Top 5 Americans that will go medieval other than Ledecky and Biles?
Medieval? The joust? Sword fighting? Caber toss? Burning witches at the stake? Plague spread?
Quote from: tower912 on June 18, 2024, 06:17:36 PM
Medieval? The joust? Sword fighting? Caber toss? Burning witches at the stake? Plague spread?
Do we have any decent fencers? You know what I mean.
Richardson will throttle her competition. Forgot about her.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 18, 2024, 06:21:44 PM
Do we have any decent fencers? You know what I mean.
Fencing? Who cares?
Bring on the logrollers.
Quote from: Jockey on June 18, 2024, 06:23:32 PM
Fencing? Who cares?
Bring on the logrollers.
What does our archery team look like?
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 18, 2024, 06:25:20 PM
What does our archery team look like?
Breakdancing. We will dominate
Just hoping our dopers get caught less often than the other countries' dopers.
We're only expected to get 125 medals? That seems low to me.
Scoop's gonna get 125 medals? We effen rule!
The sooner it ends, the sooner football season gets here.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 07:11:53 PM
The sooner it ends, the sooner football season gets here.
Olympics>>>>>>>>>football
Any sport other than NASCAR and LIV golf>>>>>> college football.
Not even planning to watch.
Incredibly bored by the whole thing.
Give me the Packers over the Olympics any day of the week.
Another world record in Indy. Should be interesting to see US vs Australia in swimming.
Pretty cool setup for the pool in Lucas Oil stadium.
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 18, 2024, 07:37:18 PM
Not even planning to watch.
Incredibly bored by the whole thing.
Give me the Packers over the Olympics any day of the week.
The gymnastics are good brother dgies.
Quote from: tower912 on June 18, 2024, 07:20:03 PM
Any sport other than NASCAR and LIV golf>>>>>> college football.
Shouldn't the crowd have been yelling SA. SA?
Instead of USA. USA.
Volleyball, the sprinting in track, short distance swimming are all fun.
The opening ceremony will be unlike any other.
I'm boycotting the Paris Olympics. Sounds woke
We'll watch some gymnastics, some track, a little swimming and diving, maybe some of the gold-medal basketball or volleyball games. I'm curious about how the Nadal-Alcaraz pairing will do, too.
Can only watch so much, and both the DEFCON-3 level jingoism and long feature stories bore us.
In all, maybe we'll watch 10-12 hours. We'll enjoy the competitions we like, and then we'll be happy the hype is over.
Quote from: MU82 on June 19, 2024, 07:57:52 AM
We'll watch some gymnastics, some track, a little swimming and diving, maybe some of the gold-medal basketball or volleyball games. I'm curious about how the Nadal-Alcaraz pairing will do, too.
Can only watch so much, and both the DEFCON-3 level jingoism and long feature stories bore us.
In all, maybe we'll watch 10-12 hours. We'll enjoy the competitions we like, and then we'll be happy the hype is over.
Who is displaying jingoism on the broadcast? It's a big stretch to say that because NBC shows more American athletes, or shows a medal count, that this constitutes jingoism. Most of America wants to see American athletes. It's like that in every country. Calling it jingoism is hyperbole.
Get the peacock app and you can watch any event you like.
Viewers who want to stream the Olympics can sign up for a Peacock account. With a Peacock Premium subscription (only $5.99 a month), you'll get access to the full NBC broadcast of the Paris Olympics, including Opening and Closing Ceremonies, plus live streaming coverage of every single sport, competition session and medal ceremony. Also included are always-on Olympics channels, replays, highlights, documentaries and
nonstop commentary.-Okay this last part isn't really a selling point.
Quote from: MU82 on June 19, 2024, 07:57:52 AM
We'll watch some gymnastics, some track, a little swimming and diving, maybe some of the gold-medal basketball or volleyball games. I'm curious about how the Nadal-Alcaraz pairing will do, too.
Can only watch so much, and both the DEFCON-3 level jingoism and long feature stories bore us.
In all, maybe we'll watch 10-12 hours. We'll enjoy the competitions we like, and then we'll be happy the hype is over.
Jingoism shouldn't bother you. Not snagging 200+ of the 339 medals should.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 19, 2024, 08:20:28 AM
Jingoism shouldn't bother you. Not snagging 200+ of the 339 medals should.
We'd win more but the USOC is woke
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 18, 2024, 06:21:44 PM
Do we have any decent fencers? You know what I mean.
Yes, actually.
Lee Kiefer is world's top ranked female foil fencer. She's a pretty good medal shot.
Quote from: jficke13 on June 19, 2024, 08:26:13 AM
Yes, actually.
Lee Kiefer is world's top ranked female foil fencer. She's a pretty good medal shot.
Nice! Ty.
Kiefer's husband, Alexander Massialas, is a past medalist as well. I don't know the Epee/Sabre teams very well, but between Kiefer and Massialas at least we have a reasonable shot at the podium in Foil
Quote from: jficke13 on June 19, 2024, 08:34:49 AM
Kiefer's husband, Alexander Massialas, is a past medalist as well. I don't know the Epee/Sabre teams very well, but between Kiefer and Massialas at least we have a reasonable shot at the podium in Foil
Aluminum or tin?
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 19, 2024, 08:08:25 AM
Who is displaying jingoism on the broadcast? It's a big stretch to say that because NBC shows more American athletes, or shows a medal count, that this constitutes jingoism. Most of America wants to see American athletes. It's like that in every country. Calling it jingoism is hyperbole.
Get the peacock app and you can watch any event you like.
Viewers who want to stream the Olympics can sign up for a Peacock account. With a Peacock Premium subscription (only $5.99 a month), you'll get access to the full NBC broadcast of the Paris Olympics, including Opening and Closing Ceremonies, plus live streaming coverage of every single sport, competition session and medal ceremony. Also included are always-on Olympics channels, replays, highlights, documentaries and nonstop commentary.-Okay this last part isn't really a selling point.
Fair enough. Jingo away; those who love that stuff can revel in it and and those who aren't as fond of it can just mute or watch other stuff. We'll mostly watch series and movies on Netflix, Amazon Prime, Apple+, Hulu, etc anyway.
There are few things more boring than opening and closing ceremonies IMHO ... but again, that's just my opinion and others are free to knock themselves out!
Quote from: wadesworld on June 18, 2024, 08:23:18 PM
Volleyball, the sprinting in track, short distance swimming are all fun.
Love the volleyball. Nadal and Alcarez are playing doubles together for Spain in tennis
Quote from: MU82 on June 19, 2024, 10:34:49 AM
Fair enough. Jingo away; those who love that stuff can revel in it and and those who aren't as fond of it can just mute or watch other stuff. We'll mostly watch series and movies on Netflix, Amazon Prime, Apple+, Hulu, etc anyway.
There are few things more boring than opening and closing ceremonies IMHO ... but again, that's just my opinion and others are free to knock themselves out!
You didn't like the opening ceremony where the one team had outfits that caught on fire?
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 19, 2024, 11:10:34 AM
You didn't like the opening ceremony where the one team had outfits that caught on fire?
Is Caesar Flickerman doing the play by play in Paris?
Quote from: MU82 on June 19, 2024, 10:34:49 AM
Fair enough. Jingo away; those who love that stuff can revel in it and and those who aren't as fond of it can just mute or watch other stuff. We'll mostly watch series and movies on Netflix, Amazon Prime, Apple+, Hulu, etc anyway.
There are few things more boring than opening and closing ceremonies IMHO ... but again, that's just my opinion and others are free to knock themselves out!
The opening ceremony is Paris itself. People will line the River Seine to view and the athletes will be on barges floating past the spectators.
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 19, 2024, 11:10:34 AM
You didn't like the opening ceremony where the one team had outfits that caught on fire?
That was cool, you're right. It led off most newscasts afterward, so I got to laugh at it later.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 19, 2024, 12:40:46 PM
The opening ceremony is Paris itself. People will line the River Seine to view and the athletes will be on barges floating past the spectators.
Enjoy!
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 19, 2024, 12:40:46 PM
The opening ceremony is Paris itself. People will line the River Seine to view and the athletes will be on barges floating past the spectators.
Sounds thrilling.
I wonder if Paris cleaned up. I haven't been there in a couple months, but the place was a cesspool. Litter and garbage and graffiti everywhere. Homeless, migrants everywhere. Ancient infrastructure and really difficult to get around. Makes Johannesburg look safe and pleasant. Hard to believe the Olympics went to a 3rd world city like that.
Quote from: WarriorFan on June 19, 2024, 03:16:34 PM
I wonder if Paris cleaned up. I haven't been there in a couple months, but the place was a cesspool. Litter and garbage and graffiti everywhere. Homeless, migrants everywhere. Ancient infrastructure and really difficult to get around. Makes Johannesburg look safe and pleasant. Hard to believe the Olympics went to a 3rd world city like that.
First time?
I've been to Paris several times in the last 12 months and it's no different than any large city. I've had no issues riding trains or the Metro. My daughter spent the last 9 months living in France and was in Paris every other weekend and never had an issue.
I've had discussions with the family recently about how out of control graphitti is in general throughout all of Europe. It feels like no country does much about stopping it.
Quote from: WarriorFan on June 19, 2024, 03:16:34 PM
I wonder if Paris cleaned up. I haven't been there in a couple months, but the place was a cesspool. Litter and garbage and graffiti everywhere. Homeless, migrants everywhere. Ancient infrastructure and really difficult to get around. Makes Johannesburg look safe and pleasant. Hard to believe the Olympics went to a 3rd world city like that.
It was there or Milwaukee.
Quote from: MU82 on June 19, 2024, 07:57:52 AM
We'll watch some gymnastics, some track, a little swimming and diving, maybe some of the gold-medal basketball or volleyball games. I'm curious about how the Nadal-Alcaraz pairing will do, too.
Can only watch so much, and both the DEFCON-3 level jingoism and long feature stories bore us.
In all, maybe we'll watch 10-12 hours. We'll enjoy the competitions we like, and then we'll be happy the hype is over.
You got something against soft, generic piano music, buddy?
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on June 19, 2024, 11:00:09 AM
Love the volleyball. Nadal and Alcarez are playing doubles together for Spain in tennis
Good call on that doubles squad.
Cheetahs in tbe wild, casually run 4.7 secs in the 100m. I would imagine they'd do fine in the 200m, 400m, and 800m. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 20, 2024, 07:27:01 PM
Cheetahs in tbe wild, casually run 4.7 secs in the 100m. I would imagine they'd do fine in the 200m, 400m, and 800m. :)
I would assume they would DQ because of false starts
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 20, 2024, 07:34:52 PM
I would assume they would DQ because of false starts
Which wouldn't matter if they started 50 yards away from the starting block. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 20, 2024, 07:27:01 PM
Cheetahs in tbe wild, casually run 4.7 secs in the 100m. I would imagine they'd do fine in the 200m, 400m, and 800m. :)
Cheetahs are too stupid to be in races
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 20, 2024, 07:38:30 PM
Cheetahs are too stupid to be in races
Or too fast. 0-60 in less than 3 secs. That's a 🎤 drop when it comes to land speed. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 20, 2024, 07:45:09 PM
Or too fast. 0-60 in less than 3 secs. That's a 🎤 drop when it comes to land speed. :)
Not without opposable thumbs.
Wouldn't stay on the track outside of the 100. They'd finish last.
They denied the dude who id's as a girl so it's all a sham
Quote from: wadesworld on June 20, 2024, 08:43:34 PM
Wouldn't stay on the track outside of the 100. They'd finish last.
We know what would happen if a 🐎 was on the track. And 🐆 🐆 would figure it out. Humans cannot compete with the animal kingdom's best athletes when it comes to speed, vert, and strength. It's a complete mismatch. My dog would win multiple gold medals without any effort whatsoever. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 20, 2024, 10:35:29 PM
We know what would happen if a 🐎 was on the track. And 🐆 🐆 would figure it out. Humans cannot compete with the animal kingdom's best athletes when it comes to speed, vert, and strength. It's a complete mismatch. My dog would win multiple gold medals without any effort whatsoever. :)
No he wouldn't, he's too dumb. Intelligence is part of being an athlete. That's why we're on top of the food chain.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 20, 2024, 10:35:29 PM
We know what would happen if a 🐎 was on the track. And 🐆 🐆 would figure it out. Humans cannot compete with the animal kingdom's best athletes when it comes to speed, vert, and strength. It's a complete mismatch. My dog would win multiple gold medals without any effort whatsoever. :)
Coaches aren't allowed on the track, so the dog would be clueless on where to line up
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 20, 2024, 07:27:01 PM
Cheetahs in tbe wild, casually run 4.7 secs in the 100m. I would imagine they'd do fine in the 200m, 400m, and 800m. :)
In all honesty i doubt they can maintain top speed for the longer lengths.
Quote from: jficke13 on June 21, 2024, 08:00:38 AM
In all honesty i doubt they can maintain top speed for the longer lengths.
They can run for 30 seconds, but they have to be chasing something. Otherwise, they are sleeping
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 20, 2024, 10:35:29 PM
We know what would happen if a 🐎 was on the track. And 🐆 🐆 would figure it out. Humans cannot compete with the animal kingdom's best athletes when it comes to speed, vert, and strength. It's a complete mismatch. My dog would win multiple gold medals without any effort whatsoever. :)
This is still the most bizarre and consistent non-sequitur schtick on this board.
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 21, 2024, 08:14:23 AM
They can run for 30 seconds, but they have to be chasing something. Otherwise, they are sleeping
I assume you realize that they can also run 45 mph for like 30 mins? And zooming 75 mph for 30 secs doesn't exactly suck? Sarah the Cheetah, from the Cincy Zoo, casually ran 5.4 secs in 100m. The fact is they can run 0-60 in 3 secs in the wild. End of discussion. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 23, 2024, 08:50:37 PM
I assume you realize that they can also run 45 mph for like 30 mins? And zooming 75 mph for 30 secs doesn't exactly suck? Sarah the Cheetah, from the Cincy Zoo, casually ran 5.4 secs in 100m. The fact is they can run 0-60 in 3 secs in the wild. End of discussion. :)
They wouldn't be able to stay on course on a track. They're not smart enough. They'd finish last and be DQ'd.
She is without about the GOAT. Her performances are even more incredible in person.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 23, 2024, 09:08:30 PM
Chick Jr. and I are attending the US Olympic trials for gymnastics next weekend.
We saw Simone Biles at a meet in suburban Chicago a few months ago. She is without about the GOAT. Her performances are even more incredible in person.
Nice! She's definitely the 🐐.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 23, 2024, 08:32:11 PM
This is still the most bizarre and consistent non-sequitur schtick on this board.
And I hope that when the Olympics actually comes around that it disappears
Do they still have horse dancing in the olympics? Still haven't figured out why horses are in the olympics.
Does anyone know if the #ishitintheseine protest actually happened?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on June 25, 2024, 09:15:02 AM
Do they still have horse dancing in the olympics? Still haven't figured out why horses are in the olympics.
Dressage!
The only reason I know this is a co-worker of mine is going to Paris with her husband and four adult children on their "dream Olympic trip." She was a horse rider as a child, so this is the event she wanted to attend the most.
They are also going to a day or two of track and field as well as some of the tennis matches.
Who wants to watch the Olympics when we can watch NASCAR?
NASCAR exponentially better than the Olympics!
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 26, 2024, 05:48:26 PM
Who wants to watch the Olympics when we can watch NASCAR?
NASCAR exponentially better than the Olympics!
lol.
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 26, 2024, 05:48:26 PM
Who wants to watch the Olympics when we can watch NASCAR?
NASCAR exponentially better than the Olympics!
People still watch Neckcar?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 26, 2024, 06:32:13 PM
People still watch Neckcar?
Give him a break. He lives in Florida now.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 26, 2024, 06:57:36 PM
Give him a break. He lives in Florida now.
I'm boycotting because it went woke
Maybe the Olympics should make NASCAR an Olympic sport!
A good test sport for LA2028.
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 26, 2024, 08:21:59 PM
Maybe the Olympics should make NASCAR an Olympic sport!
A good test sport for LA2028.
F1 would be better than Neckcar
Zach Lowe has team USA's chances of winning men's basketball at the Olympics at 51%. Lol. It's like 95%. Their biggest challengers are teams like Canada whose 3rd best player is...Lou Dort? Dillon Brooks? RJ Barrett? Or France whose third best player is...Fournier, Batum, Coulibaly, Yabusele, and Ntilikina are the only other NBA players. Or Serbia whose 3rd best player is Poku?
Team USA's worst players are Tyrese Haliburton, Bam, and Derrick White. Like come on. The only way Team USA doesn't win is if everyone gets Covid and has symptoms.
I would feel better if Bronny was on the team.
Quote from: tower912 on July 11, 2024, 03:26:23 PM
I would feel better if Bronny was on the team.
He earned it
Quote from: wadesworld on July 11, 2024, 03:25:22 PM
Zach Lowe has team USA's chances of winning men's basketball at the Olympics at 51%. Lol. It's like 95%. Their biggest challengers are teams like Canada whose 3rd best player is...Lou Dort? Dillon Brooks? RJ Barrett? Or France whose third best player is...Fournier, Batum, Coulibaly, Yabusele, and Ntilikina are the only other NBA players. Or Serbia whose 3rd best player is Poku?
Team USA's worst players are Tyrese Haliburton, Bam, and Derrick White. Like come on. The only way Team USA doesn't win is if everyone gets Covid and has symptoms.
51%????? Oh......okay. What an assclown.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 11, 2024, 03:25:22 PM
Zach Lowe has team USA's chances of winning men's basketball at the Olympics at 51%. Lol. It's like 95%. Their biggest challengers are teams like Canada whose 3rd best player is...Lou Dort? Dillon Brooks? RJ Barrett? Or France whose third best player is...Fournier, Batum, Coulibaly, Yabusele, and Ntilikina are the only other NBA players. Or Serbia whose 3rd best player is Poku?
Team USA's worst players are Tyrese Haliburton, Bam, and Derrick White. Like come on. The only way Team USA doesn't win is if everyone gets Covid and has symptoms.
The U.S. has lost to far worse teams than some of the squads they'll face in Paris. I mean, they lost to Puerto Rico AND Lithuania AND Argentina in 2004. No COVID necessary, either.
And they lost to a less-talented French squad than the current group in 2020.
Vegas puts the U.S. at -400, which is 80% probability.
Seems about right.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 11, 2024, 05:17:40 PM
The U.S. has lost to far worse teams than some of the squads they'll face in Paris. I mean, they lost to Puerto Rico AND Lithuania AND Argentina in 2004. No COVID necessary, either.
And they lost to a less-talented French squad than the current group in 2020.
Vegas puts the U.S. at -400, which is 80% probability.
Seems about right.
They should win every game by 20+ and that's a conservative number.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2024, 05:29:24 PM
They should win every game by 20+ and that's a conservative number.
Oh God. Muggs is going to get all freaked out about another thing.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2024, 05:29:24 PM
They should win every game by 20+ and that's a conservative number.
They've played 14 games in the last two Olympics. They've won by 20+ six times.
But by all means, go lay -20.5 on every game. Let us know how you do.
I have the Americans winning at 69%
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 11, 2024, 05:33:40 PM
Oh God. Muggs is going to get all freaked out about another thing.
Fluffy,
Tatum and Anthony Davis are coming off the bench. Look at their fking roster. They should throttle every team and it's not remotely debatable. And I'm not freaked out at all. The clown who said 51% is either a liar or an imbecile.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2024, 05:39:07 PM
Fluffy,
Tatum and Anthony Davis are coming off the bench. Look at their fking roster. They should throttle every team and it's not remotely debatable. And I'm not freaked out at all. The clown who said 51% is either a liar or an imbecile.
St. Thomas could beat them
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 11, 2024, 05:50:56 PM
The man or the school?
I prefer the mystery of it all, but in time, anyone can be a saint
Quote from: Pakuni on July 11, 2024, 05:36:57 PM
They've played 14 games in the last two Olympics. They've won by 20+ six times.
But by all means, go lay -20.5 on every game. Let us know how you do.
I don't have the right temperament for gambling and believe it's a terrible addiction that we're making far worse collectively.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2024, 06:32:19 PM
I don't have the right temperament for gambling and believe it's a terrible addiction that we're making far worse collectively.
It's a sin. Any scooper gambling better be going to confession.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 11, 2024, 06:35:44 PM
It's a sin. Any scooper gambling better be going to confession.
We're doing a terrible job of creating degenerate gamblers. Notwithstanding some of the experts here.
Only beat Canada by 14. Push the panic button.
Quote from: tower912 on July 11, 2024, 07:55:11 PM
Only beat Canada by 14. Push the panic button.
Kerr has lost the locker room. There's still time to pull the plug and switch to Thibs for some hustle culture
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on July 11, 2024, 07:57:14 PM
Kerr has lost the locker room. There's still time to pull the plug and switch to Thibs for some hustle culture
Give the job to Scott Drew. He's proven to win at all costs
I will admit there are bigger issues than Team USA. Regardless, we should eviscerate every opponent. :)
Surprised by the lack of a Karim Mane sighting.
Quote from: tower912 on July 11, 2024, 08:29:57 PM
Surprised by the lack of a Karim Mane sighting.
G League Champion Karim Mane
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 11, 2024, 08:04:52 PM
Give the job to Scott Drew. He's proven to win at all costs
Feels like they need someone who just gets it done. Call in Gard.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2024, 05:29:24 PM
They should win every game by 20+ and that's a conservative number.
What's it matter anyways? A team of animals would destroy them. I mean try scoring over a starting line up of an Eagle (PG), Cheetah (SG), Rhino (SF), Elephant (PF), Giraffe (C).
No one is scoring on the Cheetah, Rhino, Elephant and Giraffe. The Rhino, Elephant and Giraffe are just going to fill the entire area inside the arc. The Giraffe will block anything in sight, and the cheetah will chase down any shooters on the perimeter.
On offense, the Eagle can go the length of the floor without even taking a dribble. And score from 10-15 ft above the rim. Not to mention the Eagle's unprecedented ability as a PG to block shots from anywhere.
No one would stand a chance.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 11, 2024, 08:04:52 PM
Give the job to Scott Drew. He's proven to win at all costs
You'd have to drag him away from Pigalle first
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2024, 05:29:24 PM
They should win every game by 20+ and that's a conservative number.
"
Should" is the key word here. I
think they
will [win every game], but they absolutely
should.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on July 12, 2024, 08:28:43 AM
"Should" is the key word here. I think they will, but they absolutely should.
This is a bit of the ol' American arrogance here. Nothing in the results of the last handful of major international tournaments, including the last two Olympics, suggests the U.S. absolutely should win every game by 20+. We didn't even medal in the last World Championships, after all.
The false assumption here is that if the U.S. doesn't win by 20+, it's because they underachieved. The reality is that other teams not only understand and execute the international game better, but they've substantially closed the talent gap. If the tourney results don't convince you, maybe the last couple of drafts and all-star teams should. This year's all-NBA team included exactly one American-born player.
The U.S. deservedly is the overwhelming favorite to win the tournament, but it should surprise no one if there are some close contests or even a loss along the way.
In 4 years, all of those French kids drafted in the first round recently are going to be the favorites.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 12, 2024, 10:13:44 AM
This is a bit of the ol' American arrogance here. Nothing in the results of the last handful of major international tournaments, including the last two Olympics, suggests the U.S. absolutely should win every game by 20+. We didn't even medal in the last World Championships, after all.
The false assumption here is that if the U.S. doesn't win by 20+, it's because they underachieved. The reality is that other teams not only understand and execute the international game better, but they've substantially closed the talent gap. If the tourney results don't convince you, maybe the last couple of drafts and all-star teams should. This year's all-NBA team included exactly one American-born player.
The U.S. deservedly is the overwhelming favorite to win the tournament, but it should surprise no one if there are some close contests or even a loss along the way.
That's absolutely fair and I will modify my post to reflect that I was actually thinking when I posted -- that they
should win every game. When I responded I had honestly forgotten that Mugg's post included "by 20+". My bad. I agree with you completely and don't believe that they should win every game by 20+.
But I do think they should win every game. While it's true that only one US-born player was on the all-NBA team, no other country had more than one. Team USA is obviously much deeper than the other teams.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 12, 2024, 10:13:44 AM
This is a bit of the ol' American arrogance here. Nothing in the results of the last handful of major international tournaments, including the last two Olympics, suggests the U.S. absolutely should win every game by 20+. We didn't even medal in the last World Championships, after all.
The false assumption here is that if the U.S. doesn't win by 20+, it's because they underachieved. The reality is that other teams not only understand and execute the international game better, but they've substantially closed the talent gap. If the tourney results don't convince you, maybe the last couple of drafts and all-star teams should. This year's all-NBA team included exactly one American-born player.
The U.S. deservedly is the overwhelming favorite to win the tournament, but it should surprise no one if there are some close contests or even a loss along the way.
How about 2024 all 2nd team? All 3rd team? And then add in Embiid. We didn't send our best to the FIBA World Championship.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 11:22:13 AM
How about 2024 all 2nd team? All 3rd team? And then add in Embiid. We didn't send our best to the FIBA World Championship.
So, what exactly are you taking issue with?
That the U.S. shouldn't expect to win every game by 20+?
That the rest of the world understands the international game better?
That the talent gap is narrowing?
Or are you picking nits?
Quote from: Pakuni on July 12, 2024, 01:47:15 PM
So, what exactly are you taking issue with?
That the U.S. shouldn't expect to win every game by 20+?
That the rest of the world understands the international game better?
That the talent gap is narrowing?
Or are you picking nits?
Taking issue with calling it ol' American arrogance. Self hating gets old.
We're finally sending our A team. It's the first time in quite awhile. This, to me, has nothing to do with understanding the international game better. It's about a. talent, and b. playing together. The talent gap might be narrowing at the top handful of players, but I would take out Top 10 over any other country's top 10 by a wide margin. The country closest is France. Every other country we should and will beat comfortably. Whether that be 15 points or 20 points, who cares.
I don't think the 2024 roster is THAT much better than 2020.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 02:26:03 PM
I don't think the 2024 roster is THAT much better than 2020.
you would be wrong
Bam, Booker, Holliday and Taytum are better now than they were then
Durant might be worse
So that leaves Jerami Grant, Draymond Green, Keldon Johnson, Zach LaVine, Damian Lillard, JaVale McGee, Khris Middleton vs Stephen Curry, Anthony Davis Anthony Edwards Joel Embiid Tyrese Haliburton LeBron James Derrick White. That's a big margin
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 02:17:05 PM
Taking issue with calling it ol' American arrogance. Self hating gets old.
We're finally sending our A team. It's the first time in quite awhile. This, to me, has nothing to do with understanding the international game better. It's about a. talent, and b. playing together. The talent gap might be narrowing at the top handful of players, but I would take out Top 10 over any other country's top 10 by a wide margin. The country closest is France. Every other country we should and will beat comfortably. Whether that be 15 points or 20 points, who cares.
Point well taken lawdog. Again Pakuni, try to deal with reality and basic facts. This isn't string theory mathematics.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 02:26:03 PM
I don't think the 2024 roster is THAT much better than 2020.
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Uh.....wrong.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 02:17:05 PM
Taking issue with calling it ol' American arrogance. Self hating gets old.
We're finally sending our A team. It's the first time in quite awhile. This, to me, has nothing to do with understanding the international game better. It's about a. talent, and b. playing together. The talent gap might be narrowing at the top handful of players, but I would take out Top 10 over any other country's top 10 by a wide margin. The country closest is France. Every other country we should and will beat comfortably. Whether that be 15 points or 20 points, who cares.
Pointing out that the talent gap is narrowing and that the U.S. shouldn't expect to win every game by 20-plus - something that hasn't happened since 1996 - is "self-hate?"
OK, Lee Greenwood.
Wait until you see all the hate that comes out of Vegas when the lines get set. (U.S. is currently favored by 12.5 in their opener)
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 02:36:42 PM
you would be wrong
Bam, Booker, Holliday and Taytum are better now than they were then
Durant might be worse
So that leaves Jerami Grant, Draymond Green, Keldon Johnson, Zach LaVine, Damian Lillard, JaVale McGee, Khris Middleton vs Stephen Curry, Anthony Davis Anthony Edwards Joel Embiid Tyrese Haliburton LeBron James Derrick White. That's a big margin
Not really.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 02:36:42 PM
you would be wrong
Bam, Booker, Holliday and Taytum are better now than they were then
Durant might be worse
So that leaves Jerami Grant, Draymond Green, Keldon Johnson, Zach LaVine, Damian Lillard, JaVale McGee, Khris Middleton vs Stephen Curry, Anthony Davis Anthony Edwards Joel Embiid Tyrese Haliburton LeBron James Derrick White. That's a big margin
Agree with this. Up and down the lineup, this year's team is better. On paper, anyway.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 12, 2024, 03:28:45 PM
Pointing out that the talent gap is narrowing and that the U.S. shouldn't expect to win every game by 20-plus - something that hasn't happened since 1996 - is "self-hate?"
OK, Lee Greenwood.
Wait until you see all the hate that comes out of Vegas when the lines get set. (U.S. is currently favored by 12.5 in their opener)
The self hate is being snarky calling it ol American arrogance.
Quote from: MU82 on July 12, 2024, 03:44:58 PM
Agree with this. Up and down the lineup, this year's team is better. On paper, anyway.
Nope. He's wrong. Again.
The marginal difference isn't enough to all of the sudden say "hey they should be winning by 20+." Silly talk.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 04:14:11 PM
Nope. He's wrong. Again.
The marginal difference isn't enough to all of the sudden say "hey they should be winning by 20+." Silly talk.
There's a huge gap between the 2020 and 2024 teams. In a draft of the 2020 vs 2024 players not on the other roster, when would you pick the 1st 2020 player? I would take LBJ, Edwards, Curry, Embid, and probably AD before anyone on the 2020 team.C'mon Jermai Grant, Draymond, Javale McGee, and Keldon Johnson in 2020?
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 04:25:58 PM
There's a huge gap between the 2020 and 2024 teams. In a draft of the 2020 vs 2024 players not on the other roster, when would you pick the 1st 2020 player? I would take LBJ, Edwards, Curry, Embid, and probably AD before anyone on the 2020 team.C'mon Jermai Grant, Draymond, Javale McGee, and Keldon Johnson in 2020?
End of bench players. No difference.
Wrong again.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 04:42:46 PM
End of bench players. No difference.
Wrong again.
Skipping.over the other point?
the 2020 team only had 2 players from the 3 All NBA teams. How many are on this one? The 2020 big men were Bam and who? That team had no facilitator. That team had no LBJ.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 05:01:56 PM
Skipping.over the other point?
the 2020 team only had 2 players from the 3 All NBA teams. How many are on this one? The 2020 big men were Bam and who? That team had no facilitator. That team had no LBJ.
Your points are irrelevant
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 05:28:44 PM
Your points are irrelevant
Uh , no. The point is that there is a big gap between this team and 2020. Most of the top players sat out 2020.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 04:14:11 PM
Nope. He's wrong. Again.
The marginal difference isn't enough to all of the sudden say "hey they should be winning by 20+." Silly talk.
I never said a word about victory margin. It's simply a better team than the previous one.
Quote from: MU82 on July 12, 2024, 06:22:33 PM
I never said a word about victory margin. It's simply a better team than the previous one.
Ah. Shifting goalposts. I figured you'd find a way to wriggle out of a bad point.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 05:33:18 PM
Uh , no. The point is that there is a big gap between this team and 2020. Most of the top players sat out 2020.
How many times are going to be wrong in a day? You've already had a bad week.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 07:02:19 PM
How many times are going to be wrong in a day? You've already had a bad week.
Not sure, but I am not wrong here. The 2024 team is much better than the 2020 team. Except for Durant, the next 6 (at least) best players are on the 2024 team. LBJ,Curry, Edwards, AD, Embiid,2024 Tatum.
Not sure why you would thinks the talent is only "marginally" better, other than just to argue.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 07:08:02 PM
Not sure, but I am not wrong here. The 2024 team is much better than the 2020 team. Except for Durant, the next 6 (at least) best players are on the 2024 team. LBJ,Curry, Edwards, AD, Embiid,2024 Tatum.
Not sure why you would thinks the talent is only "marginally" better, other than just to argue.
You are dishonestly shifting goalposts. Go back and review your work.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 07:09:35 PM
You are dishonestly shifting goalposts. Go back and review your work.
No shifting goalpoasts:
In summary: Muggsy said should win by 20+
Pakuni said recent history says otherwise
I chime in that we were sending our JV team the past couple times
You stated 2024 is not THAT much better
I show you where the talent discrepany is: 2020 only had 2 players make All NBA, 2024 has the Top 6 players after Durant.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 07:31:44 PM
I chime in that we were sending our JV team the past couple times
LOL, so you've now decided to use hyperbole to back up your dishonesty?
You should just limp away while you have some dignity to salvage.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 07:01:36 PM
Ah. Shifting goalposts. I figured you'd find a way to wriggle out of a bad point.
Shifting goalposts? About what? I never said a word about the U.S. men's Olympic basketball team winning by or being favored by X amount of points. I never mentioned it.
I agreed with lawdog about the 2024 team simply having better personnel than the 2020 team did, and that's it.
I don't give a rat's rump that you disagree with me, but you don't have to lie about shifting goalposts. It's such a lazy (and in this case incorrect) thing to say.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 07:44:13 PM
LOL, so you've now decided to use hyperbole to back up your dishonesty?
You should just limp away while you have some dignity to salvage.
Wow. Thought you were above insulting people.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 07:53:53 PM
Wow. Thought you were above insulting people.
Only those who are dishonest about what they said. And now you have what...tripled down?
Quote from: MU82 on July 12, 2024, 07:52:39 PM
I don't give a rat's rump that you disagree with me, but you don't have to lie about shifting goalposts. It's such a lazy (and in this case incorrect) thing to say.
LOL, nope. You can't even follow your own arguments I guess.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 07:55:19 PM
Only those who are dishonest about what they said. And now you have what...tripled down?
This is clearly going nowhere.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 07:57:29 PM
This is clearly going nowhere.
You finally flew the white flag that should have come out hours ago.
Congrats?
Seriously, what are you arguing?
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 08:14:27 PM
Seriously, what are you arguing?
Man. I thought you were done.
And now you can't even figure out what we're talking about?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 08:15:50 PM
Man. I thought you were done.
And now you can't even figure out what we're talking about?
I would say its the opposite. You seem to rather just call people liars and goalpost shifters instead of actually having a point. The only thing you have said of substance is that the 2024 is only marginally better. That is not a very good position. The evidence is to the contrary (number of All NBA players, a more balanced team, etc)
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 08:22:22 PM
I would say its the opposite. You seem to rather just call people liars and goalpost shifters instead of actually having a point. The only thing you have said of substance is that the 2024 is only marginally better. That is not a very good position. The evidence is to the contrary (number of All NBA players, a more balanced team, etc)
Well not only are you wrong, you're dishonest about what you've been arguing.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 08:24:35 PM
Well not only are you wrong, you're dishonest about what you've been arguing.
No. That is exactly what I am arguing. The 2024 team is much better, and except maybe France, they should beat every other team 15+
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 08:24:35 PM
Well not only are you wrong, you're dishonest about what you've been arguing.
How am I wrong?
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 08:30:01 PM
How am I wrong?
They are only marginally better. Better, but not enough to make a large enough difference in the outcome.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 08:33:11 PM
They are only marginally better. Better, but not enough to make a large enough difference in the outcome.
you have offered no data to support that
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 08:36:23 PM
you have offered no data to support that
I don't need to.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 08:36:58 PM
I don't need to.
It's a message board,you don't "need" to do anything. Calling people dishonest for no reason is quite beneath you.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 03:47:41 PM
The self hate is being snarky calling it ol American arrogance.
Insisting that Team USA should win every game by 20+ while being ignorant to both history and the massive strides other countries have made over the past 20 years is American arrogance.
No snark required.
When Muggsy is your spirit animal, it might be time to reevaluate your arguments.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 08:48:48 PM
It's a message board,you don't "need" to do anything. Calling people dishonest for no reason is quite beneath you.
You would never do such a thing.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 12, 2024, 08:53:37 PM
Insisting that Team USA should win every game by 20+ while being ignorant to both history and the massive strides other countries have made over the past 20 years is American arrogance.
No snark required.
When Muggsy is your spirit animal, it might be time to reevaluate your arguments.
My.goodness you really like to insult people
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 08:56:48 PM
My.goodness you really like to insult people
Is this the same lawdog that calls people antisemites or did someone hack your account?
Anyhow, if you're insulted by someone pointing out that you and Muggsy think alike, that's a lawdog problem.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 08:48:48 PM
Calling people dishonest for no reason is quite beneath you.
Wut? It's one of his go to moves.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 08:48:48 PM
It's a message board,you don't "need" to do anything. Calling people dishonest for no reason is quite beneath you.
I had a reason.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 12, 2024, 08:53:37 PM
Insisting that Team USA should win every game by 20+ while being ignorant to both history and the massive strides other countries have made over the past 20 years is American arrogance.
No snark required.
When Muggsy is your spirit animal, it might be time to reevaluate your arguments.
It might be time for you to reevaluate your fking nonsense, vacate la-la-land, and deal with immutable truths. And stop insulting and attacking our country, lawdog, and others while you're at it.
f our basketball loses it's 100% on our team and coaching staff. LOOK AT THE ROSTER:
James
Curry
Embiid
Durant
Holiday
Tatum
Davis
Ant
Booker
Haliburton
BAM
White
Are you fking serious?? This team is LOADED and should eviscerate their opponents. It's not arrogance it's 100% reality.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2024, 07:28:46 AM
It might be time for you to reevaluate your fking nonsense, vacate la-la-land, and deal with immutable truths. And stop insulting and attacking our country, lawdog, and others while you're at it.
So according to lawdog and Muggsy, acknowledging that the world is catching up to the USA in basketball means you are "attacking our country."
Muggs, you have made some absurd points in your 3+ years here, but this one might be a top 10. Didn't think that was possible because you've set a REALLY high bar...yet here we are.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 07:43:35 AM
So according to lawdog and Muggsy, acknowledging that the world is catching up to the USA in basketball means you are "attacking our country."
Muggs, you have made some absurd points in your 3+ years here, but this one might be a top 10. Didn't think that was possible because you've set a REALLY high bar...yet here we are.
Nope. Calling it ol American arrogance is. Its not arrogance. It's actually looking at the roster versus other countries. This team should beat the others easily if they play their A game. If they dont, I would consider it underperforming.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 07:43:35 AM
So according to lawdog and Muggsy, acknowledging that the world is catching up to the USA in basketball means you are "attacking our country."
Muggs, you have made some absurd points in your 3+ years here, but this one might be a top 10. Didn't think that was possible because you've set a REALLY high bar...yet here we are.
Muggsy also seems to believe that noting how he and lawdog are thinking alike is an insult to lawdog.
I'm pretty sure that's the meanest thing ever written here about Muggsy.
The 2004 team featured Wade, LeBron, Iverson, Carmelo, Duncan, Stoudemire all in the early days/primes of their careers. They lost three times and finished with bronze.
The 2012 team featured Kobe and prime versions of Durant, LeBron, Westbrook, Love, Harden, Paul, Carmelo plus a young Anthony Davis. They were pushed hard by Lithuania (won by 5) and Spain (won by 7).
