Brey says he is done coaching at Notre Dame. Still wants to Coach though.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1625214990373232645?cxt=HHwWioCxjYmb9o0tAAAA
This thread will be very entertaining if Calipari falls through the thin ice in Lexington.
Maybe stating the obvious, but New Mexico State and Texas will be part of the 2023 carousel.
Shaka Smart is going to Syracuse if Boeheim retires if y'all haven't heard yet 😂
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 15, 2023, 12:12:03 PM
Shaka Smart is going to Syracuse if Boeheim retires if y'all haven't heard yet 😂
Not if Kevin O'Neill beats him to it.
Woj ta Siberia U., and he kan take T-Cubed wit 'im, hey?
Kermit Davis fired by Ole Miss. I really thought that was going to work out well for them.
Chris Beard to Ole Miss makes sense
I would certainly think the interim guy at Texas has done well enough to get a permanent shot.
Quote from: rgoode57 on February 24, 2023, 10:22:24 AM
I would certainly think the interim guy at Texas has done well enough to get a permanent shot.
Because he hasn't choked under pressure? ;D
I wonder if enough time has elapsed for any program to hire Greg Marshall?
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 24, 2023, 10:30:57 AM
I wonder if enough time has elapsed for any program to hire Greg Marshall?
Maybe. But not if his wife is allowed to be on the sidelines with him.
Do you think Jay Wright will coach college ball again? He is only 61 and if the $$$$$$$$$ is right?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 24, 2023, 10:01:22 AM
Kermit Davis fired by Ole Miss. I really thought that was going to work out well for them.
Please let Bobby "Gonzo" Gonzalez be their next coach.
Quote from: swoopem on February 24, 2023, 10:03:39 AM
Chris Beard to Ole Miss makes sense
I would bet that's the reason on the timing of Kermit's firing. Charges were dropped against Beard, so he's clean enough in the eyes of most schools looking to win. Always best to be first in line.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 24, 2023, 11:19:59 AM
Do you think Jay Wright will coach college ball again? He is only 61 and if the $$$$$$$$$ is right?
Don't think so, heard that he's pretty against NIL being as out of control as it is and that contributed to him retiring.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2023, 11:41:04 AM
Don't think so, heard that he's pretty against NIL being as out of control as it is and that contributed to him retiring.
Yeah, he strikes me as a guy whose whole life isn't consumed by coaching. He is enjoying life.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 24, 2023, 11:41:04 AM
Don't think so, heard that he's pretty against NIL being as out of control as it is and that contributed to him retiring.
And I have a ton of respect for him. He made a tough decision and seems very much at peace with it when he appears on the basketball programs.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 24, 2023, 11:19:59 AM
Do you think Jay Wright will coach college ball again? He is only 61 and if the $$$$$$$$$ is right?
61 is not too young to be retired.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 24, 2023, 01:47:10 PM
61 is not too young to be retired.
Slackers! Contributing to the worker shortage! ;D
How sweet it is.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 24, 2023, 01:53:13 PM
Slackers! Contributing to the worker shortage! ;D
Jealousy is a bad look. It's not my fault that you waited until you were a senior citizen to have kids. ;D
Maybe just add Ben Johnson
Wooooooooof
Quote from: warriorchick on February 24, 2023, 02:03:05 PM
Jealousy is a bad look. It's not my fault that you waited until you were a senior citizen to have kids. ;D
I resemble that remark!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 24, 2023, 02:08:50 PM
Maybe just add Ben Johnson
Wooooooooof
They need to cut bait now. That's a disaster up there
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2023, 02:39:30 PM
They need to cut bait now. That's a disaster up there
Yeah the only thing the supporters had to cling to was "its only year 2 and look at that recruiting class"
Well the prized recruit is gone. His buddy a current freshman will follow soon.
In this day of college bball. There is no giving coaches 4-7 years to make it work.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 15, 2023, 12:12:03 PM
Shaka Smart is going to Syracuse if Boeheim retires if y'all haven't heard yet 😂
Read this earlier and didn't comment, but had to come back to it after a couple of hours of intermittently thinking about how sweet that would be, how much they deserve each other, and how it would likely doom a school I'm no fan of to very enjoyable underperformance.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 24, 2023, 02:54:21 PM
Read this earlier and didn't comment, but had to come back to it after a couple of hours of intermittently thinking about how sweet that would be, how much they deserve each other, and how it would likely doom a school I'm no fan of to very enjoyable underperformance.
You thinking Wojo?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2023, 02:39:30 PM
They need to cut bait now. That's a disaster up there
Possible landing spot for Greg Gard? The drumbeats are growing louder in Madison and Gard has proven he can recruit Minnesota.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 24, 2023, 04:39:36 PM
Possible landing spot for Greg Gard? The drumbeats are growing louder in Madison and Gard has proven he can recruit Minnesota.
I'd laugh
Coaching Changes saying Beard to Ole Miss. Yuck!
https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1629273283253219336?t=MdjqG4EEHYCWQZrutqXEig&s=19
(https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1629273283253219336?t=MdjqG4EEHYCWQZrutqXEig&s=19)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2023, 05:17:23 PM
I'd laugh
though Gard is 2-0 vs Shaka, I'd prefer he stays-put in Dane Cty. I don't want RED bringing in a new guy and going on another Bo Ryan-type decade
Quote from: warriorchick on February 24, 2023, 01:47:10 PM
61 is not too young to be retired.
I know, I retired at 61.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 24, 2023, 07:14:49 PM
Coaching Changes saying Beard to Ole Miss. Yuck!
https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1629273283253219336?t=MdjqG4EEHYCWQZrutqXEig&s=19
(https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1629273283253219336?t=MdjqG4EEHYCWQZrutqXEig&s=19)
"Coaching Changes" isn't a credible source for information.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 24, 2023, 07:14:49 PM
Coaching Changes saying Beard to Ole Miss. Yuck!
https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1629273283253219336?t=MdjqG4EEHYCWQZrutqXEig&s=19
(https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1629273283253219336?t=MdjqG4EEHYCWQZrutqXEig&s=19)
Match made in heaven.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 24, 2023, 08:32:43 PM
I know, I retired at 61.
I heard a retirement gift is a sweater vest, and that's why I still work! On the plus side, I have a year to win the lottery and retire at 61.
My dad dropped his last son off at college in Milwaukee and promptly retired at the age of 56. >:( Just a word of caution, with no purpose in life, he passed away a short 42 years later!
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 24, 2023, 11:16:48 PM
I heard a retirement gift is a sweater vest, and that's why I still work! On the plus side, I have a year to win the lottery and retire at 61.
My dad dropped his last son off at college in Milwaukee and promptly retired at the age of 56. >:( Just a word of caution, with no purpose in life, he passed away a short 42 years later!
On a different note, can you pick up me and Glow at FLL? Our flight ran 4 hours late and we have been waiting 20 minutes for luggage.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 24, 2023, 10:28:21 AM
Because he hasn't choked under pressure? ;D
Dude, I'm not usually one to get offended by jokes, but this just wasn't funny enough to warrant making light of domestic violence.
pbiflyer
I am the same age and hoping for that lottery ticket retirement plan as well.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 24, 2023, 07:14:49 PM
Coaching Changes saying Beard to Ole Miss. Yuck!
https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1629273283253219336?t=MdjqG4EEHYCWQZrutqXEig&s=19
(https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1629273283253219336?t=MdjqG4EEHYCWQZrutqXEig&s=19)
Now that Beard's fiancee recanted her story, I'm sure he'll get another chance. Not a fan of spousal abusers, but if he took Ole Miss & got it going to a top-10 level and suddenly Texas had a third fired coach with a top-10 program elsewhere, that would be kind of funny.
Adam Zagoria reports that Ole Miss is considering Chris Beard and Dusty May (HC at Florida Atlantic).
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1630342972653879298?t=tC9asMrtMg7uYkcwjNdC1g&s=19
(https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1630342972653879298?t=tC9asMrtMg7uYkcwjNdC1g&s=19)
Quote from: warriorchick on February 25, 2023, 02:14:44 AM
On a different note, can you pick up me and Glow at FLL? Our flight ran 4 hours late and we have been waiting 20 minutes for luggage.
If I would've known I'd at least have bought drinks!
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 28, 2023, 04:15:46 PM
If I would've known I'd at least have bought drinks!
Thanks, but all of the airport bars were closed at 3:15 a.m. when I posted that.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 24, 2023, 01:47:10 PM
61 is not too young to be retired.
Al was 48 when he coached his last game.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2023, 07:09:48 AM
Now that Beard's fiancee recanted her story, I'm sure he'll get another chance. Not a fan of spousal abusers, but if he took Ole Miss & got it going to a top-10 level and suddenly Texas had a third fired coach with a top-10 program elsewhere, that would be kind of funny.
Off topic, but the Texas fans are *salty* on twitter about Shaka right now.
Quote from: jficke13 on March 01, 2023, 02:11:11 PM
Off topic, but the Texas fans are *salty* on twitter about Shaka right now.
Links?
Matt Norlander on CBSSports.com:
Blind item not in the tracker: There's a head coach of a program whose team is well on its way to the NCAA Tournament, and buzz has built behind the scenes in recent weeks over this coach's alleged willingness to move elsewhere. (No, Kentucky fans, I'm not referencing John Calipari.) Will be interesting to see if this winds up happening. (If it happens, I'll let you know who it is.)
That last line is great - I'll let you know who it is once you've already found out.
Buzz, right?
Quote from: Oldgym on March 01, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
Matt Norlander on CBSSports.com:
Blind item not in the tracker: There's a head coach of a program whose team is well on its way to the NCAA Tournament, and buzz has built behind the scenes in recent weeks over this coach's alleged willingness to move elsewhere. (No, Kentucky fans, I'm not referencing John Calipari.) Will be interesting to see if this winds up happening. (If it happens, I'll let you know who it is.)
That last line is great - I'll let you know who it is once you've already found out.
Buzz, right?
When Brent is in the studio for the 2nd weekend wearing a longhorn orange tie, imma gonna laugh.
I remember it well. Nearly threw something at the teevee.
Who was Buzz backchanneling messages to back then? I forget.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 01, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
Matt Norlander on CBSSports.com:
Blind item not in the tracker: There's a head coach of a program whose team is well on its way to the NCAA Tournament, and buzz has built behind the scenes in recent weeks over this coach's alleged willingness to move elsewhere. (No, Kentucky fans, I'm not referencing John Calipari.) Will be interesting to see if this winds up happening. (If it happens, I'll let you know who it is.)
That last line is great - I'll let you know who it is once you've already found out.
Buzz, right?
There are rumors of Fran Mccaffery going to Notre Dame.
https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1630253142435676161?t=4jfguwDZ2O9dDkXVWU10cw&s=19
(https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1630253142435676161?t=4jfguwDZ2O9dDkXVWU10cw&s=19)
Quote from: Oldgym on March 01, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
Matt Norlander on CBSSports.com:
Blind item not in the tracker: There's a head coach of a program whose team is well on its way to the NCAA Tournament, and buzz has built behind the scenes in recent weeks over this coach's alleged willingness to move elsewhere. (No, Kentucky fans, I'm not referencing John Calipari.) Will be interesting to see if this winds up happening. (If it happens, I'll let you know who it is.)
That last line is great - I'll let you know who it is once you've already found out.
Buzz, right?
It definitely fits Buzz's MO
Quote from: Oldgym on March 01, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
Matt Norlander on CBSSports.com:
Blind item not in the tracker: There's a head coach of a program whose team is well on its way to the NCAA Tournament, and buzz has built behind the scenes in recent weeks over this coach's alleged willingness to move elsewhere. (No, Kentucky fans, I'm not referencing John Calipari.) Will be interesting to see if this winds up happening. (If it happens, I'll let you know who it is.)
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 01, 2023, 02:12:38 PM
Links?
Here's one that's handy:
TEXAS NIL
@TexasNIL
·
4h
Replying to
@tatefrazier
Lmfao! He Fkn sucks. Good dude but always folded in the big moments. Sometimes it doesn't work. Sometimes it does. Nothing more than that. I'd still get rid of him. He belongs at a small school.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 01, 2023, 02:27:40 PM
There are rumors of Fran Mccaffery going to Notre Dame.
https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1630253142435676161?t=4jfguwDZ2O9dDkXVWU10cw&s=19
(https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1630253142435676161?t=4jfguwDZ2O9dDkXVWU10cw&s=19)
I can't wait to take the over in next year's game vs ND. His teams play zero defense
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 01, 2023, 02:27:40 PM
There are rumors of Fran Mccaffery going to Notre Dame.
https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1630253142435676161?t=4jfguwDZ2O9dDkXVWU10cw&s=19
(https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1630253142435676161?t=4jfguwDZ2O9dDkXVWU10cw&s=19)
Going back, that account gets a lot of stuff wrong.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 01, 2023, 02:49:21 PM
Going back, that account gets a lot of stuff wrong.
"Marquette is not going to fire Wojo"- so do you
Quote from: jficke13 on March 01, 2023, 02:11:11 PM
Off topic, but the Texas fans are *salty* on twitter about Shaka right now.
I'd be slightly salty too if Wojo went on to another program, started playing rock solid defensive basketball with some offensive flair and found all the success he couldn't find at MU.
Quote from: swoopem on March 01, 2023, 02:42:11 PM
I can't wait to take the over in next year's game vs ND. His teams play zero defense
Good way to increase how much I dislike ND. My guess was Jamie Dixon since he almost went to UCLA when Cronin got hired.
Quote from: swoopem on March 01, 2023, 02:53:04 PM
"Marquette is not going to fire Wojo"- so do you
No kidding.
Quote from: jficke13 on March 01, 2023, 02:39:58 PM
Here's one that's handy:
TEXAS NIL
@TexasNIL
·
4h
Replying to
@tatefrazier
Lmfao! He Fkn sucks. Good dude but always folded in the big moments. Sometimes it doesn't work. Sometimes it does. Nothing more than that. I'd still get rid of him. He belongs at a small school.
Hard to care about what fans think when their school is traditionally mid at ball
Quote from: jficke13 on March 01, 2023, 02:39:58 PM
Here's one that's handy:
TEXAS NIL
@TexasNIL
·
4h
Replying to
@tatefrazier
Lmfao! He Fkn sucks. Good dude but always folded in the big moments. Sometimes it doesn't work. Sometimes it does. Nothing more than that. I'd still get rid of him. He belongs at a small school.
Other than the "He Fkn sucks.", I understand UT fans feeling that way. For whatever reason(s) Shaka didn't deliver what UT fans expected. Now he killing it MU which must feel like salt in the wound.
I think there were some MU fans telling IU fans "I told you so" about TC, at the end, that IU fans did not appreciate. Some natural, bitterness about a coach who left.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 01, 2023, 02:49:21 PM
Going back, that account gets a lot of stuff wrong.
That's why I called it a rumor. You do know what a rumor is, right?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 01, 2023, 03:51:47 PM
That's why I called it a rumor. You do know what a rumor is, right?
🙄🙄🙄
Any chance Stan could get the ND job? Or is it too soon in his Head Coaching career ( no sustained success track record )to be making that kind of move ?
Or maybe he likes the campus and set up at Loyola Marymount and doesn't want to mess with his happy.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 01, 2023, 04:18:54 PM
Any chance Stan could get the ND job? Or is it too soon in his Head Coaching career ( no sustained success track record )to be making that kind of move ?
Or maybe he likes the campus and set up at Loyola Marymount and doesn't want to mess with his happy.
You serious, Clark?
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 01, 2023, 04:18:54 PM
Any chance Stan could get the ND job? Or is it too soon in his Head Coaching career ( no sustained success track record )to be making that kind of move ?
Or maybe he likes the campus and set up at Loyola Marymount and doesn't want to mess with his happy.
My understanding is Stan is on his way to South Bend and Jeenathan Williams is retiring to join his staff.
This is just a rumor.
Stan should stay and wait for the inevitable Craig Pintens new job and follow him there.
Quote from: The Lens on March 01, 2023, 05:17:59 PM
Stan should stay and wait for the inevitable Craig Pintens new job and follow him there.
Marquette?
Quote from: The Lens on March 01, 2023, 05:17:59 PM
Stan should stay and wait for the inevitable Craig Pintens new job and follow him there.
Great Observation . Pintens is bullish on Stan
https://twitter.com/LMUPintens/status/1630955854467043333?cxt=HHwWisDQ3avtqKItAAAA
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 01, 2023, 05:25:42 PM
That's the rumor
Not if Brian Wardle has anything to say about it.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 01, 2023, 02:27:10 PM
I remember it well. Nearly threw something at the teevee.
Who was Buzz backchanneling messages to back then? I forget.
Jeff Goodman.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 01, 2023, 02:27:40 PM
There are rumors of Fran Mccaffery going to Notre Dame.
https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1630253142435676161?t=4jfguwDZ2O9dDkXVWU10cw&s=19
(https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1630253142435676161?t=4jfguwDZ2O9dDkXVWU10cw&s=19)
That would be hilarious for Iowa. Replace an underachiever with a guy who blew a near certain at large bid by choking a 10pt lead in the final 5 min to an AWFUL BC team and is now missing the NCAAs again
I don't know if Goodman and Buzz had a falling out per say, but they're definitely not as close as they used to be.
