 2019, 08:14:48 PM »

Quote from: Goose on April 08, 2019, 04:12:02 PM

jesmu

My overall set of expectations has remained the same for quite some time. With the importance of the program to the university and the money spent on the program, fielding an NCAA most years is fair expectation. Having a team advance to second weekend and beyond should not be a once in awhile feat. No doubt, things can happen in first weekend to even the best programs. IMO, we have not have met those expectations over past six years for a variety of reasons.

In regards to evaluation, I am quite consistent as well. I try to judge the talent level of the program against teams that play the second weekend in March. Again, I do not believe that the program has fielded teams capable of competing against those teams in past six years.

While I do not believe NCAA is a complete crap shoot, I do understand things happen every year to even the best programs. I would take a program that is expected to perform in March any day of the week.

I can get on board with this

shoothoops · « **Reply #68 on:** April 08, 2019, 09:17:12 PM »

Lunardi released his first pre-season bracketology for next season. He has Marquette as a 3 seed.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology/_/iteration/282

Benny B · « **Reply #69 on:** April 08, 2019, 09:19:55 PM »

If Willard turned down Va Tech, how would one reconcile the prospect of Wojo jumping over there? Granted, it’s a larger metro, but does anyone actually believe Seton Hall is less of a stepping stone than MU?

genious expert · « **Reply #70 on:** April 08, 2019, 09:30:09 PM »

Quote from: Benny B on April 08, 2019, 09:19:55 PM

If Willard turned down Va Tech, how would one reconcile the prospect of Wojo jumping over there? Granted, it’s a larger metro, but does anyone actually believe Seton Hall is less of a stepping stone than MU?

Wrong thread?

DegenerateDish · « **Reply #71 on:** April 08, 2019, 09:48:14 PM »

Lunardi has MU as a 3 seed in his first 2020 bracket.

wadesworld · « **Reply #72 on:** April 08, 2019, 10:28:38 PM »

This is why the rule that a player on the court has to call a timeout and a coach cannot is so stupid. Player takes his attention away from the play to try to call a timeout while his teammate is throwing him the ball. Let the players play and the coach decide to take a timeout if he wants.

Silkk the Shaka · « **Reply #73 on:** April 08, 2019, 10:53:14 PM »

Quote from: wadesworld on April 08, 2019, 10:28:38 PM

This is why the rule that a player on the court has to call a timeout and a coach cannot is so stupid. Player takes his attention away from the play to try to call a timeout while his teammate is throwing him the ball. Let the players play and the coach decide to take a timeout if he wants.

So the refs should be watching the sidelines in case the coach is trying to call a TO instead of the action on the court?

MU82 · « **Reply #74 on:** April 08, 2019, 10:56:02 PM »

Quote from: shoothoops on April 08, 2019, 09:17:12 PM

Lunardi released his first pre-season bracketology for next season. He has Marquette as a 3 seed.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology/_/iteration/282

Clearly overseeded. I mean, how is an 0-31 team gonna be a #3 seed?!?!?

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