Recruiting as of 3/15/24

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Fluffy,Hurley has accomplished good things at Buffalo and now ASU is seeing results.He didn't get Head coaching jobs because he was on Coach K tree like the rest of them that have flamed out

Right, but he didn't do it on his own either.  He was hired by his brother.

[MU82]

In 7 seasons as a college head coach, 2 at Buffalo and 5 at ASU, Bobby Hurley has won 1 NCAA tournament game -- last year's play-in game at Dayton. In 6 seasons as a college coach, Wojo has won no NCAA tourney games. (Obviously, there were no tournament games in 2020.)

In 2020, Bracket Matrix had ASU as a 10-seed; MU as a 9-seed. In 2019, ASU was an 11 and had to go to Dayton; MU was a 5. In 2018, ASU was an 11 and had to go to Dayton; MU missed the tourney. In 2017, ASU missed the tourney; MU was a 10 seed.

In 5 seasons as a P6 coach, Hurley is 93-69 overall (.574) and 43-47 in the Pac-12 (.478); in 6 seasons as a P6 coach, Wojo is 115-81 overall (.587) and 51-57 (.472).

In 2017-18 Hurley's team started 12-0 but went 8-12 the rest of the way, had to play in Dayton and lost; in 2018-19 Wojo's team started 23-4 but went 1-6 the rest of the way and got crushed by Murray State in the NCAAs; in 2019-20, ASU lost 3 of its last 4 games and MU lost 6 of its last 7 games.

ASU trended up through Hurley's 4th season but took a step backward last season. Marquette trended up through Wojo's 5th season but took a step backward last season.

The highest ASU has finished in the Pac-12 under Hurley is 2nd place; the highest MU has finished in the Big East under Wojo is 2nd place.

Hurley is 2-4 in Pac-12 Tournament games over 4 years; Wojo is 4-5 in Big East Tournament games over 5 years. (No conf tourney games for either in 2020.)

Hurley's incoming recruiting class is ranked 33rd by 247, Wojo's is ranked 16th; Hurley's is ranked 16th by Rivals, Wojo's is ranked 20th.

I look at all of the above and I see two coaches whose records are strikingly similar -- some decent seasons, some failures, some fast starts, some late collapses, some nice wins, some horrific losses, no NCAA noise made, no conference titles. Their W/L records, both overall and in conference, were almost identical.

I certainly can see how any objective observer might say both have been mediocre; gentler judges might say "decent."

Many Scoopers, however, look at all of the above and conclude that Hurley is "getting it done" while Wojo is an epic failure.

That is what is known as "familiarity bias."

[muguru]

https://stockrisers.com/2020/04/14/five-star-junior-jalen-warley-completes-two-virtual-visits-talks-recruitment/

[Aircraftcarrier]

MU82.Get your head of the clouds man.Hurley coached Buffalo to first place finishes in the two years he was there.What kind of basketball tradition does Buffalo have.Now he is at another non basketball tradition school and trending upward.Wojo is at a rich basketball tradition school,in a great league with a nice budget and plays in one of the best arenas in the Country.What does Wojo have to show for it.O'Neill was much better and MU was in a crappy conference when he came and he still produced.Crean got MU to the Final Four being in Conference USA.Buzz did very well at MU.I can't believe people are still supporting Wojo.

[WarriorPride68]

Bobby Hurley like Wojo dipping his toe in the brothers water. Took on Josh Christopher older brother last year to set himself nicely

[PJDunn]

The Pac-12 is arguably a weaker bball conference than the MAC.  Advantage Wojo. 

[Aircraftcarrier]

The Pac-12 is arguably a weaker bball conference than the MAC.  Advantage Wojo.


Lol.Ball State who came in first on their side of the division lost to Washington by 21 points.Washington finished last in the Pac 12.Check the rankings of the conferences from this past season.Sorry PJDunn not very close

[Viper]

In 7 seasons as a college head coach, 2 at Buffalo and 5 at ASU, Bobby Hurley has won 1 NCAA tournament game -- last year's play-in game at Dayton. In 6 seasons as a college coach, Wojo has won no NCAA tourney games. (Obviously, there were no tournament games in 2020.)

In 2020, Bracket Matrix had ASU as a 10-seed; MU as a 9-seed. In 2019, ASU was an 11 and had to go to Dayton; MU was a 5. In 2018, ASU was an 11 and had to go to Dayton; MU missed the tourney. In 2017, ASU missed the tourney; MU was a 10 seed.

In 5 seasons as a P6 coach, Hurley is 93-69 overall (.574) and 43-47 in the Pac-12 (.478); in 6 seasons as a P6 coach, Wojo is 115-81 overall (.587) and 51-57 (.472).

In 2017-18 Hurley's team started 12-0 but went 8-12 the rest of the way, had to play in Dayton and lost; in 2018-19 Wojo's team started 23-4 but went 1-6 the rest of the way and got crushed by Murray State in the NCAAs; in 2019-20, ASU lost 3 of its last 4 games and MU lost 6 of its last 7 games.