Goodman ripped Buzz when he had his monologue on why they were "robbed" of a NCAA berth last year.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 01, 2023, 08:36:03 PM
I don't know if Goodman and Buzz had a falling out per say, but they're definitely not as close as they used to be.
Goodman ripped Buzz when he had his monologue on why they were "robbed" of a NCAA berth last year.
Buzz burning a bridge? Shocking.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 01, 2023, 08:36:03 PM
I don't know if Goodman and Buzz had a falling out per say, but they're definitely not as close as they used to be.
Goodman ripped Buzz when he had his monologue on why they were "robbed" of a NCAA berth last year.
Smoke screen. Plausible deniability so he can now push him for Texas
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1200x675/p09mtm0n.jpg)
Quote from: JWags85 on March 01, 2023, 09:24:36 PM
Smoke screen. Plausible deniability so he can now push him for Texas
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1200x675/p09mtm0n.jpg)
Buzz Bunch getting hyped yet?
Texas Tech Head Coach Mark Adams Suspended. Will he survive?
https://hoopdirt.com/hot-texas-tech-suspends-mark-adams/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 05, 2023, 06:14:35 PM
Texas Tech Head Coach Mark Adams Suspended. Will he survive?
https://hoopdirt.com/hot-texas-tech-suspends-mark-adams/
Seems like an excuse to get out a puppet coach most players don't seem to like. The hot rumor is Grant McCasland from UNT is already set to slide in
Quote from: JWags85 on March 05, 2023, 08:58:11 PM
Seems like an excuse to get out a puppet coach most players don't seem to like. The hot rumor is Grant McCasland from UNT is already set to slide in
Agreed. They save on the buy-out.
Don't expect Bennett to take that job, quoting the Bible will get you fired at TTU.
Aaaaand the Texas Tech fans are already talking about Shaka as a replacement.
Football schools really think they own the world, huh?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 05, 2023, 09:18:03 PM
Aaaaand the Texas Tech fans are already talking about Shaka as a replacement.
Football schools really think they own the world, huh?
UM fans as well.
Anyone talking about Shaka for any job right now has no understanding of his career. At the beginning of the St. John's game, Bennetti remarked that Shaka got a "massive ovation" from the crowd. He's in year 2 at a basketball school where the fans love him and he's got the program rolling. And we'll be able to give him a raise. Compare that to how he was treated by Texas, which was his "grass is greener" job. Shaka won't be going anywhere for a while.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 05, 2023, 10:25:14 PM
Anyone talking about Shaka for any job right now has no understanding of his career. At the beginning of the St. John's game, Bennetti remarked that Shaka got a "massive ovation" from the crowd. He's in year 2 at a basketball school where the fans love him and he's got the program rolling. And we'll be able to give him a raise. Compare that to how he was treated by Texas, which was his "grass is greener" job. Shaka won't be going anywhere for a while.
VCU fans said damn near the same thing when Illinois, Marquette, and who knows who else came calling eight or ten years ago. I wouldn't stake anything to my perception of happy he is with the fans, how good the program is, or MU's ability to give him a raise.
The difference between now and then is, as you point out, UT. He's done the Big XII gig. It's my hope that that's enough because if this year is any indication of future success, his name will come up a lot in coming years.
Well, that's because MU is view as this year's VCU, hey?
Shaka's not moving, eh.
Making what he asked for, and he is winning.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 06, 2023, 03:41:38 AM
Well, that's because MU is view as this year's VCU, hey?
Wojo did this to us
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 06, 2023, 08:31:54 AM
Wojo did this to us
Nah, he's afraid Marquette is good again and he can't be miserable
Do you think Wojo is less than a fan of Shaka?
Some AD: "So why did it not work out at Marquette, Steve?"
Wojo: "It is very hard, if not impossible to win at MU."
Some AD: "Is see what you mean by looking at Shaka's record. You can leave now."
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 05, 2023, 06:14:35 PM
Texas Tech Head Coach Mark Adams Suspended. Will he survive?
https://hoopdirt.com/hot-texas-tech-suspends-mark-adams/
He will not.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 05, 2023, 11:31:01 PM
VCU fans said damn near the same thing when Illinois, Marquette, and who knows who else came calling eight or ten years ago. I wouldn't stake anything to my perception of happy he is with the fans, how good the program is, or MU's ability to give him a raise.
The difference between now and then is, as you point out, UT. He's done the Big XII gig. It's my hope that that's enough because if this year is any indication of future success, his name will come up a lot in coming years.
Marquette has been looking for their coach-til-retirement guy for 45 years. Maybe it's hindsight but looking back, the coaches since Al all left for one of two reasons: bigger ambitions or got fired. Having done the Texas thing, I'm not convinced Shaka has bigger ambitions anymore (though I'm certainly not in his head to know). So that leaves getting canned...which doesn't appear likely anytime soon. As long as things don't nosedive I really do think Shaka can be the "til retirement" guy we've wanted for so long.
Wojo: I actually think Wojo would have loved to be a "til retirement" guy (other than Duke), but he just wasn't a fit. Fired.
Buzz: Bigger Ambitions. He was never staying anywhere for long.
Crean: Bigger Ambitions (but if you asked him today, he knows he shouldn't have left)
Deane: Sucked. Fired
O'Neill: Bigger Ambitions.
Dukiet: Sucked. Fired.
Majerus: I'm too young to know what exactly went with Rick, but moving to the NBA feels like a Bigger Ambitions kinda move.
Raymonds: Wasn't Al.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 06, 2023, 08:49:33 AM
Marquette has been looking for their coach-til-retirement guy for 45 years. Maybe it's hindsight but looking back, the coaches since Al all left for one of two reasons: bigger ambitions or got fired. Having done the Texas thing, I'm not convinced Shaka has bigger ambitions anymore (though I'm certainly not in his head to know). So that leaves getting canned...which doesn't appear likely anytime soon. As long as things don't nosedive I really do think Shaka can be the "til retirement" guy we've wanted for so long.
Wojo: I actually think Wojo would have loved to be a "til retirement" guy (other than Duke), but he just wasn't a fit. Fired.
Buzz: Bigger Ambitions. He was never staying anywhere for long.
Crean: Bigger Ambitions (but if you asked him today, he knows he shouldn't have left)
Deane: Sucked. Fired
O'Neill: Bigger Ambitions.
Dukiet: Sucked. Fired.
Majerus: I'm too young to know what exactly went with Rick, but moving to the NBA feels like a Bigger Ambitions kinda move.
Raymonds: Wasn't Al.
Hard to justify saying Deane or Wojo sucked without including Majerus in there as well. MU record alone not the Utah or SLU records.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 05, 2023, 10:25:14 PM
Anyone talking about Shaka for any job right now has no understanding of his career. At the beginning of the St. John's game, Bennetti remarked that Shaka got a "massive ovation" from the crowd. He's in year 2 at a basketball school where the fans love him and he's got the program rolling. And we'll be able to give him a raise. Compare that to how he was treated by Texas, which was his "grass is greener" job. Shaka won't be going anywhere for a while.
Here we go.
My understanding was Majerus to the Bucks was more an easy way out for both parties.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 06, 2023, 09:01:21 AM
My understanding was Majerus to the Bucks was more an easy way out for both parties.
This is correct.
I'm not sure if O'Neill had bigger aspirations per se than he was just a vagabond
Mike Deane won 100 games in 5 years.
NIT Finals, C-USA Championship, 4 seed in '96. The list goes on.
MU cans him and decides to change the admissions policy for Crean recruits and all of sudden we're competive again. What does Mike do? He goes down to Lamar and leads them to the Dance, then he goes to Wagner and hangs a Conferenc e Champ banner.
The man is all about Laundry, he hangs banners everywhere he goes. 4 jobs, 4 conference titles.
Probably the most underrated coach of the last 50 years in America (including Canada).
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2023, 09:18:27 AM
This is correct.
I'm not sure if O'Neill had bigger aspirations per se than he was just a vagabond
To be fair, MU was in a bad place back then. In a conference with Detroit, Loyola and Evansville. I think anybody would have jumped at the chance to go to the SEC.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 06, 2023, 09:25:25 AM
To be fair, MU was in a bad place back then. In a conference with Detroit, Loyola and Evansville. I think anybody would have jumped at the chance to go to the SEC.
MU was in the Great Midwest when KO left. A 7 team league that put 4 teams in the NCAAs in '94. He was coaching against Gene Bartow, Chalie Spoonhour & Bob Huggins and if you need to google any of them you should just log off.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 06, 2023, 09:25:25 AM
To be fair, MU was in a bad place back then. In a conference with Detroit, Loyola and Evansville. I think anybody would have jumped at the chance to go to the SEC.
At that point, they were in The Great Midwest
Quote from: The Lens on March 06, 2023, 09:22:56 AM
Mike Deane won 100 games in 5 years.
NIT Finals, C-USA Championship, 4 seed in '96. The list goes on.
MU cans him and decides to change the admissions policy for Crean recruits and all of sudden we're competive again. What does Mike do? He goes down to Lamar and leads them to the Dance, then he goes to Wagner and hangs a Conferenc e Champ banner.
The man is all about Laundry, he hangs banners everywhere he goes. 4 jobs, 4 conference titles.
Probably the most underrated coach of the last 50 years in America (including Canada).
Mike Deane never won a conference championship at Wagner. He had a losing record both there and at Lamar. His last 11 seasons as a head coach saw one postseason appearance - the year at Lamar you reference. They won the conference tournament as a 7-seed in the 8 team Southland Conference.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 06, 2023, 09:30:31 AM
Mike Deane never won a conference championship at Wagner. He had a losing record both there and at Lamar. His last 11 seasons as a head coach saw one postseason appearance - the year at Lamar you reference. They won the conference tournament as a 7-seed in the 8 team Southland Conference.
You're right, I was thinking he did in 2008 but he finished 15-3 in conference and Robert Morries finished 16-2. Who was Bob Morris coached by? Mike Rice...Deane's assistant at MU. So while he did finish one game out of first he was only bested by his protege. He basically created the only person who could beat him.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 05, 2023, 11:31:01 PM
VCU fans said damn near the same thing when Illinois, Marquette, and who knows who else came calling eight or ten years ago. I wouldn't stake anything to my perception of happy he is with the fans, how good the program is, or MU's ability to give him a raise.
The difference between now and then is, as you point out, UT. He's done the Big XII gig. It's my hope that that's enough because if this year is any indication of future success, his name will come up a lot in coming years.
Beyond the UT experience, MU and VCU are VERY different in terms of coach retention when it comes to conference, compensation, and perks. Thats not to say it precludes someone wanting to move to a big public university or B10/SEC program, but VCU is a mid major and MU is certainly not.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 05, 2023, 09:18:03 PM
Aaaaand the Texas Tech fans are already talking about Shaka as a replacement.
Football schools really think they own the world, huh?
Especially hilarious since before Chris Beard, they had made the NCAA 5 times in 20 years. And 4 of those were with one of the top 5 college coaches of all time.
Its a bottom tier P5 job in a dumpy town in the middle of nowhere with minimal basketball history. Beard had a school connection which is why they got him.
Quote from: The Lens on March 06, 2023, 09:29:13 AM
MU was in the Great Midwest when KO left. A 7 team league that put 4 teams in the NCAAs in '94. He was coaching against Gene Bartow, Chalie Spoonhour & Bob Huggins and if you need to google any of them you should just log off.
My mistake. I forgot the timeline. No offense intended.
Quote from: The Lens on March 06, 2023, 09:22:56 AM
Mike Deane won 100 games in 5 years.
NIT Finals, C-USA Championship, 4 seed in '96. The list goes on.
MU cans him and decides to change the admissions policy for Crean recruits and all of sudden we're competive again. What does Mike do? He goes down to Lamar and leads them to the Dance, then he goes to Wagner and hangs a Conferenc e Champ banner.
The man is all about Laundry, he hangs banners everywhere he goes. 4 jobs, 4 conference titles.
Probably the most underrated coach of the last 50 years in America (including Canada).
His track record shows he only wins with other guys players. Outside of the second place at Wagner all his success was right when he'd arrive then would drastically fall off. James Madison & SUNY being awful
Mike Deane made the mistake of talking up playing in the NIT as something to strive for. Credit to Cords and Father Wild for deciding that wasn't what they wanted.
Now I will say, from an outsiders perspective they probably don't realize the absurd amount of money Marquette spends on their basketball program.
They more than likely see a small, private, Midwestern without football money. But they play in an NBA stadium and can spend with the big boys in regards to basketball.
For those who do not know or remember, the only problem with Rick Majerus was that he got the MU job too early in life. He just was not ready for it. And, yes, moving to the Bucks was a seemingly amicable way for both parties to move on. As I remember, after the Bucks, he went to Ball State for a couple of years to get back into college coaching. And, as most of you know, Majerus later became a really, really good coach at both SLU and Utah. At both places, he accomplished wonders with talent that was mediocre, including, as I recall, one Final Four with Utah.
Rick won the MAC in year two at Ball State, was seeded #9 in the tournament and upset Pitt in the first round. Lost in the second round to the Flyin' Illini, who would get to the Final Four.
He got to the National Championship game with Utah with Andre Miller as his best player. They had a halftime lead before folding against Kentucky. It was quite the run, blowing out defending national champion Arizona in the Elite 8, and a UNC team that included Vince Carter and Antwan Jamison in the Final Four.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 06, 2023, 09:25:25 AM
To be fair, MU was in a bad place back then. In a conference with Detroit, Loyola and Evansville. I think anybody would have jumped at the chance to go to the SEC.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought O'Neil at that time made like $200k at MU and went to Tennessee for $400k ?
Quote from: Daniel on March 06, 2023, 12:34:33 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought O'Neil at that time made like $200k at MU and went to Tennessee for $400k ?
And IIRC, Marquette disagreed with his assertion that they needed to seriously upgrade the basketball facilities.
Quote from: Daniel on March 06, 2023, 12:34:33 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought O'Neil at that time made like $200k at MU and went to Tennessee for $400k ?
I think it was $70k. His contract was really bad. He said he would wipe his a$$ with it. He brought us back from the depths of despair.
Plenty of reasons why KO left but it started with money and ended with money. There were other issues on his list, and I think all of them were a smoke screen to not look like it was all about money. He did want better facilities, was pissed off at Cords and burned some bridges with alums and probably forced his own hand on having to leave. He is a stubborn guy and when was not going to back to down to anyone.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 06, 2023, 02:15:19 PM
And IIRC, Marquette disagreed with his assertion that they needed to seriously upgrade the basketball facilities.
Well, the Old Gym
was pretty sweet.
Quote from: Judge Smails on March 06, 2023, 02:47:39 PM
I think it was $70k. His contract was really bad. He said he would wipe his a$$ with it. He brought us back from the depths of despair.
By the time he left? If so, he was right about what he could use it for lol
I had heard KO was in line for the MU job after Mike Deane, but it turned out he worked MU, then got a raise at Northwestern to stay.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 06, 2023, 09:39:34 AM
Beyond the UT experience, MU and VCU are VERY different in terms of coach retention when it comes to conference, compensation, and perks. Thats not to say it precludes someone wanting to move to a big public university or B10/SEC program, but VCU is a mid major and MU is certainly not.
Especially hilarious since before Chris Beard, they had made the NCAA 5 times in 20 years. And 4 of those were with one of the top 5 college coaches of all time.
Its a bottom tier P5 job in a dumpy town in the middle of nowhere with minimal basketball history. Beard had a school connection which is why they got him.
Spend a lot of time in Fort Worth, and, other than Tech fans (obviously), all of the other fandoms says they have the least liked fans in Texas.
I would assume Payne will be unemployed at Louisville soon.
Quote from: Eye on March 07, 2023, 07:26:51 PM
I would assume Payne will be unemployed at Louisville soon.
First full Louisville game I watched this year. It was something
Quote from: Bbudsj on March 06, 2023, 03:13:26 PM
I had heard KO was in line for the MU job after Mike Deane, but it turned out he worked MU, then got a raise at Northwestern to stay.
for those that were there I'm sure you'll agree...at the 100th anniversary celebration, KO and Deane stole the show!
Austin Peay job open now
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1632558005513322496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1632558005513322496%7Ctwgr%5E8132d8d22a370143f34f4cd86e47766386bf2481%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthespun.com%2Fcollege-hoops%2Fbreaking-college-basketball-coach-fired-sunday-night
Let's go, Peay!
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2023, 09:25:02 PM
Let's go, Peay!
My favorite college fan sign!
(https://www.si.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTc0MTk4ODY4Mjc4MjU3NTMy/080086083.webp)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2023, 07:28:15 PM
First full Louisville game I watched this year. It was something
Best friend a UL fan. I gave up watching them play full games sometime in the non-conference. Tried for UK, but there was a much higher-level game I switched to mid-2nd half. He gave up sometime during the conference season. He's much more despondent about UL right now than most here were two years ago at this time about MU.
Quote from: Eye on March 08, 2023, 08:21:43 AM
Best friend a UL fan. I gave up watching them play full games sometime in the non-conference. Tried for UK, but there was a much higher-level game I switched to mid-2nd half. He gave up sometime during the conference season. He's much more despondent about UL right now than most here were two years ago at this time about MU.
