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brewcity77

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 14, 2018, 07:26:18 AM
I'm not complaining about Wojo's recruiting - it's bee fine. But I don't understand this kind of blue and gold glasses thinking. You invest months (years?) into recruiting top tier talent but it's no big deal when you don't make their final three? When does it become a big deal? When you miss on second tier prospects? Third? Fourth? Or never, since everyone eventually fills their roster?

I'd much rather have landed one of them. I really wanted Carton. But the most gutting loss in the past year had to be Grimes. We felt legitimately in it until the final week and there was some smoke we were going to win that one. When it all fell apart, that sucked. Both because it felt like we had a legit shot and because the staff went to such lengths only to lose out.

Selfishly, I'd love to be on Watts' list when he releases it tomorrow. I'd love for him to come here. But if we're not going to win the recruitment, being left off ala Carton is better than it being drawn out like Grimes.

We R Final Four

Quote from: willie warrior on July 13, 2018, 08:50:06 PM
I'm guessing we cooled on him, because we all know that Wojo always gets some of his men.
Willie—you need some new material.

tower912

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In honor of Pope Leo XIV,
Matthew 25: 31-46

Also in honor of Pope Leo,  I have no enemies.  I have brothers and sisters I sometimes disagree with.

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tower912

Here is the challenge to landing an elite PG for the 2019 class.    More than NCAA success.       Markus Howard, Greg Elliot, Koby McEwen.    We would all love to have an elite PG for 2019.   Convince one to come in and share time.     Good luck.   
In honor of Pope Leo XIV,
Matthew 25: 31-46

Also in honor of Pope Leo,  I have no enemies.  I have brothers and sisters I sometimes disagree with.

Pakuni

Quote from: jsglow on July 14, 2018, 11:05:50 AM
You guys worry too much.

Amen.
I mean, for all the drama and teeth-gnashing over the vast resources supposedly wasted on the recruitment of Grimes, Wojo and staff were able to pivot just fine and come away with Chartouny and McEwen.
We've seen nothing from this staff to indicate they're clueless when it comes to allocating their recruiting time and resources
So, I don't know, trust the process maybe.


Mr. Sand-Knit

Quote from: BagpipingHurler on July 14, 2018, 06:12:15 AM
Isn't this logic faulty with last years class being pretty unheralded after an NCAA bid and after an NIT bid we got Joey and two of the top availible transfers?
Not if u know how recruiting werks
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

LAZER

Quote from: jsglow on July 14, 2018, 11:05:50 AM
You guys worry too much.
I want to clarify - I'm only disappointed in not getting much traction with Carton and possibly Watts.  Not down on Wojo or the staff's recruiting success or strategy as a whole. I'd be more disappointed if we didn't even recruit elite players.

DCHoopster

Quote from: LAZER on July 14, 2018, 12:56:57 PM
I want to clarify - I'm only disappointed in not getting much traction with Carton and possibly Watts.  Not down on Wojo or the staff's recruiting success or strategy as a whole. I'd be more disappointed if we didn't even recruit elite players.

I expect Watts to have MU as one of his 6 as he is friends with Cain and Elliott, why not get a free trip to visit his friends.  Then it will be up to those 2 to help
MU get him on board.  I do not think any real competitor should be concerned about competition.  If Watt is better than McEven so be it.  But MU needs to recruit
another guard as Chartonney will be gone and Howard will be a senior.

Herman Cain

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 14, 2018, 07:26:18 AM
I'm not complaining about Wojo's recruiting - it's bee fine. But I don't understand this kind of blue and gold glasses thinking. You invest months (years?) into recruiting top tier talent but it's no big deal when you don't make their final three? When does it become a big deal? When you miss on second tier prospects? Third? Fourth? Or never, since everyone eventually fills their roster?
In response to your questions above,  I believe ,for a Big East level school, it becomes a big deal when your missing on second tier prospects. A roster, at a minimum ,  has to be filled with  enough players who can reasonably be expected to be starters on a Big East level team. For example,  the wheels started coming off the wagon for Buzz when he had to fill his recruiting classes with 3rd and fourth tier guys( Jamail Jones , Jamal Ferguson etc). 