And yet apparently thinking that a team stocked with players in their 30s might not win every game by 20+ is hating the United States of America.
OK.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 13, 2024, 08:00:39 AM
Nope.
This you?
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 02:17:05 PM
Taking issue with calling it ol' American arrogance. Self hating gets old.
So either....
1. You are lying again
2. You forgot what you posted, or
3. You don't understand the English language.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 07:43:35 AM
So according to lawdog and Muggsy, acknowledging that the world is catching up to the USA in basketball means you are "attacking our country."
Muggs, you have made some absurd points in your 3+ years here, but this one might be a top 10. Didn't think that was possible because you've set a REALLY high bar...yet here we are.
Countries have gotten much better, and have "caught up," so to speak, but in this case you have to look at the rosters. The overall talent level is not close Fluffy. And countries or people getting significantly better at something doesn't mean they should be competitive vs a superior opponent. Usain Bolt isn't beating a cheetah as an example. Ever. And with a 39 meter head start in a 100 meter race. :)
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 08:07:33 AM
Muggsy also seems to believe that noting how he and lawdog are thinking alike is an insult to lawdog.
I'm pretty sure that's the meanest thing ever written here about Muggsy.
The 2004 team featured Wade, LeBron, Iverson, Carmelo, Duncan, Stoudemire all in the early days/primes of their careers. They lost three times and finished with bronze.
The 2012 team featured Kobe and prime versions of Durant, LeBron, Westbrook, Love, Harden, Paul, Carmelo plus a young Anthony Davis. They were pushed hard by Lithuania (won by 5) and Spain (won by 7).
And yet apparently thinking that a team stocked with players in their 30s might not win every game by 20+ is hating the United States of America.
OK.
Wrong. Fluffy attacked lawdog personally for no reason.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2024, 08:09:16 AM
Countries have gotten much better, and have "caught up," so to speak, but in this case you have to look at the rosters.
And if you believe otherwise you are "attacking America" right? Because actually debating on the merits is too difficult so may as well throw some good ole patriotism in there instead.
It's just so very weak.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 08:11:29 AM
And if you believe otherwise you are "attacking America" right? Because actually debating on the merits is too difficult so may as well throw some good ole patriotism in there instead.
It's just so very weak.
No. It was the comment about American arrogance. That's a "weak" attack on our country.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2024, 08:14:18 AM
No. It was the comment about American arrogance. That's a "weak" attack on our country.
Oh no it isn't. It's a attack on your and lawdog's braindead takes.
Team USA hasn't won every game by 20+ points since 1996. And they have had plenty of loaded teams since then. They shouldn't be expected to do it this year either.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 08:11:29 AM
And if you believe otherwise you are "attacking America" right? Because actually debating on the merits is too difficult so may as well throw some good ole patriotism in there instead.
It's just so very weak.
I"ll try it again. Calling it ol American arrogance. This discussion is about roster construction versus the other countries, not some jingoistic notion. If this roster was German, the idea of them winning easily would be the same.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 13, 2024, 08:18:30 AM
I"ll try it again. Calling it ol American arrogance.
Well it's either American arrogance, or your ignorance. You can pick which one.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 08:07:33 AM
Muggsy also seems to believe that noting how he and lawdog are thinking alike is an insult to lawdog.
I'm pretty sure that's the meanest thing ever written here about Muggsy.
The 2004 team featured Wade, LeBron, Iverson, Carmelo, Duncan, Stoudemire all in the early days/primes of their careers. They lost three times and finished with bronze.
The 2012 team featured Kobe and prime versions of Durant, LeBron, Westbrook, Love, Harden, Paul, Carmelo plus a young Anthony Davis. They were pushed hard by Lithuania (won by 5) and Spain (won by 7).
And yet apparently thinking that a team stocked with players in their 30s might not win every game by 20+ is hating the United States of America.
OK.
The 2004 team only had 1 All NBA player, and 2 All Stars. Wase LBJ and Carmelo were nowhere near their prime
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 08:22:17 AM
Well it's either American arrogance, or your ignorance. You can pick which one.
I'm well aware that you hate pur country Fluffy. Although you have no interest in finding a new one of course.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2024, 08:28:26 AM
I'm well aware that you hate pur country Fluffy. Although you have no interest in finding a new one of course.
And there you go. This is why you really shouldn't be taken seriously here because you usually just fall back on hyperbolic nonsense.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 13, 2024, 08:25:18 AM
The 2004 team only had 1 All NBA player, and 2 All Stars. Wase LBJ and Carmelo were nowhere near their prime
Maybe that's why I wrote "early days." Why'd you leave that out?
This year's team only has one All NBA player, which you don't seem to find an issue with. Why?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 08:30:54 AM
And there you go. This is why you really shouldn't be taken seriously here because you usually just fall back on hyperbolic nonsense.
It gets to you obviously because you know it's true.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 08:31:19 AM
Maybe that's why I wrote "early days." Why'd you leave that out?
This year's team only has one All NBA player, which you don't seem to find an issue with. Why?
Actually there are 9, now 8 who made the All NBA teams. And add Embiid qho did not make it.
you.put early days/primes. Why did tou put them together?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2024, 08:34:58 AM
It gets to you obviously because you know it's true.
You have never gotten to me because you are not someone I take seriously.
Is JayBee on the pickleball team?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 07:55:47 PM
LOL, nope. You can't even follow your own arguments I guess.
Look officer, either show where I said this U.S. team would or should win by 20+ points per game or stop being lazy and dishonest about it.
Hell, I'll donate $1,000 to your favorite charity if you can show it. And you can donate $1,000 to my favorite charity if you can't, OK?
Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2024, 09:48:22 AM
Look officer, either show where I said this U.S. team would or should win by 20+ points per game or stop being lazy and dishonest about it.
Hell, I'll donate $1,000 to your favorite charity if you can show it. And you can donate $1,000 to my favorite charity if you can't, OK?
Hell no. You can just own your error. Or don't. No biggie for me.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 09:50:48 AM
Hell no. You can just own your error. Or don't. No biggie for me.
Ah, so rather than put your money where your mouth is, you'd rather just keep lying about it.
I wouldn't have expected this from you, but oh well.
Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2024, 09:52:13 AM
Ah, so rather than put your money where your mouth is, you'd rather just keep lying about it.
I wouldn't have expected this from you, but oh well.
😂😂😂
"You need to do this thing that I want to cover my own dishonestly." Such simplistic, sportswriter-brained nonsense.
Which is EXACTLY what I expect from you.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 10:04:14 AM
😂😂😂
"You need to do this thing that I want to cover my own dishonestly." Such simplistic, sportswriter-brained nonsense.
Which is EXACTLY what I expect from you.
😂😂😂
You are wrong, you know you're wrong, but you just keep dying on your lazy, dishonest hill.
Which is EXACTLY what all of Scoop expects of you.
Again, prove your accusation or stop lying.
Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2024, 10:08:30 AM
😂😂😂
You are wrong, you know you're wrong, but you just keep dying on your lazy, dishonest hill.
Which is EXACTLY what all of Scoop expects of you.
Again, prove your accusation or stop lying.
I don't have to prove anything. It's right in your posts. And I let the issue go. You're the one who decided to resurrect it. Not me.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 10:16:41 AM
I don't have to prove anything. It's right in your posts. And I let the issue go. You're the one who decided to resurrect it. Not me.
But it's not in my posts, is it? Tell you what - I'll up the offer to $10K if you can prove that anything I posted said the 2024 US Olympic men's basketball team would or should beat opponents by 20+ points. And you only have to give $100 to my favorite charity if you can't prove it.
Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2024, 10:22:39 AM
But it's not in my posts, is it? Tell you what - I'll up the offer to $10K if you can prove that anything I posted said the 2024 US Olympic men's basketball team would or should beat opponents by 20+ points. And you only have to give $100 to my favorite charity if you can't prove it.
I don't care enough to prove what is painfully obvious.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 10:43:45 AM
I don't care enough to prove what is painfully obvious.
There's no surer sign of someone being right than him or her refusing to accept a $10K gift for his or her favorite charity merely by showing evidence. 😂😂😂
Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2024, 11:20:10 AM
There's no surer sign of someone being right than him or her refusing to accept a $10K gift for his or her favorite charity merely by showing evidence. 😂😂😂
I truly don't care. We all know you wouldn't pay up anyway.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 11:24:50 AM
I truly don't care. We all know you wouldn't pay up anyway.
I have made this pledge in front of all of our fellow Scoopers, and I absolutely would pay. So it's yet another baseless accusation.
And it's obviously that you truly don't care based on your dozen-plus responses. 😂😂😂
Take the $10K or take the L.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 13, 2024, 08:35:39 AM
Actually there are 9, now 8 who made the All NBA teams. And add Embiid qho did not make it.
you.put early days/primes. Why did tou put them together?
I put them together to cover players in their early days (LeBron, Wade, Melo) and players in their primes (Duncan, AI, Stoudemire). This really isn't all that complicated.
Regardless, as much as you wish it to be, I'm not in a debate over the 2004 roster vs the 2024 roster. I'm discussing the absurd (and yes, arrogant) insistence that this year's team should be expected to win every single game by 20+.
But, if I were to have a 2004 vs 2024 debate, I'd point out it's way closer than you seem to think.
Give me 29-year-old Iverson over 36-year-old Steph.
Give me 26-year-old Duncan over 30-year-old creaky-kneed Embiid.
Give me 19-year-old Lebron over 39-year-old LeBron.
Give me DWade over Ant.
I'll give you current Durant and AD an edge over 2004 Melo and Amare, but not by much.
Tatum is better than any comparable on the 2004 team,
The gap overall is way closer than you seem to believe.
Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2024, 11:38:58 AM
I have made this pledge in front of all of our fellow Scoopers, and I absolutely would pay. So it's yet another baseless accusation.
And it's obviously that you truly don't care based on your dozen-plus responses. 😂😂😂
Take the $10K or take the L.
lol. Says the guy who decided to resurrect the topic.
Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2024, 11:20:10 AM
There's no surer sign of someone being right than him or her refusing to accept a $10K gift for his or her favorite charity merely by showing evidence. 😂😂😂
I don't gamble on scoop anymore. Chicos still owes me 200
I won so much I got tired of winning.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 11:48:26 AM
lol. Says the guy who decided to resurrect the topic.
lol. Take the $10K or take the L.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 11:45:53 AM
I put them together to cover players in their early days (LeBron, Wade, Melo) and players in their primes (Duncan, AI, Stoudemire). This really isn't all that complicated.
Regardless, as much as you wish it to be, I'm not in a debate over the 2004 roster vs the 2024 roster. I'm discussing the absurd (and yes, arrogant) insistence that this year's team should be expected to win every single game by 20+.
But, if I were to have a 2004 vs 2024 debate, I'd point out it's way closer than you seem to think.
Give me 29-year-old Iverson over 36-year-old Steph.
Give me 26-year-old Duncan over 30-year-old creaky-kneed Embiid.
Give me 19-year-old Lebron over 39-year-old LeBron.
Give me DWade over Ant.
I'll give you current Durant and AD an edge over 2004 Melo and Amare, but not by much.
Tatum is better than any comparable on the 2004 team,
The gap overall is way closer than you seem to believe.
The 2004 team only had one All NBA team out of the 15 All NBA players. They only had two all stars from the previous year. The best players sat out. The 2024 Team has 8. Like you said, its not all that difficult. If this team doesnt win easily, they have underperformed
Since you brought it up, Iverson shot under 29% for 3, and under 39% total in 2003-4, I would take Steph
26 year old Duncan vs AD is a better Comp-slight edge to Duncan
In a short stretch, I would take the Lebron of now versus rookie Lebron, as he is a better shooter, defender, and overall smarter player.
I would take Ant over rookie Dwade. Wade shot 30% from 3.
If the best players would have played in 2004-Garnett, both Oneals, Carter, Garnett, Kobe, Kidd, McGrady, Ray Allen. I would argue they should have won by 20 as well.
I haven't looked at 2008, but 2004 is not a good example of the world closing in on our talents. The 2003 qualifying tournament, every game was over 16, except 1 (Brazil), then the US played them again in the finals and beat them by 30.
Edit looked at 2008. Won every game by 20+, except the final , where they won by 11.
Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2024, 11:55:19 AM
lol. Take the $10K or take the L.
I'm not interested in betting, but I
am a little short of cash at the moment. Would you be willing to lend me the 10K? I promise I will pay it back just as soon as I can.
Thanks in advance pal.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 13, 2024, 12:30:54 PM
I'm not interested in betting, but I am a little short of cash at the moment. Would you be willing to lend me the 10K? I promise I will pay it back just as soon as I can.
Thanks in advance pal.
You got it! Just send me your mother's maiden name and the last four digits of your SS#.
US Men beat Australia 98-92
Quote from: tower912 on July 15, 2024, 07:40:59 PM
US Men beat Australia 98-92
Not good. What the F happened? Kerr and his staff need to get their H out of their A before the real games start. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2024, 07:45:09 PM
Not good. What the F happened? Kerr and his staff need to get their H out of their A before the real games start. :)
Team USA was up 24 in the 3rd, and let off the gas. Back on track today with a 26 point thumping of the fighting Jokic's
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2024, 07:45:09 PM
Not good. What the F happened? Kerr and his staff need to get their H out of their A before the real games start. :)
Aren't these the equivalent of preseason games? I don't think there's much to worry about as I'm sure Kerr is testing out lineups.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 17, 2024, 01:20:32 PM
Team USA was up 24 in the 3rd, and let off the gas. Back on track today with a 26 point thumping of the fighting Jokic's
I haven't been able to watch but this group is LOADED. I was stunned Australia was within range. I was critical of Kerr's coaching in the Worlds, but will reserve judgement until I watch Team USA. I momentarily thought I would have to edit number three, subset D, of my 5 point plan, but perhaps I should be more patient. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2024, 05:32:45 PM
I haven't been able to watch but this group is LOADED. I was stunned Australia was within range. I was critical of Kerr's coaching in the Worlds, but will reserve judgement until I watch Team USA. I momentarily thought I would have to edit number three, subset D, of my 5 point plan, but perhaps I should be more patient. :)
You've been a sports fan for decades, right? You do understand that what happens in exhibition games has no bearing on anything, right? I mean, the 1985 Bears were 1-3 in the preseason - you'd have been freaking out about the disaster of a season they were about to have!
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2024, 07:45:09 PM
Not good. What the F happened? Kerr and his staff need to get their H out of their A before the real games start. :)
No Ramsey = no bueno
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2024, 05:32:45 PM
I haven't been able to watch but this group is LOADED. I was stunned Australia was within range. I was critical of Kerr's coaching in the Worlds, but will reserve judgement until I watch Team USA. I momentarily thought I would have to edit number three, subset D, of my 5 point plan, but perhaps I should be more patient. :)
Dump some water on your head. Maybe an asbestos cap rather than tin foil.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2024, 05:32:45 PM
I haven't been able to watch but this group is LOADED. I was stunned Australia was within range. I was critical of Kerr's coaching in the Worlds, but will reserve judgement until I watch Team USA. I momentarily thought I would have to edit number three, subset D, of my 5 point plan, but perhaps I should be more patient. :)
How many subsets do each of the 5 points (nods to gangs of New York) have?
Quote from: swoopem on July 18, 2024, 01:32:14 PM
How many subsets do each of the 5 points (nods to gangs of New York) have?
Swoopem,
I appreciate the Gangs of NY nod, as DDL may be the greatest actor of all-time. I have amended my 5 point plan a few times. That was not my intention, but several world events forced my hand. And If you add the utter drivel of a number of Scoopers, subsets were necessary. Let's just say the treatise increased in length about 18 pages, Roman, single spaced. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2024, 05:29:24 PM
They should win every game by 20+ and that's a conservative number.
::)
LeBron will be the USA flag bearer for the opening ceremonies.
https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-lebron-james-flagbearer-c06c923974bb9d336883410a581636db
Just wait ... Bronny will be named the Junior Flagbearer!
Quote from: MU82 on July 22, 2024, 11:04:01 AM
Just wait ... Bronny will be named the Junior Flagbearer!
That fruit is so low you scooped it off the ground.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 22, 2024, 10:44:38 AM
LeBron will be the USA flag bearer for the opening ceremonies.
https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-lebron-james-flagbearer-c06c923974bb9d336883410a581636db
Nm
Quote from: MU82 on July 22, 2024, 11:04:01 AM
Just wait ... Bronny will be named the Junior Flagbearer!
He earned it
Shoulda been b boy victor aina
I came across this list.
Big East Olympians
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=482003917801530&id=100079757772340&mibextid=xfxF2i&rdid=dqfI3lsGYbNcsAiW
I also saw this from the NCAA. Too bad only one Marquette Olympian, but good luck to Katherine Plouffe!
Charlotte Dujardin out at the olympics. Muggsy celebrates.
Slightly OT, but Salt Lake City gets 2034 Winter Olympics.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 24, 2024, 08:28:33 AM
Slightly OT, but Salt Lake City gets 2034 Winter Olympics.
I heard that was rumored as the Olympic committee is trying to reduce costs for hosting by reusing venues and previous hosts.
Jumping ahead 4 years, I read that the LA Olympics 2028 plans to host several events in Oklahoma City (canoeing/kayaking and something else). They have some brand new kayak rapids facility and LA won't have to build anything.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 24, 2024, 10:32:55 AM
Jumping ahead 4 years, I read that the LA Olympics 2028 plans to host several events in Oklahoma City (canoeing/kayaking and something else). They have some brand new kayak rapids facility and LA won't have to build anything.
softball as well
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 24, 2024, 10:32:55 AM
Jumping ahead 4 years, I read that the LA Olympics 2028 plans to host several events in Oklahoma City (canoeing/kayaking and something else). They have some brand new kayak rapids facility and LA won't have to build anything.
I'm all for sustainable infrastructure for the Olympics rather than seeing everything fall to decay but man if I was an international athlete I'd be a little perturbed that you basically get none of the Olympic atmosphere
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 24, 2024, 12:30:14 PM
I'm all for sustainable infrastructure for the Olympics rather than seeing everything fall to decay but man if I was an international athlete I'd be a little perturbed that you basically get none of the Olympic atmosphere
Welcome to the Los Angeles Olympics! You get to go 2,000 miles away to Oklahoma City!
Quote from: Pakuni on July 24, 2024, 08:28:33 AM
Slightly OT, but Salt Lake City gets 2034 Winter Olympics.
And (laughably) inserting into their contract to recognize that WADA has authority over all drug testing and enforcement otherwise they could be moved.
Of course, US Law Enforcement isn't going to care, but that's cute.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 24, 2024, 12:30:14 PM
I'm all for sustainable infrastructure for the Olympics rather than seeing everything fall to decay but man if I was an international athlete I'd be a little perturbed that you basically get none of the Olympic atmosphere
Yep, for context, this is about the same distance as Paris, France to Minsk, Belarus.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 24, 2024, 01:53:02 PM
Yep, for context, this is about the same distance as Paris, France to Minsk, Belarus.
If I recall correctly during Chicago's bid for the Olympics awhile back there was debate whether they'd be able to use facilities in Milwaukee Madison and such. It's comical that the standard is now "wherever the hell has space"
https://youtu.be/VpMgn0S3QOE?si=c2R_Q9LIrL7jND7L
Someone more familiar with the U23 or Olympic soccer scene....Why do these teams seem more connected? It seems like watching club soccer rather than international. In a good way.
Oklahoma City?? Holy cow...
I've been to Lillehammer, SLC and Vancouver for the Olympics, all had venues out of town - in fact if I remember right, there was a separate athlete's village in Whistler, and a separate USA hospitality house. All had buses between the separate venues, but yeah, as an athlete I would hate being way off in Oklahoma City...
Quote from: BM1090 on July 24, 2024, 02:26:48 PM
Someone more familiar with the U23 or Olympic soccer scene....Why do these teams seem more connected? It seems like watching club soccer rather than international. In a good way.
Yep and it's nice and ugly like lower league football. I'm enjoying it.
Looking forward to watching the women play today.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 24, 2024, 01:55:37 PM
If I recall correctly during Chicago's bid for the Olympics awhile back there was debate whether they'd be able to use facilities in Milwaukee Madison and such. It's comical that the standard is now "wherever the hell has space"
I mean, that's reasonable. If LA's bid used sites in San Diego, or even SF, I don't think it would be that insane. Halfway across the country however...
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 25, 2024, 08:28:36 AM
Yep and it's nice and ugly like lower league football. I'm enjoying it.
Looking forward to watching the women play today.
I like how they don't necessarily resemble their full national teams. France was way more fluid and free in their attacking. The Iraq/Ukraine match was back and forth and entertaining, even though both those senior teams love playing 1-0 matches.
Quote from: Warriors4ever on July 24, 2024, 03:02:51 PM
Oklahoma City?? Holy cow...
I've been to Lillehammer, SLC and Vancouver for the Olympics, all had venues out of town - in fact if I remember right, there was a separate athlete's village in Whistler, and a separate USA hospitality house. All had buses between the separate venues, but yeah, as an athlete I would hate being way off in Oklahoma City...
Surfing is in Tahiti this year... so I guess there are venues farther from the host city than OKC is from LA.
Pretty chickenshit of the French to not create some huge barrel waves on the Seine.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 25, 2024, 12:06:40 PM
Pretty chickencrap of the French to not create some huge barrel waves on the Seine.
I see what you did there
I wonder what France has spent just for security during these O-Games? According to the WSJ, cops will be stationed every 6 feet. They've also conducted 1 mill+ background checks and literally have raided homes in the immediate vicinity. Apparently tix to be at the opening ceremony are $3000 a pop, but we're talking an insane amount of coin to protect this event and city for a few weeks.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 25, 2024, 06:12:41 PM
I wonder what France has spent just for security during these O-Games? According to the WSJ, cops will be stationed every 6 feet. They've also conducted 1 mill+ background checks and literally have raided homes in the immediate vicinity. Apparently tix to be at the opening ceremony are $3000 a pop, but we're talking an insane amount of coin to protect this event and city for a few weeks.
Yes, the Olympics have been a financial boondoggle for quite some time.
And apparently they should have spent more.
Are they over yet?
Quote from: tower912 on July 26, 2024, 06:09:23 AM
And apparently they should have spent more.
Not good. There are a lot of evil people in this world.
Who knew our friendly neighbors to the north were unabashed cheaters?
Coaching staff and contractors working with Canada's men's and women's national soccer teams have been engaged for years in efforts to film the closed-door training sessions of their opponents, including during the women's gold-medal winning Olympic tournament in 2021, two sources with first-hand knowledge of the activity told TSN.
https://www.tsn.ca/soccer/canada-s-men-s-and-women-s-soccer-teams-have-relied-on-drones-and-spying-for-years-sources-say-1.2153674
Quote from: Pakuni on July 26, 2024, 07:39:01 AM
Who knew our friendly neighbors to the north were unabashed cheaters?
Coaching staff and contractors working with Canada's men's and women's national soccer teams have been engaged for years in efforts to film the closed-door training sessions of their opponents, including during the women's gold-medal winning Olympic tournament in 2021, two sources with first-hand knowledge of the activity told TSN.
https://www.tsn.ca/soccer/canada-s-men-s-and-women-s-soccer-teams-have-relied-on-drones-and-spying-for-years-sources-say-1.2153674
Got the idea from Belichick
The athletes on boats in the Seine is admittedly cool. Too bad its raining like this.
It's a completely different look for the Olympics opening ceremony.
A zip liner over the river.
A headless Marie Antoinette in the Louvre window with heavy metal playing along to it.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 26, 2024, 01:41:44 PM
The athletes on boats in the Seine is admittedly cool. Too bad its raining like this.
Very cool, except for the high levels of ecoli in the river
The light show at the Eiffel Tower was spectacular.
Dwyane Wade just interviewed, will be calling the games. Asked him what he wants to make sure to do while in Paris, and he said, get some chocolate..
Quote from: Warriors4ever on July 26, 2024, 04:57:03 PM
Dwyane Wade just interviewed, will be calling the games. Asked him what he wants to make sure to do while in Paris, and he said, get some chocolate..
Smart man. Best chocolate in Paris.
https://www.lamaisonduchocolat.com/en_us/our-boutiques-paris (https://www.lamaisonduchocolat.com/en_us/our-boutiques-paris)
Yes, nothing like those chocolate shops in Paris..
Quote from: Warriors4ever on July 26, 2024, 05:10:21 PM
Yes, nothing like those chocolate shops in Paris..
What about Brussels and 🇧🇪? You have to love a country that excels in fries, mussels, beer, and chocolate.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 26, 2024, 06:05:18 PM
What about Brussels and 🇧🇪? You have to love a country that excels in fries, mussels, beer, and chocolate.
You eat mussels?
Mollusks aren't worthy of your respect?
Quote from: warriorchick on July 26, 2024, 06:15:37 PM
You eat mussels?
Mollusks aren't worthy of your respect?
I certainly respect them. But I don't think they feel pain or have strong cognition. And if I reincarnate into a Walrus or Sea Otter I would probably have to attack them relentlessly. :)
Man Rafa Nadal looks about 40 years older than he is
Celine Dion absolutely crushed it
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 26, 2024, 04:11:58 PM
Very cool, except for the high levels of ecoli in the river
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Surprisingly not so much. See the article in the current National Geographic on the Seine. It's been under a massive 15 year clean up, upstream to downstream.
Although the article warned of heavy rain can still mucky things up.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 26, 2024, 09:05:56 PM
Celine Dion absolutely crushed it
ya that was stunning. Very cool
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 26, 2024, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 26, 2024, 04:11:58 PM
Very cool, except for the high levels of ecoli in the river
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Surprisingly not so much. See the article in the current National Geographic on the Seine. It's been under a massive 15 year clean up, upstream to downstream.
Although the article warned of heavy rain can still mucky things up.
They said on the telecast that as of now, the Open swim events to be held on the Seine are a no go at the current levels
https://swimswam.com/nbc-broadcast-reports-e-coli-levels-in-seine-too-high-during-opening-ceremony/#:~:text=But%20even%20as%20athletes%20float,are%20%E2%80%9Ctoo%20high%E2%80%9D%20today. (https://swimswam.com/nbc-broadcast-reports-e-coli-levels-in-seine-too-high-during-opening-ceremony/#:~:text=But%20even%20as%20athletes%20float,are%20%E2%80%9Ctoo%20high%E2%80%9D%20today.)
Minor quibble. Time the "commercial free" commercials better. They could of had these commercials in beach villeyball during the changeover.
I wish rugby 15s was in the Olympics instead of 7s.
Quote from: Warriors4ever on July 26, 2024, 05:10:21 PM
Yes, nothing like those chocolate shops in Paris..
Except for the ones in Belgium
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 27, 2024, 08:40:36 AM
Except for the ones in Belgium
Well
damn, I may disagree with you on a number of issues, but you
do know chocolate.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 26, 2024, 01:41:44 PM
The athletes on boats in the Seine is admittedly cool. Too bad its raining like this.
I guess the athletes will be in Electric Yellow School Busses traversing the Santa Monica 10 Freeway to the LA Colosseum in '28 to do one better.
Ashley Johnson is pretty good
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 27, 2024, 11:25:50 AM
Ashley Johnson is pretty good
Hey, T, watching water polo on a Saturday morning screams out for an intervention. Let me know if I can help.
A real man would be watching the cycling time trials.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 27, 2024, 08:25:58 AM
I wish rugby 15s was in the Olympics instead of 7s.
Why not both?
Quote from: Jockey on July 27, 2024, 12:40:30 PM
Hey, T, watching water polo on a Saturday morning screams out for an intervention. Let me know if I can help.
A real man would be watching the cycling time trials.
Not if one's child plays college water polo...and the same position as Ms. Johnson.
ANTOINE DUPONT!!!!
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 27, 2024, 12:45:14 PM
Not if one's child plays college water polo...and the same position as Ms. Johnson.
Ahhh.
The reason I mentioned cycling was cuz I raced when I was young. Kenosha had the best velodrome in the Midwest (despite me being there).
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 27, 2024, 12:41:07 PM
Why not both?
Pretty physically demanding sport. The best players from the Six Nations, SA, NZ, & Auz are playing 15s so the 7s would basically be the best rugby countries watering down their teams even more so than they already are against places like Fiji and such
VAMOS!
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 27, 2024, 12:45:14 PM
Not if one's child plays college water polo...and the same position as Ms. Johnson.
Water polo is crazy!!' I wish it was a thing where I grew up....probably too late to get into it now, especially with limited swimming abilities....
And Johnson is phenomenal....
the opening "ceremony" was beyond disgusting! try that with Allah sometime
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 27, 2024, 06:44:15 PM
the opening "ceremony" was beyond disgusting! try that with Allah sometime
What?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 27, 2024, 03:32:18 PM
Water polo is crazy!!' I wish it was a thing where I grew up....probably too late to get into it now, especially with limited swimming abilities....
And Johnson is phenomenal....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uOSPI4XGAg
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 27, 2024, 07:40:30 PM
What?
Fox News told him to be outraged and Pavlov's dentist complied
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 27, 2024, 08:14:29 PM
Fox News told him to be outraged and Pavlov's dentist complied
The mods need to ban roqqqet. He's hurting applicant rate
When does Biles begin her quest of absolutely shredding her opponents? And where can we find fencing? Ty.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 27, 2024, 08:30:42 PM
When does Biles begin her quest of absolutely shredding her opponents? And where can we find fencing? Ty.
Do you know how to use Google?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 27, 2024, 06:44:15 PM
the opening "ceremony" was beyond disgusting! try that with Allah sometime
Best one I can remember. That heavy metal riff was awesome
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 27, 2024, 06:44:15 PM
the opening "ceremony" was beyond disgusting! try that with Allah sometime
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13680627/Paris-Olympics-opening-ceremony-Christian-supper-da-vinci-dionysus.html
The opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics sparked outrage for the so-called blasphemous depiction of the Last Supper, but a new theory has emerged about what the bizarre performance was really about.
Reverend Benjamin Cremer, based in the US, shared a post on social media which dispelled the allegation that the controversial scene featuring drag queens was mocking Leonardo da Vinci's classic painting and therefore Christianity.
The post reads: 'It was a representation of the event called the Feast of Dionysus. Greek God of festivity and feasting and ritual and theater.'
'The Olympics are from Greek culture and tradition. French culture is deeply rooted in feasting and festivity and performing arts.'
According to the theory the scene depicted in the opening ceremony was based on a painting called 'Feast of the Gods' by Johann Rottenhammer and Jan Bruegel, circa 1602.
Another social media post challenged the idea the scene was depicting the Last Supper.
Taylor Driskill Pafford wrote, 'This painting is not specifically Dionysus, but is showing how feasts were often depicted during the Renaissance period— with lots of Greek influence.'
'It can look like the feast of Dionysus and it can also be reminiscent of the Last Supper.'
'That's because during the renaissance, many paintings depicting a feast would have a table with people on one side (and maybe a few on the front ends) and have them seated and standing in differing positions.'
Adding weight to Ms Pafford's argument, her post was shared by a pastor.
The Rev. Cassie Rapko wrote, 'It wasn't the Last Supper, which is housed in Italy, not France. it was the Feast of Dionysis.'+++
There are many similar interpretations out there. Just takes a little googling. I don't profess to know what it was supposed to depict. The organizers have not commented yet, and maybe they never will.
Quote from: MU82 on July 28, 2024, 05:55:40 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13680627/Paris-Olympics-opening-ceremony-Christian-supper-da-vinci-dionysus.html
The opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics sparked outrage for the so-called blasphemous depiction of the Last Supper, but a new theory has emerged about what the bizarre performance was really about.
Reverend Benjamin Cremer, based in the US, shared a post on social media which dispelled the allegation that the controversial scene featuring drag queens was mocking Leonardo da Vinci's classic painting and therefore Christianity.
The post reads: 'It was a representation of the event called the Feast of Dionysus. Greek God of festivity and feasting and ritual and theater.'
'The Olympics are from Greek culture and tradition. French culture is deeply rooted in feasting and festivity and performing arts.'
According to the theory the scene depicted in the opening ceremony was based on a painting called 'Feast of the Gods' by Johann Rottenhammer and Jan Bruegel, circa 1602.
Another social media post challenged the idea the scene was depicting the Last Supper.
Taylor Driskill Pafford wrote, 'This painting is not specifically Dionysus, but is showing how feasts were often depicted during the Renaissance period— with lots of Greek influence.'
'It can look like the feast of Dionysus and it can also be reminiscent of the Last Supper.'
'That's because during the renaissance, many paintings depicting a feast would have a table with people on one side (and maybe a few on the front ends) and have them seated and standing in differing positions.'
Adding weight to Ms Pafford's argument, her post was shared by a pastor.
The Rev. Cassie Rapko wrote, 'It wasn't the Last Supper, which is housed in Italy, not France. it was the Feast of Dionysis.'
+++
There are many similar interpretations out there. Just takes a little googling. I don't profess to know what it was supposed to depict. The organizers have not commented yet, and maybe they never will.
It involved drag queens. That's terrifying to real, strong, masculine men. We need to worry about drag queens and books while making more guns in this country.
It was performance art. Done by Europeans, specifically French. I was watching the models doing their runway struts, chuckling, thinking that it was going to tie some Depends into knots. And then forgot about it. I liked the boats on the Seine. Great visual, great spectacle, so very, very French.
Vive' la difference.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 27, 2024, 08:14:29 PM
Fox News told him to be outraged and Pavlov's dentist complied
sorry jackwagon, it's pretty much conventional wisdom. the opening ceremony was over the top. no one has to tell me anything, how or what to believe-that might be how you guys roll, but if you are anyone else here were honest, which is also not one of your strong points, this one is pretty simple. if you don't mind religious values being stepped on and mocked, i'm not surprised
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 28, 2024, 07:10:43 AM
sorry jackwagon, it's pretty much conventional wisdom. the opening ceremony was over the top. no one has to tell me anything, how or what to believe-that might be how you guys roll, but if you are anyone else here were honest, which is also not one of your strong points, this one is pretty simple. if you don't mind religious values being stepped on and mocked, i'm not surprised
1. They may not have been mocking religious values.
2. If they were, my religious values are strong enough to withstand a little mocking. You are free to boycott the Olympics...or France...or whatever if you want.
3. You're being manipulated again.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 28, 2024, 07:10:43 AM
sorry jackwagon, it's pretty much conventional wisdom. the opening ceremony was over the top. no one has to tell me anything, how or what to believe-that might be how you guys roll, but if you are anyone else here were honest, which is also not one of your strong points, this one is pretty simple. if you don't mind religious values being stepped on and mocked, i'm not surprised
It was a depiction of the Feast of Dionysus, not The Last Supper, you gullible rube.
That said, you ought to spend a little more time with the Gospels. Jesus taught his followers to love and embrace society's outcasts. He hung out with prostitutes, tax collectors and others deemed "sinners" by the era's religious right.
The only mockery here is you thinking that a depiction of the Last Supper featuring outcasts is a mockery of your religion.
roQQet needs to enjoy a Diet Mountain Dew and then maybe take out his frustrations on a childless cat lady.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 28, 2024, 07:19:09 AM
1. They may not have been mocking religious values.
2. If they were, my religious values are strong enough to withstand a little mocking. You are free to boycott the Olympics...or France...or whatever if you want.
3. You're being manipulated again.
I saw it myself, i'm not the only one seeing it as such and I'm entitled to my opinion just as you guys are. the international observation has been the opening ceremony was at the very least very weak and uninspiring.
yes my religious values are strong as well, but I'm just saying it was a very poor performance on the world stage. am I losing sleep or has it ruined my day-nope
today, everything is being interpreted thru divisive prisms unfortunately too much.
why didn't they emulate a scene from the quaran? that could have been very inclusive and diverse
advertising is being pulled-they and they and everyone else offended should just get over it, right?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/drag-performance-resembling-last-supper-olympics-opening-ceremony-rcna163927
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 28, 2024, 08:25:54 AM
I saw it myself, i'm not the only one seeing it as such and I'm entitled to my opinion just as you guys are. the international observation has been the opening ceremony was at the very least very weak and uninspiring.
yes my religious values are strong as well, but I'm just saying it was a very poor performance on the world stage. am I losing sleep or has it ruined my day-nope
today, everything is being interpreted thru divisive prisms unfortunately too much.
why didn't they emulate a scene from the quaran? that could have been very inclusive and diverse
advertising is being pulled-they and they and everyone else offended should just get over it, right?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/drag-performance-resembling-last-supper-olympics-opening-ceremony-rcna163927
lol. One tech company out of Mississippi pulled whatever advertising they had. I doubt NBC is concerned in the least.
Anyway this really isn't much of a controversy outside of the bubble you occupy. The rest of the world has long ago moved on.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 27, 2024, 08:25:58 AM
I wish rugby 15s was in the Olympics instead of 7s.
This!
Aka real rugby instead of that abomination created by backs tired of being pummeled by forwards.
Quote from: MU82 on July 28, 2024, 05:55:40 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13680627/Paris-Olympics-opening-ceremony-Christian-supper-da-vinci-dionysus.html
The opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics sparked outrage for the so-called blasphemous depiction of the Last Supper, but a new theory has emerged about what the bizarre performance was really about.
Reverend Benjamin Cremer, based in the US, shared a post on social media which dispelled the allegation that the controversial scene featuring drag queens was mocking Leonardo da Vinci's classic painting and therefore Christianity.
The post reads: 'It was a representation of the event called the Feast of Dionysus. Greek God of festivity and feasting and ritual and theater.'
'The Olympics are from Greek culture and tradition. French culture is deeply rooted in feasting and festivity and performing arts.'
According to the theory the scene depicted in the opening ceremony was based on a painting called 'Feast of the Gods' by Johann Rottenhammer and Jan Bruegel, circa 1602.
Another social media post challenged the idea the scene was depicting the Last Supper.
Taylor Driskill Pafford wrote, 'This painting is not specifically Dionysus, but is showing how feasts were often depicted during the Renaissance period— with lots of Greek influence.'
Shhhhhh, you'll ruin their outrage.
Ha ha ha, who am I kidding? They'll instantly move on to the next outrage and forget this one existed.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 28, 2024, 08:25:54 AM
today, everything is being interpreted thru divisive prisms unfortunately too much.
Perfection
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 28, 2024, 07:10:43 AM
sorry jackwagon, it's pretty much conventional wisdom. the opening ceremony was over the top. no one has to tell me anything, how or what to believe-that might be how you guys roll, but if you are anyone else here were honest, which is also not one of your strong points, this one is pretty simple. if you don't mind religious values being stepped on and mocked, i'm not surprised
Not that you are capable of learning anything, but:
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Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 28, 2024, 08:35:59 AM
lol. One tech company out of Mississippi pulled whatever advertising they had. I doubt NBC is concerned in the least.
Anyway this really isn't much of a controversy outside of the bubble you occupy. The rest of the world has long ago moved on.
Way to go Rocket. All because of you, the Olympics organizers removed the video of the opening ceremonies from YouTube.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 27, 2024, 08:30:42 PMWhen does Biles begin her quest of absolutely shredding her opponents? And where can we find fencing? Ty.
You can search by sport on Peacock. I don't normally subscribe, but for 7.99/month, I signed up and will probably dump it once the Olympics are over.