Marquette never bottomed out like Louisville this century. Been bad, mediocre and dysfunctioal but never like Louisville. In the portal era, teams like Louisville should never be this bad
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2023, 08:41:34 AM
Marquette never bottomed out like Louisville this century. Been bad, mediocre and dysfunctioal but never like Louisville. In the portal era, teams like Louisville should never be this bad
The Chris Mack imbroglio hurt their cause.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2023, 08:41:34 AM
Marquette never bottomed out like Louisville this century. Been bad, mediocre and dysfunctioal but never like Louisville. In the portal era, teams like Louisville should never be this bad
Yeah, as bad as MU was in the final 2 Dukiet years, never got 4-28, 2-18, almost worst Power 6 team bad. They're were awfully bad second half of last year, too. 3-15, So 7-43 last 50 games.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2023, 10:57:34 AM
The Chris Mack imbroglio hurt their cause.
In today's landscape, Louisville should never be so bad they go 4-28
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2023, 11:13:36 AM
In today's landscape, Louisville should never be so bad they go 4-28
I agree with this analysis.
Completed agreed a historically top 10 program should never be anywhere close to 4-28.
Syracuse announces Boeheim's retirement and that Adrian Autry will be the new HC.
The Jim Boeheim era is over at Syracuse
https://news.syr.edu/blog/2023/03/08/adrian-autry-to-take-helm-of-mens-basketball-as-jim-boeheims-storied-career-comes-to-an-end/
Boeheim "retires." Adrian Autry named head coach. Syracuse released a statement that looks like this was in the works for awhile. Boeheim's press conference today sounds like it wasn't his choice.
Boeheim retires.
Adrian Autry in.
Guess Shaka told them no or something
Surprised they'd go with Autry, given the more experienced option in Bernie Fine. Is he not available or something?
Boeheim says he gave his retirement speech at the Syracuse senior day.
Quote from: TwoWords on March 08, 2023, 04:15:23 PM
Surprised they'd go with Autry, given the more experienced option in Bernie Fine. Is he not available or something?
Bernie Fine, really?
He is like 80 years old and was fired about ten years ago for sexually molesting ball boys.
As I type, Boehim gone, Autry in.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 08, 2023, 04:11:57 PM
The Jim Boeheim era is over at Syracuse
https://news.syr.edu/blog/2023/03/08/adrian-autry-to-take-helm-of-mens-basketball-as-jim-boeheims-storied-career-comes-to-an-end/
Retired after 47 years, so started in 1976,, meaning he overlapped with Al? Is he the last to have this distinction?
Did MU/and 'Cuse play each other in 76 or 77?
Quote from: nyg on March 08, 2023, 04:25:19 PM
Bernie Fine, really?
He is like 80 years old and was fired about ten years ago for sexually molesting ball boys.
As I type, Boehim gone, Autry in.
...
(Yes, I am aware of that. F#ck Jim Boeheim and everyone still a part of that program.)
Didn't Mr. HR Guy Keefer, knower of ball, well connected to wealthy Washington donors, announce that Mike Hopkins was absolutely killing it at Washington, would thrive there until Boeheim called it a career, and then would head back out to the other coast to continue his CBB dominance?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 08, 2023, 04:42:23 PM
Didn't Mr. HR Guy Keefer, knower of ball, well connected to wealthy Washington donors, announce that Mike Hopkins was absolutely killing it at Washington, would thrive there until Boeheim called it a career, and then would head back out to the other coast to continue his CBB dominance?
You forgot hater of firefighters, plagiarizer, owner of many patents, grad or all the best universities, satisfier of many women, and epitome of man
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 08, 2023, 04:32:27 PM
Retired after 47 years, so started in 1976,, meaning he overlapped with Al? Is he the last to have this distinction?
Did MU/and 'Cuse play each other in 76 or 77?
Coastal Carolina's Cliff Ellis was HC at South Alabama back then.
Leonard Hamilton was an assistant at Kentucky during the Al years.
Jim Larranaga was an assistant at Davidson.
Boeheim played College Basketball with Dave Bing which is incredible
Quote from: Pakuni on March 08, 2023, 05:06:00 PM
Coastal Carolina's Cliff Ellis was HC at South Alabama back then.
Leonard Hamilton was an assistant at Kentucky during the Al years.
Jim Larranaga was an assistant at Davidson.
Fran Dunphy was an assistant at Army.
Got an opportunity to talk to someone pretty well connected in college hoops today. Take it for what it's worth (And obviously things can change but...) but the exact quote was:
"Shaka is never going to leave Milwaukee."
Felt pretty good to hear
Mark Adams resigns from Texas Tech job.
They gonna call the former guy?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 08, 2023, 09:19:07 PM
Mark Adams resigns from Texas Tech job.
They gonna call the former guy?
Wow. That would be something.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 08, 2023, 04:44:47 PM
You forgot hater of firefighters, plagiarizer, owner of many patents, grad or all the best universities, satisfier of many women, and epitome of man
Better yet, plagiarizer of holocaust denier and jealous of firefighters.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 08, 2023, 09:23:08 PM
Wow. That would be something.
Looking more like Ole Miss. Wonder what qualifies as "due diligence" there?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35812728/sources-chris-beard-emerges-top-ole-miss-candidate
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 08, 2023, 08:47:46 PM
Got an opportunity to talk to someone pretty well connected in college hoops today. Take it for what it's worth (And obviously things can change but...) but the exact quote was:
"Shaka is never going to leave Milwaukee."
Felt pretty good to hear
Man, I love to hear that. We always talked about fit...and this feels like the right one for sure. So very happy to have someone that truly "gets it" and here.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 08, 2023, 08:47:46 PM
Got an opportunity to talk to someone pretty well connected in college hoops today. Take it for what it's worth (And obviously things can change but...) but the exact quote was:
"Shaka is never going to leave Milwaukee."
Felt pretty good to hear
Shaka to the Bucks!
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 08, 2023, 08:47:46 PM
"Shaka is never going to leave Milwaukee."
I mean, he's in NYC right now. So your source is not to be trusted.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2023, 11:13:36 AM
In today's landscape, Louisville should never be so bad they go 4-28
Shows what can happen when you eliminate strippers and hookers from your overall recruiting philosophy.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on March 08, 2023, 11:22:57 PM
Shows what can happen when you eliminate strippers and hookers from your overall recruiting philosophy.
They still had good recruiting. Normally you'd think removing hookers would help the program
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2023, 05:26:43 PM
Boeheim played College Basketball with Dave Bing which is incredible
i know who i would have taken in one on one though
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 08, 2023, 11:52:21 PM
They still had good recruiting. Normally you'd think removing hookers would help the program
Removing hookers, cars, money, etc. would help recruiting at a program like Louisville? Sure.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 09, 2023, 08:08:01 AM
Removing hookers, cars, money, etc. would help recruiting at a program like Louisville? Sure.
I think it was the oyster ban at Porcini's that was the last straw for recruits.
Wisconsin fans are delusional. Names I've heard tossed around on Madison radio today include Jay Wright, Chris Beard, and Buzz Williams!
Half of people saying Gard should get one more year.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 09, 2023, 08:20:00 AM
Wisconsin fans are delusional. Names I've heard tossed around on Madison radio today include Jay Wright, Chris Beard, and Buzz Williams!
Half of people saying Gard should get one more year.
Wait, I thought they hated him.
That would end up being hysterical.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 09, 2023, 08:20:00 AM
Wisconsin fans are delusional. Names I've heard tossed around on Madison radio today include Jay Wright, Chris Beard, and Buzz Williams!
Half of people saying Gard should get one more year.
Chris Beard at UW-Madison would suck because he'd win but the do it the right way crowd would twist themselves into pretzels.
Jay Wright anywhere is interesting. He'll be 61 I believe. That's not old and with the portal and NIL, building a roster can be done on the fly. I'm just not sure he's interested in that approach
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2023, 08:45:31 AM
Chris Beard at UW-Madison would suck because he'd win but the do it the right way crowd would twist themselves into pretzels.
Jay Wright anywhere is interesting. He'll be 61 I believe. That's not old and with the portal and NIL, building a roster can be done on the fly. I'm just not sure he's interested in that approach
I think Jay is just done coaching. And why not? He has money, his youth, and all the accolades. There is something to be said about walking away on top... ya know.
Beard is going to Ole Miss... book it.
Hearing rumblings that Slick Rick might end up at St. John's.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 09, 2023, 08:53:08 AM
I think Jay is just done coaching. And why not? He has money, his youth, and all the accolades. There is something to be said about walking away on top... ya know.
Beard is going to Ole Miss... book it.
Hearing rumblings that Slick Rick might end up at St. John's.
Wow. Just think of all those restaurant tables in NYC that Slick Rick could soil.
If Wardle somehow gets promoted to a higher conference , I could see Crean promoting himself and lobbying heavily for the Bradley job.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 09, 2023, 08:53:08 AM
I think Jay is just done coaching. And why not? He has money, his youth, and all the accolades. There is something to be said about walking away on top... ya know.
Beard is going to Ole Miss... book it.
Hearing rumblings that Slick Rick might end up at St. John's.
You think StJ fans are quietly hoping that if they lose, they get destroyed by Marquette today so that Mike Anderson can get canned more easily?
I'll never forget March 2021 when rumors started to fly that Marquette would move on from Wojo- I had been following the Shaka at Texas situation very closely since I always thought he would be a great fit at Marquette.
I saw the bracket and instantly thought to myself man I hope Abilene Christian upsets Texas and Shaka gets fired and moves on to Marquette.
I remember telling my friends that Abilene Christian would beat Texas and it would lead to Shaka at Marquette and they thought I was crazy.
They weren't wrong I guess.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 09, 2023, 08:53:08 AM
I think Jay is just done coaching. And why not? He has money, his youth, and all the accolades. There is something to be said about walking away on top... ya know.
Beard is going to Ole Miss... book it.
Hearing rumblings that Slick Rick might end up at St. John's.
I've seen the St. John's stuff, too. I think GTown needs a program builder. Pitino at St. John's makes sense on both sides. Again, I'd like to see his staff and he has a coach-in-waiting with him
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2023, 09:08:55 AM
I've seen the St. John's stuff, too. I think GTown needs a program builder. Pitino at St. John's makes sense on both sides. Again, I'd like to see his staff and he has a coach-in-waiting with him
That's just it. Rick is 70.
He's got what, 3-5 years in him?
That's enough time to build something, but there has to be a 'next man up' mentality for when Rick would need to step away.
Quote from: pbiflyer on March 09, 2023, 08:28:40 AM
Wait, I thought they hated him.
That would end up being hysterical.
The person actually prefaced it with that. "I know we hated him because of where he used to coach, but what about Buzz Williams."
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 09, 2023, 08:53:08 AM
I think Jay is just done coaching. And why not? He has money, his youth, and all the accolades. There is something to be said about walking away on top... ya know.
Beard is going to Ole Miss... book it.
Hearing rumblings that Slick Rick might end up at St. John's.
+1 to all of this.
What some people don't understand is that Jay Wright likes Philadelphia. He thinks its the best city in the world.
He has lived in Philly 47 years of his life, and in the state of Pennsylvania 50 years of his life.
If Jay Wright becomes the coach at UW, the Badgers instantly become my 2nd fave team. And I can't stand them right now. #pureClass
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on March 09, 2023, 09:34:27 AM
If Jay Wright becomes the coach at UW, the Badgers instantly become my 2nd fave team. And I can't stand them right now. #pureClass
I think it's more likely MU fires Shaka to hire Pitino than Wright coaches at UW.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 09, 2023, 09:35:16 AM
I think it's more likely MU fires Shaka to hire Pitino than Wright coaches at UW.
YEP
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 09, 2023, 09:35:16 AM
I think it's more likely MU fires Shaka to hire Pitino than Wright coaches at UW.
And brings on Billy Donovan to be Rick's assistant and head coach in waiting.
Same with UW hiring Chris Beard or Buzz Williams. Although Buzz was petty enough to risk his attractiveness as a candidate for the best jobs available in order to punt a season to stick it to MU, so maybe he'd coach UW to stick it to MU even more.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/09/rick-pitino-is-the-wake-up-call-st-johns-needs/
If Pitino leaves Iona, St. John's is the perfect place for him. If anyone is going to revive that program, it would be him. A strong SJU program (along with Georgetown) is good for the Big East and good for MU.
Will potion be around long enough to really "revive" the program? I almost think he'd be around just long enough to build one or two solid years and then retire, not sure that's enough to revive the program any more so than Lavin did (albeit a considerably higher ceiling)
Ewing has been terminated.
Pitino would accept a local job like SJU because he doesn't want to be far from his home at Winged Foot.
Ewing's job candidates should start pretty soon with the rumor talks. Patrick has a net worth of 80 million, he needs to buy a yacht and chill out.
Mark Fox fired as coach at Cal.
Quote from: nyg on March 09, 2023, 05:04:00 PM
Mark Fox fired as coach at Cal.
I can't recall someone whose career fell off a cliff so quickly after promotion like Fox. He was very mediocre at UGA and then absolutely horrific at Cal. But then again, once he was past Trent Johnson's recruits at Nevada, his teams slipped the last 2 years.
Coincidentally, Johnson's career aggressively fell off a cliff post Nevada as well, but not before a few good years at Stanford including f-ing 2008.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 09, 2023, 05:30:15 PM
I can't recall someone whose career fell off a cliff so quickly after promotion like Fox. He was very mediocre at UGA and then absolutely horrific at Cal. But then again, once he was past Trent Johnson's recruits at Nevada, his teams slipped the last 2 years.
Coincidentally, Johnson's career aggressively fell off a cliff post Nevada as well, but not before a few good years at Stanford including f-ing 2008.
Cal is a dumpster fire because they choose to light the dumpster on fire.
If we're being fair to Fox.
It looks like the Gtown job is available.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 09, 2023, 05:58:49 PM
It looks like the Gtown job is available.
https://sports.yahoo.com/georgetown-fires-head-coach-patrick-ewing-after-6-seasons-230203270.html
Just to add to the Cooley to Georgetown thing. Cooley's idol was John Thompson and he has a daughter at Georgetown now. FWIW.
Should be an interesting few weeks with some big time openings.
Quote from: nyg on March 09, 2023, 06:39:29 PM
Just to add to the Cooley to Georgetown thing. Cooley's idol was John Thompson and he has a daughter at Georgetown now. FWIW.
Should be an interesting few weeks with some big time openings.
I think Micah Shrewsberry gets some play at GTown, too
Quote from: shoothoops on March 09, 2023, 09:26:07 AM
What some people don't understand is that Jay Wright likes Philadelphia. He thinks its the best city in the world.
He has lived in Philly 47 years of his life, and in the state of Pennsylvania 50 years of his life.
I now question Jay Wright's judgment.
Some one came up with the coin to pay out Ewing.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 09, 2023, 08:16:04 PM
I now question Jay Wright's judgment.
It's better than St. Louis.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 09, 2023, 08:16:04 PM
I now question Jay Wright's judgment.
Nah. Philly's a good place. I'd prefer to live in a little more variety of cities than just one for so long, but, good for him if that's what he likes and wants. I can see why other schools and sports media would have frequent interest in him as a coach.
Beard to the SEC; just "like peas and carrots".
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 24, 2023, 11:19:59 AM
Do you think Jay Wright will coach college ball again? He is only 61 and if the $$$$$$$$$ is right?
Al retired at 50 if you remember correctly...
https://nypost.com/2023/03/09/rick-pitino-is-the-wake-up-call-st-johns-needs/
Sounds like us two years ago. You think Rick can turn the Johnnies around?
Quote from: axaguy on March 09, 2023, 10:34:44 PM
Al retired at 50 if you remember correctly...
My guess with the current state of coaches salaries, Al wouldn't have retired at 50.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 10, 2023, 08:31:12 AM
https://nypost.com/2023/03/09/rick-pitino-is-the-wake-up-call-st-johns-needs/
Sounds like us two years ago. You think Rick can turn the Johnnies around?
It's Rick Pitino. Yes, of course. The man is a legend.
But they have to get him first.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2023, 06:45:13 PM
I think Micah Shrewsberry gets some play at GTown, too
I think he'll just end up staying and taking the raise at Penn St. Once Izzo leaves, which is likely the end of next year, the Big10 is probably gonna be Painter and then a bunch of solid (B to B+) coaches.
He might be in the tourney after last night. Penn State's first time in 12 years. Only their 5th time since the 60's. And Pickett could be an All-American.
His son is enrolling next year along with Carey Booth. Carey is pretty good, MU was one of his final few teams. His dad is the Nuggets GM and was a former Penn State player.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 10, 2023, 08:44:06 AM
It's Rick Pitino. Yes, of course. The man is a legend.
But they have to get him first.
Rick makes a ton of sense.
Despite previous transgressions, he's turned his career back around in a really clever way.
He stepped across the pond and did a helluva job coaching Panathinaikos in Greece for a few seasons and then had a short stint with the National Team. He became admired amongst Panathinaikos fans in short order.
He's a great coach overall, but can flat out coach defense.
He then came back to America to coach at Iona, which to many was a head scratching move, but he's long said he wanted to coach back in America even if at a lower level. He's done well there as expected.
His son, Rick Pitino Jr, is an up and coming young head coach. I'm not quite sure the fit is great with Ricky junya over in NM. He's an East coach kid with a lot of east coast ties thru his dad. He went to Providence. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Rick pushed for a sort of a package deal with his son at St John's- senior coaches for 2-5 years and then paves the way for Jr to take the spot.
