Helene appears to be picking up steam and angry at the world.
Indeed. As well as scoopers around the southeast.
Passing due west of the Gulf coast of the state right now. Heavy rains and some wind but nothing TOO crazy as of now, thankfully. Storm surge seems to be manageable.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 26, 2024, 04:09:05 PM
Passing due west of the Gulf coast of the state right now. Heavy rains and some wind but nothing TOO crazy as of now, thankfully. Storm surge seems to be manageable.
I was pretty sure I just heard that the east eye could see 20 feet (!) of storm surge/rain
https://www.nbcmiami.com/weather/hurricane-season/live-updates-potentially-catastrophic-hurricane-helene-threatens-florida/3426953/
QuoteIn addition to "potentially catastrophic" winds, Helene could bring storm surge as high as 20 feet
Luckily, where it is probably going to make landfall isn't a heavy population center.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 26, 2024, 04:12:55 PM
I was pretty sure I just heard that the east eye could see 20 feet (!) of storm surge/rain
https://www.nbcmiami.com/weather/hurricane-season/live-updates-potentially-catastrophic-hurricane-helene-threatens-florida/3426953/
Luckily, where it is probably going to make landfall isn't a heavy population center.
Doesn't Talahasse have a sizeable population?
Yes, but Tallahassee is pretty far inland so it won't be hit with a storm surge. The part that will be most affected by the surge may be the least populated coastline in Florida.
The breadth of Helene looks rather imposing. But it is fortunate that the eye isn't supposed to hit a more populated area.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 26, 2024, 07:41:20 PM
The breadth of Helene looks rather imposing. But it is fortunate that the eye isn't supposed to hit a more populated area.
From a storm surge perspective, east of the eye is what catches the worst of it because that's where the winds are coming off the water.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 26, 2024, 07:42:38 PM
From a storm surge perspective, east of the eye is what catches the worst of it because that's where the winds are coming off the water.
There's like 8 feet of storm surge in St.P. Helene is jumbo sized.
I always thought "landfall" referred to when a hurricane first touches land. The meteorologist on a local station said it is when the eye of the hurricane comes over land.
I'm concerned about the manatee population in Crystal River.
Lost Power . Storm Surge hitting at low tide . Dune is intact so far will find out scope of damage in AM .
This storm's impacts, man.....
Southeast is going to Helene a handbasket.
Be safe, good luck, everybody.
Quote from: tower912 on September 27, 2024, 06:23:55 AM
This storm's impacts, man.....
Southeast is going to Helene a handbasket.
Be safe, good luck, everybody.
Not good. Atlanta is flooded. Helene doesn't seem to care about anyone or anything. All she knows is destruction. Be safe and stay strong.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 27, 2024, 06:36:57 AM
Helene doesn't seem to care about anyone or anything.
I prefer when the hurricanes are compassionate.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 27, 2024, 10:07:54 AM
I prefer when the hurricanes are compassionate.
Me too. A kinder, gentler hurricane would be much nicer than one who is "angry at the world". She's like the angry orcas and is clearly sending us a message when she sinks boats. Let's hope she is not like the moose in Alaska who have the right to kill humans without mercy. ::)
Helene has passed through the Charlotte and Triad NC metro.
I kept power and no flooding. Just a couple tree limbs down.
But going to Duke Energy - Power Outage Map web page, many not as lucky.
Lots of ugly flooding in NC.
Lucky to be only on the edge of the storm's path. Lots of rain, but wind gusts only about 20-25 mph. Lost power for a couple of hours. No big deal. Feel for those in Florida and in the path North-Northwest.
Some uncharted waters as far has rainfall and wind combinations in some areas. The one that some hopefully get a chance to tell their grandkids about.
Thanks Brother Muggsy and everyone.
We are on the east coast, lots of rain (about 4 inches), wind and misery but nothing serious. Never lost power.
Our concern goes to our fellow Floridians in the Big Bend region and to Atlanta and Nashville, where things will be pretty bad.
Less than two weeks ago, NC southern coast has 18 inches of rain.
Probably biggest storm no one has ever heard of.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/at-the-coast-18-inches-of-rain-at-carolina-beach-roads-washed-away-people-on-cars/ar-AA1qFWDu?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 27, 2024, 06:55:24 PM
Thanks Brother Muggsy and everyone.
We are on the east coast, lots of rain (about 4 inches), wind and misery but nothing serious. Never lost power.
Our concern goes to our fellow Floridians in the Big Bend region and to Atlanta and Nashville, where things will be pretty bad.
I'm glad you and your family are okay brother dgies.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 27, 2024, 12:10:51 AM
Lost Power . Storm Surge hitting at low tide . Dune is intact so far will find out scope of damage in AM .
Home : Small Part of Roof torn off. First Appointment with legitimate roofer on Halloween.
Business: low 6 figure losses due to power outage
390 western North Carolina roads closed except for emergency, power and road repair crews.
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/weather/helene-road-conditions/83-dc041666-993e-4fd6-865f-181cb8695717
Western North Carolina received major flooding.
https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2024/09/28/helene-in-nc-busick-received-nearly-30-inches-of-rain/75428189007/
I have a good friend in Asheville I still haven't heard from since he mentioned the high winds and flooding. I think he's up in the hills a bit so hopefully he's okay with no landslide issues.
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 28, 2024, 04:34:03 PM
390 western North Carolina roads closed except for emergency, power and road repair crews.
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/weather/helene-road-conditions/83-dc041666-993e-4fd6-865f-181cb8695717
Watching this area closely, as we have a lot of business interests .
No power for 24 hours in Indiana
Luckily the EV is powering the important items - tv, wifi, refrigerator
This morning, I was returning from San Francisco to Orlando and flew over the Big Bend region shortly before dawn.
There we no lights, anywhere.
Up until Tallahassee, there we lights everywhere. But as we got to the Big Bend, there were no lights anywhere until we passed Interstate 75.
It's amazing and our power company has a BIG job. But last Wednesday, there were more than 4,000 electrical trucks parked just outside the worst hit area, in the Villages.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 28, 2024, 06:08:23 PM
No power for 24 hours in Indiana
Luckily the EV is powering the important items - tv, wifi, refrigerator
Hope you get your power back soon.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 28, 2024, 05:54:34 PM
I have a good friend in Asheville I still haven't heard from since he mentioned the high winds and flooding. I think he's up in the hills a bit so hopefully he's okay with no landslide issues.
My mother-in-law was raised in Waynesville. Many relatives still living in the area. Haven't been able to reach my brother-in-law in Canton yet.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 28, 2024, 06:08:23 PM
No power for 24 hours in Indiana
Luckily the EV is powering the important items - tv, wifi, refrigerator
Drove through southern IN on the way to Louisville. Steady rain the whole way. Some wind. Didn't notice any flooding or power outages though. But guessing the worst of it was before we were driving through.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 26, 2024, 04:09:05 PM
Passing due west of the Gulf coast of the state right now. Heavy rains and some wind but nothing TOO crazy as of now, thankfully. Storm surge seems to be manageable.
Well this aged like milk in the South Florida sun...
Lost half power around 7:30 on Thursday night (half the lights in the apartment and outlets in the main room/kitchen) then fully lost power around 8:30. I had been assuring my wife we were fine because we never lost power during any storms the last 14 months and, speaking to our property management, they mentioned our complex never lost power during the chaos of Ian a few years ago either. Whoops.
Toughed it out Friday night, moved our fridge contents to the fridge at my office which fortunately had power. Duke Energy projects had Sunday night for resumption of power so we headed to my parents on Friday afternoon to get back into AC/electricity.
Speaking of my parents, they have a generator at their house so they were ok, but they were literal inches from major issues. They live in south St. Pete, in between the Skyway and the bridge to St Pete Beach, by Eckerd College. Thursday night, their street was majorly flooded, pictures of literal fish schooling by their front porch, etc... Water lapped up to their garage door but thankfully stopped there. Another 3-6 inches and they were flooded. So by Friday they were fine...minus hundreds of fish in the street (though many were carp from the lakes adjacent to them and not the inlets) :o. They got power back relatively quickly, I assume due to proximity to 2 large nursing home/assisted living centers.
Our power resumption projections got pushed back to Monday night...then randomly got messages at about 6PM last night that power was back so we were able to head home, which was a welcome relief.
It was the worst flooding in the Tampa/St Pete area in over 100 years. We have friends who had 3-4 feet of water in their houses. Dropped a dehumidifier off at one yesterday and the entire road up to their house was lined with discarded mattresses and couches. Just brutal.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 29, 2024, 09:32:51 AM
Well this aged like milk in the South Florida sun...
Lost half power around 7:30 on Thursday night (half the lights in the apartment and outlets in the main room/kitchen) then fully lost power around 8:30. I had been assuring my wife we were fine because we never lost power during any storms the last 14 months and, speaking to our property management, they mentioned our complex never lost power during the chaos of Ian a few years ago either. Whoops.
Toughed it out Friday night, moved our fridge contents to the fridge at my office which fortunately had power. Duke Energy projects had Sunday night for resumption of power so we headed to my parents on Friday afternoon to get back into AC/electricity.
Speaking of my parents, they have a generator at their house so they were ok, but they were literal inches from major issues. They live in south St. Pete, in between the Skyway and the bridge to St Pete Beach, by Eckerd College. Thursday night, their street was majorly flooded, pictures of literal fish schooling by their front porch, etc... Water lapped up to their garage door but thankfully stopped there. Another 3-6 inches and they were flooded. So by Friday they were fine...minus hundreds of fish in the street (though many were carp from the lakes adjacent to them and not the inlets) :o. They got power back relatively quickly, I assume due to proximity to 2 large nursing home/assisted living centers.
Our power resumption projections got pushed back to Monday night...then randomly got messages at about 6PM last night that power was back so we were able to head home, which was a welcome relief.
It was the worst flooding in the Tampa/St Pete area in over 100 years. We have friends who had 3-4 feet of water in their houses. Dropped a dehumidifier off at one yesterday and the entire road up to their house was lined with discarded mattresses and couches. Just brutal.
I'm sorry JWags. Asheville looks terrible as well.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 29, 2024, 09:32:51 AM
Well this aged like milk in the South Florida sun...
Lost half power around 7:30 on Thursday night (half the lights in the apartment and outlets in the main room/kitchen) then fully lost power around 8:30. I had been assuring my wife we were fine because we never lost power during any storms the last 14 months and, speaking to our property management, they mentioned our complex never lost power during the chaos of Ian a few years ago either. Whoops.
Toughed it out Friday night, moved our fridge contents to the fridge at my office which fortunately had power. Duke Energy projects had Sunday night for resumption of power so we headed to my parents on Friday afternoon to get back into AC/electricity.
Speaking of my parents, they have a generator at their house so they were ok, but they were literal inches from major issues. They live in south St. Pete, in between the Skyway and the bridge to St Pete Beach, by Eckerd College. Thursday night, their street was majorly flooded, pictures of literal fish schooling by their front porch, etc... Water lapped up to their garage door but thankfully stopped there. Another 3-6 inches and they were flooded. So by Friday they were fine...minus hundreds of fish in the street (though many were carp from the lakes adjacent to them and not the inlets) :o. They got power back relatively quickly, I assume due to proximity to 2 large nursing home/assisted living centers.
Our power resumption projections got pushed back to Monday night...then randomly got messages at about 6PM last night that power was back so we were able to head home, which was a welcome relief.
It was the worst flooding in the Tampa/St Pete area in over 100 years. We have friends who had 3-4 feet of water in their houses. Dropped a dehumidifier off at one yesterday and the entire road up to their house was lined with discarded mattresses and couches. Just brutal.
Hope all is OK with you and your family. Stay strong.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 29, 2024, 09:32:51 AM
Well this aged like milk in the South Florida sun...
Lost half power around 7:30 on Thursday night (half the lights in the apartment and outlets in the main room/kitchen) then fully lost power around 8:30. I had been assuring my wife we were fine because we never lost power during any storms the last 14 months and, speaking to our property management, they mentioned our complex never lost power during the chaos of Ian a few years ago either. Whoops.
Toughed it out Friday night, moved our fridge contents to the fridge at my office which fortunately had power. Duke Energy projects had Sunday night for resumption of power so we headed to my parents on Friday afternoon to get back into AC/electricity.
Speaking of my parents, they have a generator at their house so they were ok, but they were literal inches from major issues. They live in south St. Pete, in between the Skyway and the bridge to St Pete Beach, by Eckerd College. Thursday night, their street was majorly flooded, pictures of literal fish schooling by their front porch, etc... Water lapped up to their garage door but thankfully stopped there. Another 3-6 inches and they were flooded. So by Friday they were fine...minus hundreds of fish in the street (though many were carp from the lakes adjacent to them and not the inlets) :o. They got power back relatively quickly, I assume due to proximity to 2 large nursing home/assisted living centers.
Our power resumption projections got pushed back to Monday night...then randomly got messages at about 6PM last night that power was back so we were able to head home, which was a welcome relief.
It was the worst flooding in the Tampa/St Pete area in over 100 years. We have friends who had 3-4 feet of water in their houses. Dropped a dehumidifier off at one yesterday and the entire road up to their house was lined with discarded mattresses and couches. Just brutal.
Great to hear that you and your family have stayed safe. Sadly, these storms - and worse - look like they will continue. The rapid intensification seems to be happening over and over.
Helene intensified rapidly, took an unprecedented path, and dropped two feet of rain in hilly areas that were not prepared for it. A case can be made that there is really no way to hurricane-proof some of these areas. The topography simply won't allow it. And an argument can be made that the local residents could/should have evacuated. To where? And, this has never happened before in that area.
Prayers for those impacted.
Quote from: tower912 on September 30, 2024, 06:49:24 AM
Helene intensified rapidly, took an unprecedented path, and dropped two feet of rain in hilly areas that were not prepared for it. A case can be made that there is really no way to hurricane-proof some of these areas. The topography simply won't allow it. And an argument can be made that the local residents could/should have evacuated. To where? And, this has never happened before in that area.
Prayers for those impacted.
My wife and I often say that one of the things we liked about living in Charlotte was that even though it's within 2-3 hours of the mountains and the beach, it was far enough inland to safe from severe weather. But Helene could have devastated Charlotte just as it did Asheville, Boone, etc. Just dumb luck that it missed the nation's 15th-largest city this time.
Flash floods wrecked havoc here in Connecticut in mid-August. A few hilly towns near Waterbury saw a storm drop over 12" rain in a few hours. People that have never even sniffed flooding lost homes. One minute every thing was fine and the next they were flooded out.
2 people died. They were rescuing people off of roofs
Helene was even bigger storm over a longer period of time and the video I saw is unbelievable. It's going to take a long time for those people to have their lives put back together. That is those who survived .
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 28, 2024, 05:54:34 PM
I have a good friend in Asheville I still haven't heard from since he mentioned the high winds and flooding. I think he's up in the hills a bit so hopefully he's okay with no landslide issues.
Same here. A cousin near Black Mountain.
Quote from: tower912 on September 30, 2024, 06:49:24 AM
Helene intensified rapidly, took an unprecedented path, and dropped two feet of rain in hilly areas that were not prepared for it. A case can be made that there is really no way to hurricane-proof some of these areas. The topography simply won't allow it. And an argument can be made that the local residents could/should have evacuated. To where? And, this has never happened before in that area.
Prayers for those impacted.
Actually, it happens more often than you think in that area.
https://smokymountainnews.com/archives/item/36735-siren-warning-system-will-alert-haywood-residents-to-flooding
https://smokymountainnews.com/archives/item/27037-2004-floods-ravage-western-north-carolina
Good new, last night my brother and sister inlaw were able to TXT that they were ok. They are still without power but at my sister in laws parents who also live in Canton and with power.
Now have to find out about Aunts, Uncles and Cousins.
Quote from: MU82 on September 30, 2024, 07:53:07 AM
My wife and I often say that one of the things we liked about living in Charlotte was that even though it's within 2-3 hours of the mountains and the beach, it was far enough inland to safe from severe weather. But Helene could have devastated Charlotte just as it did Asheville, Boone, etc. Just dumb luck that it missed the nation's 15th-largest city this time.
I am off of I-85 north of Charlotte, but I was telling my wife the same thing. There was no reason in the world that what happened in western North Carolina could not have been our area.
Mom and sister a few miles from TPA got 2 feet of water, never had a drop of water in the house for 20+ years.
Small electrical fire, but all are safe and water has receded. But they are not doing great.
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 30, 2024, 10:39:30 AM
I am off of I-85 north of Charlotte, but I was telling my wife the same thing. There was no reason in the world that what happened in western North Carolina could not have been our area.
If the storm had not turned towards Western NC, there is no doubt that it could have clobbered us, near the Eastern slope of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Happened way back in '69 in our lightly populated county with over 100 people drowning and devastation like Asheville's.
Was on a family vacation (cruise from Tampa to Mexico x2, Honduras and Belize) when the storm hit. Our return to Tampa was delayed 36 hours due to survey of port/assessment of damages. For what it's worth, everything looked pretty much like it did when we left...maybe a little bit of debris.
Ride home up I-75 was a different story. In about an 80-100 mile stretch from north FL through south GA, lots of snapped off trees as well as blown over trees, all laying in same direction pointing roughly northwest so I guess this must have been where the eastern edge of the storm passed. Most billboards constructed of wood framing were demolished although the metal units seemed to withstand better, but 90% of the vinyls were gone or severely damaged. Many roadside signs were bent, many almost all the way to the ground. Some roof and building damage in Valdosta, which seemed to be the hardest hit area we drove through.
We live roughly 30 miles north of city of Atlanta, and while I haven't yet been outside to look around the house, nothing seems to be amiss at our place. Neighbors said we had lot of rain (7-8 inches) but over a long period of time and without the deluges that really seem to trigger the worst flooding. Lucked out.
Quote from: Jockey on September 30, 2024, 10:05:52 AM
Same here. A cousin near Black Mountain.
I was only living there during the blizzard of April 1987.
18 inches of snow in Winston-Salem.
I'm not placing blame on anyone but isn't this a situation, in Asheville and other spots, where our coast guard or military could provide immediate help? I understand it's impossible to predict exactly where a hurricane is going to hit, or have catastrophic consequences, but I think we need to reexamine our play book on how to handle these issues. From everything I've read Asheville is in dire need right now.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 30, 2024, 01:57:28 PM
I'm not placing blame on anyone but isn't this a situation, in Asheville and other spots, where our coast guard or military could provide immediate help? I understand it's impossible to predict exactly where a hurricane is going to hit, or have catastrophic consequences, but I think we need to reexamine our play book on how to handle these issues. From everything I've read Asheville is in dire need right now.
When the going gets tough, the tough get going
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 30, 2024, 01:57:28 PM
I'm not placing blame on anyone but isn't this a situation, in Asheville and other spots, where our coast guard or military could provide immediate help? I understand it's impossible to predict exactly where a hurricane is going to hit, or have catastrophic consequences, but I think we need to reexamine our play book on how to handle these issues. From everything I've read Asheville is in dire need right now.
The National Guard is on the ground in Asheville right now.
USAR teams from all over are either in the area or en route.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 30, 2024, 02:00:56 PM
The National Guard is on the ground in Asheville right now.
It was in the news here yesterday that Connecticut National Guardsmen were headed to NC.
I'm sure other states are sending also.
Quote from: tower912 on September 30, 2024, 02:03:50 PM
USAR teams from all over are either in the area or en route.
It should have happened far more quickly imo.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 30, 2024, 02:38:06 PM
It should have happened far more quickly imo.
The troops could have formed a human wall to stop the water had they been there earlier
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 30, 2024, 01:57:28 PM
I'm not placing blame on anyone but isn't this a situation, in Asheville and other spots, where our coast guard or military could provide immediate help? I understand it's impossible to predict exactly where a hurricane is going to hit, or have catastrophic consequences, but I think we need to reexamine our play book on how to handle these issues. From everything I've read Asheville is in dire need right now.
WGAF there are no manatees in Asheville.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 30, 2024, 02:38:06 PM
It should have happened far more quickly imo.
Michigan team left Thursday, arriving Friday afternoon. I am confident they were not the only ones, as Governor Cooper declared the state of emergency on Thursday.
Yeah, Muggsy I have no idea what you thought should have happened here.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 30, 2024, 03:28:23 PM
Yeah, Muggsy I have no idea what you thought should have happened here.
If we deploy national guard or coast guard early to where the path is projected and the lath switches, wouldn't it be more logistically difficult to redeploy?
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on September 30, 2024, 11:38:38 AM
I was only living there during the blizzard of April 1987.
18 inches of snow in Winston-Salem.
I was living there during that storm. Went up to Winterplace in WV the day before to go skiing. We knew the owner and he invited us to stay overnight and ski the next day. I said no I needed to get back for work. Driving back I realized it was going to be a heck of a storm and then of course the city was shut down for multiple days. Thank goodness the 7-Eleven was within walking distance.
I could've been skiing powder with no one else on the slopes for a couple days, but instead was trapped in my apartment in Winston Salem.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 30, 2024, 03:28:23 PM
Yeah, Muggsy I have no idea what you thought should have happened here.
I don't know if it's a bit or trolling or what ... But his posts repeatedly demonstrate a total lack of acceptance of realty
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 30, 2024, 03:31:29 PM
I was living there during that storm. Went up to Winterplace in WV the day before to go skiing. We knew the owner and he invited us to stay overnight and ski the next day. I said no I needed to get back for work. Driving back I realized it was going to be a heck of a storm and then of course the city was shut down for multiple days. Thank goodness the 7-Eleven was within walking distance.
I could've been skiing powder with no one else on the slopes for a couple days, but instead was trapped in my apartment in Winston Salem.
A good story never starts with, "So I decided to do the responsible thing. I went back to work to move my project forward."
