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How many years do you think Henry Ellenson will play at Marquette?

One and done
63 (27.5%)
Two and through
142 (62%)
Three or more
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Voting closed: November 10, 2015, 01:15:08 PM

Author Topic: Ellenson: One and Done or not?  (Read 114254 times)

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #225 on: November 19, 2015, 09:51:52 AM »
I think the game against LSU will give a good indication of how good Ellenson is. I think the LSU freshmen is projected to be the top pick in the draft and they have another top 10 freshmen. Ellenson could be the third best player on the floor.
I think the game against LSU will give a good indication of how good Ellenson is. I think the LSU freshmen is projected to be the top pick in the draft and they have another top 10 freshmen. Ellenson could be the third best player on the floor.

This is a good point. I Hope Henry sticks with fundamentals and doesn't get caught up in the hype of the comparison.  If Henry does the things he does well consistently in the game his stock could rise.  I would prefer to see a lot of post and mid range play , with less bringing the ball up the floor and outside shots.
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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #226 on: November 19, 2015, 10:13:57 AM »
The few times Henry brought the ball up the floor had nothing to do with anything. He got a rebound, there was no fast break, a guard wasn't immediately open, he's a decent ballhandler (good for a big) and so he brought it into the frontcourt.

I'd rather not see him then immediately chuck one from deep, though, as he did once against IUPUI. Get it across, get it to a guard, start the offense.

But the actual bringing up the ball? Not an issue whatsoever. It's actually nice to have a big who is capable if an opponent puts on an extreme press.
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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #227 on: November 19, 2015, 11:33:58 AM »
I'm getting a Brian Butch vibe on HE, that his ceiling may be lower than we think because of a lack of lateral quickness.  He's a worse athlete than I thought he'd be.

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #228 on: November 19, 2015, 11:40:06 AM »
I'm getting a Brian Butch vibe on HE, that his ceiling may be lower than we think because of a lack of lateral quickness.  He's a worse athlete than I thought he'd be.

Ellenson will get as many points in 5 games as Butch did in his entire 1st two years on the UW campus.

Quite the comparison.

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #229 on: November 19, 2015, 11:54:04 AM »
I'm getting a Brian Butch vibe on HE, that his ceiling may be lower than we think because of a lack of lateral quickness.  He's a worse athlete than I thought he'd be.

Given that Ellenson scored more points in his first college game than Butch had in any game during his first 2 1/2 seasons at Wisconsin, and that Ellenson scored more points in his debut than Butch scored in all but three games of his four-year Bucky career, and that Ellenson had more rebounds in his first college game than Butch did in any game in four years, and that NBA scouts consider Ellenson a likely lottery pick ... well, I don't want to say your post was dopey, but ...
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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #230 on: November 19, 2015, 11:58:24 AM »
I'm getting a Brian Butch vibe on HE, that his ceiling may be lower than we think because of a lack of lateral quickness.  He's a worse athlete than I thought he'd be.


I'm sorry but in two games I can see why Henry is 10x the player Butch was.  Does that mean he doesn't have to work on parts of his game?  Absolutely not. 

And Stone's post made twitter already.

https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/667399495957635072

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #231 on: November 19, 2015, 12:08:39 PM »

I'm sorry but in two games I can see why Henry is 10x the player Butch was.  Does that mean he doesn't have to work on parts of his game?  Absolutely not. 

And Stone's post made twitter already.

https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/667399495957635072

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #232 on: November 19, 2015, 12:22:09 PM »
I'm getting a Brian Butch vibe on HE, that his ceiling may be lower than we think because of a lack of lateral quickness.  He's a worse athlete than I thought he'd be.

Log off. Christ.

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #233 on: November 19, 2015, 12:37:49 PM »
I'm getting a Brian Butch vibe on HE, that his ceiling may be lower than we think because of a lack of lateral quickness.  He's a worse athlete than I thought he'd be.

You just took over the top spot from our buddy Kenosha.

