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Lennys Tap

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18575 on: June 27, 2019, 10:37:36 PM »
A few years back I ran the percentage of recruits (based on their final rscii rankings) that were drafted by the NBA.
Plus how many actually hung around the league for a few seasons

RSCII CLASSES 1999-2012
through NBA draft of 2016
rank    drafted   200+games
 1-10     87%        65%
11-20    61%        29%
21-30    40%        17%
31-40    24%        12%
41-50    19%        10%
51-60    18%        13%
61-70    14%         6%
71-80    13%         5%
81-90    10%         3%
91-100   15%         7%

summary
 1-10     87%        65%
11-40    42%        19%
41-100   15%         7%

as others have said, it really takes a dip once you get past top 30.

Good stuff - thanks!

Breakdown: Percentage wise players ranked 1-10 get drafted approximately twice as often and last 200+ games 3 and a half times more than those ranked 11-40. And those ranked 11-40 get drafted almost 3 times as often and last 200+ games 2 and a half times more often than those ranked 41-100.

Conclusion: While not infallible, rankings are in no way meaningless. Guys who are ranked higher are a better bet, and that's true for more than the alleged "sure thing" (no such thing) top 25. The differences narrow as the rankings go down but getting a guy whois #40 gives you a better shot than a guy won is #80 or #90. Not surprising.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18576 on: June 27, 2019, 10:44:05 PM »
Good stuff - thanks!

Breakdown: Percentage wise players ranked 1-10 get drafted approximately twice as often and last 200+ games 3 and a half times more than those ranked 11-40. And those ranked 11-40 get drafted almost 3 times as often and last 200+ games 2 and a half times more often than those ranked 41-100.

Conclusion: While not infallible, rankings are in no way meaningless. Guys who are ranked higher are a better bet, and that's true for more than the alleged "sure thing" (no such thing) top 25. The differences narrow as the rankings go down but getting a guy whois #40 gives you a better shot than a guy won is #80 or #90. Not surprising.

Another conclusion, a player ranked in the 31-40 range, should not be expected to be a mega star. 76% of them are not drafted.

The expectations for them should be a solid team leader.  When they don't end up being all conference they are not a bust.

Those ranked 40-100, even more true that expectations should be solid team leaders/contributors, not world-beaters.

Note: not saying you believe the above, and it is not directed at you, rather just a comment as I often see posters overly critical of top 100 guys who end up being solid 4-year contributors, but not stars. That should be the goal, not the expectation.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2019, 11:03:01 PM by forgetful »

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18577 on: June 27, 2019, 10:54:06 PM »
Good stuff - thanks!

Breakdown: Percentage wise players ranked 1-10 get drafted approximately twice as often and last 200+ games 3 and a half times more than those ranked 11-40. And those ranked 11-40 get drafted almost 3 times as often and last 200+ games 2 and a half times more often than those ranked 41-100.

Conclusion: While not infallible, rankings are in no way meaningless. Guys who are ranked higher are a better bet, and that's true for more than the alleged "sure thing" (no such thing) top 25. The differences narrow as the rankings go down but getting a guy whois #40 gives you a better shot than a guy won is #80 or #90. Not surprising.

Apple still does not equal an orange again.

You posted one ranking from one site of a JUNIOR.  Meaningless considering not a top 25 to 30 guy and his age.  Meaningless.

The list you just wanted to anoint as not meaningless was RSCI (many rating services) and final senior rankings. 

Apple does not equal an Orange.
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Lennys Tap

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18578 on: June 28, 2019, 07:38:26 AM »
Another conclusion, a player ranked in the 31-40 range, should not be expected to be a mega star. 76% of them are not drafted.

The expectations for them should be a solid team leader.  When they don't end up being all conference they are not a bust.

Those ranked 40-100, even more true that expectations should be solid team leaders/contributors, not world-beaters.

Note: not saying you believe the above, and it is not directed at you, rather just a comment as I often see posters overly critical of top 100 guys who end up being solid 4-year contributors, but not stars. That should be the goal, not the expectation.

I agree with this analysis.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18579 on: June 28, 2019, 09:01:41 AM »
Excellent research report on Niels Lane. Considers himself to be a high energy and lock down defense.

