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Lennys Tap

Quote from: oldwarrior81 on June 27, 2019, 09:07:01 PM
A few years back I ran the percentage of recruits (based on their final rscii rankings) that were drafted by the NBA.
Plus how many actually hung around the league for a few seasons

RSCII CLASSES 1999-2012
through NBA draft of 2016
rank    drafted   200+games
1-10     87%        65%
11-20    61%        29%
21-30    40%        17%
31-40    24%        12%
41-50    19%        10%
51-60    18%        13%
61-70    14%         6%
71-80    13%         5%
81-90    10%         3%
91-100   15%         7%

summary
1-10     87%        65%
11-40    42%        19%
41-100   15%         7%

as others have said, it really takes a dip once you get past top 30.

Good stuff - thanks!

Breakdown: Percentage wise players ranked 1-10 get drafted approximately twice as often and last 200+ games 3 and a half times more than those ranked 11-40. And those ranked 11-40 get drafted almost 3 times as often and last 200+ games 2 and a half times more often than those ranked 41-100.

Conclusion: While not infallible, rankings are in no way meaningless. Guys who are ranked higher are a better bet, and that's true for more than the alleged "sure thing" (no such thing) top 25. The differences narrow as the rankings go down but getting a guy whois #40 gives you a better shot than a guy won is #80 or #90. Not surprising.

forgetful

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Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 27, 2019, 10:37:36 PM
Good stuff - thanks!

Breakdown: Percentage wise players ranked 1-10 get drafted approximately twice as often and last 200+ games 3 and a half times more than those ranked 11-40. And those ranked 11-40 get drafted almost 3 times as often and last 200+ games 2 and a half times more often than those ranked 41-100.

Conclusion: While not infallible, rankings are in no way meaningless. Guys who are ranked higher are a better bet, and that's true for more than the alleged "sure thing" (no such thing) top 25. The differences narrow as the rankings go down but getting a guy whois #40 gives you a better shot than a guy won is #80 or #90. Not surprising.

Another conclusion, a player ranked in the 31-40 range, should not be expected to be a mega star. 76% of them are not drafted.

The expectations for them should be a solid team leader.  When they don't end up being all conference they are not a bust.

Those ranked 40-100, even more true that expectations should be solid team leaders/contributors, not world-beaters.

Note: not saying you believe the above, and it is not directed at you, rather just a comment as I often see posters overly critical of top 100 guys who end up being solid 4-year contributors, but not stars. That should be the goal, not the expectation.

Cheeks

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 27, 2019, 10:37:36 PM
Good stuff - thanks!

Breakdown: Percentage wise players ranked 1-10 get drafted approximately twice as often and last 200+ games 3 and a half times more than those ranked 11-40. And those ranked 11-40 get drafted almost 3 times as often and last 200+ games 2 and a half times more often than those ranked 41-100.

Conclusion: While not infallible, rankings are in no way meaningless. Guys who are ranked higher are a better bet, and that's true for more than the alleged "sure thing" (no such thing) top 25. The differences narrow as the rankings go down but getting a guy whois #40 gives you a better shot than a guy won is #80 or #90. Not surprising.

Apple still does not equal an orange again.

You posted one ranking from one site of a JUNIOR.  Meaningless considering not a top 25 to 30 guy and his age.  Meaningless.

The list you just wanted to anoint as not meaningless was RSCI (many rating services) and final senior rankings. 

Apple does not equal an Orange.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Lennys Tap

Quote from: forgetful on June 27, 2019, 10:44:05 PM
Another conclusion, a player ranked in the 31-40 range, should not be expected to be a mega star. 76% of them are not drafted.

The expectations for them should be a solid team leader.  When they don't end up being all conference they are not a bust.

Those ranked 40-100, even more true that expectations should be solid team leaders/contributors, not world-beaters.

Note: not saying you believe the above, and it is not directed at you, rather just a comment as I often see posters overly critical of top 100 guys who end up being solid 4-year contributors, but not stars. That should be the goal, not the expectation.

I agree with this analysis.

Herman Cain

Excellent research report on Niels Lane. Considers himself to be a high energy and lock down defense.

