Recruiting as of 5/15/25

[Jay Bee]

IIRC Jae measured between 6'4 and 6'5 but has a 6'9 wingspan

That sounds about right. Not sure what forgetful is thinking.

[forgetful]

IIRC Jae measured between 6'4 and 6'5 but has a 6'9 wingspan

I was looking at his height with shoes on accident (6'6"), and a 6'8.5" wingspan. 

Even if we go with 6'5" for height, he's still below average length 3.5" for the NBA.

Much of Crowder's length is also due to a wide frame.  Standing reach is only 8'4".  Vander Blue for instance has only a 6'6" wingspan but an 8'5" reach. 

Often times it is the difference in Frame that is the big issue.  One of the best examples is Wade (strong).

6'4" height:  6'11" wingspan.  7"length.  But most is in his frame, standing reach of 8'6" (similar to Vander).

Makes Wade much stronger (length in frame) and still has the ridiculous length.

[Jay Bee]

Some of these things are more complicated than they seem.  Buzz recruited length (wingspan), our roster right now is build of people with length. Wojo comes from the ACC, where officiating and style of play favors length.  The BEAST favors brute strength. 

The issue with length is that it makes building strength and mass more difficult.  Players with length have to rely on technique (leverage, where they have an advantage).  The guys that we think of as our tough/solid players (aka Crowder, Butler) actually didn't have length.

Crowder only has a +2" length, JFB was +1-2 (wingspan-height).  That is actually very small in basketball terms, where in the NBA the average is +4-6. 

So.. first you're doing a comparison on Buzz & Wojo... stating that Crowder is an example of a guy who didn't have length. Then go onto say the NBA "average" is 4 to 6 inches (historical combine measurements would indicate something short of 4.5").

I was looking at his height with shoes on accident (6'6"), and a 6'8.5" wingspan. 

Even if we go with 6'5" for height, he's still below average length 3.5" for the NBA.

How about we go with his NBA Draft Combine measurements? 6'9.25" less 6'4.75", or a +4.5"... in other words, average or slightly higher than average.

Often times it is the difference in Frame that is the big issue.  One of the best examples is Wade (strong).

6'4" height:  6'11" wingspan.  7"length.  But most is in his frame, standing reach of 8'6" (similar to Vander).

Makes Wade much stronger (length in frame) and still has the ridiculous length.

Well, so much for the Buzz vs. Wojo stuff.. but as for Wojo... you think he's some length guy? He's a traditional guy, which doesn't bode well for your argument.. Henry is about a 4" (nh), which is fairly lengthy for a traditional.. Luke? Matt? Rowsey? Katin? Where's all this crazy length vs. height you speak of??

[forgetful]

So.. first you're doing a comparison on Buzz & Wojo... stating that Crowder is an example of a guy who didn't have length. Then go onto say the NBA "average" is 4 to 6 inches (historical combine measurements would indicate something short of 4.5").

No, I'm commenting on only Buzz, who loved to recruit length.  I also commented on the ACC, which loves to recruit NBA style length.  The BEAST is a different style.  Only reason I mentioned Wojo, was because he's our coach.

The whole point is that someone mentioned that Todd has to do a better job, but that is not the case.  Cohen has unusual length 6.7% of height (puts him at elite status), most of which is in the arms (small frame think Tayshaun Prince).  That means small frame, weaker build, but more leverage.  Todd can't fix that.  It has to focus on technique. 

You are too stuck on me looking at the wrong height (w/shoes), and wanting to argue for the sake of arguing.  Instead of focusing on the point, i.e. body structure and strength.

And the historical average in the NBA, per combine measurements is 4.8".

So lets drop this and focus on recruiting. 

[naginiF]

I agree with this analysis.

now you're just being a parody of yourself

[jsglow]

Okay, I've put in Ike for '17.  I'd appreciate any input, especially on '16 where the only Frosh I think we're truly after is Kalif.  Clean-up help appreciated.

[brewcity77]

Okay, I've put in Ike for '17.  I'd appreciate any input, especially on '16 where the only Frosh I think we're truly after is Kalif.  Clean-up help appreciated.

I would include Eron Gordon for 2016. He recently stated that Marquette, Seton Hall, and Missouri are the ones most interested right now.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2016/04/15/whats-next-eron-gordons-recruitment/83088190/
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Trio-of-schools-involved-with-Eron-Gordon-44825695

I'm not sure why a 6'2" guard is still a priority, but his comments came after Marquette had already secured a commitment from Markus Howard. Younger brother of NBA PG Eric Gordon. Can shoot and dish, but probably more of a 2 than a 1 right now.