What she does is even more amazing in person.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 27, 2024, 10:04:33 PMBest one I can remember. That heavy metal riff was awesome
Two members of that band are cousins of a Marquette alum that I am very good friends with.
Somebody, anybody ... please bolt Muggsy's windows shut to keep him from his ledge.
Four year reminder:
FIBA rules/game flow/entertainment >>>>>>>>>>>>>NBA
Dwade with a nice Marquette reference during that Ant play.
Apparently you can hip check someone in International B-Ball and it's just a common foul. Oh....okay.
Time to eviscerate this Serbian team.
In the interest of international goodwill and fellowship, I just hope everyone has fun.
Spoiler Alert
KD is fine
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 28, 2024, 10:48:05 AM
Get him back in the game.
I mean he's gotta sit a little
KD/Lebron/Ant is an unstoppable trio though. I would play them together as much as possible and it don't matter who the other two are.
Also, AD getting two fouls was big
Because he is astronomically better than Embiid in this format.
Embiid honestly shouldn't even play. Just go small if Bam or AD aren't in.
8 sloppy turns. Several by Lebron. Our half court offense is mediocre right now and Jokic is abusing Embiid.
Tatum is going to get a DNP-CD.
Make of that what you will.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 28, 2024, 10:53:49 AM
Tatum is going to get a DNP-CD.
Make of that what you will.
Must be an aura thing.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 28, 2024, 10:53:49 AM
Tatum is going to get a DNP-CD.
Make of that what you will.
He apparently hasn't looked good. And can't make threes.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 28, 2024, 10:53:49 AM
Tatum is going to get a DNP-CD.
Make of that what you will.
I'm one of the conductors of the Tatum is overrated train(still very good) but I'm stunned hes completely out of this rotation.
The officiating is a joke btw. Get Embiid out of the game.
You mean to tell me that Tatum cant play over embiid?!?!?
Embiid at this point should be blessed to just have a roster spot
Embiid foul bates. Doesn't work in this format, and works less in the Playoff format. He's a great regular season NBA player.
Durant is incredible
Obviously wont shoot perfect at all times. But he can get any shot he wants at anytime
Is Anthony Davus hurt?
KD is good.
Yep, another wild take.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2024, 11:01:23 AM
Durant is incredible
Obviously wont shoot perfect at all times. But he can get any shot he wants at anytime
Decent half. :)
Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2024, 11:00:01 AM
Embiid foul bates. Doesn't work in this format, and works less in the Playoff format. He's a great regular season NBA player.
Great example of a guy who is just not a good FIBA player.
Team USA is -11 in 6:27 of game time with him on the floor, +20 in 13:33 with him off the floor.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 28, 2024, 11:13:50 AM
Great example of a guy who is just not a good FIBA player.
Team USA is -11 in 6:27 of game time with him on the floor, +20 in 13:33 with him off the floor.
Get him off the floor. He's struggling catching the ball.
So after meditating on today's sermon, which was that, like a person who doesn't take care of their teeth ends up with dental problems, a person who takes garbage into their minds and hearts ends up with moral problems, I turn on the basketball just in time to see LeBron shoving some guy to the floor.
Jojo made a bucket. Why is he chirping?
Booker isn't doing much.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 28, 2024, 11:35:07 AM
Booker isn't doing much.
Him as a starter is also a joke
Hit a couple open 3s early. But also go blown by on D like 5 times in the initial Serbian run.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2024, 11:36:02 AM
Him as a starter is also a joke
Hit a couple open 3s early. But also go blown by on D like 5 times in the initial Serbian run.
Ya:: I go Davis, Durant, James, Curry, Holiday for at least 27 mins.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 28, 2024, 11:39:34 AM
Ya:: I go Davis, Durant, James, Curry, Holiday for at least 27 mins.
That's insane
1. would never happen
2. Edwards is the 3rd best all around player on this team
68 non-American NBA players in the Olympics, according to Wade.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2024, 11:40:44 AM
That's insane
1. would never happen
2. Edwards is the 3rd best all around player on this team
I like Edwards for 20+ mins.
That was nice.
Now maintain focus and throttle them for the entire 4Q. Do not let off the gas.
It's not that Tatum can't get PT over someone like Embiid that sticks out to me. It's that he's behind Derrick White, who wasn't even on the team 3 weeks ago.
I hope Wade gets better as an analyst. His enthusiasm and energy are solid, but he definitely is raw (and poor) at analysis.
And now it is time to rest the old guys.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 28, 2024, 11:59:15 AM
I hope Wade gets better as an analyst. His enthusiasm and energy are solid, but he definitely is raw (and poor) at analysis.
Ya....hopefully he'll get some feedback like yours.
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Don't forget, Wade was the best player on the 2008 Olympic team. And by a significant margin. Instant offense, smothering defense,, and he even sprinkled in some 3 balls. People tend to overlook that he could adapt his game and was unguardable when healthy.
America only has 6 medals?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 28, 2024, 01:24:48 PM
Welcome to WOKE
I'm boycotting it anyway but just wanted to voice my extreme disappointment
Torri Huske monster swim. Loved the reaction.
Quote from: MU82 on July 28, 2024, 11:53:40 AM
It's not that Tatum can't get PT over someone like Embiid that sticks out to me. It's that he's behind Derrick White, who wasn't even on the team 3 weeks ago.
Derrick White is not my favorite player... but he doesn't need the ball to contribute and he ALWAYS plays D. That's about 98% more D than Tatum plays, and Tatum's defense is even worse if he doesn't get a shot on most possessions.
As for Embid - wasted roster spot. He chose USA because he wouldn't have wanted to sit on the French bench behind Rudy Gobert! Defense is important in 40 minute games with bad refs. Brook Lopez would have been a better option, but Myles Turner or Nic Claxton should be on the team in reality, not Embid.
Walking boot for Simone tomorrow?
https://x.com/evinfour/status/1817607333289099683?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg
Yeah the women ruled that 100m butterfly!
Quote from: WarriorFan on July 28, 2024, 01:58:39 PM
Derrick White is not my favorite player... but he doesn't need the ball to contribute and he ALWAYS plays D. That's about 98% more D than Tatum plays, and Tatum's defense is even worse if he doesn't get a shot on most possessions.
Oh, I know why White is playing over Tatum. It's still eye-opening to see that White's $300M teammate can't get a minute of PT.
USWNT looked really good today.
Congratulations to the female volleyball players for finally wearing sensible clothes.
Athletes, not objects.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 28, 2024, 02:16:55 PM
Walking boot for Simone tomorrow?
She'd better be healthy. Her being hurt would be inexcusable and unacceptable.
We're up to 12 medals. Still disappointing
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 28, 2024, 04:37:10 PM
We're up to 12 medals. Still disappointing
Yeah but how many participation medals?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 28, 2024, 04:47:07 PM
Yeah but how many participation medals?
Nine are silver or bronze.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 28, 2024, 05:02:01 PM
Nine are silver or bronze.
Nine have been won by women. More evidence of the wussification of the American male?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 28, 2024, 04:47:07 PM
Yeah but how many participation medals?
I always found it interesting that here we focus on total medal count and everywhere else they really only care about how many golds you have.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 28, 2024, 05:09:03 PM
I always found it interesting that here we focus on total medal count and everywhere else they really only care about how many golds you have.
I think we always had the largest team so we were guaranteed to be near the top in total medals. This year - other than the host country - we have almost 150 more athletes than anyone else.
We may not get the most gold, but al least we will get the most participation medals.
I don't really care about how a country decides to count medals.
It seems silly to diminish the accomplishments of someone is the second or third best in the world at their given sport just to make a point. These people pour their lives into that effort.
Is anyone having more fun and getting around more in Paris so far than Snoop Dogg lol?
Quote from: Warriors4ever on July 28, 2024, 06:37:37 PM
Is anyone having more fun and getting around more in Paris so far than Snoop Dogg lol?
He's there?
I hadn't noticed.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 28, 2024, 02:16:55 PM
Walking boot for Simone tomorrow?
Was it that bad? She's still on top.
Quote from: warriorchick on July 28, 2024, 10:11:32 AM
Two members of that band are cousins of a Marquette alum that I am very good friends with.
If you attended MU in the early 80's, and Google the band, "Gojira", you will probably figure out who he is.
That makes me like them even more
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 28, 2024, 06:39:38 PM
Was it that bad? She's still on top.
Reports say she will be fine by the next time she needs to compete.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 28, 2024, 05:09:03 PM
I always found it interesting that here we focus on total medal count and everywhere else they really only care about how many golds you have.
Let's be honest, there's no excuse for the USA to not win Gold-Silver-Bronze in every single event (with the possible exception of events where fewer than 3 entrants can be competing under the US flag).
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 27, 2024, 08:30:42 PM
When does Biles begin her quest of absolutely shredding her opponents? And where can we find fencing? Ty.
Spoiler alert, but it was a solid gold medal match in women's foil today.
Quote from: jficke13 on July 28, 2024, 07:55:42 PM
Let's be honest, there's no excuse for the USA to not win Gold-Silver-Bronze in every single event (with the possible exception of events where fewer than 3 entrants can be competing under the US flag).
If we had state-sponsored athletics programs like China or the old Soviet Union, you would be absolutely correct.
I had a co-worker once who was an immigrant from the USSR, and she remembers being vetted as a 5-year-old for gymnastics. If they had chosen her, they would have taken her away from her parents to train.
Good job by our lady fencers. I was surprised to learn Jousting isn't recognized as an Olympic Sport.
It was a close shave for the epee ladies.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 28, 2024, 08:45:59 PM
Good job by our lady fencers. I was surprised to learn Jousting isn't recognized as an Olympic Sport.
Surpised you would be a fan that involves abusing our equine friends
Djokovic is taking Rafa behind the woodshed. Playing for a third straight day, Rafa looks every bit his age, and Djokovic is just a machine. Three or four times, Rafa has applauded great shots by his rival.
Rafa looked like he could barely walk at the opening ceremonies
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 28, 2024, 11:23:18 PM
Surpised you would be a fan that involves abusing our equine friends
I'm not really a fan but if they're going to have equestrian events I'm not sure why jousting would be nixed.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 29, 2024, 07:54:12 AM
I'm not really a fan but if they're going to have equestrian events I'm not sure why jousting would be nixed.
Good point since sword fighting and spear chucking are already events.
Quote from: Jockey on July 29, 2024, 07:56:46 AM
Good point since sword fighting and spear chucking are already events.
Stop attacking medieval activities.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 28, 2024, 08:25:54 AM
advertising is being pulled-they and they and everyone else offended should just get over it, right?
Ratings are big.
https://x.com/paulsen_smw/status/1817678677229908337
So either "get over it" or don't watch. The Olympics, NBC, the advertisers all will be fine regardless.
Anyway, I do want to say that I have been critical of NBC's coverage for many years, but thoroughly enjoyed their coverage over the weekend. Also played around on Peacock and their "Gold Zone," and thought it was well done.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 29, 2024, 07:46:57 AM
Rafa looked like he could barely walk at the opening ceremonies
Yeah, the sun has just about set on one of the all-time great careers in any sport.
Would be cool if he could go out winning the doubles with Alcaraz. Rafa looked pretty good in their first match - there's less running in doubles and more shotmaking at the net, which he's still great at.
Quote from: MU82 on July 29, 2024, 08:10:56 AM
Yeah, the sun has just about set on one of the all-time great careers in any sport.
Would be cool if he could go out winning the doubles with Alcaraz. Rafa looked pretty good in their first match - there's less running in doubles and more shotmaking at the net, which he's still great at.
I see it's 4-4 in the 2nd.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 29, 2024, 08:18:37 AM
I see it's 4-4 in the 2nd.
I turned it off with Djokovic up 4-1 in the second. I see that Djokovic ended up winning the match, but at least Rafa made him sweat a tiny bit.
I saw a replay of the point Rafa won to break Novak and tie it at 4-4. It was classic Rafa ... but there were far too few of those today. Which is understandable. He's ancient in tennis years, and his body has broken down. What a career, though!
Quote from: MU82 on July 29, 2024, 08:43:49 AM
I turned it off with Djokovic up 4-1 in the second. I see that Djokovic ended up winning the match, but at least Rafa made him sweat a tiny bit.
I saw a replay of the point Rafa won to break Novak and tie it at 4-4. It was classic Rafa ... but there were far too few of those today. Which is understandable. He's ancient in tennis years, and his body has broken down. What a career, though!
That sucks. :(
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 29, 2024, 08:10:21 AM
Ratings are big.
https://x.com/paulsen_smw/status/1817678677229908337
So either "get over it" or don't watch. The Olympics, NBC, the advertisers all will be fine regardless.
Anyway, I do want to say that I have been critical of NBC's coverage for many years, but thoroughly enjoyed their coverage over the weekend. Also played around on Peacock and their "Gold Zone," and thought it was well done.
Just because people watched doesn't mean they weren't offended with what they watched... That being said, at the end of the day, it's art, and offended or not-offended, I would say it was successful merely from the fact that viewers felt *something* from it that caused them to talk about it well beyond the event. I unfortunately missed it in its entirety (only saw some clips) but, because of the discussion, I would like to go back and watch the whole thing...seems like there were some really cool moments.
There were. The catwalk/runway fashion kept in the finest French art tradition of gender bending. I honestly never thought of the last supper when they went to the now (in)famous scene. To my knowledge, there was never a naked blue guy at the last supper. I wasn't sure what it was, I just chalked it up to the French being French.
"The French being French" doesn't gin up the outrage machine.
I believe the blue guy was Dionysius, the Ancient Greek god, and the scene was a Bacchanalian feast....
Quote from: Warriors4ever on July 29, 2024, 09:34:48 AM
I believe the blue guy was Dionysius, the Ancient Greek god, and the scene was a Bacchanalian feast....
This is a famous painting at the Louvre.
And I believe there were less than 13 persons in the scene of "outrage".
I see some bishop from Rochester, MN is making a fool of himself.
The creator has said it is specifically NOT the last supper.
But facts and truth rarely impact the fauxrage economy.
Quote from: tower912 on July 29, 2024, 09:43:37 AM
The creator has said it is specifically NOT the last supper.
But facts and truth rarely impact the fauxrage economy.
It must be exhausting to live in a world where you've been convinced all facets of society are out to destroy your values. The media. The government. Hollywood. Educators. Social media companies. Bud Light. Keurig. Starbucks. ESPN. M&Ms. Netflix. And now, the Olympics.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 29, 2024, 09:53:17 AM
It must be exhausting to live in a world where you've been convinced all facets of society are out to destroy your values. The media. The government. Hollywood. Educators. Social media companies. Bud Light. Keurig. Starbucks. ESPN. M&Ms. Netflix. And now, the Olympics.
Everything is exhausting these days...every little thing can be offensive to anyone if they want to make a stink about something. In graduate school I once got berated in front of my research group by another graduate student because we were doing a journal club on some paper that came from a Candadian group and I had refered to them as "Canucks." Apparently it is inapprorpriate and offensive despite the existence of a hockey team from Canada with the same name...
Unfortunately, for the creator, people jumped on the whole "Last Supper" thing before he could clarify that it wasn't meant to be the Last Supper and now they are too far down the rabbit hole to step back and admit they were wrong to be outraged in the first place.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 29, 2024, 10:18:24 AM
Everything is exhausting these days...every little thing can be offensive to anyone if they want to make a stink about something. In graduate school I once got berated in front of my research group by another graduate student because we were doing a journal club on some paper that came from a Candadian group and I had refered to them as "Canucks." Apparently it is inapprorpriate and offensive despite the existence of a hockey team from Canada with the same name...
Unfortunately, for the creator, people jumped on the whole "Last Supper" thing before he could clarify that it wasn't meant to be the Last Supper and now they are too far down the rabbit hole to step back and admit they were wrong to be outraged in the first place.
So you're saying we shouldn't hold our breath waiting for roqqet to admit he was wrong?
Quote from: Pakuni on July 29, 2024, 09:53:17 AM
It must be exhausting to live in a world where you've been convinced all facets of society are out to destroy your values. The media. The government. Hollywood. Educators. Social media companies. Bud Light. Keurig. Starbucks. ESPN. M&Ms. Netflix. And now, the Olympics.
The Deep State controls it all. Never forget the Deep State!
Quote from: Pakuni on July 29, 2024, 09:53:17 AM
It must be exhausting to live in a world where you've been convinced all facets of society are out to destroy your values. The media. The government. Hollywood. Educators. Social media companies. Bud Light. Keurig. Starbucks. ESPN. M&Ms. Netflix. And now, the Olympics.
Jane Coaston 🏔️
@janecoaston
The degree to which some political culture is made up of Finding crap About Which to Whine is almost impressive to me
Quote from: warriorchick on July 28, 2024, 08:33:12 PM
If we had state-sponsored athletics programs like China or the old Soviet Union, you would be absolutely correct.
I had a co-worker once who was an immigrant from the USSR, and she remembers being vetted as a 5-year-old for gymnastics. If they had chosen her, they would have taken her away from her parents to train.
I was being a bit facetious.
Men's individual foil has one guy alive in the round of 4 later this afternoon. I was a little surprised we had two others lose in the round of 16. The two who are out were legit medal contenders.
Quote from: jficke13 on July 29, 2024, 11:00:05 AM
Men's individual foil has one guy alive in the round of 4
How many dead?
Quote from: MU82 on July 29, 2024, 11:10:57 AM
How many dead?
The field was 64... so I suppose 60.
So far.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 29, 2024, 10:31:06 AM
So you're saying we shouldn't hold our breath waiting for roqqet to admit he was wrong?
Not until OAN tells him to.
Quote from: MU82 on July 29, 2024, 11:10:57 AM
How many dead?
Sword fighting is a tough sport. Only one guy standing at the end. No silver or bronze medals.
Quote from: jficke13 on July 29, 2024, 11:00:05 AM
Men's individual foil has one guy alive in the round of 4 later this afternoon. I was a little surprised we had two others lose in the round of 16. The two who are out were legit medal contenders.
How often does fencing follow seed form at the Olympics? In other words, are upsets common?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 29, 2024, 11:27:51 AM
How often does fencing follow seed form at the Olympics? In other words, are upsets common?
Has anyone ever payed close enough attention to know?
Quote from: Pakuni on July 29, 2024, 09:53:17 AM
It must be exhausting to live in a world where you've been convinced all facets of society are out to destroy your values. The media. The government. Hollywood. Educators. Social media companies. Bud Light. Keurig. Starbucks. ESPN. M&Ms. Netflix. And now, the Olympics.
It disgusts me that you left Target off this list. And Disney.
Quote from: The Lens on July 29, 2024, 11:43:48 AM
It disgusts me that you left Target off this list. And Disney.
And the NBA and NFL.
France has equaled us in total medals and has 1 more gold. Even though I'm boycotting, this is outrageous
Quote from: Jockey on July 29, 2024, 11:26:40 AM
Sword fighting is a tough sport. Only one guy standing at the end. No silver or bronze medals.
I'd kill for a chance at a gold medal.
Quote from: Jockey on July 29, 2024, 11:29:23 AM
Has anyone ever payed close enough attention to know?
I've only followed it for a few olympics cycles since I started fencing myself, and almost exclusively follow foil, so I don't know that I have a wide enough perspective to comment. I will say that the qualification process requires all of these fencers to more or less fence at world cup events against each other pretty often, and the world rankings are fairly predictive or at least generally so. But that might be more of a thing kind of like baseball's long season is good at sorting teams but a short series can let weird things happen.
Well, it's one 15-touch bout and all of these guys are freakishly good, so you could trip up even though you're a world top 5.
Just seems silly to have a sport in which the combatants bash each other over the heads with fences.
Quote from: jficke13 on July 29, 2024, 01:15:18 PM
I've only followed it for a few olympics cycles since I started fencing myself, and almost exclusively follow foil, so I don't know that I have a wide enough perspective to comment. I will say that the qualification process requires all of these fencers to more or less fence at world cup events against each other pretty often, and the world rankings are fairly predictive or at least generally so. But that might be more of a thing kind of like baseball's long season is good at sorting teams but a short series can let weird things happen.
Well, it's one 15-touch bout and all of these guys are freakishly good, so you could trip up even though you're a world top 5.
Thank you.
Quote from: MU82 on July 29, 2024, 01:30:25 PM
Just seems silly to have a sport in which the combatants bash each other over the heads with fences.
That's epee and sabre. The head isn't a valid target in foil. Plus you have to depress the tip of the blade in both epee and foil, so I suppose in sabre there could be bashing.
So right now it's more like poking someone from groin to neck with the tip of a fence.
dangit, Itkin into the bronze medal bout.
Quote from: MU82 on July 29, 2024, 01:30:25 PM
Just seems silly to have a sport in which the combatants bash each other over the heads with fences.
The fences are made with foil, so it doesn't hurt
Better fences than feces, I suppose.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 29, 2024, 12:41:20 PM
I'd kill for a chance at a gold medal.
But would you be killed for the same chance?
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 29, 2024, 02:16:05 PM
But would you be killed for the same chance?
I'll get back to you on that question, OK? I'm up next.
Edit: Snoop asked me to post in case he didn't make it. He was awarded the silver medal postmortem, so there's
that. He said that if he didn't make it, some little delusional sh!t on scoop would be ecstatic that he went down.
Lots of participation trophies for the americans today
Quote from: jficke13 on July 29, 2024, 01:15:18 PM
I've only followed it for a few olympics cycles since I started fencing myself, and almost exclusively follow foil, so I don't know that I have a wide enough perspective to comment. I will say that the qualification process requires all of these fencers to more or less fence at world cup events against each other pretty often, and the world rankings are fairly predictive or at least generally so. But that might be more of a thing kind of like baseball's long season is good at sorting teams but a short series can let weird things happen.
Well, it's one 15-touch bout and all of these guys are freakishly good, so you could trip up even though you're a world top 5.
I am a little surprised that they have not found a wireless solution for the electronic scoring devices, and that they still depend on the cables.
Men's gymnastics took the bronze in the team event, their first medal in 16 years.
Number 24 on Japan putting up threes over Griner was a hilarious visual
Quote from: warriorchick on July 29, 2024, 03:05:14 PM
I am a little surprised that they have not found a wireless solution for the electronic scoring devices, and that they still depend on the cables.
wireless scoring devices do exist. I'm... erm... not *quite* on the level of international competition, but I suspect that for scoring in major events wired is preferred to prevent any wireless connectivity issues. Kind of the same reason why whenever possible it's best to set up for an event with a wired microphone or at least to have one in reserve.
The wireless setups are really great for fencing clubs in shared gyms. You put this like, little altoids-tin-sized thing in your back pocket and it communicates with a shoebox sized thing that sits in the middle of the strip and lights green/red for on-target and white for off-target touches. Almost no set up/tear down if you only have like a YMCA basketball court for an hour.
By all accounts, the Olympic pool is as slow as molasses. Unless of course you're an elite animal kingdom swimmer like a sailfish for example. :) 67 mph btw. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 29, 2024, 05:22:24 PM
By all accounts, the Olympic pool is as slow as molasses. Unless of course you're an elite animal kingdom swimmer like a sailfish for example. :) 67 mph btw. :)
But much slower when they're on the other end of my fishing rod.
I was thinking that wired touchpads were used because of possible connectivity issues - imagine things going down right as swimmers finished...,
Quote from: Pakuni on July 29, 2024, 05:23:54 PM
But much slower when they're on the other end of my fishing rod.
Pakiuni,
A Sailfish can swin the 200 m in 10 secs. I repeat, 10 secs. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 29, 2024, 05:22:24 PM
By all accounts, the Olympic pool is as slow as molasses. Unless of course you're an elite animal kingdom swimmer like a sailfish for example. :) 67 mph btw. :)
Can we stop with the animal nonsense please?
Countries that have more gold medals than us:
South Korea
Japan
China
France
Australia
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 29, 2024, 05:30:04 PM
Can we stop with the animal nonsense please?
Not if this annoys you! I will make a point of sharing more animal athletic dominance throughout the thread.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 29, 2024, 05:22:24 PM
By all accounts, the Olympic pool is as slow as molasses. Unless of course you're an elite animal kingdom swimmer like a sailfish for example. :) 67 mph btw. :)
Yep. Too shallow. Definitely not a world class pool. Unless it happened since I last checked, there hasn't been a single world record broken yet.
Quote from: warriorchick on July 29, 2024, 05:54:36 PM
Yep. Too shallow. Definitely not a world class pool. Unless it happened since I last checked, there hasn't been a single world record broken yet.
How could they mess this up so badly wc?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 29, 2024, 05:43:43 PM
Not if this annoys you! I will make a point of sharing more animal athletic dominance throughout the thread.
never heard the analogy swim like a manatee...yet
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 29, 2024, 06:12:28 PM
never heard the analogy swim like a manatee...yet
🚀,
Manatees can swim 19 mph when motivated! I'm not sure if Fluffy's hissy-fit will bother them, but to put this into perspective Phelps could only manage 4.7 mph in his prime. :)
Oh I am not having a hissy fit. It would just be nice to keep the Paris Olympics topic (that you started) about the actual games and not about your weird animal fantasies.
But if you want to continue down this road, feel free.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 29, 2024, 06:16:00 PM
🚀,
Manatees can swim 19 mph when motivated! I'm not sure if Fluffy's hissy-fit will bother them, but to put this into perspective Phelps could only manage 4.7 mph in his prime. :)
Manatees are morons. Not a single one of them has ever won a gold medal but I'd have them look at my teeth before roqqqet
It's so interesting seeing Chase Budinger playing volleyball.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 29, 2024, 06:28:59 PM
Manatees are morons. Not a single one of them has ever won a gold medal but I'd have them look at my teeth before roqqqet
Manatees are misunderstood. They're also more intelligent than given credit. I understand that brother dgies has had a few personal issues with this species, but the immutable truth is that they're tremendous members of the marine mammal community. They're essentially sea puppies with kind hearts and a warm disposition. They are incredibly graceful despite their rotund frames and significant weight. There is not a single recorded incident of a manatee using their power to submerge and end the life of a human. Keep that in mind before disparaging them and recognize their unique and special gifts.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 29, 2024, 08:40:26 PM
Manatees are misunderstood. They're also more intelligent than given credit. I understand that brother dgies has had a few personal issues with this species, but the immutable truth is that they're tremendous members of the marine mammal community. They're essentially sea puppies with kind hearts and a warm disposition. They are incredibly graceful despite their rotund frames and significant weight. There is not a single recorded incident of a manatee using their power to submerge and end the life of a human. Keep that in mind before disparaging them and recognize their unique and special gifts.
they are fat blundering idiots with absolutely zero gifts
Quote from: jficke13 on July 29, 2024, 01:33:21 PM
That's epee and sabre. The head isn't a valid target in foil. Plus you have to depress the tip of the blade in both epee and foil, so I suppose in sabre there could be bashing.
So right now it's more like poking someone from groin to neck with the tip of a fence.
I can't wait for the greatsword finals
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 29, 2024, 06:12:28 PM
never heard the analogy swim like a manatee...yet
Ready to admit that you were an idiot about the open ceremony yet?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 29, 2024, 09:02:48 PM
they are fat blundering idiots with absolutely zero gifts
They are naturally large, not fat.
From Yahoo Sports:
NBC Universal averaged 34.5 million viewers through Sunday, a 79% jump from Tokyo. Perhaps the most impressive number of all: 10.9 million people watched the U.S. men's basketball opener.
The roQQet boycott is KILLING viewership!
Quote from: MU82 on July 30, 2024, 07:50:36 AM
From Yahoo Sports:
NBC Universal averaged 34.5 million viewers through Sunday, a 79% jump from Tokyo. Perhaps the most impressive number of all: 10.9 million people watched the U.S. men's basketball opener.
The silent majority is really a weirdo minority
The roQQet boycott is KILLING viewership!
Quote from: MU82 on July 30, 2024, 07:50:36 AM
From Yahoo Sports:
NBC Universal averaged 34.5 million viewers through Sunday, a 79% jump from Tokyo. Perhaps the most impressive number of all: 10.9 million people watched the U.S. men's basketball opener.
The roQQet boycott is KILLING viewership!
Dan Wolken
@DanWolken
One day we will learn that the grievance and boycott crowd is a statistically insignificant - but admittedly loud - group of people who just don't represent where America is.
Weird.
They let Germany get back into the match but props to men's volleyball for dropping the hammer in the 5th.
Maybe Rocket's not wrong after all. Performers say it was the Last Supper.
https://catholicherald.co.uk/drag-queen-confirms-it-was-a-parody-of-last-supper/
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 30, 2024, 08:30:51 AM
Maybe Rocket's not wrong after all. Performers say it was the Last Supper.
https://catholicherald.co.uk/drag-queen-confirms-it-was-a-parody-of-last-supper/
Given the millions killed through history by Christians and other religions and ignoring sexual predation within their ranks, a little mockery is the least they should expect
Even if it was a depiction of the Last Supper, which disputes what others have said, I have no idea what the big deal was.
Maybe people should just calm the f*ck down and stop feeling aggrieved over everything. People used to be persecuted and killed simply for being Christian. Pretty sure Christians can handle this.
This has been a fun olympics thread. Manatees and the last supper.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 30, 2024, 09:12:11 AM
This has been a fun olympics thread. Manatees and the last supper.
And Team USA chocking like dawgs
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 30, 2024, 08:30:51 AM
Maybe Rocket's not wrong after all. Performers say it was the Last Supper.
https://catholicherald.co.uk/drag-queen-confirms-it-was-a-parody-of-last-supper/
Explain to me why it was offensive.
If you go online you will find thousands of parodies of the Last Supper. If this was one, combining Dionysius and Baccanalian feast, I suspect the real issue is that it was drag queens.
It was still an outstanding opening ceremony, there have been a lot of wonderful competitions and accomplishments, and those who want to can go ahead and boycott while I enjoy watching, and wishing I was there...
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 30, 2024, 09:12:11 AM
This has been a fun olympics thread. Manatees and the last supper.
Is it true manatee was served at the Last Supper?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 30, 2024, 09:12:11 AM
This has been a fun olympics thread. Manatees and the last supper.
A whale of a thread.
Sea what I did there?
On a positive note, my cousin's daughter is competing in rowing/double sculls and her finals is on the 1st. She cannot take the gold but can still medal. On an even more positive not, my cousin and 13 other Serbs are in Paris and doing their best to drink Paris out of beer and anything thing else they can get. He did mention earlier today that the French cannot make a drink worth a damn.
Note--while the Serbs arrived from MKE, his daughter is on the USA team.
Quote from: Goose on July 30, 2024, 10:46:40 AM
He did mention earlier today that the French cannot make a drink worth a damn.
First rule of traveling - go with their specialty. Don't order Chinese food in Hungary - get the goulash.
In France, drink the wine.
France vs Japan, men's basketball. Not a lot of mid range going on. Learned today that in FIBA an 'unsportsmanlike' foul is the equivalent of a futbol yellow card. Two in a game leads to an ejection. I think that is what happened.
France got bailed out late on a phantom foul, leading to a game tying 4 point play.
chick
I am sure they will figure that out sooner or later. That said, I am fully confident they will not be shortchanged at the bar. This is a group of pros and Paris will know they were there.
Kronenbourg 1664 is a damn good beer.
Quote from: The Lens on July 30, 2024, 12:27:07 PM
Kronenbourg 1664 is a damn good beer.
And France has had a micro brewery growth also. I was drinking good Norman beer in Normandy back in April and I'm sure there are similar breweries that have popped up in the Paris area if you're not a wine drinker.
Normandy was loaded with Cidre's and it tasted nothing like I expected. It was incredibly tasty and better than anticipated and I was very sorry I only came home with one small bottle.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 30, 2024, 09:57:50 AM
Is it true manatee was served at the Last Supper?
I don't think manatee is kosher.
For those bent out of shape over the depiction of the Last Supper, all I can say is "lighten up!"
Our founder sort of told us we should "turn the other cheek." Nobody said being a Christian would be easy -- it's hard work and we're going to be ridiculed at times. Best thing to do is simply to pray our friends who mock us someday discover the peace of Christ.
Finally, Brother Muggs, I don't have a problem with manatees. They're actually swimming not far from my backyard in the Indian River Lagoon. We take our manatees seriously in Florida (they make us tourist money!) and our state has taken major efforts to improve water quality in the lagoon. The seagrass manatees feed on is coming back aggressively and we haven't had any lettuce dumps recently. Manatees 1, Phosphates 0!
How has Simone looked today?
And WTH happened with Gauff?
Ty.
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 30, 2024, 12:54:57 PM
I don't think manatee is kosher.
For those bent out of shape over the depiction of the Last Supper, all I can say is "lighten up!"
Our founder sort of told us we should "turn the other cheek." Nobody said being a Christian would be easy -- it's hard work and we're going to be ridiculed at times. Best thing to do is simply to pray our friends who mock us someday discover the peace of Christ.
Finally, Brother Muggs, I don't have a problem with manatees. They're actually swimming not far from my backyard in the Indian River Lagoon. We take our manatees seriously in Florida (they make us tourist money!) and our state has taken major efforts to improve water quality in the lagoon. The seagrass manatees feed on is coming back aggressively and we haven't had any lettuce dumps recently. Manatees 1, Phosphates 0!
Very good to hear brother dgies. I thought a particular manatee caused you a few probs some time ago but I may be mistaken on some of the details in the story. What I do know is that they are shaped like oversized torpedoes at birth and this should not be held against them. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 30, 2024, 01:02:19 PM
How has Simone looked today?
And WTH happened with Gauff?
Ty.
Can't help. I'm boycotting but we've only won 1 medal today
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2024, 01:09:50 PM
Can't help. I'm boycotting but we've only won 1 medal today
Good grief. We need to kick up the intensity.
VAMOS!
Simone looked great and the ladies just won gold!
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 30, 2024, 01:29:21 PM
Simone looked great and the ladies just won gold!
Ugh. Now she'll be on TV all over the place
Just about the textbook definition of taking care of business.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 30, 2024, 01:11:16 PM
Good grief. We need to kick up the intensity.
We need a medieval arsenal deployed in all competitions
Hey Goose best of luck to your cousin!!
Thanks, Warriors4ever. Exciting stuff for my cousin and his family. I did not realize how cool it was to have a family member represent the USA until a few days ago and I have been enjoying getting updates from Paris.
Under 23 USMNT looked good. Through to the elimination rounds.
Goose, tell your cousin there is an entire thread on TripAdvisor Paris forum about craft beer places....
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g187147-i14-k13871517-Any_Artisanal_Craft_Beer_Surprises-Paris_Ile_de_France.html
Hope this link works...
Women's rugby takes the bronze!
With a finish to end all finishes.
Yes!
Goose,
Best of luck to your cousin.
Quote from: Goose on July 30, 2024, 01:59:28 PM
Thanks, Warriors4ever. Exciting stuff for my cousin and his family. I did not realize how cool it was to have a family member represent the USA until a few days ago and I have been enjoying getting updates from Paris.
This is indeed very cool! Good luck to you cousin and his family. And Chick is right...they ought to stick to wine!!
Quote from: Pakuni on July 30, 2024, 09:38:13 AM
Explain to me why it was offensive.
Not saying that I was offended, just that it apparently was actually a portrayal of the last supper and not Dionysus according to some performers.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 30, 2024, 01:02:19 PM
And WTH happened with Gauff?
She fell apart after a disagreement with the umpire. That comes on the heels of her collapse at Wimbledon.
Maybe there's too much pressure on her - from herself or others - and she needs a break.
Or maybe it's just a matter of a young athlete continuing to mature. Seems she's been around forever but she's only 20.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 30, 2024, 04:47:57 PM
Not saying that I was offended, just that it apparently was actually a portrayal of the last supper and not Dionysus according to some performers.
If I read your article, it was according to one performer, not some. A second one is mentioned but they just tweeted a picture of the last supper painting next to an image of the performance.
I do not know who is telling the truth on this. Personally, the Last Supper comparison doesn't make sense to me given that there's no connection between that painting and France or Greece but who knows maybe they shoehorned it in there.
Quote from: MU82 on July 30, 2024, 05:07:36 PM
She fell apart after a disagreement with the umpire. That comes on the heels of her collapse at Wimbledon.
Maybe there's too much pressure on her - from herself or others - and she needs a break.
Or maybe it's just a matter of a young athlete continuing to mature. Seems she's been around forever but she's only 20.
Have played with and against many like her in that you allow something out of your control completely dictate the rest of your match. Hard thing to work past mentally, but when she is in form mentally she is about as good as it gets.
Or maybe because she's woke. Who can be sure these days!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 30, 2024, 05:18:11 PM
If I read your article, it was according to one performer, not some. A second one is mentioned but they just tweeted a picture of the last supper painting next to an image of the performance.
I do not know who is telling the truth on this. Personally, the Last Supper comparison doesn't make sense to me given that there's no connection between that painting and France or Greece but who knows maybe they shoehorned it in there.
It doesn't really have to make sense does it? It seems like it can be interpreted many ways even among those who performed it. It doesn't really matter and any one who ever watched an d enjoyed South Park can't really claim to be offended by it. I mainly shared the article after someone in this thread made a comment in response to something I wrote questioning whether Rocket would admit he was wrong about it being the last supper (or something to that affect...I don't really care to go through old pages to find the original comment).
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 30, 2024, 08:30:51 AM
Maybe Rocket's not wrong after all. Performers say it was the Last Supper.
https://catholicherald.co.uk/drag-queen-confirms-it-was-a-parody-of-last-supper/
thank you jutaw! classic! just like deep fake videos...can't believe what we are seeing. still waiting for the Islam version. maybe the closing ceremony. i'm ready with my interpretation
Cmon man... WTF are we doing here?
https://wtmj.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Letter-from-Archbishop-Listecki-re-Last-Supper.pdf
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 30, 2024, 06:43:03 PM
It doesn't really have to make sense does it? It seems like it can be interpreted many ways even among those who performed it. It doesn't really matter and any one who ever watched an d enjoyed South Park can't really claim to be offended by it. I mainly shared the article after someone in this thread made a comment in response to something I wrote questioning whether Rocket would admit he was wrong about it being the last supper (or something to that affect...I don't really care to go through old pages to find the original comment).
It doesn't have to, but everything else in the opening ceremony had a connection to french culture or Olympics. It would seem odd to me if they randomly added a depiction of an Italian painting that's housed in Italy
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 30, 2024, 06:50:32 PM
Cmon man... WTF are we doing here?
https://wtmj.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Letter-from-Archbishop-Listecki-re-Last-Supper.pdf
Grandstanding?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 30, 2024, 06:43:03 PM
It doesn't really have to make sense does it? It seems like it can be interpreted many ways even among those who performed it. It doesn't really matter and any one who ever watched an d enjoyed South Park can't really claim to be offended by it. I mainly shared the article after someone in this thread made a comment in response to something I wrote questioning whether Rocket would admit he was wrong about it being the last supper (or something to that affect...I don't really care to go through old pages to find the original comment).
This you?
QuoteUnfortunately, for the creator, people jumped on the whole "Last Supper" thing before he could clarify that it wasn't meant to be the Last Supper and now they are too far down the rabbit hole to step back and admit they were wrong to be outraged in the first place.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 30, 2024, 06:59:39 PM
It doesn't have to, but everything else in the opening ceremony had a connection to french culture or Olympics. It would seem odd to me if they randomly added a depiction of an Italian painting that's housed in Italy
Especially considering what the CREATOR has stated of it
Quote from: Goose on July 30, 2024, 10:46:40 AM
On a positive note, my cousin's daughter is competing in rowing/double sculls and her finals is on the 1st. She cannot take the gold but can still medal. On an even more positive not, my cousin and 13 other Serbs are in Paris and doing their best to drink Paris out of beer and anything thing else they can get. He did mention earlier today that the French cannot make a drink worth a damn.
