Recruiting as of 4/15/25

[avid1010]

"Loyalty is a two-way street." - Shaka Smart

[burger]

"Loyalty is a two-way street." - Shaka Smart

Sinking with 204

[burger]

Sinking with 20% shooters (at best) at point guard is not loyalty.....It is called idiocy.....

Shaka has a big problem with the non-development of the present sophomore class...

Hopefully the present freshman and incoming freshman can take their place....

Otherwise....Expect at least one year or more of missing the tourney.....

[wadesworld]

Sinking with 20% shooters (at best) at point guard is not loyalty.....It is called idiocy.....

Shaka has a big problem with the non-development of the present sophomore class...

Hopefully the present freshman and incoming freshman can take their place....

Otherwise....Expect at least one year or more of missing the tourney.....

20% shooters at best? I don't think anyone is close to shooting below 20%.

[The Sultan]

20% shooters at best? I don't think anyone is close to shooting below 20%.

burger woke up this morning ready to share a lot of wierd thoughts apparently.

[tower912]

20% shooters at best? I don't think anyone is close to shooting below 20%.

Hamilton is.

[wadesworld]

Hamilton is.

Not that it's good, but he's at nearly double 20%.

[tower912]

Not that it's good, but he's at nearly double 20%.

I assumed the reference was to 3 pt shooting.  Mea culpa.  Hamilton is a 38.6% shooter from 2, o-fer from 3.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

At a minimum, the Wojo-slurping crowd has turned in the the Shaka's approach is infallible crowd. 

No one is saying that Shaka is infallible.

What people are saying is that there isn't any logical reason at this point to change the approach that has led to this success and created the culture the program is built on.

They're saying people who think being in the tourney field comfortably with a 7-8 seed this year is some sort of massive disappointment lack perspective. They're saying people who are expecting disappointing next season are impatient and overreacting.

Of course it's possible that Shaka's approach ends up not being effective in the long-run in the current environment. But those thoughts are not based on logic or reality considering the actual results of the first four seasons.

[willie warrior]

Sinking with 20% shooters (at best) at point guard is not loyalty.....It is called idiocy.....

Shaka has a big problem with the non-development of the present sophomore class...

Hopefully the present freshman and incoming freshman can take their place....

Otherwise....Expect at least one year or more of missing the tourney.....

How dare you criticize Shaka strategy. People will call you a tool, idiot etc. here. But I agree with the analysis.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Sinking with 20% shooters (at best) at point guard is not loyalty.....It is called idiocy.....

Shaka has a big problem with the non-development of the present sophomore class...

Hopefully the present freshman and incoming freshman can take their place....

Otherwise....Expect at least one year or more of missing the tourney.....

The present sophomore class is Zaide, Tre, and Sean.

Zaide appears to be developing nicely and I expect a big leap next season.

Tre has been disappointing so while I haven't given up on him it is difficult to be optimistic.

Sean has a ton of potential but is coming off a major injury so questions are fair. However, if he's healthy I see him being a positive contributor.

I agree that it's not the level of uncertainty you want with a class going into their junior year but I don't see it as any kind of a disaster.

[The Sultan]

How dare you criticize Shaka strategy. People will call you a tool, idiot etc. here. But I agree with the analysis.

Your lack of self-awareness is amazing.

Plenty of people have questioned his strategy. I have said that he should be adding size from the portal this year. But people make fun of you because of your factual errors, your inconsistent arguments, and the fact that you complain all the time - even when things are going well.

[willie warrior]

MU desperately, desperately needs consistent 3 point shooters and underneath bangers. It appears we have none. What to do?

[The Sultan]

No one is saying that Shaka is infallible.

What people are saying is that there isn't any logical reason at this point to change the approach that has led to this success and created the culture the program is built on.

They're saying people who think being in the tourney field comfortably with a 7-8 seed this year is some sort of massive disappointment like perspective. They're saying people who are expecting disappointing next season are impatient and overreacting.

Of course it's possible that Shaka's approach ends up not being effective in the long-run in the current environment. But those thoughts are not based on logic or reality considering the actual results of the first four seasons.

Right. Shaka has proven to be a MUCH better coach than Wojo. Trusting his process, and not abandoning it after a year in which they will still make the NCAA tournament, isn't some sort of strange point of view.

I think they should get size in the portal. Shaka may not feel that way. But until his process is shown not to be successful, then I will trust that he knows best.

