NIL Future

[The Sultan]

Again , salary caps will not stop the cheating and paying under the table.Not having a salary cap would. Not having a salary cap would eliminate the need for the collectives. Players would be free to sign their own NIL deals.

Do you have a brain worm or something? Because I have explained repeatedly how it could work for NIL collectives. Yet you keep jabbering on about it being a problem. Outside NIL deals would be unlimited and obviously could be used

[lawdog77]

Do you have a brain worm or something? Because I have explained repeatedly how it could work for NIL collectives. Yet you keep jabbering on about it being a problem. Outside NIL deals would be unlimited and obviously could be used

You are the one who is not paying attention. If there is cap, there is plenty of room to cheat and pay players under the table.

[The Sultan]

You are the one who is not paying attention. If there is cap, there is plenty of room to cheat and pay players under the table.

By outside entities yes. It wouldn't be cheating. NIL collectives could be managed through the CBA process.

[THRILLHO]

amateurism sucks is your opinion. That's fine. Not all of us agree.

Amateurism is great but it's not the only great thing. If you're really an amateurism enthusiast you can go to high school or middle school games. You don't have a god given right to high level athletics performed by amateurs. It's sad in the same sense that it's sad that you don't get paid for being a masseuse to swimwear models.

[lawdog77]

By outside entities yes. It wouldn't be cheating. NIL collectives could be managed through the CBA process.

If there was no cap, there would be no reason for outsiders to pay under the table. NIL opportunities would be true NIL opportunities,and there would be very little need for collectives.

[4everwarriors]

Crean sucks

[Lennys Tap]

I guess me being me means that I'm not a naive dimwit.

Why are you so perpetually angry?

[Viper]

When did Viper go from simply being a poster obsessed with the Badgers to rocket 2.0?

still obsessed. Lots of Badger hate. December can't get here soon enough.

[Viper]

Your opinion sucks.

thats 15 yds, Sully. Flagrant. 1st & Goal, Viper!

[Spotcheck Billy]

Andretti lost control. Authority eroded due to $. Al would support NIL to a point, until $ erodes authority. (probably why Saban retired from 'Bama. He saw it coming)

Andretti sold off part of it to Towriss who has invested heavily in the team since. It's not like Andretti was tricked into losing Graceland

[The Lens]

yes, but as Lenny's Tap said...up to the point where Al's authority is eroded.  Current example...Michael Andretti is out of Andretti Autosport...his own and namesake race team!!! Why? Big $ sponsor unhappy with...Michael Andretti. So, Andretti out, or $-man out. Andretti diminished to the point $-man wins. NIL is going to get wild and soon.
btw, could we get AL off the waistband and back on the jersey, please.

Al, liked to say he was a dictator on the court but only on the court. He's the same guy who said: I may not not agree with everything the blacks say on campus but it's occured to me that I might be wrong and they may be right.

[The Sultan]

Andretti lost control. Authority eroded due to $. Al would support NIL to a point, until $ erodes authority. (probably why Saban retired from 'Bama. He saw it coming)

And that's fine. College football doesn't need Nick Saban. College basketball didn't need Al.

But good coaches can manage NIL without it undermining what they need to do.

[The Lens]

And that's fine. College football doesn't need Nick Saban. College basketball didn't need Al.

But good coaches can manage NIL without it undermining what they need to do.

Listen to Shaka talk about NIL, he's proud that MU pays their guys a very solid "wage" but he says he wants guys who want to be here and don't come for the money.  He needs buy in on culture etc.  We have guys making significant 6 figure deals who still run hills at St Mary's. You can have both.

[The Sultan]

Listen to Shaka talk about NIL, he's proud that MU pays their guys a very solid "wage" but he says he wants guys who want to be here and don't come for the money.  He needs buy in on culture etc.  We have guys making significant 6 figure deals who still run hills at St Mary's. You can have both.

Right. These are the same arguments that were presented when professional athlete salaries boomed, and they turned out to be unfounded.

In fact, the financial stability that the compensation provides allows them to be even more dedicated to their craft. They don't have to take a second job in the off season to make ends meet, etc.

[UWW2MU]

If there was no cap, there would be no reason for outsiders to pay under the table. NIL opportunities would be true NIL opportunities,and there would be very little need for collectives.

Just trying to understand some people's mindset with this.   If I understand your perspective regarding setting rules based on cheating:
if you're spouse cheats on you, it's best to change the rules of your marriage to have an open relationship because that would eliminate the fact they're going behind your back?  Since it's inevitable anyway...