Note--while the Serbs arrived from MKE, his daughter is on the USA team.
Rooting for your cousin. Enjoy this moment no matter what the outcome is.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 30, 2024, 06:47:25 PM
thank you jutaw! classic! just like deep fake videos...can't believe what we are seeing. still waiting for the Islam version. maybe the closing ceremony. i'm ready with my interpretation
I won't watch. I'm boycotting from my non-violated couch. WWJD?
Quote from: MU82 on July 30, 2024, 05:07:36 PM
She fell apart after a disagreement with the umpire. That comes on the heels of her collapse at Wimbledon.
Maybe there's too much pressure on her - from herself or others - and she needs a break.
Or maybe it's just a matter of a young athlete continuing to mature. Seems she's been around forever but she's only 20.
Well, she's young but experienced. And talented enough to win like 10 Majors. Hopefully she figures it out. I think we agree a bad line call shouldn't derail her. That said, it's dumb they don't use Hawkeye or replay at the French.
Great Britain has as many gold medals as us
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2024, 07:30:17 PM
Great Britain has as many gold medals as us
1775 all over again.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2024, 07:30:17 PM
Great Britain has as many gold medals as us
That cannot happen. But it's early.
We haven't gotten to track and field yet.
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 30, 2024, 07:03:52 PM
This you?
Yeah. What's your point? I was willing to accept what the creator stated earlier. Today, I was sent the article that I linked, which indicates that some performers (or a solitary performer) were under the impression that the bit was actually in reference to what sparked the outrage. I also basically said I don't care, so not sure why you do.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 30, 2024, 08:18:32 PM
We haven't gotten to track and field yet.
Correct.
Are we underperforming or is Rico just Ricoing?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 30, 2024, 08:34:04 PM
Correct.
Are we underperforming or is Rico just Ricoing?
We're underperforming.
Shooting is on now. Americans have to be good at that, right?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 30, 2024, 09:02:36 PM
Shooting is on now. Americans have to be good at that, right?
We're excellent at quantity, but fall short on quality.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2024, 08:55:41 PM
We're underperforming.
We should dominate the track but perhaps we need to wake up.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on July 30, 2024, 09:06:15 PM
We're excellent at quantity, but fall short on quality.
Aim no matta with an AR.
My horse has long been dead, but I'm still beating it.
I wish some of these creepy bishops had gotten this mad over the assault of little boys.
Catholics have no right to be outraged.
Quote from: Jockey on July 30, 2024, 09:42:53 PM
My horse has long been dead, but I'm still beating it.
I wish some of these creepy bishops had gotten this mad over the assault of little boys.
Catholics have no right to be outraged.
They have pills for that
Quote from: Jockey on July 30, 2024, 09:42:53 PM
My horse has long been dead, but I'm still beating it.
I wish some of these creepy bishops had gotten this mad over the assault of little boys.
Catholics have no right to be outraged.
well Jeff toobin survived worse...good thing scoop doesn't do zoom calls, but "dead horsey"? sorry, but you are just getting old and creepier
oh and btw, TMI alert!!
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 31, 2024, 04:52:17 AM
well Jeff toobin survived worse...good thing scoop doesn't do zoom calls, but "dead horsey"? sorry, but you are just getting old and creepier
oh and btw, TMI alert!!
Jeffrey Toobin survived worse than covering up sexual assault of minors for decades?
Emma Navarro ripped her Chinese opponent after losing, sounding like both a sore loser and an ugly American.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5670274/2024/07/30/qinwen-zheng-emma-navarro-olympics-tennis/?
She said she didn't respect her opponent, Qinwen Zheng, but wouldn't explain why.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 30, 2024, 09:02:36 PM
Shooting is on now. Americans have to be good at that, right?
Targets aren't people, so no.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2024, 06:19:33 AM
Jeffrey Toobin survived worse than covering up sexual assault of minors for decades?
You're asking him to make sense... now?
Katherine Plouffe and her sister Michelle led Canada 3x3 Women's basketball team to a win over Australia in the opening of pool play. The US team, defending champions, lost to Germany.
Fencers seem like such kind, rational people.
Badminton btw is fking awesome.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 31, 2024, 07:42:50 AM
Badminton btw is fking awesome.
We better win the gold in all badminton events
Katie Ledecky goes for gold this afternoon in the 1500m freestyle - an event at which she's dominated even more than Nadal has dominated the French Open.
She hasn't lost a 1500m race since she was in junior high school 14 years ago ... she's held the world record since 2013 ... and she owns the 19 fastest times ever.
And given that she won her heat by 17 freakin' seconds, I like her chances to continue all of those streaks.
(stats above from Yahoo Sports)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2024, 07:52:07 AM
We better win the gold in all badminton events
Badminton > Pickleball
Their snap backhand overheads take a lot of skill. You also need far better overall quickness and reflexes.
Now 🏓 has an advantage because if you have thwackability, you can put permanent red marks on your opponent. :)
Quote from: MU82 on July 31, 2024, 07:54:07 AM
Katie Ledecky goes for gold this afternoon in the 1500m freestyle - an event at which she's dominated even more than Nadal has dominated the French Open.
She hasn't lost a 1500m race since she was in junior high school 14 years ago ... she's held the world record since 2013 ... and she owns the 19 fastest times ever.
And given that she won her heat by 17 freakin' seconds, I like her chances to continue all of those streaks.
(stats above from Yahoo Sports)
I'm gonna book.that one. Secradecky will not be caught.
Quote from: MU82 on July 31, 2024, 07:54:07 AM
Katie Ledecky goes for gold this afternoon in the 1500m freestyle - an event at which she's dominated even more than Nadal has dominated the French Open.
She hasn't lost a 1500m race since she was in junior high school 14 years ago ... she's held the world record since 2013 ... and she owns the 19 fastest times ever.
And given that she won her heat by 17 freakin' seconds, I like her chances to continue all of those streaks.
(stats above from Yahoo Sports)
She'll probably chock
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 31, 2024, 08:01:19 AM
I'm gonna book.that one. Secradecky will not be caught.
Consider a new nickname.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 31, 2024, 08:00:28 AM
Badminton > Pickleball
Their snap backhand overheads take a lot of skill. You also need far better overall quickness and reflexes.
Now 🏓 has an advantage because if you have thwackability, you can put permanent red marks on your opponent. :)
True, but to be fair, everything > pickleball.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2024, 06:19:33 AM
Jeffrey Toobin survived worse than covering up sexual assault of minors for decades?
Centuries.
(Just a minor quibble.)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2024, 08:16:32 AM
She'll probably chock
I'll choke that up to you needing more sleep, Unk.
The pools are rigged against the Americans so i can see it.
I wonder why China isn't as dominant in team sports as they are in individual sports (diving, gymnastics, ping pong, archery etc.)
I realize that Asians tend to be smaller people on average, but they have a billion and a half people to choose from. You would think they could put together a decent soccer or basketball team.
Quote from: warriorchick on July 31, 2024, 09:31:51 AM
I wonder why China isn't as dominant in team sports as they are in individual sports (diving, gymnastics, ping pong, archery etc.)
I realize that Asians tend to be smaller people on average, but they have a billion and a half people to choose from. You would think they could put together a decent soccer or basketball team.
They've pretty much stopped investing in soccer after their initial efforts fell short.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/29/sports/soccer/china-soccer.html
Quote from: warriorchick on July 31, 2024, 09:31:51 AM
I wonder why China isn't as dominant in team sports as they are in individual sports (diving, gymnastics, ping pong, archery etc.)
I realize that Asians tend to be smaller people on average, but they have a billion and a half people to choose from. You would think they could put together a decent soccer or basketball team.
The historic comparison has always been that their culture selected for hyper competitive individual performance more so than unified team performance. I'm not sure I buy that.
I would consider the possibility that it may be easier for a person raised in a culture that defines itself in some ways in opposition to "western" culture to excel at things that don't carry as much cultural weight. Soccer or rugby or basketball might be "western" sports, and thus there is a slight barrier to pursuing them as compared with, for example, shooting.
Just a knee jerk supposition though. Very likely I am wrong.
Quote from: Jockey on July 30, 2024, 09:42:53 PM
My horse has long been dead, but I'm still beating it.
I wish some of these creepy bishops had gotten this mad over the assault of little boys.
Catholics have no right to be outraged.
It's not just that. It's that there are elements of the Catholic Church that have fallen into the victimization trap. With all of the injustice in this world, a possible display of the Last Supper at an Olympics' opening ceremony is what you are focusing on? I know it's a little trite at this point, but what do you think Jesus cares about?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 31, 2024, 09:38:20 AM
It's not just that. It's that there are elements of the Catholic Church that have fallen into the victimization trap. With all of the injustice in this world, a possible display of the Last Supper at an Olympics' opening ceremony is what you are focusing on? I know it's a little trite at this point, but what do you think Jesus cares about?
Jesus, who hung out with prostitutes, tax collectors and others deemed sinners by the religious conservatives of his time, would have been aghast at the sight of dudes dressed as women for performance.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2024, 09:41:02 AM
Jesus, who hung out with prostitutes, tax collectors and others deemed sinners by the religious conservatives of his time, would have been aghast at the sight of dudes dressed as women for performance.
*a performance of a reenactment of a painting created about 1500 years after he was dead
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 31, 2024, 09:43:01 AM
*a performance of a reenactment of a painting created about 1500 years after he was dead
Which it wasn't anyway, according to the creator. Unless the blue guy was Jesus. To pretend that it was the last supper, we have to ignore all the elements that tie it to Greece...but ignoring facts and reality in order to spur outrage is what these people excel at.
Can we please change the summer Olympic cycle so that it's no longer an election year?
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Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 31, 2024, 09:43:01 AM
*a performance of a reenactment of a painting created about 1500 years after he was dead
He would have been aghast that he was portrayed as a blue-eyed blonde in all the Renaissance art.
There's a lot of interesting material about the inherently syncretic nature of the evolution of organized Christianity and Catholic imagery in particular that could be investigated if one were interested in engaging with *why* a depiction of a Feast of Bacchus might bear a passing resemblance to a depiction of the Last Supper...
but I'm fairly certain those upset by what they saw are more interested in being upset than they are in... well anything else really.
Quote from: MU82 on July 31, 2024, 08:50:41 AM
I'll choke that up to you needing more sleep, Unk.
Spelling is for cucks
Quote from: jficke13 on July 31, 2024, 09:35:56 AM
The historic comparison has always been that their culture selected for hyper competitive individual performance more so than unified team performance. I'm not sure I buy that.
I would consider the possibility that it may be easier for a person raised in a culture that defines itself in some ways in opposition to "western" culture to excel at things that don't carry as much cultural weight. Soccer or rugby or basketball might be "western" sports, and thus there is a slight barrier to pursuing them as compared with, for example, shooting.
Just a knee jerk supposition though. Very likely I am wrong.
I wonder if medal count has to do with it. Why devote your resources to a sport that needs 10+ athletes to win one medal where one gymnast or swimmer can win five or six?
I would love to see a version of the medal count that shows the actual number of medals that were given out - tennis doubles is two medals, team gymnastics is 5 medals, etc.
Quote from: warriorchick on July 31, 2024, 09:31:51 AM
I wonder why China isn't as dominant in team sports as they are in individual sports (diving, gymnastics, ping pong, archery etc.)
I realize that Asians tend to be smaller people on average, but they have a billion and a half people to choose from. You would think they could put together a decent soccer or basketball team.
I wonder the same about India with its billions of people. One of my advisors in grad school is from India, and according to him, the best athletes only want to play cricket.
The Chinese women's soccer team in 1999 was pretty damn good....we had to go to PKs on our home soil to beat them in the final game...whcih of course led to Brandi Chastain's iconic celebration.
Quote from: warriorchick on July 31, 2024, 10:04:58 AM
I wonder if medal count has to do with it. Why devote your resources to a sport that needs 10+ athletes to win one medal where one gymnast or swimmer can win five or six?
I would love to see a version of the medal count that shows the actual number of medals that were given out - tennis doubles is two medals, team gymnastics is 5 medals, etc.
How many would basketball be?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 10:09:40 AM
I wonder the same about India with its billions of people. One of my advisors from grad school is from India, and according to him, the best athletes only want to play cricket.
The Chinese women's soccer team in 1999 was pretty damn good....we had to go to PKs on our home soil to beat them in the final game...whcih of course led to Brandi Chastain's iconic celebration.
I quoted myself on accident!
Quote from: warriorchick on July 31, 2024, 10:04:58 AM
I wonder if medal count has to do with it. Why devote your resources to a sport that needs 10+ athletes to win one medal where one gymnast or swimmer can win five or six?
I would love to see a version of the medal count that shows the actual number of medals that were given out - tennis doubles is two medals, team gymnastics is 5 medals, etc.
This really could be it. It's sparking vague memories of there being like an organized objective or structured target toward jacking up the medal count in the runup to the 2008 Bejing games where China tried to find the sports where the odds of hunting golds/medals would be more likely to be successful. It's hard to go from nothing to a gold in Basketball, but hell you take enough bodies and hammer them in a niche individual sport like one of the shooting sports and maybe your odds of success are way higher.
I can't specifically put my finger on it though, so maybe I'm remembering rumors and supposition more than an actual CCP-sponsored objective to increase its soft power via exhibiting it had "arrived" on the world superpower stage via medal count in addition to just the overaarching spectacle of the games that year.
Quote from: jficke13 on July 31, 2024, 10:15:48 AM
This really could be it. It's sparking vague memories of there being like an organized objective or structured target toward jacking up the medal count in the runup to the 2008 Bejing games where China tried to find the sports where the odds of hunting golds/medals would be more likely to be successful. It's hard to go from nothing to a gold in Basketball, but hell you take enough bodies and hammer them in a niche individual sport like one of the shooting sports and maybe your odds of success are way higher.
I can't specifically put my finger on it though, so maybe I'm remembering rumors and supposition more than an actual CCP-sponsored objective to increase its soft power via exhibiting it had "arrived" on the world superpower stage via medal count in addition to just the overaarching spectacle of the games that year.
Eastern Bloc did this for decades
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 31, 2024, 10:11:52 AM
How many would basketball be?
However many athletes are on the roster. I am guessing there is a limit to the number you can have, just as in other Olympic sports teams.
That USA Serbia womens volleyball game was a lot of fun. Can't believe the US pulled it out
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 31, 2024, 01:06:16 PM
That USA Serbia womens volleyball game was a lot of fun. Can't believe the US pulled it out
Crazy match. Couldn't believe their coach pulled Boskovic in the middle of that 5th set.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 31, 2024, 01:50:28 PM
Crazy match. Couldn't believe their coach pulled Boskovic in the middle of that 5th set.
I was stumped by that too. The US had no answer for her. Only thing i can think of is a minor injury that needed to be checked out
I think Shayok on South Sudan is a former MU target.
USWNT holds on against the Matildas.
Tatum with the pity start just makes Kerr look weak
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 31, 2024, 02:06:01 PM
I was stumped by that too. The US had no answer for her. Only thing i can think of is a minor injury that needed to be checked out
They did it to get a bigger block in the front row for the US's serve receive (their setter was only 6' and 39 years old, so that's a target for the US to expose), but I'd take my chances that I can get a dig and just chuck the ball up to Boskovic in transition. The setter's blocking wasn't really an issue/overly exposed throughout the match. The coach just overthought it big time in my opinion.
A rare gold for US in the swimming pool
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 31, 2024, 02:26:43 PM
Tatum with the pity start just makes Kerr look weak
He did what???
You're spot-on. Inexcusably weak.
Embiid hasn't played. Maybe, just maybe, after the last South Sudan game, an adjustment was made to bit more perimeter speed on the floor.
Quote from: tower912 on July 31, 2024, 02:59:14 PM
Embiid hasn't played. Maybe, just maybe, after the last South Sudan game, an adjustment was made to bit more perimeter speed on the floor.
I doubt it. Kerr is woke
Getting interesting.
Korbin Albert's first USWNT & Olympic goal was lit.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 03:18:00 PM
Korbin Albert's first USWNT & Olympic goal was lit.
Still shocked she was allowed to stay on the team. Personal views aside, posting publicly about your joy of a (polarizing) player's injury on the team you're trying to join should be a deal breaker.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 31, 2024, 02:55:59 PM
He did what???
You're spot-on. Inexcusably weak.
It's group stage. They switched the lineup. They have one more game to figure combos out before knockouts. This isn't that hard. Haliburton didn't play last game and he's in there today. Is Kerr weak for playing him?
If he's still switching the lineups incessantly next week, then I'll agree.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 31, 2024, 03:22:12 PM
Still shocked she was allowed to stay on the team. Personal views aside, posting publicly about your joy of a (polarizing) player's injury on the team you're trying to join should be a deal breaker.
She definitely shouldn't have done that, but that is a harsh price to pay for a 20 year old who just liked a post. Esepcially when people in other sports can literally stab someone to death and not only keep their football job instead of going to jail, but also be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Or have camera evidence that they beat the crap out of a woman on an elevator and get a second chance in a new city. Rapinoe is a known bully and twice Albert's age. She could have handled the controversy in a more dignified way. It seems like Korbin is remorseful and has "learned her lesson" regarding how to behave on social media.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 03:47:17 PM
She definitely shouldn't have done that, but that is a harsh price to pay for a 20 year old who just liked a post. Esepcially when people in other sports can literally stab someone to death and not only keep their football job instead of going to jail, but also be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Or have camera evidence that they beat the crap out of a woman on an elevator and get a second chance in a new city. Rapinoe is a known bully and twice Albert's age. She could have handled the controversy in a more dignified way. It seems like Korbin is remorseful and has "learned her lesson" regarding how to behave on social media.
1. Ray Lewis didn't stab anyone. He's never been accused of stabbing anyone.
2. Wild that you would cast Rapinoe as the villain here. Someone mocked her suffering an injury, and she's the one who acted undignified? Yikes! Pray tell, what did she do that was undignified?
Quote from: BM1090 on July 31, 2024, 03:37:40 PM
It's group stage. They switched the lineup. They have one more game to figure combos out before knockouts. This isn't that hard. Haliburton didn't play last game and he's in there today. Is Kerr weak for playing him?
If he's still switching the lineups incessantly next week, then I'll agree.
I'm anti tweaking at this point. Although I see Curry played abysmally today. I'm also pro domination and keeping the foot on the gas. It's okay to go 10 deep with our talent but find the best combinations, attack relentlessly, and take no prisoners.
Ledecky only won by 10 secs??? :)
Wow, Leon Marchand is incredible. Behind to the record-holder almost the entire 200M butterfly, Marchand has an amazing final turn and then just rockets past everybody to win.
Quote from: MU82 on July 31, 2024, 04:15:48 PM
Wow, Leon Marchand is incredible. Behind to the record-holder almost the entire 200M butterfly, Marchand has an amazing final turn and then just rockets past everybody to win.
There is an interesting factoid that the "slow pool" is causing those at the front to tire, because this stat is pretty incredble.
https://x.com/RykNeethling/status/1818684883612373424
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2024, 03:58:39 PM
1. Ray Lewis didn't stab anyone. He's never been accused of stabbing anyone.
2. Wild that you would cast Rapinoe as the villain here. Someone mocked her suffering an injury, and she's the one who acted undignified? Yikes! Pray tell, what did she do that was undignified?
1. He was charged for double murder. The charges were dropped. But he was definitely accused and charged. There is still mystery surrounding the incident and still accusations that he was involved.
2. Rapinoe (38) launched a character assault on Albert (20) because Albert reposted some content on her social media (TikTok) that Megan did not agree with. It's always "tolerate, accept, and include" unless your personal opinions fall outside what pop culture says they should be, there actually is no room to include, tolerate, or accept different opinoins. Instead it's "villify and isolate," which is what Rapinoe did by making a public show over something that could have been addressed privately behind closed doors.
It's better to have an open dialogue with someone and try to win them over with words and actions than to bully them, make them feel small...they're never going to be open to your way of thinking if you do that. People on this board do this to anyone who expresses even a slightly conservative viewpoint and/or Catholic belief.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 04:30:19 PM
1. He was charged for double murder. The charges were dropped. But he was definitely accused and charged. There is still mystery surrounding the incident and still accusations that he was involved.
2. Rapinoe (38) launched a character assault on Albert (20) because Albert reposted some content on her social media (TikTok) that Megan did not agree with. It's always "tolerate, accept, and include" unless your personal opinions fall outside what pop culture says they should be, there actually is no room to include, tolerate, or accept different opinoins. Instead it's "villify and isolate," which is what Rapinoe did by making a public show over something that could have been addressed privately behind closed doors. I bet she feels an immense sense of accomplishment every time Albert steps on the pitch in and is booed by fellow Americans....all because Albert is different from her.
It's better to have an open dialogue with someone and try to win them over with words and actions than to bully them, make them feel small...they're never going to be open to your way of thinking if you do that. People on this board do this to anyone who expresses even a slightly conservative viewpoint and/or Catholic belief.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 03:47:17 PM
She definitely shouldn't have done that, but that is a harsh price to pay for a 20 year old who just liked a post. Esepcially when people in other sports can literally stab someone to death and not only keep their football job instead of going to jail, but also be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Or have camera evidence that they beat the crap out of a woman on an elevator and get a second chance in a new city. Rapinoe is a known bully and twice Albert's age. She could have handled the controversy in a more dignified way. It seems like Korbin is remorseful and has "learned her lesson" regarding how to behave on social media.
Playing in a private sports league is vastly different than supporting your country. The NFL's own disgusting standard for holding players accountable is different.
you're right she only liked the post but let's not forget she also reposted things that are objectionable to plenty of players she wished to be teammates with. Ask yourself if Jade Carey posted something anti Black or Asian people would she have made the US Olympic team? Color me skeptical.
Rapinoe being a known bully is sort of a non starter here. Jimmy Butler's a known bully, if Jamal Cain posted gleefully when Butler gets injured do you think he gets a call up to the team?
Also saying she's remorseful is kind of a joke, that statement she released looked like a copy and paste statement from an entry level hire at a PR firm.
Really the only thing I agree with is whether it's a steep price for a 20yr old. And in my opinion she should've been cut this year, not banned from all Olympics forever.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 04:30:19 PM
1. He was charged for double murder. The charges were dropped. But he was definitely accused and charged. There is still mystery surrounding the incident and still accusations that he was involved.
2. Rapinoe (38) launched a character assault on Albert (20) because Albert reposted some content on her social media (TikTok) that Megan did not agree with. It's always "tolerate, accept, and include" unless your personal opinions fall outside what pop culture says they should be, there actually is no room to include, tolerate, or accept different opinoins. Instead it's "villify and isolate," which is what Rapinoe did by making a public show over something that could have been addressed privately behind closed doors.
It's better to have an open dialogue with someone and try to win them over with words and actions than to bully them, make them feel small...they're never going to be open to your way of thinking if you do that. People on this board do this to anyone who expresses even a slightly conservative viewpoint and/or Catholic belief.
That's because those beliefs are stupid.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 04:30:19 PM
1. He was charged for double murder. The charges were dropped. But he was definitely accused and charged. There is still mystery surrounding the incident and still accusations that he was involved.
2. Rapinoe (38) launched a character assault on Albert (20) because Albert reposted some content on her social media (TikTok) that Megan did not agree with. It's always "tolerate, accept, and include" unless your personal opinions fall outside what pop culture says they should be, there actually is no room to include, tolerate, or accept different opinoins. Instead it's "villify and isolate," which is what Rapinoe did by making a public show over something that could have been addressed privately behind closed doors.
It's better to have an open dialogue with someone and try to win them over with words and actions than to bully them, make them feel small...they're never going to be open to your way of thinking if you do that. People on this board do this to anyone who expresses even a slightly conservative viewpoint and/or Catholic belief.
LOLLLLLLL
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 31, 2024, 04:23:15 PM
There is an interesting factoid that the "slow pool" is causing those at the front to tire, because this stat is pretty incredble.
https://x.com/RykNeethling/status/1818684883612373424
Oh, I thought the 'slow pool' was just a group of posters here on scoop.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 04:32:45 PM
1. He was charged for double murder. The charges were dropped. But he was definitely accused and charged. There is still mystery surrounding the incident and still accusations that he was involved.
2. Rapinoe (38) launched a character assault on Albert (20) because Albert reposted some content on her social media (TikTok) that Megan did not agree with. It's always "tolerate, accept, and include" unless your personal opinions fall outside what pop culture says they should be, there actually is no room to include, tolerate, or accept different opinoins. Instead it's "villify and isolate," which is what Rapinoe did by making a public show over something that could have been addressed privately behind closed doors. I bet she feels an immense sense of accomplishment every time Albert steps on the pitch in and is booed by fellow Americans....all because Albert is different from her.
It's better to have an open dialogue with someone and try to win them over with words and actions than to bully them, make them feel small...they're never going to be open to your way of thinking if you do that. People on this board do this to anyone who expresses even a slightly conservative viewpoint and/or Catholic belief.
Holy crap.
This is what your argument amounts to, "you might be or who you innately are but if I make the decision to hate you then you're the jerk/bully if you call me out" the thing with the tolerance paradox is one is a choice one isn't.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 31, 2024, 04:33:28 PM
Playing in a private sports league is vastly different than supporting your country. The NFL's own disgusting standard for holding players accountable is different.
you're right she only liked the post but let's not forget she also reposted things that are objectionable to plenty of players she wished to be teammates with. Ask yourself if Jade Carey posted something anti Black or Asian people would she have made the US Olympic team? Color me skeptical.
Rapinoe being a known bully is sort of a non starter here. Jimmy Butler's a known bully, if Jamal Cain posted gleefully when Butler gets injured do you think he gets a call up to the team?
Also saying she's remorseful is kind of a joke, that statement she released looked like a copy and paste statement from an entry level hire at a PR firm.
Really the only thing I agree with is whether it's a steep price for a 20yr old. And in my opinion she should've been cut this year, not banned from all Olympics forever.
Those are mostly fair points. Still not sure I would cut her over it if I were the coach.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 31, 2024, 04:45:06 PM
Holy crap.
This is what your argument amounts to, "you might be or who you innately are but if I make the decision to hate you then you're the jerk/bully if you call me out"
Nope. That's not what I wrote. Try again.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 04:30:19 PM
1. He was charged for double murder. The charges were dropped. But he was definitely accused and charged. There is still mystery surrounding the incident and still accusations that he was involved.
Feels like goalpost shifting.
He was charged with murder because it was believed he was involved in the fight that led to the stabbings. He was
never alleged to have stabbed anyone. The
prosecution literally said this.
And ultimately, the evidence failed to show that he was even involved in the fight.
All of this is public record.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/opening-statements-begin-in-lewis-murder-trial-1.250041
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2. Rapinoe (38) launched a character assault on Albert (20) because Albert reposted some content on her social media (TikTok) that Megan did not agree with. It's always "tolerate, accept, and include" unless your personal opinions fall outside what pop culture says they should be, there actually is no room to include, tolerate, or accept different opinoins. Instead it's "villify and isolate," which is what Rapinoe did by making a public show over something that could have been addressed privately behind closed doors.
Character assault? Good Lord.
Rapinoe didn't need to assault Albert's character. Albert's character already was revealed.
This is what Rapinoe wrote:
"To the people who want to hide behind 'my beliefs' I would just ask one question, are you making any time of space safer, more inclusive, more whole, any semblance of better, bringing the best out of anyone?" Because if you aren't, all you believe in is hate. And Kids are literally killing themselves because of this hate. Wake TF up! Yours Truly, #15."
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It's better to have an open dialogue with someone and try to win them over with words and actions than to bully them, make them feel small...they're never going to be open to your way of thinking if you do that. People on this board do this to anyone who expresses even a slightly conservative viewpoint and/or Catholic belief.
You actually think it's incumbent upon the person who was wronged here to make the perpetrator a better person? And, if they choose otherwise, they're the bad guy and the perp is the victim?
Gross.
Ah there's the jutaw22 we all know. Wondering when that would emerge.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 04:47:52 PM
Nope. That's not what I wrote. Try again.
It is
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 04:32:45 PM
2. Rapinoe (38) launched a character assault on Albert (20) because Albert reposted some content on her social media (TikTok) that Megan did not agree with.
Rapinoe responded to Albert's anti LGBTQ+ reposting.
Summary: innately gay person calls out person choosing to hate people for being innately who they are.
Different wording of summary: you might be or who you innately are (gay person) but if I make the decision to hate you (pick and choose conservative/christian beliefs) then you're the jerk/bully if you call me out (rapinoe's response)
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 04:32:45 PM
It's always "tolerate, accept, and include" unless your personal opinions fall outside what pop culture says they should be, there actually is no room to include, tolerate, or accept different opinoins.
This ignores that one is an unprovoked attack on one's innate self while the other is a choice to make an unprovoked attack.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 04:32:45 PMI bet she feels an immense sense of accomplishment every time Albert steps on the pitch in and is booed by fellow Americans....all because Albert is different from her.
Similar to someone who publicly liked the celebration of an injury because she was "different from her"
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 04:32:45 PMIt's better to have an open dialogue with someone and try to win them over with words and actions than to bully them, make them feel small...they're never going to be open to your way of thinking if you do that.
I agree with the larger sentiment here but this again ignores which side is under attack. You're advocating for turn the other cheek, but ironically the person who you're saying should turn the other cheek is the same one being attacked by the people who believe in the guy who said it.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 04:32:45 PMPeople on this board do this to anyone who expresses even a slightly conservative viewpoint and/or Catholic belief.
Again what your sexual urges are not a choice. Deciding which fundamentalist Christian or conservative beliefs you adhere to are. If you're making the choice to adhere to a hateful one against those that don't have a choice then you don't deserve "tolerance"
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 04:30:19 PM
1. He was charged for double murder. The charges were dropped. But he was definitely accused and charged. There is still mystery surrounding the incident and still accusations that he was involved.
2. Rapinoe (38) launched a character assault on Albert (20) because Albert reposted some content on her social media (TikTok) that Megan did not agree with. It's always "tolerate, accept, and include" unless your personal opinions fall outside what pop culture says they should be, there actually is no room to include, tolerate, or accept different opinoins. Instead it's "villify and isolate," which is what Rapinoe did by making a public show over something that could have been addressed privately behind closed doors.
It's better to have an open dialogue with someone and try to win them over with words and actions than to bully them, make them feel small...they're never going to be open to your way of thinking if you do that. People on this board do this to anyone who expresses even a slightly conservative viewpoint and/or Catholic belief.
What Catholic belief did you express? Because what Albert retweeted wasn't consistent with any Catholic beliefs that I am aware of.
We're 7th in Gold Medals?? WTF? Rico is correct, totally unacceptable.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 31, 2024, 06:25:08 PM
What Catholic belief did you express? Because what Albert retweeted wasn't consistent with any Catholic beliefs that I am aware of.
I havent expressed any Catholic beliefs in this thread. But I did see some anti-Catholic BS being tossed around by a few folks.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 31, 2024, 07:13:47 PM
We're 7th in Gold Medals?? WTF? Rico is correct, totally unacceptable.
As of tonight the US has won 1 more gold in swimming (3) than in fencing (2)!
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2024, 04:56:58 PM
You actually think it's incumbent upon the person who was wronged here to make the perpetrator a better person? And, if they choose otherwise, they're the bad guy and the perp is the victim?
Gross.
Yes, because that is what I personally do. I always make an effort to address things privately with a conversation rather than to escalate make a public show of it, esepcially when peoples careers are invovled.
Also, I shouldn't have to explain this to, especially to fellow Catholics, but it is possible to have Christian beliefs about homosexuality without hating gay people.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 07:51:20 PM
Yes, because that is what I personally do. I always make an effort to address things privately with a conversation rather than to escalate and make a public show of it, esepcially when peoples careers are invovled.
Also, I shouldn't have to explain this, especially to fellow Catholics, but it is possible to have Christian beliefs about homosexuality without hating gay people.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 07:51:20 PM
Yes, because that is what I personally do. I always make an effort to address things privately with a conversation rather than to escalate make a public show of it, esepcially when peoples careers are invovled.
Also, I shouldn't have to explain this to, especially to fellow Catholics, but it is possible to have Christian beliefs about homosexuality without hating gay people.
What are "Christian beliefs about homosexuality?"
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 08:11:51 PM
Look them up.
I mean, my Christian church allows same sex marriage and employs homosexual pastors. Ones that actually can screw around within the bounds of a consensual relationship.
However I don't think that's what you mean.
Quote from: MU1in77 on July 31, 2024, 07:48:11 PM
As of tonight the US has won 1 more gold in swimming (3) than in fencing (2)!
WTF '77?? Are we getting distracted by the Parisian cafés?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 31, 2024, 07:58:14 PM
What are "Christian beliefs about homosexuality?"
"I don't mind if they're gay I just don't like that they're all in my face about it (existing)"
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on July 31, 2024, 09:00:02 PM
"I don't mind if they're gay I just don't like that they're all in my face about it (existing)"
I just wish they wouldn't shove their sexuality down my throat. It's like, they really need to hammer it home. We shouldn't have to bend over to appease them and their lifestyle.
Look, I'm fine if someone is gay, as long as they keep their strong and sensuous hands to themselves.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2024, 09:20:48 PM
I just wish they wouldn't shove their sexuality down my throat. It's like, they really need to hammer it home. We shouldn't have to bend over to appease them and their lifestyle.
Look, I'm fine if someone is gay, as long as they keep their strong and sensuous hands to themselves.
https://www.theonion.com/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock-1819583529
Quote from: jutaw22mu on July 31, 2024, 08:11:51 PM
Look them up.
They're the same as getting tattoos, wearing multiple types of fabric, or eating shellfish.
Funny how they're not treated the same by people who just want to be bigots.
Quote from: MU1in77 on July 31, 2024, 07:48:11 PM
As of tonight the US has won 1 more gold in swimming (3) than in fencing (2)!
Women's foil team is in the semis, facing Canada, in an hour or so. A win in that match clinch's a medal. A loss and they would still have the bronze medal match...
So fencing may tie swimming in medals by noon today central time.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 01, 2024, 06:25:46 AM
Women's foil team is in the semis, facing Canada, in an hour or so. A win in that match clinch's a medal. A loss and they would still have the bronze medal match...
So fencing may tie swimming in medals by noon today central time.
To quote Jaybee
#Lies
In other news, the IOC for some reason is allowing two people with XY chromosomes to compete in women's boxing, even though the IBA has banned them from fighting in women's events. The biological woman that one of the boxers was matched up with today lasted 46 seconds before tapping out. Gotta love the IOC's commitment to fairness and safety for its female (XX) athletes.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/aug/01/angela-carini-abandons-fight-after-46-seconds-against-imane-khelif
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 08:32:43 AM
In other news, the IOC for some reason is allowing two people with XY chromosomes to compete in women's boxing, even though the IBA has banned them from fighting in women's events. The biological woman that one of the boxers was matched up with today lasted 46 seconds before tapping out. Gotta love the IOC's commitment to fairness and safety for its female (XX) athletes.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/aug/01/angela-carini-abandons-fight-after-46-seconds-against-imane-khelif
The IOC actually did something right. Good for them.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 01, 2024, 09:30:59 AM
The IOC actually did something right. Good for them.
Yep. And the IOC is overseeing boxing at the Olympics because the IBA has a reputation for poor governance. Thank about THAT for a second.
And we all know that jutaw's primary concern here isn't the integrity of female sports competitions. And I will leave it at that.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 08:32:43 AM
In other news, the IOC for some reason is allowing two people with XY chromosomes to compete in women's boxing, even though the IBA has banned them from fighting in women's events. The biological woman that one of the boxers was matched up with today lasted 46 seconds before tapping out. Gotta love the IOC's commitment to fairness and safety for its female (XX) athletes.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/aug/01/angela-carini-abandons-fight-after-46-seconds-against-imane-khelif
Fun fact: "Biological" women can have XY chromosomes.
Is it your proposal that these women be banned from sports because of an accident of birth?
Also, fun fact: Men can be born with XX chromosomes.
Should these men compete against women?
Person born as woman, who has lost to other women in the past including in the world championships, gets vilified because she has high testosterone levels.
I don't know about the other person's situation but Khelif's story is pretty cut and dry and she's not getting past Harrington either way.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 01, 2024, 09:41:47 AM
Fun fact: "Biological" women can have XY chromosomes.
Is it your proposal that these women be banned from sports because of an accident of birth?
Also, fun fact: Men can be born with XX chromosomes.
Should these men compete against women?
"Stop making people choose to be trans!" But also "people who are born with the wrong chromosomes need gender reassignment surgery to fit their chromosome's usual gender"
https://time.com/7006338/imane-khelif-lin-yu-ting-gender-controversy-olympics-women-boxing/
Sorry, I'll include the important bits:
Quote"Everyone competing in the women's category is participating, following, complying with the competition eligibility rules," IOC spokesperson Mark Adams said during a press conference on Tuesday. "These athletes have competed many times before for many years—they haven't just suddenly arrived."
QuoteHowever, the Russian-led IBA, which has long faced questions about integrity and concerns about governance, does not oversee Olympic qualification. For the 2024 Summer Games, the International Olympic Committee (IOC), does, and it has repeatedly affirmed Khelif's and Lin's eligibility.
QuoteFor her part, Khelif, who became a UNICEF ambassador earlier this year, has said she is most proud of her ability to overcome obstacles, including finding success in a sport that her father didn't approve of girls participating in. "My dream is to win a gold medal," she said in March. "I particularly want to inspire girls."
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 01, 2024, 06:34:43 AM
To quote Jaybee
#Lies
I haven't ... dipped... into today's swimming results, but Women's Foil is in the gold medal match today at 1:30, so they've clinched at least a silver. So, fencing's up to at least 3 medals for the Paris games.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 01, 2024, 10:50:05 AM
I haven't ... dipped... into today's swimming results, but Women's Foil is in the gold medal match today at 1:30, so they've clinched at least a silver. So, fencing's up to at least 3 medals for the Paris games.
Swimming has many more than 3 medals.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 01, 2024, 10:50:05 AM
I haven't ... dipped... into today's swimming results, but Women's Foil is in the gold medal match today at 1:30, so they've clinched at least a silver. So, fencing's up to at least 3 medals for the Paris games.
Ledecky has two medals on her own, and I'd be shocked if she doesn't get at least two more.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 01, 2024, 10:56:56 AM
Ledecky has two medals on her own, and I'd be shocked if she doesn't get at least two more.
ah, I guess my mistake was taking Muggsy's "swimming only has 3 medals" as though it were true. Classic whoopsiedoops.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 01, 2024, 09:35:06 AM
Yep. And the IOC is overseeing boxing at the Olympics because the IBA has a reputation for poor governance. Thank about THAT for a second.
And we all know that jutaw's primary concern here isn't the integrity of female sports competitions. And I will leave it at that.
Oh then tell me what my primary concern is. Because it actually is the integrity of women's athletics.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 11:20:05 AM
Oh then tell me what my primary concern is. Because it actually is the integrity of women's athletics.