You could've had a story to tell the grandkids. Instead, you were probably on Scoop all day.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 30, 2024, 03:28:23 PM
Yeah, Muggsy I have no idea what you thought should have happened here.
5 point plan.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 30, 2024, 04:06:17 PM
A good story never starts with, "So I decided to do the responsible thing. I went back to work to move my project forward."
You could've had a story to tell the grandkids. Instead, you were probably on Scoop all day.
Yeah not one of my prouder moments! 😡
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 30, 2024, 02:39:24 PM
The troops could have formed a human wall to stop the water had they been there earlier
I hope the telecom companies are making sure to throttle the data speeds if the emergency response teams are using more than their fair share!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 30, 2024, 04:06:17 PM
A good story never starts with, "So I decided to do the responsible thing. I went back to work to move my project forward."
You could've had a story to tell the grandkids. Instead, you were probably on Scoop all day.
Yea, it's better to be "responsible" like in a Chicago blizzard in my mid 20s. Office closed early in anticipation of the nights storm, but instead of going home like a wise person, I caught a cab with a few friends/coworkers to one of their apartment. It happened to be above a bar (Glascotts for all you LP vets). Had a few drinks there before we realized "oh it's snowing harder than we thought". Wasn't drunk but buzzed enough to think "I'll walk and grab a car" on the way, cause there were none coming down Halsted
This was a year or two pre Uber so looking for a cab. Well we got like a foot of snow in a few hours so the sidewalks and curb were buried by plow so I stumbled down Lincoln, seeing zero cabs, dodging cars in loafers and carrying a work bag a good 2 miles back to Old Town. I don't think I've ever had tunnel vision like I had that last half mile. Last time I was ever cavalier about traversing a snow or rainstorm.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 30, 2024, 01:57:28 PM
I'm not placing blame on anyone but isn't this a situation, in Asheville and other spots, where our coast guard or military could provide immediate help? I understand it's impossible to predict exactly where a hurricane is going to hit, or have catastrophic consequences, but I think we need to reexamine our play book on how to handle these issues. From everything I've read Asheville is in dire need right now.
Great point.
Then once they are done, they can all drive out to California to rake the debris in the forests.
Things really are so easy.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 30, 2024, 03:59:37 PM
I don't know if it's a bit or trolling or what ... But his posts repeatedly demonstrate a total lack of acceptance of realty
And you are just
now figuring that out? He lives happily in LaLa land.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on September 27, 2024, 04:54:24 PM
Lucky to be only on the edge of the storm's path. Lots of rain, but wind gusts only about 20-25 mph. Lost power for a couple of hours. No big deal. Feel for those in Florida and in the path North-Northwest.
#edging
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on September 30, 2024, 05:58:59 PM
And you are just now figuring that out? He lives happily in LaLa land.
How creative of you to use my terminology to attack me! Lol!!
Quote from: MU82 on September 30, 2024, 04:48:52 PM
5 point plan.
I'm grateful that 🇮🇱 enacted #2 from my 5 point plan, subset C, #17. Nasrallah being introduced to darkness was fantastic. And whoever is next in line? Batter up. My only regret is that the AP, NYT, and Washington Post weren't included in my plan. Their sychohphantic words about this guy was beyond inexcusable and disgusting. And it will not be forgotten.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 30, 2024, 06:52:20 PM
I'm grateful that 🇮🇱 enacted #2 from my 5 point plan, subset C, #17. Nasrallah being introduced to darkness was fantastic. And whoever is next in line? Batter up. My only regret is that the AP, NYT, and Washington Post weren't included in my plan. Their sychohphantic words about this guy was beyond inexcusable and disgusting. And it will not be forgotten.
What the eff are you talking about?
Roofers came to home to address repairs. Naturally they want to sell us a new roof .
Business losses confirmed in low six figures FL and NC
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 30, 2024, 06:45:15 PM
How creative of you to use my terminology to attack me! Lol!!
It's "terminology" that's been around
well before you were born. When did it become your personal property?
Quote from: MU82 on September 30, 2024, 07:08:48 PM
What the eff are you talking about?
Don't interrupt. He's on a roll. Who knows what revenge he will take against AP, NYT, and the Washington Post? I'm really scared.
For the last two decades, Americans have been flocking to southern and western parts of the country that also happen to be some of the nation's most disaster-prone areas.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/09/30/climate/americans-moving-hurricane-wildfire-risk.html?
Guess you joined the trend.
Welcome.
From the WSJ:
The Tampa Bay area enjoyed increasing home values, affordability and a growing population, but higher home insurance costs and the perennial threat of storms are starting to undermine the market. Even before Helene hit, homeowners were lowering their asking prices and dealing with flooding in areas with no flood history. While home prices have been flat, the area saw a 58% increase in supply in August compared with a year ago and a 10% decrease in demand, according to real-estate data and analytics firm Parcl Labs.
Gonna have to drive down to Tampa from Maryland, to bring my mom up to stay with us for awhile while my sister's house gets gutted. She unfortunately can't fly, so two 14 hour drives it is.
The plant manager in Tennessee who ordered his employees to work with the hurricane approaching......
Yeah.
Quote from: tower912 on October 02, 2024, 09:50:38 AM
The plant manager in Tennessee who ordered his employees to work with the hurricane approaching......
Yeah.
He told them they could leave when the parking lot started flooding.
What more do you want?
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 02, 2024, 09:54:03 AM
He told them they could leave when the parking lot started flooding.
What more do you want?
When the going gets tough, the tough get going
Quote from: reinko on October 02, 2024, 08:03:51 AM
Gonna have to drive down to Tampa from Maryland, to bring my mom up to stay with us for awhile while my sister's house gets gutted. She unfortunately can't fly, so two 14 hour drives it is.
Not going to find any sympathy from us that your mom's a terrorist.
But seriously that sucks all around, safe travels reinko.
Quote from: reinko on October 02, 2024, 08:03:51 AM
Gonna have to drive down to Tampa from Maryland, to bring my mom up to stay with us for awhile while my sister's house gets gutted. She unfortunately can't fly, so two 14 hour drives it is.
Amtrak won't work for her?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 02, 2024, 12:22:32 PM
Amtrak won't work for her?
Terrorists aren't allowed on Amtrak either.
Kudos to you for helping your mother out. If you hate driving long distances as much as I do (sounds like that is the case), double kudos.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 02, 2024, 12:22:32 PM
Amtrak won't work for her?
Lost ID + memory complications 😞
Quote from: reinko on October 02, 2024, 05:07:23 PM
Lost ID + memory complications 😞
Sorry to hear this. Towards the end of her life, my mother had some problems but could still manage somewhat. I learned to steer conversations to the past where she still had very clear memories rather than the present. I'm sure you have learned to adapt as well. I believe this helps them relax, reflecting on what they
know rather than getting anxious about not being able to follow a conversation in the present.
Quote from: reinko on October 02, 2024, 05:07:23 PM
Lost ID + memory complications 😞
Ah geeze, sorry man.
Thanks yall for the support.
Someone gave me the idea about flying into Orlando, renting a car there, drive to Tampa, then drive that back to MD. A bit more money, but you add up gas, a hotel and food, probably a wash, plus I save a 14 hour drive.
Just don't wanna risk trying to rent a car in TPA, my sister said rentals are hard to come by, MCO seems like a safer bet.
Any travel or logistics folks have any other ideas or thoughts?
Quote from: reinko on October 02, 2024, 07:52:38 PM
Thanks yall for the support.
Someone gave me the idea about flying into Orlando, renting a car there, drive to Tampa, then drive that back to MD. A bit more money, but you add up gas, a hotel and food, probably a wash, plus I save a 14 hour drive.
Just don't wanna risk trying to rent a car in TPA, my sister said rentals are hard to come by, MCO seems like a safer bet.
Any travel or logistics folks have any other ideas or thoughts?
This sounds like the best plan. As you said-probably a wash on expense, and not wearing yourself out driving 28 hours makes a whole lot of sense. I hope your mother likes dogs so that Charlie can do her part on welcoming your mother.
Quote from: reinko on October 02, 2024, 07:52:38 PM
Thanks yall for the support.
Someone gave me the idea about flying into Orlando, renting a car there, drive to Tampa, then drive that back to MD. A bit more money, but you add up gas, a hotel and food, probably a wash, plus I save a 14 hour drive.
Just don't wanna risk trying to rent a car in TPA, my sister said rentals are hard to come by, MCO seems like a safer bet.
Any travel or logistics folks have any other ideas or thoughts?
Sounds like a good plan. Getting out of Tampa may be the hardest part. Ordinarily you could go on I-75 and work your East over to I-95. Check the road conditions at the time. You may have to take I-4 and go East to I-95.
Get the full tank option when you rent the car, that way you won't have to scramble to find a gas station on the return to MCO.
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 02, 2024, 08:19:31 PM
on the return to MCO.
I believe he's running (one way, away) from MCO (the worst airport in the world, sorry reinko).
My parents were snowbirds in Winter Haven.
I would fly into MCO a couple times a year to visit them.
Just need to be aware of which terminal your airline is flying out of if you are departing or having someone pick you up.
The only issue I had is the rental car lines. My parents deceased in 2018, so it has been 6 years since flying into MCO, so things may have changed. But some of the rental car counters had lines that probably forced people to wait a couple of hours. Don't know if they lacked cars and hence were stalling. A couple times, although we had reservations with one company, because their line was so long, we simply went to another rental car company counter that had a shorter line.
A smaller airport near Orlando that may have flights is the Orlando/Sanford International Airport. Maybe reduced amount of busyness that comes with larger airports.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 30, 2024, 07:14:18 PM
Roofers came to home to address repairs. Naturally they want to sell us a new roof .
Business losses confirmed in low six figures FL and NC
Surely, you have insurance for both.
Quote from: NCMUFan on October 03, 2024, 03:19:54 AM
A smaller airport near Orlando that may have flights is the Orlando/Sanford International Airport. Maybe reduced amount of busyness that comes with larger airports.
I've taken an Uber from Tampa to Orlando once, they're quite close.
How the North Carolina Legislature Left Homes Vulnerable to Helene
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/03/climate/north-carolina-homes-helene-building-codes.html?
The amount of rain that Tropical Storm Helene unleashed over North Carolina was so intense, no amount of preparation could have entirely prevented the destruction that ensued.
But decisions made by state officials in the years leading up to Helene most likely made some of that damage worse, according to experts in building standards and disaster resilience.
Over the past 15 years, North Carolina lawmakers have rejected limits on construction on steep slopes, which might have reduced the number of homes lost to landslides; blocked a rule requiring homes to be elevated above the height of an expected flood; weakened protections for wetlands, increasing the risk of dangerous storm water runoff; and slowed the adoption of updated building codes, making it harder for the state to qualify for federal climate-resilience grants.
Quote from: MU82 on October 03, 2024, 09:48:40 AM
How the North Carolina Legislature Left Homes Vulnerable to Helene
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/03/climate/north-carolina-homes-helene-building-codes.html?
The amount of rain that Tropical Storm Helene unleashed over North Carolina was so intense, no amount of preparation could have entirely prevented the destruction that ensued.
But decisions made by state officials in the years leading up to Helene most likely made some of that damage worse, according to experts in building standards and disaster resilience.
Over the past 15 years, North Carolina lawmakers have rejected limits on construction on steep slopes, which might have reduced the number of homes lost to landslides; blocked a rule requiring homes to be elevated above the height of an expected flood; weakened protections for wetlands, increasing the risk of dangerous storm water runoff; and slowed the adoption of updated building codes, making it harder for the state to qualify for federal climate-resilience grants.
You'd be shocked to guess who voted against providing more funds for FEMA, too
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 03, 2024, 10:27:51 AM
You'd be shocked to guess who voted against providing more funds for FEMA, too
has weekend or heels up visited the the area yet? or are they still trying to get to Ohio?
It is interesting that you think having a president visiting the area has more positive impact on the victims than actually providing them money.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 03, 2024, 10:45:51 AM
It is interesting that you think having a president visiting the area has more positive impact on the victims than actually providing them money.
Or enact policy that would attempt to limit disaster damage
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 03, 2024, 10:27:51 AM
You'd be shocked to guess who voted against providing more funds for FEMA, too
https://www.newsweek.com/matt-gaetz-voted-against-fema-funding-before-hurricane-helene-hit-1961501
Quote from: MU82 on October 03, 2024, 09:48:40 AM
How the North Carolina Legislature Left Homes Vulnerable to Helene
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/03/climate/north-carolina-homes-helene-building-codes.html?
The amount of rain that Tropical Storm Helene unleashed over North Carolina was so intense, no amount of preparation could have entirely prevented the destruction that ensued.
But decisions made by state officials in the years leading up to Helene most likely made some of that damage worse, according to experts in building standards and disaster resilience.
Over the past 15 years, North Carolina lawmakers have rejected limits on construction on steep slopes, which might have reduced the number of homes lost to landslides; blocked a rule requiring homes to be elevated above the height of an expected flood; weakened protections for wetlands, increasing the risk of dangerous storm water runoff; and slowed the adoption of updated building codes, making it harder for the state to qualify for federal climate-resilience grants.
Unfortunately, it takes a disaster before many things ever change.
Quote from: NCMUFan on October 03, 2024, 11:42:46 AM
Unfortunately, it takes a disaster before many things ever change.
I wish that the disasters would at least lead to changes, but they often do not. The wildfires on the hillsides of California have not, to my knowledge, stopped people from building (or rebuilding) on the slopes. Beachfront homes are washed away, and replacements built in their place. I am not suggesting a total ban but rather some restrictions regarding terrain, setback from the high tide line, etc. In California, I believe that the fires are almost all conifer fires, trees loaded with highly volatile, nearly explosive resin.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 03, 2024, 10:45:51 AM
It is interesting that you think having a president visiting the area has more positive impact on the victims than actually providing them money.
There's a reason he's known as Rocket Buffoon
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 03, 2024, 08:32:32 AM
I've taken an Uber from Tampa to Orlando once, they're quite close.
Much closer than people realize. Its basically north side of Chicago to Milwaukee. We have a number of friends down here who do day trips to Disney with their kids. And not even a long stressful day.
Wake up, have breakfast, get in the car around 8-830, get there within an hour of park opening. Even if they stay till weekday park close at 6, they're home in time for a slightly late dinner.
Ive not needed to, cause I would be connecting regardless, but driving St Pete to MCO for a flight is a bit shorter than when I used to drive the from the MKE burbs to ORD for international flights.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 03, 2024, 12:07:19 PM
There's a reason he's known as Rocket Buffoon
Ask dubya about that sometime...got his a$$ kicked for a flyover a couple days late
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 03, 2024, 12:54:32 PM
Ask dubya about that sometime...got his a$$ kicked for a flyover a couple days late
He's a RINO
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 03, 2024, 12:54:32 PM
Ask dubya about that sometime...got his a$$ kicked for a flyover a couple days late
Sure, rocket, it was the flyover that was the problem, not the clownshow response from the federal government.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 03, 2024, 12:12:47 PM
Much closer than people realize. Its basically north side of Chicago to Milwaukee. We have a number of friends down here who do day trips to Disney with their kids. And not even a long stressful day.
Wake up, have breakfast, get in the car around 8-830, get there within an hour of park opening. Even if they stay till weekday park close at 6, they're home in time for a slightly late dinner.
Ive not needed to, cause I would be connecting regardless, but driving St Pete to MCO for a flight is a bit shorter than when I used to drive the from the MKE burbs to ORD for international flights.
Disney is not Orlando.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 03, 2024, 10:45:51 AM
It is interesting that you think having a president visiting the area has more positive impact on the victims than actually providing them money.
That's because politics for rocket is for show only. Substance is nothing. Performative is everything.
Remember, Trump threw paper towels to people in Puerto Rico on 10/3/2017 for the hurricane which occurred on 9/17/24.
Yet, I bet there was not a word spoken about how long it took for Trump to get down there at the time.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 03, 2024, 01:26:15 PM
That's because politics for rocket is for show only. Substance is nothing. Performative is everything.
Remember, Trump threw paper towels to people in Puerto Rico on 10/3/2017 for the hurricane which occurred on 9/17/24.
Yet, I bet there was not a word spoken about how long it took for Trump to get down there at the time.
To be fair, the convicted felon had a lot of tee times scheduled. Would have been hard to reschedule them
Quote from: JWags85 on October 03, 2024, 12:12:47 PM
Much closer than people realize. Its basically north side of Chicago to Milwaukee. We have a number of friends down here who do day trips to Disney with their kids. And not even a long stressful day.
Wake up, have breakfast, get in the car around 8-830, get there within an hour of park opening. Even if they stay till weekday park close at 6, they're home in time for a slightly late dinner.
Ive not needed to, cause I would be connecting regardless, but driving St Pete to MCO for a flight is a bit shorter than when I used to drive the from the MKE burbs to ORD for international flights.
I have a niece that was figured out she can fly from Milwaukee, spend the day @ Disney World and fly home that night for about $160. She has made a day trip twice this year already.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 03, 2024, 01:26:15 PM
That's because politics for rocket is for show only. Substance is nothing. Performative is everything.
Remember, Trump threw paper towels to people in Puerto Rico on 10/3/2017 for the hurricane which occurred on 9/17/24.
Yet, I bet there was not a word spoken about how long it took for Trump to get down there at the time.
Remember when Trump tried to block wildfire relief to California because the state didn't vote for him?
Or when the COVID response was a red state-blue state thing.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on October 03, 2024, 01:16:29 PM
Disney is not Orlando.
You're gonna be that dude? Magic Kingdom is 15 miles from MCO. Less than 20 from downtown Orlando. For the purposes of this discussion, its close enough unless you want to go "WELL AKSHULLY".
Literally nothing about my statement, either relative airport distance related to Chicago/MKE or easy day trip to Disney, would change if Magic Kingdom was in the dead center of Downtown Orlando. You act like its 50 miles and an hour away.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 03, 2024, 01:26:15 PM
That's because politics for rocket is for show only. Substance is nothing. Performative is everything.
Remember, Trump threw paper towels to people in Puerto Rico on 10/3/2017 for the hurricane which occurred on 9/17/24.
Yet, I bet there was not a word spoken about how long it took for Trump to get down there at the time.
Remember when he refused North Carolina aid after hurricane Matthew?
Quote from: Pakuni on October 03, 2024, 02:10:58 PM
Remember when Trump tried to block wildfire relief to California because the state didn't vote for him?
https://x.com/scottpwaldman/status/1841864748855402756?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg
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hearing heels up spent over $1.4 BILLION on illegals
that's criminal
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 03, 2024, 04:34:35 PM
hearing heels up spent over $1.4 BILLION on illegals
that's criminal
8.5 out of 10
Excellent work, Rocket Buffoon
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 03, 2024, 04:34:35 PM
hearing heels up spent over $1.4 BILLION on illegals
that's criminal
Haha
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on October 03, 2024, 01:42:54 PM
I have a niece that was figured out she can fly from Milwaukee, spend the day @ Disney World and fly home that night for about $160. She has made a day trip twice this year already.
Its become oddly popular. I remember a social media rabbit hole when I moved down here of people from all over the East Coast (DC area and North) who had season passes and regularly do day trips.
One person I saw did it with a connection which makes me question their mental sanity.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 03, 2024, 04:34:35 PM
hearing heels up spent over $1.4 BILLION on illegals
that's criminal
Is Heels Up an NGO? Where are they based?
Quote from: JWags85 on October 03, 2024, 05:09:30 PM
Is Heels Up an NGO? Where are they based?
A damp East Troy basement presumably full of black mold
hopefully they don't hand them their "windfall" $750 check with a W2 or 1099 form...living large tonight honey!! now if we could just find a nice warm and dry...wait...these people have lost everything while illegals are staying in nice warm hotel rooms, big screen tv's swimming pools saunas hot tubs...what a country eyn'a
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 03, 2024, 08:26:38 PM
hopefully they don't hand them their "windfall" $750 check with a W2 or 1099 form...living large tonight honey!! now if we could just find a nice warm and dry...wait...these people have lost everything while illegals are staying in nice warm hotel rooms, big screen tv's swimming pools saunas hot tubs...what a country eyn'a
lol.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 03, 2024, 08:26:38 PM
hopefully they don't hand them their "windfall" $750 check with a W2 or 1099 form...living large tonight honey!! now if we could just find a nice warm and dry...wait...these people have lost everything while illegals are staying in nice warm hotel rooms, big screen tv's swimming pools saunas hot tubs...what a country eyn'a
I like how quickly you changed the subject from presidents' actions following disasters to something else immediately after our fellow Scoopers showed how terribly your Fuhrer reacted to several of them.
Predictably, you pivoted to parroting his racist, fact-free diatribes.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 03, 2024, 08:26:38 PM
hopefully they don't hand them their "windfall" $750 check with a W2 or 1099 form...living large tonight honey!! now if we could just find a nice warm and dry...wait...these people have lost everything while illegals are staying in nice warm hotel rooms, big screen tv's swimming pools saunas hot tubs...what a country eyn'a
Guess we know who's been glued to Fox News today.
Rubes stay rubes.
In one of the more dishonest omissions ever seen on Fox News – which is saying something – viewers of Thursday's episodes of The Ingraham Angle, Jesse Watters Primetime, and Hannity were left with the impression that victims of Hurricane Helene are getting shafted by the federal government.https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/fox-news-hosts-dishonestly-cut-off-kamala-harris-speech-to-claim-hurricane-victims-are-only-getting-750/
Quote from: Pakuni on October 03, 2024, 09:31:19 PM
Guess we know who's been glued to Fox News today.
Rubes stay rubes.
