Matt Carlino

[GGGG]

Considering the PG position was dismal last season, I don't see a "logjam" at all.

Yeah...exactly.  Potential?  Sure.  Productive?  No.

[barfolomew]

BTW, congrats to the "hacks" at Bleacher Report for nailing this one.
Enjoy playing with your new hashtag.
#DoneDeal

[Windyplayer]

My guess is Carlino and D. Wilson get the bulk of the minutes while Duane and John get the scraps.

This was HILARIOUS. You honestly believe that D. Wilson is going to be part of a tandem getting the "bulk" of the minutes at PG. D Wilson is going to do exactly what he's meant to do next year--spell bona fide starters, and play staunch defense for 8-10 minutes every game (assuming his offensive talent hasn't improved).

[Norm]

Again, players will develop regardless of whether they are getting 40 mpg or 1 mpg.  Not taking a player because they will stunt the progress of other players on the rosters is arguably the dumbest thing I've ever heard on this board (and it is far from just you suggesting this is the case), and there have been some really, really dumb things said on here.  If Carlino is not a good player and cannot help this team win games, then Duane and John should have no problem beating him out.  If they do have trouble beating him out and Carlino stinks, then regardless of their development, those 2 players will probably never be very good.  If we're worried their feelings will get hurt and they will transfer out because a not-so-good player came in and took their minutes, then they aren't good either and their transfer out won't hurt the future of our program.  This is an absolute no lose situation.  If Carlino sucks and Dawson and Duane don't, then Carlino sits and can pout all he wants, he's out after 1 year.  If Carlino kicks ass and Duane and Dawson are good but just not as good, then we have a lot of talent and depth in the back court.  If they all are bad then we can recruit for the future and stink again next year.  Win-win scenario by getting Carlino.

Well, taking your response and others, it sure seems like I'm in the minority on this one. Also glad I was able to contribute one of the dumbest statements on this board - that is quite an accomplishment!

That said, there is no such thing as an "absolute no lose situation," especially in sports. And with Carlino's attitude in question as leaves BYU, there is a risk of chemistry issues next year - although we had our problems with that this year too.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This was HILARIOUS. You honestly believe that D. Wilson is going to be part of a tandem getting the "bulk" of the minutes at PG. D Wilson is going to do exactly what he's meant to do next year--spell bona fide starters, and play staunch defense for 8-10 minutes every game (assuming his offensive talent hasn't improved).

I think that is what Norm is saying. In most games Carlino will get 30ish minutes and Derrick will get 10ish. Meaning the bulk of the minutes at the 1 goes to them.

I bet we see a lot of three and four guard sets next season. Carlino, Dawson, and Duane all have the ability to play the 1 or the 2. They will share PG duties.

[Norm]

I think that is what Norm is saying. In most games Carlino will get 30ish minutes and Derrick will get 10ish. Meaning the bulk of the minutes at the 1 goes to them.

I bet we see a lot of three and four guard sets next season. Carlino, Dawson, and Duane all have the ability to play the 1 or the 2. They will share PG duties.

Yes, I was thinking of a scenario that TAMU described.

[NersEllenson]

Well, taking your response and others, it sure seems like I'm in the minority on this one. Also glad I was able to contribute one of the dumbest statements on this board - that is quite an accomplishment!

That said, there is no such thing as an "absolute no lose situation," especially in sports. And with Carlino's attitude in question as leaves BYU, there is a risk of chemistry issues next year - although we had our problems with that this year too.

Agree...chemistry could be an issue...Carlino has had problems getting along with people at both UCLA and BYU...IU too?

What is he, a 5th year senior after his transfer from IU?  He'll obviously be an upgrade over Derrick.  Will just have to see how it plays out in practice for minutes at PG...

[keefe]

Carlino has had problems getting along with people at BYU...

I have buddies who fly for Delta and live in Park City. They have problems with people in Provo. Hell, people in Provo would likely have problems with most of the people on this board. Frankly, I take that as a positive.

