Recruiting as of 4/15/25

[brewcity77]

So, if they were really good in high school they got a scholarship to Davidson. And if they were really, really good they got one to Kentucky. AFTER high school. And if they were really good in college, they were paid to play in Europe. And if they were really, really good they were paid more to play in the NBA. AFTER they were finished with their very valuable scholarship. What this has to do with communism escapes me totally.

What it means is there's never equality, so why should we assume that every player on a team will be treated the exact same? That's lunacy. That's not the case in grade school, high school, AAU, college, or the professional ranks, and it's not the case in the classroom or workplace. Different levels of work earn different rewards. Unless we're turning our entire society upside down, it's crazy to think CBB should be the one place exempt from that obvious reality.

[Lennys Tap]

What it means is there's never equality, so why should we assume that every player on a team will be treated the exact same? That's lunacy. That's not the case in grade school, high school, AAU, college, or the professional ranks, and it's not the case in the classroom or workplace. Different levels of work earn different rewards. Unless we're turning our entire society upside down, it's crazy to think CBB should be the one place exempt from that obvious reality.

Yes, they earn different rewards. A good player (in high school) earns playing time. That can be it's own reward or it can lead to a scholarship. Those things are Both worth something. In college a player on scholarship earns playing time which can result in a professional career. Again, both worth something.

A good student earns good grades that can result in admittance to a better college or grad school.

Not all rewards are monetary - it's not just about the Benjamins.

[WhiteTrash]

What it means is there's never equality, so why should we assume that every player on a team will be treated the exact same? That's lunacy. That's not the case in grade school, high school, AAU, college, or the professional ranks, and it's not the case in the classroom or workplace. Different levels of work earn different rewards. Unless we're turning our entire society upside down, it's crazy to think CBB should be the one place exempt from that obvious reality.

It's obvious you've never worked for or with a union.

[Galway Eagle]

It's obvious you've never worked for or with a union.

Lol this won't age well.

[brewcity77]

It's obvious you've never worked for or with a union.

It's like I'm not an elected union official.  

[tower912]

It's obvious you've never worked for or with a union.

In one.   Steward for many years.   Helped bargain multiple contracts.     So wrong.   

[TheyWereCones]

This argument is so stupid.  I always bring up the same statement.  No one is forcing anyone to play college basketball.  If they want to benefit from their likeness or whatever, then literally do anything but play college basketball.  If you want to start saying things like, "Well it's not so easy..."  Then you must be leading yourself to a place where you are going to start explaining the benefits of playing college basketball which kills your whole argument in the first place.

No one is forced to do anything.  If you don't like the rules, do something else.  If the NCAA sees enough people skip the NCAA and it actually hurts them enough then it's up to the NCAA to make changes.  Instead, you want to force a business to change their rules because you don't like them instead of just not use that business.

I'm totally fine if the NCAA does change their rules.  It's up to them.  So whatever, but let's stop pretending that:

1. Kids MUST play in college.
2. They don't get paid.  They do get paid.  You may think they deserve to be paid more, BUT THEY DO GET PAID ALREADY.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I think the "well these are the rules" is an equally dumb argument. No one is saying the NCAA doesn't have the right to make their own rules. They are saying that they should change those rules. The NCAA can choose to listen or choose not to, no one is forcing them to do anything.

I say this as someone who thinks that 99% of college athletes are compensated more than fairly for their service. Though I do support NIL

[WhiteTrash]

In one.   Steward for many years.   Helped bargain multiple contracts.     So wrong.

Keep in mind I didn't say unions were bad. Many union members in my family. Unions did great things for the US workers.

Union members (long shore men, electrical, teamster) have told me it is not a merit based system.

[WhiteTrash]

This argument is so stupid.  I always bring up the same statement.  No one is forcing anyone to play college basketball.  If they want to benefit from their likeness or whatever, then literally do anything but play college basketball.  If you want to start saying things like, "Well it's not so easy..."  Then you must be leading yourself to a place where you are going to start explaining the benefits of playing college basketball which kills your whole argument in the first place.

No one is forced to do anything.  If you don't like the rules, do something else.  If the NCAA sees enough people skip the NCAA and it actually hurts them enough then it's up to the NCAA to make changes.  Instead, you want to force a business to change their rules because you don't like them instead of just not use that business.

I'm totally fine if the NCAA does change their rules.  It's up to them.  So whatever, but let's stop pretending that:

1. Kids MUST play in college.
2. They don't get paid.  They do get paid.  You may think they deserve to be paid more, BUT THEY DO GET PAID ALREADY.

I agree with this. The media, especially, ignorantly thinks that all 4,200 DI basketball players are Zion and are getting screwed. The colleges and universities that make the rules for the NCAA want as level of a playing as possible.

And also, no one is forcing any school to be a member of the NCAA.

[brewcity77]

Keep in mind I didn't say unions were bad. Many union members in my family. Unions did great things for the US workers.

Union members (long shore men, electrical, teamster) have told me it is not a merit based system.

Even in a union, that's not always the case. Our union has different negotiated benefits depending on education, specialized skills, & experience. The union gives everyone the same opportunity, but those that put the most work will be the ones that reap the greatest rewards.

[Elonsmusk]

Wonder if team dynamics change in college hoop if players allowed to get paid?  Could see more hero ball with players trying to get theirs, much like what happens during contract years in pro sports.  That aside, I support all college athlete being eligible to get paid - reality is, only the superstars in the football/basketball will profit.  Yet, those in other sports not getting paid will probably whine that it isn't "fair."

