Froling's role in conference play

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Current value add:

Heldt 2.72
John  0.17
Froling  0.00

Theo and Harry are replacement level players at the moment.  Their negatives balance out the positives (Theo's foul rate, Harry's eFG, TO rate for both).

Matt isn't great but he minimizes negative plays and provides his positives very efficiently.  But when Theo and Harry catchup, they could blow right past Matt.  At least that is my hope.

I feel like Theo is catching up pretty quickly.  Much better foul rate and improved offensive game.  Needs work on his rebounding though, but I love his rim protection.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Heldt just need to be the Ousmane Barro of the Amigos era now.

[Jay Bee]

Harry 2 starting lineup

#Truth

[Jay Bee]

Harry 27 mp. Matt & Theo combined: 11.

#WeDoThis

[skianth16]

Harry 27 mp. Matt & Theo combined: 11.

#WeDoThis

Harry looked good in the first half, but he was a little quiet in the second. Probably partly conditioning and partly backing off due to foul trouble. Now that he's playing a true 5 role, he's really making some nice contributions on offense. I don't think he missed a shot today. And even though he didn't grab many boards, which is odd for him, I think he poked a few out to other guys.

I'm happy with the change in his game, personally. He's good in the paint, and he's playing there a lot more now than he did for the first half of his season. Hopefully he keeps this up and carries his confidence playing down low into next season.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

One thing I've noticed about Harry is he seems indecisive in the post at times.  He'll make a solid move but instead of going up with little hook shot he'll hesitate or look to pass.  He seems comfortable catching the ball and getting in position to score so hoping to see some progress here. 

[forgetful]

One thing I've noticed about Harry is he seems indecisive in the post at times.  He'll make a solid move but instead of going up with little hook shot he'll hesitate or look to pass.  He seems comfortable catching the ball and getting in position to score so hoping to see some progress here.

I think this is a confidence issue.  As he gets used to game speed/situations that indecisiveness will go away.  Pleased with his progress so far and hope it continues. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I think this is a confidence issue.  As he gets used to game speed/situations that indecisiveness will go away.  Pleased with his progress so far and hope it continues.

Definite possibility.  Hopefully he remains in the starting lineup.  Lots of potential. 

[skianth16]

I think this is a confidence issue.  As he gets used to game speed/situations that indecisiveness will go away.  Pleased with his progress so far and hope it continues.

I think it might be the switch from wanting to play on the perimeter to now looking to play more down low. He might be fighting his instincts a little more than usual.

[tower912]

Harry is clearly the most talented offensively.    He did some good things on the offensive end and actually made a couple of nice defensive plays.    Harry haters, your thoughts?

[Lennys Tap]

Harry is clearly the most talented offensively.    He did some good things on the offensive end and actually made a couple of nice defensive plays.    Harry haters, your thoughts?

Not a hater but have been a little perplexed until recently. He's easily our most talented big man.

[IrwinFletcher]

So now we've seen some more of Harry, and we've seen ups and downs from the freshmen and Sacar in conference play. I'm more convinced now than I was before that the addition of Harry isn't going to change this team very much. I know there are still some people that see potential due to his size and "shooting ability" but he's just not turning out to be the player he was touted to be just yet.

I think having Harry in practice will continue to make Theo better, and that will ultimately be his biggest contribution to this team.

Some good analysis after two weeks of play...

[D'Lo Brown]

Harry is clearly the most talented offensively.    He did some good things on the offensive end and actually made a couple of nice defensive plays.    Harry haters, your thoughts?

I think this could be a big turning point for him. From what I remember, his only other good performances were against cupcakes.

I thought he had some nice dishes and focused on making himself available down low. He didn't take any bizarre shots or attempt any 3s. It was a treat to watch him most of the game.

Obviously he can clean up the silly turnovers and not get lost on D, his defensive performance was kind of rough. But I think across the board he impressed me against an incredible team. Good on Wojo for starting him due to his hard work in practice.

[GGGG]

I think Harry benefited from playing against a team that doesn't have a physical presence on the inside.  Playing at that pace helped him.

[tower912]

I think he has finally caught up to game speed and has his legs under him.   A couple of bad passes today.  But he was yelling and talking and working.  Good hands, nice touch.   Don't give up on players so quickly.

[MU82]

Nice to see Froling start and get involved early. He didn't look tentative most of the time, and he moved well to the hoop.

He did no worse defensively than Matt would have, and at least Froling has to be accounted for on offense.

Those who thought Wojo would stay with Heldt out of loyalty or something ... c'mon. He's a coach and he'll do what he thinks gives his team the best chance to win. I mean, just a year ago, he took Luke out of the starting lineup - and I know he liked Luke a lot.

Matt played 8 minutes today; that seems about right for a center of his limited skill-set playing in a power basketball conference.

I'm sure there still will be games in which Matt plays more and plays better, but he is neither our present nor our future at that position. It only makes sense to use the more talented player. We are not the 1970s Warriors, so blessed with talent that Al could afford to "send messages" with starts and playing time.

I think Harry will continue to get better as he plays more and gets involved in a variety of offensive situations.

[Nukem2]

I think Harry benefited from playing against a team that doesn't have a physical presence on the inside.  Playing at that pace helped him.

Hmmm... Spellman...Pachalll......

[GGGG]

Hmmm... Spellman...Pachalll......

Sam was on Paschal all game.  Spellman isn't overly physical.

[Nukem2]

Sam was on Paschal all game.  Spellman isn't overly physical.

Uhh Spellman was not on court quite a bit.  Paschal was the 5...

[MU82]

IMHO, Harry mostly benefited from getting the start, getting good post touches early, getting serious minutes, and getting the ball in scoring position.

I continue to think that Wojo has had a pretty good feel these last 2 seasons for which center should play when. I trust he will keep making good decisions.

[Jay Bee]

Harry starting again. But we knew this would happen.

#WeDoThis

[skianth16]

Harry starting again. But we knew this would happen.

#WeDoThis

Not his best night. Although all of our bigs were pretty awful. This is his second game in a row with just 2 boards. I wonder why he's having trouble. That was the best thing he had going for him early on, but in his 2 games as a starter, his rebounding has been sub-par. Weird.

[Jay Bee]

Not his best night. Although all of our bigs were pretty awful. This is his second game in a row with just 2 boards. I wonder why he's having trouble. That was the best thing he had going for him early on, but in his 2 games as a starter, his rebounding has been sub-par. Weird.

Agreed. He seemed shy right from the get go. Bizarre games from him and Towsey tonight imo

[4everwarriors]

Used ta bee I wuz kinda sad ta see a playa leave after fore years. Nowadaze, its good ridants, hey?

[nyg]

Agreed. He seemed shy right from the get go. Bizarre games from him and Towsey tonight imo

If anybody re-watches the game, yeah right, there was a loose ball under the defensive basket and Harry just dropped it.  Sam was next to him and you could read his lips and hand gesture saying "grab the f*ckin ball"