Press on, Carlino!

[JakeBarnes]

I have buddies who fly for Delta and live in Park City. They have problems with people in Provo. Hell, people in Provo would likely have problems with most of the people on this board. Frankly, I take that as a positive.

Press on, Carlino!

It's hard not to be pissed off in Provo when you can't buy a 6 pack for yourself without paying 20 bucks and can only get it from a state liquor store

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Agree...chemistry could be an issue...Carlino has had problems getting along with people at both UCLA and BYU...IU too?

What is he, a 5th year senior after his transfer from IU?  He'll obviously be an upgrade over Derrick.  Will just have to see how it plays out in practice for minutes at PG...

IIRC, he never played for IU. Committed to them and decommitted to go to UCLA. Never played at UCLA and transferred to BYU. Started from day 1 in Provo.

[Nevada233]

If we get him do we get to play 5 on 5 again?  If so, I'm all in.

Exactly id take him over #12 any day.

[77ncaachamps]

Exactly id take him over #12 any day.

Who's #12?

[keefe]

Who's #12?

#12 in your program but #1 in the hearts of Scoopers...Mr. Derrick Wilson

[Texas Western]

The comments section in this article is worth reading .

http://m.deseretnews.com/article/865601806/Report-Former-BYU-basketball-guard-Matt-Carlino-will-transfer-to-Marquette.html

[Windyplayer]

The comments section in this article is worth reading .

http://m.deseretnews.com/article/865601806/Report-Former-BYU-basketball-guard-Matt-Carlino-will-transfer-to-Marquette.html

Yep, BYU is comprised of decent religious folk.

[Nevada233]

#12 in your program but #1 in the hearts of Scoopers...Mr. Derrick Wilson

#12 is a joke offensively and average defensively.

[bilsu]

I watched the first half of the BYU/MU NCAA tournament game yesterday. Carlino started as a freshmen in that game. He looked good for a freshmen. However, what impressed me the most in that game was how good/talented MU was compared to last season. While I would go with Cadougan, there really was not that much difference between Cadougan and Derrick as juniors. However, there was a huge difference between Cadougan being teamed with DJO vs Wilson being teamed with Thomas. There was an even bigger difference between being teamed with Crowder at power forward vs. Jamil. although I was not a Vander Blue fan he was easily better at the 3 than any of the options that Derrick was teamed with. Throw away the point guards the team of Crowder/DJO/Blue, Jamil would of wiped the floor with Thomas/Jamil/Anderson/Otule. Both teams had Mayo and Gardner coming off the bench. Derrick is not a great point guard, but he is getting more criticism than he should, because the rest of the team was not any good either.

[BCHoopster]

I watched the first half of the BYU/MU NCAA tournament game yesterday. Carlino started as a freshmen in that game. He looked good for a freshmen. However, what impressed me the most in that game was how good/talented MU was compared to last season. While I would go with Cadougan, there really was not that much difference between Cadougan and Derrick as juniors. However, there was a huge difference between Cadougan being teamed with DJO vs Wilson being teamed with Thomas. There was an even bigger difference between being teamed with Crowder at power forward vs. Jamil. although I was not a Vander Blue fan he was easily better at the 3 than any of the options that Derrick was teamed with. Throw away the point guards the team of Crowder/DJO/Blue, Jamil would of wiped the floor with Thomas/Jamil/Anderson/Otule. Both teams had Mayo and Gardner coming off the bench. Derrick is not a great point guard, but he is getting more criticism than he should, because the rest of the team was not any good either.

Have to agree, Derrick is even worse on a bad team, on a good team he would be fine.  Jamil, average player, hot and cold.  Anderson big disappointment, Love Chris as a person but not really
a good player, not sure how much he improved offensively over 6 years,  and Thomas was good and bad, as a walk-on pretty good, but not an everyday player.  You can see why MU was 17-15.  Add Buzz's style of bringing in players every minute and I am sure there were quite a few unhappy players last year.  Hopefully there will be a smaller rotation next year.