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #234 on: November 19, 2015, 12:58:12 PM »
Given that Ellenson scored more points in his first college game than Butch had in any game during his first 2 1/2 seasons at Wisconsin, and that Ellenson scored more points in his debut than Butch scored in all but three games of his four-year Bucky career, and that Ellenson had more rebounds in his first college game than Butch did in any game in four years, and that NBA scouts consider Ellenson a likely lottery pick ... well, I don't want to say your post was dopey, but ...

Anddddd end of discussion.

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #235 on: November 19, 2015, 01:00:29 PM »
The guy is averaging damn near 20/10 and he's being viewed by some as a disappointment and the next Brian Butch. Pure craziness.

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #236 on: November 19, 2015, 01:02:35 PM »
Implying that Henry is going to be as big a disappointment as Butch is asinine.    Henry is not a finished product.   But, he is better right now than Butch was at any point in his career. 
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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #237 on: November 19, 2015, 01:04:00 PM »
It's actually sad that this isn't the craziest thing stone cold has said on here
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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #238 on: November 19, 2015, 01:41:26 PM »
The guy is averaging damn near 20/10 and he's being viewed by some as a disappointment and the next Brian Butch. Pure craziness.

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #239 on: November 19, 2015, 01:43:13 PM »
HE will be fine.  Nice player.  I'm not convinced yet he will be a lottery pick like some have touted, but who knows.

The fact that he doesn't play for Becky and didn't wear a bra at Beckyville automatically makes him light years ahead of Butch.  I don't think you will see him crying in a locker room like Butch either.

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #240 on: November 19, 2015, 01:47:46 PM »
Butch wasn't even good enough to play his freshman year

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #241 on: November 19, 2015, 02:42:25 PM »
The few times Henry brought the ball up the floor had nothing to do with anything. He got a rebound, there was no fast break, a guard wasn't immediately open, he's a decent ballhandler (good for a big) and so he brought it into the frontcourt.

I'd rather not see him then immediately chuck one from deep, though, as he did once against IUPUI. Get it across, get it to a guard, start the offense.

But the actual bringing up the ball? Not an issue whatsoever. It's actually nice to have a big who is capable if an opponent puts on an extreme press.
Nothing wrong with Bringing it up the court, but I would prefer to see the ball move up the court through passes . Greatest big man ball handler ever was Magic Johnson and he always first looked to move the ball up passing it.

With Henry's height he could make some really nice passes in transition.
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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #242 on: November 19, 2015, 02:53:06 PM »
Yeah, but Danny Manning would lead the break.   So there is precedence for Henry bringing the ball up under the right circumstances. 
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« Reply #243 on: November 19, 2015, 03:01:50 PM »
Yeah, but Danny Manning would lead the break.   So there is precedence for Henry bringing the ball up under the right circumstances.
Yes , I am saying under the right circumstances bring it up. Just prefer to see the ball moving by passing as primary means.
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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #244 on: November 19, 2015, 03:08:04 PM »
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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #245 on: November 19, 2015, 03:14:31 PM »
Current Draft Express has HE going 8th. The same that said Blue would go had he stayed for his senior season. Take it as you will.

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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #247 on: November 19, 2015, 03:31:20 PM »
#3 on Fox Sports mock draft dated today.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/2016-nba-mock-draft-ben-simmons-skal-labissiere-jamal-murray-111915
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Re: Ellenson: One and Done or not?
« Reply #248 on: November 19, 2015, 03:50:24 PM »
#3 on Fox Sports mock draft dated today.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/2016-nba-mock-draft-ben-simmons-skal-labissiere-jamal-murray-111915

I think Simmons, Laissiere and Murray are clearly the top 3, but Henry is as good as anyone else.

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« Reply #249 on: November 19, 2015, 03:54:53 PM »
Typical Fox right-wing nonsense favoring the privileged white man.

It's considered "privileged" to grow up in Wisconsin these days?