But this isn't about that.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 11:20:05 AM
Oh then tell me what my primary concern is. Because it actually is the integrity of women's athletics.
Without looking, can you name me three women's boxing participants?
I'm going to guess no. So no, you don't actually care about the integrity of it, you just care about the outrage that is being manufactured.
At least be honest with yourself if you're not going to be honest with the rest of us.
Sorry to report that my cousin's daughter did not medal. Looks like an end of a very good career for her.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 01, 2024, 11:38:39 AM
Without looking, can you name me three women's boxing participants?
I'm going to guess no. So no, you don't actually care about the integrity of it, you just care about the outrage that is being manufactured.
At least be honest with yourself if you're not going to be honest with the rest of us.
Bingo.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 11:20:05 AM
Oh then tell me what my primary concern is. Because it actually is the integrity of women's athletics.
Serious question...
How do these women boxers - and to be clear, these are cis women, not transgender women - harm the integrity of women's athletics?
Quote from: Goose on August 01, 2024, 11:42:20 AM
Sorry to report that my cousin's daughter did not medal. Looks like an end of a very good career for her.
So glad she was able to be in the Olympics, Goose. That alone is a
huge accomplishment. And I believe your "cousin's daughter"=your 2nd cousin, right?
Snoop
Yes, my second cousin.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 01, 2024, 11:51:42 AM
So glad she was able to be in the Olympics, Goose. That alone is a huge accomplishment. And I believe your "cousin's daughter"=your 2nd cousin, right?
Agreed, that is a heck of an accomplishment and something to be very proud of.
Which sport, Goose
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 01, 2024, 11:38:39 AM
Without looking, can you name me three women's boxing participants?
I'm going to guess no. So no, you don't actually care about the integrity of it, you just care about the outrage that is being manufactured.
At least be honest with yourself if you're not going to be honest with the rest of us.
This is an interesting take. Regardless of whether I can name 3 women's boxing participants in an event that happens every 4 years (I can by the way), I can still express my concern as both a woman, a coach, and a feminist on the general state of women's athletics. Like it or not, men and women are biologically very different, which is why women's sports were created in the first place. I'm not going to elaborate any more; I know all you dudes are totally okay with women losing out on their opportunities to compete and perform in women's events, so that non-biological women can feel some kind of validation, so there is no reason open up that Pandora's box.
Quote from: Goose on August 01, 2024, 11:42:20 AM
Sorry to report that my cousin's daughter did not medal. Looks like an end of a very good career for her.
Sorry that she did not medal, but pretty cool feather in the cap to say she was an Olympian. Did the rowing occur on the Seine? I'm curious if you have heard from her at all regarding the living conditions...are the beds really cardboard boxes?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 12:14:17 PM
This is an interesting take. Regardless of whether I can name 3 women's boxing participants in an event that happens every 4 years (I can by the way), I can still express my concern as both a woman, a coach, and a feminist on the general state of women's athletics. Like it or not, men and women are biologically very different, which is why women's sports were created in the first place. I'm not going to elaborate any more; I know all you dudes are totally okay with women losing out on their opportunities to compete and perform in women's events, so that non-biological women can feel some kind of validation, so there is no reason open up that Pandora's box.
"Let's not open up that Pandora's box." After you have repeatedly done so on this board.
Anyway, sorry you get called out for passing along exaggerated and wrong information.
22MU
I believe the events were on the Seine. Other than updates on her performance, I have only received drinking/bar updates. I believe they are heading to Serbia this weekend to cause trouble in another country.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 12:14:17 PM
This is an interesting take. Regardless of whether I can name 3 women's boxing participants in an event that happens every 4 years (I can by the way), I can still express my concern as both a woman, a coach, and a feminist on the general state of women's athletics. Like it or not, men and women are biologically very different, which is why women's sports were created in the first place. I'm not going to elaborate any more; I know all you dudes are totally okay with women losing out on their opportunities to compete and perform in women's events, so that non-biological women can feel some kind of validation, so there is no reason open up that Pandora's box.
Can you really call yourself a feminist when you've argued that the thousands of women born every year with XY chromosomes aren't really women? What are they then?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 12:14:17 PM
This is an interesting take. Regardless of whether I can name 3 women's boxing participants in an event that happens every 4 years (I can by the way), I can still express my concern as both a woman, a coach, and a feminist on the general state of women's athletics. Like it or not, men and women are biologically very different, which is why women's sports were created in the first place. I'm not going to elaborate any more; I know all you dudes are totally okay with women losing out on their opportunities to compete and perform in women's events, so that non-biological women can feel some kind of validation, so there is no reason open up that Pandora's box.
I understand the difference between men and women. The issue at hand is that the standards that the IBA's standards are their own, and have been the only organization (that I'm aware of) to bar these women. Insinuating that these women, who have only ever competed as women and have only ever been recognized as women for their entire lives are somehow not, in fact, women is objectively not feminist.
It isn't even as if either of the two women who have been singled out are even remotely dominant (as you, and many others seem to imply that they're dangerous) in boxing. Honestly, what is happening to them is nothing short of bullying for being more masculine presenting. Similar to the hate that is being thrown at Ilona Maher of the American Rugby team.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 01, 2024, 12:46:03 PM
It isn't even as if either of the two women who have been singled out are even remotely dominant (as you, and many others seem to imply that they're dangerous) in boxing.
That probably depends on what you call dominant, I mean she's not Harrington or Taylor but a continental championship, a silver medal in world championships, and a gold in the Mediterranean championships. That's better than 99% of boxers out there.
Just to clarify I'm not defending Jutaw22's argument that people born as women who compete as women shouldn't be allowed to participate, only that Imane is a pretty dominant force.
Goose, big congrats to your cousin for getting to the Olympics.👏 huge accomplishment in its own right.
I am sure you are looking forward to all the stories.
Damn Simone just stepped up big time there.
GOAT!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 31, 2024, 09:39:33 PM
https://www.theonion.com/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock-1819583529
That article makes me laugh everytime I see it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 01, 2024, 12:46:03 PM
I understand the difference between men and women. The issue at hand is that the standards that the IBA's standards are their own, and have been the only organization (that I'm aware of) to bar these women. Insinuating that these women, who have only ever competed as women and have only ever been recognized as women for their entire lives are somehow not, in fact, women is objectively not feminist.
It isn't even as if either of the two women who have been singled out are even remotely dominant (as you, and many others seem to imply that they're dangerous) in boxing. Honestly, what is happening to them is nothing short of bullying for being more masculine presenting. Similar to the hate that is being thrown at Ilona Maher of the American Rugby team.
They should box in dresses so they look more feminine
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 12:14:17 PM
This is an interesting take. Regardless of whether I can name 3 women's boxing participants in an event that happens every 4 years (I can by the way), I can still express my concern as both a woman, a coach, and a feminist on the general state of women's athletics. Like it or not, men and women are biologically very different, which is why women's sports were created in the first place. I'm not going to elaborate any more; I know all you dudes are totally okay with women losing out on their opportunities to compete and perform in women's events, so that non-biological women can feel some kind of validation, so there is no reason open up that Pandora's box.
Jutwa, I'm honestly trying to understand, did you assume that these two women were trans women and not realize that they were cis women with typically male chrimosomes? Or is your position that cis women born with typically male chromosomes (such as women born with Swyer syndrome) are not women?
Quote from: wadesworld on August 01, 2024, 01:27:43 PM
Damn Simone just stepped up big time there.
Suni getting bronze is just as impressive considering the road back she's had to endure.
But Simone is undoubtedly the GOAT.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 01, 2024, 01:27:43 PM
Damn Simone just stepped up big time there.
Excellent. When exactly did she drop the 🔨 ? On what event? Ty. She wasn't close to 100% from the little I saw.
Quote from: Goose on August 01, 2024, 11:42:20 AM
Sorry to report that my cousin's daughter did not medal. Looks like an end of a very good career for her.
She did a heck of a job Goose. Hopefully she can now relax and enjoy her Euro travels.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2024, 02:18:20 PM
Excellent. When exactly did she drop the 🔨 ? On what event? Ty. She wasn't close to 100% from the little I saw.
Basically, she just climbed out of the hole she was in after the 2nd rotation. She did well on beam and killed it on floor.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 01, 2024, 02:24:49 PM
Basically, she just climbed out of the hole she was in after the 2nd rotation. She did well on beam and killed it on floor.
Oh....so she was losing early in the event? She tends to dominate the floor. So like at 80% she's apparently still better than everyone. I wonder if she'll compete in 2028?
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2024, 02:18:20 PM
Excellent. When exactly did she drop the 🔨 ? On what event? Ty. She wasn't close to 100% from the little I saw.
her score through two rounds was only slightly lower than expected. She dominated vault (1st event) and had a small miscue on Bars (2nd event) which is by far her weakest event. It wasn't really a big surprise that she wasn't in 1st after the halfway point. All she had to do was hit her last two routines (no major mistakes) and she was expected to win. She nailed them and she won. Suni was the bigger story with all she's been through.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2024, 02:29:11 PM
Oh....so she was losing early in the event? She tends to dominate the floor. So like at 80% she's apparently still better than everyone. I wonder if she'll compete in 2028?
did you even watch? Floor was the final rotation. All she had to do was not fall over and she was going to win gold.
I haven't heard or read anywhere that she's not at 100%.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on August 01, 2024, 02:32:45 PM
did you even watch? Floor was the final rotation. All she had to do was not fall over and she was going to win gold.
I haven't heard or read anywhere that she's not at 100%.
I thought I might be able to catch the end during my break now but it's over. When I watched the team comp Biles looked 75- 80% to me.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2024, 02:41:51 PM
I thought I might be able to catch the end during my break now but it's over. When I watched the team comp Biles looked 75- 80% to me.
There is the evening where things are repeated on NBC
tin foil hat on. Steve Kerr is trying.to dismantle the Celtics.
Leave Jaylen Brown off
Pick Derek White
Sit Tatum and play White
Overuse Holliday
Diana moorhouse was robbed in boxing. Sooner this sport loses its status in the Olympics sooner it can get cleaned up.
Women's Foil with the gold. Heck yeah.
Couple interesting coaching decisions and hard to say they didn't pay off. The alternate, Weintraub, doesn't fence at all the entire olympics until halfway through the gold medal match, gets two rotations, and CRUSHES, is one. The other is going with Scruggs (silver medalist in individual) instead of Kiefer (gold medalist and world #1) to anchor. Kiefer and the team built a huge lead, Scruggs in the anchor position let Italy back into it and really looked on her heels there for a minute, but using the lead did enough to get over the finish line.
First U.S. team gold in olympic history, mens or womens.
Woot.
History may be in the offing for women's basketball. Belgium hanging around.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 01, 2024, 02:54:30 PM
There is the evening where things are repeated on NBC
Not to mention there are dozens of other sources that you can read (or watch the highlights) to catch up.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 01, 2024, 01:52:29 PM
Jutwa, I'm honestly trying to understand, did you assume that these two women were trans women and not realize that they were cis women with typically male chrimosomes? Or is your position that cis women born with typically male chromosomes (such as women born with Swyer syndrome) are not women?
Imane Khelif does not have Swyers syndrome as those individuals with Swyers produce neither progesterone or testosterone. She is a person with xy chromosomes who presents as a female but whose body produces testosterone levels as a male. It gives her an advantage over most xx females competing in a sport like boxing. Now if it were synchronized swimming no one would give a hoot.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 01, 2024, 03:21:20 PM
Imane Khelif does not have Swyers syndrome as those individuals with Swyers produce neither progesterone or testosterone. She is a person with xy chromosomes who presents as a female but whose body produces testosterone levels as a male. It gives her an advantage over most xx females competing in a sport like boxing. Now if it were synchronized swimming no one would give a hoot.
This doesnt answer my question. Are you arguing that shes actually a trans woman? Or are you arguing that a cis woman born with xy chromosomes is not a woman?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 01, 2024, 03:21:20 PM
Imane Khelif does not have Swyers syndrome as those individuals with Swyers produce neither progesterone or testosterone. She is a person with xy chromosomes who presents as a female but whose body produces testosterone levels as a male. It gives her an advantage over most xx females competing in a sport like boxing. Now if it were synchronized swimming no one would give a hoot.
Someone who is over 6'10" has an advantage in basketball or volleyball over me. That's not fair, they shouldn't be allowed to play.
US women hold on, but Belgium is not far away.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 01, 2024, 03:21:20 PM
Imane Khelif does not have Swyers syndrome as those individuals with Swyers produce neither progesterone or testosterone. She is a person with xy chromosomes who presents as a female but whose body produces testosterone levels as a male. It gives her an advantage over most xx females competing in a sport like boxing. Now if it were synchronized swimming no one would give a hoot.
Michael Phelps has genetic advantages that make him a faster swimmer than normal guys.
LeBron James has genetic advantages that make him better at basketball than normal guys.
Serena Williams has genetic advantages that make her a better tennis player than normal women.
Erling Haaland has genetic advantages that make him a better soccer player than normal guys.
The best athletes have always had innate advantages. That includes fighters. It's a big part of what makes them great.
Why is this suddenly a problem for these two athletes?
Quote from: wadesworld on August 01, 2024, 03:35:46 PM
Someone who is over 6'10" has an advantage in basketball or volleyball over me. That's not fair, they shouldn't be allowed to play.
I'd pay to see height classes in basketball the way there's weight classes in combat sports. It'd be phenomenal to see the sub 6' basketball league.
USA finally getting it rolling against China in beach volleyball and they pause it due to lightning ugh
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 01, 2024, 03:47:59 PM
I'd pay to see height classes in basketball the way there's weight classes in combat sports. It'd be phenomenal to see the sub 6' basketball league.
There was briefly a pro league for players 6'5" and under.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Basketball_League
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 01, 2024, 03:47:59 PM
I'd pay to see height classes in basketball the way there's weight classes in combat sports. It'd be phenomenal to see the sub 6' basketball league.
Like in intramurals?
Quote from: tower912 on August 01, 2024, 03:55:59 PM
Like in intramurals?
Some people here could dunk in intramurals if I recall
If I complained about getting hit too hard in a sport that's focused around hitting by someone who did not even win the prior Olympics, maybe I shouldn't be in that sport anymore. Seems like people are inventing a trans athlete to get mad at.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 01, 2024, 01:52:29 PM
Jutwa, I'm honestly trying to understand, did you assume that these two women were trans women and not realize that they were cis women with typically male chrimosomes? Or is your position that cis women born with typically male chromosomes (such as women born with Swyer syndrome) are not women?
Didn't realize they were cis-women to be honest. Although logically I should have assumed that given that Lia Thomas and others were not allowed to compete. I have zero problems with cis women competing..never had an issue with the track athlete from South Africa either (Castor??). My only problem is with biological men, so thanks for clarifying.
The balance beam to me is the craziest gymnastics event. I would probably die if I tried that.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 04:59:21 PM
Didn't realize they were cis-women to be honest. Although logically I should have assumed that given that Lia Thomas and others were not allowed to compete. I have zero problems with cis women competing..never had an issue with the track athlete from South Africa either (Castor??). My only problem is with biological men, so thanks for clarifying.
Get outraged first. Get the facts later.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 01, 2024, 03:47:59 PM
I'd pay to see height classes in basketball the way there's weight classes in combat sports. It'd be phenomenal to see the sub 6' basketball league.
Galway,
I've been a strong advocate (for many years) that there should be multiple hoops leagues for our diminutive citizens.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2024, 05:06:02 PM
Galway,
I've been a strong advocate (for many years) that there should be multiple hoops leagues for our diminutive citizens.
That no one would watch.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2024, 05:06:02 PM
Galway,
I've been a strong advocate (for many years) that there should be multiple hoops leagues for our diminutive citizens.
If there was a market for them, they would exist.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 04:59:21 PM
Didn't realize they were cis-women to be honest. Although logically I should have assumed that given that Lia Thomas and others were not allowed to compete. I have zero problems with cis women competing..never had an issue with the track athlete from South Africa either (Castor??). My only problem is with biological men, so thanks for clarifying.
L
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Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 05:01:42 PM
The balance beam to me is the craziest gymnastics event. I would probably die if I tried that.
Hell, I can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
I get tired of watching some of the events after a while, but women's gymnastics is not one of them. Did you see how high Simone got on her floor exercise during the team competition? We need someone with that ability on our bball team. Unstoppable dunks!
I have great respect for all the athletes. My
Gawd, they work hard for years just to qualify for the Olympics.
My favorite gymnastics events to watch are the uneven parallel bars, the high bars, the balance beam and the pommel horse, which fascinates me for some unfathomable reason...I do not know how they do all those things on the balance beam...
Great career to a talented and funny dude.
https://x.com/andy_murray/status/1819115193148100944?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg
Quote from: tower912 on August 01, 2024, 05:09:13 PM
If there was a market for them, they would exist.
Doesn't Fisher-Price make equipment for the muggsy's of the world?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 04:59:21 PM
Didn't realize they were cis-women to be honest. Although logically I should have assumed that given that Lia Thomas and others were not allowed to compete. I have zero problems with cis women competing..never had an issue with the track athlete from South Africa either (Castor??). My only problem is with biological men, so thanks for clarifying.
So instead of doing basic research, you took the word of an organization that's too corrupt for the IOC. Impressive.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 01, 2024, 05:07:07 PM
That no one would watch.
Let them play with the big guys as long as the big guys can dunk the shrimpy players. Hopefully, they wouldn't get stuck in the net. It would mess up the flow of the game.
Quote from: Jockey on August 01, 2024, 05:33:08 PM
Doesn't Fisher-Price make equipment for the muggsy's of the world?
Further evidence of the ubiquitous discrimination of our smaller citizens. I'm 5'4 and proud of our tremendous diminutive athletes.
That would be Jockey.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2024, 05:58:30 PM
Further evidence of the ubiquitous discrimination of our smaller citizens. I'm 5'4 and proud of our tremendous diminutive athletes.
Agreed. I like midget bowling.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 01, 2024, 03:45:08 PM
Michael Phelps has genetic advantages that make him a faster swimmer than normal guys.
LeBron James has genetic advantages that make him better at basketball than normal guys.
Serena Williams has genetic advantages that make her a better tennis player than normal women.
Erling Haaland has genetic advantages that make him a better soccer player than normal guys.
The best athletes have always had innate advantages. That includes fighters. It's a big part of what makes them great.
Why is this suddenly a problem for these two athletes?
You know why. To quote one of our resident tooth-yankers:
Fear and control, fear and control.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 01, 2024, 05:13:50 PM
I get tired of watching some of the events after a while, but women's gymnastics is not one of them. Did you see how high Simone got on her floor exercise during the team competition?
It's even more impressive to watch live, She is 4'7" and can literally get 12 feet in the air.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 01, 2024, 06:26:25 PM
Agreed. I like midget bowling.
Imagine if another group of people suffered this fking bcrap? I thought your political party is all about inclusion? What about our dwarf population which is significantt? I've said it many times: Jonathan Swift had foresight despite his satirical bent. One of these days the entire diminutive population (worldwide) will unite!!! You will see a force that would make the great Simo Hayha proud! No longer will there be anxiety about needing a 45 inch vert (plus hangtime) to piss in a public urinal. It's time to punch back and own the future for the sub 5'9 world.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 01, 2024, 06:39:19 PM
It's even more impressive to watch live, She is 4'7" and can literally get 12 feet in the air.
Damn fking straight!!!
Senator JD Vance of Ohio, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, is drawing renewed scrutiny over his past remarks that the American gymnast Simone Biles, who won another Olympic all-around gold medal on Thursday, showed weakness when she withdrew from the previous Games because of a mental health issue.
Mr. Vance, during an appearance on Fox News in 2021, questioned why Ms. Biles was receiving acclaim for stepping away from the competition at the Tokyo games.
"I think it reflects pretty poorly on our sort of therapeutic society that we try to praise people, not for moments of strength, not for moments of heroism, but for their weakest moments," Mr. Vance, who was running for the Senate, said at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/us/politics/jd-vance-simone-biles.html?
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2024, 06:48:04 PM
Imagine if another group of people suffered this fking bcrap? I thought your political party is all about inclusion? What about our dwarf population which is significantt? I've said it many times: Jonathan Swift had foresight despite his satirical bent. One of these days the entire diminutive population (worldwide) will unite!!! You will see a force that would make the great Simo Hayha proud! No longer will there be anxiety about needing a 45 inch vert (plus hangtime) to piss in a public urinal. It's time to punch back and own the future for the sub 5'9 world.
We all know how that would go.
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Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 01, 2024, 06:59:46 PM
We all know how that would go.
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/UbunAajGy68AAAAd/midget-fight.gif)
The strongest pound for pound species is the mantis shrimp. :)
Biles is amazing and what gymnasts can do is crazy. But we do realize that there's spring to the floor, right? They aren't doing that on a basketball floor.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 01, 2024, 07:08:51 PM
Biles is amazing and what gymnasts can do is crazy. But we do realize that there's spring to the floor, right? They aren't doing that on a basketball floor.
Let's see Lebron try to do Biles' floor exercise routine.
Quote from: MU82 on August 01, 2024, 06:58:02 PM
Senator JD Vance of Ohio, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, is drawing renewed scrutiny over his past remarks that the American gymnast Simone Biles, who won another Olympic all-around gold medal on Thursday, showed weakness when she withdrew from the previous Games because of a mental health issue.
Mr. Vance, during an appearance on Fox News in 2021, questioned why Ms. Biles was receiving acclaim for stepping away from the competition at the Tokyo games.
82 - why do you have to make this political????
"I think it reflects pretty poorly on our sort of therapeutic society that we try to praise people, not for moments of strength, not for moments of heroism, but for their weakest moments," Mr. Vance, who was running for the Senate, said at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/us/politics/jd-vance-simone-biles.html?
Quote from: wadesworld on August 01, 2024, 07:08:51 PM
Biles is amazing and what gymnasts can do is crazy. But we do realize that there's spring to the floor, right? They aren't doing that on a basketball floor.
It's equivalent to Shaq getting 18 feet in the air. Can he do that, even with a springy floor?
Quote from: warriorchick on August 01, 2024, 07:33:18 PM
It's equivalent to Shaq getting 18 feet in the air. Can he do that, even with a springy floor?
How did you calculate this "equivalent?"
Quote from: MU82 on August 01, 2024, 06:58:02 PM
Senator JD Vance of Ohio, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, is drawing renewed scrutiny over his past remarks that the American gymnast Simone Biles, who won another Olympic all-around gold medal on Thursday, showed weakness when she withdrew from the previous Games because of a mental health issue.
Mr. Vance, during an appearance on Fox News in 2021, questioned why Ms. Biles was receiving acclaim for stepping away from the competition at the Tokyo games.
"I think it reflects pretty poorly on our sort of therapeutic society that we try to praise people, not for moments of strength, not for moments of heroism, but for their weakest moments," Mr. Vance, who was running for the Senate, said at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/us/politics/jd-vance-simone-biles.html?
you just can't help yourself
you know how many people just changed their votes because you "enlightened" them of this?
NONE, ZIP-ZERO-NADA
but you are willing to risk your scoop legacy over chit comments such as this?
I just mention ice cream or flavor of the day and Sally gets a runny diaper
"Scoop legacy"
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 01, 2024, 07:35:00 PM
How did you calculate this "equivalent?"
Simone is jumping over 2 1/2 times her height.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 01, 2024, 07:46:34 PM
Simone is jumping over 2 1/2 times her height.
Not sure that's how jumping works. But OK.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 01, 2024, 07:48:20 PM
Not sure that's how jumping works. But OK.
What would be the equivalent? The air she gets? Can Shaq get seven feet of air on a springy floor?
Quote from: warriorchick on August 01, 2024, 07:46:34 PM
Simone is jumping over 2 1/2 times her height.
Do we actually know how much "spring" the average person would get? I can't imagine it's all that much relatively speaking. It's definitely not a foot.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 01, 2024, 07:58:57 PM
What would be the equivalent? The air she gets? Can Shaq get seven feet of air on a springy floor?
Yes and no.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on August 01, 2024, 07:39:13 PM
you just can't help yourself
you know how many people just changed their votes because you "enlightened" them of this?
NONE, ZIP-ZERO-NADA
but you are willing to risk your scoop legacy over chit comments such as this?
I just mention ice cream or flavor of the day and Sally gets a runny diaper
So we'll mark you down as "I want my leaders to chastise those who seek help with their mental health."
Thanks, as always, for your unique perspective.
Simone Biles has a better chance of doing a 360 Tomahawk dunk than any NBA player in the history of the league could do what I just saw on the balance beam.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 04:59:21 PM
Didn't realize they were cis-women to be honest. Although logically I should have assumed that given that Lia Thomas and others were not allowed to compete. I have zero problems with cis women competing..never had an issue with the track athlete from South Africa either (Castor??). My only problem is with biological men, so thanks for clarifying.
Thank you for clarifying, frankly, I was surprised you would have an issue with women who were born XY, but either have genetic variants like Swyer syndrome, or Androgen Insensitivity, leading them to being anatomically female, but genetically XY.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 01, 2024, 03:21:20 PM
Imane Khelif does not have Swyers syndrome as those individuals with Swyers produce neither progesterone or testosterone. She is a person with xy chromosomes who presents as a female but whose body produces testosterone levels as a male. It gives her an advantage over most xx females competing in a sport like boxing. Now if it were synchronized swimming no one would give a hoot.
You have no idea what genetic variants have led to Imane Khelif having female anatomy despite being born XY, so quit postulating and attacking a person who was born a women, and lived as a women her entire life.
Further, although individuals with Swyer syndrome generally (note generally, not always) have low Testosterone, they do produce testosterone as they typically have what are referred to as streak gonads, under-developed gonads that will still release testosterone, sometimes due to certain additional conditions, quite high levels. Since the presence of these streak gonads are prone to progressing to Cancer, they are usually removed as early as they are detected, which can sometimes be well well into adulthood.
Notably, it is believed that Imane Khelif does have Swyer Syndrome, and not other genetic variants that lead to XY female characteristics.
She has had to leave a difficult life already, and will continue to live a difficult life. She doesn't need people attacking her for the way she was born.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 01, 2024, 08:15:10 PM
Yes and no.
FTR, the analyst on NBC covering the Olympics just used the same analogy I did originally, except she used LeBron instead of Shaq.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2024, 02:18:20 PM
Excellent. When exactly did she drop the 🔨 ? On what event? Ty. She wasn't close to 100% from the little I saw.
Again, are you unfamiliar with how to use Google?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 04:59:21 PM
Didn't realize they were cis-women to be honest. Although logically I should have assumed that given that Lia Thomas and others were not allowed to compete. I have zero problems with cis women competing..never had an issue with the track athlete from South Africa either (Castor??). My only problem is with biological men, so thanks for clarifying.
It is estimated that there are fewer than 100 transgender athletes at the high school level in the U.S., and a further fewer than 100 transgender athletes at the NCAA level. There are 330 million people in the U.S.
Why is this such an important issue? Why does one side bring up their grievance about this when it affects almost no one? It is utterly insignificant, yet it is a near constant complaint. Why?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on August 01, 2024, 10:12:24 PM
It is estimated that there are fewer than 100 transgender athletes at the high school level in the U.S., and a further fewer than 100 transgender athletes at the NCAA level. There are 330 million people in the U.S.
Why is this such an important issue? Why does one side bring up their grievance about this when it affects almost no one? It is utterly insignificant, yet it is a near constant complaint. Why?
From the latest stats I could find, there are about 40 transgender NCAA athletes. That's roughly .008 percent of all NCAA athletes. And, fwiw, many of these are female-to-male transitions.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on August 01, 2024, 10:12:24 PM
It is estimated that there are fewer than 100 transgender athletes at the high school level in the U.S., and a further fewer than 100 transgender athletes at the NCAA level. There are 330 million people in the U.S.
Why is this such an important issue? Why does one side bring up their grievance about this when it affects almost no one? It is utterly insignificant, yet it is a near constant complaint. Why?
Well, obviously it's important because there must be an out group the in group can unify around demonizing. Cf. Eco, Umberto, "A Practical List for Identifying [redacted to protect delicate sensibilities]," factors 5-8.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 01, 2024, 11:06:05 PM
Well, obviously it's important because there must be an out group the in group can unify around demonizing. Cf. Eco, Umberto, "A Practical List for Identifying [redacted to protect delicate sensibilities]," factors 5-8.
Yes, I know the answer, and you are absolutely correct. I was going with the Socratic method with jutaw is all.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on August 01, 2024, 10:12:24 PM
It is estimated that there are fewer than 100 transgender athletes at the high school level in the U.S., and a further fewer than 100 transgender athletes at the NCAA level. There are 330 million people in the U.S.
Why is this such an important issue? Why does one side bring up their grievance about this when it affects almost no one? It is utterly insignificant, yet it is a near constant complaint. Why?
I mean, it's just women's sports...who gives a crap, right? Except that for every transwoman that is allowed to compete in women;s sport, a biological woman gets displaced or denied that same opportunity. So, you say "only 100..." while I think that the word "only" preceding 100 in this case is inappropriate since even 1 is too many.
Except that women, even today when we supposedly have made strides in equality, are still valued less than men. This is exemplified by the fact that (white) women still make 78 cents for every dollar that a man makes doing the same work...latina women have it worse off at 64 cents. When we get pregnant, we get "mommy-tracked" at work...meanwhile men don't get "daddy-tracked." LIttle girls are taught at an early age that they are worth less than boys---I didn't have any brothers, but I had a lot of friends who did and most of them played second fiddle to their brothers---always. Want to know what it's like being a woman getting an advanced degree in a male-dominated discipline like chemistry? I have an answer for you and it's not really fun, unless you enjoy being sexually harrassed...
The opportunities that women have today have come from the blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice, lives of the women who came before us. They belong to women and should not be shared with misgendered men/boys. But it's still a man's world and so much so that they can undergo a "transition," become a walking stereotype of what they think a woman is, force their way into women's spaces/sports/opportunities seeking validation of their idenity and expect, no demand, that women just embrace them wholly and cede their own opportunities. It is significant. It is a big deal. At least it is to 95% of all women. Any woman who says otherwsie has either never competed beyond a recreational level in a sport or are so deluded about their own athletic abilities that they don't think a trans athlete who went through male puberty will displace them. Sorry that some of you guys don't understand.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 11:48:47 PM
I mean, it's just women's sports...who gives a crap, right? Except that for every transwoman that is allowed to compete in women;s sport, a biological woman gets displaced or denied that same opportunity.
This is very likely not accurate. My guess is that many, if not most, are in division 3 sports without roster limits.
If you were truly an advocate for women's sports, there are many issues that women have to deal with that are more unjust than this.
But again, that's not your main concern.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 11:48:47 PM
I mean, it's just women's sports...who gives a crap, right? Except that for every transwoman that is allowed to compete in women;s sport, a biological woman gets displaced or denied that same opportunity. So, you say "only 100..." while I think that the word "only" preceding 100 in this case is inappropriate since even 1 is too many.
Except that women, even today when we supposedly have made strides in equality, are still valued less than men. This is exemplified by the fact that (white) women still make 78 cents for every dollar that a man makes doing the same work...latina women have it worse off at 64 cents. When we get pregnant, we get "mommy-tracked" at work...meanwhile men don't get "daddy-tracked." LIttle girls are taught at an early age that they are worth less than boys---I didn't have any brothers, but I had a lot of friends who did and most of them played second fiddle to their brothers---always. Want to know what it's like being a woman getting an advanced degree in a male-dominated discipline like chemistry? I have an answer for you and it's not really fun, unless you enjoy being sexually harrassed...
The opportunities that women have today have come from the blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice, lives of the women who came before us. They belong to women and should not be shared with misgendered men/boys. But it's still a man's world and so much so that they can undergo a "transition," become a walking stereotype of what they think a woman is, force their way into women's spaces/sports/opportunities seeking validation of their idenity and expect, no demand, that women just embrace them wholly and cede their own opportunities. It is significant. It is a big deal. At least it is to 95% of all women. Any woman who says otherwsie has either never competed beyond a recreational level in a sport or are so deluded about their own athletic abilities that they don't think a trans athlete who went through male puberty will displace them. Sorry that some of you guys don't understand.
Unless a majority of women athletes refuse to participate nothing will change.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 02, 2024, 04:31:03 AM
Unless a majority of women athletes refuse to participate nothing will change.
They won't because most of them are smart enough to realize it's an incredibly insignificant issue. Especially compared to legitimate issues that women athletes face.
Quote from: MU82 on August 01, 2024, 08:25:13 PM
So we'll mark you down as "I want my leaders to chastise those who seek help with their mental health."
Thanks, as always, for your unique perspective.
I think his point was that it was sort of a weird thing to introduce politics overtly into the thread.
And he's not really wrong.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 01, 2024, 11:48:47 PM
I mean, it's just women's sports...who gives a crap, right? Except that for every transwoman that is allowed to compete in women;s sport, a biological woman gets displaced or denied that same opportunity. So, you say "only 100..." while I think that the word "only" preceding 100 in this case is inappropriate since even 1 is too many.
Except that women, even today when we supposedly have made strides in equality, are still valued less than men. This is exemplified by the fact that (white) women still make 78 cents for every dollar that a man makes doing the same work...latina women have it worse off at 64 cents. When we get pregnant, we get "mommy-tracked" at work...meanwhile men don't get "daddy-tracked." LIttle girls are taught at an early age that they are worth less than boys---I didn't have any brothers, but I had a lot of friends who did and most of them played second fiddle to their brothers---always. Want to know what it's like being a woman getting an advanced degree in a male-dominated discipline like chemistry? I have an answer for you and it's not really fun, unless you enjoy being sexually harrassed...
The opportunities that women have today have come from the blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice, lives of the women who came before us. They belong to women and should not be shared with misgendered men/boys. But it's still a man's world and so much so that they can undergo a "transition," become a walking stereotype of what they think a woman is, force their way into women's spaces/sports/opportunities seeking validation of their idenity and expect, no demand, that women just embrace them wholly and cede their own opportunities. It is significant. It is a big deal. At least it is to 95% of all women. Any woman who says otherwsie has either never competed beyond a recreational level in a sport or are so deluded about their own athletic abilities that they don't think a trans athlete who went through male puberty will displace them. Sorry that some of you guys don't understand.
TERF behavior.
I'll elaborate. Do you honestly believe that there are men that decide one day to transition to being a woman with the sole intent of being the best at a sport? Take every single thing you've just said all women go through, and now amplify that 100x for a trans woman. They become members of a society who hates them for who they are... just to win a sporting event? Think that one through. Trans people already have a much higher rate of suicide than cis gendered people. They have more problems getting and maintaining employment. They're openly mocked for being who they are on a daily basis. You seem to think that all it takes to compete in women's sports as a trans woman is showing up one day with a dress on. Your absolute lack of understanding and empathy on the topic is astounding for someone who seems to want to continue to talk about it.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 01, 2024, 03:48:47 PM
USA finally getting it rolling against China in beach volleyball and they pause it due to lightning ugh
3rd set was super tight through the first 9 but TKN were able to pull away.
Taryn Kloth is creighton's first ever female olympian and got the sweep through her pool. Very cool.
Lebron showed up after the rain delay and cameras caught a cool interaction between him and kloth after the match.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 02, 2024, 06:17:23 AM
I think his point was that it was sort of a weird thing to introduce politics overtly into the thread.
And he's not really wrong.
ba-ba-BINGO!!
keep this up hardy and we might have to invite you to our next meat summit
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 02, 2024, 06:19:40 AM
TERF behavior.
I'll elaborate. Do you honestly believe that there are men that decide one day to transition to being a woman with the sole intent of being the best at a sport? Take every single thing you've just said all women go through, and now amplify that 100x for a trans woman. They become members of a society who hates them for who they are... just to win a sporting event? Think that one through. Trans people already have a much higher rate of suicide than cis gendered people. They have more problems getting and maintaining employment. They're openly mocked for being who they are on a daily basis. You seem to think that all it takes to compete in women's sports as a trans woman is showing up one day with a dress on. Your absolute lack of understanding and empathy on the topic is astounding for someone who seems to want to continue to talk about it.
Now you're projecting. No one here hates trans people. We're just saying it is not fair.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2024, 08:33:55 PM
Simone Biles has a better chance of doing a 360 Tomahawk dunk than any NBA player in the history of the league could do what I just saw on the balance beam.
I busted out my calculator and ran the math on this. Zero chance = zero chance.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 02, 2024, 06:52:10 AM
Now you're projecting. No one here hates trans people. We're just saying it is not fair.
I'm not projecting. And I am suggesting that society as a whole is very transphobic.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 02, 2024, 06:19:40 AM
TERF behavior.
I'll elaborate. Do you honestly believe that there are men that decide one day to transition to being a woman with the sole intent of being the best at a sport? Take every single thing you've just said all women go through, and now amplify that 100x for a trans woman. They become members of a society who hates them for who they are... just to win a sporting event? Think that one through. Trans people already have a much higher rate of suicide than cis gendered people. They have more problems getting and maintaining employment. They're openly mocked for being who they are on a daily basis. You seem to think that all it takes to compete in women's sports as a trans woman is showing up one day with a dress on. Your absolute lack of understanding and empathy on the topic is astounding for someone who seems to want to continue to talk about it.
the problem as i've personally seen this with a family member, is that "they" promote these changes without enough scrutiny. there isn't enough professional intervention to help many of these people make good choices.
is anyone held accountable for the failures? if i'm a doctor and I am treating someone to transition and it fails, are they he'd to the same standard as a failure in any other medical procedure?
the medical standards of care have not been established here, just as many of the same people tried to establish treatments and discount others for COVID. there needs to be open and honest debate-this is how good science is established, for the time being anyway, but let's at least allow for clear eyed choices to be made
this is not something to be "experimented" with unless you agree with all the "underground" testing on humans done by for example, the nazis during wwII and the like
I have a niece, who is going thru some real difficult psychological issues. part of her thinks or wants to be a male, which is fine, except if she were allowed to take the next step physically, even she isn't sure about that. if she were to go ask for help on her own, the sentiment seems to overwhelming pull her to the side of hormone and physical surgeries which are irreversible. it seems the "professional" is either reluctant to chime in or are chastised outright into silence leaving the "patient" only one choice...come on over, you'll feel so much better...huh??
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 02, 2024, 06:19:40 AM
TERF behavior.
I'll elaborate. Do you honestly believe that there are men that decide one day to transition to being a woman with the sole intent of being the best at a sport? Take every single thing you've just said all women go through, and now amplify that 100x for a trans woman. They become members of a society who hates them for who they are... just to win a sporting event? Think that one through. Trans people already have a much higher rate of suicide than cis gendered people. They have more problems getting and maintaining employment. They're openly mocked for being who they are on a daily basis. You seem to think that all it takes to compete in women's sports as a trans woman is showing up one day with a dress on. Your absolute lack of understanding and empathy on the topic is astounding for someone who seems to want to continue to talk about it.
I guess if wanting women's sports to be for women only makes me a TERF, then so be it (whatever that means). But, if we are name-calling, then you're a sexist because you think it's acceptable to take away opportunities that were designed for women, which are already limited in scope relative to our male counterparts, and give them to someone who is not biolgoically a woman. That's pretty cool.