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Galway Eagle

Quote from: Herman Cain on July 14, 2018, 02:11:43 PM
In response to your questions above,  I believe ,for a Big East level school, it becomes a big deal when your missing on second tier prospects. A roster, at a minimum ,  has to be filled with  enough players who can reasonably be expected to be starters on a Big East level team. For example,  the wheels started coming off the wagon for Buzz when he had to fill his recruiting classes with 3rd and fourth tier guys( Jamail Jones , Jamal Ferguson etc).

To be fair jamail jones was a top 100 prospect. So was Erik Williams for that matter. Just can't predict how some guys will pan out
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

TheREALwrk


TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: TheREALwrk on July 14, 2018, 02:27:33 PM
ESPN top 25 of 2021 came out...

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2021/order/true

Two Wisconsin kids in the top 3. Are we on any of them?

We have offered #1 Pat Baldwin Jr. I'm not sure if we have contacted #3 Michael Foster since his decommitment from Arizona State a few weeks ago.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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brewcity77

Quote from: BagpipingHurler on July 14, 2018, 02:20:44 PM
To be fair jamail jones was a top 100 prospect. So was Erik Williams for that matter. Just can't predict how some guys will pan out

Jamal Ferguson was too. Not by the time of the final rankings, by then he dropped to borderline 2/3 star area, but early on when we offered, he was highly regarded by some services. At the time of his commitment, ESPN had him #62 in his class. He was still in the Rivals 150 by the time he signed his NLI.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=23573.msg261188#msg261188

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/110911aab.html

brewcity77

Carton committed to Ohio State today. I'm both surprised and disappointed, would've rather seen him at Michigan to help our chances with Watts.

Jay Bee

Quote from: BagpipingHurler on July 14, 2018, 07:29:29 AM
346 schools are going to miss out on each player. I'd say if they missed out on everybody in the top 100-150 they were after they'd be mad but think of it like when you applied for college, did you not have a reach school, couple schools you should get into and a safety? Same in recruiting, you have a reach recruit and just because it's unlikely doesn't mean you don't try.

Only 346??
The portal is NOT closed.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

With California Baptist and North Alabama making the jump were all the way up to 353 now!
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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Stretchdeltsig

Quote from: tower912 on July 14, 2018, 11:10:30 AM
Here is the challenge to landing an elite PG for the 2019 class.    More than NCAA success.       Markus Howard, Greg Elliot, Koby McEwen.    We would all love to have an elite PG for 2019.   Convince one to come in and share time.     Good luck.

Agree 100%. Wojo has recruited his best roster yet. Now, it's time  for Marquette to win big time. 

Galway Eagle

Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on July 14, 2018, 11:37:38 AM
Amen.
I mean, for all the drama and teeth-gnashing over the vast resources supposedly wasted on the recruitment of Grimes, Wojo and staff were able to pivot just fine and come away with Chartouny and McEwen.
We've seen nothing from this staff to indicate they're clueless when it comes to allocating their recruiting time and resources
So, I don't know, trust the process maybe.

Ding ding ding!
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GGGG

Not in the Final 8 for Watts.  Pretty disappointing.  Time for Plan B (C???) 

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: #bansultan on July 15, 2018, 06:18:55 PM
Not in the Final 8 for Watts.  Pretty disappointing.  Time for Plan B (C???)

Definitely disappointing. Mannion the new #1. Don't get him and I think Mr. Bishop will be the pick.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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4everwarriors

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brewcity77

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 15, 2018, 06:47:24 PM
Definitely disappointing. Mannion the new #1. Don't get him and I think Mr. Bishop will be the pick.

Agreed. This feels like one of those Buzz classes where we went big game hunting early, were on a bunch of top-40 guys' lists, and may come up short.

PGsHeroes32

Wow didn't even make the top 8 of this one
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

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