[Jay Bee]

I would include Eron Gordon for 2016. He recently stated that Marquette, Seton Hall, and Missouri are the ones most interested right now.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2016/04/15/whats-next-eron-gordons-recruitment/83088190/
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Trio-of-schools-involved-with-Eron-Gordon-44825695

I'm not sure why a 6'2" guard is still a priority, but his comments came after Marquette had already secured a commitment from Markus Howard. Younger brother of NBA PG Eric Gordon. Can shoot and dish, but probably more of a 2 than a 1 right now.

I believe many kids are inclined to add / keep their list as "good" as they can...

If he had said, "MU called after they got Howard and said they still see me as a great fit and want me" that's one thing... but to answer, "oh, the schools recruiting me the hardest? blah, blah, Marquette, blah, blah" is something very different.

Note: I don't know what MU's current thoughts are on Gordon.. just saying I wouldn't take what he said the other day to mean more than it probably does... (e.g., in fairly recent times - the past couple of months, he had heard from MU a lot)

[brewcity77]

I believe many kids are inclined to add / keep their list as "good" as they can...

If he had said, "MU called after they got Howard and said they still see me as a great fit and want me" that's one thing... but to answer, "oh, the schools recruiting me the hardest? blah, blah, Marquette, blah, blah" is something very different.

Note: I don't know what MU's current thoughts are on Gordon.. just saying I wouldn't take what he said the other day to mean more than it probably does... (e.g., in fairly recent times - the past couple of months, he had heard from MU a lot)

That's totally fair, and probably accurate. Just pointing out that there were a few articles out there from 3 days ago, after Howard's commitment, and he's still citing Marquette. No idea how serious we are for him, and personally I don't see the fit at all right now, but based on the most recent stuff published, he could probably be on the list of 2016 targets.

[jsglow]

Thanks guys, I really do appreciate it.  Think I'll keep him off the list.  I'd be really surprised if he had been anything but a back up for Markus.  Frankly, I feel the same way now about Vital but I won't strike him off the list until we hear something.  Anything new on Hicks?

[BossplayaOtto]

now you're just being a parody of yourself

I agree with this analysis.

[WarriorPride68]

Kalif Young starts his first official visit tmr @ Alabama

[JakeBarnes]

Marquette offered 2018 5* pf Simi Shittu in an effort to further destroy the Marquette culture.

[brewcity77]

Marquette offered 2018 5* pf Simi craptu in an effort to further destroy the Marquette culture.

If he ends up here, may need to adjust the swearing filter.

[wadesworld]

Marquette offered 2018 5* pf Simi craptu in an effort to further destroy the Marquette culture.

A pipeline of bigs from Canada on the way, ai'na?

[MU82]

The BEAST is a different style.

What is the current national champion's style?

[MuMark]

Marquette offered 2018 5* pf Simi craptu in an effort to further destroy the Marquette culture.

FWIW MU offered him 2 months ago...https://twitter.com/ShowtimeNation/status/698904207638695936

[jsglow]

We're just going to call him his scoop name for 4 years!

[Loose Cannon]

  Anthony Polite  SG  Boca Raton  interest from MU and VA, Duke, and others.

[Loose Cannon]

Sorry 2017 Recruit.

[barfolomew]

We're just going to call him his scoop name for 4 years!

Let's just hope Wojo doesn't go after this guy or heads on this board will explode.

http://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/ri/providence/paul-cuffee/mayowa-right

EDIT: Damn filter!  Replace "right" at the end of the URL with "a i n a"

[GooooMarquette]

Let's just hope Wojo doesn't go after this guy or heads on this board will explode.

http://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/ri/providence/paul-cuffee/mayowa-right

EDIT: Damn filter!  Replace "right" at the end of the URL with "a i n a"

We'd probably have to call him "He who shall not be named."

[Dawson Rental]

Sorry 2017 Recruit.

They count too.

[Dawson Rental]

Let's just hope Wojo doesn't go after this guy or heads on this board will explode.

http://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/ri/providence/paul-cuffee/mayowa-right

EDIT: Damn filter!  Replace "right" at the end of the URL with "a i n a"

THAT was an awesome find.  Even if being a 6'1" 160 lb PF wasn't limiting enough, he'd soon be disqualified by the NCAA for improper benefits after it was revealed that 4ever gave him anything and everything for free.

[barfolomew]

THAT was an awesome find.  Even if being a 6'1" 160 lb PF wasn't limiting enough, he'd soon be disqualified by the NCAA for improper benefits after it was revealed that 4ever gave him anything and everything for free.

Not just a PF -- also plays some center!
Now that's a switchable.