In one of the more dishonest omissions ever seen on Fox News – which is saying something – viewers of Thursday's episodes of The Ingraham Angle, Jesse Watters Primetime, and Hannity were left with the impression that victims of Hurricane Helene are getting shafted by the federal government.
https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/fox-news-hosts-dishonestly-cut-off-kamala-harris-speech-to-claim-hurricane-victims-are-only-getting-750/
Rocket vomiting Fox News talking points? No way!
Quote from: Pakuni on October 03, 2024, 09:31:19 PM
Guess we know who's been glued to Fox News today.
Rubes stay rubes.
In one of the more dishonest omissions ever seen on Fox News – which is saying something – viewers of Thursday's episodes of The Ingraham Angle, Jesse Watters Primetime, and Hannity were left with the impression that victims of Hurricane Helene are getting shafted by the federal government.
https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/fox-news-hosts-dishonestly-cut-off-kamala-harris-speech-to-claim-hurricane-victims-are-only-getting-750/
Yeah, there are fewer than 5 guys on scoop that you can slowly watch them get their talking points during the day. It's real disheartening.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 03, 2024, 09:31:19 PM
Guess we know who's been glued to Fox News today.
Rubes stay rubes.
In one of the more dishonest omissions ever seen on Fox News – which is saying something – viewers of Thursday's episodes of The Ingraham Angle, Jesse Watters Primetime, and Hannity were left with the impression that victims of Hurricane Helene are getting shafted by the federal government.
https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/fox-news-hosts-dishonestly-cut-off-kamala-harris-speech-to-claim-hurricane-victims-are-only-getting-750/
so now MSNBC, abs, NBC, cbs, CNN, mother Jones, daily beast and all your other bs sources must be fighting back hard I see. whenever I see you guys go in to panic mode over stuff you guys are doing, or NOT doing, it's usually to try to arse cover or "spin"
when you've got a "media' monopoly against a few and just so ya know, I was born in a middle class family after falling out of a coconut tree trying to find this "opportunity" economy" thingy that's all the chit
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 04, 2024, 04:00:20 AM
so now MSNBC, abs, NBC, cbs, CNN, mother Jones, daily beast and all your other bs sources must be fighting back hard I see. whenever I see you guys go in to panic mode over stuff you guys are doing, or NOT doing, it's usually to try to arse cover or "spin"
when you've got a "media' monopoly against a few and just so ya know, I was born in a middle class family after falling out of a coconut tree trying to find this "opportunity" economy" thingy that's all the chit
7.5 out of 10
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2024, 05:58:28 AM
7.5 out of 10
sleeping in a little bit? next time set your scoop alarm for whenever I post...oh ya do that already, but hit the snooze
come on man! your scooper buds are counting on ya
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 04, 2024, 04:00:20 AM
so now MSNBC, abs, NBC, cbs, CNN, mother Jones, daily beast and all your other bs sources must be fighting back hard I see. whenever I see you guys go in to panic mode over stuff you guys are doing, or NOT doing, it's usually to try to arse cover or "spin"
when you've got a "media' monopoly against a few and just so ya know, I was born in a middle class family after falling out of a coconut tree trying to find this "opportunity" economy" thingy that's all the chit
Perhaps one day, you're going to realize how often your 'news' intentionally misleads you to provoke your weak emotional state and keep you tuning in.
Then again, you're a stubborn, narcissistic, old man with a superiority complex... so you'll probably take this foolishness to your grave.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 04, 2024, 06:03:46 AM
sleeping in a little bit? next time set your scoop alarm for whenever I post...oh ya do that already, but hit the snooze
come on man! your scooper buds are counting on ya
5.5 out of 10
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 04, 2024, 06:16:27 AM
Perhaps one day, you're going to realize how often your 'news' intentionally misleads you to provoke your weak emotional state and keep you tuning in.
Then again, you're a stubborn, narcissistic, old man with a superiority complex... so you'll probably take this foolishness to your grave.
Do some research, Hards. You won't see Joy Behar report the truth
https://x.com/mtgreenee/status/1842039774359462324?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2024, 07:18:18 AM
Do some research, Hards. You won't see Joy Behar report the truth
https://x.com/mtgreenee/status/1842039774359462324?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
@3YearLetterman continues to be the best thing on Twitter.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 04, 2024, 07:46:12 AM
@3YearLetterman continues to be the best thing on Twitter.
He's an equal opportunity poster, too
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2024, 07:18:18 AM
Do some research, Hards. You won't see Joy Behar report the truth
https://x.com/mtgreenee/status/1842039774359462324?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
So true. One guy could even do it with a Sharpie.
Quote from: MU82 on October 04, 2024, 08:24:06 AM
So true. One guy could even do it with a Sharpie.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-once-suggested-china-shooting-us-with-man-made-hurricanes-2022-5
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2024, 07:18:18 AM
Do some research, Hards. You won't see Joy Behar report the truth
https://x.com/mtgreenee/status/1842039774359462324?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
I know someone who disagrees.
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Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 04, 2024, 04:00:20 AM
so now MSNBC, abs, NBC, cbs, CNN, mother Jones, daily beast and all your other bs sources must be fighting back hard I see. whenever I see you guys go in to panic mode over stuff you guys are doing, or NOT doing, it's usually to try to arse cover or "spin"
when you've got a "media' monopoly against a few and just so ya know, I was born in a middle class family after falling out of a coconut tree trying to find this "opportunity" economy" thingy that's all the chit
Haha you talking about other posters going into panic mode...
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 03, 2024, 01:26:15 PM
That's because politics for rocket is for show only. Substance is nothing. Performative is everything.
Yeah people have tried to engage with rocket to ask him for follow ups to the things he posts. And he either ignores those questions or responds with some sort of off-topic hyperbole. I don't know if its an act, or if he truly doesn't know how to put a cogent argument together or respond in ways other than basic talking points he heard somewhere.
Chose a poor role model.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 04, 2024, 10:54:58 AM
Yeah people have tried to engage with rocket to ask him for follow ups to the things he posts. And he either ignores those questions or responds with some sort of off-topic hyperbole. I don't know if its an act, or if he truly doesn't know how to put a cogent argument together or respond in ways other than basic talking points he heard somewhere.
I mean, he still thinks it's possible someone impersonated Keefe when he was doxxing Scoopers
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 04, 2024, 10:54:58 AM
Yeah people have tried to engage with rocket to ask him for follow ups to the things he posts. And he either ignores those questions or responds with some sort of off-topic hyperbole. I don't know if its an act, or if he truly doesn't know how to put a cogent argument together or respond in ways other than basic talking points he heard somewhere.
not everyone can spend their whole day on here like you, reeko, pak and a few others. I have other things that are going on, like work, golf, kids, grandkids etc etc
as I have just seen this from the top down, I will go back and read all the nice things you guys are saying about me and anyone else you disagree with...that just might be part of the problem as well, but I was just watching your hero ask-"what storm? oh that storm, well they are getting everything they need and they are all very happy"
rest my case
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 04, 2024, 06:13:42 PM
not everyone can spend their whole day on here like you, reeko, pak and a few others. I have other things that are going on, like work, golf, kids, grandkids etc etc
as I have just seen this from the top down, I will go back and read all the nice things you guys are saying about me and anyone else you disagree with...that just might be part of the problem as well, but I was just watching your hero ask-"what storm? oh that storm, well they are getting everything they need and they are all very happy"
rest my case
6.5 out of 10
October 1st: 10 am x2, 11am, 1 pm. October 2nd: 3pm.
October 3rd: 11 am, 1 pm, 4 pm, 8pm. October 4th: 4 am, 6 am, 6 pm.
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on October 04, 2024, 06:49:16 PM
October 1st: 10 am x2, 11am, 1 pm. October 2nd: 3pm.
October 3rd: 11 am, 1 pm, 4 pm, 8pm. October 4th: 4 am, 6 am, 6 pm.
I realize you are a creepy dude, but what the...
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 04, 2024, 07:20:15 PM
I realize you are a creepy dude, but what the...
I don't think he's a dentist
so glad everything is under control post Helene and now the country can get back to finding better homes, food, medical care and schooling for the illegals-gee, how could they ever pay us back??
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2024, 07:20:43 PM
I don't think he's a dentist
no doubt about that!! he doesn't have the gray matter to sweep the floors of the dental school
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 04, 2024, 07:24:37 PM
so glad everything is under control post Helene and now the country can get back to finding better homes, food, medical care and schooling for the illegals-gee, how could they ever pay us back??
9.5 out of 10
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 04, 2024, 07:24:37 PM
so glad everything is under control post Helene and now the country can get back to finding better homes, food, medical care and schooling for the illegals-gee, how could they ever pay us back??
You are obsessed with illegals.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 04, 2024, 07:40:53 PM
You are obsessed with illegals.
One of the great tricks of American politics dating back to our very first elections are using immigrants as a boogeyman. All political parties have been guilty of it.
Why is it used? It appeals to simple-minded people who are often racist, xenophobic or need to blame someone for their shortcomings and failures. It's an effective strategy to rally the worst kind of people
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2024, 07:47:57 PM
One of the great tricks of American politics dating back to our very first elections are using immigrants as a boogeyman. All political parties have been guilty of it.
Why is it used? It appeals to simple-minded people who are often racist, xenophobic or need to blame someone for their shortcomings and failures. It's an effective strategy to rally the worst kind of people
Yup. Fear mongering works.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 04, 2024, 06:13:42 PM
not everyone can spend their whole day on here like you, reeko, pak and a few others. I have other things that are going on, like work, golf, kids, grandkids etc etc
as I have just seen this from the top down, I will go back and read all the nice things you guys are saying about me and anyone else you disagree with...that just might be part of the problem as well, but I was just watching your hero ask-"what storm? oh that storm, well they are getting everything they need and they are all very happy"
rest my case
You don't have to read anything. Here is a question I have asked that you haven't answered.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59198.msg1678961#msg1678961
Quote from: wadesworld on October 04, 2024, 07:40:53 PM
You are obsessed with illegals.
Slight correction. He is obsessed by trump who is obsessed by illegals.
Florida person here. Still safe.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 04, 2024, 07:20:15 PM
I realize you are a creepy dude, but what the...
Two clicks to see what garbage you posted. It's not hard.
But then again you thought someone saying the town of which you constantly stated living in was doxxing.
I say this with unearned kindness but maybe you should talk to someone.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 04, 2024, 07:26:16 PM
no doubt about that!! he doesn't have the gray matter to sweep the floors of the dental school
I hope they found someone more capable than I to clean up all the crime scenes.
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on October 04, 2024, 10:49:37 PM
I hope they found someone more capable than I to clean up all the crime scenes.
The de-lousing station after being in the dental school is quite the ordeal
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2024, 07:47:57 PM
One of the great tricks of American politics dating back to our very first elections are using immigrants as a boogeyman. All political parties have been guilty of it.
Why is it used? It appeals to simple-minded people who are often racist, xenophobic or need to blame someone for their shortcomings and failures. It's an effective strategy to rally the worst kind of people
Worked like a charm for a German political party in the 1930s, too. Got rid of most of the vermin that was poisoning their blood.
I have an 'Irish need not apply' sign in my basement to remind me.
Here we go again. We have another hurricane coming next week, aimed at the west coast of Florida.
Those of us in the east will get several inches of rain while those in the west should get a hurricane. Pray for our brothers and sisters on the west coast as they batten down for another problem.
Stay safe west coasters.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 05, 2024, 05:02:43 PM
Here we go again. We have another hurricane coming next week, aimed at the west coast of Florida.
Those of us in the east will get several inches of rain while those in the west should get a hurricane. Pray for our brothers and sisters on the west coast as they batten down for another problem.
Stay safe west coasters.
dgies9156 :
Think this one is going to be worse for the whole state . My tracker is showing it emerges on the other side of the state as Cat 1
Batten down those hatches again.
I hope reinko has safely made it down and his hightailing it back to Md.
Quote from: tower912 on October 05, 2024, 11:58:56 AM
I have an 'Irish need not apply' sign in my basement to remind me.
I remember reading about signs outside of taverns way back then - "No dogs or Irish allowed".
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 05, 2024, 07:23:15 PM
I remember reading about signs outside of taverns way back then - "No dogs or Irish allowed".
I get the Irish thing but why the hate for man's best friend?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 05, 2024, 09:55:03 PM
I get the Irish thing but why the hate for man's best friend?
Dogs are terrible drunks
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 05, 2024, 06:51:57 PM
dgies9156 :
Think this one is going to be worse for the whole state . My tracker is showing it emerges on the other side of the state as Cat 1
And basically walking down the I-4 corridor. Lots of damage.
Alike like Wilma that barely lost strength as it crossed from west to east, this looks the same. Wilma hit our east coast house as a 3 even though it made landfall on the west coast.
ND sucks.
Be safe. Evacuate if you can. Although, after Helene, I am not sure where you could evacuate to.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 05, 2024, 09:55:03 PM
I get the Irish thing but why the hate for man's best friend?
Animals shouldn't be allowed inside of businesses that serve food?
dgies
I hope all of our scoop friends in FL, especially SW FL, have a safe week. Definitely keeping an eye on things and sending positive vibes down to FL.
Will this be Paradise Lost, by Milton?
Quote from: tower912 on October 06, 2024, 12:41:50 PM
Will this be Paradise Lost, by Milton?
This thing isn't coming ashore anywhere close to Milton.
Fair. That was the last one.
Finally heard from my cousin. Bad flooding - stranded for 3 days with no power. House will be salvageable but her daughter's house is gone.
To make things worse - when she finally contacted family in Kenosha she leather brother died unexpectedly last week.
Scoopers, be thankful for your good lives. I left home Friday for a monthlong vacation and I will be appreciative for every minute.
Quote from: Jockey on October 06, 2024, 12:53:29 PM
Scoopers, be thankful for your good lives.
This can never be said often enough.
Latest track is more south, good news for storm surge in Tampa Bay. Bad news for us and folks south of Tampa.
Not sure what our little ones in Orlando are going to do now. The plan was to have them come down here.
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 06, 2024, 12:59:20 PM
Latest track is more south, good news for storm surge in Tampa Bay. Bad news for us and folks south of Tampa.
Not sure what our little ones in Orlando are going to do now. The plan was to have them come down here.
We better send the army there
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2024, 01:37:01 PM
Troops can stop a hurricane
Via drone attack on the people controlling the weather.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2024, 01:32:58 PM
We better send the army there
Don't worry. Joe and Kamala will guide the storm to a red area of the state.
Quote from: Jockey on October 06, 2024, 01:46:25 PM
Don't worry. Joe and Kamala will guide the storm to a red area of the state.
Probably. Pudding Fingers better get the boots with the lifts on
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2024, 01:48:30 PM
Probably. Pudding Fingers better get the boots with the lifts on
Rhonda loves playing dress up.
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 06, 2024, 12:59:20 PM
Latest track is more south, good news for storm surge in Tampa Bay. Bad news for us and folks south of Tampa.
Not sure what our little ones in Orlando are going to do now. The plan was to have them come down here.
Yea, relative good news for the TB area. Spent the morning and first half of the early games filling sandbags with/for my parents and assorted other people at the stations they've set up. Still gonna get wind, but this will hopefully mitigate the storm surge so quickly after Helene. As a silver lining, Helene def woke people up to prepare and get ready for Milton, which I don't think was the case pre-Helene, I was guilt myself. The projected surge if Milton didn't move south would have been just horrific so close after.
I would think your family in Orlando should probably be good to stay with the new path?
Quote from: Goose on October 06, 2024, 11:22:55 AM
dgies
I hope all of our scoop friends in FL, especially SW FL, have a safe week. Definitely keeping an eye on things and sending positive vibes down to FL.
Ditto. Well said Goose.
Quote from: tower912 on October 05, 2024, 07:04:58 PM
I hope reinko has safely made it down and his hightailing it back to Md.
Thanks tower, it's delayed my trip 😞, wil be down there as soon as it is safe.
Quote from: reinko on October 06, 2024, 08:22:38 PM
Thanks tower, it's delayed my trip 😞, wil be down there as soon as it is safe.
Hope your Mom is OK.
Thanks everybody for your kind thoughts. Ms. Dgies and I as well as our fellow Floridians appreciate your concerns.
Many of us, myself included, have been known to make fun of Floridians -- and with good reason. But like tornados, earthquakes and even bad blizzards, when this stuff happens, we stand together as one. For all its flaws, our state government and major private institutions in Florida are really good at hurricane recovery. After Hurricane Ian a few years ago, thousands of utility trucks and Publix trucks waited just outside the impact zone to get the power on and provide water and other essentials.
Ms. Dgies and I are in Hungary this week on a long planned Danube cruise. So we will be safe. But please keep our fellow Floridians in your prayers this week.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 06, 2024, 03:44:46 PM
Yea, relative good news for the TB area. Spent the morning and first half of the early games filling sandbags with/for my parents and assorted other people at the stations they've set up. Still gonna get wind, but this will hopefully mitigate the storm surge so quickly after Helene. As a silver lining, Helene def woke people up to prepare and get ready for Milton, which I don't think was the case pre-Helene, I was guilt myself. The projected surge if Milton didn't move south would have been just horrific so close after.
I would think your family in Orlando should probably be good to stay with the new path?
I suspect the track will move a bit both directions in the coming days. Right now, one headed home, one staying. With the storm slowing, it gives her a bit more time to change her mind. One of her roommate's family is at ground zero in Sarasota. They just moved there last year. :'(
Sadly, wherever landfall occurs, it will be ugly.
Current expected track for Milton.
First time a hurricane went this way since 1867.
All of Marquette nation is rooting for you brother dgies. Please be safe.
Oh....you're in Hungary. I still hope your property survives.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 07, 2024, 07:22:02 AM
Current expected track for Milton.
First time a hurricane went this way since 1867.
Doesn't this seem odd to anyone? Especially during an election year
Quote from: 🏀 on October 07, 2024, 10:16:19 AM
What about nukes?
You can't nuke a hurricane because the government controls them both. The troops are anti-government and would be better suited to stop a hurricane, even if they are suckers and losers
11am track now back north, meaning that the storm surge would be ugly for the Tampa Bay area. And it walks right over Orlando.
It is also now a cat 4 with a projection of a cat 5. the 80 knot increase in 24 hours is the third fastest ever., after Wilma (2005) and Felix (2007).
Scary stuff. Wife's parents and brother are in the mandatory evacuation areas of Tampa.
Speaking of troops, a friend is in the Air Force and is stationed in Tampa these days. They got evacuation orders yesterday (or the day before) and they're leaving Tuesday.
You get what you pay for, I guess.
Overall, most respondents said that climate change sparked their concern for the well-being of future generations (68%). But less than half of all respondents (48%) said they would be willing to pay $10 a month to strengthen Florida's infrastructure to weather hazards.
https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/climate-resilience-survey
Quote from: Pakuni on October 07, 2024, 12:51:21 PM
You get what you pay for, I guess.
Overall, most respondents said that climate change sparked their concern for the well-being of future generations (68%). But less than half of all respondents (48%) said they would be willing to pay $10 a month to strengthen Florida's infrastructure to weather hazards.
https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/climate-resilience-survey
They'll be dead by then they don't care.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 07, 2024, 12:51:21 PM
You get what you pay for, I guess.
Overall, most respondents said that climate change sparked their concern for the well-being of future generations (68%). But less than half of all respondents (48%) said they would be willing to pay $10 a month to strengthen Florida's infrastructure to weather hazards.
Our governor turned down a couple hundred million to harden our infrastructure. But he will gladly take billions to rebuild.
https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/climate-resilience-survey
Tampa's trauma center and biggest hospital being in an island at sea level seems like poor emergency planning in the grand scheme of things.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/10/07/tampa-bay-flood-risk/
Fingers crossed it's not as bad as it currently looks like it could be.
Good friend from high school retired, bought his "dream house" in Bradenton, moved in three weeks ago...and is in the red zone for evacuation.
Category 5 Milton. Impressive growth today.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 07, 2024, 12:51:21 PM
You get what you pay for, I guess.
Overall, most respondents said that climate change sparked their concern for the well-being of future generations (68%). But less than half of all respondents (48%) said they would be willing to pay $10 a month to strengthen Florida's infrastructure to weather hazards.
https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/climate-resilience-survey
With all respect, we already are paying plenty. Our power bills have a fund that we pay into every month to ensure our utilities have funds to rebuild after hurricanes. Most oceanside counties have a beach replenishment tax that ensures our beaches are rebuilt after the hurricanes. And, have you read about our property casualty insurance rates?
Our infrastructure is battle hardened. Our power poles are concrete and we have the toughest building codes in the USA. Our home was built in 2007 and our windows can withstand a 160 mph impact.
Mom and her husband made the terrible decision to stay in Punta Gorda. They are about 14' above sea level and a bit inland, so probably will only get wind and rain. And, they literally just placed the last nail in their home renovation when they had substantial damage from Ian. They normally don't see the storm surge, but the Peace River could make things interesting. I told her to go to my place in New Smyrna Beach (I am in WI), won't be nearly as bad. I just don't get the stubbornness.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 07, 2024, 02:16:07 PM
With all respect, we already are paying plenty. Our power bills have a fund that we pay into every month to ensure our utilities have funds to rebuild after hurricanes. Most oceanside counties have a beach replenishment tax that ensures our beaches are rebuilt after the hurricanes. And, have you read about our property casualty insurance rates?
Our infrastructure is battle hardened. Our power poles are concrete and we have the toughest building codes in the USA. Our home was built in 2007 and our windows can withstand a 160 mph impact.
Guess there's nothing worry about, then.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 07, 2024, 02:23:48 PM
Guess there's nothing worry about, then.
Indeed. Glad to hear it.
Dgies is right about the insurance, though. It's outrageous
21Jump
Sending positive vibes down to your Mom. This storm definitely has my attention. I have a good deal of family and friends in SW FL and hoping everyone is safe.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 07, 2024, 02:25:09 PM
Dgies is right about the insurance, though. It's outrageous
That's capitalism, baby! Insurance companies don't like the situation? Just leave the state.
