Recruiting as of 5/15/25

[UNC Eagle]

Has anyone heard the latest status of Brendan Bailey? He is a key component or our 2018 recruiting class.

[muguru]

People seem to conveniently forget ,when citing Wojo is a "young unknown" Coach, what was Buzz when he took over?? He was far lessor known then Wojo is/was. Yes, the situations are different compared to what Buzz inherited and what Wojo inherited, but it didn't take Buzz long as a lessor known Coach to have MU on the doorstep of becoming elite. Yes, the methods of recruiting between Buzz/Wojo are different, but the point is, I don't think that one can use Wojo being inexperienced etc etc as an excuse, and that he needs more time. Goose is exactly right, yes, there's been progress, but it's been slow. I mean they have had one tournament berth under Wojo, and it pains me to say it, but they probably aren't going to make it this year either. Now NEXT year should be interesting and a potentially very good year for MU...but what is a "very good year"?? Winning a game in the tourney?? Is that how low we have all set the bar?? The talent is getting better, no question about that, but it's still far from "elite" talent IMO.

Pursuing Grimes is a step in the right direction, no question about it. Wojo definitely "gets it" from that perspective, but the key is landing a Grimes type or two before the program can REALLY ascend itself into the upper tier of CBB again.

[Galway Eagle]

Has anyone heard the latest status of Brendan Bailey? He is a key component or our 2018 recruiting class.

Last Daddy said he was very much still coming.

[muguru]

Goose,
I am in your camp, in that i want MU to be a top 10 national program.  However, i think it is unrealistic to expect anyone, except for about 6 coaches out there , to make MU that top 10 program in just a few years.  I think Wojo is targeting really really good players and has incredibly high expectations for the program. 
Bottom line is its going to take time, to be irrational ala muguru about the timeframe is just a waste of time and takes away from the enjoyment of watching the team and enjoying the ride.

You seem to forget Buzz had them on the doorstep of Elite in no time at all. Different situations, yes..but it CAN be done in a short time frame.

[muguru]

Cal offers Herro today....

https://twitter.com/BLUEChip_Miller/status/925496841059303425

[Galway Eagle]

People seem to conveniently forget ,when citing Wojo is a "young unknown" Coach, what was Buzz when he took over?? He was far lessor known then Wojo is/was. Yes, the situations are different compared to what Buzz inherited and what Wojo inherited, but it didn't take Buzz long as a lessor known Coach to have MU on the doorstep of becoming elite. Yes, the methods of recruiting between Buzz/Wojo are different, but the point is, I don't think that one can use Wojo being inexperienced etc etc as an excuse, and that he needs more time. Goose is exactly right, yes, there's been progress, but it's been slow. I mean they have had one tournament berth under Wojo, and it pains me to say it, but they probably aren't going to make it this year either. Now NEXT year should be interesting and a potentially very good year for MU...but what is a "very good year"?? Winning a game in the tourney?? Is that how low we have all set the bar?? The talent is getting better, no question about that, but it's still far from "elite" talent IMO.

Pursuing Grimes is a step in the right direction, no question about it. Wojo definitely "gets it" from that perspective, but the key is landing a Grimes type or two before the program can REALLY ascend itself into the upper tier of CBB again.

You seem to forget Buzz had them on the doorstep of Elite in no time at all. Different situations, yes..but it CAN be done in a short time frame.

For the record buzz also allowed two girls to be raped, had players assaulting people on the streets and bars plus constant suspensions and two recruiting violations, albeit minor ones. In the 6yrs he was here.

Winning with a team to be proud of is worth a year extra wait

[Loose Cannon]

Cal offers Herro today....

https://twitter.com/BLUEChip_Miller/status/925496841059303425

And there you Go.

[Silkk the Shaka]

You seem to forget Buzz had them on the doorstep of Elite in no time at all. Different situations, yes..but it CAN be done in a short time frame.

Agreed, but Wojo is taking a different, more measured path. More patience, and it looks more like an actual plan. And I loved Buzz! But even Buzz took a dip his last year. Was his model as sustain-able? Or did he get a bit lucky his first few years on guys way outperforming? Not a slight at Buzz, all coaches need some luck. Just saying program building is not always a straight line up in perpetuity.

[UNC Eagle]

You seem to forget Buzz had them on the doorstep of Elite in no time at all. Different situations, yes..but it CAN be done in a short time frame.

I liked Buzz a lot, but I think Buzz hit a ceiling at somewhere around being a top 15 program with our program, in that he was not able to recruit competent big men.  Wojo on the other hand has shown he has the ability to recruit multiple athletic big men.  To consistent compete with the elite programs that is often what makes the difference.  What I really like about Wojo is he loads of Big men and has a bunch of perimeter shooters that really give us an ability to be a fast breaking offensive oriented team.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Golden
Things are definitely better than three years ago and that is a positive. Not so sure this years team is as good as last year though. I think there is a nice core, but lacking the one or two studs to take them to next level. Two years ago everyone thought HC was going to be a star and I said Rony Eford.
Again, I love Wojo swinging for the fences and if he stays that course the future she kid be better.
At this point, I do not see Wojo showing signs of making currrnt players better YOY and that might change. Until then, you need some studs to fill in the holes.