[WhiteTrash]

If there was no cap, there would be no reason for outsiders to pay under the table. NIL opportunities would be true NIL opportunities,and there would be very little need for collectives.

Right? Rules and regulations are for the weak. Just look how the NFL screwed up with its cap.

[Pakuni]

Right? Rules and regulations are for the weak. Just look how the NFL screwed up with its cap.

The NFL cap controls direct payments from employer to employee (i.e. salaries), not sponsorship opportunities from outside entities. So, it's pretty irrelevant to a discussion about NIL.

That said ...
The cap is a result of collective bargaining between the owners and unionized employees.
The NCAA won't treat the players as employees and has vehemently opposed their efforts to unionize.

[dgies9156]

College basketball didn't need Al.

Excuse me! You must not have been in the streets the night we won the Natty.

We are college basketball. A big part of its history!

Al was our coach who won a Natty.

Therefore, College Basketball needed Al.

We've been in search of the next Al for decades. We hope we have found him!!!!!

[The Sultan]

Excuse me! You must not have been in the streets the night we won the Natty.

We are college basketball. A big part of its history!

Al was our coach who won a Natty.

Therefore, College Basketball needed Al.

We've been in search of the next Al for decades. We hope we have found him!!!!!

Marquette needed Al.

College basketball got more popular when Al retired. I'm not suggesting that those events are connected at all, but Al was just a coach.

[WhiteTrash]

The NFL cap controls direct payments from employer to employee (i.e. salaries), not sponsorship opportunities from outside entities. So, it's pretty irrelevant to a discussion about NIL.

That said ...
The cap is a result of collective bargaining between the owners and unionized employees.
The NCAA won't treat the players as employees and has vehemently opposed their efforts to unionize.

All in all, it all needs to be changed.

The cap / NIL discussion is not completely irrelevant and since NIL is acting as player's salaries and a driver of FA (transfer portal). But I agree with you further points about unions, and CB, which would render the discussion irrelevant.   

Why the NCAA schools don't follow the blueprint of other successful pro-sports is mindboggling. 

[The Sultan]

All in all, it all needs to be changed.

The cap / NIL discussion is not completely irrelevant and since NIL is acting as player's salaries and a driver of FA (transfer portal). But I agree with you further points about unions, and CB, which would render the discussion irrelevant.   

Why the NCAA schools don't follow the blueprint of other successful pro-sports is mindboggling. 

Why?  I have a couple thoughts on that.

1. They have been dragged kicking and screaming into this model. If they were smarter, they would have seen that this was the inevitable outcome, but were too obsessed with the way they have always done things. People in these situations tend to not be visionary.

2. There are legitimate resource concerns at a lot of schools. G5, lower level ACC and B12 programs, etc. Making the student-athletes employees would be expensive. Not simply because of the straight out salary payments, but payroll taxes, workers comp insurance, health care, etc.  If I'm a school like Temple or East Carolina, I have no idea how I would manage and prioritize this.

These are the reasons the B10 and SEC schools are being so proactive here. They have the money to make it work and realize the NCAA is hopeless at this point.

[willie warrior]

Excuse me! You must not have been in the streets the night we won the Natty.

We are college basketball. A big part of its history!

Al was our coach who won a Natty.

Therefore, College Basketball needed Al.

We've been in search of the next Al for decades. We hope we have found him!!!!!

Shaka is great for MU. But there will never ever never be another Al. NEVER

[Uncle Rico]

Shaka is great for MU. But there will never ever never be another Al. NEVER

He could be cloned but the woke mob won't let us

[dgies9156]

Marquette needed Al.

College basketball got more popular when Al retired. I'm not suggesting that those events are connected at all, but Al was just a coach.

Just a coach?

I suppose Jesus was just a god.

The Wright Brothers were just bicycle mechanics.

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were just electronic junkies.

George Washington was just a President?

Al was AL!!!! He's the reason Marquette is more than a local university on the shores of Lake Michigan. He brought us attention, contributions and reputation.

Shake, we hope, will someday be SHAKA!!!!! too!

[Viper]

Marquette needed Al.

College basketball got more popular when Al retired. I'm not suggesting that those events are connected at all, but Al was just a coach.

Al 'was just a coach' is your most ignorant statement yet...and that's saying something.
Unbelievable stupidity.