Thankfully the insurance companies behave totally differently with healthcare so we should abolish government controls on them like the ACA.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 07, 2024, 02:49:48 PM
That's capitalism, baby! Insurance companies don't like the situation? Just leave the state.
Thankfully the insurance companies behave totally differently with healthcare so we should abolish government controls on them like the ACA.
Curious. Very curious.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 07, 2024, 02:25:09 PM
Dgies is right about the insurance, though. It's outrageous
Sure, but I'm not sure what that has to do with public roads and bridges.
Glad that dgies has good windows, and I hope they withstand what's coming, but again, I'm not sure what that has to do with public roads and bridges. Or how that helps the millions of Floridians not in his income bracket.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 07, 2024, 02:49:48 PM
That's capitalism, baby! Insurance companies don't like the situation? Just leave the state.
Thankfully the insurance companies behave totally differently with healthcare so we should abolish government controls on them like the ACA.
Similarly with how covid actions happened, you were often able to gauge severity based on what large companies protecting their bottom line would do (aka all the tech companies going full remote early on).
If the actuaries are telling you to leave a market. It's probably a bad sign for the climate.
Tough break for Rocket Buffoon
https://www.businessinsider.com/pete-buttigieg-elon-musk-hurricane-helene-call-best-thing-2024-10
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 07, 2024, 03:26:17 PM
Tough break for Rocket Buffoon
https://www.businessinsider.com/pete-buttigieg-elon-musk-hurricane-helene-call-best-thing-2024-10
you really are dug in here oh "gate keeper"
can't get past the paywall and not about to just because it's some garbage you put out there. i'd rather donate my dollar(s) to hurricane people since fema is running in the red zone and hasn't received their newly printed money yet, but have to wait their turn as it seems the hierarchy goes, illegals, lebanon, ukraine...then US
Peter b is the bomb!
not sure what the tough break for me is, my place is dry in Az last I checked. golf courses are going thru their stages of overseed and should be ready for me in about 3 weeks which is when I plan on heading down. only thing I need to worry about are the illegals-the ones getting all the money that should have been readily available for our own poor tax paying Americans who's homes have been or will about to be washed away
for all of you Floridians, full or part time, families and friends-my prayers are with ya'll
Quote from: Goose on October 07, 2024, 02:49:09 PM
21Jump
Sending positive vibes down to your Mom. This storm definitely has my attention. I have a good deal of family and friends in SW FL and hoping everyone is safe.
Appreciate it, Goose, and sending all mine to your family and friends. Hoping it's not as bad as it appears it might be.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 07, 2024, 03:40:37 PM
you really are dug in here oh "gate keeper"
can't get past the paywall and not about to just because it's some garbage you put out there. i'd rather donate my dollar(s) to hurricane people since fema is running in the red zone and hasn't received their newly printed money yet, but have to wait their turn as it seems the hierarchy goes, illegals, lebanon, ukraine...then US
Peter b is the bomb!
not sure what the tough break for me is, my place is dry in Az last I checked. golf courses are going thru their stages of overseed and should be ready for me in about 3 weeks which is when I plan on heading down. only thing I need to worry about are the illegals-the ones getting all the money that should have been readily available for our own poor tax paying Americans who's homes have been or will about to be washed away
for all of you Floridians, full or part time, families and friends-my prayers are with ya'll
You haven't answered my question about Musk and X yet.
https://x.com/jakebrodes/status/1843292820192555196?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg
Quote from: Pakuni on October 07, 2024, 03:05:35 PM
Sure, but I'm not sure what that has to do with public roads and bridges.
Glad that dgies has good windows, and I hope they withstand what's coming, but again, I'm not sure what that has to do with public roads and bridges. Or how that helps the millions of Floridians not in his income bracket.
Brother Pakuni:
I suspect you don't live in Florida. If you did, you would know that after Ian, our state government had destroyed bridges to barrier islands on the west coast rebuilt in seven days. As a resident, you also would know that public safety and our national guard were on the barrier islands and in areas hard hit almost immediately. The goal was wellness checks on our citizenry who weren't wise enough to leave.
Even our governor was a voice of reason.
We can debate whether Florida is an inviting state for those "who aren't in my income bracket", whatever you think that might be. But lets leave aspersions about recovery out of this. We are not Louisiana!
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 07, 2024, 04:00:24 PM
Brother Pakuni:
I suspect you don't live in Florida. If you did, you would know that after Ian, our state government had destroyed bridges to barrier islands on the west coast rebuilt in seven days. As a resident, you also would know that public safety and our national guard were on the barrier islands and in areas hard hit almost immediately. The goal was wellness checks on our citizenry who weren't wise enough to leave.
Even our governor was a voice of reason.
We can debate whether Florida is an inviting state for those "who aren't in my income bracket", whatever you think that might be. But lets leave aspersions about recovery out of this. We are not Louisiana!
Brother dgies,
I didn't write anything about recovery.
I'm not an expert on the economics of hurricane recovery, but I suspect it may be more cost-effective in the long run to build hurricane proof/resistant infrastructure than it is to send in the National Guard and emergency construction crews every time a big storm comes through.
And if $10 a month helps accomplish that, it seems like a small price to pay. You're going to pay either way, so why not be smart about it?
As always, you're free to disagree.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 07, 2024, 04:08:26 PM
Brother dgies,
I didn't write anything about recovery.
I'm not an expert on the economics of hurricane recovery, but I suspect it may be more cost-effective in the long run to build hurricane proof/resistant infrastructure than it is to send in the National Guard and emergency construction crews every time a big storm comes through.
And if $10 a month helps accomplish that, it seems like a small price to pay. You're going to pay either way, so why not be smart about it?
As always, you're free to disagree.
As someone in healthcare, it's always cheaper and better outcomes to respond to an emergency than try to prevent it.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 07, 2024, 03:40:37 PM
you really are dug in here oh "gate keeper"
can't get past the paywall and not about to just because it's some garbage you put out there. i'd rather donate my dollar(s) to hurricane people since fema is running in the red zone and hasn't received their newly printed money yet, but have to wait their turn as it seems the hierarchy goes, illegals, lebanon, ukraine...then US
Peter b is the bomb!
not sure what the tough break for me is, my place is dry in Az last I checked. golf courses are going thru their stages of overseed and should be ready for me in about 3 weeks which is when I plan on heading down. only thing I need to worry about are the illegals-the ones getting all the money that should have been readily available for our own poor tax paying Americans who's homes have been or will about to be washed away
for all of you Floridians, full or part time, families and friends-my prayers are with ya'll
9 out of 10
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 07, 2024, 03:41:49 PM
You haven't answered my question about Musk and X yet.
He doesn't know the answer because he's a buffoon.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 07, 2024, 04:08:26 PM
Brother dgies,
I didn't write anything about recovery.
I'm not an expert on the economics of hurricane recovery, but I suspect it may be more cost-effective in the long run to build hurricane proof/resistant infrastructure than it is to send in the National Guard and emergency construction crews every time a big storm comes through.
And if $10 a month helps accomplish that, it seems like a small price to pay. You're going to pay either way, so why not be smart about it?
As always, you're free to disagree.
I get what you are saying and our state is doing its best to harden our infrastructure.
Is it good enough? Maybe not. Any engineer can point out things we could do better. But with 23 million people and more coastline than just about any other state outside Alaska, we're doing pretty good.
You should see the screaming now after the Sunrise collapse caused our legislature to pass a law requiring minimum standards for state of good repair on condos. I'm delighted our legislature and governor hasn't budged on this one, despite painful pressure. But is has not been easy.
And, we need to retrofit millions of buildings constructed before Andrew. This needs to happen and we will get there, but it takes time.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 07, 2024, 04:46:25 PM
I get what you are saying and our state is doing its best to harden our infrastructure.
Is it good enough? Maybe not. Any engineer can point out things we could do better. But with 23 million people and more coastline than just about any other state outside Alaska, we're doing pretty good.
You should see the screaming now after the Sunrise collapse caused our legislature to pass a law requiring minimum standards for state of good repair on condos. I'm delighted our legislature and governor hasn't budged on this one, despite painful pressure. But is has not been easy.
And, we need to retrofit millions of buildings constructed before Andrew. This needs to happen and we will get there, but it takes time.
Legislature is doing a great job of harden infrastructure, over many decades.
Looks like we are getting the worst combination of storm surge and wind damage in this storm from a business perspective.
Home already has roof damage from Helene, and am waiting on those repairs . Wonder if we lose the entire roof this go around.
Still dealing with impact in Western Carolina on operations.
Hopefully southwest, west coast, PNW, Great Plains, upper Midwest, rust belt, New England, upper Atlantic coast, DMV operations still running smoothly
Mom and sister are headed inland, my plans have now shifted to drive down there, and then drive back. I can rent a Prius up here in Maryland to save on gas, but also fill up in Northern Florida in case of gas shortages, plan is to leave early Friday or Saturday AM.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 07, 2024, 03:40:37 PM
you really are dug in here oh "gate keeper"
can't get past the paywall and not about to just because it's some garbage you put out there. i'd rather donate my dollar(s) to hurricane people since fema is running in the red zone and hasn't received their newly printed money yet, but have to wait their turn as it seems the hierarchy goes, illegals, lebanon, ukraine...then US
Peter b is the bomb!
not sure what the tough break for me is, my place is dry in Az last I checked. golf courses are going thru their stages of overseed and should be ready for me in about 3 weeks which is when I plan on heading down. only thing I need to worry about are the illegals-the ones getting all the money that should have been readily available for our own poor tax paying Americans who's homes have been or will about to be washed away
Like your Fuhrer, you lie so effortlessly.
Unlike your Fuhrer, your lies don't hurt people.
Quote from: reinko on October 07, 2024, 06:54:00 PM
Mom and sister are headed inland, my plans have now shifted to drive down there, and then drive back. I can rent a Prius up here in Maryland to save on gas, but also fill up in Northern Florida in case of gas shortages, plan is to leave early Friday or Saturday AM.
A good friend just drove from Tampa Bay to Orlando today in preparation for their flight out tomorrow morning. All of the tolls were open and the emergency lanes were open to allow for more traffic flow. It still took them 3 hours (!!) to make that short trip.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 07, 2024, 08:09:46 PM
A good friend just drove from Tampa Bay to Orlando today in preparation for their flight out tomorrow morning. All of the tolls were open and the emergency lanes were open to allow for more traffic flow. It still took them 3 hours (!!) to make that short trip.
All I know is I would get the H out of Tampa. 15 foot potential surges doesn't sound fun.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 07, 2024, 08:20:44 PM
All I know is I would get the H out of Tampa. 15 foot potential surges doesn't sound fun.
Not that easy. I-75 is gridlock, where do you go exactly and can you get enough gas to travel far enough away?
897 millibars. 180 mph winds. 4th strongest in recorded history.
Quote from: MU82 on October 07, 2024, 07:28:41 PM
Like your Fuhrer, you lie so effortlessly.
Unlike your Fuhrer, your lies don't hurt people.
you won't hear my facts on your msnbc's nbc's et.al. what a surprise-your "journalism" degree and it's "standards" have been abandoned and relegated to club sports. "journalism" is dead
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 08, 2024, 06:47:31 AM
you won't hear my facts on your msnbc's nbc's et.al. what a surprise-your "journalism" degree and it's "standards" have been abandoned and relegated to club sports. "journalism" is dead
What do you think is more likely, that your conspiracy theories are true and that you're in the small group of people that "get it" because you have rare information? Or that you're incorrect, like everyone that went to your university is telling you?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 08, 2024, 06:47:31 AM
you won't hear my facts on your msnbc's nbc's et.al. what a surprise-your "journalism" degree and it's "standards" have been abandoned and relegated to club sports. "journalism" is dead
9 out of 10
Fox News $787 million.
Alex Jones $1.5 billion.
Rudy Giuliani $150 million
Steve Bannon jail
Donald Trump roughly $500 million and 34 felonies.
Manafort, Flynn, Stone...
All for lying.
Haitians eating pets, non response to hurricanes, ivermectin, the lies never end.
Conspiracy theory media is as bad for the brain as sugar, pop, and thumbsucking are for teeth.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 07, 2024, 08:25:27 PM
Not that easy. I-75 is gridlock, where do you go exactly and can you get enough gas to travel far enough away?
Currently, 75 only has major slow downs at the merge with the turnpike.
Also southbound to Ft Lauderdale is open.
Take FL 60 east.
That being said, that they haven't done contra flow on 75 across Tampa bay is criminal.
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 08, 2024, 07:49:55 AM
Currently, 75 only has major slow downs at the merge with the turnpike.
Also southbound to Ft Lauderdale is open.
Take FL 60 east.
That being said, that they haven't done contra flow on 75 across Tampa bay is criminal.
Things can change in the next 24-48 hours but people must get out of there immediately. What else can be done pbi?
They can open the southbound lanes of I-75 to northbound traffic.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 08, 2024, 08:15:17 AM
Things can change in the next 24-48 hours but people must get out of there immediately. What else can be done pbi?
Deploy the marines
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2024, 08:24:15 AM
Deploy the marines
Is there a reason the airport can't be used today in Tampa?
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 08, 2024, 08:25:23 AM
Is there a reason the airport can't be used today in Tampa?
Biden shut it down according to Newsmax
Just heard from my friend who is out there. They left early this morning and, while busy, wasn't standstill by any stretch. They got a hotel near Gainesville where they are waiting it out.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2024, 08:25:54 AM
Biden shut it down according to Newsmax
Get cargo planes there, mobilize all airline carriers, and fly as many people out of there as possible.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 08, 2024, 08:35:05 AM
Get cargo planes there, mobilize all airline carriers, and fly as many people out of there as possible.
So your idea is to have people drive to the airport, have a bunch of airlines fly in and take passengers somewhere? And then return them at some point?
And if you would do a modicum of research, they need at least 24 hours to prepare due to flooding, etc. because they are in Zone A right next to the water.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 08, 2024, 08:49:28 AM
So your idea is to have people drive to the airport, have a bunch of airlines fly in and take passengers somewhere? And then return them at some point?
And if you would do a modicum of research, they need at least 24 hours to prepare due to flooding, etc. because they are in Zone A right next to the water.
Sadly, the woke Biden administration is flying illegals out first and giving them $15,000 stipends and barricading white communities from leaving and shooting down planes and helicopters with relief supplies
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 08, 2024, 08:49:28 AM
So your idea is to have people drive to the airport, have a bunch of airlines fly in and take passengers somewhere? And then return them at some point?
And if you would do a modicum of research, they need at least 24 hours to prepare due to flooding, etc. because they are in Zone A right next to the water.
I don't know if there's time. I was just thinking out loud. But right now they can fly people out of there.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2024, 08:25:54 AM
Biden shut it down according to Newsmax
I heard Taylor Swift requested the shutdown to gas up one of her jets.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 08, 2024, 09:11:25 AM
I heard Taylor Swift requested the shutdown to gas up one of her CAT'S jets.
Fify
Quote from: tower912 on October 08, 2024, 08:21:12 AM
They can open the southbound lanes of I-75 to northbound traffic.
Florida doesn't do that. They open the emergency lanes instead. 1-2 extra north bound lanes.
Allegedly they did a study to show that the resources to provide contra flow is not worth the benefit. Also, it then impedes things like fuel trucks and such from getting into the area.
BTW, I-4 is wide open until you get to Disney area, then use one of the two toll roads around Orlando to avoid that traffic.
I-75 south to Miami/FLL is wide open. Veteran's Parkway north will get you past most of the I-75 north slow down.
Hopefully, all the folks in the Villages have safely stored their scrunchies for the post hurricane celebration......
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2024, 08:52:36 AM
Sadly, the woke Biden administration is flying illegals out first and giving them $15,000 stipends and barricading white communities from leaving and shooting down planes and helicopters with relief supplies
Hopefully they are flying the illegals to areas that need more Dem votes.
A high school friend of mine that lives in Fort Myers had his flight to MKE cancelled at the last minute. He drove to Miami this morning and riding things out there. He has lived in SW FL for decades and this is the first time he has left his home well in advance of the storm. He definitely is taking Milton seriously.
Best friend from high school resides in Cape Coral. Currently in Vegas presenting at a conference. Talk about fortuitous timing.
Just found out cousin and her husband are heading from Venice to Fort Lauderdale. She badly broke her ankle a few weeks ago while in Amsterdam so its a bit tricky, as she isn't mobile.
Kids have left Orlando. While there is a ton of hotel rooms there, they both reported major gas shortages. I assume the stations between Tampa and Orlando are similar.
Mom and sister are headed to a hurricane shelter, has anyone ever to been to one?
How are they managed, generally safe? They are just unfortunately out of options right now, half a tank of gas, and aren't confident they can inland and north enough, and still secure a place to stay.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 07, 2024, 08:09:46 PM
A good friend just drove from Tampa Bay to Orlando today in preparation for their flight out tomorrow morning. All of the tolls were open and the emergency lanes were open to allow for more traffic flow. It still took them 3 hours (!!) to make that short trip.
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 08, 2024, 09:27:40 AM
BTW, I-4 is wide open until you get to Disney area, then use one of the two toll roads around Orlando to avoid that traffic.
We just made the drive yesterday. I-4 being wide open isn't true at all. Took us about 5 hours, but that included a bathroom stop and a moronic Waze detour, so probably more like 4:20-4:30. Bout 90 min to get from St Pete through Tampa, but then there were varying stages of gridlock all down I-4 through the central part of the state. I don't think we went over 50 for more than a mile or two until we got to the outskirts of Orlando.
One of my wife's friends left late last night and looked like it was gonna be 2 hours, but ended up being closer to 3 even at that time. My parents are heading up today from their place in the shadow of the Skyway. Theyve spent sandbagged and tarped up the best they could. Got what they could to the second/main floor and put stuff in the main floor on wood risers. The majority of their first floor is garage, but they just converted a chunk of it to another lounge/TV area in the last month, great timing ::)
And speaking on contraflow, on the trip, saw a least a half a dozen police escorted caravans of sand/supplies/emergency stuff headed towards Tampa. Gas stations were mixed. Saw one near Polk City that was out of gas, but most everything else Ive seen here in Orlando has been fine, plus saw a couple fuel tankers filling stations as well.
Blessings, one and all.
Quote from: reinko on October 08, 2024, 10:57:58 AM
Mom and sister are headed to a hurricane shelter, has anyone ever to been to one?
How are they managed, generally safe? They are just unfortunately out of options right now, half a tank of gas, and aren't confident they can inland and north enough, and still secure a place to stay.
As a general rule, they provide a roof. Maybe a cot. Bring everything else. That should be the plan.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 08, 2024, 11:09:55 AM
We just made the drive yesterday. I-4 being wide open isn't true at all. Took us about 5 hours, but that included a bathroom stop and a moronic Waze detour, so probably more like 4:20-4:30. Bout 90 min to get from St Pete through Tampa, but then there were varying stages of gridlock all down I-4 through the central part of the state. I don't think we went over 50 for more than a mile or two until we got to the outskirts of Orlando.
One of my wife's friends left late last night and looked like it was gonna be 2 hours, but ended up being closer to 3 even at that time. My parents are heading up today from their place in the shadow of the Skyway. Theyve spent sandbagged and tarped up the best they could. Got what they could to the second/main floor and put stuff in the main floor on wood risers. The majority of their first floor is garage, but they just converted a chunk of it to another lounge/TV area in the last month, great timing ::)
And speaking on contraflow, on the trip, saw a least a half a dozen police escorted caravans of sand/supplies/emergency stuff headed towards Tampa. Gas stations were mixed. Saw one near Polk City that was out of gas, but most everything else Ive seen here in Orlando has been fine, plus saw a couple fuel tankers filling stations as well.
There is nothing else like being sent into the middle of a Waze Maze.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 08, 2024, 12:39:41 PM
There is nothing else like being sent into the middle of a Waze Maze.
I personally hate Waze, too many times its tried to do ridiculous routes to get back to a highway when local roads are the same if not faster. But my wife loves it, and given the stress of yesterday, I decided to go with it.
Took us off the highway on city roads in Tampa, but zipped through and cut 15 min off the projected time. Nice. Then again, a bit out, saved like 5 min, ok. Then about 55 miles out from Orlando, it shows another alternate route. Figure its some county highways that are clear. Get off the highway, start to go, zoom out to see its sending us basically 8-9 miles east of the highway to then double back...to avoid like a half mile of I-4. I lost my cool for the first time in that infernal drive.
Was just looking at the projected path and zoomed in to my in-laws place in Bradenton. The projected path line is literally six blocks north of them.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 08, 2024, 01:35:23 PM
Was just looking at the projected path and zoomed in to my in-laws place in Bradenton. The projected path line is literally six blocks north of them.
At least the eye is calm.
My first cousin and his wife have a beautiful place near downtown St. Pete. They bugged out a few days ago and are hunkering down near Jacksonville.
I hope their place survives. More importantly, I hope all folks down there can get somewhere safe.
At what point do "once in a lifetime" level storms/damage happen so often that it's considered the new normal? And at what point do we try and understand why that's the new normal?
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 08, 2024, 04:26:45 PM
At what point do "once in a lifetime" level storms/damage happen so often that it's considered the new normal? And at what point do we try and understand why that's the new normal?
I think we are already there. And people who believe in science already know why.
The Muggsy a roqqets and 4evers of the world will never understand.
Quote from: Jockey on October 08, 2024, 05:03:28 PM
I think we are already there. And people who believe in science already know why.
The Muggsy a roqqets and 4evers of the world will never understand.
That's not fair to Muggsy.
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 08, 2024, 04:26:45 PM
At what point do "once in a lifetime" level storms/damage happen so often that it's considered the new normal? And at what point do we try and understand why that's the new normal?