Not sure if StJ would be ok with this, if I was them I definitely would, and I'm not sure how it would be structured but I could definitely see it play out that way if they went the Rick way.
Another option, as odd as it would seem, would be to just bring in Rick Pitino Jr and make dad his associate head coach.
That would definitely be outside the box, but again I feel like StJ could do much worse.
That team would be tough as nails defensively and establish an identity in short order (cue the identity jokes about waitresses in Manhattan)
Rick jr couldn't win at Minnesota, if his last name wasn't pitino nobody would've given him a glance right now.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 10, 2023, 09:03:22 AM
Rick makes a ton of sense.
Despite previous transgressions, he's turned his career back around in a really clever way.
He stepped across the pond and did a helluva job coaching Panathinaikos in Greece for a few seasons and then had a short stint with the National Team. He became admired amongst Panathinaikos fans in short order.
He's a great coach overall, but can flat out coach defense.
He then came back to America to coach at Iona, which to many was a head scratching move, but he's long said he wanted to coach back in America even if at a lower level. He's done well there as expected.
His son, Rick Pitino Jr, is an up and coming young head coach. I'm not quite sure the fit is great with Ricky junya over in NM. He's an East coach kid with a lot of east coast ties thru his dad. He went to Providence. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Rick pushed for a sort of a package deal with his son at St John's- senior coaches for 2-5 years and then paves the way for Jr to take the spot.
Not sure if StJ would be ok with this, if I was them I definitely would, and I'm not sure how it would be structured but I could definitely see it play out that way if they went the Rick way.
Another option, as odd as it would seem, would be to just bring in Rick Pitino Jr and make dad his associate head coach.
That would definitely be outside the box, but again I feel like StJ could do much worse.
That team would be tough as nails defensively and establish an identity in short order (cue the identity jokes about waitresses in Manhattan)
Follow me on this one... and imagine the stories....
Cooley to Georgetown
Pitino Sr to St Johns
Pitino Jr to Providence
Unfortunately, I think the problem with Jr. is that the apple falls too far from the tree.
But how cool would the rivalries be if those moves took place? A man can dream.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 10, 2023, 09:19:23 AM
Follow me on this one... and imagine the stories....
Cooley to Georgetown
Pitino Sr to St Johns
Pitino Jr to Providence
Unfortunately, I think the problem with Jr. is that the apple falls too far from the tree.
But how cool would the rivalries be if those moves took place? A man can dream.
Would be worth it just for the providence fan reaction
Al retired at 48 because he wanted to make some real money. He thought Medalist was the way. Turns out NBC Sports was.
Quote from: The Lens on March 10, 2023, 09:23:22 AM
Al retired at 48 because he wanted to make some real money. He thought Medalist was the way. Turns out NBC Sports was.
Dont know that he made more money with NBC. He just wanted better hours and less corporate reins.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 10, 2023, 09:25:36 AM
Dont know that he made more money with NBC. He just wanted better hours and less corporate reins.
You start cashing those speaking engagement gigs that come with an NBC post and the money adds up.
I would enjoy seeing PC fans heads explode if Cooley went to Georgetown. Can you imagine losing your alma mater's arguably best coach (who stuck around for more than 2 years) to a conference rival....who has been the doormat of the conference for the better part of a decade?
Quote from: DoctorV on March 10, 2023, 09:03:22 AM
His son, Rick Pitino Jr, is an up and coming young head coach. I'm not quite sure the fit is great with Ricky junya over in NM. He's an East coach kid with a lot of east coast ties thru his dad. He went to Providence. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Rick pushed for a sort of a package deal with his son at St John's- senior coaches for 2-5 years and then paves the way for Jr to take the spot.
Not sure if StJ would be ok with this, if I was them I definitely would, and I'm not sure how it would be structured but I could definitely see it play out that way if they went the Rick way.
Is he though? He's been a head coach for 11 seasons already, and has been pretty mediocre in general.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 10, 2023, 09:57:22 AM
Is he though? He's been a head coach for 11 seasons already, and has been pretty mediocre in general.
Up and coming, he is not. Also, he's 40 years old, that's not young in coaching circles. At this point, he would be a retread hire for another power conference program.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 10, 2023, 09:19:23 AM
Follow me on this one... and imagine the stories....
Cooley to Georgetown
Pitino Sr to St Johns
Pitino Jr to Providence
Unfortunately, I think the problem with Jr. is that the apple falls too far from the tree.
But how cool would the rivalries be if those moves took place? A man can dream.
C'mon man, dis chit has less than 0% chance of goin' down. Da
Pitinos are flawed for a smorgasbord of reasons and Cooley has pontiff status at PC. Dream 'bout udder, more important minutia, hey?
Quote from: shoothoops on March 09, 2023, 08:37:18 PM
Nah. Philly's a good place. I'd prefer to live in a little more variety of cities than just one for so long, but, good for him if that's what he likes and wants. I can see why other schools and sports media would have frequent interest in him as a coach.
I've worked in Philadelphia a fair amount. The place might be nice, but the people suck.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 10, 2023, 10:45:48 AM
C'mon man, dis chit has less than 0% chance of goin' down. Da
Pitinos are flawed for a smorgasbord of reasons and Cooley has pontiff status at PC. Dream 'bout udder, more important minutia, hey?
I didn't say it was probable, just that it'd be fun.
Say goodbye to Josh Pastner. Georgia Tech open.
Quote from: nyg on March 10, 2023, 01:15:59 PM
Say goodbye to Josh Pastner. Georgia Tech open.
Wojo a possibility for The Rambling Wreck?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 09, 2023, 08:21:11 PM
It's better than St. Louis.
Brother Sultan:
But St. Louis has
better baseball, which makes up for an awful lot.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Wojo a possibility for The Rambling Wreck?
Wojo to GT. Need a coach there that can assure MU 2 easy wins every year.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 10, 2023, 01:30:20 PM
Brother Sultan:
But St. Louis has better baseball, which makes up for an awful lot.
uh-oh
Quote from: willie warrior on March 10, 2023, 01:32:51 PM
Wojo to GT. Need a coach there that can assure MU 2 easy wins every year.
We play Georgia Tech twice a year? Where have I been
Quote from: swoopem on March 10, 2023, 01:52:15 PM
We play Georgia Tech twice a year? Where have I been
I think his GT is Georgetown. (Which is really GU)
Quote from: willie warrior on March 10, 2023, 01:32:51 PM
Wojo to GT. Need a coach there that can assure MU 2 easy wins every year.
That would help because McDermott owns Shaka
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 10, 2023, 01:54:10 PM
I think his GT is Georgetown. (Which is really GU)
Except he responded to and quoted a post specifically about Georgia Tech.
Wee willie knows ball.
If there is poetic justice in the world, this is it....
https://www.outkick.com/wisconsin-greg-gard-job-security-replacement-options/
I wish no ill on Greg Gard. He's a good coach in a really bad position. But it's ironic that some are discussing replacing Wisconsin's head basketball coach while we're about to be a 2 or 3 seed in next week's NCAA.
Hail Shaka!!!
Oh, and there's no way Nate Oats is coming to Madison, so you crummy Road Killians better get that notion out of your head!
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 10, 2023, 02:12:55 PM
Except he responded to and quoted a post specifically about Georgia Tech.
Wee willie knows ball.
If he knew ball, his Warriors pennant would be up in his living room, not his basement
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 10, 2023, 02:13:14 PM
If there is poetic justice in the world, this is it....
https://www.outkick.com/wisconsin-greg-gard-job-security-replacement-options/
I wish no ill on Greg Gard. He's a good coach in a really bad position. But it's ironic that some are discussing replacing Wisconsin's head basketball coach while we're about to be a 2 or 3 seed in next week's NCAA.
Hail Shaka!!!
Oh, and there's no way Nate Oats is coming to Madison, so you crummy Road Killians better get that notion out of your head!
John Beilein? Lol. Big fan of him but he's in his early 70's.
STJ fires Mike anderson.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 10, 2023, 01:30:20 PM
Brother Sultan:
But St. Louis has better baseball, which makes up for an awful lot.
Baseball sucks.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2023, 02:16:04 PM
John Beilein? Lol. Big fan of him but he's in his early 70's.
That's a more realistic choice for UW than Danny Sprinkle. FFS, they aren't firing Gard to hire the guy from Montana State who's never lived east of Bozeman.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 10, 2023, 02:22:04 PM
That's a more realistic choice for UW than Danny Sprinkle. FFS, they aren't firing Gard to hire the guy from Montana State who's never lived east of Bozeman.
They'll get Brad Stevens anyway
Pitino to St. John's
Brey to Georgetown
Quote from: swoopem on March 10, 2023, 01:52:15 PM
We play Georgia Tech twice a year? Where have I been
If you don't know, GT is also short for Georgetown
There it is spelled out so you can reason it better
Quote from: willie warrior on March 10, 2023, 02:54:48 PM
If you don't know, GT is also short for Georgetown
There it is spelled out so you can reason it better
People that graduated from Georgetown never use GT, they prefer GTown
Quote from: willie warrior on March 10, 2023, 02:54:48 PM
If you don't know, GT is also short for Georgetown
There it is spelled out so you can reason it better
Thanks, for a minute there I was almost confused
Quote from: swoopem on March 10, 2023, 03:00:58 PM
Thanks, for a minute there I was almost confused
Lol
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2023, 02:53:21 PM
Pitino to St. John's
Brey to Georgetown
No matter what people say about Pitino, he's a winner and his personality is tailor made for the Big East. A little N Y C swagger is good for the Conference.
And Brey at Georgetown would be like him going home. I always thought he was a class act.
IMO, both of these guys would be great additions to the BE.
Sorry but Brey would be a terrible hire at Georgetown. That's a program that needs some new energy, and that's not coming from Brey.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 10, 2023, 03:33:07 PM
Sorry but Brey would be a terrible hire at Georgetown. That's a program that needs some new energy, and that's not coming from Brey.
Scoop loves the old guys, lol.
Yeah, let's hire a coach that just spent the season at ND completely checked out and who's program has been slipping since 2016. Plus, his teams were incredibly soft and he has shown less and less energy as the years went by. ND got rid of him for a reason.
Agreed. If Brey can't win at Notre Dame, why would he be any better an Georgetown? And would it even be a better job?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2023, 02:14:52 PM
If he knew ball, his Warriors pennant would be up in his living room, not his basement
He don't know.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 10, 2023, 03:33:07 PM
Sorry but Brey would be a terrible hire at Georgetown. That's a program that needs some new energy, and that's not coming from Brey.
Don't disagree and hope GTown does better. Just guesses on my end
Wojo should be applying for Georgia Tech and Georgetown. He won't have to change his Power Point to Much.
GU should hire Condi Rice as coach
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on March 10, 2023, 02:17:27 PM
STJ fires Mike anderson.
a little bit surprised, but not shocked. andy seemed to have the johnnies going in the right direction. they were no push-overs, but inconsistent. can't take any days off in this biness
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 10, 2023, 04:29:39 PM
GU should hire Condi Rice as coach
Why not? She can do anything. It might cut into her time at Augusta.
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1634320450846171136?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
Always seemed way out of his depths. Even at a low major.
Quote from: panda on March 10, 2023, 05:01:07 PM
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1634320450846171136?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
Always seemed way out of his depths. Even at a low major.
Brett Nelson was good at teaching players to shoot. An ideal assistant.
Going to a Patriot League team where it is hard to recruit is not an ideal way to start out as a Head Coach.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 10, 2023, 04:42:07 PM
a little bit surprised, but not shocked. andy seemed to have the johnnies going in the right direction. they were no push-overs, but inconsistent. can't take any days off in this biness
17-15, 8th place BE
16-11, 4th
17-15, 7th
18-15, 8th
No post-season appearances. They weren't going anywhere.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 10, 2023, 05:25:41 PM
17-15, 8th place BE
16-11, 4th
17-15, 7th
18-15, 8th
No post-season appearances. They weren't going anywhere.
And every year was the same. Big new transfer or recruit, big preseason expectations, score a bunch of points in non conference games, then implosion.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 10, 2023, 05:25:41 PM
17-15, 8th place BE
16-11, 4th
17-15, 7th
18-15, 8th
No post-season appearances. They weren't going anywhere.
You don't know 🏀
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 10, 2023, 05:25:41 PM
17-15, 8th place BE
16-11, 4th
17-15, 7th
18-15, 8th
No post-season appearances. They weren't going anywhere.
Mike Anderson reminded me a lot of Wojo.
He had some good players, but never managed to do anything of note with them.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 10, 2023, 08:25:06 PM
Mike Anderson reminded me a lot of Wojo.
He had some good players, but never managed to do anything of note with them.
He'd have been fine staying at a school like UAB.
Looks like the other GT is open now, too. So that's 4 MU major opponents from this past year. If the Rodents pulled the plug on Gard (don't think they will), that'd be 5.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 10, 2023, 02:54:48 PM
If you don't know, GT is also short for Georgetown
There it is spelled out so you can reason it better
Which is why you replied to post specifically about Georgia Tech
Pitino back in the Big East will help in the leagues coming TV negotiations with Fox. If Georgetown could find a Marquee type coach it would also help.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 10, 2023, 08:42:12 PM
Which is why you replied to post specifically about Georgia Tech
Leave him alone. He's busy complaining about Joplin
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 10, 2023, 08:25:06 PM
Mike Anderson reminded me a lot of Wojo.
He had some good players, but never managed to do anything of note with them.
Mike Anderson isn't a great coach but c'mon.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 10, 2023, 08:45:09 PM
Mike Anderson isn't a great coach but c'mon.
Mike Anderson record and win percentage at St. Johns: 68–56 (.548)
Wojos: 128–95 (.574)
I dunno man, neither got anything meaningful accomplished.
Mike Anderson was very good at Mizzou. He was very close to a Final Four in his 3rd season there, 31 wins, Elite 8. Lost to UConn. He had it going. Stayed 5 seasons. Frank Haith won a lot his first 2 seasons with Anderson's players, including another 30 win season.
Arkansas was the one school that would cause him to leave. He was an assistant there for 17 years. (He also was an assistant under Nolan Richardson at Tulsa, after playing for him as well.) After they had success at Tulsa, at Arkansas, they went on to 13 NCAA Tourneys, 3 Final Fours, an NCAA Title, 7 regular season league titles, etc...
It wasn't until he returned to Arkansas where success wasn't the same. But he was a very good successful HC at Mizzou.
Speaking of Mizzou, Dennis Gates received a raise and extension through 2028-2029, $4 Million per year, goes up $100k each year.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 10, 2023, 09:02:17 PM
Mike Anderson was very good at Mizzou. He was very close to a Final Four in his 3rd season there, 31 wins, Elite 8. Lost to UConn. He had it going. Stayed 5 seasons. Frank Haith won a lot his first 2 seasons with Anderson's players, including another 30 win season.
Arkansas was the one school that would cause him to leave. He was an assistant there for 17 years. (He also was an assistant under Nolan Richardson at Tulsa, after playing for him as well.) After they had success at Tulsa, at Arkansas, they went on to 13 NCAA Tourneys, 3 Final Fours, an NCAA Title, 7 regular season league titles, etc...
It wasn't until he returned to Arkansas where success wasn't the same. But he was a very good successful HC at Mizzou.
Speaking of Mizzou, Dennis Gates received a raise and extension through 2028-2029, $4 Million per year, goes up $100k each year.
The Johnnies have been the same program for the last twenty years no matter who the coach is. Have a collection of individuals but never put together a cohesive team.
I thought Anderson could change that , but it was more of the same during his tenure.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2023, 09:08:30 PM
The Johnnies have been the same program for the last twenty years no matter who the coach is. Have a collection of individuals but never put together a cohesive team.
I thought Anderson could change that , but it was more of the same during his tenure.
St. John's is a tough job and fit for many people. Even at Arkansas, Anderson had 3 top 4 league finishes, NCAA Tourneys. But down years were mixing in more often during those 8 years.
Still has his streak of 21 seasons as a HC, and has never had a losing season.
https://sports.yahoo.com/rick-pitino-returning-to-big-time-college-basketball-its-no-longer-a-matter-of-if-but-where-225103955.html
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 10, 2023, 09:57:22 AM
Is he though? He's been a head coach for 11 seasons already, and has been pretty mediocre in general.
To his dad he is, and that might be all that matters in this scenario
Can't believe Georgetown made the Big East Tournament again this year and they still fired Ewing.
STJ has a lot of talent and all coming back, surprised they pulled the trigger.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 11, 2023, 12:19:35 AM
STJ has a lot of talent and all coming back, surprised they pulled the trigger.
Wild guess that STJ's assumes the window to get Pitino is this spring and has already had backdoor conversations with him, hence why they didn't give Anderson another year.
Quote from: cven7 on March 11, 2023, 08:12:48 AM
Wild guess that STJ's assumes the window to get Pitino is this spring and has already had backdoor conversations with him, hence why they didn't give Anderson another year.
I don't think that's a wild guess. It's probably exactly what's happened.
Brian Gregory out at South Florida.
Expecting Crean will lobby hard for this job since he now lives in the area.
https://www.thedailystampede.com/platform/amp/2023/3/10/23634247/report-usf-mens-basketball-coach-brian-gregory-fired-after-six-seasons-aac-michael-kelly-cbi
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 11, 2023, 08:50:36 AM
Brian Gregory out at South Florida.