[Pakuni]

The present sophomore class is Zaide, Tre, and Sean.

Zaide appears to be developing nicely and I expect a big leap next season.

Tre has been disappointing so while I haven't given up on him it is difficult to be optimistic.

Sean has a ton of potential but is coming off a major injury so questions are fair. However, if he's healthy I see him being a positive contributor.

I agree that it's not the level of uncertainty you want with a class going into their junior year but I don't see it as any kind of a disaster.

Sean's in the same class (2022) as Chase and Ben, redshirt notwithstanding.
The 2023 recruiting class is looking ... rough. Zaide could take a Chase Ross-type leap next year. Tre has shown nothing to indicate he's a high-major player, and lots to show he isn't.
Amadou and Hamilton can be generously graded as incompletes, but getting virtually nothing out of two players after two years in the program isn't ideal.

I'm a big fan of Shaka and what he's done, but excessive rigidity to any principle/philosophy is a mistake. Nick Saban went from among the best to the GOAT because of his willingness to adapt his coaching philosophies as needed. I'm not at all as convinced that Shaka is as inflexible as some here seem to suggest, but if he is, he ought to take a lesson from Saban.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Sean's in the same class (2022) as Chase and Ben, redshirt notwithstanding.
The 2023 recruiting class is looking ... rough. Zaide could take a Chase Ross-type leap next year. Tre has shown nothing to indicate he's a high-major player, and lots to show he isn't.
Amadou and Hamilton can be generously graded as incompletes, but getting virtually nothing out of two players after two years in the program isn't ideal.

I'm a big fan of Shaka and what he's done, but excessive rigidity to any principle/philosophy is a mistake. Nick Saban went from among the best to the GOAT because of his willingness to adapt his coaching philosophies as needed. I'm not at all as convinced that Shaka is as inflexible as some here seem to suggest, but if he is, he ought to take a lesson from Saban.

The redshirts matter. Clearly part of Shaka's strategy.

Sean is now a part of the upcoming junior class. Al and Caedin will be sophomores.

[Nukem2]

The redshirts matter. Clearly part of Shaka's strategy.

Sean is now a part of the upcoming junior class. Al and Caedin will be sophomores.

And Josh a redshirt frosh. We'll see how that all plays out.

[Pakuni]

The redshirts matter. Clearly part of Shaka's strategy.

Sean is now a part of the upcoming junior class. Al and Caedin will be sophomores.

So you think Sean is part of the 2023 recruiting class because he took a redshirt? And Josh Clark is part of the 2025 recruiting class?
Objectively not true, but OK.

[The Sultan]

So you think Sean is part of the 2023 recruiting class because he took a redshirt? And Josh Clark is part of the 2025 recruiting class?
Objectively not true, but OK.

He is not part of that recruting class, but he is clearly in that class now experience-wise due to the redshirt. No need to be overly pedantic about this.

[Pakuni]

He is not part of that recruting class, but he is clearly in that class now experience-wise due to the redshirt. No need to be overly pedantic about this.

Eh ... it's pretty clear Vander is reclassifying Sean to make that class look better than it is. It's OK to acknowledge that the class has been underwhelming.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

So you think Sean is part of the 2023 recruiting class because he took a redshirt? And Josh Clark is part of the 2025 recruiting class?
Objectively not true, but OK.

He effectively is now.

Now, Sean wasn't expected to redshirt prior to his injury.  That was clearly part of the plan with guys like Hamilton and Clark. 

So you think Clark should be considered part of the Owens & Parham clase?  Ok....

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Eh ... it's pretty clear Vander is reclassifying Sean to make that class look better than it is. It's OK to acknowledge that the class has been underwhelming.

No, that has nothing to do with why I did that.  I certainly didn't sugarcoat anything in my post about those 3 guys, either. 

[The Sultan]

Yeah, I think the importance of the recruiting class doesn't matter much when it's distorted through redshirts.

[JakeBarnes]

Any news on JJ or Sheek?

[Pakuni]

So you think Clark should be considered part of the Owens & Parham clase?  Ok....

Yes, obviously. That is his class.
I mean, if you were to go to Rivals or 247 or on3 and check out Marquette's 2025 class, Josh Clark wouldn't be there. He'd be with the 2024 class.
It's a semantical argument, I get that. But I don't agree that a player's recruiting class changes because of a redshirt year. And neither do the scouting services.