Speaking only from Tampa/St Pete perspective, I think it's too early to call it new normal. I have a couple neighbors/friends down here who are locals who never saw flooding like Helene. But otherwise, they said the hurricane was nothing that unusual until then. And a hurricane starting in the gulf and slamming straight east into middle of Gulf Coast Florida is super rare. If this happens next year, maybe it's a different story.
I don't think Ian and Milton are the same situation, but YMMV
How do we feel about the folks that have decided to "tough it out"?
Good luck.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 08, 2024, 08:11:52 PM
Speaking only from Tampa/St Pete perspective, I think it's too early to call it new normal. I have a couple neighbors/friends down here who are locals who never saw flooding like Helene. But otherwise, they said the hurricane was nothing that unusual until then. And a hurricane starting in the gulf and slamming straight east into middle of Gulf Coast Florida is super rare. If this happens next year, maybe it's a different story.
I don't think Ian and Milton are the same situation, but YMMV
I tend to agree with you JWags. This one looks much different to me. I hope you have gotten out safely.
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 08, 2024, 08:56:44 PM
How do we feel about the folks that have decided to "tough it out"?
I hope they stay safe, above all else.
Plus it's nice to have dopes like that around so the rest of us can feel superior.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 07, 2024, 04:00:24 PM
Brother Pakuni:
I suspect you don't live in Florida. If you did, you would know that after Ian, our state government had destroyed bridges to barrier islands on the west coast rebuilt in seven days.
Not to be a fact checker here, but the bridges were never destroyed. The causeways between the bridges washed out from the storm surge.
Not minimalizing the undertaking as I've talked with contractors involved, but no bridge is ever rebuilt in seven days. The causeways weren't rebuilt in seven days either, enough sand was dredged to make the causeways passable for emergency vehicles.
Keep watching the path. Our roof was damaged from Helene. Hoping are spared the heaviest winds.
Storm Surge is an issue. Our dunes were just rebuilt. They survived Helene but not sure how well they do on Milton
Pretty much resigned to the fact that our business interests will have some total losses.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CyberStuck/...ed_down_house/
https://www.reddit.com/r/CyberStuck/...bertruck_fire/
Just saw on Facebook FEMA won't let people back into their homes and have a security team arresting anyone that tries.
A friend of mine just texted me and said his Dad is riding out the storm at Siesta Key. I sure hope he is high enough up in the building.
Quote from: Goose on October 09, 2024, 11:27:34 AM
A friend of mine just texted me and said his Dad is riding out the storm at Siesta Key. I sure hope he is high enough up in the building.
Won't matter if the building is knocked down. Seriously there is zero reason to do this.
Fluff
I do not disagree. That said, if my Dad was still alive, he very likely would have ridden it out. He was about 2 miles inland and on second floor and it would have been a fight to get him to evacuate.
Quote from: Goose on October 08, 2024, 10:03:34 AM
A high school friend of mine that lives in Fort Myers had his flight to MKE cancelled at the last minute. He drove to Miami this morning and riding things out there. He has lived in SW FL for decades and this is the first time he has left his home well in advance of the storm. He definitely is taking Milton seriously.
My wife has family in Cape Coral who were forced evac. Has family in Ft Meyers and Sarasota too... who are planning to ride it out.
They're fools to stay.
Quote from: Goose on October 09, 2024, 11:36:10 AM
Fluff
I do not disagree. That said, if my Dad was still alive, he very likely would have ridden it out. He was about 2 miles inland and on second floor and it would have been a fight to get him to evacuate.
I don't get it...but I get it.
Fluff
I did hear back from my friend and his Dad actually downsized places in Sarasota and is now about 2 miles inland, not on the beach. My buddy's place is on the beach but pretty high up in the building.
My wife and I are on a long-standing vacation in Eastern and Central Europe. That said, we are watching our home through a Ring doorbell. Lots of rain, tornados nearby but so far so good.
The folks on the west coast of Florida have a very rough 24 hours coming. Please keep them in your thoughts and prayers.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 09, 2024, 11:30:33 AM
Won't matter if the building is knocked down. Seriously there is zero reason to do this.
You think a storm is going to knock down a high/mid rise? When's the last time that happened? Unless the building is 50+ years old, I'd bet almost any money it's hurricane rated.
I'm not saying it's wise to stay...even with hurricane grade windows, power could be gone for days/weeks, waters could strand you, etc...but a building collapse wouldn't be the concern IMO
Quote from: JWags85 on October 09, 2024, 07:20:09 PM
You think a storm is going to knock down a high/mid rise? When's the last time that happened? Unless the building is 50+ years old, I'd bet almost any money it's hurricane rated.
I'm not saying it's wise to stay...even with hurricane grade windows, power could be gone for days/weeks, waters could strand you, etc...but a building collapse wouldn't be the concern IMO
I have no idea how tall the building is but thanks.
There are going to be a lot of manatees stranded after this hurricane.
Muggsy, should we organize a rescue mission.
Seriously, this is prime manatee habitat and these storm surges have a tremendous impact on them and their food sources. After Helene already there were numerous rescues necessary as the storm surges stranded some manatees in inland ponds.
Quote from: forgetful on October 09, 2024, 08:32:23 PM
There are going to be a lot of manatees stranded after this hurricane.
Muggsy, should we organize a rescue mission.
Seriously, this is prime manatee habitat and these storm surges have a tremendous impact on them and their food sources. After Helene already there were numerous rescues necessary as the storm surges stranded some manatees in inland ponds.
I'm aware of this and very concerned.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 09, 2024, 08:38:24 PM
I'm aware of this and very concerned.
As am I. So much destruction, for man and beast alike.
Quote from: forgetful on October 09, 2024, 10:27:44 PM
As am I. So much destruction, for man and beast alike.
Save the Manatee Club has been working hard but they haven't been reachable since 1 Eastern yesterday. Florida Fish and Wildlife have also been doing the best they can. It appears that Tampa dodged a bullet but I don't think we'll know the full picture until tomorrow morning.
Taylor Swift donates $5 million to hurricane relief.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/taylor-swift-helps-hurricane-milton-helene-relief-efforts-donates-5m
Roof at Tropicana Field is gone
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local-news/the-roof-of-tropicana-field-was-ripped-off-by-hurricane-miltons-winds
Trip field is a relief staging site. Sad that those folks will have to endure that. It isn't like most stadiums. Less concrete, more pressed metal. Like state fair rides. Hope the responders ride it out okay.
We had a several hour period of dodging tornadoes.a few touched down within a couple miles of our house. Since dark, nothing more than wind.
Friends in Ft Myers, Bradenton and Orlando faring well so far.
Everyone okay?
Makes you think
https://x.com/catturd2/status/1844175950277451919?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
THEY were clearly making adjustments with THEIR weather machine.
Quote from: tower912 on October 10, 2024, 07:28:53 AM
THEY were clearly making adjustments with THEIR weather machine.
Sure would be nice if the lame street media would report on this. Sure seems like a psyop to me
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2024, 07:25:09 AM
Makes you think
https://x.com/catturd2/status/1844175950277451919?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
The best thing about a guy who calls himself catturd2 is that he has almost 3 million followers.
And absolutely zero knowledge about anything.
It'd be like if rocket had a twitter following.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 10, 2024, 07:37:42 AM
The best thing about a guy who calls himself catturd2 is that he has almost 3 million followers.
And absolutely zero knowledge about anything.
It'd be like if rocket had a twitter following.
I assumed that was rocket, tbh
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 10, 2024, 06:01:27 AM
Everyone okay?
All good here in Orlando. Some loud winds around 3AM but nothing crazy. Not really any downed branches or leaves.
Back in St Pete, dodged a bullet for sure. Power still down at our apartment, but doesn't seem too bad. My office, which is a few miles away, has power back already. Less flooding in my parents neighborhood than Helene. Biggest issue is gonna be water/sewer situations, our plant was down as of last night and we've got a water boil warning. That will determine when we head back. We have our hotel through Sunday, so weather permitting, we might have a little fun in Orlando while St Pete gets back on track.
Quote from: tower912 on October 10, 2024, 07:28:53 AM
THEY were clearly making adjustments with THEIR weather machine.
I got my Soros-brand Antifa Weather Machine, featuring updated Jewish Space Laser technology, during Amazon Prime Days.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 10, 2024, 09:14:40 AM
We have our hotel through Sunday, so weather permitting, we might have a little fun in Orlando while St Pete gets back on track.
Wags, you have a young family. Meth isn't worth it.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2024, 07:25:09 AM
Makes you think
https://x.com/catturd2/status/1844175950277451919?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Intellectual conservatism has gone from George Will and Charles Krauthammer to Catturd and Tucker Carlson.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 10, 2024, 09:25:44 AM
Intellectual conservatism ......
The ultimate oxymoron.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2024, 07:25:09 AM
Makes you think
https://x.com/catturd2/status/1844175950277451919?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/hurricane-milton-misinformation-meteorlogist-death-threats-1235130352/
What's so discouraging reading accounts like that is that those people threatening meteorologists (!) have the same vote I do....
I just saw Inherit the Wind at the Goodman last night, it's based on the Scopes trial - so much of the dialogue still rings true today....
My boss is going to a trade show in Orlando next week. According to the show website, the show is still proceeding as scheduled. Based on Wags report it sounds like it should be OK.
Lookout for grifters trying to take advantage of this disaster
https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-starlink-charges-hurricane-173119588.html
Quote from: MUBurrow on October 10, 2024, 09:24:14 AM
Wags, you have a young family. Meth isn't worth it.
This legit made me LOL, well done.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 10, 2024, 11:00:05 AM
My boss is going to a trade show in Orlando next week. According to the show website, the show is still proceeding as scheduled. Based on Wags report it sounds like it should be OK.
Yea, even if it started on Monday, they should be fine. Walked around the property and drove to get food earlier this morning and it basically looks like a severe tstorm came through, not the back end of a catastrophic hurricane
Quote from: JWags85 on October 10, 2024, 12:25:15 PM
This legit made me LOL, well done.
Yea, even if it started on Monday, they should be fine. Walked around the property and drove to get food earlier this morning and it basically looks like a severe tstorm came through, not the back end of a catastrophic hurricane
Hoping the airport, then SWA, makes announcements soon about Friday/Saturday flights
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2024, 07:25:09 AM
Makes you think
https://x.com/catturd2/status/1844175950277451919?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Someone was messing with the hurricane making machine obvs.
We are good. Dodged a bunch of tornadoes nearby. Closest one was about 3/4 of a mile away.
They caused a lot of damage here on the East coast.
We did take in an evacuee. There is now an 8 foot gator in the lake behind our house. I suspect he'll have a late lunch and scoot back to where he came from tonight.
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 10, 2024, 12:39:40 PM
We did take in an evacuee. There is now an 8 foot gator in the lake behind our house. I suspect he'll have a late lunch and scoot back to where he came from tonight.
Florida basketball with an Aircraft Carrier, eh?
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 10, 2024, 12:39:40 PM
Someone was messing with the hurricane making machine obvs.
(https://i.imgur.com/Fczg1gL.gif?noredirect)
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 10, 2024, 12:39:40 PM
Someone was messing with the hurricane making machine obvs.
We are good. Dodged a bunch of tornadoes nearby. Closest one was about 3/4 of a mile away.
They caused a lot of damage here on the East coast.
We did take in an evacuee. There is now an 8 foot gator in the lake behind our house. I suspect he'll have a late lunch and scoot back to where he came from tonight.
If he hasn't eaten yet, I'll gladly pay the cost of flying in Muggsy.
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 10, 2024, 12:29:50 PM
Hoping the airport, then SWA, makes announcements soon about Friday/Saturday flights
The FAA filings have a projected opening of 6PM tonight. That was filed before the storm hit, but as I mentioned, I don't think the damage was too severe here. Don't quote me on it, but I would be surprised if they aren't flying in and out relatively normally come Friday morning.
Mom and sister are safe, they are on high ground.
Hitting the road early Tuesday AM to get down there.
Quote from: reinko on October 10, 2024, 01:23:57 PM
Mom and sister are safe, they are on high ground.
Hitting the road early Tuesday AM to get down there.
Great news Reinko.
All good in St Augustine. Heavy winds and lots of rain, but just outside of low-lying coastal area.
My aunt just checked in down in Hobe Sound, FL on the east coast and all is well. Just some small downed branches.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 10, 2024, 07:37:42 AM
The best thing about a guy who calls himself catturd2 is that he has almost 3 million followers.
And absolutely zero knowledge about anything.
It'd be like if rocket had a twitter following.
bwhwhahahahahahbwhahaha
you're killing me hardy...almost like the brain power it takes to run a nursing home ooober service vs a dental practice-i guess ya gotta prop yourself up somehow
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 10, 2024, 03:20:37 PM
bwhwhahahahahahbwhahaha
you're killing me hardy...almost like the brain power it takes to run a nursing home ooober service vs a dental practice-i guess ya gotta prop yourself up somehow
If you're running a dental service, it can't be very difficult
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 09, 2024, 08:52:28 AM
Keep watching the path. Our roof was damaged from Helene. Hoping are spared the heaviest winds.
Storm Surge is an issue. Our dunes were just rebuilt. They survived Helene but not sure how well they do on Milton
Pretty much resigned to the fact that our business interests will have some total losses.
Roof was re-exposed . Will have re patch up. Hopefully we can get repair done as previously scheduled .
Dunes survived which was a big relief. If we can get through season with no more storms , the sea oats will have a chance to grow by next year start of hurricane season.
Business interests were hit as expected . Took care of our employees and they wre eager to rebuild.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 10, 2024, 03:20:37 PM
bwhwhahahahahahbwhahaha
you're killing me hardy...almost like the brain power it takes to run a nursing home ooober service vs a dental practice-i guess ya gotta prop yourself up somehow
Oh, I don't think it's close, don't worry.
Quote from: Warriors4ever on October 10, 2024, 10:59:43 AM
What's so discouraging reading accounts like that is that those people threatening meteorologists (!) have the same vote I do....
I just saw Inherit the Wind at the Goodman last night, it's based on the Scopes trial - so much of the dialogue still rings true today....
I agree, Warriors. Voting should be limited to people with 140 IQs or higher like you and me - it's the only way to save democracy!!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2024, 03:50:18 PM
I agree, Warriors. Voting should be limited to people with 140 IQs or higher like you and me - it's the only way to save democracy!!
Maybe these meteorologists should take off the shackles of the deep state and expose the lies to the American people
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2024, 03:53:06 PM
Maybe these meteorologists should take off the shackles of the deep state and expose the lies to the American people
Huh?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2024, 03:53:06 PM
Maybe these meteorologists should take off the shackles of the deep state and expose the lies to the American people
??? What did I say about meteorologists or the deep state? Nothing.
Tens of millions of dimwits will vote for both candidates this and every election year. Singling out one particular subset of dimwiticism and getting all "I'm so smart and they're so stupid" about it is actually a sign you may be in a subset of dimwits too. Sorry you missed the point.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2024, 03:24:12 PM
If you're running a dental service, it can't be very difficult
He's running his dad's dental service.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2024, 04:23:25 PM
??? What did I say about meteorologists or the deep state? Nothing.
Tens of millions of dimwits will vote for both candidates this and every election year. Singling out one particular subset of dimwiticism and getting all "I'm so smart and they're so stupid" about it is actually a sign you may be in a subset of dimwits too. Sorry you missed the point.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 28, 2024, 08:43:33 PM
Why are you so perpetually angry?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2024, 04:23:25 PM
??? What did I say about meteorologists or the deep state? Nothing.
Tens of millions of dimwits will vote for both candidates this and every election year. Singling out one particular subset of dimwiticism and getting all "I'm so smart and they're so stupid" about it is actually a sign you may be in a subset of dimwits too. Sorry you missed the point.
In one corner, we have people who threaten meteorologists because they think the government secretly controls hurricanes.
In the other, we have people who think those people are morons.
In Lenny's world, the latter are dimwits.
Interesting.
Huh.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2024, 03:24:12 PM
If you're running a dental service, it can't be very difficult
i'll go a little bit slower for ya bro reeka-
d-e-n-t-a-l p-r-a-c-t-i-c-e
Quote from: 🏀 on October 10, 2024, 04:24:26 PM
He's running his dad's dental service.
umm, ball for brains-dads been in a nursing home for 7 years, but thanks for the acknowledgement
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 10, 2024, 04:38:51 PM
i'll go a little bit slower for ya bro reeka-
d-e-n-t-a-l p-r-a-c-t-i-c-e
Either way, it can't be very difficult to run.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2024, 04:23:25 PM
??? What did I say about meteorologists or the deep state? Nothing.
Tens of millions of dimwits will vote for both candidates this and every election year. Singling out one particular subset of dimwiticism and getting all "I'm so smart and they're so stupid" about it is actually a sign you may be in a subset of dimwits too. Sorry you missed the point.
To me, this is art.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 10, 2024, 04:31:39 PM
In one corner, we have people who threaten meteorologists because they think the government secretly controls hurricanes.
In the other, we have people who think those people are morons.
In Lenny's world, the latter are dimwits.
Interesting.
Huh.
Deliberately twisting, deliberately misrepresenting what I said.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt of course because I think you're just being your partisan self. I'd hate for the other possibility to be true.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2024, 04:54:05 PM
Deliberately twisting, deliberately misrepresenting what I said.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt of course because I think you're just being your partisan self. I'd hate for the other possibility to be true.
No twisting necessary. It's what you wrote.
And it's very on brand to write something and then come back less than an hour later to claim you didn't actually write that thing you wrote. And anyone who says you wrote that thing you wrote is lying about what you wrote. Even though what you wrote is there for all to see.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 10, 2024, 05:33:26 PM
No twisting necessary. It's what you wrote.
And it's very on brand to write something and then come back less than an hour later to claim you didn't actually write that thing you wrote. And anyone who says you wrote that thing you wrote is lying about what you wrote. Even though what you wrote is there for all to see.
Reread what I wrote, then what you wrote that I wrote. If you admit you misread my post, no harm no foul. If you still think your post is an accurate representation of what I wrote you'll have to join one of the nitwit classes.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2024, 06:04:56 PM
Reread what I wrote, then what you wrote that I wrote. If you admit you misread my post, no harm no foul. If you still think your post is an accurate representation of what I wrote you'll have to join one of the nitwit classes.
"Singling out one particular subset of dimwiticism and getting all "I'm so smart and they're so stupid" about it is actually a sign you may be in a subset of dimwits too."
Quote from: Pakuni on October 10, 2024, 06:08:20 PM
"Singling out one particular subset of dimwiticism and getting all "I'm so smart and they're so stupid" about it is actually a sign you may be in a subset of dimwits too."
And?
Lenny packing the heat! love it
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2024, 09:00:16 PM
And?
I assume your objection to Pakuni is that you said that both may be dimwits whereas Pakuni said that you said that only the latter are dimwits?
If you threaten a meteorologist because you genuinely believe in partisan hurricane machines you are definitely a dimwit.
If you think people who threaten meteorologists because they genuinely believe in partisan hurricane machines are dimwits, you may also be a dimwit. You may also be of average intelligence, above average, or a genius. There is no correlation between this and intelligence. It just means you have common sense on this particular topic.
People who threaten meteorologists over concerns of a grand weather controlling conspiracy vs people who call out the former for being stupid.
There is absolutely no "both sides" in this situation.
To even suggest so is ridiculous.
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 11, 2024, 03:07:16 AM
People who threaten meteorologists over concerns of a grand weather controlling conspiracy vs people who call out the former for being stupid.
There is absolutely no "both sides" in this situation.
To even suggest so is ridiculous.
Just protecting the team
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 10, 2024, 10:52:30 PM
I assume your objection to Pakuni is that you said that both may be dimwits whereas Pakuni said that you said that only the latter are dimwits?
If you threaten a meteorologist because you genuinely believe in partisan hurricane machines you are definitely a dimwit.
If you think people who threaten meteorologists because they genuinely believe in partisan hurricane machines are dimwits, you may also be a dimwit. You may also be of average intelligence, above average, or a genius. There is no correlation between this and intelligence. It just means you have common sense on this particular topic.
Oh, I didn't mean to suggest that Lenny believes
only the people calling out the meteorologist-threatening hurricane deniers are dimwits. The problem is Lenny believes calling out those people is somehow bad or "dimwitted" at all.
It's never bad or dimwitted to call these people what they are - "dumb and dangerous." They are a scourge. They are the people who bring guns to pizza shops and storm the Capitol because they believe inane conspiracy theories peddled for political gain.
And if/when such dangerous stupidity comes from the left, Lenny would have no problem calling it what it is.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 10, 2024, 10:52:30 PM
I assume your objection to Pakuni is that you said that both may be dimwits whereas Pakuni said that you said that only the latter are dimwits?
If you threaten a meteorologist because you genuinely believe in partisan hurricane machines you are definitely a dimwit.
If you think people who threaten meteorologists because they genuinely believe in partisan hurricane machines are dimwits, you may also be a dimwit. You may also be of average intelligence, above average, or a genius. There is no correlation between this and intelligence. It just means you have common sense on this particular topic.
Since you always try to be reasonable I'll reply to you.
Of course people who believe in weather machine are dimwits. And if they base who they vote for on that false belief they're casting a dim witted vote.
But when it comes to an uninformed electorate the weather machine dimwits are a minute subset of people (on both sides) who are going to cast votes for reasons that have no basis in fact.
If you believe in democracy you accept that fact and don't play some silly "my vote is being wasted canceling a dimwitted one from the other side" game.
Quote from: MU82 on October 09, 2024, 10:45:28 PM
Taylor Swift donates $5 million to hurricane relief.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/taylor-swift-helps-hurricane-milton-helene-relief-efforts-donates-5m
Chump change...probably oughta dump her 2 mega jets if she truly is woke. Megyn Kelly said it best..."F her," aina?
