[Paint Touches] Playing Hauser was dumb and dangerous

[SERocks]

http://www.espn.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/9760169/dwyane-wade-miami-heat-regrets-having-meniscus-removed-college

[barfolomew]

http://www.espn.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/9760169/dwyane-wade-miami-heat-regrets-having-meniscus-removed-college

"He's extremely fit, he's had a great camp so far," Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said. "He's trying to win every drill."

Spoelstra throwing shade at Wojo too?!?!

[MU82]

First, the season doesn't start in six months. Practice doesn't even start in six months. The first team practice is seven months away. At earliest, the first game is about eight months away. There's already a 2-3 month cushion built into the rehab process, but you're worried about two weeks being a "100 percent recipe for disaster?"
C'mon. If Sam is still having problems by the time the season rolls around, I would suggest that the issue is far more severe than what two extra weeks of rehab could have addressed.

Ultimately, it comes down to what's more valuable: three real games against real opponents in a March tournament, or two weeks of individual workouts in August.

Maybe Warrior2008 was getting the college basketball season confused with the NFL season.

If so, I could see why he's worried Sam might not be available to cover kickoffs in the Packers' opener.

[WarriorFan]

I think the real question is how competent are MU's medical staff?

If you look at Dwyane Wade's comments and go back further to the Charles Luter knee surgery, they might not have been the best.  As I understood it from an inside source, during the Bill Cords era, the team doctor had little relevant sports medicine experience but was a friend of Bill, and a lot of the surgeries on athletes in minor sports had career ending outcomes just like Charles Luter. 

Let's hope the current medical staff are not "political appointments".

[Nukem2]

I think the real question is how competent are MU's medical staff?

If you look at Dwyane Wade's comments and go back further to the Charles Luter knee surgery, they might not have been the best.  As I understood it from an inside source, during the Bill Cords era, the team doctor had little relevant sports medicine experience but was a friend of Bill, and a lot of the surgeries on athletes in minor sports had career ending outcomes just like Charles Luter. 

Let's hope the current medical staff are not "political appointments".

Nope.  Have solid help inside and out.  Personally, I've had great results with the outside group.

[Pakuni]

I think the real question is how competent are MU's medical staff?

If you look at Dwyane Wade's comments and go back further to the Charles Luter knee surgery, they might not have been the best.  As I understood it from an inside source, during the Bill Cords era, the team doctor had little relevant sports medicine experience but was a friend of Bill, and a lot of the surgeries on athletes in minor sports had career ending outcomes just like Charles Luter. 

Let's hope the current medical staff are not "political appointments".

I doubt the medical staff today is the same medical staff when Charles Luter had surgery 30 years ago.
Though that might explain what happened with Charles .... his surgeon was a 25-year-old med student.

[GGGG]

I think the real question is how competent are MU's medical staff?

If you look at Dwyane Wade's comments and go back further to the Charles Luter knee surgery, they might not have been the best.  As I understood it from an inside source, during the Bill Cords era, the team doctor had little relevant sports medicine experience but was a friend of Bill, and a lot of the surgeries on athletes in minor sports had career ending outcomes just like Charles Luter. 

Let's hope the current medical staff are not "political appointments".

Charles Luter?  That was over 25 years ago.

Here are the two orthopedic surgeons Marquette works with.

This dude is the Bucks' team doctor.

http://www.milwaukeeorthopaedics.com/dr-gordon-joint-disorder-specialist.html

This dude is the chief of sports medicine at Aurora and used to work with the Brewers.

https://www.aurorahealthcare.org/doctors/dr-theodore-h-gertel-md

I think they're fine. 

[Warrior2008]

Math not really a strong suit here? March is the third month of the year. The season starts in November, the eleventh month. That's 8 months. Even if you are counting Marquette Madness, that's 7 months away. I get things could go wrong, but we're hearing 4-5 months. So he's got about 2-3 extra months if something goes wrong.

Perhaps your definition of the season starting is the first game, mine is when practice starts.

Ben Steele wrote two days ago that Hauser was going to have surgery in the coming weeks and guess what, March is almost over.  Assuming that he has surgery on April 1st, six months later is October 1st.  Since you're so smart and you probably know this already, men's team's start practice 42 days before their first game.  So if we open the season on the second Friday in November(the 9th) like he have for awhile now, that means practice starts the end of September.  If all goes well, I'll admit this is a big nothing burger, but the point still remains that two weeks would be beneficial if for whatever reason there is a setback.

On another note, the NCAA moved up the start date for the start of the 2018-19 season from a Friday(9th) to a Tuesday(6th) so technically we might be opening the season even earlier than that Friday. 

[Nukem2]

Charles Luter?  That was over 25 years ago.

Here are the two orthopedic surgeons Marquette works with.