[tower912]

I watched the first half of the BYU/MU NCAA tournament game yesterday. Carlino started as a freshmen in that game. He looked good for a freshmen. However, what impressed me the most in that game was how good/talented MU was compared to last season. While I would go with Cadougan, there really was not that much difference between Cadougan and Derrick as juniors. However, there was a huge difference between Cadougan being teamed with DJO vs Wilson being teamed with Thomas. There was an even bigger difference between being teamed with Crowder at power forward vs. Jamil. although I was not a Vander Blue fan he was easily better at the 3 than any of the options that Derrick was teamed with. Throw away the point guards the team of Crowder/DJO/Blue, Jamil would of wiped the floor with Thomas/Jamil/Anderson/Otule. Both teams had Mayo and Gardner coming off the bench. Derrick is not a great point guard, but he is getting more criticism than he should, because the rest of the team was not any good either.

Testify. 

[BCHoopster]

Testify.

Watching Carlino right now during Pepperdine-Byu game, Carlino is thin, not to athletic, lots of bench time, he will have to earn his minutes,  no guarentee he starts next year, Derrick,much more athletic.  Has not payed the last 10 minutes in second half, I can see why he transferred.

[bilsu]

For a little perspective
Carlino 1,201 career points
Mayo 738 career points
MU's other 9 players combine for 1,087 career points

[wadesworld]

I watched the first half of the BYU/MU NCAA tournament game yesterday. Carlino started as a freshmen in that game. He looked good for a freshmen. However, what impressed me the most in that game was how good/talented MU was compared to last season. While I would go with Cadougan, there really was not that much difference between Cadougan and Derrick as juniors. However, there was a huge difference between Cadougan being teamed with DJO vs Wilson being teamed with Thomas. There was an even bigger difference between being teamed with Crowder at power forward vs. Jamil. although I was not a Vander Blue fan he was easily better at the 3 than any of the options that Derrick was teamed with. Throw away the point guards the team of Crowder/DJO/Blue, Jamil would of wiped the floor with Thomas/Jamil/Anderson/Otule. Both teams had Mayo and Gardner coming off the bench. Derrick is not a great point guard, but he is getting more criticism than he should, because the rest of the team was not any good either.

Sssssshhhhhh.  You're just a Derrick slurper.  He wouldn't start on a D3 team.

[bilsu]

Sssssshhhhhh.  You're just a Derrick slurper.  He wouldn't start on a D3 team.

Just goes to show how bad Dawson is that he could not beat out a point guard that would not start at a division 3 school.

[ThatDude]

#12 in your program but #1 in the hearts of Scoopers...Mr. Derrick Wilson

Hahaha

[NersEllenson]

Just goes to show how bad Dawson is that he could not beat out a point guard that would not start at a division 3 school.

Dawson was given exactly one game of equal minutes to what Derrick averaged all season.  He scored 12 points in that game.  7 in Overtime.  Dawson has tripled Derrick's career 3 point FG's made in just spotty action as a freshman. Dawson shoots 81% from the line.  Dawson has to be defended everywhere on the court...defenses don't sag off of him 6 feet.

Buzz had a hardcore Derrick Crush last year, and obviously knew he was on his way out and didn't care about developing the freshman.

Will be interesting to see if MU posts better than a 17-15 record next year, 9-9 in Big East and if Derrick plays less than 10 minutes.  Would be really bizarre for the team to improve if he wasn't major problem...as we lost our top 2 scorers off the team - Jamil and Gardner - along with our starting 2 guard who Buzz CHOSE to play max minutes as well.

No way should the team be better next season...but...I have a strong feeling Derrick will NOT be getting 31 minutes a game next year...and in turn...the team likely will be better...even though it lost its two best players to graduation.