Expecting Crean will lobby hard for this job since he now lives in the area.
https://www.thedailystampede.com/platform/amp/2023/3/10/23634247/report-usf-mens-basketball-coach-brian-gregory-fired-after-six-seasons-aac-michael-kelly-cbi
It's South Florida. It's South Florida.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 11, 2023, 08:54:52 AM
It's South Florida. It's South Florida.
It's been a while since a post made me actually chuckle out loud.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2023, 05:23:34 PM
Brett Nelson was good at teaching players to shoot. An ideal assistant.
Going to a Patriot League team where it is hard to recruit is not an ideal way to start out as a Head Coach.
Well, that's kind of the deal for a young and unproven coach. You have to take what you can to build your resume. Almost all those jobs are difficult programs and leagues to sell to high schoolers. The good ones find a way.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 11, 2023, 08:54:52 AM
It's South Florida. It's South Florida.
Well, it's west central Florida. USF is directionally challenged.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 11, 2023, 08:50:36 AM
Brian Gregory out at South Florida.
Expecting Crean will lobby hard for this job since he now lives in the area.
https://www.thedailystampede.com/platform/amp/2023/3/10/23634247/report-usf-mens-basketball-coach-brian-gregory-fired-after-six-seasons-aac-michael-kelly-cbi
Izzo coaching tree. Crean followed Sampson at I4, now Gregory at ISF^2
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2023, 09:08:30 PM
The Johnnies have been the same program for the last twenty years no matter who the coach is. Have a collection of individuals but never put together a cohesive team.
I thought Anderson could change that , but it was more of the same during his tenure.
.
Rebuilds are a bitch.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 10, 2023, 09:08:30 PM
The Johnnies have been the same program for the last twenty years no matter who the coach is. Have a collection of individuals but never put together a cohesive team.
I thought Anderson could change that , but it was more of the same during his tenure.
That's an excellent summation of the St John's program.
Anderson is a good coach. A mid major would do very well to get him. I don't see a high major showing interest in him again.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 11, 2023, 09:45:39 AM
That's an excellent summation of the St John's program.
Anderson is a good coach. A mid major would do very well to get him. I don't see a high major showing interest in him again.
I get the feeling that if Pitino wasn't available, Anderson would still be the SJU coach.
Goodman says Micah Shrewsberry is a top candidate for Georgetown.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1634607245961953285?s=20
Quote from: Pakuni on March 11, 2023, 11:31:47 AM
Goodman says Micah Shrewsberry is a top candidate for Georgetown.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1634607245961953285?s=20
Would be a good pick. Optics would look good for the conference.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 11, 2023, 11:33:54 AM
Would be a good pick. Optics would look good for the conference.
Still say the Domers
Quote from: Pakuni on March 11, 2023, 11:31:47 AM
Goodman says Micah Shrewsberry is a top candidate for Georgetown.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1634607245961953285?s=20
I've believed this to be the play since last year.
Poaching a successful B1G coach? Love it.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 11, 2023, 11:31:47 AM
Goodman says Micah Shrewsberry is a top candidate for Georgetown.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1634607245961953285?s=20
That, or Goodman is try to get him a raise at Penn State. Goodman loves getting coaches raises
I was going to ask if a somewhat successful Big-Whatever coach would be interested in the GU job? It would be fun if Micah took the step up into the best hoops conference in the country...:)
Quote from: manny31 on March 11, 2023, 11:41:06 AM
I was going to ask if a somewhat successful Big-Whatever coach would be interested in the GU job? It would be fun if Micah took the step up into the best hoops conference in the country...:)
Ceiling isn't very high at Penn State. Much higher at Georgetown.
Quote from: Efficient Frontier on March 11, 2023, 09:07:44 AM
It's been a while since a post made me actually chuckle out loud.
I did the same thing. I read it with Crean's voice, too.
Walt is hearing Tan Tom is a leading candidate (?):
Walt The ShineMaster
@WaltShineMaster
Replying to @GoodmanHoops
and @Stadium
All the @GeorgetownHoops boosters I've networked with have mentioned
@TomCrean as the top candidate. The two sides have engaged in talks.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on March 11, 2023, 11:53:25 AM
Walt is hearing Tan Tom is a leading candidate (?):
Walt The ShineMaster
@WaltShineMaster
Replying to @GoodmanHoops
and @Stadium
All the @GeorgetownHoops boosters I've networked with have mentioned
@TomCrean as the top candidate. The two sides have engaged in talks.
Yep this sounds about right for that pathetic program
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2023, 09:48:23 AM
I get the feeling that if Pitino wasn't available, Anderson would still be the SJU coach.
Not loving the prospect of having Pitino in the conference. The NBE has had a reputation for being squeaky clean.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 11, 2023, 12:00:38 PM
Not loving the prospect of having Pitino in the conference. The NBE has had a reputation for being squeaky clean.
Sean Miller agrees. :o
Hmmm...
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
One source on Georgetown and Rick Pitino:
"Rick would walk to Georgetown. It would be done in 5 minutes. But the Hoyas aren't going in that direction."
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
Georgetown will make a run at Providence coach Ed Cooley, source told @Stadium.
No surprise, obviously.
Sources say that Cooley will listen to the Hoyas offer.
I'd still be surprised if Cooley actually makes that move within the league.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on March 11, 2023, 12:22:39 PM
Hmmm...
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
One source on Georgetown and Rick Pitino:
"Rick would walk to Georgetown. It would be done in 5 minutes. But the Hoyas aren't going in that direction."
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
Georgetown will make a run at Providence coach Ed Cooley, source told @Stadium.
No surprise, obviously.
Sources say that Cooley will listen to the Hoyas offer.
I'd still be surprised if Cooley actually makes that move within the league.
So they'll pass on Pitino, strike out on a Cooley and settle for TC. Sounds about right
Maybe everyone is joking, but there's no chance Georgetown hires Tom Crean. There's quite a bit of Twitter noise about him and Western Kentucky though.
Pete Thamel:
Georgetown:
Strong preference for Cooley. Cites NIL challenges at Providence. Brey back up choice. No mention of Shrewsbury.
Notre Dame:
Shrewsberry
Langel
Holtmann
Devries
St. John's:
Pitino
Quote from: shoothoops on March 11, 2023, 12:53:14 PM
Pete Thamel:
Georgetown:
Strong preference for Cooley. Sites NIL challenges at Providence. Brey back up choice. No mention of Shrewsbury.
Notre Dame:
Shrewsberry
Langel
Holtmann
Devries
St. John's:
Pitino
Georgetown's president is on the ncaa board. You're not escaping NIL challenges going to Georgetown.
Quote from: panda on March 11, 2023, 02:22:50 PM
Georgetown's president is on the ncaa board. You're not escaping NIL challenges going to Georgetown.
What does one have to do with the other?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 11, 2023, 02:31:11 PM
What does one have to do with the other?
An NCAA board member will be less likely to allow his institution to play the "Wild West" (ncaa viewpoint not mine) game of NIL than someone not directly associated with the NCAA.
Quote from: panda on March 11, 2023, 02:38:51 PM
An NCAA board member will be less likely to allow his institution to play the "Wild West" (ncaa viewpoint not mine) game of NIL than someone not directly associated with the NCAA.
My guess is Cooley's frustrations is lack of money. Not inability to go all "Wild West."
Anyway Fanta tweeted that it looks like Georgetown got whomever they were targeting.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 11, 2023, 03:01:02 PM
My guess is Cooley's frustrations is lack of money. Not inability to go all "Wild West."
Anyway Fanta tweeted that it looks like Georgetown got whomever they were targeting.
I just saw a report they are targeting Shrewsberry.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 11, 2023, 12:53:14 PM
Pete Thamel:
Georgetown:
Strong preference for Cooley. Cites NIL challenges at Providence. Brey back up choice. No mention of Shrewsbury.
Notre Dame:
Shrewsberry
Langel
Holtmann
Devries
St. John's:
Pitino
An older SH fan sitting behind us during the PC/UCONN game told me the reason that PC was playing so poorly (until their rally that was too little, too late) was that the players learned that Cooley was open to discussions with GT. I checked the net after the game and saw nothing to indicate that there was any truth to it, as I really suspected he was shooting BS. I have no idea where he got that info, but I was not believing it at the time.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 11, 2023, 03:01:02 PM
My guess is Cooley's frustrations is lack of money. Not inability to go all "Wild West."
Anyway Fanta tweeted that it looks like Georgetown got whomever they were targeting.
Good points as always sultan
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 11, 2023, 03:01:02 PM
My guess is Cooley's frustrations is lack of money. Not inability to go all "Wild West."
Anyway Fanta tweeted that it looks like Georgetown got whomever they were targeting.
Been told it's Jim Boeheim
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 11, 2023, 03:01:02 PM
My guess is Cooley's frustrations is lack of money. Not inability to go all "Wild West."
Anyway Fanta tweeted that it looks like Georgetown got whomever they were targeting.
Given the Fanta tweet, the mike Brey timeline aligns
Quote from: panda on March 11, 2023, 03:27:28 PM
Given the Fanta tweet, the mike Brey timeline aligns
It's kind of an uninspiring hire if that's the case. He's solid but I would have thought gtown would target someone that could bring them back to the glory days.
Brey would be beyond uninspiring. Can't believe you'd do all this work to get out from the Thompson legacy - only to hire him.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 11, 2023, 12:53:14 PM
Pete Thamel:
Georgetown:
Strong preference for Cooley. Cites NIL challenges at Providence. Brey back up choice. No mention of Shrewsbury.
Notre Dame:
Shrewsberry
Langel
Holtmann
Devries
St. John's:
Pitino
Langel could be an awesome snag for ND. Not sure why Holtmann would be all that appealing at this point.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 11, 2023, 03:29:14 PM
It's kind of an uninspiring hire if that's the case. He's solid but I would have thought gtown would target someone that could bring them back to the glory days.
Brey hasn't made the second weekend in 8 years. In that period, he's only made the NCAA twice and has finished under .500 3 times. That would be wildly uninspiring, but I guess that speaks to the attractiveness of the GT job at this point.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 11, 2023, 03:36:25 PM
Brey would be beyond uninspiring. Can't believe you'd do all this work to get out from the Thompson legacy - only to hire him.
Agreed. He's 63 years old and Notre Dame finished 11-21 this year. He's a good guy, but that would be a hilariously bad hire by Georgetown. He'd be good on TV or as a younger coach's Jerry Wainwright, but he's washed up as a head coach.
If Gtown hires Brey...they should be removed from the BEAST. Shrewsbury seems like a good hire. If he lands at Gtown and Rick lands at St. Johns...
Some damn good coaching pedigree in the BEAST.
What is so attractive about Shrewsberry? His 10th place finish and .500 record in a weak Big 14? Because if it's a nice run thus far in their tournament, that's really short sighted.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 11, 2023, 04:11:31 PM
What is so attractive about Shrewsberry? His 10th place finish and .500 record in a weak Big 14? Because if it's a nice run thus far in their tournament, that's really short sighted.
Reputation in coaching circles is high. Some talk he could coach in the NBA
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 11, 2023, 04:25:10 PM
Reputation in coaching circles is high. Some talk he could coach in the NBA
So could Quinn Snyder. He worked out well in the NCAA
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 11, 2023, 04:29:05 PM
So could Quinn Snyder. He worked out well in the NCAA
It's unfair to Shrewsberry to compare the two.
Shrewsberry is a highly respected guy that has coached under Matt Painter and Brad Stevens in college and Brad Stevens in the NBA.
Snyder has been an NBA coach for nine years!?! Holy crap. No wonder the NBA product sucks.
Quote from: FartyEightHours on March 11, 2023, 04:46:24 PM
Snyder has been an NBA coach for nine years!?! Holy crap. No wonder the NBA product sucks.
He's been a very successful NBA coach
Even worse.
Quinn Snyder is a crackhead. I still can't believe this guy is coaching.
Quote from: FartyEightHours on March 11, 2023, 04:49:30 PM
Quinn Snyder is a crackhead. I still can't believe this guy is coaching.
Why? People can't get better?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 11, 2023, 04:41:25 PM
It's unfair to Shrewsberry to compare the two.
Shrewsberry is a highly respected guy that has coached under Matt Painter and Brad Stevens in college and Brad Stevens in the NBA.
He was also a head coach in South Bend.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2023, 04:53:55 PM
He was also a head coach in South Bend.
I'd tell people questioning his bona fides to do a little research. His name has been mentioned for a long time for a lot of jobs. He's been picky about what job he took and he's gotten Penn State to the Big Ten tourney final. Dude can coach
He's finished 10th and this year 9th in the Big Ten. Am I missing something?
Quote from: FartyEightHours on March 11, 2023, 04:59:07 PM
He's finished 10th and this year 9th in the Big Ten. Am I missing something?
Yes
What?
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 11, 2023, 04:29:05 PM
So could Quinn Snyder. He worked out well in the NCAA
Quin Snyder made 4 NCAA tourneys and an Elite 8 coaching 7 years in college ball.
Buzz made an Elite 8 and went to 5 NCAA tourneys at MUBB in 6 seasons.
Crean, 5 NCAA Tourneys in 9 seasons and a FF at MUBB. MUBB defeated Snyder in OT in NCAA Tourney on way to FF.
Snyder now has an $8 million a year deal with the Atlanta Hawks as HC, after 8 seasons and a .585 winning percentage at Utah Jazz.
Quote from: FartyEightHours on March 11, 2023, 04:49:30 PM
Quinn Snyder is a crackhead. I still can't believe this guy is coaching.
So any recovering drug addict or alcoholic should be shunned forever?
Quote from: FartyEightHours on March 11, 2023, 04:49:30 PM
Quinn Snyder is a crackhead. I still can't believe this guy is coaching.
Quin Snyder had a coke problem at Missouri. Then he spent 7 years wandering the wilderness. Coached in the D League when it was still much less developed than the G League is now. Then a couple years in the NBA. Then spent time in Europe as the lead assistant to arguably the best Euro coach in history. Then spent time with Bud in Atlanta. Thats why he got the NBA job and is still coaching. I couldn't stand him at Mizzou but he literally did EVERYTHING a coach trying to rebuild his rep should do, and more. He was fantastic in Utah until things stagnated and the entire franchise needed a reboot and rebuild.
You're telling on yourself and your lack of knowledge
Back to the coaches leaving:
Western Kentucky
Buffalo
Wichita State.
Lots of job openings but Wojo not being mentioned .
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 11, 2023, 09:26:34 PM
Lots of job openings but Wojo not being mentioned .
Thankfully, he brought Oso, Kam and Stevie to Milwaukee
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 11, 2023, 09:32:16 PM
Thankfully, he brought Oso, Kam and Stevie to Milwaukee
I agree with this analysis
Johnnies will have to wait on Pitino . Iona made the tournament
https://nypost.com/2023/03/11/rick-pitino-iona-heading-back-to-ncaa-tournament/
Any likelihood any of our assistants get purloined?
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 12, 2023, 10:09:46 AM
Any likelihood any of our assistants get purloined?
Very possible. HC's have to expect that. If an assistant has a chance to be HC at a small school with potential, it's an opportunity that would be difficult to pass up.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 12, 2023, 10:09:46 AM
Any likelihood any of our assistants get purloined?
I think the only one would be Haynes, but he's making good coin now. I haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 12, 2023, 10:23:57 AM
I think the only one would be Haynes, but he's making good coin now. I haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere.
Not sure of Haynes' current pay, but is it higher than it was at Maryland and/or Michigan?
He has been involved in a few HC openings the last 3 years. I would not be surprised if he leaves after this year.
Quote from: asdfasdf on March 12, 2023, 12:55:07 PM
Not sure of Haynes' current pay, but is it higher than it was at Maryland and/or Michigan?
He has been involved in a few HC openings the last 3 years. I would not be surprised if he leaves after this year.
He hasn't been mentioned for any opening that I can tell. But I guess it's early.
Why isn't anyone reaching out to coach k
Quote from: panda on March 12, 2023, 03:28:10 PM
Why isn't anyone reaching out to coach k
I have little doubt St. John's at least reached out to him.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 12, 2023, 10:09:46 AM
Any likelihood any of our assistants get purloined?
I selfishly hope not but Nevada Smith would make an incredible head coach if that's what he wants.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 12, 2023, 03:41:36 PM
I have little doubt St. John's at least reached out to him.
I don't think k is a great fit in New York. He'd have more success recruiting the Midwest
Quote from: shoothoops on March 11, 2023, 05:19:16 PM
Quin Snyder made 4 NCAA tourneys and an Elite 8 coaching 7 years in college ball.
Buzz made an Elite 8 and went to 5 NCAA tourneys at MUBB in 6 seasons.
Crean, 5 NCAA Tourneys in 9 seasons and a FF at MUBB. MUBB defeated Snyder in OT in NCAA Tourney on way to FF.
Snyder now has an $8 million a year deal with the Atlanta Hawks as HC, after 8 seasons and a .585 winning percentage at Utah Jazz.
Snyder quit mid season as well.Oh. and he illegal paid Ricky Clemons.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 12, 2023, 03:45:27 PM
I selfishly hope not but Nevada Smith would make an incredible head coach if that's what he wants.
I've heard he has no interest in recruiting.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 12, 2023, 04:14:07 PM
I've heard he has no interest in recruiting.