As for Unions?  It comes as no surprise public sector workers have a 5x union membership rate (33.6%) than private sector (6.2%).   https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/union2.pdf

Unions simply don't fly in the meritocracy of the private sector.  At will employment, everyone is a free agent.  Public sector life - seniority drives virtually all promotion/pay raise.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I work in the public sector and am an at will employee. The two are not incompatible

[jesmu84]

Wonder if team dynamics change in college hoop if players allowed to get paid?  Could see more hero ball with players trying to get theirs, much like what happens during contract years in pro sports.  That aside, I support all college athlete being eligible to get paid - reality is, only the superstars in the football/basketball will profit.  Yet, those in other sports not getting paid will probably whine that it isn't "fair."

As for Unions?  It comes as no surprise public sector workers have a 5x union membership rate (33.6%) than private sector (6.2%).   https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/union2.pdf

Unions simply don't fly in the meritocracy of the private sector.  At will employment, everyone is a free agent.  Public sector life - seniority drives virtually all promotion/pay raise.

Lolz

[WhiteTrash]

My business partner barely graduated from high school and would havev been  a lower level union worker.  He started his own business with a used pickup truck and now is one of the 10,000 or so wealthiest people in the US.

I give unions a lot of credit for better wages and safer work conditions.

There are different ways to being successful. As an entrepreneur there are many days I wished for security but ultimately I'm happier having my future in my own hands.

[dajudge]

My business partner barely graduated from high school and would havev been  a lower level union worker.  He started his own business with a used pickup truck and now is one of the 10,000 or so wealthiest people in the US.

I give unions a lot of credit for better wages and safer work conditions.

There are different ways to being successful. As an entrepreneur there are many days I wished for security but ultimately I'm happier having my future in my own hands.

Can someone let us know when there is some recruiting news on the recruiting thread

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

D'Marco Dunn is one of my favorite prospects in 2021.  Dynamic shooter with an interesting tie to Marquette:

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/2021-shooter-d-marco-dunn-s-stock-is-soaring

[DoctorV]

Can someone let us know when there is some recruiting news on the recruiting thread

Da judge asked and it was Dunn, aina?

[dajudge]

Da judge asked and it was Dunn, aina?

Alleluia!!!

[MU82]

This argument is so stupid.  I always bring up the same statement.  No one is forcing anyone to play college basketball.  If they want to benefit from their likeness or whatever, then literally do anything but play college basketball.

Agreed. It's like when blacks wanted to be able to earn college scholarships for playing sports like whites did. I mean, no one was forcing any of those black athletes to play sports. If they wanted to benefit or whatever, then they literally should have done anything but play college sports.

And the damn women who wanted to get college scholarships! Such nerve! No one was forcing any of them to be athletes. If they wanted to benefit or whatever, then they literally should have done anything but play college sports.

And you're right when you say, "No one is forced to do anything - if you don't like the rules, do something else!" Can you believe the temerity of those black folks who insisted on not riding in the back of the bus or who refused to leave the lunch counter? They should have just accepted discrimination and done something else!

Because, you know, rules!

[TheyWereCones]

Agreed. It's like when blacks wanted to be able to earn college scholarships for playing sports like whites did. I mean, no one was forcing any of those black athletes to play sports. If they wanted to benefit or whatever, then they literally should have done anything but play college sports.

And the damn women who wanted to get college scholarships! Such nerve! No one was forcing any of them to be athletes. If they wanted to benefit or whatever, then they literally should have done anything but play college sports.

And you're right when you say, "No one is forced to do anything - if you don't like the rules, do something else!" Can you believe the temerity of those black folks who insisted on not riding in the back of the bus or who refused to leave the lunch counter? They should have just accepted discrimination and done something else!

Because, you know, rules!

Wow.

[DoctorV]

Agreed. It's like when blacks wanted to be able to earn college scholarships for playing sports like whites did. I mean, no one was forcing any of those black athletes to play sports. If they wanted to benefit or whatever, then they literally should have done anything but play college sports.

And the damn women who wanted to get college scholarships! Such nerve! No one was forcing any of them to be athletes. If they wanted to benefit or whatever, then they literally should have done anything but play college sports.

And you're right when you say, "No one is forced to do anything - if you don't like the rules, do something else!" Can you believe the temerity of those black folks who insisted on not riding in the back of the bus or who refused to leave the lunch counter? They should have just accepted discrimination and done something else!

Because, you know, rules!

You typically make some great points but I don't think this is one of them.

Also, this is a recruiting thread so this is the last I'll discuss this topic on this thread.

Comparing the very noble push for African American rights and that of Woman's inequality to NCAA athletes push to earn money for their likeness and efforts is just too big of a reach.

Main reasons being that
1- there are other very solid options to get paid, given elite ability. All NCAA athletes are free to chose those.
2- these athletes already receive good benefits and are compensated for their abilities and HS efforts (50k or more per year worth in many cases).
3- something tells me that it's the adults that are pushing for this more than the actual student athletes themselves. This is a weak point based on observation and conjecture, but in your examples there were years/decades worth of efforts that brought about positive change.

Don't get me wrong, progress is always good and warranted. Money is made off these kids and I get the argument that they should be compensated for their efforts from the standpoint of "individual value and why should the university benefit and the main culprit athlete not"
but I just think that amateur sport is amateur sport. Mixing money here can lead to a bad rabbit hole, and once again there are other avenues to "money"
Getting an advanced education and expanding the mind are an awesome benefit for these kids, 90+ percent of which won't ever get paid well enough to have a career in that particular sport

[GoldenDieners32]

D'Marco Dunn is one of my favorite prospects in 2021.  Dynamic shooter with an interesting tie to Marquette:

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/2021-shooter-d-marco-dunn-s-stock-is-soaring

Just saw his highlights, kid can hoop

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Huge miss by MU82, again...

[THRILLHO]

Please move the discussion of amateurism to another thread.