Recruiting as of 9/15/24

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Good friends with a family who has a son playing at the mid-low D1 level.  He's a starter...was all conference.  He's not really getting any serious NIL money.  Would he sit on MUs bench for 5, 10, 15 $K+?  Would he have gone to MU if they offered him that amount of money and a chance to develop/compete?  Would MU have wanted him as a possible project...tall kid that was working to develop his shot and ball handling/passing as a freshmen.  I think I could see that situation playing out for some kids.  I can tell you without a doubt, while he has gotten plenty of playing time, he would be a better player had he been at MU and never played a minute.  I'm surprised at the lack of resources for development that he has access to. 

What use is it to be a better player if you don't get to play?

[MU82]

What use is it to be a better player if you don't get to play?

Without speaking for avid ... maybe you become a better player through practice with/against superior players and through high-level intense coaching so that by Year 2-3, you are ready to be good at the high-major level.

Isn't that essentially what Oso did?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Without speaking for avid ... maybe you become a better player through practice with/against superior players and through high-level intense coaching so that by Year 2-3, you are ready to be good at the high-major level.

Isn't that essentially what Oso did?

I interpreted it as never playing his entire time at MU, but if that wasn't what he meant, that makes sense.

[MUfan12]

Interesting 35 min Adrien Stevens interview/pod - https://www.youtube.com/live/fFN7vYhx-Ak

I thought he would be a great Stevie replacement, but my God he actually sounds like him too.

[MUbiz]

I thought he would be a great Stevie replacement, but my God he actually sounds like him too.

He does! He is very well spoken and seems like a great young man. MU would be lucky to get him.

[avid1010]

What use is it to be a better player if you don't get to play?

There are certainly players for MU that have played very few minutes and gotten contracts overseas.  For this specific individual, making a living while playing professionally overseas is the goal.  If he leaves MU with money in his pocket and a contract overseas that pays his bills and allows him to put a little in the bank he's good.  I have no clue what looks better to overseas teams...a kid that hasn't played much at a major school or a kid that played more but at a mid/low major team. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

There are certainly players for MU that have played very few minutes and gotten contracts overseas.  For this specific individual, making a living while playing professionally overseas is the goal.

Maybe I am just not figuring it out, but who?  Even if you were simply being hyperbolic when you said he would "never play a minute," I don't think there have been many low minute players who have had substantial careers overseas.

[Its DJOver]

First player that came to mind for me was Froling.  Looked him up and he bounced around quite a bit but seemed to be pretty successful considering he only averaged 12 mpg on a NIT squad.  Did not realize that his career was ended due to a head injury from an assault.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

A lineup of James to run point guard and then Phillips, Miletic, Owens, and Parham in a couple years could be a lot of athleticism, length, and shooting.

Yes...though I don't think we can guarantee that Owens will still be playing college ball in a couple years.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Cody Hatt today:


https://x.com/CoachCodyHatt/status/1820874427627909212?t=gMSEnVgsX3PgSFPtNK6GQA&s=19

Nice. I'll repeat, here's hoping that Coach Hatt's tweets are as predictive as Shaka's tweets.

[Daniel]

Interesting 35 min Adrien Stevens interview/pod - https://www.youtube.com/live/fFN7vYhx-Ak

This is a great listen.   Adrien is so easy to listen to and he is a thinker… he has a great grasp of what he wants, how to develop himself more, interested 8n developing in and off the court - just a wonderful young man who Marquette would be honored to have.   Thanks for posting this link

[avid1010]

Maybe I am just not figuring it out, but who?  Even if you were simply being hyperbolic when you said he would "never play a minute," I don't think there have been many low minute players who have had substantial careers overseas.

My understanding is most of MUs guys could play overseas if they want.  For fun a googled their 2010 roster...all of the players on that roster played meaningful minutes with the exception of Dave Singleton (if my memory is correct).  Here is what I found on him http://www.thunderbasketball.ca/content/dave-singleton---overtime-grind.  So he played overseas and is using his time with Jimmy and Jae as a selling point for his camps.  That is something the athlete I'm referencing won't have.  He will be able to say he was all-conference in a mid/low major conference.  Heck, I had a friend who was a preferred walk-on at UW-Milwaukee and made $50k a year (in 2005 dollars) playing in Germany.  They gave him room and board, he banked the cash (with tax advantages) and played for 7 years.   

I would argue the kid I'm referencing would be a better player if he had MUs resources and developmental program, he wouldn't miss out on NIL $ (likely would have more), and he is currently good enough to make a living overseas so his value would increase if I'm correct that he would be a better player if he were at MU.  I could be wrong. 

[WhiteTrash]

Plenty of people on this board have made a very good argument that you are better getting NBA practice time than playing time of P5 ball at MU.

[avid1010]

Plenty of people on this board have made a very good argument that you are better getting NBA practice time than playing time of P5 ball at MU.

I think things were going in that direction more and more until NIL...

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Plenty of people on this board have made a very good argument that you are better getting NBA practice time than playing time of P5 ball at MU.

That's not exactly an accurate comparison. At all.

I guess I am just hung up on the "not play a single minute" part of his post. Because getting better at basketball, without playing a single minute, doesn't sound very enticing to me. But I think he was exaggerating for intent and not being as literal as I took it.

[BCHoopster]

Needs a scholarship to even get close to NIL money, Clark got paid nicely for possibly never playing, it’s a risk that coaches can take now, still trying to figure how not one Texas school took a chance on Clark, with 2 extra scholarships they might have, a project that could be special in 3 or 4 years. Great risk for Shaka, much like Hamilton.

[avid1010]

Needs a scholarship to even get close to NIL money

Most of the time...probably...but plenty of NIL deals for walk-ons. 

[avid1010]

That's not exactly an accurate comparison. At all.

I guess I am just hung up on the "not play a single minute" part of his post. Because getting better at basketball, without playing a single minute, doesn't sound very enticing to me. But I think he was exaggerating for intent and not being as literal as I took it.

I have an acquaintance...who went to an awful D1 school on a scholly...hated the lack of resources...walked on at UW-Milwaukee...never played a meaningful minute...inked a living salary, room and board in Germany.  He was happy he spent time at UW-Milwaukee under Pearl. 

[Viper]

What use is it to be a better player if you don't get to play?

100%

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I have an acquaintance...who went to an awful D1 school on a scholly...hated the lack of resources...walked on at UW-Milwaukee...never played a meaningful minute...inked a living salary, room and board in Germany.  He was happy he spent time at UW-Milwaukee under Pearl. 

Alright. I stand corrected.

[BCHoopster]

Most of the time...probably...but plenty of NIL deals for walk-ons.

Maybe football, but doubt hoops, tell me one then?

[avid1010]

Maybe football, but doubt hoops, tell me one then?

I mean Giannis was part of a promo where a few walk-ons got $25k each.  There are walk-ons getting paid by Walk-Ons restaurant chain.  Oklahoma football did a thing for walk-ons.  I would assume there are plenty of walk-ons who have used their position to make a name for themselves as a fan favorite and figured out a way to profit from it. 

All the walk-ons for MU have their own "locker" on the MU NIL site.  I can buy a shirt with Jonah Lucas on the back if I need to be right

[BCHoopster]

Other than his friends and family are buying that t-shirt of Jonah Lucas! Need more, real money not pennys! 

[avid1010]

Other than his friends and family are buying that t-shirt of Jonah Lucas! Need more, real money not pennys!

My understanding was all UK players got a luxury car.  I don't pay it too much attention...

[tower912]

My understanding was all UK players got a luxury car.  I don't pay it too much attention...

As opposed to the Ohio Players, who get
.....Fire.....