This dude is the Bucks' team doctor.

http://www.milwaukeeorthopaedics.com/dr-gordon-joint-disorder-specialist.html

This dude is the chief of sports medicine at Aurora and used to work with the Brewers.

https://www.aurorahealthcare.org/doctors/dr-theodore-h-gertel-md

I think they're fine.

Yep, Mike Gordon has operated on me twice.  Good doctor.

[barfolomew]

Yep, Mike Gordon has operated on me twice.  Good doctor.

Can't be that good if you needed a second one.

[Nukem2]

Can't be that good if you needed a second one.

Different knees.

[Pakuni]

Perhaps your definition of the season starting is the first game, mine is when practice starts.

Ben Steele wrote two days ago that Hauser was going to have surgery in the coming weeks and guess what, March is almost over.  Assuming that he has surgery on April 1st, six months later is October 1st.  Since you're so smart and you probably know this already, men's team's start practice 42 days before their first game.  So if we open the season on the second Friday in November(the 9th) like he have for awhile now, that means practice starts the end of September.  If all goes well, I'll admit this is a big nothing burger, but the point still remains that two weeks would be beneficial if for whatever reason there is a setback.

On another note, the NCAA moved up the start date for the start of the 2018-19 season from a Friday(9th) to a Tuesday(6th) so technically we might be opening the season even earlier than that Friday.

This is all starting to reek of complaining for the sake of complaining.
There is quite literally a two- to three-month cushion built into the recovery timeframe in the event Sam needs more rehabilitation than what's standard for this kind of procedure. He could need 40 percent more time than expected and still be ready for the season with plenty of time to spare. And you guys are going on and on about a two-week delay that was far more valuable to his development than a little extra workout time in August.
You're being silly.

[MUDPT]

Charles Luter?  That was over 25 years ago.

Here are the two orthopedic surgeons Marquette works with.

This dude is the Bucks' team doctor.

http://www.milwaukeeorthopaedics.com/dr-gordon-joint-disorder-specialist.html

This dude is the chief of sports medicine at Aurora and used to work with the Brewers.

https://www.aurorahealthcare.org/doctors/dr-theodore-h-gertel-md

I think they're fine.

Gordon is an awesome doc. Unfortunately, he's not the bucks team doc anymore. Usually team physicians are whoever pays the most money to the team. It's the main reason, why I would encourage everyone to get independent second opinions.

[GooooMarquette]

My biggest criticism of the OP's post was calling it "dumb and dangerous." Those are some pretty disparaging words when you're talking about a collective decision by the medical staff, coaches, player and family.

Say you disagree with it or that you would have done it differently, but IMHO "dumb and dangerous" are terms best used for incompetence or malice, not simple disagreements.

[MuMark]

Wojo going off on this topic on his show right now.

Let's just say that they were in contact with not only the MU trainers but experts from around the country. Before the season and during the season.......

Said Sam and his family were totally informed and on board with the decisions that were made.

Wojo is understandably  livid about the article that was written.

[GooooMarquette]

Wojo is understandably livid about the article that was written.

Yep. It's one thing to disagree with a decision, but another to call it "dumb and dangerous."

[GGGG]

Yep. It's one thing to disagree with a decision, but another to call it "dumb and dangerous."

As I said, the article itself was more "dumb and dangerous" than playing Sam was.  It was irresponsible.

[Nukem2]

As I said, the article itself was more "dumb and dangerous" than playing Sam was.  It was irresponsible.

Yep.

[MomofMUltiples]

Amazing how everyone with a keyboard and the internet is an expert these days, hey?

[WarhawkWarrior]

Only thread that counts is "recruiting".  Sam will be okay.  He is in the best hands money can buy.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This keeps getting thrown around with zero evidence.

Understood on the rest of your post.

Go read the second post of this thread. I was the first to say that there was no evidence. We in this thread also have no evidence of the opposite.

[naginiF]

Dumbgerous?

Reading this bizarre thread i was wondering when it would reach the possimpible.

In all seriousness I think we're all missing the most important/Scoopiest question.......does 'dumb and dangerous' have the same meme legs as #donedeal? 

[skianth16]

Wojo going off on this topic on his show right now.

Let's just say that they were in contact with not only the MU trainers but experts from around the country. Before the season and during the season.......

Said Sam and his family were totally informed and on board with the decisions that were made.

Wojo is understandably  livid about the article that was written.

Wojo actually knows about the article? And cares? To the point of being livid? Yikes.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Reading this bizarre thread i was wondering when it would reach the possimpible.

In all seriousness I think we're all missing the most important/Scoopiest question.......does 'dumb and dangerous' have the same meme legs as #donedeal?

Solid reference

[GGGG]

Wojo actually knows about the article? And cares? To the point of being livid? Yikes.

Whats so odd about that?  PT is pretty well known.