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The Sultan

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 08:48:48 PM
It's a message board,you don't "need" to do anything. Calling people dishonest for no reason is quite beneath you.

I had a reason.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MuggsyB

#151
Quote from: Pakuni on July 12, 2024, 08:53:37 PM
Insisting that Team USA should win every game by 20+ while being ignorant to both history and the massive strides other countries have made over the past 20 years is American arrogance.
No snark required.

When Muggsy is your spirit animal, it might be time to reevaluate your arguments.

It might be time for you to reevaluate your fking nonsense, vacate la-la-land, and deal with immutable truths.  And stop insulting and attacking our country, lawdog, and others while you're at it.   

f our basketball loses it's 100% on our team and coaching staff.  LOOK AT THE ROSTER:

James
Curry
Embiid
Durant
Holiday
Tatum
Davis
Ant
Booker
Haliburton
BAM
White


Are you fking serious??  This team is LOADED and should eviscerate their opponents.  It's not arrogance it's 100% reality. 

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2024, 07:28:46 AM
It might be time for you to reevaluate your fking nonsense, vacate la-la-land, and deal with immutable truths.  And stop insulting and attacking our country, lawdog, and others while you're at it.   


So according to lawdog and Muggsy, acknowledging that the world is catching up to the USA in basketball means you are "attacking our country."

Muggs, you have made some absurd points in your 3+ years here, but this one might be a top 10. Didn't think that was possible because you've set a REALLY high bar...yet here we are.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

lawdog77

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 07:43:35 AM

So according to lawdog and Muggsy, acknowledging that the world is catching up to the USA in basketball means you are "attacking our country."

Muggs, you have made some absurd points in your 3+ years here, but this one might be a top 10. Didn't think that was possible because you've set a REALLY high bar...yet here we are.
Nope. Calling it ol American arrogance is. Its not arrogance. It's  actually looking at the roster versus other countries. This team should beat the others easily if they play their A game. If they dont, I would consider it underperforming.

Pakuni

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 07:43:35 AM

So according to lawdog and Muggsy, acknowledging that the world is catching up to the USA in basketball means you are "attacking our country."

Muggs, you have made some absurd points in your 3+ years here, but this one might be a top 10. Didn't think that was possible because you've set a REALLY high bar...yet here we are.

Muggsy also seems to believe that noting how he and lawdog are thinking alike is an insult to lawdog.
I'm pretty sure that's the meanest thing ever written here about Muggsy.

The 2004 team featured Wade, LeBron, Iverson, Carmelo, Duncan, Stoudemire all in the early days/primes of their careers. They lost three times and finished with bronze.
The 2012 team featured Kobe and prime versions of Durant, LeBron, Westbrook, Love, Harden, Paul, Carmelo plus a young Anthony Davis. They were pushed hard by Lithuania (won by 5) and Spain (won by 7).
And yet apparently thinking that a team stocked with players in their 30s might not win every game by 20+ is hating the United States of America.
OK.


The Sultan

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 13, 2024, 08:00:39 AM
Nope.

This you?

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 12, 2024, 02:17:05 PM
Taking issue with calling it ol' American arrogance. Self hating gets old.

So either....

1. You are lying again
2. You forgot what you posted, or
3. You don't understand the English language.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MuggsyB

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 07:43:35 AM

So according to lawdog and Muggsy, acknowledging that the world is catching up to the USA in basketball means you are "attacking our country."

Muggs, you have made some absurd points in your 3+ years here, but this one might be a top 10. Didn't think that was possible because you've set a REALLY high bar...yet here we are.

Countries have gotten much better, and have "caught up," so to speak,  but in this case you have to look at the rosters. The overall talent level is not close Fluffy.  And countries or people getting significantly better at something doesn't mean they should be competitive vs a superior opponent.  Usain Bolt isn't beating a cheetah as an example.  Ever.  And with a 39 meter head start in a 100 meter race.  :) 

MuggsyB

Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 08:07:33 AM
Muggsy also seems to believe that noting how he and lawdog are thinking alike is an insult to lawdog.
I'm pretty sure that's the meanest thing ever written here about Muggsy.

The 2004 team featured Wade, LeBron, Iverson, Carmelo, Duncan, Stoudemire all in the early days/primes of their careers. They lost three times and finished with bronze.
The 2012 team featured Kobe and prime versions of Durant, LeBron, Westbrook, Love, Harden, Paul, Carmelo plus a young Anthony Davis. They were pushed hard by Lithuania (won by 5) and Spain (won by 7).
And yet apparently thinking that a team stocked with players in their 30s might not win every game by 20+ is hating the United States of America.
OK.

Wrong.  Fluffy attacked lawdog personally for no reason. 

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2024, 08:09:16 AM
Countries have gotten much better, and have "caught up," so to speak,  but in this case you have to look at the rosters.

