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How many years do you think Henry Ellenson will play at Marquette?

One and done
63 (27.5%)
Two and through
142 (62%)
Three or more
24 (10.5%)

Total Members Voted: 229

Voting closed: November 10, 2015, 01:15:08 PM

Herman Cain

Quote from: bilsu on November 19, 2015, 08:42:52 AM
I think the game against LSU will give a good indication of how good Ellenson is. I think the LSU freshmen is projected to be the top pick in the draft and they have another top 10 freshmen. Ellenson could be the third best player on the floor.
Quote from: bilsu on November 19, 2015, 08:42:52 AM
I think the game against LSU will give a good indication of how good Ellenson is. I think the LSU freshmen is projected to be the top pick in the draft and they have another top 10 freshmen. Ellenson could be the third best player on the floor.

This is a good point. I Hope Henry sticks with fundamentals and doesn't get caught up in the hype of the comparison.  If Henry does the things he does well consistently in the game his stock could rise.  I would prefer to see a lot of post and mid range play , with less bringing the ball up the floor and outside shots.
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MU82

The few times Henry brought the ball up the floor had nothing to do with anything. He got a rebound, there was no fast break, a guard wasn't immediately open, he's a decent ballhandler (good for a big) and so he brought it into the frontcourt.

I'd rather not see him then immediately chuck one from deep, though, as he did once against IUPUI. Get it across, get it to a guard, start the offense.

But the actual bringing up the ball? Not an issue whatsoever. It's actually nice to have a big who is capable if an opponent puts on an extreme press.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

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Blackhat

I'm getting a Brian Butch vibe on HE, that his ceiling may be lower than we think because of a lack of lateral quickness.  He's a worse athlete than I thought he'd be.

brandx

Quote from: Stone Cold on November 19, 2015, 11:33:58 AM
I'm getting a Brian Butch vibe on HE, that his ceiling may be lower than we think because of a lack of lateral quickness.  He's a worse athlete than I thought he'd be.

Ellenson will get as many points in 5 games as Butch did in his entire 1st two years on the UW campus.

Quite the comparison.

MU82

Quote from: Stone Cold on November 19, 2015, 11:33:58 AM
I'm getting a Brian Butch vibe on HE, that his ceiling may be lower than we think because of a lack of lateral quickness.  He's a worse athlete than I thought he'd be.

Given that Ellenson scored more points in his first college game than Butch had in any game during his first 2 1/2 seasons at Wisconsin, and that Ellenson scored more points in his debut than Butch scored in all but three games of his four-year Bucky career, and that Ellenson had more rebounds in his first college game than Butch did in any game in four years, and that NBA scouts consider Ellenson a likely lottery pick ... well, I don't want to say your post was dopey, but ...
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GGGG

Quote from: Stone Cold on November 19, 2015, 11:33:58 AM
I'm getting a Brian Butch vibe on HE, that his ceiling may be lower than we think because of a lack of lateral quickness.  He's a worse athlete than I thought he'd be.


I'm sorry but in two games I can see why Henry is 10x the player Butch was.  Does that mean he doesn't have to work on parts of his game?  Absolutely not. 

And Stone's post made twitter already.

https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/667399495957635072

brandx

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 19, 2015, 11:58:24 AM

I'm sorry but in two games I can see why Henry is 10x the player Butch was.  Does that mean he doesn't have to work on parts of his game?  Absolutely not. 

And Stone's post made twitter already.

https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/667399495957635072

Reason #2,017 to avoid Twitter.

Cooby Snacks

Quote from: Stone Cold on November 19, 2015, 11:33:58 AM
I'm getting a Brian Butch vibe on HE, that his ceiling may be lower than we think because of a lack of lateral quickness.  He's a worse athlete than I thought he'd be.

Log off. Christ.

real chili 83

Quote from: Stone Cold on November 19, 2015, 11:33:58 AM
I'm getting a Brian Butch vibe on HE, that his ceiling may be lower than we think because of a lack of lateral quickness.  He's a worse athlete than I thought he'd be.

You just took over the top spot from our buddy Kenosha.

BM1090

Quote from: MU82 on November 19, 2015, 11:54:04 AM
Given that Ellenson scored more points in his first college game than Butch had in any game during his first 2 1/2 seasons at Wisconsin, and that Ellenson scored more points in his debut than Butch scored in all but three games of his four-year Bucky career, and that Ellenson had more rebounds in his first college game than Butch did in any game in four years, and that NBA scouts consider Ellenson a likely lottery pick ... well, I don't want to say your post was dopey, but ...

Anddddd end of discussion.

brewcity77

The guy is averaging damn near 20/10 and he's being viewed by some as a disappointment and the next Brian Butch. Pure craziness.

Never change, MUScoop...

tower912

Implying that Henry is going to be as big a disappointment as Butch is asinine.    Henry is not a finished product.   But, he is better right now than Butch was at any point in his career. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Galway Eagle

It's actually sad that this isn't the craziest thing stone cold has said on here
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: brewcity77 on November 19, 2015, 01:00:29 PM
The guy is averaging damn near 20/10 and he's being viewed by some as a disappointment and the next Brian Butch. Pure craziness.

Never change, MUScoop...

If MUscoop was a person...

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ChicosBailBonds

HE will be fine.  Nice player.  I'm not convinced yet he will be a lottery pick like some have touted, but who knows.

The fact that he doesn't play for Becky and didn't wear a bra at Beckyville automatically makes him light years ahead of Butch.  I don't think you will see him crying in a locker room like Butch either.

Spotcheck Billy

Butch wasn't even good enough to play his freshman year

Herman Cain

Quote from: MU82 on November 19, 2015, 10:13:57 AM
The few times Henry brought the ball up the floor had nothing to do with anything. He got a rebound, there was no fast break, a guard wasn't immediately open, he's a decent ballhandler (good for a big) and so he brought it into the frontcourt.

I'd rather not see him then immediately chuck one from deep, though, as he did once against IUPUI. Get it across, get it to a guard, start the offense.

But the actual bringing up the ball? Not an issue whatsoever. It's actually nice to have a big who is capable if an opponent puts on an extreme press.
Nothing wrong with Bringing it up the court, but I would prefer to see the ball move up the court through passes . Greatest big man ball handler ever was Magic Johnson and he always first looked to move the ball up passing it.

With Henry's height he could make some really nice passes in transition.
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tower912

Yeah, but Danny Manning would lead the break.   So there is precedence for Henry bringing the ball up under the right circumstances. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Herman Cain

Quote from: tower912 on November 19, 2015, 02:53:06 PM
Yeah, but Danny Manning would lead the break.   So there is precedence for Henry bringing the ball up under the right circumstances.
Yes , I am saying under the right circumstances bring it up. Just prefer to see the ball moving by passing as primary means.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 19, 2015, 01:41:26 PM
If MUscoop was a person...



In today's world, don't we need to be a bit more progressive?








jesmu84

Current Draft Express has HE going 8th. The same that said Blue would go had he stayed for his senior season. Take it as you will.


CTWarrior

Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

brandx

Quote from: Atticus on November 19, 2015, 03:28:11 PM
#3 on Fox Sports mock draft dated today.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/2016-nba-mock-draft-ben-simmons-skal-labissiere-jamal-murray-111915

I think Simmons, Laissiere and Murray are clearly the top 3, but Henry is as good as anyone else.

jesmu84

Quote from: CTWarrior on November 19, 2015, 03:31:20 PM
Typical Fox right-wing nonsense favoring the privileged white man.

It's considered "privileged" to grow up in Wisconsin these days?

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