Goose,

You have to at least be entertained with what Wojo has built, no? We all want to be back where Buzz had us 10-12, but thing is, we're not that far. Wojo has consistently recruited well and the program is clearly trending back up. No doubt 13-15 was brutal. But the class this year is a great group of guys that are going to be the glue to the next 4 seasons. Add Joey next year. Morrow. Junior year Froling. Add that to Sam, Markus and other intriguing guys. Super exciting. I love the Howard / Rowsey duo his year and they're gonna fill it up, but D is going to be measurably better in 18-19. We'll have front court depth. I don't see many weaknesses.

No doubt Grimes would be the cherry on top. It's fun to think of how good that team could with him. But I really like the group we have and I'm definitely going to enjoy the ride regardless. Wojo and Stan can land those guys, and they had every right to go all out for this one. Tea leaves haven't been ideal, but this ballgame ain't ova yet.

[warriorchick]

Cal offers Herro today....

https://twitter.com/BLUEChip_Miller/status/925496841059303425

Your post is a little misleading...I though you were saying that the University of California gave him an offer.

[blikemike2]

You seem to forget Buzz had them on the doorstep of Elite in no time at all. Different situations, yes..but it CAN be done in a short time frame.

Stop worrying about being elite, let's see what team Wojo/Johnson do in 19 and 20

Wojo inherited a complete renovation, Buzz stopped recruiting, was on the outs with the MU hierarchy etc...

We beat the #1 team in the country last year, have we ever done that in the regular season? And we made the tourney and ran into a Final Four team we had to play in their home state

This is a message board but please give this elite crap a rest were not even close to that status, YET

[blikemike2]

And there you Go.

Why wouldn't Herro immediately say where do I sign??

[Silkk the Shaka]

Why wouldn't Herro immediately say where do I sign??

Cuz he clearly wants in at MU (or his dad does anyway)

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Cuz he clearly wants in at MU (or his dad does anyway)

You really think Cheesy is his dad? Gotta remember one of Chesseys original posts was a jab at Tyler. I suppose it could have been part of his plan, but seems elaborate.

[Silkk the Shaka]

You really think Cheesy is his dad? Gotta remember one of Chesseys original posts was a jab at Tyler. I suppose it could have been part of his plan, but seems elaborate.

#plausibledeniability

[MuMark]

Buzz didn't have us on the cusp.of Elite.

Elite is multiple national championships and lots of final 4s......Buzz had us going to,the tournament 5 of 6?years and Winning games.....sweet 16, sweet 16 elite 8 is a great run but far from what the elites do.


Enjoy the friggin season and forget about trying to label the program. We are going in the right direction and have lots of players who are fun to watch and root for. It takes decades to get there and hardly anyone breaks into the club. Wisconsin had been to 19 straight tournaments....made back to back final 4s.....nobody thinks they are elite except for a few of their crazy posters.

[Goose]

Jamil
I am not jumping off a bridge or doing cartwheels at where the program is. I have different view of how to build a program than most on here and what I think success looks like. That said, I very much like Wojo recruiting guys like Grimes. He might never land a top ten guy but I like that he is chasing them.
I truly believe that Wojo knows he needs to land guys like Grimes to have higher level of success. Talent wins and he is trying to raise the talent bar and has made some progress. IMO he could be a Grimes like player to take next step. If not, might be more of the same as last year.

[NBBomber]

There seems to be much certainty of Grimes to Kansas, yet no 247 Crystal Ball activity. Odd.

[blikemike2]

There seems to be much certainty of Grimes to Kansas, yet no 247 Crystal Ball activity. Odd.

Isn't he 100% KU on CB?

[muguru]

It's over for Grimes...time to move on unfortunately.

[TinyTimsLittleBrother]

Jamil
I am not jumping off a bridge or doing cartwheels at where the program is. I have different view of how to build a program than most on here and what I think success looks like. That said, I very much like Wojo recruiting guys like Grimes. He might never land a top ten guy but I like that he is chasing them.
I truly believe that Wojo knows he needs to land guys like Grimes to have higher level of success. Talent wins and he is trying to raise the talent bar and has made some progress. IMO he could be a Grimes like player to take next step. If not, might be more of the same as last year.

Try to have more fun in life.

[jesmu84]

Oh I don't dispute this at all, they are on an upward trajectory(I think). And I love the addition of Morrow and said as much at the time. But here's the problem as i see it...the talent still needs to be upgraded to TRULY become an elite program again. Honestly, I don't feel as though programs are considered elite(by most), unless you have sustained runs of Sweet 16's or deeper, are legit national champs in any given year, are ranked in the top 10 consistently etc. Look at Gonzaga, and what they have done..their consistent tourney appearances, sweet 16's, elite 8's, a FF and playing for a National Championship..There is ZERO reason MU can't become a better version of Gonzaga, is there?? I like what Wojo has done recruiting wise so far, but I think even he knows, the program will not truly break through until you start landing guys like Grimes, which then creates a domino effect.

For your statements to be accurate, Gonzaga must be consistently getting recruits the level of Grimes to commit. Are they?

[Goose]

Tiny Tim

That made my day. That is the first for me being me told to have more fun in life. I promise, I'll give a try!!

[TinyTimsLittleBrother]

So much of this is just mental masturbation.  Wojo v. Buzz.  Is MU becoming "elite."

Wojo is the coach.  Not Buzz.  Winning games is what matters.  Yeah talent makes winning games easier, but he's gotten plenty of talent. 

Some people just can't be happy.