ASU trended up through Hurley's 4th season but took a step backward last season. Marquette trended up through Wojo's 5th season but took a step backward last season.

The highest ASU has finished in the Pac-12 under Hurley is 2nd place; the highest MU has finished in the Big East under Wojo is 2nd place.

Hurley is 2-4 in Pac-12 Tournament games over 4 years; Wojo is 4-5 in Big East Tournament games over 5 years. (No conf tourney games for either in 2020.)

Hurley's incoming recruiting class is ranked 33rd by 247, Wojo's is ranked 16th; Hurley's is ranked 16th by Rivals, Wojo's is ranked 20th.

I look at all of the above and I see two coaches whose records are strikingly similar -- some decent seasons, some failures, some fast starts, some late collapses, some nice wins, some horrific losses, no NCAA noise made, no conference titles. Their W/L records, both overall and in conference, were almost identical.

I certainly can see how any objective observer might say both have been mediocre; gentler judges might say "decent."

Many Scoopers, however, look at all of the above and conclude that Hurley is "getting it done" while Wojo is an epic failure.

That is what is known as "familiarity bias."

R U retired?

[bilsu]

Is that based off Twitter and instagram followings?

I think it is very logical that Mane is not coming to MU. When he talks about committing to MSU without visiting that tells me he is not excited about MU.

[MU82]

MU82.Get your head of the clouds man.

Head in clouds = facts. Got it.

Look, man, I'm no longer in the Projo camp. I simply like seeing honest discourse based on facts and not on familiarity bias and hate.

If you simply refuse to look at what each gentleman has accomplished (or not accomplished) as a P6 coach, you are beyond help.

R U retired?

Yes. And also on a statewide stay-at-home order.

Thanks for asking. I hope you are doing well.

[LloydsLegs]

In 7 seasons as a college head coach, 2 at Buffalo and 5 at ASU, Bobby Hurley has won 1 NCAA tournament game -- last year's play-in game at Dayton. In 6 seasons as a college coach, Wojo has won no NCAA tourney games. (Obviously, there were no tournament games in 2020.)

In 2020, Bracket Matrix had ASU as a 10-seed; MU as a 9-seed. In 2019, ASU was an 11 and had to go to Dayton; MU was a 5. In 2018, ASU was an 11 and had to go to Dayton; MU missed the tourney. In 2017, ASU missed the tourney; MU was a 10 seed.

In 5 seasons as a P6 coach, Hurley is 93-69 overall (.574) and 43-47 in the Pac-12 (.478); in 6 seasons as a P6 coach, Wojo is 115-81 overall (.587) and 51-57 (.472).

In 2017-18 Hurley's team started 12-0 but went 8-12 the rest of the way, had to play in Dayton and lost; in 2018-19 Wojo's team started 23-4 but went 1-6 the rest of the way and got crushed by Murray State in the NCAAs; in 2019-20, ASU lost 3 of its last 4 games and MU lost 6 of its last 7 games.

ASU trended up through Hurley's 4th season but took a step backward last season. Marquette trended up through Wojo's 5th season but took a step backward last season.

The highest ASU has finished in the Pac-12 under Hurley is 2nd place; the highest MU has finished in the Big East under Wojo is 2nd place.

Hurley is 2-4 in Pac-12 Tournament games over 4 years; Wojo is 4-5 in Big East Tournament games over 5 years. (No conf tourney games for either in 2020.)

Hurley's incoming recruiting class is ranked 33rd by 247, Wojo's is ranked 16th; Hurley's is ranked 16th by Rivals, Wojo's is ranked 20th.

I look at all of the above and I see two coaches whose records are strikingly similar -- some decent seasons, some failures, some fast starts, some late collapses, some nice wins, some horrific losses, no NCAA noise made, no conference titles. Their W/L records, both overall and in conference, were almost identical.

I certainly can see how any objective observer might say both have been mediocre; gentler judges might say "decent."

Many Scoopers, however, look at all of the above and conclude that Hurley is "getting it done" while Wojo is an epic failure.

That is what is known as "familiarity bias."

Tour de force

[bilsu]

MU is a complete rebuild. Give Wojo 5 more years.

I will give him the time as long as our three man class stays.

I really fear that when free transfers start after this year we will lose all of them.

[MU82]

I really fear that when free transfers start after this year we will lose all of them.

Every fan of a non-blueblood has the same fear. And fans of blueblood fear that the NBA will start letting HS kids in again, thereby ending their 1-and-Done factories.

We're fans. We do "fear" for a living!

[bilsu]

Every fan of a non-blueblood has the same fear. And fans of blueblood fear that the NBA will start letting HS kids in again, thereby ending their 1-and-Done factories.

We're fans. We do "fear" for a living!

This is a very excellent observation.