And if you believe otherwise you are "attacking America" right? Because actually debating on the merits is too difficult so may as well throw some good ole patriotism in there instead.

It's just so very weak.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MuggsyB

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 08:11:29 AM
And if you believe otherwise you are "attacking America" right? Because actually debating on the merits is too difficult so may as well throw some good ole patriotism in there instead.

It's just so very weak.

No.  It was the comment about American arrogance.  That's a "weak" attack on our country. 

The Sultan

#160
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2024, 08:14:18 AM
No.  It was the comment about American arrogance.  That's a "weak" attack on our country. 

Oh no it isn't.  It's a attack on your and lawdog's braindead takes.

Team USA hasn't won every game by 20+ points since 1996. And they have had plenty of loaded teams since then. They shouldn't be expected to do it this year either.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

lawdog77

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 08:11:29 AM
And if you believe otherwise you are "attacking America" right? Because actually debating on the merits is too difficult so may as well throw some good ole patriotism in there instead.

It's just so very weak.
I"ll try it again. Calling it ol American arrogance. This discussion is about roster construction versus the other countries, not some jingoistic notion. If this roster was German, the idea of them winning easily would be the same.

The Sultan

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 13, 2024, 08:18:30 AM
I"ll try it again. Calling it ol American arrogance.


Well it's either American arrogance, or your ignorance. You can pick which one.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

lawdog77

Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 08:07:33 AM
Muggsy also seems to believe that noting how he and lawdog are thinking alike is an insult to lawdog.
I'm pretty sure that's the meanest thing ever written here about Muggsy.

The 2004 team featured Wade, LeBron, Iverson, Carmelo, Duncan, Stoudemire all in the early days/primes of their careers. They lost three times and finished with bronze.
The 2012 team featured Kobe and prime versions of Durant, LeBron, Westbrook, Love, Harden, Paul, Carmelo plus a young Anthony Davis. They were pushed hard by Lithuania (won by 5) and Spain (won by 7).
And yet apparently thinking that a team stocked with players in their 30s might not win every game by 20+ is hating the United States of America.
OK.
The 2004 team only had 1 All NBA player, and 2 All Stars. Wase LBJ and Carmelo were nowhere near their prime

MuggsyB

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 08:22:17 AM

Well it's either American arrogance, or your ignorance. You can pick which one.

I'm well aware that you hate pur country Fluffy.  Although you have no interest in finding a new one of course. 

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2024, 08:28:26 AM
I'm well aware that you hate pur country Fluffy.  Although you have no interest in finding a new one of course. 

And there you go. This is why you really shouldn't be taken seriously here because you usually just fall back on hyperbolic nonsense.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 13, 2024, 08:25:18 AM
The 2004 team only had 1 All NBA player, and 2 All Stars. Wase LBJ and Carmelo were nowhere near their prime

Maybe that's why I wrote "early days." Why'd you leave that out?
This year's team only has one All NBA player, which you don't seem to find an issue with. Why?

MuggsyB

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 08:30:54 AM
And there you go. This is why you really shouldn't be taken seriously here because you usually just fall back on hyperbolic nonsense.

It gets to you obviously because you know it's true. 

lawdog77

Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 08:31:19 AM
Maybe that's why I wrote "early days." Why'd you leave that out?
This year's team only has one All NBA player, which you don't seem to find an issue with. Why?
Actually there are 9, now 8 who made the All NBA teams. And add Embiid qho did not make it.
you.put early days/primes. Why did tou put them together?

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2024, 08:34:58 AM
It gets to you obviously because you know it's true. 

You have never gotten to me because you are not someone I take seriously.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Is JayBee on the pickleball team?
Guster is for Lovers

MU82

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 12, 2024, 07:55:47 PM
LOL, nope. You can't even follow your own arguments I guess.

Look officer, either show where I said this U.S. team would or should win by 20+ points per game or stop being lazy and dishonest about it.

Hell, I'll donate $1,000 to your favorite charity if you can show it. And you can donate $1,000 to my favorite charity if you can't, OK?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2024, 09:48:22 AM
Look officer, either show where I said this U.S. team would or should win by 20+ points per game or stop being lazy and dishonest about it.

Hell, I'll donate $1,000 to your favorite charity if you can show it. And you can donate $1,000 to my favorite charity if you can't, OK?


Hell no. You can just own your error. Or don't. No biggie for me.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 09:50:48 AM
Hell no. You can just own your error. Or don't. No biggie for me.

Ah, so rather than put your money where your mouth is, you'd rather just keep lying about it.

I wouldn't have expected this from you, but oh well.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2024, 09:52:13 AM
Ah, so rather than put your money where your mouth is, you'd rather just keep lying about it.

I wouldn't have expected this from you, but oh well.


😂😂😂

"You need to do this thing that I want to cover my own dishonestly."  Such simplistic, sportswriter-brained nonsense.

Which is EXACTLY what I expect from you.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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