I certainly have empathy for them, and I have no problem with including them in recreational coed sports. But having empathy does not mean we have to allow them to participate in women's sports. Maybe they can create their own category and transmen/transwomen can compete there.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 02, 2024, 07:12:50 AM
I guess if wanting women's sports to be for women only makes me a TERF, then so be it (whatever that means). But, if we are name-calling, then you're a sexist because you think it's acceptable to take away opportunities that were designed for women, which are already limited in scope relative to our male counterparts, and give them to someone who is not biolgoically a woman. That's pretty cool.
I certainly have empathy for them, and I have no problem with including them in recreational coed sports. But having empathy does not mean we have to allow them to participate in women's sports. Maybe they can create their own category and transmen/transwomen can compete there.
You can Google it if you don't know. But you probably couldn't be bothered to do that, much like you couldn't be bothered to learn more about the boxers you were uninformed about earlier in the discussion.
What I'm discussing certainly isn't sexist. Trans women are women.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 02, 2024, 06:17:23 AM
I think his point was that it was sort of a weird thing to introduce politics overtly into the thread.
And he's not really wrong.
As one who (as everybody knows) isn't afraid to talk politics but as one who almost never does so in "non-political" threads, I'd agree with you, except ...
1. Two pages about who is and isn't a woman, and trans athletes vs cis athletes, made this thread quite political.
2. roQQet routinely inserts political commentary (at least that's what I think his gibberish about ice cream and bernie's and the big guy is) into all kinds of threads, including basketball threads on The Al. So pardon me if I don't accept him assuming the role of Scoop Police.
3. My post was relevant to the thread IMHO.
But I respect your opinion, so I'll drop it now. Have a good one.
Quote from: MU82 on August 02, 2024, 07:29:10 AM
As one who (as everybody knows) isn't afraid to talk politics but as one who almost never does so in "non-political" threads, I'd agree with you, except ...
1. Two pages about who is and isn't a woman, and trans athletes vs cis athletes, made this thread quite political.
2. roQQet routinely inserts political commentary (at least that's what I think his gibberish about ice cream and bernie's and the big guy is) into all kinds of threads, including basketball threads on The Al. So pardon me if I don't accept him assuming the role of Scoop Police.
3. My post was relevant to the thread IMHO.
But I respect your opinion, so I'll drop it now. Have a good one.
1. They're societal discussions, no one brought up a single politician until you did.
2. If rocket jumped of a bridge would you do it too? Also, I'm not singling you out since I think it's pretty easy to find plenty of my posts criticizing rocket. :)
3. If you feel that way, that's fine, but it was about JD Vance's opinion of Simone Biles. Who cares what he thinks, and where does it steer the conversation besides toward a cliff?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 02, 2024, 07:12:50 AM
I guess if wanting women's sports to be for women only makes me a TERF, then so be it (whatever that means). But, if we are name-calling, then you're a sexist because you think it's acceptable to take away opportunities that were designed for women, which are already limited in scope relative to our male counterparts, and give them to someone who is not biolgoically a woman. That's pretty cool.
I certainly have empathy for them, and I have no problem with including them in recreational coed sports. But having empathy does not mean we have to allow them to participate in women's sports. Maybe they can create their own category and transmen/transwomen can compete there.
There is not a single post in your history here that suggests that you have empathy for them at all. Your anti-gay and anti-trans beliefs shine through pretty clearly. And you use the "pro women's sports" as a red herring to legitimize those beliefs. Yet, to my knowledge, you have NEVER posted anything here that suggests you care about the inequities of women's sports at all.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on August 02, 2024, 07:07:30 AM
the problem as i've personally seen this with a family member, is that "they" promote these changes without enough scrutiny. there isn't enough professional intervention to help many of these people make good choices.
is anyone held accountable for the failures? if i'm a doctor and I am treating someone to transition and it fails, are they he'd to the same standard as a failure in any other medical procedure?
the medical standards of care have not been established here, just as many of the same people tried to establish treatments and discount others for COVID. there needs to be open and honest debate-this is how good science is established, for the time being anyway, but let's at least allow for clear eyed choices to be made
this is not something to be "experimented" with unless you agree with all the "underground" testing on humans done by for example, the nazis during wwII and the like
I have a niece, who is going thru some real difficult psychological issues. part of her thinks or wants to be a male, which is fine, except if she were allowed to take the next step physically, even she isn't sure about that. if she were to go ask for help on her own, the sentiment seems to overwhelming pull her to the side of hormone and physical surgeries which are irreversible. it seems the "professional" is either reluctant to chime in or are chastised outright into silence leaving the "patient" only one choice...come on over, you'll feel so much better...huh??
I understand where you're coming from and I'm glad that you know that transitioning isn't a snap decision, nor is it an easy one. And I also agree, (as do the majority of medical professionals) that the person who is considering transitioning consults with as many medical professionals as possible, including therapists. Patients need to be on HRT for a while (years, usually) before any surgical procedure is performed. Thanks for keeping an open mind about all of this.
Alcaraz is something else. His overall athleticism is perhaps on a different level than the Big 3. When he limits his unforced errors, I'm not really sure what you do. Sinner is capable but we may just be seeing a different cat.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on August 01, 2024, 09:57:41 PM
Again, are you unfamiliar with how to use Google?
I don't care for Google.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 02, 2024, 07:37:35 AM
There is not a single post in your history here that suggests that you have empathy for them at all. Your anti-gay and anti-trans beliefs shine through pretty clearly. And you use the "pro women's sports" as a red herring to legitimize those beliefs. Yet, to my knowledge, you have NEVER posted anything here that suggests you care about the inequities of women's sports at all.
I am definitely not anti-gay. Nice try though.
You don't think that I am aware of the numerous inequities of women's sports (and care about them)? I think I might have much more direct experience with that than you do, having personally experienced them, my dude. I don't need to post about it to prove to you that I care or that it has affected me. Ridiculous.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 02, 2024, 07:44:53 AM
I am definitely not anti-gay. Nice try though.
You don't think that I am aware of the numerous inequities of women's sports (and care about them)? I think I might have much more direct experience with that than you do, having personally experienced them, my dude. I don't need to post about it to prove to you that I care or that it has affected me. Ridiculous.
You have no idea what my experiences are.
And I don't believe you.
I think the Olympics could make 🏹 more entertaining. :)
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 02, 2024, 07:50:10 AM
You have no idea what my experiences are.
And I don't believe you.
You have no idea what my experiences are.
And I don't care if some random dude on the internet believes me or not.
So how about that gold medalist from turkey in shooting? The memes are cracking me up.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 02, 2024, 07:44:53 AM
I am definitely not anti-gay. Nice try though.
No you just think they should shut up and take insults when people (who made a choice to pick and choose believes) insult them.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 02, 2024, 08:22:34 AM
You have no idea what my experiences are.
And I don't care if some random dude on the internet believes me or not.
Sure.
Feels like the US men's soccer team could lose this thing pretty decisively.
Well darn. That should seal the deal.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 02, 2024, 09:31:01 AM
Well darn. That should seal the deal.
And that's your double seal
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 02, 2024, 08:28:02 AM
Feels like the US men's soccer team could lose this thing pretty decisively.
Unfortunately I was correct.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 02, 2024, 07:43:59 AM
I don't care for Google.
Try Ecosia then. They donate a pair of lift shoes to a person under 5'5" every time you use their search engine (or something like that).
Too many posts to quote and comment on.
Trans people (nor anyone else for that matter) should not be discriminated against, but (a) it's a matter of fairness and safety, and (2) it's a big deal because the 99.9999999999999% of the population is being required to allow the .0000000000001%, who have a physical advantage, to compete against the rest. If a separate category shouldn't be created, then abolish the women's category and make it all open.
And, if it's no big deal and "trans women are women", why is it such a big deal to have the "first woman" anything?
Standing up for the rights of women doesn't make a person anti-gay or anti-trans. Good luck to you Jutaw.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on August 02, 2024, 10:44:13 AM
And, if it's no big deal and "trans women are women", why is it such a big deal to have the "first woman" anything?
Good lord. This is this nonsensical logic.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on August 02, 2024, 10:44:13 AM
Standing up for the rights of women doesn't make a person anti-gay or anti-trans. Good luck to you Jutaw.
Of course not - being anti-gay and anti-trans makes you anti-gay and anti-trans. Using "rights of women" as a cover for that doesn't make you less anti-gay or anti-trans.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on August 02, 2024, 10:44:13 AM
Too many posts to quote and comment on.
Trans people (nor anyone else for that matter) should not be discriminated against, but (a) it's a matter of fairness and safety, and (2) it's a big deal because the 99.9999999999999% of the population is being required to allow the .0000000000001%, who have a physical advantage, to compete against the rest. If a separate category shouldn't be created, then abolish the women's category and make it all open.
And, if it's no big deal and "trans women are women", why is it such a big deal to have the "first woman" anything?
Standing up for the rights of women doesn't make a person anti-gay or anti-trans. Good luck to you Jutaw.
I'm sorry, I can't help you.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on August 02, 2024, 10:44:13 AM
Too many posts to quote and comment on.
Trans people (nor anyone else for that matter) should not be discriminated against, but (a) it's a matter of fairness and safety, and (2) it's a big deal because the 99.9999999999999% of the population is being required to allow the .0000000000001%, who have a physical advantage, to compete against the rest. If a separate category shouldn't be created, then abolish the women's category and make it all open.
And, if it's no big deal and "trans women are women", why is it such a big deal to have the "first woman" anything?
Standing up for the rights of women doesn't make a person anti-gay or anti-trans. Good luck to you Jutaw.
1. Trans women in sports is a complex issue that requires a reasonable balance between allowing equal opportunity and competing on a reasonably level playing field. Most American and international sports governing bodies have, and continue to, review the science and work with experts to establish rules that create this balance.
2. A large number, if not the vast majority, of those who want to ban trans athletes over "the rights of women" don't actually care about the rights of women or women's sports. The Venn diagram between these people and those who support Dobbs and complain about Title IX is awfully close to a circle.
3. None of this is relevant to the outright falsehoods and hatred being spewed by the right toward Imane Khelif and Lin Yu Tin.
Also, to circle back to the discussion, and hopefully put it to bed, the Italian boxer apologized publicly to the Algerian boxer. Is regretful of her comments and behavior.
Did not realize that a gold medal is actually 92.5% silver, with only 6 grams of gold plating.
I'm a good human because I play a lot of mixed Pickleball. #equality
How dare we speak Merry Christmas?!?!
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 02, 2024, 11:12:48 AM
Did not realize that a gold medal is actually 92.5% silver, with only 6 grams of gold plating.
Yeah, I believe it is less and less gold every year. Kind of a shame.
I think this year's medals have some melted down chunks of the Eiffel tower in them, so at least there is something cool about them.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 02, 2024, 11:13:12 AM
I'm a good human because I play a lot of mixed Pickleball. #equality
How dare we speak Merry Christmas?!?!
Weird
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 02, 2024, 11:13:12 AM
I'm a good human because I play a lot of mixed Pickleball. #equality
How dare we speak Merry Christmas?!?!
Mixed? One other non-geriatric player? Two 80 year olds across the net?
Quote from: tower912 on August 02, 2024, 11:22:22 AM
Mixed? One other non-geriatric player? Two 80 year olds across the net?
Put em in a blender
The U.S Mens 3x3 bball team is a national disgrace.
The U.S Mens 3x3 bball team has restored national glory after defeating France and moving to 1-3.
Regan Smith the Silver Queen
Really wish the swimmer Wang Shun would have won that gold. That would have been an all time dad joke.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 02, 2024, 01:55:20 PM
Really wish the swimmer Wang Shun would have won that gold. That would have been an all time dad joke.
Ah, well at least everybody will have fun tonight.
https://x.com/Simone_Biles/status/1819284274224173147
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 02, 2024, 01:55:20 PM
Really wish the swimmer Wang Shun would have won that gold. That would have been an all time dad joke.
Would have had fun tonight.
For our friends to the northwest:
Accurate
https://x.com/AJBayatpour/status/1819443849233653943
so sully, do you think it's ok for men to compete(beat up) in women's sports?
the whole locker room issue is another punch above the belt
oh yeah, "i'll identify as a woman" today would be the response of many male teens going thru puberty today, what the heck eyn'a? the worst they can say is nope
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/cbdc91841381d6aec48d9f8943bc5a4a/tumblr_n40kuzM7L31smcbm7o1_250.gif)
Quote from: rocket surgeon on August 02, 2024, 03:31:41 PM
so sully, do you think it's ok for men to compete(beat up) in women's sports?
the whole locker room issue is another punch above the belt
oh yeah, "i'll identify as a woman" today would be the response of many male teens going thru puberty today, what the heck eyn'a? the worst they can say is nope
How many males are getting sex changes to compete in women's sports?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on August 02, 2024, 03:31:41 PM
so sully, do you think it's ok for men to compete(beat up) in women's sports?
Why are you propagating this lie?
Quote
oh yeah, "i'll identify as a woman" today would be the response of many male teens going thru puberty today, what the heck eyn'a? the worst they can say is nope
What kind of teenage boys are you hanging out with?
Good grief. Will we ever field a decent USMNT? Smh.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on August 02, 2024, 03:31:41 PM
so sully, do you think it's ok for men to compete(beat up) in women's sports?
the whole locker room issue is another punch above the belt
oh yeah, "i'll identify as a woman" today would be the response of many male teens going thru puberty today, what the heck eyn'a? the worst they can say is nope
If there's one thing I know about teenage boys, they love for people to think they're queer when they aren't. No doubt the boys locker rooms are empty because so many of them are falling all over each other to claim a trans identity for themselves in the hopes of seeing a boob, which is famously not a thing that teenage boys can find in any other way save for the scenario you've imagined in your head.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 02, 2024, 04:26:24 PM
If there's one thing I know about teenage boys, they love for people to think they're queer when they aren't. No doubt the boys locker rooms are empty because so many of them are falling all over each other to claim a trans identity for themselves in the hopes of seeing a boob, which is famously not a thing that teenage boys can find in any other way save for the scenario you've imagined in your head.
https://youtu.be/EtVAzgq37ec?si=gGDbiZhJ5eO6jjF2
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 02, 2024, 04:17:40 PM
Good grief. Will we ever field a decent USMNT? Smh.
In fairness it is the U23 team. But that certainly does not bode well for the future.
On a positive note, USWNT are kicking butt, lead by Lindsay Horan. I used to work with her mom, before she retired to follow her daughter.
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 02, 2024, 04:31:56 PM
In fairness it is the U23 team. But that certainly does not bode well for the future.
On a positive note, USWNT are kicking butt, lead by Lindsay Horan. I used to work with her mom, before she retired to follow her daughter.
With unlimited funds?
Quote from: tower912 on August 02, 2024, 04:55:39 PM
With unlimited funds?
Our men's ⚽️ team is a steaming/unmitigated disaster Tower. And I don't buy this bshiiite that it's because our best athletes play other sports. I would do more than tweak the entire system. Morocco?? WTF? We're not preserving lemons, nor is this a tagine chicken contest with homemade harissa and couscous. Are we even among the top 15 teams in the world? Ridiculous.
I was referring to retired mother Horan following her daughter around. A nod to your rando thread of the day.
Quote from: tower912 on August 02, 2024, 06:03:14 PM
I was referring to retired mother Horan following her daughter around. A nod to your rando thread of the day.
Oh....I guess I missed that. Anyway, I'm very disappointed.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 02, 2024, 10:54:22 AM
1. Trans women in sports is a complex issue that requires a reasonable balance between allowing equal opportunity and competing on a reasonably level playing field. Most American and international sports governing bodies have, and continue to, review the science and work with experts to establish rules that create this balance.
2. A large number, if not the vast majority, of those who want to ban trans athletes over "the rights of women" don't actually care about the rights of women or women's sports. The Venn diagram between these people and those who support Dobbs and complain about Title IX is awfully close to a circle.
3. None of this is relevant to the outright falsehoods and hatred being spewed by the right toward Imane Khelif and Lin Yu Tin.
This is the correct response and is spot on.
Number 1 should be reviewed regularly by those who are adamant against the participation of trans individuals in sports.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on August 02, 2024, 03:31:41 PM
so sully, do you think it's ok for men to compete(beat up) in women's sports?
No. Why would you think I do?
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 02, 2024, 04:31:56 PM
In fairness it is the U23 team. But that certainly does not bode well for the future.
On a positive note, USWNT are kicking butt, lead by Lindsay Horan. I used to work with her mom, before she retired to follow her daughter.
But isn't this basically a JV level U23 team? A lot of our U23s played in the Copa and/or weren't released by their clubs to participate.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 02, 2024, 05:52:51 PM
Our men's ⚽️ team is a steaming/unmitigated disaster Tower. And I don't buy this bshiiite that it's because our best athletes play other sports. I would do more than tweak the entire system. Morocco?? WTF? We're not preserving lemons, nor is this a tagine chicken contest with homemade harissa and couscous. Are we even among the top 15 teams in the world? Ridiculous.
You have demonstrated, multiple times, you have no idea what you're talking about concerning US soccer.
Please stop.
Tonight I'm watching the Chinese synchronized divers Long and Wang.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 02, 2024, 07:18:55 PM
Tonight I'm watching the Chinese synchronized divers Long and Wang.
racist
https://x.com/media2fe/status/1819407103234118042?s=46&t=FQOaur63YjPmfJcSNttjhQ
But also, how it felt being a MU basketball fan during the Wojo era.
The baddest man on the planet, Teddy Riner, wins judo gold for France.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 02, 2024, 04:26:24 PM
If there's one thing I know about teenage boys, they love for people to think they're queer when they aren't. No doubt the boys locker rooms are empty because so many of them are falling all over each other to claim a trans identity for themselves in the hopes of seeing a boob, which is famously not a thing that teenage boys can find in any other way save for the scenario you've imagined in your head.
I've always wondered this when people bring up boys pretending to be trans to get into locker rooms. I know boys sneaking into the girls locker room is common trope in cartoons, but Ive never met someone who actually aspired to do that in real life. Were boys so boob starved pre 1990 that breaking into locker rooms was the only way they could see a boob?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 02, 2024, 08:20:08 PM
I've always wondered this when people bring up boys pretending to be trans to get into locker rooms. I know boys sneaking into the girls locker room is common trope in cartoons, but Ive never met someone who actually aspired to do that in real life. Were boys so boob starved pre 1990 that breaking into locker rooms was the only way they could see a boob?
Haven't you ever seen Porkys?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on August 02, 2024, 08:31:42 PM
Haven't you ever seen Porkys?
But the central conceit of Porky's and all of the pre-90s sexploitation comedy tropes did not include "redefine one's social and personal identity to pass as a woman." They were basically like "let's go to crazy contrived rube goldberg-esque shenanigans to cut a peephole in a shower room." I actually do wonder if one of the reasons why this is no longer a ripe subject matter for hollywood is the ready availability of sexual material as easy as breathing. What once took shenanigans is now just a click away on every cell phone in the high school. This is more of a musing on the nature of what cultural zeitgeists inform story telling conventions...
but as type this I wonder if I can talk my way back into understanding the origin of the unhinged right wing trope of "boys are pretending to be girls to get into girls locker rooms" thing:
In the late 70s urban decay led to the raft of Dirty Harry/Charles Bronson type movies. As urban decay became less and less of a cultural concern, that style of movie became less prevalent. That is to say that the perception of reality informs the stories we tell to each other. I wonder if among the facebook-curdled minds of the fighting JKRowlings/Rockets of the world they marinate in a world where "all the kids are turning gay or gender fluid or trans" such that they believe there is no social stigma associated with identifying as trans anymore among young people. If that's the case, then sure, "why not say you're a girl to try to peep on the cheerleaders for a lark" doesn't sound as freaking insane as it sounds to anyone with one foot in reality.
Their perception of the world has made them see urban decay in every corner, so of course now they're inventing the Dirty Harry that goes along with it.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 02, 2024, 09:07:46 PM
But the central conceit of Porky's and all of the pre-90s sexploitation comedy tropes did not include "redefine one's social and personal identity to pass as a woman." They were basically like "let's go to crazy contrived rube goldberg-esque shenanigans to cut a peephole in a shower room." I actually do wonder if one of the reasons why this is no longer a ripe subject matter for hollywood is the ready availability of sexual material as easy as breathing. What once took shenanigans is now just a click away on every cell phone in the high school. This is more of a musing on the nature of what cultural zeitgeists inform story telling conventions...
but as type this I wonder if I can talk my way back into understanding the origin of the unhinged right wing trope of "boys are pretending to be girls to get into girls locker rooms" thing:
In the late 70s urban decay led to the raft of Dirty Harry/Charles Bronson type movies. As urban decay became less and less of a cultural concern, that style of movie became less prevalent. That is to say that the perception of reality informs the stories we tell to each other. I wonder if among the facebook-curdled minds of the fighting JKRowlings/Rockets of the world they marinate in a world where "all the kids are turning gay or gender fluid or trans" such that they believe there is no social stigma associated with identifying as trans anymore among young people. If that's the case, then sure, "why not say you're a girl to try to peep on the cheerleaders for a lark" doesn't sound as freaking insane as it sounds to anyone with one foot in reality.
Their perception of the world has made them see urban decay in every corner, so of course now they're inventing the Dirty Harry that goes along with it.
Wow, all I was trying to address was the last sentence.
If Bobby Finke does not win gold in the men's 1500 free on Sunday it will be the first time in 124 years that the US men have not won an individual gold in swimming at the summer games.
Quote from: MU1in77 on August 02, 2024, 09:30:34 PM
If Bobby Finke does not win gold in the men's 1500 free on Sunday it will be the first time in 124 years that the US men have not won an individual gold in swimming at the summer games.
Sweet Jesus.
So are having the Olympics in Europe the best for American viewing?
**In the morning, we can watch "daytime" and preliminary events.
**In the afternoon, we can see live medal competitions in high profile events like swimming and track and field.
**In the evening, NBC can curate a prime time episode for those who don't have the opportunity to view the above. Or want to watch them again.
This might be a better viewing opportunity than when they'll be in LA in four years. Regardless, this is very much a welcome change from when NBC wouldn't treat the Olympics like it was actually a live sporting event.
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 02, 2024, 06:49:59 PM
You have demonstrated, multiple times, you have no idea what you're talking about concerning US soccer.
Please stop.
Okay. Enlighten me. Why are we nowhere remotely near close to the level of the best teams in the world? And like clockwork we're told "this is the year" and we don't do diddly squat?
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 03, 2024, 07:28:03 AM
Okay. Enlighten me. Why are we nowhere remotely near close to the level of the best teams in the world? And like clockwork we're told "this is the year" and we don't do diddly squat?
As has been explained to you before, our youth development systems in many sports is fractured and substandard and weighted toward those with the resources to participate.
In soccer, there is not enough effort devoted to skill development, and simply making the sport "fun" at the younger levels. You already have 10 year olds on travel teams where they spend most of their time playing games of questionable quality. And of course, those with resources are the ones who can afford to travel. Furthermore, the quality of coaching in general is nothing like in Europe, which has made huge strides in how you teach and play the game.
We get away with this in basketball because of the sheer number of youth who play the game, and the quality of coaching is significantly better than what you see in soccer. In baseball and football we get away with it because many countries care little about those sports.
And I don't think the soccer situation is fixable in the US. We will be good because of the huge population, but I think smaller countries have an advantage because they can install and perfect coaching and playing systems country wide. That will simply never happen here.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 03, 2024, 07:40:34 AM
As has been explained to you before, our youth development systems in many sports is fractured and substandard and weighted toward those with the resources to participate.
In soccer, there is not enough effort devoted to skill development, and simply making the sport "fun" at the younger levels. You already have 10 year olds on travel teams where they spend most of their time playing games of questionable quality. And of course, those with resources are the ones who can afford to travel. Furthermore, the quality of coaching in general is nothing like in Europe, which has made huge strides in how you teach and play the game.
We get away with this in basketball because of the sheer number of youth who play the game, and the quality of coaching is significantly better than what you see in soccer. In baseball and football we get away with it because many countries care little about those sports.
And I don't think the soccer situation is fixable in the US. We will be good because of the huge population, but I think smaller countries have an advantage because they can install and perfect coaching and playing systems country wide. That will simply never happen here.
So it's not fixable because we have to stick with our shiiiiiiity system? Can we not improve our basic fundamentals and coaching?
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 03, 2024, 07:49:02 AM
So it's not fixable because we have to stick with our shiiiiiiity system? Can we not improve our basic fundamentals and coaching?
Its unfixable because our youth development systems are all decentralized. There aren't common understandings of what skills should be taught and how and when to teach them. So our main advantages is the sheer number of people we have, and that we are a wealthy country. So as I said, we will always be good. But there will always be countries that are just better.
Satan brings up some some valid tropes regarding development however the present issues are much more concrete than an overhaul of the entire youth system in the country.
The world football market shows time and time our players are valued on the international stage. Our starting 11 is young however most if not all have been bought and sold to clubs in big leagues thusly proving their value. We're a half step away from competing (not winning) at international competitions purely based off of individual talent at the club level.
Looking at previous iterations of this national team, I would say the international program has severely regressed in the last six years. Previously, there was a belief that we could go out and beat anyone, even with much less talent. And we did! There are countless examples of us punching well above our weight. Much of that had to do with a strong level of leadership and accountability from the players. Tim Howard, Michael Bradley, Clint Dempsey each come to mind as natural born leaders who were hard nosed and led from the front.
I don't see any of those types in this pool and to boot, we had an absolutely pathetic manager who enabled lots of young players to develop a soft mentality when putting on the shirt. On top of that, we have opposing managers laughing at the managers tactical naivety. His imprint of mismanagement is all over this program after six years at the helm and will take some time to reverse. Hopefully the right hire at the top will change the weak mentality Berhalter allowed.
So Muggsy - I do believe the fix is easier than "developing better players" although that will certainly help. We need a stronger, more competent manager running the program to get the most out of our talented group.
A few years ago, we spent spring break in a cold London, staying in a north side neighborhood. Walked to the tube on a very crowded sidewalk. A kid was easily threading through the crowd dribbling a soccer ball. It seemed he was doing it just to pass time.
I equate our soccer program to the suburban city league youth basketball leagues that taught very structured offense and defense. Our soccer kids don't just play free flowing pick up soccer like they do basketball.
- signed a guy who knows very little about soccer.
Quote from: Marquettepoop on August 03, 2024, 09:41:34 AM
Satan brings up some some valid tropes regarding development however the present issues are much more concrete than an overhaul of the entire youth system in the country.
The world football market shows time and time our players are valued on the international stage. Our starting 11 is young however most if not all have been bought and sold to clubs in big leagues thusly proving their value. We're a half step away from competing (not winning) at international competitions purely based off of individual talent at the club level.
Looking at previous iterations of this national team, I would say the international program has severely regressed in the last six years. Previously, there was a belief that we could go out and beat anyone, even with much less talent. And we did! There are countless examples of us punching well above our weight. Much of that had to do with a strong level of leadership and accountability from the players. Tim Howard, Michael Bradley, Clint Dempsey each come to mind as natural born leaders who were hard nosed and led from the front.
I don't see any of those types in this pool and to boot, we had an absolutely pathetic manager who enabled lots of young players to develop a soft mentality when putting on the shirt. On top of that, we have opposing managers laughing at the managers tactical naivety. His imprint of mismanagement is all over this program after six years at the helm and will take some time to reverse. Hopefully the right hire at the top will change the weak mentality Berhalter allowed.
So Muggsy - I do believe the fix is easier than "developing better players" although that will certainly help. We need a stronger, more competent manager running the program to get the most out of our talented group.
Ty, M-Poop. This seems like very reasonable analysis. It sounds like our coaching on a myriad of levels is somewhat of a disaster.
KABOOM!!! Beautiful goal from Trinity Rodman!!!!
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 03, 2024, 10:14:54 AM
KABOOM!!! Beautiful goal from Trinity Rodman!!!!
I was starting to think we were going to lose on a counter or penalties. Our attack has looked pretty anemic other than the last 5 minutes of regulation, but that was a thing of beauty.
Great goal by Rodman and gutty performance from the USWNT.
Fun to hear Dwyane Wade on the mic for these USA basketball games. He's a natural.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 03, 2024, 10:24:34 AM
I was starting to think we were going to lose on a counter or penalties. Our attack has looked pretty anemic other than the last 5 minutes of regulation, but that was a thing of beauty.
That was freaking sweet. Is her left foot her strong foot? She zipped that in the top corner of the net with tremendous velocity.
From Yahoo Sports:
The Italian boxer who after 46 seconds abandoned her bout against Algeria's Imane Khelif says she regrets not shaking Khelif's hand before leaving the ring and is "sad" about the gender controversy that has engulfed the Games.
"It wasn't something I intended to do," Angela Carini told Italian sports daily La Gazzetta dello Sport. "Actually, I want to apologize to her and everyone else. I was angry because my Olympics had gone up in smoke." Carini added that if she and Khelif met again, she would "embrace her."
"All this controversy makes me sad," Carini told the Italian paper. "If the IOC said she can fight, I respect that decision."
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 03, 2024, 09:48:32 AM
A few years ago, we spent spring break in a cold London, staying in a north side neighborhood. Walked to the tube on a very crowded sidewalk. A kid was easily threading through the crowd dribbling a soccer ball. It seemed he was doing it just to pass time.
I equate our soccer program to the suburban city league youth basketball leagues that taught very structured offense and defense. Our soccer kids don't just play free flowing pick up soccer like they do basketball.
- signed a guy who knows very little about soccer.
This is a great observation. Over the years in youth coaching, we were instructed to play "street soccer" to begin training. No coaching, no feedback, no "structure" just go play. Free flow, take risks, have fun, get touches. As my older son got older, he was instructed to get 10,000 touches a week in outside training through specific skills, wall work, or just weaving through people as you mentioned.
It all helps, but I think the bigger issue is the pay to play. If I had unlimited money (besides buying a home in Seville or Chania - for the retirement living thread) I would have a program that was free for players who we specifically identify as potential national level talent. I would also work to identify the younger players in a birth year who may be at a disadvantage but show that by the time they are late teens that they will be good players. My son played on a Midwest team when he was 13, they went to IMG, and their first game was against Vasco de Gama (they also played against Juventus). These Brazilian youth players live together, train together, all soccer all the time. It's not for every kid, but if could be for a pool of 50.
Wow - it was like the woman who anchored The Netherlands' mixed 4x400 relay team was shot out of a cannon down the stretch. What a race she ran. The US team ran the 3rd-fastest time ever ... but couldn't win the gold.
Quote from: MU82 on August 03, 2024, 02:06:10 PM
Wow - it was like the woman who anchored The Netherlands' mixed 4x400 relay team was shot out of a cannon down the stretch. What a race she ran. The US team ran the 3rd-fastest time ever ... but couldn't win the gold.
Even though she overcame the Americans, that last 200m by Bol was incredible.
Track team picking up where swimming left off
Quote from: MU82 on August 03, 2024, 02:06:10 PM
Wow - it was like the woman who anchored The Netherlands' mixed 4x400 relay team was shot out of a cannon down the stretch. What a race she ran. The US team ran the 3rd-fastest time ever ... but couldn't win the gold.
Not quite sure how they pick the mixed team. Those aren't our best
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 03, 2024, 04:02:09 PM
Not quite sure how they pick the mixed team. Those aren't our best
They set a world record yesterday
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 03, 2024, 04:18:11 PM
They set a world record yesterday
So? Still not our best men's or women's 400M runners
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 03, 2024, 04:41:41 PM
So? Still not our best men's or women's 400M runners
Probably because the best are running in the individual and men's/women's events.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 03, 2024, 05:56:57 PM
Probably because the best are running in the individual and men's/women's events.
femke bol did it. Shamier Little was 8th at trials
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 03, 2024, 06:07:06 PM
femke bol did it. Shamier Little was 8th at trials
Someone should be fired, I guess.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 03, 2024, 06:25:04 PM
Someone should be fired, I guess.
Or, if you are going to defend the decision to run those 4 out there,have a good reason.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 03, 2024, 06:26:16 PM
Or, if you are going to defend the decision to run those 4 out there,have a good reason.
I offered you a reason. Not my problem if you don't like it.
What a weird thing to get upset about.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 03, 2024, 06:36:56 PM
I offered you a reason. Not my problem if you don't like it.
What a weird thing to get upset about.
Not upset. Not sure why you're trying to defend it. We should present our best team.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 03, 2024, 06:40:19 PM
Not upset. Not sure why you're trying to defend it. We should present our best team.
Ask to speak with a manager.
https://www.usatf.org/contact-us
Quote from: Pakuni on August 03, 2024, 06:44:16 PM
Ask to speak with a manager.
https://www.usatf.org/contact-us
snarky comments are usually made.by those on the losing side of an argument. Typical you
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 03, 2024, 06:45:35 PM
snarky comments are usually made.by those on the losing side of an argument. Typical you
This isn't an argument.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 03, 2024, 06:40:19 PM
Not upset. Not sure why you're trying to defend it. We should present our best team.
The USATF coaches decided this was our best team to have the most overall success. What you fail to take into consideration for some reason, is 1 event is not the entirety of the team.
I would have thought most understood that.
Guys, help me out here...
Is this the best way or the worst way to get eliminated in the pole vaulting competition?
https://x.com/MattHighton/status/1819817930047062408?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: warriorchick on August 03, 2024, 09:46:29 PM
Guys, help me out here...
Is this the best way or the worst way to get eliminated in the pole vaulting competition?
https://x.com/MattHighton/status/1819817930047062408?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Cons - loss, probably in a physically painful way.
Pros - Explanation for *why* you lost probably... useful... in the olympic village.
So you know... good with the bad?
Quote from: Pakuni on August 03, 2024, 06:49:39 PM
This isn't an argument.
Yes it is.
https://youtu.be/ohDB5gbtaEQ?si=MJX8Uopvu8L9Ebue
It was cool that Trinity Rodman scored to give Team USA the win, but celebrating by shoving Scottie Pippen Jr. into the goal post was over the top.
The Djoker looks very determined today. But he's facing a badass. We'll see what happens.
Alcaraz with 8 unforced errors early. He needs to settle down a bit. Djoker in backboard mode.
Incredible ninth gane of the 1st set. 14 mins, Djoker finds a way to hold. Alcaraz is 0-8 on break point chances.
Heck of a tiebreaker by the Djoker. Alcaraz just didn't take advantage of his break point chances.
That was a heck of a performance by Novak. He deserves a ton of credit. And fortunately for him, he didn't have to listen ro Mary Carillo.
Epic match. Kudos to Djokovic - survived everything Alcaraz threw at him. That's why he's the best ever.
Quote from: MU82 on August 04, 2024, 10:12:34 AM
Epic match. Kudos to Djokovic - survived everything Alcaraz threw at him. That's why he's the best ever.
Agreed. But Carillo was a monumental disaster. Who the F says at 3-3 in the 2nd set: "Novak is 3 games away from the Gold Medal." Idiotic. And even more so since no one broke serve the entire match. She's a disaster and always has been. Get rid of her, the sport deserves better. :)
Scottie Scheffler has more golds than the entire men's swimming team.
Bonkers back nine to win.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 04, 2024, 10:25:48 AM
Agreed. But Carillo was a monumental disaster. Who the F says at 3-3 in the 2nd set: "Novak is 3 games away from the Gold Medal." Idiotic. And even more so since no one broke serve the entire match. She's a disaster and always has been. Get rid of her, the sport deserves better. :)
I am not as easily bothered by these things.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on August 04, 2024, 10:36:29 AM
Scottie Scheffler has more golds than the entire men's swimming team.
Bonkers back nine to win.
Not true
Bobby Fink put the men's team on his shoulders.
Scottie now has as many individual golds as the men's swim team.
Banned governing body that's fueling outcry on Olympic boxers has Russian ties and troubled history
https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6?
VILLEPINTE, France (AP) — Nearly 17 months ago in New Delhi, Algerian boxer Imane Khelif was disqualified from the International Boxing Association's world championships three days after she won an early-round bout with Azalia Amineva, a previously unbeaten Russian prospect.
The disqualification meant Amineva's official record was perfect again.
The IBA said Khelif and fellow boxer Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan had failed "to meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors." The governing body claimed the fighters had failed unspecified eligibility tests — the same tests that ignited a massive controversy about gender regulations and perceptions in sports this week as Khelif and Lin compete at the Paris Olympics.
The IBA's decision last year — and its curious timing, particularly related to Amineva's loss to Khelif — would have raised warning signs around the sports world if more people cared about amateur boxing, or even knew more about the IBA under president Umar Kremlev of Russia.
The entire boxing world has already learned to expect almost anything from the Russian-dominated governing body that was given the unprecedented punishment of being permanently banned from the Olympics last year. In fact, it hasn't run an Olympic boxing tournament since the Rio de Janeiro Games in 2016.
The non-boxing world largely doesn't know, however, about the IBA's decades of troubled governance and longstanding accusations of a thorough lack of normal transparency in nearly every aspect of its dealings, particularly in recent years. Many people took the IBA's proclamations about Khelif and Lin at face value while dragging the eligibility dispute into wider clashes about gender identity.
The International Olympic Committee has decades of mostly bad history with the beleaguered governing body previously known for decades as AIBA, and it has exasperatedly begged non-boxing people to pay attention to the sole source of the allegations against Khelif and Lin.
"These two athletes were the victims of a sudden and arbitrary decision by the IBA," IOC spokesman Mark Adams said this week. "Such an approach is contrary to good governance."
On Saturday, IOC President Thomas Bach said it was "totally unacceptable" the two boxers have faced what he called hate speech in a "politically motivated" uproar.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 03, 2024, 09:46:29 PM
Guys, help me out here...
Is this the best way or the worst way to get eliminated in the pole vaulting competition?
https://x.com/MattHighton/status/1819817930047062408?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://x.com/lebassett/status/1820105248607809769?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
Unbelievable ride by Kirsten Faulkner of Homer Alaska in the women's road race.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 03, 2024, 09:46:29 PM
Guys, help me out here...
Is this the best way or the worst way to get eliminated in the pole vaulting competition?
https://x.com/MattHighton/status/1819817930047062408?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I'm just trying to figure out what happened to the media emphasis on not publishing and avoiding taking images that highlight, or focus on athletes anatomy.
Apparently that doesn't apply here.
That 100m was insane.
Incredible lean by Noah. Talked a big game and backed it up. Unreal finish
That was ridiculous, wow.
Amazing race, no pun intended. I really thought Thompson had him in real time.
Watching it live I was focused on Thompson & Kerley and didn't realize that Lyles had stretched for the win until he started celebrating
USA now tied for gold with china.
USA dominating total medals.
Not sure if anyone here has watched Sprint on Netflix. Pretty good series.
Kayak cross is awesome.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on August 04, 2024, 03:04:14 PM
Incredible lean by Noah. Talked a big game and backed it up. Unreal finish
Wow. I'd still like to see a 🐆 compete, but that was entertaining
Props to Carlos Yulo.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 04, 2024, 06:33:45 PM
Wow. I'd still like to see a 🐆 compete, but that was entertaining
You must be a big Kentucky Derby fan.
Balance beam wreaked havoc on the women today.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 04, 2024, 06:46:32 PM
Props to Carlos Yulo.
I love the list of prizes and gifts (https://x.com/saintnierva/status/1819787984109191543) that he has received for winning the gold. Keep in mind, that this was before he won his second gold; I read somewhere that some of these have doubled and/or increased. There's a lot of cash, a free furnished condo, free food for life at various restaurants, and much, much more. A couple odd ones: free colonoscopy and free "engineering services."