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/06/27/2020-guard-niels-lane-piling-up-recruiting-offers-and-interest/

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18580 on: June 28, 2019, 09:04:17 AM »
Excellent research report on Niels Lane. Considers himself to be a high energy and lock down defense.

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/06/27/2020-guard-niels-lane-piling-up-recruiting-offers-and-interest/

Good luck to him at Florida, Providence, Seton Hall, or Xavier.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18581 on: June 28, 2019, 09:19:57 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D

Good luck to him at Florida, Providence, Seton Hall, or Xavier.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18582 on: June 28, 2019, 10:30:18 AM »
Excellent research report on Niels Lane. Considers himself to be a high energy and lock down defense.

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/06/27/2020-guard-niels-lane-piling-up-recruiting-offers-and-interest/

Never change, Herman. Your commitment to the bit is unrivaled.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18583 on: June 28, 2019, 10:39:24 AM »
Never change, Herman. Your commitment to the bit is unrivaled.
I choose to believe Herman is the master of trolling. It makes for great comedy when reading his posts under this presumption especially when he gives glowing compliments to batsh*t crazy posts; see any of duanewade’s posts
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18584 on: June 28, 2019, 10:50:54 AM »
Its part eye roll part spooky with a little Rainman mixed in.

I think him n guru share the same computer and room at the loony bin.
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18585 on: June 28, 2019, 10:59:21 AM »
I choose to believe Herman is the master of trolling. It makes for great comedy when reading his posts under this presumption especially when he gives glowing compliments to batsh*t crazy posts; see any of duanewade’s posts

100% agree, love Herman.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18586 on: June 28, 2019, 01:52:26 PM »
Excellent research report on Niels Lane. Considers himself to be a high energy and lock down defense.

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/06/27/2020-guard-niels-lane-piling-up-recruiting-offers-and-interest/



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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18587 on: June 28, 2019, 02:00:00 PM »
How's Jeenathan Williams doing?

Word is, Giannis has made Jeenathan an Honorary Antetokounmpo.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18588 on: June 28, 2019, 02:54:44 PM »
How's Jeenathan Williams doing?

A neck ahead of the rest
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18589 on: June 28, 2019, 04:07:04 PM »
How's Jeenathan Williams doing?
He’s the pogo stick we needed to put us over the top.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18591 on: June 28, 2019, 07:02:24 PM »
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1144745348449132544
As I said before this kid is taking off . Looks like the blue bloods have heard the good word.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18592 on: June 28, 2019, 07:05:34 PM »
To me, Justin Lewis would be more of a priority and could be playing with his Baltimore Poly team in Philly Live 2 this weekend.  Hope Wojo is there.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18593 on: June 28, 2019, 07:48:07 PM »

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18594 on: June 28, 2019, 08:01:35 PM »
To me, Justin Lewis would be more of a priority and could be playing with his Baltimore Poly team in Philly Live 2 this weekend.  Hope Wojo is there.
We have plenty of scholarships  and can pursue both and yes Justin is a priority in that he is in active dialogue with us.

I have been following RJ for some time and the question mark was always size. I think that is no longer an issue and he is starting to take off. As long as no blue blood get in the mix with real offers , our chances with this kid are as good as any one .
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18595 on: June 28, 2019, 08:04:08 PM »
As I said before this kid is taking off . Looks like the blue bloods have heard the good word.
IU and UCLA?

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18596 on: June 28, 2019, 08:37:47 PM »
It seems that the blue bloods can offer twenty scholarships each.  When in reality, there are a maximum of 13 scholarship players per school, there is plenty of talent to go around. Marquette will get its share.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18597 on: June 28, 2019, 08:48:15 PM »
I certainly wouldn’t call IU a blue blood anymore. UCLA is 2nd tier to me.
Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18598 on: June 28, 2019, 09:00:15 PM »
IU and UCLA?
UNC and Kansas are coming to see RJ on Saturday and Sunday
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/19
« Reply #18599 on: June 28, 2019, 09:04:50 PM »
R J Davis:

Marquette: “They have four seniors leaving so they’re going to need a point guard just to run the show. They have Markus Howard, who’s an unbelievable player, is leaving so I’ll try to fill that spot.”

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/06/28/...ls-in-pursuit/
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