[Aircraftcarrier]

MU82.What has Wojo accomplished?Great he has been to the NCAA tourney 3 out of 6 years with no wins.Below .500 record in conference.He is at a basketball rich tradition school with a nice budget,plays in a good league in a nice arena.O'Neiil and Crean  have done remarkable better at MU than Wojo has under more trying conditions such as league affiliation and facilities.MU can do much better.

[Silkk the Shaka]

In 7 seasons as a college head coach, 2 at Buffalo and 5 at ASU, Bobby Hurley has won 1 NCAA tournament game -- last year's play-in game at Dayton. In 6 seasons as a college coach, Wojo has won no NCAA tourney games. (Obviously, there were no tournament games in 2020.)

In 2020, Bracket Matrix had ASU as a 10-seed; MU as a 9-seed. In 2019, ASU was an 11 and had to go to Dayton; MU was a 5. In 2018, ASU was an 11 and had to go to Dayton; MU missed the tourney. In 2017, ASU missed the tourney; MU was a 10 seed.

In 5 seasons as a P6 coach, Hurley is 93-69 overall (.574) and 43-47 in the Pac-12 (.478); in 6 seasons as a P6 coach, Wojo is 115-81 overall (.587) and 51-57 (.472).

In 2017-18 Hurley's team started 12-0 but went 8-12 the rest of the way, had to play in Dayton and lost; in 2018-19 Wojo's team started 23-4 but went 1-6 the rest of the way and got crushed by Murray State in the NCAAs; in 2019-20, ASU lost 3 of its last 4 games and MU lost 6 of its last 7 games.

ASU trended up through Hurley's 4th season but took a step backward last season. Marquette trended up through Wojo's 5th season but took a step backward last season.

The highest ASU has finished in the Pac-12 under Hurley is 2nd place; the highest MU has finished in the Big East under Wojo is 2nd place.

Hurley is 2-4 in Pac-12 Tournament games over 4 years; Wojo is 4-5 in Big East Tournament games over 5 years. (No conf tourney games for either in 2020.)

Hurley's incoming recruiting class is ranked 33rd by 247, Wojo's is ranked 16th; Hurley's is ranked 16th by Rivals, Wojo's is ranked 20th.

I look at all of the above and I see two coaches whose records are strikingly similar -- some decent seasons, some failures, some fast starts, some late collapses, some nice wins, some horrific losses, no NCAA noise made, no conference titles. Their W/L records, both overall and in conference, were almost identical.

I certainly can see how any objective observer might say both have been mediocre; gentler judges might say "decent."

Many Scoopers, however, look at all of the above and conclude that Hurley is "getting it done" while Wojo is an epic failure.

That is what is known as "familiarity bias."

Agreed, they are strikingly similar, not sure how one can conclude Hurley is "getting it done." Well laid out. At this point I would not be satisfied with either one of them.

[WhiteTrash]

I will give him the time as long as our three man class stays.

I really fear that when free transfers start after this year we will lose all of them.

I fear this is the beginning of the end. This next year will be very telling of Wojo.

[JakeBarnes]

Can we move this crap to a thread that isn't the recruiting thread...because this one is about, you know....recruiting

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Can we move this crap to a thread that isn't the recruiting thread...because this one is about, you know....recruiting

Good luck getting the same 10-12 poster circle jerk to avoid having this convo in every.single.fu**ing.thread.

[Uncle Rico]

MU82.Get your head of the clouds man.Hurley coached Buffalo to first place finishes in the two years he was there.What kind of basketball tradition does Buffalo have.Now he is at another non basketball tradition school and trending upward.Wojo is at a rich basketball tradition school,in a great league with a nice budget and plays in one of the best arenas in the Country.What does Wojo have to show for it.O'Neill was much better and MU was in a crappy conference when he came and he still produced.Crean got MU to the Final Four being in Conference USA.Buzz did very well at MU.I can't believe people are still supporting Wojo.

Loyola Marymount has a great fan site. 

[Aircraftcarrier]

Loyola Marymount has a great fan site.


And a damn good coach!!!!!

[Markusquette]

Loyola Marymount has a great fan site.


And a damn good coach!!!!!

One that's great at posting inspirational quotes on twitter.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Good luck getting the same 10-12 poster circle jerk to avoid having this convo in every.single.fu**ing.thread.

Yet it doesn't stop you from complaining about it in every f*cking thread.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Yet it doesn't stop you from complaining about it in every f*cking thread.

And it won't.  Its fu**ing stupid. A lot of people come here in the offseason to talk about the basketball team and recruiting. Not wade through pages and pages of the same tired arguments the good ol' boys can't avoid bringing up in every thread.  It makes this board unbearable.   

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

And it won't.  Its fu**ing stupid. A lot of people come here in the offseason to talk about the basketball team and recruiting. Not wade through pages and pages of the same tired arguments the good ol' boys can't avoid bringing up in every thread.  It makes this board unbearable.   

Fine.  Just don't expect it to change.  And you just add to the problem when you complain.

So...congrats???