Wow. I'm no gymnastics expert but Biles' routine is like 5 times harder than the rest.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 05, 2024, 08:24:51 AM
Wow. I'm no gymnastics expert but Biles' routine is like 5 times harder than the rest.
It's not that high, but yes. That is a large part of why she wins and is considered the best. Even with small errors her start value is much higher.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 05, 2024, 08:28:31 AM
It's not that high, but yes. That is a large part of why she wins and is considered the best. Even with small errors her start value is much higher.
The judges seemed a little harsh to me.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 05, 2024, 07:25:42 AM
No, I'm not.
So you don't actually want to see a horse compete?
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 05, 2024, 08:30:08 AM
The judges seemed a little harsh to me.
Still need to execute. She had .6 in penalties as well. Not nearly her best work
Pretty cool image.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUOTqVnXwAAFrJY?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 05, 2024, 09:10:44 AM
Pretty cool image.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUOTqVnXwAAFrJY?format=jpg&name=small)
That is a cool image. If you know anything about her story, she is a hugely impressive person who has persevered through a lot.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 05, 2024, 09:10:44 AM
Pretty cool image.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUOTqVnXwAAFrJY?format=jpg&name=small)
I loved this.
I also loved that, despite all of her accomplishments and despite it being a relatively bad day for her, Biles was genuinely thrilled for her teammate after the inquiry resulted in Chiles getting the bronze. Heck, it might have been Biles biggest moment of celebration in these Olympics.
I'm happy for Rebecca Andrade.
And yes, that is a great photo of a great moment.
Pretty awesome day of men's indoor volleyball. US looking really strong. The semifinal field is awesome. All 4 could very easily win Gold.
Another full day tomorrow on the women's side.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 05, 2024, 09:10:44 AM
Pretty cool image.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUOTqVnXwAAFrJY?format=jpg&name=small)
I hadn't seen this, but it's great. I'm glad she won a gold. She's got a great story, has been fun to watch, competed really well, and it was very clear that the American gymnasts really liked her.
I was rooting for Simone of course but didn't know the Brazilian woman's story. Regardless, I'm not sure why anyone would have an issue with the photo.
Marquette's only olympian Katherine Plouffe falls short of medal for Canada:
https://www.moosejawtoday.com/national-sports/canada-finishes-fourth-in-womens-3x3-basketball-after-bronze-medal-loss-to-the-us-9312091
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 05, 2024, 05:15:23 PM
I was rooting for Simone of course but didn't know the Brazilian woman's story. Regardless, I'm not sure why anyone would have an issue with the photo.
Who has an issue with it?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on August 05, 2024, 06:38:20 AM
Balance beam wreaked havoc on the women today.
How do they get through that without breaking their necks? That has to be the toughest gymnastics event.
Quote from: MU82 on August 05, 2024, 07:28:37 PM
Who has an issue with it?
Some cornerback on the Ravens.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 05, 2024, 08:14:13 PM
How do they get through that without breaking their necks? That has to be the toughest gymnastics event.
Definitely hard, but rings is absurdly challenging. Not as dangerous though.
I've seen people say pommel horse is the hardest though.
Regardless, I agree with them all being absurdly tough. I can't think of another sport that is that hard on the body.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 05, 2024, 08:14:13 PM
How do they get through that without breaking their necks? That has to be the toughest gymnastics event.
Lee's fall today looked really painful. If nothing else, she'll have a heck of a bruise tomorrow. But I'd have to think that's pretty minor compared to much of what they deal with. They are unbelievably tough.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 05, 2024, 08:20:58 PM
Some cornerback on the Ravens.
I would have never heard of it if you didn't say so here. Who gives a rat's rump what that dope thinks?
I'd imagine a kicker for the chiefs probably had a problem with that picture too.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on August 05, 2024, 09:20:21 PM
I'd imagine a kicker for the chiefs probably had a problem with that picture too.
This made me laugh.
Paddy Mills looks like a combination of Kobe and Wade out there. 16pts in 11 mins.
Anyone watching the recap show with Kevin Hart and Kenan Thompson?
It's funny, but not as good as the Tokyo one with Kevin and Snoop Dogg.
The "good" Josh Giddey will really help the Bulls.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 06, 2024, 09:18:39 AM
The "good" Josh Giddey will really help the Bulls.
This game has been crazy. Australia for 3 and the win?
Wow.. Heck of a shot.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 06, 2024, 08:49:33 AM
Anyone watching the recap show with Kevin Hart and Kenan Thompson?
It's funny, but not as good as the Tokyo one with Kevin and Snoop Dogg.
Yes, I watched 4 of the episodes so far. They crack each other up and the camera crew off camera which is funny in itself.
Dillon Brooks doing his best John Starks impersonation. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Timely goal for the USWNT.
I didn't realize that OT goes on forever.
Just ike the World Cup in elimination games.
My man Cole!
I cannot believe that Embiid is getting this run.
Nice to hear the USWNT dropped the 🔨.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 06, 2024, 03:44:56 PM
Nice to hear the USWNT dropped the 🔨.
There is no place for extra time in a 5 point plan.
Harrington does it back to back golds!
Wow. France beat Canada in 🏀??
Yes.
Quote from: tower912 on August 06, 2024, 05:29:41 PM
Yes.
How good do you think Wemby will be Tower? Assuming he' stays healthy.
Very.
Only time will tell if the US men's basketball team will ever find a way to get going after a couple close exhibition games.
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2024, 06:10:59 PM
Only time will tell if the US men's basketball team will ever find a way to get going after a couple close exhibition games.
As I said numerous times,
They 100% should dominate. :)
I see we're up 27 medals in the total count. But......we should be up 40+ and certainly 10+ minimum in G's. :)
Sydney McLaughlin and Femke Bol are kind of my heroes. They are so absurdly dominant in the 400 m hurdles, which is likely th most difficult race there is.
They are so impressive.
Gabby Thomas also on my hero list. So fast, Harvard Neurobiology grad. Mad respect for her.
Quote from: forgetful on August 06, 2024, 09:46:22 PM
Sydney McLaughlin and Femke Bol are kind of my heroes. They are so absurdly dominant in the 400 m hurdles, which is likely th most difficult race there is.
They are so impressive.
Gabby Thomas also on my hero list. So fast, Harvard Neurobiology grad. Mad respect for her.
Bol has been really good and already had her amazing Olympic moment, but McLaughlin is absurd. She hasn't lost the 400mH in any notable competition in 5 years. Her qualifying time for the final was a good second in front of anyone else. Its completely a 2 person race at this point.
The track and field portion, especially for the women, this Olympics has been a marketing team's dream.
Completely lost about what Lilia Vu did at the par 5 #9. She hits a perfect drive and is like 195 from the green on her 2nd shot and lays up??? She winds up about 90 yards on her 3rd shot( in the rough), hits it way past the hole, and 3 putts for a 6. There is literally no trouble at all around the green, I'm dumbfounded. WTH was her caddy telling her? Smh.
Gabby Thomas also on my hero list. So fast, Harvard Neurobiology grad. Mad respect for her.
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And my wife thinks she may be the most beautiful person on the planet.
Quote from: forgetful on August 06, 2024, 09:46:22 PM
Sydney McLaughlin and Femke Bol are kind of my heroes. They are so absurdly dominant in the 400 m hurdles, which is likely th most difficult race there is.
They are so impressive.
Gabby Thomas also on my hero list. So fast, Harvard Neurobiology grad. Mad respect for her.
I might be mistaken, but during her qualifying heat I thought the announcers said McLaughlin's 400 hurdle time was better than all her competitors 400 no hurdle time.
Crazy
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 07, 2024, 09:00:14 AM
I might be mistaken, but during her qualifying heat I thought the announcers said McLaughlin's 400 hurdle time was better than all her competitors 400 no hurdle time.
Yes, they did say that. Another amazing fact that I heard about her semifinal run was that her time (52.13) was
faster than the world record was before she broke it for the first time back 2021 (52.16). And she was clearly coasting at the end of that race.
The men's 1500m finish was exciting. The Norwegian and UK runner favorites upended by surprise American finishers.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on August 07, 2024, 09:36:22 AM
The men's 1500m finish was exciting. The Norwegian and UK runner favorites upended by surprise American finishers.
Really fascinating result. Ingebritsen and his family have been on the cutting edge of some controversial? (not quite the right word) training strategies. "Double lactate threshold training." A two-a-day interval training strategy designed to push the peak lactate threshold higher and higher. I actually knew the Ingebritsen name from this type of exercise physiology stuff and not from the 1500m, so when I saw him run the qualifying heat I actually wondered if he was one of the Ingebritsen family or if that name is just kinda a "Smith" type situation.
Anyway even without the training nerdery, heckuva race to watch.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 07, 2024, 10:30:22 AM
Really fascinating result. Ingebritsen and his family have been on the cutting edge of some controversial? (not quite the right word) training strategies. "Double lactate threshold training." A two-a-day interval training strategy designed to push the peak lactate threshold higher and higher. I actually knew the Ingebritsen name from this type of exercise physiology stuff and not from the 1500m, so when I saw him run the qualifying heat I actually wondered if he was one of the Ingebritsen family or if that name is just kinda a "Smith" type situation.
Anyway even without the training nerdery, heckuva race to watch.
Apparently he turned his dad in for abuse, and that case is ongoing. Wonder if his ego is in check now for the 5K.
That was a great race to watch, the way he came on at the end to win.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 07, 2024, 10:32:52 AM
Apparently he turned his dad in for abuse, and that case is ongoing. Wonder if his ego is in check now for the 5K.
Yeah, there's *a lot* going on in that story.
The training philosophy though is very interesting.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 07, 2024, 10:35:06 AM
Yeah, there's *a lot* going on in that story.
The training philosophy though is very interesting.
Abusive or not, there is something to be said for a guy who wasn't a world class runner himself who turned all 3 of his sons into European champions in the 1500. And who now has turned another Norwegian from a very good 5000M/CC type runner into a world contender in the 1500.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 07, 2024, 07:39:59 AM
Completely lost about what Lilia Vu did at the par 5 #9. She hits a perfect drive and is like 195 from the green on her 2nd shot and lays up??? She winds up about 90 yards on her 3rd shot( in the rough), hits it way past the hole, and 3 putts for a 6. There is literally no trouble at all around the green, I'm dumbfounded. WTH was her caddy telling her? Smh.
If you fail to understand the thought process, it would explain the high scores. She thought wedge-wedge would give her a better chance. She executed poorly.
200 all carry? Only in a scramble
Quote from: MU1in77 on August 07, 2024, 08:59:48 AM
Gabby Thomas also on my hero list. So fast, Harvard Neurobiology grad. Mad respect for her.
And my wife thinks she may be the most beautiful person on the planet.
I'm with your wife. <not literally>
Quote from: JWags85 on August 07, 2024, 10:59:13 AM
Abusive or not, there is something to be said for a guy who wasn't a world class runner himself who turned all 3 of his sons into European champions in the 1500. And who now has turned another Norwegian from a very good 5000M/CC type runner into a world contender in the 1500.
Definitely impressive. IMHO a little crazy and not sustainable for anyone who doesn't have a bit of a screw loose in the way that lots of top-level competitors do. A similar strategy (pushing VO2Max via threshold repeats) but that is much much less punishing would be something closer to what Inigo San Milan coaches his Tour de France athletes (huge volume of sub-threshold, zone 2 work + 1 or 2 sessions/wk of hardcore vo2max repeats). That might be more applicable to something with a longer distance like the Tour compared to the 1500m, but the idea of pulling 2 a days at peak VO2 output constantly makes me want to curl up in a ball.
Quote from: MU1in77 on August 07, 2024, 08:59:48 AM
Gabby Thomas also on my hero list. So fast, Harvard Neurobiology grad. Mad respect for her.
And my wife thinks she may be the most beautiful person on the planet.
That's sort of what I was getting at with the marketability angle. Obviously they are incredible admirable athletes who are killing it on the biggest stage. But even further, Gabby Thomas, McLaughlin, and Masai Russell (the US trials winner and one of the favs in the 100M hurdles) are all cover model beautiful. Certainly doesn't hurt bringing attention and advertising dollars to the track.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 07, 2024, 11:46:43 AM
Definitely impressive. IMHO a little crazy and not sustainable for anyone who doesn't have a bit of a screw loose in the way that lots of top-level competitors do. A similar strategy (pushing VO2Max via threshold repeats) but that is much much less punishing would be something closer to what Inigo San Milan coaches his Tour de France athletes (huge volume of sub-threshold, zone 2 work + 1 or 2 sessions/wk of hardcore vo2max repeats). That might be more applicable to something with a longer distance like the Tour compared to the 1500m, but the idea of pulling 2 a days at peak VO2 output constantly makes me want to curl up in a ball.
More than a little crazy for me, haha. As someone who is a former varsity CC runner who now hates running more than a mile or two (but also has gotten into alternative training ways to pump VO2 max as opposed to traditional cardio for that reason)...it sounds absolutely torturous. One of my former teammates became a decently successful D1 1500M runner and he was a bit unhinged in terms of what he'd roll with in the pursuit of running performance (especially to a civilian). The thought of what it would further go to in order to be a world class middle distance runner makes my head melt.
Men's volleyball team completely choked to Poland today.
🇵🇱
They have a Cuban guy on their team who played on the Cuban national team at one time, left to go play on a club team elsewhere so could no longer play for them, married his Polish girlfriend, became a Polish citizen in 2015, and five years later became eligible to play for their national team.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 07, 2024, 01:08:43 PM
Men's volleyball team completely choked to Poland today.
I love 🇵🇱 but that just can't happen.
Perhaps I'll have some pierogies this evening.
USA Track and Field having a great Olympics
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on August 07, 2024, 02:24:50 PM
USA Track and Field having a great Olympics
Memorable for sure.
Men's steeplechase. Wow.
Quote from: tower912 on August 07, 2024, 02:56:09 PM
Men's steeplechase. Wow.
Was just going to say the same! That's an incredible last lap.
I've run before in high school. A very difficult running event.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 07, 2024, 01:40:37 PM
I love 🇵🇱 but that just can't happen.
Why? Aren't they human?
Hall looked like he was injured at 300m but somehow just kept speeding up
Quote from: MU82 on August 07, 2024, 04:03:32 PM
Why? Aren't they human?
Everyone should celebrate Paczki Day regardless. Polish bakeries are vastly underrated as is Polahd in general.
Quote from: tower912 on August 07, 2024, 11:11:50 AM
If you fail to understand the thought process, it would explain the high scores. She thought wedge-wedge would give her a better chance. She executed poorly.
200 all carry? Only in a scramble
I respectfully disagree with you. There's a reason every commentator on the broadcast WTF'd the decision. There is no trouble around the green, just a couple of bunkers. It also wound up derailing her round. She was -4 though 8.
Re-reading your original post, I had somehow got the impression it was carry over water. Mea culpa. I think my brain defaulted from 9 to 18.
Quote from: tower912 on August 07, 2024, 07:09:20 PM
Re-reading your original post, I had somehow got the impression it was carry over water. Mea culpa. I think my brain defaulted from 9 to 18.
No worries! It was truly bizarre Tower. And to add insult to injury, she hit a 100-yard lay-up into the rough! I wonder if she was asked about it after the round? Everyone has a brain fart occasionally but for she and her caddy to make that choice? Hard to fathom.
Wow. That 400m didn't suck for Team USA. :)
Some Swiss golfer I've never heard of shot 28 on the Front 9 with two eagles.
Quote from: tower912 on August 07, 2024, 11:11:50 AM
200 all carry? Only in a scramble
See: Metraux at 18.
Quote from: tower912 on August 08, 2024, 06:54:53 AM
See: Metraux at 18.
I missed it. Nelly making a move.
Nelly truly has one of the best swings in all of golf. So smooth, with tremendous power and precision. And seemingly very little effort. It's hard to believe she was in a bit of a slump but I guess that's golf.
* WTF. I guess I jinxed her!
That women's semifinal volleyball match was unreal. Did not think the women's team had a win in them today. I thought Italy and Brazil were on a level of their own.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 08, 2024, 11:38:22 AM
That women's semifinal volleyball match was unreal. Did not think the women's team had a win in them today. I thought Italy and Brazil were on a level of their own.
Tuned in after the first set. Was incredible.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 08, 2024, 12:25:16 PM
Tuned in after the first set. Was incredible.
First set was awesome too. USA came out really hot, Brazil took a pretty decent sized lead, and then US closed it really strong.
The kid from Botswana beats the Americans - including Lyle, who apparently has Covid but is competing anyway.
Quote from: MU82 on August 08, 2024, 02:03:49 PM
The kid from Botswana beats the Americans - including Lyle, who apparently has Covid but is competing anyway.
That explains the mask he's wearing in the 200m preliminaries.
This is an unmitigated disaster
Embarrassing for Steve Kerr
Should be left in Paris and never allowed to coach in the NBA again.
McLaughlin is incredible
Quote from: wadesworld on August 08, 2024, 11:38:22 AM
That women's semifinal volleyball match was unreal. Did not think the women's team had a win in them today. I thought Italy and Brazil were on a level of their own.
The swing in the 5th set where the US put the hammer down was AMAZING. I had it on with no sound in the background while I was on a call and you could feel the energy even with it muted.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 08, 2024, 02:29:50 PM
This is an unmitigated disaster
Embarrassing for Steve Kerr
Should be left in Paris and never allowed to coach in the NBA again.
Serbia will cool down, it will be close come the second half, but the roster set-up looks bad. Derrick White has no business being on this team, much less getting run. I don't care about defense, when he's getting looks in late clock situations, its a problem.
Also, US is WAY too passive. So much standing around, Lebron is playing at half speed, they are looking for easy 3s and nothing else. Horrible game plan.
Was a super intense game of water polo, shame to lose out in the shootout.
Serbia is scorching hot right now.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 08, 2024, 02:44:44 PM
The swing in the 5th set where the US put the hammer down was AMAZING. I had it on with no sound in the background while I was on a call and you could feel the energy even with it muted.
Yeah that was incredible. I don't like Carlini because she's a Badger alum, but her defense in right back was incredible. Especially when considering she missed two pool play matches with a back injury.
Muggsy, how we doin?
What in the F is going on with Team USA 🏀????? Sweet Jesus.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 08, 2024, 03:12:55 PM
What in the F is going on with Team USA 🏀????? Sweet Jesus.
Had pasta instead of manatee for their pregame meal
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 08, 2024, 03:15:24 PM
Had pasta instead of manatee for their pregame meal
Are we getting outcoached??? I see Setbia is raining threes. WTF???
Serbia is hot. USA is not. Pretty simple.
Durant looks like he way way off today.
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 08, 2024, 02:42:52 PM
McLaughlin is incredible
She was like the difference between hurdle sets ahead of the next runner.
Quote from: tower912 on August 08, 2024, 03:20:39 PM
Serbia is hot. USA is not. Pretty simple.
Very upsetting. When I watch the replay after work I'll give my analysis. Fk.
Here they come
Kyle's wins bronze with COVID. I am not sure whether to be impressed or appalled.
Quote from: tower912 on August 08, 2024, 03:34:21 PM
Kyle's wins bronze with COVID. I am not sure whether to be impressed or appalled.
Same. I mean he was wearing a mask till the race. After maybe don't go around hugging.
Muggs can breathe easy
The boys went medieval
The big dogs delivered.
Embiid hangs with the big dogs down the stretch and delivers.
Anyone else get nervous thinking about USA bball 4 years from now?
Steph, LeBron and KD ain't gonna be there anymore
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 08, 2024, 03:53:16 PM
Anyone else get nervous thinking about USA bball 4 years from now?
Steph, LeBron and KD ain't gonna be there anymore
No.
Lot of players will be 4 years older too.
Edwards at 26 will be nuts.
Quote from: tower912 on August 08, 2024, 03:34:21 PM
Kyle's wins bronze with COVID. I am not sure whether to be impressed or appalled.
He said he was disappointed in Tokyo with the bronze but he's ecstatic with the bronze in Paris. He couldn't have asked for a much better result knowing how he's feeling and there was no way he was missing this race.
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 08, 2024, 03:53:16 PM
Anyone else get nervous thinking about USA bball 4 years from now?
Steph, LeBron and KD ain't gonna be there anymore
Not in the slightest. As PG said, you have Edwards. Assuming he can stay healthy, Embiid will be too. Then you have Banchero, Holmgren, and someone like Brandon Miller. Halliburton is only 24. Maxey is super young with a high ceiling. I'm not the biggest fan of them, but Tatum and Brown will both be 30 and in their primes.
You can lose the 3 you mentioned still have the most stacked roster in the world even if the top 5 players in the world (Wemby, Luka, Jokic, Giannis, etc...) aren't American.
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 08, 2024, 03:53:16 PM
Anyone else get nervous thinking about USA bball 4 years from now?
Steph, LeBron and KD ain't gonna be there anymore
They will have TKo and Oso.
Seriously, France should be a beast. Serbia should be back. The world is catching up. So, worried? Never. Cognizant that it should be extremely competitive and the USA might get beat? Yup. And?
Quote from: JWags85 on August 08, 2024, 04:06:14 PM
Not in the slightest. As PG said, you have Edwards. Assuming he can stay healthy, Embiid will be too. Then you have Banchero, Holmgren, and someone like Brandon Miller. Halliburton is only 24. Maxey is super young with a high ceiling. I'm not the biggest fan of them, but Tatum and Brown will both be 30 and in their primes.
Look, I'm not going to get "nervous" over anything that's four years off, but those guys are serious steps down from Lebron, Steph and KD. Mostly because none of them have really showed much on the international stage. Today they relied largely on two guys in their mid to late 30s.
There is way too much "we can just roll out the ball" type thinking here. There was a lot of it before the games even started ("we should win every game 20+"). The international competition has gotten MUCH better.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 08, 2024, 03:58:08 PM
No.
Lot of players will be 4 years older too.
Edwards at 26 will be nuts.
Whew. I'm glad they responded to my concern
:)
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 08, 2024, 04:12:36 PM
Look, I'm not going to get "nervous" over anything that's four years off, but those guys are serious steps down from Lebron, Steph and KD. Mostly because none of them have really showed much on the international stage. Today they relied largely on two guys in their mid to late 30s.
There is way too much "we can just roll out the ball" type thinking here. There was a lot of it before the games even started ("we should win every game 20+"). The international competition has gotten MUCH better.
I'll believe the USA is in trouble when they send their A teams when they actually lose a meaningful tournament with their A team.
That was fun, much more enjoyable to watch than a 24-point rout would have been. Played with a lot of heart, and the old men led.
Great sports theater.
Quote from: MU82 on August 08, 2024, 04:36:07 PM
That was fun, much more enjoyable to watch than a 24-point rout would have been. Played with a lot of heart, and the old men led.
Great sports theater.
Doesn't sound fun. I'll take a look at the replay but I'm not sure why we waited until the 4Q to go medieval/drop the hammer. The focus must be there from minute one.
I see Tatum didn't sniff the floor.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 08, 2024, 04:26:01 PM
I'll believe the USA is in trouble when they send their A teams when they actually lose a meaningful tournament with their A team.
I don't think they are necessarily in trouble, but replacing the guys who buy and large lead them today (save Embiid) with the guys Wags is mentioning doesn't sound like anything but downgrades to me. I didn't get to watch it live, but watching the fourth quarter later was watching a couple old vets whose decades of experience put a team on their back and take them down the stretch.
Is a guy like Anthony Edwards going to be that guy in four years? I have my doubts.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 08, 2024, 07:29:38 PM
I don't think they are necessarily in trouble, but replacing the guys who buy and large lead them today (save Embiid) with the guys Wags is mentioning doesn't sound like anything but downgrades to me. I didn't get to watch it live, but watching the fourth quarter later was watching a couple old vets whose decades of experience put a team on their back and take them down the stretch.
Is a guy like Anthony Edwards going to be that guy in four years? I have my doubts.
One game doesn't define 4 years from now.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 08, 2024, 07:32:13 PM
One game doesn't define 4 years from now.
LOL, what? I literally have no idea what that even means.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 08, 2024, 07:33:10 PM
LOL, what? I literally have no idea what that even means.
You're overreacting to one game.
I believe in finishing one Olympics before worrying about the next.....
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 08, 2024, 07:35:52 PM
You're overreacting to one game.
Maybe. But I knew this wasn't a "win every game by 20+" team. Increasing parity.
That being said, I think we win the gold medal game rather comfortably. 10-15 points.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 08, 2024, 07:39:23 PM
Maybe. But I knew this wasn't a "win every game by 20+" team. Increasing parity.
That being said, I think we win the gold medal game rather comfortably. 10-15 points.
I'm watching right now. Serbia hit a few shots our of their ass early, but we did not come out with the proper intensity. And defensively we gamble to a fault.
I fully expect we will have to deal with France mugging us every possession and the refs calling diddly squat. Regardless, Team USA should win by 20+ in a road environment.
Our defense was/is the fking problem. Overpressuring to a fault, which leads to wide open shots, and not adjusting whatsoever. Totally unnecessary. Stop the fking ball, clean the glass, run, and attack relentlessly. Serbia isn't a hs ymca team. Our guys gamble way, way, too much. Just play solid fundamental defense.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 08, 2024, 07:35:52 PM
You're overreacting to one game.
Didn't you want Kerr gone for a close call in an exhibition game?
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 08, 2024, 07:53:14 PM
Didn't you want Kerr gone for a close call in an exhibition game?
He also thought Pop should have been fired after the first game in Tokyo.
But yeah...I'm the one overreacting.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 08, 2024, 07:53:14 PM
Didn't you want Kerr gone for a close call in an exhibition game?
We have multiple hof coaches on our bench, including Kerr. But I'm seeing things that enrage me from a defensive standpoint among other stuff. It reminds me of Wojo to tell you the truth. If we are fundamentally sound, no team can compete with us. It's not debatable. Keep in mind that there is one guy on Serbia, minus Jokic obviously, that's a solid NBA player.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 08, 2024, 08:00:34 PM
We have multiple hof coaches on our bench, including Kerr. But I'm seeing things that enrage me from a defensive standpoint among other stuff. It reminds me of Wojo to tell you the truth. If we are fundamentally sound, no team can compete with us. It's not debatable. Keep in mind that there is one guy on Serbia, minus Jokic obviously, that's a solid NBA player.
Oooh, you're enraged. And yeah, most basketball experts compare Kerr and Wojo.
You keep getting weirder.
Quote from: Jockey on August 08, 2024, 08:28:08 PM
Oooh, you're enraged. And yeah, most basketball experts compare Kerr and Wojo.
You keep getting weirder.
We won this game solely on the talent of four great one on one players. I don't think it was a well coached game by any reasonable standard. Hopefully we put it all together vs France.
Very impressive performance from S-M-L.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 08, 2024, 09:17:57 PM
Very impressive performance from S-M-L.
She's unbelievable. She beat my PR in the 400 m (no hurdles) tonight.
For those saying, why didn't she run the mixed 4x400 m, when Bol did. Watch that race. That was more important.
Also, have to wonder how many of these athletes are running with COVID, like Lyles. Have to think Femke Bol was not healthy. She can't quite keep up with Sydney, but she is usually very close. Not tonight, so either cumulative fatigue or sick.
Quote from: forgetful on August 08, 2024, 09:46:21 PM
She's unbelievable. She beat my PR in the 400 m (no hurdles) tonight.
For those saying, why didn't she run the mixed 4x400 m, when Bol did. Watch that race. That was more important.
Also, have to wonder how many of these athletes are running with COVID, like Lyles. Have to think Femke Bol was not healthy. She can't quite keep up with Sydney, but she is usually very close. Not tonight, so either cumulative fatigue or sick.
I have no idea about the covid issues. All I know I'd that she and GT are incredibly impressive.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 08, 2024, 07:35:52 PM
You're overreacting to one game.
I think i just died from irony poisoning
"That was special," said Curry, who finished with a game-high 36 points (12-19 FG, 9-14 3PT). "This is the most fun I've had in a very long time."
"I'm 39 years old," said James, who had a triple-double (16-12-10). "I don't know how many opportunities and moments I'm going to get like this, to be able to compete for something big."
"Everybody in here is going to remember this night for the rest of their lives," said Durant, who was clutch down the stretch. "We showed how together we were in that fourth quarter."
It's nice to see three all-time greats so moved by this experience, three rivals who enjoyed working hard together for a common cause. And trom a fan's standpoint, that was a hell of a fourth quarter to watch. Sports drama doesn't get much better than that.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 08, 2024, 11:13:31 PM
I think i just died from irony poisoning
;D "Wisdom" from the guy who goes completely bonkers over the performance of the US team. We should win every game by 20+ points. And that's conservative. Uh huh.
Quote from: forgetful on August 08, 2024, 09:46:21 PM
She's unbelievable. She beat my PR in the 400 m (no hurdles) tonight.
For those saying, why didn't she run the mixed 4x400 m, when Bol did. Watch that race. That was more important.
Also, have to wonder how many of these athletes are running with COVID, like Lyles. Have to think Femke Bol was not healthy. She can't quite keep up with Sydney, but she is usually very close. Not tonight, so either cumulative fatigue or sick.
Incredible performance, but the crown was a bit much, IMO
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 09, 2024, 08:02:49 AM
Incredible performance, but the crown was a bit much, IMO
LOL. Who cares.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 09, 2024, 08:02:49 AM
Incredible performance, but the crown was a bit much, IMO
She's an incredible athlete. I think if you haven't lost a race for 5 years, it wasn't too egregious lawdog. She has serious zoomability and is clutch as hell. Now all that said, it would be fun to watch a young gazelle partake in that event. :)
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 09, 2024, 08:01:47 AM
;D "Wisdom" from the guy who goes completely bonkers over the performance of the US team. We should win every game by 20+ points. And that's conservative. Uh huh.
Both of you are making false comparisons. I never go "bonkers" about the Marquette team 4 years in the future. We're also talking about top American NBA players and their ability to reload down the road.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 09, 2024, 08:10:50 AM
She's an incredible athlete. I think if you haven't lost a race for 5 years, it wasn't too egregious lawdog. She has serious zoomability and is clutch as hell. Now all that said, it would be fun to watch a young gazelle partake in that event. :)
It would just wander off the track and start nibbling on grass.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 09, 2024, 08:18:59 AM
It would just wander off the track and start nibbling on grass.
They could be trained.and have elite speed and hops Brew. No pun intended. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 09, 2024, 08:18:32 AM
Both of you are making false comparisons. I never go "bonkers" about the Marquette team 4 years in the future. We're also talking about top American NBA players and their ability to reload down the road.
Your game-time posts are usually filled with hyperbolic nonsense.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 09, 2024, 08:28:23 AM
Your game-time posts are usually filled with hyperbolic nonsense.
Not true. But you're an excellent driveler Fluffy on a wide range of topics.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 09, 2024, 08:08:42 AM
LOL. Who cares.
In the grand scheme of things, its not a big deal. It was just odd seeing props (other than the nation's flag) being worn by the winner. Especially how long it took to put on and doing it right next to a desolate Bol.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 09, 2024, 08:31:53 AM
In the grand scheme of things, its not a big deal. It was just odd seeing props (other than the nation's flag) being worn by the winner. Especially how long it took to put on and doing it right next to a desolate Bol.
She should run faster then.
The ladies are playing some solid golf. Should ne a great finish tomorrow.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 09, 2024, 08:02:49 AM
Incredible performance, but the crown was a bit much, IMO
While I don't disagree, we commented as it was happening that it wasn't really her style. The person gave it to her and she didn't put it on. Then her husband put it on her head for a picture and she immediately took it off. He called her back and put it on again and she wore it. The broadcast shifted focus to the upcoming men's race pretty quickly after that, so it's hard to know how long she wore it. We kind of got the feeling that she wasn't totally into it, but others were encouraging her to wear it.
It was absolutely amazing how she pulled away between the 7th and 8th hurdle. I was getting nervous because Bol was pretty much right with her (and we'd seen how well Bol closed the other night), but then over the course of the 35 meters between 7 and 8, she just left her in the dust.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 09, 2024, 08:31:53 AM
In the grand scheme of things, its not a big deal. It was just odd seeing props (other than the nation's flag) being worn by the winner. Especially how long it took to put on and doing it right next to a desolate Bol.
She absolutely did
not put the crown on right next to the desolate Bol. It was handed to her when she was next to Bol, but she did not put it on until later when she was with her family. I also note that she didn't even have it in her hand when she posed for the obligatory photo with the clock showing the WR.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 09, 2024, 10:32:52 AM
It was absolutely amazing how she pulled away between the 7th and 8th hurdle. I was getting nervous because Bol was pretty much right with her (and we'd seen how well Bol closed the other night), but then over the course of the 35 meters between 7 and 8, she just left her in the dust.
See, I disagree. Entering the final turn (much less the final straight), not only did she make up the stagger on Bol, she looked EFFORTLESS. Cockrell in lane 8 ended up finishing strong, but comparing her to SML was wild. She was visibly PUSHING and straining through the final turn, and SML was gliding at that point, she clearly had so much in the tank. Absolutely wild and incredible performance.
The women need to teach the men how to run a proper 4x100. The fact they haven't been able to win this in 24 years is just mind blowing.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 09, 2024, 12:26:33 PM
See, I disagree. Entering the final turn (much less the final straight), not only did she make up the stagger on Bol, she looked EFFORTLESS.
I'm not sure where we disagree (unless you're just saying you weren't nervous). I said Bol was "pretty much right with her" and that SML "left her in the dust" between H7 and H8 (which is the final turn). We seem to agree.
Heading into the final turn (i.e,. H5), SML was only
barely ahead - they were both over H5 at the same time with SML only slightly ahead. SML was still only slightly ahead on H6. She gained a bit between H6 and H7. Then she just effortlessly ran away from Bol between H7 and H8.
I'm not suggesting that I was right to be nervous...obviously I wasn't. I don't follow track and field very closely and all I knew of Bol was her amazing comeback in the 4x400 when she made up a seemingly impossible deficit on the home stretch. So, when she was just a fraction of a step behind SML about halfway through the final turn, I admittedly got a little nervous. Even the announcer before the race thought SML would blow her away on the back stretch (i.e., H2-H5), but she really didn't pull away until the latter part of the final turn. But when she did pull away...wow. And yes, it did look effortless.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 09, 2024, 12:55:18 PM
The women need to teach the men how to run a proper 4x100. The fact they haven't been able to win this in 24 years is just mind blowing.
We should take our four best sprinters that didn't make this Olympics and have them just work as a team. You can't tell me there aren't 4 sprinters who were NCAA elite that could be consistently competitive if they just mastered the handoffs.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 09, 2024, 01:25:36 PM
I'm not sure where we disagree (unless you're just saying you weren't nervous). I said Bol was "pretty much right with her" and that SML "left her in the dust" between H7 and H8 (which is the final turn). We seem to agree.
Heading into the final turn (i.e,. H5), SML was only barely ahead - they were both over H5 at the same time with SML only slightly ahead. SML was still only slightly ahead on H6. She gained a bit between H6 and H7. Then she just effortlessly ran away from Bol between H7 and H8.
I'm not suggesting that I was right to be nervous...obviously I wasn't. I don't follow track and field very closely and all I knew of Bol was her amazing comeback in the 4x400 when she made up a seemingly impossible deficit on the home stretch. So, when she was just a fraction of a step behind SML about halfway through the final turn, I admittedly got a little nervous. Even the announcer before the race thought SML would blow her away on the back stretch (i.e., H2-H5), but she really didn't pull away until the latter part of the final turn. But when she did pull away...wow. And yes, it did look effortless.
Fair play. Not that I firmly disagreed with you, it was more just a reflection of how effortless SML looked and how when they showed her midway through the race it just gave a feeling of "my god, she's gonna smoke everyone this final 200.
Unrelated, but still in the track realm, lost in all the Noah Lyles buzz and COVID discussion, Botswana's Letsile Tebogo won the 200M. Not only the first African to win the 200M, but Botswana's first Olympic gold medal period. And unlike many stars from around the world in T&F, he didn't move to the US to run NCAA track and make a big leap there, entirely homegrown. Truly remarkable.
As Ive mentioned, my company has a tie-in/JV with a group from Botswana now. This achievment is kind of representative of the amazing strides Botswana has taken in the last 25-30 years and really represents the ideal kind of development and movement into the future for the region. Our partner in the project is a former collegiate squash champion in the US and accomplished on the world stage in the sport, so he became a sports ambassador for the country for quite some time. He's known Letsile since he was a teen so he was over the moon yesterday. Really cool stuff for someone who is only 21 and has a bright future ahead.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 09, 2024, 01:26:53 PM
We should take our four best sprinters that didn't make this Olympics and have them just work as a team. You can't tell me there aren't 4 sprinters who were NCAA elite that could be consistently competitive if they just mastered the handoffs.
The Americans ran a better time in the semis yesterday than what won the gold today. Perhaps they should have stuck with that group. I believe Bednarek was the only addition and that's where it got f*cked up.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 09, 2024, 01:57:13 PM
The Americans ran a better time in the semis yesterday than what won the gold today. Perhaps they should have stuck with that group. I believe Bednarek was the only addition and that's where it got f*cked up.
Bednarek took off so so early
I watched both men and women back to back for the first time.
Both teams struggled with handoffs
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 09, 2024, 03:14:11 PM
Bednarek took off so so early
I watched both men and women back to back for the first time.
Both teams struggled with handoffs
I would be curiois to know how much time is shaven off by perfect handoffs
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 09, 2024, 03:26:17 PM
I would be curiois to know how much time is shaven off by perfect handoffs
Grab the baton!!! Smh.
Lydia looks like she's in total control.heading to the back 9.
Complete disaster for Rose on 9.
That course knows who the Americans are and treats them accordingly.
Quote from: tower912 on August 10, 2024, 08:13:57 AM
That course knows who the Americans are and treats them accordingly.
Ya....that looked like a brutal roll off the fairway on Nelly"s drive. :(
Quote from: JWags85 on August 09, 2024, 12:26:33 PM
See, I disagree. Entering the final turn (much less the final straight), not only did she make up the stagger on Bol, she looked EFFORTLESS. Cockrell in lane 8 ended up finishing strong, but comparing her to SML was wild. She was visibly PUSHING and straining through the final turn, and SML was gliding at that point, she clearly had so much in the tank. Absolutely wild and incredible performance.
Dumb question - do 400m hurdlers count steps? I assume not given the endurance variability from the first hurdle to the last, but I was explaining three stepping and switching legs to someone while watching the 110m, and they asked about the 400m and I didn't know for sure.
Yes, they absolutely count steps. Edwin Moses, probably the greatest 400m hurdler of all time, broke down each part of the event, including the number of steps, the lean going into and coming out of each turn, even the placement of the feet within the lane (hint, if you run to the left of the lane all the way around the track you save several meters of distance). Moses says it's best to use an odd number of steps between each hurdle to keep the good rhythm and lead with the same foot over each hurdle. He, in fact, used 13 steps between each hurdle (the foot that you land on is not counted as a step). Sorry if I'm geeking out on this, but I find the 400m race and the mechanics behind it fascinating.
... back to your regular 2024 Paris Olympics programming ...