We are criticizing those who make hurricane relief donations because of their politics?
Some people need to log off Twitter, turn off the television, and go outside.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 11, 2024, 08:30:26 AM
We are criticizing those who make hurricane relief donations because of their politics?
Some people need to log off Twitter, turn off the television, and go outside.
I believe I said it best, "Stick to teeth".
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 11, 2024, 08:22:46 AM
Chump change...probably oughta dump her 2 mega jets if she truly is woke. Megyn Kelly said it best..."F her," aina?
Agree. Not a dollar out of anyone's pocket to help with hurricane relief. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. F them, aina?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 11, 2024, 08:30:26 AM
We are criticizing those who make hurricane relief donations because of their politics?
Some people need to log off Twitter, turn off the television, and go outside.
Dude, right back atcha. No different than criticizing dentists'cuz ya don't like their politics, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 11, 2024, 09:08:33 AM
Dude, right back atcha. No different than criticizing dentists'cuz ya don't like their politics, aina?
Giving money to a hurricane relief fund is political? Reconsider your logic.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 11, 2024, 09:11:24 AM
Giving money to a hurricane relief fund is political? Reconsider your logic.
I'm trying to figure out how giving a donation is woke and has anything to do with her jets?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2024, 09:18:24 AM
I'm trying to figure out how giving a donation is woke and has anything to do with her jets?
I'm sorry, are we bringing up jets? A certain person running for president is flying around in the plane of the dude he had murdered while in a NYC prison.
It had a pretty famous name, but I can't remember it.
;)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 11, 2024, 09:08:33 AM
Dude, right back atcha. No different than criticizing dentists'cuz ya don't like their politics, aina?
I criticize rocket and you because, by and large, you're a couple of dimwits.
Again, stop being so obsessed about politics. It isn't healthy and is eating away at your brain. Take up painting or something more productive.
Funny how climate change is not caused by humans but somehow hurricanes can be.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on October 11, 2024, 09:47:06 AM
Funny how climate change is not caused by humans but somehow hurricanes can be.
Cuz Soros
It was so nice throwin' big parties
Jump into the pool from the balcony
Everyone swimmin' in a champagne sea
And there are no rules when you show up here
Bass beat rattling the chandelier
Feelin' so Gatsby for that whole year
So why'd you have to rain on my parade?
I'm shaking my head and locking the gates
This is why we can't have nice things, darlin'
Because you break them, I had to take them away
This is why we can't have nice things, honey (oh)
Did you think I wouldn't hear all the things you said about me?
This is why we can't have nice things
It was so nice being friends again
There I was, giving you a second chance
But you stabbed me in the back while shakin' my hand
And therein lies the issue, friends don't try to trick you
Get you on the phone and mind-twist you
And so I took an axe to a mended fence
But I'm not the only friend you've lost lately
If only you weren't so shady
This is why we can't have nice things, darlin' (yeah)
Because you break them, I had to take them away
This is why we can't have nice (nice things) things (baby), honey (oh)
Did you think I wouldn't hear all the things you said about me?
This is why we can't have-
Here's a toast to my real friends
They don't care about the "he said, she said"
And here's to my baby
He ain't readin' what they call me lately
And here's to my mama
Had to listen to all this drama
And here's to you
'Cause forgiveness is a nice thing to do
Hahaha, I can't even say it with a straight face
This is why we can't have nice things, darlin' (darlin')
Because you break them, I had to take them away
This is why we can't have nice (uh, uh) things (oh, no), honey (baby) (oh)
Did you think I wouldn't hear all the things you said about me?
This is why we can't have (oh) nice things (oh, no), darlin' (and here's to my real friends)
(Oh) because you break them, I had to take them, and here's to my baby
(Oh) nice things (oh, no), honey (they didn't care about that "he said, she said")
Did you think I wouldn't hear all the things you said about me?
This is why we can't have nice things
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 11, 2024, 08:30:26 AM
We are criticizing those who make hurricane relief donations because of their politics?
Some people need to log off Twitter, turn off the television, and go outside.
Mailmen/women are sometimes outside, even in the Quon. Those people are scary. Gotta stay attached to the MU police blotter in the basement.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on October 11, 2024, 09:47:06 AM
Funny how climate change is not caused by humans but somehow hurricanes can be.
The government can't do anything right except regularly carry out massive conspiracies
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 11, 2024, 09:36:44 AM
I criticize rocket and you because, by and large, you're a couple of dimwits.
Again, stop being so obsessed about politics. It isn't healthy and is eating away at your brain. Take up painting or something more productive.
Oh, so you're like the Wizard, right...all knowing, all omnipotent? Thank you for your service, hey?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 11, 2024, 09:36:44 AM
I criticize rocket and you because, by and large, you're a couple of dimwits.
Again, stop being so obsessed about politics. It isn't healthy and is eating away at your brain. Take up painting or something more productive.
I know you really don't care because narcissists such as yourself believe...well you know what they believe because you know everything. regarding the "dimwits" thing, ho boy, little do you realize how many here believe you're all that and more and really don't care what you believe anyway
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 11, 2024, 05:12:25 PM
I know you really don't care because narcissists such as yourself believe...well you know what they believe because you know everything. regarding the "dimwits" thing, ho boy, little do you realize how many here believe you're all that and more and really don't care what you believe anyway
5.5 out of 10
Way too much good spelling but do appreciate the air quotes, ellipses and lack of capital letters. Haven't gotten a View or Ice Cream breathe comment in awhile. Appreciate the unhinged diversification. Shows solid range.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 11, 2024, 03:41:52 PM
Oh, so you're like the Wizard, right...all knowing, all omnipotent? Thank you for your service, hey?
You're welcome.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 11, 2024, 05:12:25 PM
I know you really don't care because narcissists such as yourself believe...well you know what they believe because you know everything. regarding the "dimwits" thing, ho boy, little do you realize how many here believe you're all that and more and really don't care what you believe anyway
You're posting history suggests you're not very smart.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 11, 2024, 05:25:15 PM
You're posting history suggests you're not very smart.
"suggests"
do you make assumptions on everyone's intellect who posts "stuff"? ahhh...another, "not very smart" post eyn'a?
somehow the word shallow, among many others come to mind, but enjoy you, yourself and you as i'm sure you do
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 11, 2024, 06:14:10 PM
"suggests"
do you make assumptions on everyone's intellect who posts "stuff"?
Yes.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 11, 2024, 06:23:30 PM
Yes.
and your ASSumptions always right? remember no question is a dumb question eyn'a?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 11, 2024, 05:25:15 PM
You're posting history suggests you're not very smart.
Also, not compassionate
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 11, 2024, 06:50:56 PM
Also, not compassionate
another internet psychologist I see
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 11, 2024, 06:52:27 PM
another internet psychologist I see
A blind man could see it
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2024, 06:04:56 PM
Reread what I wrote, then what you wrote that I wrote. If you admit you misread my post, no harm no foul. If you still think your post is an accurate representation of what I wrote you'll have to join one of the nitwit classes.
I'm not one to often agree with Lenny, but the attacks on him here seem to be more attacking the person than it is what he said.
Lenny I read your posts as follows.
Poster 1 Suggests that dimwits who believe Dems are controlling the weather shouldn't be allowed to vote, otherwise it is cancelling "smart" voters votes.
You respond jokingly that voting should be restricted to people like you (and Poster 1) with IQs over 140.
Rico also responds jokingly.
You respond to that with a simple and accurate statement with the take-home message that we have to be careful when we start suggesting that "dimwits" shouldn't be allowed to vote, because it might cancel a smart persons votes, because there are plenty of dimwits on both sides.
As I note, this is accurate, and as I read it was meant to be entirely separate from any individual stances (e.g. individuals threatening meteorologists), and just a general fact.
All of that seems reasonable, and takes nothing away from the fact that the individuals threatening meteorologists are dimwits. Dimwits that should still be allowed to vote.
How many more insurance companies pull out of Florida?
Quote from: tower912 on October 11, 2024, 09:07:41 PM
How many more insurance companies pull out of Florida?
Related, when does Florida become completely unaffordable because of the cost of insurance, or is it pretty much already there?
Third, what is this going to due to condo fees?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 11, 2024, 05:12:25 PM
narcissists
I have to admit that, given everything you've said here these last 9 years, I'm surprised you despise narcissists. So will you be voting for the Democrat, the Libertarian or the Green Party candidate?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 11, 2024, 08:04:54 AM
Since you always try to be reasonable I'll reply to you.
Of course people who believe in weather machine are dimwits. And if they base who they vote for on that false belief they're casting a dim witted vote.
But when it comes to an uninformed electorate the weather machine dimwits are a minute subset of people (on both sides) who are going to cast votes for reasons that have no basis in fact.
If you believe in democracy you accept that fact and don't play some silly "my vote is being wasted canceling a dimwitted one from the other side" game.
Appreciate the reasonable response. I certainly agree that dimwits have the right to vote.
However, recent years have demonstrated to me how easy it is for a dimwitted take to evolve into a percieved truth. For the past eight years, one side in particular has amplified dimwitted takes to the mainstream, repeating them over and over and over again until they become accepted as fact by not only dimwits, but people of all intelligence levels and even across political lines.
Sure, the percentage of people threatening meteorologists over hurricane machines may be minute (at the moment), but plenty of other lies have been propagandized into truth and they are having a significant impact on our country. A belief that our economy is "the worst in history" when any objective measure has it as the envy of the rest of the world. The idea that there has been a "migrant violent crime wave" when violent crime is significantly down nationwide and statistics show that US citizens commit crimes at an exponentially higher rate than migrants. That undocumented immigrants are responsible for the majority of fentanyl in our country when less than 0.02% of undocumented immigrants caught by border patrol had any amount of fentanyl on them and experts say that the majority is being smuggled by US citizens at legal checkpoints, followed by the Canadian border, followed by ports. That Hatians in Springfield, OH are eating cats and dogs despite absolutely no evidence to support it.
And the dooziest of them, a 2023 poll found the 70% of Republicans believe that the 2020 election was stolen. Despite dozens of federal judges, most of them conservative, many of them appointed by Trump himself, all coming to the same conclusion, that there was zero evidence. And despite the Dominion lawsuit showing that Fox itself didn't believe it's own bullsh*t. This sort of dimwitted take would have never been allowed to gain traction 9 years ago. But now we have a supermajority of one of the parties who subscribe to this belief led by a presidential candidate and a vice presidential candidate who continue to double, triple, quadruple, and quintuple down. So the believers in hurricane machines may seem minute now, but nowadays, I don't write off anything as too dimwitted to become a dangerous talking point in the future.
So yes, the dimwits of both parties get to vote. Obviously. But I worry that one no longer has to be a dimwit to be one of the people "who are going to cast votes for reasons that have no basis in fact." It seems like the reasons for a lot of people's reason to vote has no basis in fact.
I'm still safe
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 11, 2024, 10:55:40 PM
Appreciate the reasonable response. I certainly agree that dimwits have the right to vote.
However, recent years have demonstrated to me how easy it is for a dimwitted take to evolve into a percieved truth. For the past eight years, one side in particular has amplified dimwitted takes to the mainstream, repeating them over and over and over again until they become accepted as fact by not only dimwits, but people of all intelligence levels and even across political lines.
Sure, the percentage of people threatening meteorologists over hurricane machines may be minute (at the moment), but plenty of other lies have been propagandized into truth and they are having a significant impact on our country. A belief that our economy is "the worst in history" when any objective measure has it as the envy of the rest of the world. The idea that there has been a "migrant violent crime wave" when violent crime is significantly down nationwide and statistics show that US citizens commit crimes at an exponentially higher rate than migrants. That undocumented immigrants are responsible for the majority of fentanyl in our country when less than 0.02% of undocumented immigrants caught by border patrol had any amount of fentanyl on them and experts say that the majority is being smuggled by US citizens at legal checkpoints, followed by the Canadian border, followed by ports. That Hatians in Springfield, OH are eating cats and dogs despite absolutely no evidence to support it.
And the dooziest of them, a 2023 poll found the 70% of Republicans believe that the 2020 election was stolen. Despite dozens of federal judges, most of them conservative, many of them appointed by Trump himself, all coming to the same conclusion, that there was zero evidence. And despite the Dominion lawsuit showing that Fox itself didn't believe it's own bullsh*t. This sort of dimwitted take would have never been allowed to gain traction 9 years ago. But now we have a supermajority of one of the parties who subscribe to this belief led by a presidential candidate and a vice presidential candidate who continue to double, triple, quadruple, and quintuple down. So the believers in hurricane machines may seem minute now, but nowadays, I don't write off anything as too dimwitted to become a dangerous talking point in the future.
So yes, the dimwits of both parties get to vote. Obviously. But I worry that one no longer has to be a dimwit to be one of the people "who are going to cast votes for reasons that have no basis in fact." It seems like the reasons for a lot of people's reason to vote has no basis in fact.
TAMU, your write-up is spot on. I have tried to articulate this same thought many times, though not as eloquently as you. It comes down to one political party in particular living in a fantasy world. The only thing I don't quite understand is whether these folks actually believe these things, or are simply playing along with their friends and choosing to play along with the fantasy. Like the results of the 2020 election. It's very hard for me to believe that 70% of R's TRULY believe the election was stolen. These people just can't be that ill informed. They know the truth, but simply choose to ignore it.
IBTL
ND sucks
Apparently, and not surprisingly, there are stranded manatees.
Quote from: tower912 on October 12, 2024, 07:22:21 AM
Apparently, and not surprisingly, there are stranded manatees.
Well, yeah. Biden hates manatees.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 12, 2024, 07:36:04 AM
Well, yeah. Biden hates manatees.
I've heard that was his main motivation for creating the hurricane.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 12, 2024, 08:11:03 AM
I've heard that was his main motivation for creating the hurricane.
That and to clear out room for illegals to vote democrat. According to Facebook, he's using FEMA to steal valuables from hurricane victims. Guess the hurricane actually wasn't real and FEMA went to evacuated areas, took the valuables and sold them on eBay and the used a controlled demolition to give an appearance of a hurricane. Supposedly, the money went to Ukraine as part of a money laundering operation to pay for sanctuary cities and transgender reassignment surgery for kids at public schools
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 12, 2024, 08:14:53 AM
That and to clear out room for illegals to vote democrat. According to Facebook, he's using FEMA to steal valuables from hurricane victims. Guess the hurricane actually wasn't real and FEMA went to evacuated areas, took the valuables and sold them on eBay and the used a controlled demolition to give an appearance of a hurricane. Supposedly, the money went to Ukraine as part of a money laundering operation to pay for sanctuary cities and transgender reassignment surgery for kids at public schools
I think every kid should be required to undertake government funded gender reassignment surgery before they turn 18.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 12, 2024, 08:20:05 AM
I think every kid should be required to undertake government funded gender reassignment surgery before they turn 18.
I was watching Mark Levin and he said that's what will happen when we finally get the Communism I've been hearing about for decades
OK, to get back on subject, the biggest problem too many Floridians have was tornados. In our community, the outer bands of Milton spawned F3 tornados in Southern Indian River and Northern St. Lucie Counties. We have a hunk of our county that is either severely damaged or destroyed.
Our Roman Catholic Church lost a part of its roof, has a big hole in the ceiling to the sanctuary and has significant damage to our southern oaks on the property. My wife has a close friend who lost her roof, had rain in her living room, had trees fall on both her cars and has a significant rebuild cost.
Our state will recover but the challenge too many of our fellow Floridians have is their homes and condos are not built to current hurricane standards found in our post 2003 building standards. Our newer buildings survived wekll.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 12, 2024, 08:57:46 AM
OK, to get back on subject, the biggest problem too many Floridians have was tornados. In our community, the outer bands of Milton spawned F3 tornados in Southern Indian River and Northern St. Lucie Counties. We have a hunk of our county that is either severely damaged or destroyed.
Our Roman Catholic Church lost a part of its roof, has a big hole in the ceiling to the sanctuary and has significant damage to our southern oaks on the property. My wife has a close friend who lost her roof, had rain in her living room, had trees fall on both her cars and has a significant rebuild cost.
Our state will recover but the challenge too many of our fellow Floridians have is their homes and condos are not built to current hurricane standards found in our post 2003 building standards. Our newer buildings survived wekll.
Is there any requirement to upgrade/update older buildings? Any money available for those projects?
Dimwits, aka Fluffy GM's jargon, is so 60's ish, aina?
Quote from: tower912 on October 12, 2024, 07:22:21 AM
Apparently, and not surprisingly, there are stranded manatees.
manateecoffee.com
Have your morning coffee and support the mighty manatee population.
Their coffee is not 100% Kona Peaberry but still 1000 times better than Starbucks; DD, any K-Cup or Capsule garbage, etc. Do not disparage or mock the manatee population and respect their kind and considerate nature. They have suffered tremendous anxiety and God bless the people who continue to help them.
I never thought of coffee made from manatee, but I'm willing to try.
You lost me at 'coffee.'
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 12, 2024, 10:57:46 AM
I never thought of coffee made from manatee, but I'm willing to try.
I should have know better. We must respect our marine mammals cheebs.
Why don't they ever have the designer diet Pepsi, Pepsi Zero, Dew Zero fundraiser?
Quote from: tower912 on October 12, 2024, 12:05:19 PM
Why don't they ever have the designer diet Pepsi, Pepsi Zero, Dew Zero fundraiser?
Diet dew>dew zero
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 12, 2024, 08:57:46 AM
OK, to get back on subject, the biggest problem too many Floridians have was tornados. In our community, the outer bands of Milton spawned F3 tornados in Southern Indian River and Northern St. Lucie Counties. We have a hunk of our county that is either severely damaged or destroyed.
Our Roman Catholic Church lost a part of its roof, has a big hole in the ceiling to the sanctuary and has significant damage to our southern oaks on the property. My wife has a close friend who lost her roof, had rain in her living room, had trees fall on both her cars and has a significant rebuild cost.
Our state will recover but the challenge too many of our fellow Floridians have is their homes and condos are not built to current hurricane standards found in our post 2003 building standards. Our newer buildings survived wekll.
The obvious question then is...can the pre 2003 homes and condos be retrofitted (for lack of a better term), and if so, at what cost? Another question-do the remaining insurance companies in Florida charge higher premiums for pre 2003 construction? I would certainly expect them to.
You mentioned the post 2003 construction surviving well, but how much tree damage was there in relation to wind/rain/flooding structural damage. I'm guessing the overall gist of your post was that the post 2003 homes did much better but doesn't still leave other types of property damage that could easily reoccur?
Quote from: tower912 on October 12, 2024, 12:05:19 PM
Why don't they ever have the designer diet Pepsi, Pepsi Zero, Dew Zero fundraiser?
See, you're still crazy. I agree with you on coffee, but it's cherry pepsi only.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 12, 2024, 01:40:23 PM
The obvious question then is...can the pre 2003 homes and condos be retrofitted (for lack of a better term), and if so, at what cost? Another question-do the remaining insurance companies in Florida charge higher premiums for pre 2003 construction? I would certainly expect them to.
You mentioned the post 2003 construction surviving well, but how much tree damage was there in relation to wind/rain/flooding structural damage. I'm guessing the overall gist of your post was that the post 2003 homes did much better but doesn't still leave other types of property damage that could easily reoccur?
Brother Snoop:
It's doubtful. Most of the pre-2003 residential buildings are frame construction. While some retrofits, such as improved roof strapping may be possible, the difference between frame construction and steel-reinforced concrete is night and day. Retrofitting to that level would basically require leveling and starting over.
Our legislature has recently become very tough on condos and the result has been a statewide bloodbath. The days of low assessments offered on the altar of deferred maintenance are over. Condo owners don't like facing reality and to do that to ever pre-2007 building in Florida would be something few legislators in our state would take on.
As to insurance rates, we looked at a pre-2003 house when we bought our current property. Our current insurance premium is $6,500. That home had an insurance premium of $15,000. So yes, older buildings are charged more but we get some of the effect too. Both houses had about the same value.
Tree damage was substantial. The Spanish Oaks in Vero Beach were butchered by our storm. My biggest fear on our home is a king palm falls on the roof!
Thanks, dgies. Just curiosity on my part. I have never been a Florida fan, and did not know that steel-reinforced concrete is the new normal, so yeah...short of wrapping a pre 2003 house in concrete ::), retrofitting is not feasible. Glad that you love the area. You mentioned a king palm through the roof as your biggest fear, but what about flooding? That's a silent home killer.
I noticed quite a few damaged or destroyed double wides among the more modest dwellings. The lower income people in particular seem to be in a bad position.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 12, 2024, 02:49:43 PM
Thanks, dgies. Just curiosity on my part. I have never been a Florida fan, and did not know that steel-reinforced concrete is the new normal, so yeah...short of wrapping a pre 2003 house in concrete ::), retrofitting is not feasible. Glad that you love the area. You mentioned a king palm through the roof as your biggest fear, but what about flooding? That's a silent home killer.
I noticed quite a few damaged or destroyed double wides among the more modest dwellings. The lower income people in particular seem to be in a bad position.
Brother Snoop:
Thanks. I live on a barrier island (Indian River Shores) and we watch flooding carefully. However, we are at the high spot on the island (20 feet) and have a 10 foot berms by the beach, Florida A1A, a midrise condo building, retention pond and a block of our neighbors' homes between us and a flood.
We are one of the few homes in our neighborhood not in a flood plain. We also have excellent to outstanding flood drainage into storm sewers and deep drainage canals nearby.
As to mobile homes, the problems in Florida are no different than in Iowa, Nebraska or Kansas. When severe weather hits, a mobile home is not where I would want to be. The people who died at Spanish Oaks, just outside Vero Beach, were in mobile homes. There are shelters in our state as well as others where mobile home residents can go.