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/06/27/2020-guard-niels-lane-piling-up-recruiting-offers-and-interest/

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

wadesworld

Quote from: Herman Cain on June 28, 2019, 09:01:41 AM
Excellent research report on Niels Lane. Considers himself to be a high energy and lock down defense.

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/06/27/2020-guard-niels-lane-piling-up-recruiting-offers-and-interest/

Good luck to him at Florida, Providence, Seton Hall, or Xavier.

Ben Golds Five

 ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: wadesworld on June 28, 2019, 09:04:17 AM
Good luck to him at Florida, Providence, Seton Hall, or Xavier.

KampusFoods

Quote from: Herman Cain on June 28, 2019, 09:01:41 AM
Excellent research report on Niels Lane. Considers himself to be a high energy and lock down defense.

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/06/27/2020-guard-niels-lane-piling-up-recruiting-offers-and-interest/

Never change, Herman. Your commitment to the bit is unrivaled.

NickelDimer

Quote from: KampusFoods on June 28, 2019, 10:30:18 AM
Never change, Herman. Your commitment to the bit is unrivaled.
I choose to believe Herman is the master of trolling. It makes for great comedy when reading his posts under this presumption especially when he gives glowing compliments to batsh*t crazy posts; see any of duanewade's posts
No Finish Line

Mr. Sand-Knit

Its part eye roll part spooky with a little Rainman mixed in.

I think him n guru share the same computer and room at the loony bin.
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

KampusFoods

Quote from: NickelDimer on June 28, 2019, 10:39:24 AM
I choose to believe Herman is the master of trolling. It makes for great comedy when reading his posts under this presumption especially when he gives glowing compliments to batsh*t crazy posts; see any of duanewade's posts

100% agree, love Herman.

MomofMUltiples

Quote from: Herman Cain on June 28, 2019, 09:01:41 AM
Excellent research report on Niels Lane. Considers himself to be a high energy and lock down defense.

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/06/27/2020-guard-niels-lane-piling-up-recruiting-offers-and-interest/



How's Jeenathan Williams doing?
I mean, OK, maybe he's secretly a serial killer who's pulled the wool over our eyes with his good deeds and smooth jumper - Pakuni (on Markus Howard)

MU82

Quote from: MomofMUltiples on June 28, 2019, 01:52:26 PM
How's Jeenathan Williams doing?

Word is, Giannis has made Jeenathan an Honorary Antetokounmpo.
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JakeBarnes

Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.

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We R Final Four

Quote from: MomofMUltiples on June 28, 2019, 01:52:26 PM
How's Jeenathan Williams doing?
He's the pogo stick we needed to put us over the top.

muguru

"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

TedBaxter

To me, Justin Lewis would be more of a priority and could be playing with his Baltimore Poly team in Philly Live 2 this weekend.  Hope Wojo is there.
If You Aren't All In For Marquette Basketball, Move On


Herman Cain

Quote from: TedBaxter on June 28, 2019, 07:05:34 PM
To me, Justin Lewis would be more of a priority and could be playing with his Baltimore Poly team in Philly Live 2 this weekend.  Hope Wojo is there.
We have plenty of scholarships  and can pursue both and yes Justin is a priority in that he is in active dialogue with us.

I have been following RJ for some time and the question mark was always size. I think that is no longer an issue and he is starting to take off. As long as no blue blood get in the mix with real offers , our chances with this kid are as good as any one .
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

We R Final Four

Quote from: Herman Cain on June 28, 2019, 07:02:24 PM
As I said before this kid is taking off . Looks like the blue bloods have heard the good word.
IU and UCLA?

Stretchdeltsig

It seems that the blue bloods can offer twenty scholarships each.  When in reality, there are a maximum of 13 scholarship players per school, there is plenty of talent to go around. Marquette will get its share.

We R Final Four

I certainly wouldn't call IU a blue blood anymore. UCLA is 2nd tier to me.
Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas.

Herman Cain

Quote from: We R Final Four on June 28, 2019, 08:04:08 PM
IU and UCLA?
UNC and Kansas are coming to see RJ on Saturday and Sunday
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

muguru

R J Davis:

Marquette: "They have four seniors leaving so they're going to need a point guard just to run the show. They have Markus Howard, who's an unbelievable player, is leaving so I'll try to fill that spot."

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/06/28/...ls-in-pursuit/
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

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