SCE
Unfortunate that Charley Hull had a disaster first round. Played well the rest of the tournament . A very colorful personality . Olympics banned her from
Smoking during the tournament
Quote from: SoCalEagle on August 10, 2024, 09:57:23 AM
Yes, they absolutely count steps. Edwin Moses, probably the greatest 400m hurdler of all time, broke down each part of the event, including the number of steps, the lean going into and coming out of each turn, even the placement of the feet within the lane (hint, if you run to the left of the lane all the way around the track you save several meters of distance). Moses says it's best to use an odd number of steps between each hurdle to keep the good rhythm and lead with the same foot over each hurdle. He, in fact, used 13 steps between each hurdle (the foot that you land on is not counted as a step). Sorry if I'm geeking out on this, but I find the 400m race and the mechanics behind it fascinating.
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I believe Rai switches from 13 steps to 12 steps along the last few hurdles as he prefers to open his stride and accelerate at the end of races.
I think Warholm may do something similar, but his bad hurdle towards the end was partially the result of fatigue and being too far away from the hurdle compared to normal.
Quote from: forgetful on August 10, 2024, 10:07:00 AM
I believe Rai switches from 13 steps to 12 steps along the last few hurdles as he prefers to open his stride and accelerate at the end of races.
I think Warholm may do something similar, but his bad hurdle towards the end was partially the result of fatigue and being too far away from the hurdle compared to normal.
Sydney McLaughlin does the opposite. 14 steps until the last couple hurdles and switches to 15.
https://www.nbcolympics.com/news/typical-fashion-sydney-mclaughlin-levrone-defends-olympic-crown-world-record#:~:text=And%20she%20owns%20seven%20of,steps%20between%20the%20last%20three.
(https://www.nbcolympics.com/news/typical-fashion-sydney-mclaughlin-levrone-defends-olympic-crown-world-record#:~:text=And%20she%20owns%20seven%20of,steps%20between%20the%20last%20three.)
Kipchoge DNF in the marathon. Wild. Glad I stayed up for it.
Thrilling 4x400 - great handoffs by the US men, and a tremendous anchor leg by Rai. Wow!
Quote from: MU82 on August 10, 2024, 02:10:23 PM
Thrilling 4x400 - great handoffs by the US men, and a tremendous anchor leg by Rai. Wow!
Incredible performance once again by S-M-L. She essentially introduced the rest of the field to darkness halfway through the 2nd leg. :)
It's time for Team USA Men's 🏀 to play a complete game and drop the 🔨 vs the French.
Congrats to the USWNT!
Congrats to USWNT for winning the gold by beating Brasil and Marta in her final game ever! Was nervous at the end. Amazing saves by the goalie.
Yay USWNT!!👏
Refs trying to keep France in the game. Three absolutely absurd calls the final 4 mins of the 1st half.
Total loss of poise by Team USA after being in complete control. Value the basketball.
Unconscionable turns from Team USA. Lazy, and a total lack of focus. Deal with the physicality by attacking downhill.
Curry saved the day. I have zero respect for the FIBA refs or the hack fest by this French team. Wemby was terrific, as well as Yambusele, but if this game was officiated competently, we would have won by 20+ That said I respect the game Serbia played vs us.
Too bad the team failed by not winning every game by 20+. Should refuse their medals.
Yeah, some silly turnovers but that game was freaking great. Incredible theater.
Muggs may disagree but its way better when the US doesn't coast to a gold.
Gutsy performance by our plucky young lads on the hardcourt.
Curry is the greatest.
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 10, 2024, 04:28:42 PM
Yeah, some silly turnovers but that game was freaking great. Incredible theater.
Muggs may disagree but its way better when the US doesn't coast to a gold.
I respectfully disagree. Although it was fun to watch Curry ginsu those hacks. I don't mind physicality, but there's a difference between that and what I saw out there. There's for example a no biggie moving screen vs acting like offensive lineman. If they called it the same way for both teams I wouldn't care, but they didn't. They did everything they could to keep France in the game, and then we had that stretch of ridiculous turns. I would have preferred to win by 25 and a fair whistle.
Quote from: forgetful on August 10, 2024, 04:35:19 PM
Curry is the greatest.
There is no game plan to stop Steph when he's feeling it.
Quote from: MU82 on August 10, 2024, 04:34:25 PM
Gutsy performance by our plucky young lads on the hardcourt.
Tatum shouldn't have played btw. I wonder why he sucked so badly in this Olympics? Fatigue?
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 10, 2024, 04:44:24 PM
Tatum shouldn't have played btw. I wonder why he sucked so badly in this Olympics? Fatigue?
Because the other guys on the team that played minutes are better than him.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 10, 2024, 05:09:24 PM
Because the other guys on the team that played minutes are better than him.
He's the 10th best player on that team? Wasn't he 1st team All-NBA? If he isn't as good as all of those guys Mazzulla should get more recognition
Wemby is going to be a beast assuming he gains some weight/strength. It probably will happen in '25-26.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 10, 2024, 04:19:07 PM
Curry saved the day. I have zero respect for the FIBA refs or the hack fest by this French team. Wemby was terrific, as well as Yambusele, but if this game was officiated competently, we would have won by 20+ That said I respect the game Serbia played vs us.
Good teams react to the way the game is called. We did and that's why we have gold!
Great game by a great team.
If the French draft pick from this year pan out plus wemby they'll be really really good.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 10, 2024, 05:27:43 PM
He's the 10th best player on that team? Wasn't he 1st team All-NBA? If he isn't as good as all of those guys Mazzulla should get more recognition
Wemby is going to be a beast assuming he gains some weight/strength. It probably will happen in '25-26.
He's very good but when your other 3s/wing scorers are KD (whose game is absolutely perfect for Olympic ball) and Lebron, yea he's not as good as them. Who is he taking minutes from? He'd get killed defensively guarding the 4, and playing him at the 2 for a few minutes here or there ruins the rotation with your better 2s. Tatum is really but he lost out on minutes to first ballot HOFers
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 10, 2024, 04:23:04 PM
Too bad the team failed by not winning every game by 20+. Should refuse their medals.
Men's national team playing Sr. Thomas?
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 10, 2024, 05:27:43 PM
He's the 10th best player on that team? Wasn't he 1st team All-NBA? If he isn't as good as all of those guys Mazzulla should get more recognition
Wemby is going to be a beast assuming he gains some weight/strength. It probably will happen in '25-26.
FFS can't you just enjoy something without asking a million lame questions? That was an all time memorable basketball moment. Who gives two sh*ts about how much Jayson Tatum played.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 10, 2024, 09:24:01 PM
FFS can't you just enjoy something without asking a million lame questions? That was an all time memorable basketball moment. Who gives two sh*ts about how much Jayson Tatum played.
Obviously, the answer is no. Nervous Nellie wants
constant attention.
Great game, and kudos to France for an impressive performance.
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Just turned on the game - surprised to see US women's team only up 2 with just 20 pts late in 2Q.
Quote from: MU82 on August 11, 2024, 09:02:39 AM
Just turned on the game - surprised to see US women's team only up 2 with just 20 pts late in 2Q.
Playing awful. Ton of turnovers and giving up offensive rebounds.
France's pressure on the perimeter is the difference. Speeding up the U.S.
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 11, 2024, 09:09:50 AM
Playing awful. Ton of turnovers and giving up offensive rebounds.
That was a brutal 1st hand pbi. Very surprising in light of their past performances. Move the fking basketball and settle down. Way too much iso garbage.
Making 2 foot shots would also help.
Yikes.
Is Wojo coaching the US?
This is bad. It might be time to wake the F up.
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 11, 2024, 09:29:55 AM
Is Wojo coaching the US?
I was thinking the same thing!! WTF?
Momentum just shifted after pbi got upset.
Problems. Stewart and Young have been brutal.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 11, 2024, 09:34:05 AM
Momentum just shifted after pbi got upset.
I will gratefully accept the gold.
Not quite the same as KD'd toe on the line 3.
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 11, 2024, 10:22:09 AM
I will gratefully accept the gold.
We were very fortunate and thankfully you got us the win.
Great game, and once again an impressive performance by France. It is becoming easier to understand he NBA 's French selections in the draft. Just kidding about that, but damn they gave the US a couple of tough games. I would rather have the two wins that had to be earned than the 25+ point blowout that Mr. Darkness wanted last night.
I really enjoyed the game, loved that a talented U.S. team had to work so hard to earn that gold medal. So much drama and such a gut-check.
They got major contributions from some who hadn't played much, especially Kahleah Copper. Sometimes that's what it takes even for great teams like this to win.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 11, 2024, 10:37:11 AM
Great game, and once again an impressive performance by France. It is becoming easier to understand he NBA 's French selections in the draft. Just kidding about that, but damn they gave the US a couple of tough games. I would rather have the two wins that had to be earned than the 25+ point blowout that Mr. Darkness wanted last night.
Very poor analysis.. No rational person would say this was "a great game". It was poorly played by both teams on a myriad of levels. A competitive game doesn't make it " a great game". It was a heavy dose of poor fundamentals, coaching, execution, and shot making. The USA missed about 15 chippies, kicked the ball away, and shot an abysmal percentage. They were very fortunate pbi saved them. And the game also could have used Caitlin Clark. It was asinine she didn't make the team and not based on her name, but her game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 11, 2024, 01:20:00 PM
Very poor analysis.. No rational person would say this was "a great game". It was poorly played by both teams on a myriad of levels. A competitive game doesn't make it " a great game". It was a heavy dose of poor fundamentals, coaching, execution, and shot making. The USA missed about 15 chippies, kicked the ball away, and shot an abysmal percentage. They were very fortunate pbi saved them. And the game also could have used Caitlin Clark. It was asinine she didn't make the team and not based on her name, but her game.
IMO, Clark would have had double digit turnovers versus this French defense
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 11, 2024, 01:20:00 PM
Very poor analysis.. No rational person would say this was "a great game". It was poorly played by both teams on a myriad of levels. A competitive game doesn't make it " a great game". It was a heavy dose of poor fundamentals, coaching, execution, and shot making. The USA missed about 15 chippies, kicked the ball away, and shot an abysmal percentage. They were very fortunate pbi saved them. And the game also could have used Caitlin Clark. It was asinine she didn't make the team and not based on her name, but her game.
You're boatloads of fun, Muggs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 11, 2024, 01:20:00 PM
Very poor analysis.. No rational person would say this was "a great game". It was poorly played by both teams on a myriad of levels. A competitive game doesn't make it " a great game". It was a heavy dose of poor fundamentals, coaching, execution, and shot making. The USA missed about 15 chippies, kicked the ball away, and shot an abysmal percentage. They were very fortunate pbi saved them. And the game also could have used Caitlin Clark. It was asinine she didn't make the team and not based on her name, but her game.
The funniest part of your post is you challenging
anyone in regard to rationality. ;D That's
rich! ;D
As usual, you focused on the negatives, on how the teams failed your very lofty, strict standards, how the refs tried to give the game to the French, how your analysis is perfect and anyone who disagrees with you is, by definition wrong, that we should have won by a much larger margin, etc. ;D
Quote from: MU82 on August 11, 2024, 11:53:03 AM
I really enjoyed the game, loved that a talented U.S. team had to work so hard to earn that gold medal. So much drama and such a gut-check.
They got major contributions from some who hadn't played much, especially Kahleah Copper. Sometimes that's what it takes even for great teams like this to win.
Hey, Muggsy disagrees with us. I'll delete my post if you agree to delete yours. Deal?
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 11, 2024, 01:20:00 PM
Very poor analysis.. No rational person would say this was "a great game". It was poorly played by both teams on a myriad of levels. A competitive game doesn't make it " a great game". It was a heavy dose of poor fundamentals, coaching, execution, and shot making. The USA missed about 15 chippies, kicked the ball away, and shot an abysmal percentage. They were very fortunate pbi saved them. And the game also could have used Caitlin Clark. It was asinine she didn't make the team and not based on her name, but her game.
You must not have watched much women's basketball in your life. There are a lot of turnovers and a lot of misses on what NBA players would almost never miss.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 11, 2024, 02:00:49 PM
Hey, Muggsy disagrees with us. I'll delete my post if you agree to delete yours. Deal?
Nah. More fun driving Muggsy mad!
Quote from: wadesworld on August 11, 2024, 02:01:13 PM
You must not have watched much women's basketball in your life. There are a lot of turnovers and a lot of misses on what NBA players would almost never miss.
Yea, it's just a different brand of basketball. Playing fully below the rim means many more missed no footers, less brute physical strength means more fumbled/missed passes especially down court or whipped cross court, and there are more missed long jumpers. It just is what it is. Sometimes it's sloppy and bad, sure, but comparing it to an elite NBA game to deem it a certain way is a fools errand.
I thought the first half was pretty brutal basketball. Some good defense, sure, but grinding to a 50 point first half is ugly. But the second half was really good, competitive awesome basketball
Quote from: JWags85 on August 11, 2024, 02:25:27 PM
Yea, it's just a different brand of basketball. Playing fully below the rim means many more missed no footers, less brute physical strength means more fumbled/missed passes especially down court or whipped cross court, and there are more missed long jumpers. It just is what it is. Sometimes it's sloppy and bad, sure, but comparing it to an elite NBA game to deem it a certain way is a fools errand.
I thought the first half was pretty brutal basketball. Some good defense, sure, but grinding to a 50 point first half is ugly. But the second half was really good, competitive awesome basketball
Ty JWags for your honest analysis. I don't watch a ton of women's hoops, but I've seen enough to know that the 1st half was utterly brutal/horrific basketball. Sloppy, unorganized, flat out atrocious, and difficult to watch. The 2nd half was better for sure. . That said, in prior games USA shot a much, much, higher percentage, and didn't look like they had never seen ball pressure before.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 11, 2024, 01:20:00 PM
Very poor analysis.. No rational person would say this was "a great game". It was poorly played by both teams on a myriad of levels. A competitive game doesn't make it " a great game". It was a heavy dose of poor fundamentals, coaching, execution, and shot making. The USA missed about 15 chippies, kicked the ball away, and shot an abysmal percentage. They were very fortunate pbi saved them. And the game also could have used Caitlin Clark. It was asinine she didn't make the team and not based on her name, but her game.
Arike Ogubowale is the player sitting at home with the biggest gripe.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 11, 2024, 06:26:50 PM
Arike Ogubowale is the player sitting at home with the biggest gripe.
Yep. And she's super fun to watch too. Wish she would have been there.
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A good show. One that is going to linger for a bit because of the Jordan Chiles controversy.
I don't think I have enjoyed an Olympics that much in decades. I love how NBC approached these games, outside of the celebrity shots. I truly don't care that Tom Cruise was in the stands watching WBB.
But that's just a small complaint from what I thought was a very nice production.
Gold Zone was a banger show. They should have repeated it at night too so I could catch it after work.
At breakfast yesterday we were talking about the Games, and agreed that they were most enjoyable, helped by the fact we were watching lots of stuff live. Made me wish I had gone, don't know why I didn't really, other than inertia.. they did a great job integrating Paris into the Games.
After 2010 and the way the IOC treated President Barack Obama and the U.S. delegation advocating for Chicago for the 2016 Olympics, I swore I would never again watch the Olympics. Sadly, my wife didn't take the same vow, so one of the televisions in our home covered the Olympics in those years.
She watched this year and I got sucked in every now and then. The two races I loved were the 100 meter dash and the women's bicycle road race. Snoop Dogg was cute too.
But all-in-all, I found myself in another room watching pre-season football rather than the Olympics. It's more interesting and at least the creepy old men who run the NFL are OUR creepy old men (ahem... Jerry Jones), not a bunch of entitled European oligarchs hanging on to the last vestige of power.
I'll come back when either the Olympic Summer Games rights its wrong and comes to Chicago or when NASCAR becomes a sanctioned Olympic sport. I aint holding my breath on either!
I agree with these posts. I have watched 25 Olympics and this was easily the most enjoyable. From start to finish.
Both the city of Paris and NBC did an outstanding job. It was a very joyous 2 weeks.
I am definitely the anti-Muggsy when it comes to watching the games. For me, the competition is everything. I am not there to watch the US destroy the world. Most athletes know that they have a zero chance to win a medal, yet their effort is as great as the winners
Quote from: Jockey on August 12, 2024, 09:07:45 AM
I agree with these posts. I have watched 25 Olympics and this was easily the most enjoyable. From start to finish.
Both the city of Paris and NBC did an outstanding job. It was a very joyous 2 weeks.
I am definitely the anti-Muggsy when it comes to watching the games. For me, the competition is everything. I am not there to watch the US destroy the world. Most athletes know that they have a zero chance to win a medal, yet their effort is as great as the winners
Yes. The men's game was legendary for what Steph did at the end. A blow out doesn't provide that.
By the way, that game did huge ratings. On a Saturday afternoon in August!
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 12, 2024, 09:05:33 AM
After 2010 and the way the IOC treated President Barack Obama and the U.S. delegation advocating for Chicago for the 2016 Olympics, I swore I would never again watch the Olympics. Sadly, my wife didn't take the same vow, so one of the televisions in our home covered the Olympics in those years.
She watched this year and I got sucked in every now and then. The two races I loved were the 100 meter dash and the women's bicycle road race. Snoop Dogg was cute too.
But all-in-all, I found myself in another room watching pre-season football rather than the Olympics. It's more interesting and at least the creepy old men who run the NFL are OUR creepy old men (ahem... Jerry Jones), not a bunch of entitled European oligarchs hanging on to the last vestige of power.
I'll come back when either the Olympic Summer Games rights its wrong and comes to Chicago or when NASCAR becomes a sanctioned Olympic sport. I aint holding my breath on either!
Your loss.
Of course the IOC is corrupt and the Olympics have issues, but at the end of the day it's still cool as hell to see the world's fastest/strongest/whatever-est exhibit the absolute peaks of human performance every once in a while. Both of these things can coexist.
Bring on LA.
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 12, 2024, 09:05:33 AM
But all-in-all, I found myself in another room watching pre-season football rather than the Olympics. It's more interesting and at least the creepy old men who run the NFL are OUR creepy old men (ahem... Jerry Jones), not a bunch of entitled European oligarchs hanging on to the last vestige of power.
I'll come back when either the Olympic Summer Games rights its wrong and comes to Chicago or when NASCAR becomes a sanctioned Olympic sport. I aint holding my breath on either!
Time to bring back the guillotine? The French probably still have a blueprint on how to build one.
I thought you were going to watch NASCAR races during the Olympics. Spectators often suffer neck injuries from pivoting their heads while watching the cars go by a couple of hundred times.
I respect what you are saying dgies, but I think you are pissing into the wind.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 12, 2024, 09:50:21 AM
Time to bring back the guillotine? The French probably still have a blueprint on how to build one.
I thought you were going to watch NASCAR races during the Olympics. Spectators often suffer neck injuries from pivoting their heads while watching the cars go by a couple of hundred times.
I respect what you are saying dgies, but I think you are pissing into the wind.
NASCAR took two weekends off for the Olympics FWIW.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 12, 2024, 09:55:25 AM
NASCAR took two weekends off for the Olympics FWIW.
Isn't that because NBC holds the media rights for this part of their season?
Quote from: Pakuni on August 12, 2024, 10:00:06 AM
Isn't that because NBC holds the media rights for this part of their season?
Yes
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 12, 2024, 09:55:25 AM
NASCAR took two weekends off for the Olympics FWIW.
Well, now you know that I have
zero interest in NASCAR. But clips of the crashes are pretty cool, as long as no one is injured.
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 12, 2024, 09:05:33 AM
After 2010 and the way the IOC treated President Barack Obama and the U.S. delegation advocating for Chicago for the 2016 Olympics, I swore I would never again watch the Olympics. Sadly, my wife didn't take the same vow, so one of the televisions in our home covered the Olympics in those years.
She watched this year and I got sucked in every now and then. The two races I loved were the 100 meter dash and the women's bicycle road race. Snoop Dogg was cute too.
But all-in-all, I found myself in another room watching pre-season football rather than the Olympics. It's more interesting and at least the creepy old men who run the NFL are OUR creepy old men (ahem... Jerry Jones), not a bunch of entitled European oligarchs hanging on to the last vestige of power.
I'll come back when either the Olympic Summer Games rights its wrong and comes to Chicago or when NASCAR becomes a sanctioned Olympic sport. I aint holding my breath on either!
The rules at the time Chicago attempted to get them would've been a disaster for the city. If Chicago made a bid now I think they'd be extremely well done (despite the leadership) as we have enough massive college/pro stadiums within short bussing distance and an impending new stadium coming.
I don't think it's worth doing some type of boycott though, at the end of the day it kind of seems like a reaching for an excuse to not watch sports that you're not traditionally interested in kind of like my "super patriotic" FIL saying he was boycotting because the opening games... that he didn't watch.
Quote from: Jockey on August 12, 2024, 09:07:45 AM
I agree with these posts. I have watched 25 Olympics and this was easily the most enjoyable. From start to finish.
Both the city of Paris and NBC did an outstanding job. It was a very joyous 2 weeks.
I am definitely the anti-Muggsy when it comes to watching the games. For me, the competition is everything. I am not there to watch the US destroy the world. Most athletes know that they have a zero chance to win a medal, yet their effort is as great as the winners
I actually surprised myself how much of these Olympics I watched. Definitely my most ever, and I liked almost everything I saw. Didn't watch either the opening or closing ceremonies, though; just not my thing. But I'm glad those who did enjoyed them.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 12, 2024, 07:52:51 AM
I don't think I have enjoyed an Olympics that much in decades. I love how NBC approached these games, outside of the celebrity shots. I truly don't care that Tom Cruise was in the stands watching WBB.
But that's just a small complaint from what I thought was a very nice production.
Time Zone is also always the elephant in the room production/viewing wise for the US. Paris time allowed a bunch of prime time/night time events in France to be shown live mid/late afternoon here, and then replays for actual prime time in the US. Its so much harder when its taking place in Asia/Oceania.
Quote from: Warriors4ever on August 12, 2024, 08:38:21 AM
At breakfast yesterday we were talking about the Games, and agreed that they were most enjoyable, helped by the fact we were watching lots of stuff live. Made me wish I had gone, don't know why I didn't really, other than inertia.. they did a great job integrating Paris into the Games.
The marathon ending with Les Invalides in the backdrop was AWESOME. Reminiscent of 2010 ending down the Mall in London. So much cooler than the "traditional" marathon ending with a lap around the Olympic Stadium. Paris is an amazing aesthetic city, anything less than featuring it as much as possible would be a crime, and they certainly did it justice.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 12, 2024, 09:28:04 AM
Of course the IOC is corrupt and the Olympics have issues, but at the end of the day it's still cool as hell to see the world's fastest/strongest/whatever-est exhibit the absolute peaks of human performance every once in a while. Both of these things can coexist.
Bring on LA.
Exactly. Its the same as FIFA and the World Cup. At the end of the day, pushback against it, while understandable, hurts the athletes more than the fat cats profiting off corruption, the Olympics even moreso.
Its fun to have an event where the vast majority of Americans bind together and get patriotic and forget tribal divides of politics (outside of nonsense social media) or professional/collegiate sport affiliation, and go all in.
Also, while I don't totally agree with Jockey cause I love watching Americans succeed at the games, seeing the individual excellence from non-Olympic mainstay countries is awesome. There have been multiple articles about it, but success at the Olympics for them can be truly life changing. I mentioned my colleague from Bostwana, but plenty of athletes can see a medal (even in a "lesser" sport or event) completely change their family's life financially and otherwise. And thats amazing to see.
I was just at an event in Jakarta the first week of the Olympics and there was a former badminton medalist who might as well have been Lebron the way people reacted to him. There is also a speed climber from Indonesia who won gold who they mentioned is basically gonna have a bidding war from the Indo jewelry chains for spokesperson work for watches and such. I'm sure it would make people gripe about capitalism or whatnot, but I rather view it as years of sacrifice and long odds (not in a specially formulated feeder system for Olympic sports like the US/China/Australia) culminating in true generational change for some people.
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 12, 2024, 09:05:33 AM
After 2010 and the way the IOC treated President Barack Obama and the U.S. delegation advocating for Chicago for the 2016 Olympics, I swore I would never again watch the Olympics. Sadly, my wife didn't take the same vow, so one of the televisions in our home covered the Olympics in those years.
She watched this year and I got sucked in every now and then. The two races I loved were the 100 meter dash and the women's bicycle road race. Snoop Dogg was cute too.
But all-in-all, I found myself in another room watching pre-season football rather than the Olympics. It's more interesting and at least the creepy old men who run the NFL are OUR creepy old men (ahem... Jerry Jones), not a bunch of entitled European oligarchs hanging on to the last vestige of power.
I'll come back when either the Olympic Summer Games rights its wrong and comes to Chicago or when NASCAR becomes a sanctioned Olympic sport. I aint holding my breath on either!
Well baseball will be a sport in 2028. Maybe some Cardinals/future Cardinals will be on the team(s). I believe Yadier would singlehandedly end Olympic corruption.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 12, 2024, 10:20:20 AM
The rules at the time Chicago attempted to get them would've been a disaster for the city. If Chicago made a bid now I think they'd be extremely well done (despite the leadership) as we have enough massive college/pro stadiums within short bussing distance and an impending new stadium coming.
I don't think it's worth doing some type of boycott though, at the end of the day it kind of seems like a reaching for an excuse to not watch sports that you're not traditionally interested in kind of like my "super patriotic" FIL saying he was boycotting because the opening games... that he didn't watch.
First, I agree on the question of the Olympics would have been a disaster. With R2D2 as Mayor, the corruption, cost overruns and general fraud that typifies Chicago government would have been rampant. But, once we were in, I supported the efforts of my President and my long-time hometown.
I could even see losing to Paris or Tokyo, but Rio? Yuck.
The IOC got what they deserved in Rio -- an unmitigated disaster and likely a lot of under-the-table wealth.
I'll concede there's Olympic sports I find interesting. Basketball the biggie. But, find gymnastics duller than TV golf. But to each their own. Maybe what I'm doing is in a classical sense, a one-person boycott, but it's admittedly easy to avoid things that more often than not, you generally don't find appealing.
That said, what I did see was generally well done. But, given the choice between the Bears/Bills and Vikings/whoever they played, I'll take the pre-season football every time.
Finally, Yadi will be the Rican manager. Count on it!
NFL preseason > Olympics?
Yeesh
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 12, 2024, 11:07:59 AM
my long-time hometown.
Weren't you in Lincolnshire that whole time before you recently started renting in the city?
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 12, 2024, 11:07:59 AM
I'll concede there's Olympic sports I find interesting. Basketball the biggie. But, find gymnastics duller than TV golf. But to each their own. Maybe what I'm doing is in a classical sense, a one-person boycott, but it's admittedly easy to avoid things that more often than not, you generally don't find appealing.
That said, what I did see was generally well done. But, given the choice between the Bears/Bills and Vikings/whoever they played, I'll take the pre-season football every time.
All fine and good to have preferences, I find football to be the second most boring sport that trots out people thinking they're wayyy tougher and more athletic than they are. And find baseball to be agonizingly slow. But I don't claim I don't watch the NFL because they turn the other way to scumbags to keep them in the league. I just admit I find them boring.
That said it's once every four years to find an interest in an activity or sport that's not commonly marketed in this country. A chance to see if we're really as "elite" at everything we claim we are with blind national pride (see Muggsys basketball expectation) and I think that's a good thing to support.
LIV golf with rocket commentating >>>>>NASCAR.
Quote from: tower912 on August 12, 2024, 07:03:58 AM
42 pages later...
A good show. One that is going to linger for a bit because of the Jordan Chiles controversy.
If there is something that is going to cause this to "linger", it will be the impending lawsuits from Khelif
I was a volunteer with the Olympic bid committee in Chicago, doing things like passing out stuff at events, stuffing envelopes, helping out at different athletic competitions the city was hosting...I actually helped with hospitality when the IOC bid committee visited . There was no question we had the best bid, but aside from the Rio corruption, they really wanted to take the games to South America...
That disappointment has not put me off from watching, because I love seeing the athletes. And it led me to being able to volunteer with the USOC at the Vancouver Olympics, which was great fun.
https://www.reddit.com/r/woahthatsinteresting/comments/1eqei7n/this_is_rachael_gunn_she_has_a_phd_in_cultural/
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on August 12, 2024, 12:18:53 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/woahthatsinteresting/comments/1eqei7n/this_is_rachael_gunn_she_has_a_phd_in_cultural/
The story behind her is fascinating
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on August 12, 2024, 12:18:53 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/woahthatsinteresting/comments/1eqei7n/this_is_rachael_gunn_she_has_a_phd_in_cultural/
Up there but still not the craziest story of getting into the Olympics.
Look up Elizabeth swaney.
Those comments are funny.
"Dance like nobody is scoring."
Quote from: tower912 on August 12, 2024, 11:23:46 AM
LIV golf with rocket commentating >>>>>NASCAR.
Anything >>>>NASCAR
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 12, 2024, 11:21:01 AM
Weren't you in Lincolnshire that whole time before you recently started renting in the city?
Libertyville.
I take a metropolitan view of a city.
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 12, 2024, 12:55:33 PM
Libertyville.
I take a metropolitan view of a city.
By that standard, you are still in suburban Chicago.
Quote from: tower912 on August 12, 2024, 12:58:00 PM
By that standard, you are still in suburban Chicago.
However you want to look at it. Doesn't matter to me.
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 12, 2024, 12:55:33 PM
Libertyville.
I take a metropolitan view of a city.
Got it, implication I was trying to make was being in a exurb did you expect a significant life/infrastructure improvement that made you feel like it was worth turning down the Olympics altogether? Or is it just a greater metropolitan area pride thing? Because I can't imagine the metra was going to be allocated much money if any for improvements given the state of the L, 94 was was already getting redone. There was talk of using NIU's facilities which wouldn't have impacted north suburbs, and tourism impact was probably going to be 99% in the city proper.
So was just trying to get an idea of why losing the bid seemed to strike so close to your heart.
After 2028, I think it's going to be awhile before the summer games return to the US. 2032 is set for Brisbaine, but there are a bunch of bidders for the 2036 and 2040 games in Asia and Europe.
Quote from: Warriors4ever on August 12, 2024, 11:52:38 AM
I was a volunteer with the Olympic bid committee in Chicago, doing things like passing out stuff at events, stuffing envelopes, helping out at different athletic competitions the city was hosting...I actually helped with hospitality when the IOC bid committee visited . There was no question we had the best bid, but aside from the Rio corruption, they really wanted to take the games to South America...
That disappointment has not put me off from watching, because I love seeing the athletes. And it led me to being able to volunteer with the USOC at the Vancouver Olympics, which was great fun.
Stuffing envelopes with what, exactly ;)
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on August 12, 2024, 02:33:33 PM
Stuffing envelopes with what, exactly ;)
Inadequate amounts, it would seem.
Out of curiosity, when you all see an American athlete compete for a different country do you still root for or against them? Take the Swedish pope vaulter or Eileen Gu, or do you feel spurned and root against them? Apathetic?
Apathetic. The boundaries are blurred so much. Look at Joel Embiid.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 12, 2024, 03:56:15 PM
Out of curiosity, when you all see an American athlete compete for a different country do you still root for or against them? Take the Swedish pope vaulter or Eileen Gu, or do you feel spurned and root against them? Apathetic?
As Scoopers, we should be able to dictate what country someone represents.
Seriously, I don't care, and furthermore it is none of my business.
I cheered for Travis Diener.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 12, 2024, 03:56:15 PM
Out of curiosity, when you all see an American athlete compete for a different country do you still root for or against them? Take the Swedish pope vaulter or Eileen Gu, or do you feel spurned and root against them? Apathetic?
I root 100% against them Galway.
Quote from: tower912 on August 12, 2024, 04:00:01 PM
Apathetic. The boundaries are blurred so much. Look at Joel Embiid.
Embiid is a bit different IMO. He chose to represent the country he moved to at 16 as an unknown and where he turned into an international superstar.
Alternatively, both Eileen Gu and Armand Duplantis were born and raised entirely in the US. Duplantis is interesting cause not only the above, but his father is a US vaulter too. But I actually think it's super savvy cause he's a sports icon there and wildly well known whereas he'd be basically invisible in the US, even as a gold medalist. Sort of the nature of the field sports. I was super pumped and enjoyed watching him. Bayou Swedish is also hilarious
Not so keen on Gu, her rushed/abnormal naturalization process and grandfather's CCP connections just made it all seem kind of sketchy and she has made some lame comments about it all too.
Otherwise, if you have a path to reach your dreams at the Olympics via your family heritage and aren't at a US Olympic level, don't begrudge them at all and think it's awesome. A win win for both them and their represented country
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 12, 2024, 03:56:15 PM
Out of curiosity, when you all see an American athlete compete for a different country do you still root for or against them? Take the Swedish pope vaulter or Eileen Gu, or do you feel spurned and root against them? Apathetic?
I always root for the name on the front of the jersey.
So, in the case of track and field, the name on the front is the person. There are no names on swimming.
In all seriousness, I just want to see greatness.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 12, 2024, 06:36:17 PM
Embiid is a bit different IMO. He chose to represent the country he moved to at 16 as an unknown and where he turned into an international superstar.
Alternatively, both Eileen Gu and Armand Duplantis were born and raised entirely in the US. Duplantis is interesting cause not only the above, but his father is a US vaulter too. But I actually think it's super savvy cause he's a sports icon there and wildly well known whereas he'd be basically invisible in the US, even as a gold medalist. Sort of the nature of the field sports. I was super pumped and enjoyed watching him. Bayou Swedish is also hilarious
Not so keen on Gu, her rushed/abnormal naturalization process and grandfather's CCP connections just made it all seem kind of sketchy and she has made some lame comments about it all too.
Otherwise, if you have a path to reach your dreams at the Olympics via your family heritage and aren't at a US Olympic level, don't begrudge them at all and think it's awesome. A win win for both them and their represented country
You better believe that if I wasn't good enough to make the US Olympic team, but could qualify for another country, I would do it in a hot minute.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 12, 2024, 02:01:34 PM
Got it, implication I was trying to make was being in a exurb did you expect a significant life/infrastructure improvement that made you feel like it was worth turning down the Olympics altogether? Or is it just a greater metropolitan area pride thing? Because I can't imagine the metra was going to be allocated much money if any for improvements given the state of the L, 94 was was already getting redone. There was talk of using NIU's facilities which wouldn't have impacted north suburbs, and tourism impact was probably going to be 99% in the city proper.
So was just trying to get an idea of why losing the bid seemed to strike so close to your heart.
Brother Eaqle:
There was and is a great deal of pride that I have in being from the Chicago area. I make fun of Chicago's and Illinois' politics regularly but I truly loved every minute I lived here (even in winter because we had access to MU basketball). My love for the region is why we come back every summer. I much wanted the world to see what most of us who know this region of the country see and to learn there's far more to Chicago than Al Capone and crooked politicians.
I also have a great deal of pride in my country and when my President travels to sell my country, I would expect we had a fair chance at winning a bid. The 2016 effort was stacked against Chicago in the way our local Mayoral elections under Richard I were stacked against Republicans. Our city and our President had no chance. I found that offensive.
Living in Libertyville meant nothing as far as Olympic benefit, had Chicago won the bid. The Milwaukee North Metra line would have been a very low priority, unless there were upgrades for Amtrak, which also operates on that line. The negative was that the Olympic mavens required closing of the JFK and DRE express lanes to give them and the Olympics exclusive use. That would have been a horrible nightmare.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/13/media/paris-olympics-ratings-nbc-peacock-viewership-streaming/index.html#openweb-convo
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 13, 2024, 02:19:13 PM
Brother Eaqle:
There was and is a great deal of pride that I have in being from the Chicago area. I make fun of Chicago's and Illinois' politics regularly but I truly loved every minute I lived here (even in winter because we had access to MU basketball). My love for the region is why we come back every summer. I much wanted the world to see what most of us who know this region of the country see and to learn there's far more to Chicago than Al Capone and crooked politicians.
I also have a great deal of pride in my country and when my President travels to sell my country, I would expect we had a fair chance at winning a bid. The 2016 effort was stacked against Chicago in the way our local Mayoral elections under Richard I were stacked against Republicans. Our city and our President had no chance. I found that offensive.
Living in Libertyville meant nothing as far as Olympic benefit, had Chicago won the bid. The Milwaukee North Metra line would have been a very low priority, unless there were upgrades for Amtrak, which also operates on that line. The negative was that the Olympic mavens required closing of the JFK and DRE express lanes to give them and the Olympics exclusive use. That would have been a horrible nightmare.
Got it, makes sense was just trying to understand. Pride is the deadly sin that I can most certainly relate to ;D
https://x.com/LarryMadowo/status/1823376057581371537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1823376057581371537%7Ctwgr%5Efeb777ec4dd14b46d06c4b940c5c77702a8028b8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Folympics%2Fletsile-tebogo-botswana-full-stadium-gold-medal-celebration
That is awesome.
Quote from: tower912 on August 14, 2024, 11:12:41 AM
That is awesome.
Yup.
This is he kind of stuff you miss if your only thought is for the US to destroy everyone. Enjoy the competition.
Quote from: Jockey on August 14, 2024, 11:38:03 AM
Yup.
This is he kind of stuff you miss if your only thought is for the US to destroy everyone. Enjoy the competition.
Ya mean it's
not? Well crap....what's the point of it then? Your post is unacceptable and inexcusable, you traitor!
Quote from: Jockey on August 14, 2024, 11:38:03 AM
Yup.
This is he kind of stuff you miss if your only thought is for the US to destroy everyone. Enjoy the competition.
When I watch the opening ceremonies (not always), my favorite part is the tiny countries with tiny Olympic teams, 3-4 overjoyed athletes walking into the same arena to the same cheers. Or, sailing on the same boat.
Quote from: tower912 on August 14, 2024, 12:04:25 PM
When I watch the opening ceremonies (bot always), my favorite part is the tiny countries with tiny Olympic teams, 3-4 overjoyed athletes walking into the same arena to the same cheers. Or, sailing on the same boat.
I always like to see the excitement of the athletes in the opening ceremonies, and yes...."the tiny countries with tiny Olympic teams" are so great to see. I also like seeing opposing teams congratulating the winners in the events. They are super serious competitors while the event is going and then salute their opponents who won when the event is over. Classy!
I also love seeing the countries with the tiny teams walk in, and those for whom just being there is the victory...
Quote from: warriorchick on August 12, 2024, 07:49:28 PM
You better believe that if I wasn't good enough to make the US Olympic team, but could qualify for another country, I would do it in a hot minute.
Same. Why miss out on the opportunity of a lifetime because some old farts on the internet won't root for you. :)
First chance I've had to post in awhile. I'm on vacation since Saturday.
This was a fun Olympics to watch.
I work from home, so I would throw on Peacock, pick an event or put on the Top Events feed they had in the background. Id get off my chair to watch the finish of a race. I even watched golf and tennis a few times.
On to LA!
Oui Sports.
I wish I had thought of it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 15, 2024, 06:43:03 AM
Same. Why miss out on the opportunity of a lifetime because some old farts on the internet won't root for you. :)
Speak for yourself, not for me. ::) This old fart on the internet would root for chick in a NY minute regardless of which team she was on.
Not to be political. During Steve Kerr's speech at the DNC, he said "imagine what 340 million people working together could accomplish."
The internet fixed it: "well, 339,999,999 people. Jason Tatum would still be on the bench." ;D ;D
Abusing Celtics is always good.