My best NC friend has a place in the mountains where flooding from Helene was horrific, and my cousin lives in St. Pete near where Milton struck. Both were very impressed with the FEMA response.
My cousin, a Republican, naturally credited DeSantis, but that's ok. Whatever it took, it's nice to hear that rumors about poor FEMA response were pure partisan political BS from the pathological liar at the top of his party and his sycophants.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 12, 2024, 03:08:43 PM
Brother Snoop:
Thanks. I live on a barrier island (Indian River Shores) and we watch flooding carefully. However, we are at the high spot on the island (20 feet) and have a 10 foot berms by the beach, Florida A1A, a midrise condo building, retention pond and a block of our neighbors' homes between us and a flood.
We are one of the few homes in our neighborhood not in a flood plain. We also have excellent to outstanding flood drainage into storm sewers and deep drainage canals nearby.
As to mobile homes, the problems in Florida are no different than in Iowa, Nebraska or Kansas. When severe weather hits, a mobile home is not where I would want to be. The people who died at Spanish Oaks, just outside Vero Beach, were in mobile homes. There are shelters in our state as well as others where mobile home residents can go.
Brother dgies9156:
We are on barrier island and on the ocean. So all we have is the dune. Any major storm surge in Atlantic and we are screwed .
Helene gusts of 81 tore up part of roof and haven't been repaired just have tarp up there.
We are pre 2003 , with some roof strapping . Our insurance premiums are total about 17 k between basic, flood and secondary flood. 2 percent wind deductible because we put in Hurricane Shutters and Garage Door and covered every opening . If disaster happens Chubb will pay full replacement cost.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 12, 2024, 02:49:43 PM
Thanks, dgies. Just curiosity on my part. I have never been a Florida fan, and did not know that steel-reinforced concrete is the new normal, so yeah...short of wrapping a pre 2003 house in concrete ::), retrofitting is not feasible. Glad that you love the area. You mentioned a king palm through the roof as your biggest fear, but what about flooding? That's a silent home killer.
I noticed quite a few damaged or destroyed double wides among the more modest dwellings. The lower income people in particular seem to be in a bad position.
It's not, my childhood home built in 1960 was concrete block. Most houses built in the 60s 70s and 80s were concrete block. While there are some that are wood frame, like my current home, the vast majority have always been concrete block unless you're talking about homes built pre-1960. Our neighborhood has 600 homes and approximately 100 or so are wood frame. The houses were built in the 90s.
By the way, our house has survived unscathed direct hits from three category three hurricanes. But trees like the three big oak trees in our yard to present the biggest threat.
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 12, 2024, 05:31:22 PM
It's not, my childhood home built in 1960 was concrete block. Most houses built in the 60s 70s and 80s were concrete block. While there are some that are wood frame, like my current home, the vast majority have always been concrete block unless you're talking about homes built pre-1960. Our neighborhood has 600 homes and approximately 100 or so are wood frame. The houses were built in the 90s.
By the way, our house has survived unscathed direct hits from three category three hurricanes. But trees like the three big oak trees in our yard to present the biggest threat.
Thanks for the clarification. How well do block homes hold up? When a frame home loses its roof's structure the remainder of the home is in great danger as the roof holds the exterior walls into place. I'm hoping that those with block homes can repair the damage, although I am sure that it is often extensive. Please understand that I am guessing (not a Floridian) and do not, in any way, want to come off as dismissing the amount of not only damage but also heartache.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 12, 2024, 06:06:28 PM
Thanks for the clarification. How well do block homes hold up? When a frame home loses its roof's structure the remainder of the home is in great danger as the roof holds the exterior walls into place. I'm hoping that those with block homes can repair the damage, although I am sure that it is often extensive. Please understand that I am guessing (not a Floridian) and do not, in any way, want to come off as dismissing the amount of not only damage but also heartache.
Losing a roof regardless of construction is pretty devastating. In general, concrete block certainly hold up better. But really, most devastation to houses in hurricanes aren't from wind damage, but from storm surge, things flying into, falling on houses, and the associated tornadoes that spin up, as was the case with Milton. We didn't have severe wind, but lots of homes were damaged or destroyed by tornadoes, even though we were 100 miles from the eye.
New roofs and other home improvements have to meet building codes. Roof tie downs, stronger shutter rules are examples. In South Florida our codes were updated after Andrew happened in 1992. The rest of the state took longer.
Quote from: forgetful on October 11, 2024, 08:44:10 PM
I'm not one to often agree with Lenny, but the attacks on him here seem to be more attacking the person than it is what he said.
Lenny I read your posts as follows.
Poster 1 Suggests that dimwits who believe Dems are controlling the weather shouldn't be allowed to vote, otherwise it is cancelling "smart" voters votes.
You respond jokingly that voting should be restricted to people like you (and Poster 1) with IQs over 140.
Rico also responds jokingly.
You respond to that with a simple and accurate statement with the take-home message that we have to be careful when we start suggesting that "dimwits" shouldn't be allowed to vote, because it might cancel a smart persons votes, because there are plenty of dimwits on both sides.
As I note, this is accurate, and as I read it was meant to be entirely separate from any individual stances (e.g. individuals threatening meteorologists), and just a general fact.
All of that seems reasonable, and takes nothing away from the fact that the individuals threatening meteorologists are dimwits. Dimwits that should still be allowed to vote.
Exactly. Thank you, Forgetful, for actually reading and comprehending what I posted. You and I frequently (politely) disagree but you always give a fair assessment of what I say and what it means rather than twisting it into something unrecognizable "just because". Sad that it's the exception rather than the rule around here.
Quote from: forgetful on October 11, 2024, 08:44:10 PM
Poster 1 Suggests that dimwits who believe Dems are controlling the weather shouldn't be allowed to vote, otherwise it is cancelling "smart" voters votes.
Nobody wrote this.
Warriors4ever wrote
"What's so discouraging reading accounts like that is that those people threatening meteorologists (!) have the same vote I do...."Which is true. But he never wrote, suggested or implied that such dimwits should be disenfranchised.
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You respond to that with a simple and accurate statement with the take-home message that we have to be careful when we start suggesting that "dimwits" shouldn't be allowed to vote, because it might cancel a smart persons votes, because there are plenty of dimwits on both sides.
This is an exceptionally generous reading of what Lenny wrote.
Here's what he actually wrote:
"Tens of millions of dimwits will vote for both candidates this and every election year. Singling out one particular subset of dimwiticism and getting all "I'm so smart and they're so stupid" about it is actually a sign you may be in a subset of dimwits too. Sorry you missed the point."There's nothing there about who should and shouldn't vote. Honestly, I don't even see where you can infer that's what he's writing about. A more accurate reading, IMO, is that "by calling some people stupid, you may be stupid yourself."
Which, to be fair, is true under some circumstances. But definitely not in a circumstance that was under discussion, i.e. calling people stupid for threatening meteorologists because the gubmint controls hurricanes.
Lenny's regularly posts something, and then follows up by saying something like "I didn't mean that," or "I never said that."
IOW he doesn't want to defend what he actually said. It's pretty obvious actually. He's scared of his own words.
Bat signal goes off, Pakuni and Sultan arrive with more pretzel twisting and outright lies. Rinse, wash, repeat.
The Hunters Point development is getting some positive press. Designed to be hurricane proof and eco friendly and came through Milton intact and with power. Too expensive, but a template has been established.
I wrote it. I never said anything about the right to vote. It's discouraging to me that we've reached the point where people threaten meteorologists, of all people, no matter how much nonsense viewers believe. I believe one several years ago actually ended up quitting his job over threats.
And just for the record, I am in the distinct minority in this group in being a she.
I can't believe all the defense of meteorologists around here. They obviously are to blame for the weather calamities that hurt our country, and everybody knows they especially target our most patriotic red states.
That's just science.
Quote from: Warriors4ever on October 13, 2024, 08:49:51 AM
I wrote it. I never said anything about the right to vote. It's discouraging to me that we've reached the point where people threaten meteorologists, of all people, no matter how much nonsense viewers believe. I believe one several years ago actually ended up quitting his job over threats.
And just for the record, I am in the distinct minority in this group in being a she.
It should be discouraging! Threatening meteorologists because of political reasons is flat out stupid and indefensible but we still deal with in the year 2024.
There's nothing political about the real threat of hurricanes nor is there anything political about the nature of hurricanes and how their path can change in a matter of moments. But ignorance is considered a virtue by many.
It's easy to deflect from these fools and say "well, the other side has dimwits, too", instead of asking why does this one group fall for these stupid beliefs?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 13, 2024, 07:58:38 AM
Bat signal goes off, Pakuni and Sultan arrive with more pretzel twisting and outright lies. Rinse, wash, repeat.
Outright lies = quoting you directly.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 13, 2024, 09:07:52 AM
Outright lies = quoting you directly.
Yep. Again, doesn't own his words.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 13, 2024, 07:21:51 AM
A more accurate reading, IMO, is that "by calling some people stupid, you may be stupid yourself."
Which, to be fair, is true under some circumstances. But definitely not in a circumstance that was under discussion, i.e. calling people stupid for threatening meteorologists because the gubmint controls hurricanes.
Exactly how I interpreted it
Quote from: JWags85 on October 10, 2024, 01:03:51 PM
The FAA filings have a projected opening of 6PM tonight. That was filed before the storm hit, but as I mentioned, I don't think the damage was too severe here. Don't quote me on it, but I would be surprised if they aren't flying in and out relatively normally come Friday morning.
Made it with no problem. Appreciate the info wags
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2024, 09:00:33 AM
There's nothing political about the real threat of hurricanes nor is there anything political about the nature of hurricanes and how their path can change in a matter of moments. But ignorance is considered a virtue by many tens of millions.
FIFY
Quote from: Pakuni on October 13, 2024, 07:21:51 AM
This is an exceptionally generous reading of what Lenny wrote.
A more accurate reading, IMO, is that "by calling some people stupid, you may be stupid yourself."
Not generous, but accurate and fair. Yours is the inaccurate and unfair one - which omits my first response and therefore (intentionally?) lacks context.
Now FEMA workers are getting threatened by worshipers of the magaverse leader.
Quote from: MU82 on October 13, 2024, 05:47:37 PM
Now FEMA workers are getting threatened by worshipers of the magaverse leader.
Yup. Both sides have dimwits, though, so what can you do 🤷🏼♂️
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/10/13/federal-officials-nc-temporarily-relocated-amid-report-armed-militia-email-shows/
Quote from: MU82 on October 13, 2024, 05:47:37 PM
Now FEMA workers are getting threatened by worshipers of the magaverse leader.
The cowardly MAGAts threaten everyone.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2024, 07:10:59 PM
Yup. Both sides have dimwits, though, so what can you do 🤷🏼♂️
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/10/13/federal-officials-nc-temporarily-relocated-amid-report-armed-militia-email-shows/
Maybe they wouldn't be threatened if they stopped seizing private property to mine lithium.
Federal emergency-response staffers in hard-hit Rutherford County, North Carolina were directed on Saturday to stop working and move to a different area due to concerns about "armed militia" members on the prowl for FEMA personnel.
Biden now has authority/immunity to have anyone attacking FEMA shot. Maybe it's time to use it if these reports are true.
And just think, if these MAGAts are willing to do this now, what will they do after the election? Modern day brown shirts.
It's a beautiful strategy. Domestic terrorists threaten FEMA workers ... who, for their own protection, must delay responding to the crisis ... leading to the terrorists' god screaming that FEMA isn't doing anything.
Quote from: MU82 on October 14, 2024, 11:57:10 AM
It's a beautiful strategy. Domestic terrorists threaten FEMA workers ... who, for their own protection, must delay responding to the crisis ... leading to the terrorists' god screaming that FEMA isn't doing anything.
In a just society, the national guard or military or police would step in to confront those domestic terrorists. But that would likely lead to civil war type escalation
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 12, 2024, 03:08:43 PM
Brother Snoop:
Thanks. I live on a barrier island (Indian River Shores) and we watch flooding carefully. However, we are at the high spot on the island (20 feet) and have a 10 foot berms by the beach, Florida A1A, a midrise condo building, retention pond and a block of our neighbors' homes between us and a flood.
We are one of the few homes in our neighborhood not in a flood plain. We also have excellent to outstanding flood drainage into storm sewers and deep drainage canals nearby.
As to mobile homes, the problems in Florida are no different than in Iowa, Nebraska or Kansas. When severe weather hits, a mobile home is not where I would want to be. The people who died at Spanish Oaks, just outside Vero Beach, were in mobile homes. There are shelters in our state as well as others where mobile home residents can go.
Brother dgies,
I was just curious about your home insurance costs. What are we looking at yearly with property taxes? Ty.
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 14, 2024, 02:32:40 PM
In a just society, the national guard or military or police would step in to confront those domestic terrorists. But that would likely lead to civil war type escalation
Can you imagine the response from the right if antifa (rather than trumptifa) were interfering with FEMA like this?
You sure FEMA isn't Antifa?
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on October 15, 2024, 11:28:37 AM
You sure FEMA isn't Antifa?
They're basically the same. I saw on Facebook FEMA workers have the hammer and sickle on their uniforms. Makes you think
Made it to Florida, 12.5 hours in a direct shot, a new personal record.
Scooping up my mom tomorrow AM to head back to Maryland.
Quote from: reinko on October 15, 2024, 03:45:35 PM
Made it to Florida, 12.5 hours in a direct shot, a new personal record.
Scooping up my mom tomorrow AM to head back to Maryland.
Continued safe travels.
Time to rename the thread "Stay Safe FEMA Workers"?
CARTER COUNTY, Tenn. (WJHL) — There were some tense moments on Saturday when volunteers witnessed an armed group of people confronting and threatening FEMA workers in the Elk Mills community of Carter County in Tennessee.
https://thehill.com/homenews/4936262-fema-threatened-armed-group-tennessee/
Quote from: Pakuni on October 16, 2024, 11:28:35 AM
Time to rename the thread "Stay Safe FEMA Workers"?
CARTER COUNTY, Tenn. (WJHL) — There were some tense moments on Saturday when volunteers witnessed an armed group of people confronting and threatening FEMA workers in the Elk Mills community of Carter County in Tennessee.
https://thehill.com/homenews/4936262-fema-threatened-armed-group-tennessee/
One man causes this to happen. Pull FEMA and let this man send his proud boys and brownshirts to clean up.
Just a constant race to see who can get another Superbar thread locked for the same stupid worthless crap. Hopefully everyone in Florida fared well in the storm, no matter who you are voting for this November.
I miss the days when it was just arguments about if Vander was enthusiastic enough with his high fives on the bench.
Quote from: MU_B on October 16, 2024, 02:25:47 PM
Just a constant race to see who can get another Superbar thread locked for the same stupid worthless crap. Hopefully everyone in Florida fared well in the storm, no matter who you are voting for this November.
I miss the days when it was just arguments about if Vander was enthusiastic enough with his high fives on the bench.
He wasn't.
Terrible slap-of-fiver.
And that's what's ruining this country!
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 14, 2024, 05:58:30 PM
Brother dgies,
I was just curious about your home insurance costs. What are we looking at yearly with property taxes?
LTy.
Brother Muggs:
My insurance costs are between $6,500 and $7,500 annually. For a $500,000 home on our island in our county, taxes are about $6,000. HOAs are between $3,000 and $8,000.
The problem is condos, which have deferred maintenance and now have special assessments coming to deal with fixing structural maintenance problems.
Quote from: MU_B on October 16, 2024, 02:25:47 PM
I miss the days when it was just arguments about if Vander was enthusiastic enough with his high fives on the bench.
My understand is that his lack of enthusiasm was because FEMA took his house.
Quote from: MU_B on October 16, 2024, 02:25:47 PM
Just a constant race to see who can get another Superbar thread locked for the same stupid worthless crap. Hopefully everyone in Florida fared well in the storm, no matter who you are voting for this November.
I miss the days when it was just arguments about if Vander was enthusiastic enough with his high fives on the bench.
Only sh!t left on this board. Avoid at all costs.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 16, 2024, 02:53:21 PM
Brother Muggs:
My insurance costs are between $6,500 and $7,500 annually. For a $500,000 home on our island in our county, taxes are about $6,000. HOAs are between $3,000 and $8,000.
Okay. I actually thought it would be more. Ty.
The problem is condos, which have deferred maintenance and now have special assessments coming to deal with fixing structural maintenance problems.
Quote from: NCMUFan on October 16, 2024, 04:08:59 PM
Only sh!t left on this board. Avoid at all costs.
And yet, here you are.
I hate these threads so much I am gonna keep posting in them to make sure they stay relevant and at the top of the board.
I am a dimwit median voter too.
Quote from: MU_B on October 16, 2024, 02:25:47 PM
Just a constant race to see who can get another Superbar thread locked for the same stupid worthless crap. Hopefully everyone in Florida fared well in the storm, no matter who you are voting for this November.
I miss the days when it was just arguments about if Vander was enthusiastic enough with his high fives on the bench.
They'd all fare much better if those with microphones would tell the truth
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 15, 2024, 04:09:41 PM
Continued safe travels.
Appreciate it! Currently spending the night in Waltersboro, SC, with about 7-8 hrs. remaining tomorrow.
Legggooooo
OK gang, time for a reality check.
Florida was hit hard by tornados and two hurricanes. Many of our friends had their homes damaged, their lives upended and, in a few cases (six), people were killed in our extended community.
North Carolina has a similar story.
We pray for people's safety. We aid the recovery and we help bury the dead. In our community in Indian River County, people don't care what your politics are. If you need help, our government is there. I've been out of the country but I've been reading of volunteer efforts to get people back on their feet, feed first responders and folks who need a hand. Our churches and our community have created places where people can go to cool off, recharge their phone and get fed and even clothed or housed, if necessary.
Not a damn one of our people was ever asked whether they were a MAGA Republican or a liberal Democrat. They are people and they're in need. So we help.
We're not nirvana in IRC by any means. But what we argue about most of the time is trivial when we have a disaster. When this is over and the last mutual-aid utility truck packs up for home, I do hope our state evaluates what happened and how we can do better. It's the right thing to do and when it is over, we'll go back to arguing about stupid things -- like banning books. But when it mattered, so did our community.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 17, 2024, 08:58:41 AM
OK gang, time for a reality check.
Florida was hit hard by tornados and two hurricanes. Many of our friends had their homes damaged, their lives upended and, in a few cases (six), people were killed in our extended community.
North Carolina has a similar story.
We pray for people's safety. We aid the recovery and we help bury the dead. In our community in Indian River County, people don't care what your politics are. If you need help, our government is there. I've been out of the country but I've been reading of volunteer efforts to get people back on their feet, feed first responders and folks who need a hand. Our churches and our community have created places where people can go to cool off, recharge their phone and get fed and even clothed or housed, if necessary.
Not a damn one of our people was ever asked whether they were a MAGA Republican or a liberal Democrat. They are people and they're in need. So we help.
We're not nirvana in IRC by any means. But what we argue about most of the time is trivial when we have a disaster. When this is over and the last mutual-aid utility truck packs up for home, I do hope our state evaluates what happened and how we can do better. It's the right thing to do and when it is over, we'll go back to arguing about stupid things -- like banning books. But when it mattered, so did our community.
Great post dgies!
Then who is threatening FEMA workers and meteorologists? Who is spreading rumors about Biden controlling the hurricane?
I agree that MOST people are good and want to help their neighbors, but we have to face harsher realities as well.
Quote from: Jockey on October 17, 2024, 09:38:31 AM
Then who is threatening FEMA workers and meteorologists? Who is spreading rumors about Biden controlling the hurricane?
I agree that MOST people are good and want to help their neighbors, but we have to face harsher realities as well.
Brother Jockey:
Look, every society has its extremes. We've seen way too much of our extremes in recent years. But, one of the big mistakes too many people make in life is expecting the exception, rather than realizing an exception is just that -- an exception to societal norms.
Our media loves crime stories and loves nothing better than to make a mountain out of a molecule. To turn the exception into the norm. It's what happens when people go to Journalism school to write rather than report. And if you can throw in some hate filled politics that furthers a reporter's agenda and gets the reporter a column or a better job, all the better.
I don't know how true the FEMA stories are but I know one thing, any help right now is better than no help at all. And, I suspect our community is the norm rather than the exception in our country.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 17, 2024, 10:14:27 AM
Brother Jockey:
Look, every society has its extremes. We've seen way too much of our extremes in recent years. But, one of the big mistakes too many people make in life is expecting the exception, rather than realizing an exception is just that -- an exception to societal norms.
Our media loves crime stories and loves nothing better than to make a mountain out of a molecule. To turn the exception into the norm. It's what happens when people go to Journalism school to write rather than report. And if you can throw in some hate filled politics that furthers a reporter's agenda and gets the reporter a column or a better job, all the better.
I don't know how true the FEMA stories are but I know one thing, any help right now is better than no help at all. And, I suspect our community is the norm rather than the exception in our country.
But that doesn't mean you ignore the exception. Because if you do, it normalizes it and eventually becomes part of the norm
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 17, 2024, 10:14:27 AM
Brother Jockey:
Look, every society has its extremes. We've seen way too much of our extremes in recent years. But, one of the big mistakes too many people make in life is expecting the exception, rather than realizing an exception is just that -- an exception to societal norms.
Our media loves crime stories and loves nothing better than to make a mountain out of a molecule. To turn the exception into the norm. It's what happens when people go to Journalism school to write rather than report. And if you can throw in some hate filled politics that furthers a reporter's agenda and gets the reporter a column or a better job, all the better.
If stories about people rescuing kittens, donating to their church's winter coat drive and being good neighbors attracted eyeballs, then that's what you'd see in the media. Unfortunately, those stories don't attract eyeballs.