Well that would be a pretty big reason not to take a head job
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 12, 2023, 04:17:30 PM
Well that would be a pretty big reason not to take a head job
I think our biggest competition for him is the NBA.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 12, 2023, 04:34:57 PM
I think our biggest competition for him is the NBA.
with his G-League experience, I was thinking the same
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 12, 2023, 04:08:37 PM
Snyder quit mid season as well.Oh. and he illegal paid Ricky Clemons.
Snyder was fired by Mike Alden. However. instead of doing it himself, Alden asked radio analyst Gary Link to tell Snyder instead of doing it himself. Publicly, Snyder "resigned".
You may not like him, but he had success at Mizzou. Beginning the very next season, he spent 3 years as HC in Austin, G League, winning the most games, and producing the most NBA players. He served as sought after NBA assistant, and, he eventually became a successful HC at Utah. He is now HC with Atlanta.
Ed Cooley either is going to DC or he's willing to compromise PC's ability to go on a tourney run to leverage a raise: https://twitter.com/kevinmcnamara33/status/1635051851346505729?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 12, 2023, 09:34:58 PM
Ed Cooley either is going to DC or he's willing to compromise PC's ability to go on a tourney run to leverage a raise: https://twitter.com/kevinmcnamara33/status/1635051851346505729?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
The way Ed's team played down the stretch I definitely wouldn't be surprised in the least bit.
It was a very uncharacteristic finish to the season for them, they looked very out of sorts and got decimated at home.
That's the kind of answer u give when your Agent is already talking to
Georgetown
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 12, 2023, 09:46:55 PM
That's the kind of answer u give when your Agent is already talking to
Georgetown
Yep. If no truth to it at all you just say, I have no interest in GT, and love being at PC
Fishy answer. There is truth to it.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 12, 2023, 09:42:29 PM
The way Ed's team played down the stretch I definitely wouldn't be surprised in the least bit.
It was a very uncharacteristic finish to the season for them, they looked very out of sorts and got decimated at home.
It was pretty par for the course for Providence. Last season, when they finished strongly and even won a couple NCAAT games, was more unusual.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 12, 2023, 09:34:58 PM
Ed Cooley either is going to DC or he's willing to compromise PC's ability to go on a tourney run to leverage a raise: https://twitter.com/kevinmcnamara33/status/1635051851346505729?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
50 page threads have been set off here for less than that. Imagine PCScoop is something right now.
So who would be candidates to replace Cooley if he left PC?
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 12, 2023, 10:49:31 PM
So who would be candidates to replace Cooley if he left PC?
Pete Gillen
Quote from: Oldgym on March 12, 2023, 10:47:14 PM
50 page threads have been set off here for less than that. Imagine PCScoop is something right now.
Greg Gard
It does sound like Cooley is gowne.
Will Wade hired by McNeese State
https://hoopdirt.com/breaking-will-wade-named-head-basketball-coach-at-mcneese-state/
For the sake of the players, it'd be nice if there was some kind of gentlemen's agreement where the press wouldn't ask "Is it true you're a candidate for the ____ vacancy?" to coaches whose teams are still actively in the tournament. The same thing happened with Shaheen Holloway last year at Saint Peter's (though that was largely Kevin Willard's fault, lol). The players worked hard to make it into the tournament and they shouldn't have to deal with stuff like this being thrown in their faces. I'm sort of thinking along the lines of how they don't announce big free agent signings during the World Series in baseball.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 12, 2023, 11:06:31 PM
For the sake of the players, it'd be nice if there was some kind of gentlemen's agreement where the press wouldn't ask "Is it true you're a candidate for the ____ vacancy?" to coaches whose teams are still actively in the tournament. The same thing happened with Shaheen Holloway last year at Saint Peter's (though that was largely Kevin Willard's fault, lol). The players worked hard to make it into the tournament and they shouldn't have to deal with stuff like this being thrown in their faces. I'm sort of thinking along the lines of how they don't announce big free agent signings during the World Series in baseball.
No, media still has a job to get and report news to keep people informed.
The only gentleman's agreement would be no candidate contacts until the tournament ends. But then most of new coaches who took their school to the dance are way behind recruiting, putting next season's team together, assembling their staff, etc.. So that's not feasible either.
It's not a good situation for the kids like Providence, but it is what it is and has been like this forever. They won't be scarred for life.
Is Georgetown a better job than Providence?
Quote from: The Thing on March 12, 2023, 11:23:33 PM
Is Georgetown a better job than Providence?
Significantly.
Cooley at Georgetown will be interesting. He'll get them decent and I think the fans will like him. It'll add a lot of juice to an otherwise dead Providence/Georgetown matchup.
Though if I was a Providence fan hearing that interview, I'd be feeling pretty depressed right now.
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 12, 2023, 09:46:55 PM
That's the kind of answer u give when your Agent is already talking to
Georgetown
No, this is the kind of speculation you get whenever a coach's name is thrown out there. It really doesn't matter what he says. To those who are so inclined, any answer means he is headed out the door. He could say definitively that he is not leaving, but lots of coaches have said that and then left. Some even notified their players they were staying and then were on their way out of town. Seems to me that what he is saying is that he does not want to talk about it, but it is something that comes up and you just have to live with it. Maybe it means he is leaving. Maybe not. But short of shooting himself in front of a TV camera, there is not much a coach can do to convince people that he is not leaving.
Quote from: Goatherder on March 13, 2023, 12:47:36 AM
No, this is the kind of speculation you get whenever a coach's name is thrown out there. It really doesn't matter what he says. To those who are so inclined, any answer means he is headed out the door. He could say definitively that he is not leaving, but lots of coaches have said that and then left. Some even notified their players they were staying and then were on their way out of town. Seems to me that what he is saying is that he does not want to talk about it, but it is something that comes up and you just have to live with it. Maybe it means he is leaving. Maybe not. But short of shooting himself in front of a TV camera, there is not much a coach can do to convince people that he is not leaving.
If he came out and said I'm not taking the GT job; he would save his players a lot of difficult questions. Agree his answer doesn't necessarily mean he's leaving as it's possible he just wants to use GT as a stalking horse to get another million per year out of PC, but that's a really crappy thing to do.
gosh darn, i would think ed has too much invested in providence by now plus if you know providence, that's a nice family ya gots there...that NIL thingy can apply to more than just the playas, no?
Quote from: shoothoops on March 12, 2023, 09:14:07 PM
Snyder was fired by Mike Alden. However. instead of doing it himself, Alden asked radio analyst Gary Link to tell Snyder instead of doing it himself. Publicly, Snyder "resigned".
You may not like him, but he had success at Mizzou. Beginning the very next season, he spent 3 years as HC in Austin, G League, winning the most games, and producing the most NBA players. He served as sought after NBA assistant, and, he eventually became a successful HC at Utah. He is now HC with Atlanta.
Snyder quit midseason (must have learned that from Coach K). Allegedly, he was going to be fired after the season and he resigned. He started off well there with Stewarts recruits, and illegal recruiting. His last 2 1/2 years he was 42-42.
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 13, 2023, 07:38:53 AM
Snyder quit midseason (must have learned that from Coach K). Allegedly, he was going to be fired after the season and he resigned. He started off well there with Stewarts recruits, and illegal recruiting. His last 2 1/2 years he was 42-42.
I'm confident I have information about this topic that you may mot have. I'll leave that part of it at that.
Roster: Kareem Rush, Ricky Paulding, Arthur Johnson, Wesley Stokes, Travon Bryant, Clemons, Jimmy McKinney were all Snyder recruits among others. Perhaps you are confusing Rich Daly and Tony Harvey.
Snyder inherited two players, Keyon Dooling and Clarence Gilbert. Neither of the two were on Mizzou's team that lost in OT MUBB's Final Four season. Dooling was not on the team in Mizzou's Elite 8 season. He played one season Snyder, two overall. (Norm Stewart was a great coach though)
This wasn't Jim Crews winning 55 games and 2 league titles over 2 seasons with Rick Majerus' players. And that counts anyway. See Mike Deane.
And, related to the topic of coaching, again, you may not like it or him, but he had success coaching college ball, as well as other levels of ball.
Without trying to trigger some people here, Buzz was 17-16 his final year at MUBB. He was 14-17 when leaving UNO. He had success coaching at MUBB and elsewhere.
Al McGuire was 13-39 his final 2 years at Belmont Abbey. That doesn't change that he had success there as well as at Marquette. Mike Deane had some success at Marquette. His last season was 14-15. Kevin O' Neill had 3 losing seasons at Tennessee, 3 losing seasons at Northwestern, and he finished his final 2 years at USC at 13-36. It doesn't change the fact that he had success at Marquette.
Again, I get it, you don't like Snyder. But he had success coaching ball at Mizzou as well as other levels of basketball whether you like it or not.
He isn't a college hoops coaching candidate as he was hired by Atlanta recently.
LOL... "Quin Snyder isn't a good basketball coach" is not a particularly good hill to die on. Dude can coach.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 13, 2023, 09:05:32 AM
LOL... "Quin Snyder isn't a good basketball coach" is not a particularly good hill to die on. Dude can coach.
Never said he wasn't a good coach, just saying he ended up being a dumpster fire when he left Missouri. A cheat, and a quitter.
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 13, 2023, 09:26:00 AM
Never said he wasn't a good coach, just saying he ended up being a dumpster fire when he left Missouri. A cheat, and a quitter.
Actually you said he quit (multiple times) when it was pointed out that he didn't. (I'd rather not be a name dropper here)
And you said Snyder won because he had Stewart's players. That was wrong too.
And so on.
Again, you have some sort of dislike for Quin Snyder. We like who we like. But you are letting your personal opinion from a distance affect the accuracy of your position.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 12, 2023, 10:49:31 PM
So who would be candidates to replace Cooley if he left PC?
I would think for him St. John's is more attractive, but once upon a time Rick Pitino coached Providence to the Final Four. Might be an interesting call to try to keep the level of play high while they set up a longer-term replacement in 4-6 years.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 13, 2023, 09:42:53 AM
Actually you said he quit (multiple times) when it was pointed out that he didn't. (I'd rather not be a name dropper here)
And you said Snyder won because he had Stewart's players. That was wrong too.
And so on.
Again, you have some sort of dislike for Quin Snyder. We like who we like. But you are letting your personal opinion from a distance affect the accuracy of your position.
He resigned when he was told that the press guy was going to tell him that he was fired at the end of the year. That's coming from both sides. You do you, chicos.
I was wrong about being Stewart's players. They were his (or the boosters, I should say). He was paying players, Then his players went 16-14, 16-17, and 10-11. Add in the whole Ricky Clemons situation, and that is the definition of a dumpster fire.
The whole point was that being a good NBA coach doesn't always translate to NCAA success.
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 13, 2023, 09:55:56 AM
He resigned when he was told that the press guy was going to tell him that he was fired at the end of the year. That's coming from both sides. You do you, chicos.
I was wrong about being Stewart's players. They were his (or the boosters, I should say). He was paying players, Then his players went 16-14, 16-17, and 10-11. Add in the whole Ricky Clemons situation, and that is the definition of a dumpster fire.
The whole point was that being a good NBA coach doesn't always translate to NCAA success.
Lol. Amazing.
Double (triple?) down on incorrect info.
Admit incorrect about other info.
Insert again that you don't like him info.
(Jay Wright had seasons of
15-16, 18-17, and he was 13-19 in his 11th season at Villanova. I heard he had success at Villanova)
Conclude that he didn't have NCAA success even though he did.
I have it written down on a napkin that you don't like Quin Snyder, lol.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 13, 2023, 10:10:14 AM
Lol. Amazing.
Double (triple?) down on incorrect info.
Admit incorrect about other info.
Insert again that you don't like him info.
(Jay Wright had seasons of
15-16, 18-17, and he was 13-19 in his 11th season at Villanova. I heard he had success at Villanova)
Conclude that he didn't have NCAA success even though he did.
I have it written down on a napkin that you don't like Quin Snyder, lol.
My info is correct on why he resigned before being fired. It was a friggin trainwreck the last 3 years. Not sure how you are trying to explain it any other way.
From the local newspaper:
Snyder resigned mid-season in February 2006 under far from harmonious circumstances. Amid a losing season and with the program under NCAA probation, he said at the time he was told he would be fired at season's end.
Wrights bad years were not 3 in a row.
I get it it, you love everything Missouri, including that cheating quitter. I don't hate the guy. Sounds like he turned his life around, good for him.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1635266454772944897?s=20
Chris Beard to Ole Miss being finalized.
Hopefully his fiancee gets up the courage to remove herself from the situation.
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 13, 2023, 10:19:40 AM
My info is correct on why he resigned before being fired. It was a friggin trainwreck the last 3 years. Not sure how you are trying to explain it any other way.
From the local newspaper:
Snyder resigned mid-season in February 2006 under far from harmonious circumstances. Amid a losing season and with the program under NCAA probation, he said at the time he was told he would be fired at season's end.
Wrights bad years were not 3 in a row.
I get it it, you love everything Missouri, including that cheating quitter. I don't hate the guy. Sounds like he turned his life around, good for him.
My information is not from a local newspaper. Like I said, I'm confident I have information that you don't have.
Are you really going to nitpick Jay Wright or insert coach here. Fine. Jay Wright had 3 straight losing seasons at Hofstra. His record those 3 seasons was 31-51. Can't wait for you to move the goalposts again.
Ah yes, we get psychological projection with a splash of tribalism in the final paragraph for the finish.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 13, 2023, 10:29:46 AM
My information is not from a local newspaper. Like I said, I'm confident I have information that you don't have.
Are you really going to nitpick Jay Wright or insert coach here. Fine. Jay Wright had 3 straight losing seasons at Hofstra. His record those 3 seasons was 31-51. Can't wait for you to move the goalposts again.
Ah yes, we get psychological projection with a splash of tribalism in the final paragraph for the finish.
Still not sure what you are getting at about your inside information. Whether or not he was fired or he quit (he quit before being fired was straight out of Quinn's mouth), is irrelevant. He left that program with the pitchforks on his tail, with a program on probation.
I am not moving any goalposts. The original point was just because some coach is "NBA material" does not make him a successful college coach. If you think Snyder's run at Missouri was a success, well we have two different standards.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 13, 2023, 06:30:49 AM
gosh darn, i would think ed has too much invested in providence by now plus if you know providence, that's a nice family ya gots there...that NIL thingy can apply to more than just the playas, no?
I can happily say that I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about for about 98% of your posts, and get concerned the 2% of the time I do understand what you're getting at. I just go on the assumption that you are referring to something related to sex, because you can't seem to post about anything that doesn't come back to that.
Looks like Georgia Tech is hiring Celtics assistant and former Pacific coach Damon Staudamire.
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 13, 2023, 10:35:45 AM
Still not sure what you are getting at about your inside information. Whether or not he was fired or he quit (he quit before being fired was straight out of Quinn's mouth), is irrelevant. He left that program with the pitchforks on his tail, with a program on probation.
I am not moving any goalposts. The original point was just because some coach is "NBA material" does not make him a successful college coach. If you think Snyder's run at Missouri was a success, well we have two different standards.
I admit I don't read every thread here and I often don't keep track of who posts what, nor do I speak in code with select people from the board, etc...
But enter two key words in a search and multiple threads like this one comes up, and it explains a lot.
It's a pattern. You post about coaches that you don't like from a distance. Later when various things are pointed out to you, your posts end up saying you never said they weren't a good coach and then you go back to saying they weren't etc...
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63703.225
You also apparently advocated on this board for Wojo to be National Coach of the Year. So yes, we have two different standards.
After your comments. I pointed out that he had success at Mizzou, pretty simple. He did. Then you said his success was with someone else's players. When it was pointed out to you that he won with his own players as well, you went to back to he he didn't have success.
I'm happy to move on.
Damon Stoudamire is the new HC at Georgia Tech per Pete Thamel.
(Don't tell lawdog77 that Josh Pastner had success coching basketball at Memphis, and that Pastner previously worked for KO.)
Stoudamire has worked both with and for Pastner over the years.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 13, 2023, 11:11:31 AM
I admit I don't read every thread here and I often don't keep track of who posts what, nor do I speak in code with select people from the board, etc...
But enter two key words in a search and multiple threads like this one comes up, and it explains a lot.
It's a pattern. You post about coaches that you don't like from a distance. Later when various things are pointed out to you, your posts end up saying you never said they weren't a good coach and then you go back to saying they weren't etc...
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63703.225
You also apparently advocated on this board for Wojo to be National Coach of the Year. So yes, we have two different standards.
After your comments. I pointed out that he had success at Mizzou, pretty simple. He did. Then you said his success was with someone else's players. When it was pointed out to you that he won with his own players as well, you went to back to he he didn't have success.
I'm happy to move on.
Again different standards, between us. If you consider Snyder leaving Mizzou in a heap of crap, more power to you.
That link to the Sampson thread? Where did I say he wasn't a good coach. Would you consider Sampson's tenure at IU a success?
Pastner at Memphis? He was successful. Didnt end with several losing seasons, and being put on probation.
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 13, 2023, 11:41:12 AM
Again different standards, between us. If you consider Snyder leaving Mizzou in a heap of crap, more power to you.
That link to the Sampson thread? Where did I say he wasn't a good coach. Would you consider Sampson's tenure at IU a success?