Like any other business, the media has to give consumers what they want. Don't blame the media, blame the consumer. What you see is merely a reflection of what the public wants Or better yet, blame human nature, because that's what draws us to conflict and tragedy.
Want a media that doesn't do this? Make them tax-exempt and subsidize them. Otherwise, if you expect media outlets to fend for themselves like any other business, then you shouldn't complain when they act like any other business.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 17, 2024, 10:55:04 AM
If stories about people rescuing kittens, donating to their church's winter coat drive and being good neighbors attracted eyeballs, then that's what you'd see in the media. Unfortunately, those stories don't attract eyeballs.
Like any other business, the media has to give consumers what they want. Don't blame the media, blame the consumer. What you see is merely a reflection of what the public wants Or better yet, blame human nature, because that's what draws us to conflict and tragedy.
Want a media that doesn't do this? Make them tax-exempt and subsidize them. Otherwise, if you expect media outlets to fend for themselves like any other business, then you shouldn't complain when they act like any other business.
Bingo.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 17, 2024, 10:39:51 AM
But that doesn't mean you ignore the exception. Because if you do, it normalizes it and eventually becomes part of the norm
People trying to help people after a catastrophe are being threatened by one side whose political leader is spouting lies that are being echoed by his most extreme and loud followers and it's a media issue.
Makes sense
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 17, 2024, 11:00:02 AM
People trying to help people after a catastrophe are being threatened by one side whose political leader is spouting lies that are being echoed by his most extreme and loud followers and it's a media issue.
Makes sense
Yep. We had an aspiring president and vice president hearing a couple of unverified reports and then spouting them repeatedly on national TV -
They're eating the dogs! They're eating the cats! They're eating the pets!They spread their lies, and it led to real consequences - not just for the hard-working and
legal Haitian immigrants they slandered, but also for the entire Springfield community. Schools had to close, public services were affected, people's safety was threatened, etc.
The GOP "leaders" continued their lies long after the Republican governor, Republican mayor and Republican city manager told them the stories weren't true. They continued their lies long after the Facebook posters who made them up admitted they weren't true. Hell, the pathological liar who co-opted the entire Republican Party was still spouting the lies YESTERDAY.
Yes, every society has their extremists. Ours just happens to have the biggest extremist of all - a convicted felon who can't say 10 words without lying 3 times - leading the way.
Quote from: MU82 on October 17, 2024, 11:16:07 AM
Yep. We had an aspiring president and vice president hearing a couple of unverified reports and then spouting them repeatedly on national TV - They're eating the dogs! They're eating the cats! They're eating the pets!
They spread their lies, and it led to real consequences - not just for the hard-working and legal Haitian immigrants they slandered, but also for the entire Springfield community. Schools had to close, public services were affected, people's safety was threatened, etc.
The GOP "leaders" continued their lies long after the Republican governor, Republican mayor and Republican city manager told them the stories weren't true. They continued their lies long after the Facebook posters who made them up admitted they weren't true. Hell, the pathological liar who co-opted the entire Republican Party was still spouting the lies YESTERDAY.
Yes, every society has their extremists. Ours just happens to have the biggest extremist of all - a convicted felon who can't say 10 words without lying 3 times - leading the way.
Fear and control, aina?
Quote from: Pakuni on October 17, 2024, 10:55:04 AM
If stories about people rescuing kittens, donating to their church's winter coat drive and being good neighbors attracted eyeballs, then that's what you'd see in the media. Unfortunately, those stories don't attract eyeballs.
Like any other business, the media has to give consumers what they want. Don't blame the media, blame the consumer. What you see is merely a reflection of what the public wants Or better yet, blame human nature, because that's what draws us to conflict and tragedy.
It isn't about rescuing kittens and contributing to coat drives. It's about feeding people, clothing people, coming out with chain saws to clean up storm damage, about volunteering to help people get tarps on their roofs.
It's the same thousands of acts of kindness and compassion that existed during 9-11 and at times of disaster all over our great country. Maybe you haven't put yourself out for people or maybe you expect the government to do it for you, but don't belittle the people who do it.
Kittens and coat drives? Frankly, that's insulting.
As for media, porn sells too, quite effectively. We don't publish porn because, we think better of ourselves and our communities than to do that. If we applied the same standard to crime reporting we do to oth we r things, half the journalists in America still employed by old be looking for work.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 17, 2024, 03:28:13 PM
It isn't about rescuing kittens and contributing to coat drives. It's about feeding people, clothing people, coming out with chain saws to clean up storm damage, about volunteering to help people get tarps on their roofs.
It's the same thousands of acts of kindness and compassion that existed during 9-11 and at times of disaster all over our great country. Maybe you haven't put yourself out for people or maybe you expect the government to do it for you, but don't belittle the people who do it.
These stories are literally all over the place. They're remarkably easy to find. But I guarantee those stories are getting far fewer clicks that the ones showing devastation and suffering.
I belittled no one, and certainly not people who help others. But thanks for the insult.
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As for media, porn sells too, quite effectively. We don't publish porn because, we think better of ourselves and our communities than to do that. If we applied the same standard to crime reporting we do to oth we r things, half the journalists in America still employed by old be looking for work.
Porn sells, but not on NBC news or CNN or the NY Times. There are massive financial disincentives to such entities publishing/airing porn, namely how it will turn away advertisers and a large portion of your audience. For better or worse, we live in a country where people have no problem sitting down with the kids to watch a movie or TV show depicting dozens of violent deaths, but showing a boob or a butt is outrageous. So, the media feeds the public what it wants.
speaking to a friend of mine who watches fox news, he has seen nothing about threats to meteorologists and/or fema workers. this is all news to me too. you guys need to turn off the view, MSNBC, CNN, ray madow and all of these purported sources of media whipping you into frenzy, take a breath and go hug your significant other...it's gonna be alright
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 17, 2024, 06:35:57 PM
speaking to a friend of mine who watches fox news, he has seen nothing about threats to meteorologists and/or fema workers. this is all news to me too. you guys need to turn off the view, MSNBC, CNN, ray madow and all of these purported sources of media whipping you into frenzy, take a breath and go hug your significant other...it's gonna be alright
9 out of 10
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 17, 2024, 06:35:57 PM
speaking to a friend of mine who watches fox news, he has seen nothing about threats to meteorologists and/or fema workers. this is all news to me too. you guys need to turn off the view, MSNBC, CNN, ray madow and all of these purported sources of media whipping you into frenzy, take a breath and go hug your significant other...it's gonna be alright
Simple Google search.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTyK1TeABkU
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 17, 2024, 06:35:57 PM
speaking to a friend of mine who watches fox news, he has seen nothing about threats to meteorologists and/or fema workers. this is all news to me too. you guys need to turn off the view, MSNBC, CNN, ray madow and all of these purported sources of media whipping you into frenzy, take a breath and go hug your significant other...it's gonna be alright
Is the AP news an acceptable source?
https://apnews.com/article/fema-north-carolina-disinformation-threats-militia-04b8f753a82c652bc013d556d22a5d46
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 17, 2024, 06:47:54 PM
Is the AP news an acceptable source?
https://apnews.com/article/fema-north-carolina-disinformation-threats-militia-04b8f753a82c652bc013d556d22a5d46
No, but Fox News is.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-man-accused-threatening-fema-workers-assault-rifle-amid-hurricane-helene-clean-up
I really want to assume he's trolling, but it doesn't seem like the case.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 17, 2024, 08:58:41 AM
We pray for people's safety. We aid the recovery and we help bury the dead. In our community in Indian River County, people don't care what your politics are. If you need help, our government is there. I've been out of the country but I've been reading of volunteer efforts to get people back on their feet, feed first responders and folks who need a hand. Our churches and our community have created places where people can go to cool off, recharge their phone and get fed and even clothed or housed, if necessary.
Not a damn one of our people was ever asked whether they were a MAGA Republican or a liberal Democrat. They are people and they're in need. So we help.
We're not nirvana in IRC by any means. But what we argue about most of the time is trivial when we have a disaster. When this is over and the last mutual-aid utility truck packs up for home, I do hope our state evaluates what happened and how we can do better. It's the right thing to do and when it is over, we'll go back to arguing about stupid things -- like banning books. But when it mattered, so did our community.
We can argue about the media coverage and what sells and the politicization of all of this, but I do find it refreshing in times like these to see that stuff melt away, like Dgies is alluding to.
I spent about 90 min at a big public sandbagging setup the Sunday before Milton. The parking lot was as diverse as you could ever see, multiple 6 figure sticker price SUVS and expensive pick ups all the way down to absolute beaters. Double digit MAGA car stickers/apparel and plenty of the exact flip side. But the sand pile was the most beautiful bit of humanity you could hope to see.
Saw a dude who was ripped from the MAGA meme of dudes in Oakleys and goatees shoveling sand for a family that barely spoke English and then later using a dolly to help two young black dudes load bags into their car. Guy with full neck tats joking with a Sikh dude in a turban about the Dolphins game while their kids were playing in the sand. Just everyone helping everyone keep it moving as rain was coming in. It sounds like a corny Hallmark movie story but it was just people helping people.
More personally, my wife is in a big mom's group for play dates and what not, which operates a lot through Facebook. All over the place demo wise, but notably a VERY liberal mom who is obnoxiously boisterous about it and another who is so MAGA she would do stuff like the "Fight Fight" fist pump if she saw a car with Trump stuff go by. Needless to say, they aren't the best of friends. Well, Liberal Mom evacuated to Miami with family but offered and subsequently housed MAGA mom's in laws at her house as it was not in an evacuation or flood zone without a second thought. And they've been quite chummy since.
Very easy to lose site of it, but the VAST VAST majority of normal people, red or blue, are just people with opinions who given the chance will default to their humanity rather than tribal ties.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 17, 2024, 07:54:52 PM
We can argue about the media coverage and what sells and the politicization of all of this, but I do find it refreshing in times like these to see that stuff melt away, like Dgies is alluding to.
I spent about 90 min at a big public sandbagging setup the Sunday before Milton. The parking lot was as diverse as you could ever see, multiple 6 figure sticker price SUVS and expensive pick ups all the way down to absolute beaters. Double digit MAGA car stickers/apparel and plenty of the exact flip side. But the sand pile was the most beautiful bit of humanity you could hope to see.
Saw a dude who was ripped from the MAGA meme of dudes in Oakleys and goatees shoveling sand for a family that barely spoke English and then later using a dolly to help two young black dudes load bags into their car. Guy with full neck tats joking with a Sikh dude in a turban about the Dolphins game while their kids were playing in the sand. Just everyone helping everyone keep it moving as rain was coming in. It sounds like a corny Hallmark movie story but it was just people helping people.
More personally, my wife is in a big mom's group for play dates and what not, which operates a lot through Facebook. All over the place demo wise, but notably a VERY liberal mom who is obnoxiously boisterous about it and another who is so MAGA she would do stuff like the "Fight Fight" fist pump if she saw a car with Trump stuff go by. Needless to say, they aren't the best of friends. Well, Liberal Mom evacuated to Miami with family but offered and subsequently housed MAGA mom's in laws at her house as it was not in an evacuation or flood zone without a second thought. And they've been quite chummy since.
Very easy to lose site of it, but the VAST VAST majority of normal people, red or blue, are just people with opinions who given the chance will default to their humanity rather than tribal ties.
You and dgies get it. The VAST majority of people rise to the occasion and help their neighbors in times of trouble/emergency. More fun, though, to focus on some nut with a rifle in the mountains of NC. As Kurt Vonnegut used to say, "so it goes".
All good stuff wags.
Personally, love to hear it.
My personal viewpoint is that I wish those with the microphones would get in line with the "people helping people" idea as opposed to casting blame, spreading rumors, etc
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 17, 2024, 10:14:27 AM
Brother Jockey:
Look, every society has its extremes. We've seen way too much of our extremes in recent years. But, one of the big mistakes too many people make in life is expecting the exception, rather than realizing an exception is just that -- an exception to societal norms.
Our media loves crime stories and loves nothing better than to make a mountain out of a molecule. To turn the exception into the norm. It's what happens when people go to Journalism school to write rather than report. And if you can throw in some hate filled politics that furthers a reporter's agenda and gets the reporter a column or a better job, all the better.
I don't know how true the FEMA stories are but I know one thing, any help right now is better than no help at all. And, I suspect our community is the norm rather than the exception in our country.
I appreciate the response, dgies.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 17, 2024, 07:54:52 PM
We can argue about the media coverage and what sells and the politicization of all of this, but I do find it refreshing in times like these to see that stuff melt away, like Dgies is alluding to.
I spent about 90 min at a big public sandbagging setup the Sunday before Milton. The parking lot was as diverse as you could ever see, multiple 6 figure sticker price SUVS and expensive pick ups all the way down to absolute beaters. Double digit MAGA car stickers/apparel and plenty of the exact flip side. But the sand pile was the most beautiful bit of humanity you could hope to see.
Saw a dude who was ripped from the MAGA meme of dudes in Oakleys and goatees shoveling sand for a family that barely spoke English and then later using a dolly to help two young black dudes load bags into their car. Guy with full neck tats joking with a Sikh dude in a turban about the Dolphins game while their kids were playing in the sand. Just everyone helping everyone keep it moving as rain was coming in. It sounds like a corny Hallmark movie story but it was just people helping people.
More personally, my wife is in a big mom's group for play dates and what not, which operates a lot through Facebook. All over the place demo wise, but notably a VERY liberal mom who is obnoxiously boisterous about it and another who is so MAGA she would do stuff like the "Fight Fight" fist pump if she saw a car with Trump stuff go by. Needless to say, they aren't the best of friends. Well, Liberal Mom evacuated to Miami with family but offered and subsequently housed MAGA mom's in laws at her house as it was not in an evacuation or flood zone without a second thought. And they've been quite chummy since.
Very easy to lose site of it, but the VAST VAST majority of normal people, red or blue, are just people with opinions who given the chance will default to their humanity rather than tribal ties.
Thanks wags.
Anyone else wondering why it is perfectly OK for a scooper to post on what bothers/angers/upsets him without counterbalancing it with a positive take on
anything, but
immediately insist that a post like dgies' be counterbalanced by what they fervently believe that dgies
should have addressed? :o
OK, we returned home last night after two weeks overseas and we're fortunate the tornados missed our home.
But parts of our community, including the Beachland Neighborhood of our island, look like a war zone. Stately old Spanish Oaks look like twigs. Tree branches are everywhere. Power crews are still repairing isolated problems and outages. Roofs are gone over and over, including from our bank. Buildings standing for 50+ years have been hollowed out. Our downtown looks like nature took a chainsaw to it and I haven't even gone anywhere near the Spanish Lakes subdivision, where seven people were killed.
All because of an EF-3 tornado.
Crap happens and, living in Florida, we should be used to this. But you never do become accustom to it. That's why it is important communities come together and why people need to care for each other.
dgies
Glad to hear your place avoided the tornado. Hope you had a nice journey overseas.
Florida official warns Hurricane Milton victims about scammers posing as FEMA workers
https://apnews.com/article/florida-hurricane-milton-fema-1ba3a3b96d6d5840913309cf98de2e8a?
SARASOTA, Fla. (AP) — The emergency management chief of the Florida county where Hurricane Milton made landfall earlier this month warned about reports of scammers in the area who are posing as Federal Emergency Management Agency officials and trying to get financial information from the storm's victims.
Sarasota County Emergency Management Chief Sandra Tapfumaneyi told residents on Thursday that some scammers with fake FEMA badges were asking residents for their bank account information, which they should never provide. Instead, hurricane victims seeking help should only share that on FEMA's online system, she said.
Quote from: MU82 on October 18, 2024, 03:23:35 PM
Florida official warns Hurricane Milton victims about scammers posing as FEMA workers
https://apnews.com/article/florida-hurricane-milton-fema-1ba3a3b96d6d5840913309cf98de2e8a?
SARASOTA, Fla. (AP) — The emergency management chief of the Florida county where Hurricane Milton made landfall earlier this month warned about reports of scammers in the area who are posing as Federal Emergency Management Agency officials and trying to get financial information from the storm's victims.
Sarasota County Emergency Management Chief Sandra Tapfumaneyi told residents on Thursday that some scammers with fake FEMA badges were asking residents for their bank account information, which they should never provide. Instead, hurricane victims seeking help should only share that on FEMA's online system, she said.
Now that's who the militias should be after
Not that I encourage anyone to assault FEMA employees, but man I feel bad for anyone needing FEMA assistance right now. It's every bad stereotype about a government agency portal malfunctioning or not working coming to life. I heard of people sitting on hold for 4-5 hours to file a claim. I tried this week and had to give up cause I couldn't even get on hold, the 800 number gave a busy signal, which is ridiculous.
Eventually spoke to an IT person on a different number who couldn't help but basically said call right away at 7AM or it's a literal crap shoot to be put through. There is an online portal, but it's buggy and terrible. For example, we live in an apartment complex, the website can't validate multiple units in our complex so it errors out and you have to manually call in. There is a FEMA app...that literally just opens a window to the same website. Oh, and if you mention you have insurance, so not to perjure yourself...your claim is immediately rejected and you have to file an appeal showing insurance didn't cover. They don't even allow the documentation before the claim is rejected. Just backwards
We're just applying for minor damages and costs resulting from the storms, I can't imagine how frustrating it is if you're inquiring about large scale or urgent help.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 18, 2024, 02:37:12 PM
OK, we returned home last night after two weeks overseas and we're fortunate the tornados missed our home.
But parts of our community, including the Beachland Neighborhood of our island, look like a war zone. Stately old Spanish Oaks look like twigs. Tree branches are everywhere. Power crews are still repairing isolated problems and outages. Roofs are gone over and over, including from our bank. Buildings standing for 50+ years have been hollowed out. Our downtown looks like nature took a chainsaw to it and I haven't even gone anywhere near the Spanish Lakes subdivision, where seven people were killed.
All because of an EF-3 tornado.
Crap happens and, living in Florida, we should be used to this. But you never do become accustom to it. That's why it is important communities come together and why people need to care for each other.
I was born and raised in Florida. First hurricane was when I was a ripe old age of 2, when our banyon tree fell on thankfully away from our house. I have experienced the eye of four hurricanes, including Francis, Jeanne, and Wilma. I live in Hawaii during cat 5 Iniki. Lived through several quakes in Southern California, including the 94 Northridge quake.
I have to admit, I typically take a more cavalier attitude than probably should. But that one hour period where the tornadoes were popping up around us, scared me more than any of those previous events. I have never seen that number of tornadoes so far from the eye of the hurricane. It was really unnerving.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 18, 2024, 10:06:32 PM
They don't even allow the documentation before the claim is rejected. Just backwards
We're just applying for minor damages and costs resulting from the storms, I can't imagine how frustrating it is if you're inquiring about large scale or urgent help.
Wait, you're in an apartment and calling FEMA?
I've always paid for renters insurance anywhere I've rented. Is there some differentiation I need to know about?
Quote from: JWags85 on October 18, 2024, 10:06:32 PM
Not that I encourage anyone to assault FEMA employees, but man I feel bad for anyone needing FEMA assistance right now. It's every bad stereotype about a government agency portal malfunctioning or not working coming to life. I heard of people sitting on hold for 4-5 hours to file a claim. I tried this week and had to give up cause I couldn't even get on hold, the 800 number gave a busy signal, which is ridiculous.
Eventually spoke to an IT person on a different number who couldn't help but basically said call right away at 7AM or it's a literal crap shoot to be put through. There is an online portal, but it's buggy and terrible. For example, we live in an apartment complex, the website can't validate multiple units in our complex so it errors out and you have to manually call in. There is a FEMA app...that literally just opens a window to the same website. Oh, and if you mention you have insurance, so not to perjure yourself...your claim is immediately rejected and you have to file an appeal showing insurance didn't cover. They don't even allow the documentation before the claim is rejected. Just backwards
We're just applying for minor damages and costs resulting from the storms, I can't imagine how frustrating it is if you're inquiring about large scale or urgent help.
I'm sorry for your troubles JWags. And all the Florida Scoopers.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on October 18, 2024, 11:40:21 PM
Wait, you're in an apartment and calling FEMA?
I've always paid for renters insurance anywhere I've rented. Is there some differentiation I need to know about?
It seems pretty obvious that people calling FEMA for small claims could be gumming up the system for those who really need help and making it harder for everybody. Maybe FEMA needs to set up multiple systems so that those that really need major help have first dibs on limited resources.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on October 19, 2024, 09:32:36 AM
It seems pretty obvious that people calling FEMA for small claims could be gumming up the system for those who really need help and making it harder for everybody. Maybe FEMA needs to set up multiple systems so that those that really need major help have first dibs on limited resources.
Right, though perhaps I focused on Wags "damages" words (which should go through renters insurance first) and not "other costs" (like temporarily displaced to a hotel) which I think FEMA should cover.
Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about Wags when I posted that, although I admit it could certainly be interpreted that way.
I would hope there is something in place already in terms of putting more serious needs to the front of the line but you never know.
We do have renters insurance and already went through the insurance and there were a variety of things they didn't cover, including hotel as well as some damage due to a power outage that State Farm wouldn't cover.
I wasn't even going to contact FEMA but our friend down here works for Duke and recommend it based on a few things.
But otherwise I agree, there is the $750 payment that they are paying to many people...and then there is more significant catastrophic damages. And there is no differentiation for the system which is a mess.
Certainly wasn't trying to scam or game the system, but if there are dedicated government funds being allocated for people in the same situation as us (including other friends in apartments), might as well accept it
NYT: Why Owning (and Buying) a Florida Condo Has 'Turned Into a Nightmare'
In the wake of a tragic 2021 building collapse, lawmakers are requiring condos to fund restoration projects. The bills are crippling homeowners.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/03/realestate/miami-condo-collapse-buying-selling.html?