Pastner at Memphis? He was successful. Didnt end with several losing seasons, and being put on probation.
How a coach leaves doesn't necessarily mean a coach didn't have success at that place. We've been through this several times.
Buzz Williams had success at Marquette. His exit wasn't great. But that doesn't mean he didn't have success at Marquette.
I am going to go out on a limb and say you aren't a fan of Bruce Pearl. You probably won't be invited to the cookout.
Hey look, Penny Hardaway is having another good season at Memphis. Too soon?
I really think one of lawdog or shoothoops will change their mind on Quinn Snyder soon.
I really hope Pitino doesn't end up in the Big East. I think the league has really great coaches. Glad to see the two vacancies - big potential to upgrade. I really hope they pass on Slick Rick. His history speaks for itself. Yes. People can change, nonetheless, I'd pass.
Beard officially joins Ole Miss
https://twitter.com/olemissmbb/status/1635302262661627905?s=46&t=bv4_JSI7d3UaMi8gnEJWEg
Quote from: Hoops92 on March 13, 2023, 12:12:57 PM
I really hope Pitino doesn't end up in the Big East. I think the league has really great coaches. Glad to see the two vacancies - big potential to upgrade. I really hope they pass on Slick Rick. His history speaks for itself. Yes. People can change, nonetheless, I'd pass.
Hello Sean Miller!!!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 13, 2023, 12:20:11 PM
Hello Sean Miller!!!
Yea right? Miller is/was just as slimy as Pitino. Kinda a weird line in the sand to draw.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 13, 2023, 12:24:22 PM
Yea right? Miller is/was just as slimy as Pitino. Kinda a weird line in the sand to draw.
It's also a new world. It's clear these institutions were enabling payment of players regardless of coach. Now that we have NIL payment of players it may go the way of 'too many text messages' eventually.
Quote from: Hoops92 on March 13, 2023, 12:12:57 PM
I really hope Pitino doesn't end up in the Big East. I think the league has really great coaches. Glad to see the two vacancies - big potential to upgrade. I really hope they pass on Slick Rick. His history speaks for itself. Yes. People can change, nonetheless, I'd pass.
this should've been posted in a thread about coaching changes not in the latest scoop pissing contest thread
Quote from: Hoops92 on March 13, 2023, 12:12:57 PM
I really hope Pitino doesn't end up in the Big East. I think the league has really great coaches. Glad to see the two vacancies - big potential to upgrade. I really hope they pass on Slick Rick. His history speaks for itself. Yes. People can change, nonetheless, I'd pass.
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Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 13, 2023, 12:24:22 PM
Yea right? Miller is/was just as slimy as Pitino. Kinda a weird line in the sand to draw.
Funneling a little shoe money to players is the exact same thing as getting hookers for recruits.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 13, 2023, 12:19:16 PM
Beard officially joins Ole Miss
https://twitter.com/olemissmbb/status/1635302262661627905?s=46&t=bv4_JSI7d3UaMi8gnEJWEg
I really thought it would at least be a year before things cooled down enough for a high major to hire him. Shoulda known better
Quote from: Pakuni on March 13, 2023, 01:45:13 PM
Funneling a little shoe money to players is the exact same thing as getting hookers for recruits.
Exactly. It's the whole package. The 15 second screw in the bathroom with someone not his wife isn't stellar either. I'd say a reasonable place to draw the line.
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Spiky blonde hair, little bitty jeans, chicken spaghetti at Chickalitti's.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 02:14:41 PM
I really thought it would at least be a year before things cooled down enough for a high major to hire him. Shoulda known better
That makes at least two known chokers -- Beard and Knight -- to quickly land new gigs.
Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2023, 03:12:33 PM
That makes at least two known chokers -- Beard and Knight -- to quickly land new gigs.
Just need Wojo to get a job for the trifecta to be complete!
Quote from: THRILLHO on March 13, 2023, 03:20:20 PM
Just need Wojo to get a job for the trifecta to be complete!
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Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2023, 03:12:33 PM
That makes at least two known chokers -- Beard and Knight -- to quickly land new gigs.
The apple didn't fall far from the coaching tree in this particular case.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 13, 2023, 03:28:20 PM
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I think thrillho's response was on point.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 02:14:41 PM
I really thought it would at least be a year before things cooled down enough for a high major to hire him. Shoulda known better
Agreed. Knowing what we know about domestic violence and victims of domestic violence, it's disturbing how universities would say, "we can't have him as our coach...his fiancée called 911 and reported that he choked her" and then so quickly change to, "she says she didn't want to get him in trouble when she called 911 to report that he choked her, so she's not pressing charges...so I guess we're good."
Hopefully Beard and his fiancée have gotten whatever help they need. Otherwise, I feel like schools are playing hot potato with Beard...who's going to be his employer when he gets in
real trouble?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 02:14:41 PM
I really thought it would at least be a year before things cooled down enough for a high major to hire him. Shoulda known better
Per Vince Lombardi:
"Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing,"
Aaron McKie out at Temple
Quote from: Pakuni on March 13, 2023, 01:45:13 PM
Funneling a little shoe money to players is the exact same thing as getting hookers for recruits.
1. it wasn't "a little money"; 2. he also lied to investigators
But your point still stands. It was the lesser of two evils.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 12, 2023, 11:18:10 PM
No, media still has a job to get and report news to keep people informed.
The only gentleman's agreement would be no candidate contacts until the tournament ends. But then most of new coaches who took their school to the dance are way behind recruiting, putting next season's team together, assembling their staff, etc.. So that's not feasible either.
It's not a good situation for the kids like Providence, but it is what it is and has been like this forever. They won't be scarred for life.
Yes, agreed. It would irresponsible to not ask.
Will Wade suspended first five games of next season by McNeese State.
I don't think they've even officially introduced him yet.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 14, 2023, 12:54:48 PM
Will Wade suspended first five games of next season by McNeese State.
I don't think they've even officially introduced him yet.
Hilarious...get caught paying players and you end up at a school paying $200k per year with a suspension and restrictions.
Get caught in a domestic abuse issue bad enough for your employer to cut you loose...and you land on your feet making millions.
In any game there always had to be a loser...may it always be Ole Miss and Chris Beard.
Gonna go recheck my picks on PC-UK...
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Quote from: avid1010 on March 14, 2023, 01:15:47 PM
Hilarious...get caught paying players and you end up at a school paying $200k per year with a suspension and restrictions.
Get caught in a domestic abuse issue bad enough for your employer to cut you loose...and you land on your feet making millions.
In any game there always had to be a loser...may it always be Ole Miss and Chris Beard.
Its not that deep.
Will Wade:
5 top 25 classes (2 top 5, 1 top 10, 1 top 20), 5 5* and 10 4*....
1 NCAA win (he was suspended when Tony Benford took them to the S16)
1 conference title.
Including his time at VCU, he only has 2 NCAA wins.
Chris Beard-
TTU
2 Top 20 classes 0 5* and 7 4*
9 NCAA wins (1E8 and 1 Runner Up)
1 conference title
Texas
Top 3 class, 2 5* and 1 4*
1 NCAA win
#2 ranked team when he lit his life on fire
Will Wade, with his cash, was a better version of Wojo. Great recruiter with middling results for it.
Chris Beard is a MUCH better who accomplished far more with "lesser" recruits and then quickly started building a monster at a top program.
Thats why Beard gets a much nicer landing than Will Wade. Has nothing to do with each of their crimes.
The Great Ed Cooley had a future All-American point guard playing HS ball in his backyard and ignored him.
Quote from: MU82 on March 14, 2023, 06:18:01 PM
The Great Ed Cooley had a future All-American point guard playing HS ball in his backyard and ignored him.
Cooley tried to get him from transfer portal. He called TK at 12:01am the first day he was allowed. Glad that didn't work out.
Quote from: Gato78 on March 14, 2023, 06:42:34 PM
Cooley tried to get him from transfer portal. He called TK at 12:01am the first day he was allowed. Glad that didn't work out.
Maybe Kolek was still ticked off that Cooley had no interest in him when he was ballin' in high school.
And a big thumbs-up to your last sentence, Gato.
Commentary on Pitino from a college basketball writer
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1634994830743949313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1634994830743949313%7Ctwgr%5Eda7d4c0c61f402b13c94b82ac82d5a0a7ce8f4f0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-41838895523666730634.ampproject.net%2F2302271541000%2Fframe.html
Looks like Stan getting looked at for the California job. That's a tough gig but I doubt he could say no if offered. https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1636067276192358409?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
The Athletic's Dana O'Neil muses that if Cooley bolts to Georgetown, Pitino might be at least as interested in Providence as he would be in St. John's.
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2023, 08:51:52 AM
The Athletic's Dana O'Neil muses that if Cooley bolts to Georgetown, Pitino might be at least as interested in Providence as he would be in St. John's.
I thought Iona's biggest selling point was he was able to live at his home on Winged Foot. He could still do that at St John's. Maybe he'd still be able to do that in the offseason at Providence.
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2023, 08:51:52 AM
The Athletic's Dana O'Neil muses that if Cooley bolts to Georgetown, Pitino might be at least as interested in Providence as he would be in St. John's.
I'll admit, I had this thought myself. Why not go back to where it all started?
For whatever this is worth: https://twitter.com/bigeastbets/status/1636711689101119488?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 15, 2023, 05:32:15 PM
Looks like Stan getting looked at for the California job. That's a tough gig but I doubt he could say no if offered. https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1636067276192358409?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
He should seriously think about saying no to Cal.
Quote from: LAZER on March 17, 2023, 11:12:04 AM
He should seriously think about saying no to Cal.
If Cooley doesn't happen, I'd like to see Stan at Georgetown.
Quote from: LAZER on March 17, 2023, 11:12:04 AM
He should seriously think about saying no to Cal.
Why? Opportunities don't around often.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2023, 11:50:51 AM
Why? Opportunities don't around often.
Its a tough job and the admin hasn't been super supportive as of late from what I understand. He'd be taking over a dumpster fire with limited resources.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 17, 2023, 12:36:50 PM
Its a tough job and the admin hasn't been super supportive as of late from what I understand. He'd be taking over a dumpster fire with limited resources.
Pretty risky when you make a living in a conference with Gonzaga and St. Mary's.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2023, 12:43:10 PM
Pretty risky when you make a living in a conference with Gonzaga and St. Mary's.
I just don't think it's a no brainer to take the Cal job. It's probably the worst high major job right now. It all depends on how Stan is looking at his career and I don't think it's an easy decision.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2023, 12:43:10 PM
Pretty risky when you make a living in a conference with Gonzaga and St. Mary's.
He got buzz and looks by getting to LMU to a 4th place finish. He doesn't need to win the WCC. Hell, the last 2 coaches at USF got high major jobs at better places than Cal and neither even finished top 3.
https://twitter.com/TroyBenjamin06/status/1636780445462413347?t=NbKe7U03jSAGkK0hHwD3_g&s=19
Take random Tweets with a grain of salt, but if true...Cooley is gone. Providence can't match that.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 17, 2023, 01:00:03 PM
He got buzz and looks by getting to LMU to a 4th place finish. He doesn't need to win the WCC. Hell, the last 2 coaches at USF got high major jobs at better places than Cal and neither even finished top 3.
Kyle Smith took a gig at a job worse than Cal and Todd Golden actually made the tournament.
It's just a risky move if you slip. If you go to Cal and it doesn't work, you can get a Loyola type mid major job and have more money in your bank account.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2023, 01:09:21 PM
Kyle Smith took a gig at a job worse than Cal and Todd Golden actually made the tournament.
It's just a risky move if you slip. If you go to Cal and it doesn't work, you can get a Loyola type mid major job and have more money in your bank account.
WSU at the time wasn't a worse job than Cal is now. Like was mentioned, it's probably the worst P6 job in the country right now.
Otherwise, agree to disagree. Stan returns a decent amount of pieces. Finish top 4 in the WCC again, win 20 games, he'll have plenty of looks
Quote from: JWags85 on March 17, 2023, 01:25:37 PM
WSU at the time wasn't a worse job than Cal is now. Like was mentioned, it's probably the worst P6 job in the country right now.
Otherwise, agree to disagree. Stan returns a decent amount of pieces. Finish top 4 in the WCC again, win 20 games, he'll have plenty of looks
I don't think there's any rush for Stan to take the Cal job. He should absolutely use Cal to get a raise, or force other interested schools to come forward. Worst outcome is he stays at LMU, gets a raise, and waits for the right opening.
Stan has no connections to Cal. To much risk taking a job at a school with so many unknowns in the immediate future.
Why would Ed Cooley go to Georgetown?
Has has a great deal where he's at. I can't believe he would do that much better at the Hound's school.
It will pay more and is in more fertile recruiting ground. And maybe he just wants a change.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 17, 2023, 01:01:14 PM
https://twitter.com/TroyBenjamin06/status/1636780445462413347?t=NbKe7U03jSAGkK0hHwD3_g&s=19
Take random Tweets with a grain of salt, but if true...Cooley is gone. Providence can't match that.
What does Providence, and any other college, have for NIL $?
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 17, 2023, 09:02:09 AM
I thought Iona's biggest selling point was he was able to live at his home on Winged Foot. He could still do that at St John's. Maybe he'd still be able to do that in the offseason at Providence.
Life style in Southern Westchester County where Pitino resides is pretty good. If Pitino is going to leave that at age 70 my guess is Providence, where he can inherit a solid program would be preferred over the disfunction of The Johnnies . I guess it comes down to his personal priorities in life .
We need to go back to the good old days when coaches couldn't transfer without having to sit out a year.
If I'm PC and I can get Pitino, I'd get Cooley an Amazon gift card and thank him for his service.
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1636887479059120129?t=DEr-CspVLoOtMIWF-wK0iA&s=19
Pitino 2 St. Johns, #donedeal?
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 17, 2023, 04:53:46 PM
Life style in Southern Westchester County where Pitino resides is pretty good. If Pitino is going to leave that at age 70 my guess is Providence, where he can inherit a solid program would be preferred over the disfunction of The Joh nnies . I guess it comes down to his personal priorities in life .
Would Pitino be using viagra/generic when he gets to Providence?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 17, 2023, 07:43:06 PM
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1636887479059120129?t=DEr-CspVLoOtMIWF-wK0iA&s=19
Pitino 2 St. Johns, #donedeal?
Love it for the league. Nice scoop for Fanta.
What does Purdue do with Painter. Obviously he's had quite a bit of success there but that's 3 years in a row with a loss to a double digit seed.
Maybe a change of scenery would be good for him.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 17, 2023, 07:43:06 PM
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1636887479059120129?t=DEr-CspVLoOtMIWF-wK0iA&s=19
Pitino 2 St. Johns, #donedeal?
That news came quicker than Pitino at Porcini's.
How long until the Cooley to Georgetown announcement?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 17, 2023, 08:18:30 PM
What does Purdue do with Painter. Obviously he's had quite a bit of success there but that's 3 years in a row with a loss to a double digit seed.
Maybe a change of scenery would be good for him.
I think he played and coached under Gene Keady. He'll never leave Purdue and they'll be very reluctant to move on from him with all the regular season success they've had. And I'm not sure they could do much better than him if the job opened up.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 17, 2023, 07:46:56 PM
Love it for the league. Nice scoop for Fanta.
Fanta working hard on The Scoop.
This league just got a lot tougher
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 17, 2023, 08:30:29 PM
I think he played and coached under Gene Keady. He'll never leave Purdue and they'll be very reluctant to move on from him with all the regular season success they've had. And I'm not sure they could do much better than him if the job opened up.
Keady and Painter have had similar success at Purdue. Painter's winning percentage is slightly higher and the farthest each one has taken Purdue in the tournament is to the Elite Eight.
Lolololololol
https://twitter.com/rockethaverland/status/1636901388092583938?s=46&t=vzpt-zjb3EWbQ_hnQmF3QQ
The Coaching Changes Twitter account has me stipend Donovan is looking at Texas and Texas Tech. I wonder if Cooley goes to Georgetown if Donovan goes to his alma mater.
Adding Pitino and Donovan after adding Shaka, Miller, and Matta to the conference would be pretty big time.
Purdue is fine. They'll win one eventually. You don't fire a coach like MP.
I agree they shouldn't fire Painter, but the "they'll win one eventually" is something they have been saying there for time eternal. Gene Keady was a charter member of the "best coach who has never won a title" club. They have won ten Big Ten championships since their last Final Four in 1980!
As I said earlier, the biggest problem I see when I watch them is that they run an extremely traditional, post-heavy offense. I just don't see that anywhere in college basketball these days. It really is a throwback, and I am not sure that's a good thing.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 18, 2023, 08:03:40 AM
I agree they shouldn't fire Painter, but the "they'll win one eventually" is something they have been saying there for time eternal. Gene Keady was a charter member of the "best coach who has never won a title" club. They have won ten Big Ten championships since their last Final Four in 1980!
As I said earlier, the biggest problem I see when I watch them is that they run an extremely traditional, post-heavy offense. I just don't see that anywhere in college basketball these days. It really is a throwback, and I am not sure that's a good thing.
I also don't think it's just due to having Edey. They have focused on their big guys a lot in recent years. Swanigan and Haas are two that come to mind. I think there was another too.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 18, 2023, 08:05:16 AM
I also don't think it's just due to having Edey. They have focused on their big guys a lot in recent years. Swanigan and Haas are two that come to mind. I think there was another too.
Matt Haarms. Yes I agree. This isn't a one off thing.
I do know they were close and lost a late lead v. UVa in the E8 in 2019.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 18, 2023, 08:08:43 AM
Matt Haarms. Yes I agree. This isn't a one off thing.
I do know they were close and lost a late lead v. UVa in the E8 in 2019.
Isaac Haas was a 7 footer from 2014-2018. But I think that further illustrates the point.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 18, 2023, 08:03:40 AM
As I said earlier, the biggest problem I see when I watch them is that they run an extremely traditional, post-heavy offense. I just don't see that anywhere in college basketball these days. It really is a throwback, and I am not sure that's a good thing.
There's another B10 team whose fan base has to be thinking similar things about their traditional offense, while their football team is undergoing a renewed energy because of modernization.
It was interesting hearing the CBS talking heads, Kellogg, Smith, Barkley, talking about how Purdue should have gone zone, how they weren't sure if Purdue had a zone in their pocket, and if not, that is bad coaching as everyone needs all the tools they can get.
I though of Bo.
I thought of Murf.
I chuckled.
And the thing is, the swing was actually a pretty revolutionary offense back in the day. It got posts who can shoot outside with guards who could score on the inside. It's how Bo was able to win at Platteville regularly with inferior talent because it pulled bigs away from the basket and made opponent's guards play on the inside.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2023, 02:44:20 AM
Lolololololol
https://twitter.com/rockethaverland/status/1636901388092583938?s=46&t=vzpt-zjb3EWbQ_hnQmF3QQ
That would be awesome. That will save MU money to not have to buy out Shaka when we hire Steve Kerr and Jay Wright.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 18, 2023, 09:19:21 AM
That would be awesome. That will save MU money to not have to buy out Shaka when we hire Steve Kerr and Jay Wright.
"and"? Which one will be the head coach and which one will be the assistant? Or will they trade off based on something like opponent's style of play or time zone of the game site?
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 18, 2023, 09:37:50 AM
"and"? Which one will be the head coach and which one will be the assistant? Or will they trade off based on something like opponent's style of play or time zone of the game site?
Obviously, someone with Jay Wright's resume could only be an assistant at MU. Turning over the HC position to Jay, even for a few games, is crazy.
SpaceforRent
I like that tweet teaching for the stars. Two years ago there were MU fans that wanted Brian Wardle.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2023, 09:15:27 AM
It was interesting hearing the CBS talking heads, Kellogg, Smith, Barkley, talking about how Purdue should have gone zone, how they weren't sure if Purdue had a zone in their pocket, and if not, that is bad coaching as everyone needs all the tools they can get.
I though of Bo.
I thought of Murf.
I chuckled.
I laughed too and thought of some of the same people. Blinders were fine for carriage and draft horses in cities well over a century ago, but in today's college basketball?
Current Status of all openings. A lot have been filled, although some new ones will open when the Marquee positions are filled.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35814663/men-college-basketball-coaching-changes-2023-24
Cooley put his Providence house up for sale, and a lot of other noise that he's probably on his way to DC by the end of the day.
Have to love how these "reports" often have the coach putting their house on the market before they announce a new job. As if the first thing multimillionaire coaches do and are concerned with, when they are going to accept a new job, is list their house for sale.
Quote from: GOO on March 20, 2023, 09:36:57 AM
Have to love how these "reports" often have the coach putting their house on the market before they announce a new job. As if the first thing multimillionaire coaches do and are concerned with, when they are going to accept a new job, is list their house for sale.
The Michael Scott school of real estate.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 17, 2023, 08:18:30 PM
What does Purdue do with Painter. Obviously he's had quite a bit of success there but that's 3 years in a row with a loss to a double digit seed.
Maybe a change of scenery would be good for him.
The Administration should require him to hire a grey haired assistant.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2023, 09:22:07 AM
Cooley put his Providence house up for sale, and a lot of other noise that he's probably on his way to DC by the end of the day.
The house was listed March 3.
Which you can take a lot of ways, except that this isn't a brand new development.
Maybe true. Related?
I remember reports of the Crean's listing their house just about every year around this time. However, maybe my memory is faulty or biased.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2023, 09:22:07 AM
Cooley put his Providence house up for sale, and a lot of other noise that he's probably on his way to DC by the end of the day.
Is there a flight tracker report?
Sounds like Pitino had a meeting with St. John's administration yesterday about if he were to come what commitments he needs on NIL, practice facilities, etc.
My wild guess at what happens:
Georgetown -> Cooley
Providence -> Pitino
St Johns -> Bobby Hurley
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 20, 2023, 10:13:43 AM
My wild guess at what happens:
Georgetown -> Cooley
Providence -> Pitino
St Johns -> Bobby Hurley
Why would Cooley go to GTown?
Cooley all but confirmed to GTown. If reports are correct, in the neighborhood of $6MM a year. I like Cooley and think he's a good coach but thats INSANE money. He'd be the second highest paid coach in CBB. Thats an absolutely absurd overpay.
I wonder if Pitino will also tell StJ that he also needs a supply of hookers and strippers for the recruits / players. I still cannot believe they are going to hire him. Pathetic look for StJ.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 20, 2023, 10:15:23 AM
Cooley all but confirmed to GTown. If reports are correct, in the neighborhood of $6MM a year. I like Cooley and think he's a good coach but thats INSANE money. He'd be the second highest paid coach in CBB. Thats an absolutely absurd overpay.
6M??? Crazy.
Quote from: rgoode57 on March 20, 2023, 10:16:21 AM
I wonder if Pitino will also tell StJ that he also needs a supply of hookers and strippers for the recruits / players. I still cannot believe they are going to hire him. Pathetic look for StJ.
It's a pathetic look for St Johns to try and fire Anderson for cause to avoid paying him 11m.
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According to the termination letter obtained by ESPN, Anderson was fired for "failure to create and support an environment that strongly encourages student-athletes who are in the men's basketball program to meet all university academic requirements," "failure to perform your duties and responsibilities in a manner that reflected positively on St. John's University ... in actions [that] brought serious discredit" to the school and "failure to appropriately supervise and communicate with your assistant coaches."
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 20, 2023, 10:30:43 AM
It's a pathetic look for St Johns to try and fire Anderson for cause to avoid paying him 11m.
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According to the termination letter obtained by ESPN, Anderson was fired for "failure to create and support an environment that strongly encourages student-athletes who are in the men's basketball program to meet all university academic requirements," "failure to perform your duties and responsibilities in a manner that reflected positively on St. John's University ... in actions [that] brought serious discredit" to the school and "failure to appropriately supervise and communicate with your assistant coaches."
That's pretty gross. The Pitino hire doesn't really bother me, but trying to do that to Anderson is low.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 20, 2023, 10:15:23 AM
Cooley all but confirmed to GTown. If reports are correct, in the neighborhood of $6MM a year. I like Cooley and think he's a good coach but thats INSANE money. He'd be the second highest paid coach in CBB. Thats an absolutely absurd overpay.
That would mean 11 of the 15 highest-paid college basketball coaches are sitting at home this weekend.
Good on Izzo, Barnes, Cronin and and Muss for being the exceptions.
Mike Brey easing into retirement by way of USF, looks like.
https://usf.rivals.com/news/sources-south-florida-expected-to-hire-mike-brey-as-men-s-basketball-coach
Cooley to Georgetown official
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2023, 09:41:37 AM
The house was listed March 3.
Which you can take a lot of ways, except that this isn't a brand new development.
The Providence collapse is very reminiscent of what happened to a very good and experienced Xavier team when rumors swirled about Mack being out the door to Louisville, which of course happened soon thereafter. No doubt a huge distraction.
Live look at Ed Cooley revisiting his Providence legacy.
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Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2023, 11:37:23 AM
Wow. Who goes to Providence?
Pitino and SJU is left bagholding.
Providence v Georgetown will be an electric rivalry.
This is awesome for the league IMHO. We need more hate-based rivalries. Georgetown versus PC just became must watch television. So will PC versus SJU if Pitino decides to go back to Rhode Island and spurn the Johnnies.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 20, 2023, 11:43:14 AM
Pitino and SJU is left bagholding.
Providence v Georgetown will be an electric rivalry.
Yeah...no.
I know it is low likelihood , but What if Pitino goes to PC instead of The Johnnies
Slick Rick could step right into Cooleys house . Literally and Figuratively . Pitino could still keep his Mamaroneck home by Winged Foot
See Zillow below . Nice crib that Cooley has.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1637791237099880448?cxt=HHwWgICw-fyczbotAAAA
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 20, 2023, 10:30:43 AM
It's a pathetic look for St Johns to try and fire Anderson for cause to avoid paying him 11m.
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According to the termination letter obtained by ESPN, Anderson was fired for "failure to create and support an environment that strongly encourages student-athletes who are in the men's basketball program to meet all university academic requirements," "failure to perform your duties and responsibilities in a manner that reflected positively on St. John's University ... in actions [that] brought serious discredit" to the school and "failure to appropriately supervise and communicate with your assistant coaches."
This is the most St. John's thing ever and if I was Rick Pitino this would send me to PC immediately.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 20, 2023, 10:08:36 AM
Is there a flight tracker report?
Acela tracker has Cooley in a business class seat.
Quote from: Herman Cain link=topic=64234.msg1538727#msg1538727 date=
I know it is low likelihood , but What if Pitino goes to PC instead of The Johnnies
Slick Rick could step right into Cooleys house . Literally and Figuratively . Pitino could still keep his Mamaroneck home by Winged Foot
See Zillow below . Nice crib that Cooley has.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/99880448?cxt=HHwWgICw-fyczbotAAAA
In the divorce, does "and Company" stay with Providence or go with Cooley?
Now, let me get this straight. One of the stated reasons StJ is firing Anderson is for failure to ... reflect positively on the university..., but they are hiring Pitino to replace him? That would be hilarious if it were not so sad.
How about PC hiring Chris Mack? Apparently Georgetown tried to hire him away from Xavier years ago.
Love to see another established coach in our league.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on March 20, 2023, 11:59:27 AM
How about PC hiring Chris Mack? Apparently Georgetown tried to hire him away from Xavier years ago.
Love to see another established coach in our league.
I've seen his name associated with that job. I wouldn't sleep on Bobby Hurley at St. John's or Providence
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 20, 2023, 11:55:15 AM
In the divorce, does "and Company" stay with Providence or go with Cooley?
Cooley's Congress?
If Georgetown is really paying Cooley $6 million, it looks like they have just reset the salary structure for coaches in the BE. I have always thought Cooley was a good coach, but making him the second highest paid coach in college bb seems a bit much. I thought they were trending toward Shrewsbury from Penn State. If the Cooley thing is true, it might put Providence in something of a bind.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2023, 11:37:23 AM
Wow. Who goes to Providence?
No concrete idea, but I'd think Matt Langel at Colgate is the first call. If they aren't put off by the Cooley tree, Siena coach Carmen Maciarello or Providence associate HC Jeff Battle could be involved. I wouldn't be surprised to see Pat Kelsey at Charleston or John Becker at Vermont get a call.
Who's going to ND? McCaffery??
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2023, 12:03:01 PM
Who's going to ND? McCaffery??
I would guess him or Moser. Weirdly quiet on that one.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2023, 12:03:01 PM
Who's going to ND? McCaffery??
As if we need another reason to hate ND. That guy acts like an insufferable ass.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 20, 2023, 12:06:22 PM
As if we need another reason to hate ND. That guy acts like an insufferable ass.
It's not an act.
Brey going to South Florida? Thought he was retiring?
On his way out, he let it be known he wasn't done coaching. The language, and on-court results, suggested ND and Brey had had enough of each other.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 20, 2023, 12:18:07 PM
Brey going to South Florida? Thought he was retiring?
I'm not sure going to coach at USF is too different than retirement.
@GoodmanHoops
Two names likely to be high on Providence's list, source told @Stadium.
Penn State's Micah Shrewsberry (who I don't think would take it)
George Mason's Kim English
Kim English was an assistant at Tennessee to Rick Barnes. Rick Barnes once left George Mason for Providence.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 link=topic=64234.msg1538738#msg1538738 date=
How about PC hiring Chris Mack? Apparently Georgetown tried to hire him away from Xavier years ago.
Love to see another established coach in our league.
Mack says he's not looking right now.
https://247sports.com/Article/Ex-Louisville-basketball-head-coach-Chris-Mack-says-he-wont-return-to-coaching-in-2023-cycle--206674841/ (https://247sports.com/Article/Ex-Louisville-basketball-head-coach-Chris-Mack-says-he-wont-return-to-coaching-in-2023-cycle--206674841/)
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2023, 12:37:59 PM
@GoodmanHoops
Two names likely to be high on Providence's list, source told @Stadium.
Penn State's Micah Shrewsberry (who I don't think would take it)
George Mason's Kim English
Shrewsberry would be a huge win. Don't think Providence is good enough for him though.
Why would he go from Penn St to
Prov ? No way
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 20, 2023, 01:04:25 PM
Why would he go from Penn St to
Prov ? No way
Money would be the first answer, if Providence is going to pay him more. Much easier to win at Providence than at Penn State, too.
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 20, 2023, 01:04:25 PM
Why would he go from Penn St to
Prov ? No way
Crazy as someone leaving Marquette for VT.
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 20, 2023, 01:04:25 PM
Why would he go from Penn St to
Prov ? No way
Penn State is a crap job. He'll be moving on shortly, but I think he probably holds out for somewhere more prestigious than PC.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 20, 2023, 01:18:41 PM
Penn State is a crap job. He'll be moving on shortly, but I think he probably holds out for somewhere more prestigious than PC.
I agree but remember Cooley turned down Michigan (decent gig) to stay at PC.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 20, 2023, 01:21:43 PM
I agree but remember Cooley turned down Michigan (decent gig) to stay at PC.
May just be the scuttlebutt at the time, but I think it was a successful ploy to make PC come up with a nice increase.
A couple of weeks ago BE Commissioner Val Ackermann announced that soon the Conference would begin negotiations with FOX over renewal of the BE broadcasting contract.
There has always been the suggestion that the BE needed strong teams in Washington D.C. and NYC in order to maximize those two markets.
On the cusp of contract talks involving hundreds of millions of dollars, a rebirth of the Hoyas and the return of a celebrity to St John's (Pitino) I think bodes well for FOX'S valuing of the BE product.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on March 20, 2023, 01:30:42 PM
A couple of weeks ago BE Commissioner Val Ackermann announced that soon the Conference would begin negotiations with FOX over renewal of the BE broadcasting contract.
There has always been the suggestion that the BE needed strong teams in Washington D.C. and NYC in order to maximize those two markets.
On the cusp of contract talks involving hundreds of millions of dollars, a rebirth of the Hoyas and the return of a celebrity to St John's (Pitino) I think bodes well for FOX'S valuing of the BE product.
I'm not worried about FOX valuing us, I want the BE in a position where FOX & ESPN are bidding for us.
Quote from: The Lens on March 20, 2023, 01:38:29 PM
I'm not worried about FOX valuing us, I want the BE in a position where FOX & ESPN are bidding for us.
gotten.
Well, since a " bidding war " is really " valuing g " I think what I said above is accurate.
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Goodman effectively informing the team? Jesus. I've always liked Ed Cooley but come on man.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 20, 2023, 11:55:15 AM
In the divorce, does "and Company" stay with Providence or go with Cooley?
Cooley had built his own brand in Providence, was beloved there and now he is going to be a highly paid JTIII boot licking ,JTII wannabe? I guess Money talks .
So "and Company" is staying with the new Providence Coach . Georgetown is evil and must be destroyed.
Pete Thamel reporting Pitino agrees to 6 year deal with St. John's.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 20, 2023, 01:56:47 PM
Pete Thamel reporting Pitino agrees to 6 year deal with St. John's.
Sounds like Pitino finished that up quickly.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 20, 2023, 01:59:16 PM
Sounds like Pitino finished that up quickly.
I mean...once the offer was on the table.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 20, 2023, 01:55:45 PM
Cooley had built his own brand in Providence, was beloved there and now he is going to be a highly paid JTIII boot licking ,JTII wannabe? I guess Money talks .
So "and Company" is staying with the new Providence Coach . Georgetown is evil and must be destroyed.
BE needs Georgetown to get back to national prominence. You should know as you said: the cause, tv ratings, etc.
Cooley a great hire for the DMV area and can now fight with Kevin Willard over the fertile recruiting grounds, keeping the DC and Baltimore guys home. Willard already has kept some recruits for next year and is also in on some others with MU, like Faisal Abraham's son. Cooley in no way will be a "wannabe".
Cooley had a couple of highly ranked recruits for next year at PU, wonder if they follow him.
Wouldn't want Pitino anywhere near MU, but love to have him at a conference rival. Hope he revives St. John's in short order.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 20, 2023, 10:13:43 AM
My wild guess at what happens:
Georgetown -> Cooley
Providence -> Pitino
St Johns -> Bobby Hurley
Was expecting this prediction to at least last a bit longer. It's an interesting day for the Big East. The Georgetown/Providence rivalry will be great. Cooley and Pitino will bring some swag back to Georgetown and St Johns respectively. Providence will be hungry to stay relevant but I think Providence, Seton Hall, and Nova should watch out. Butler and DePaul will remain punching bags.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 20, 2023, 02:15:40 PM
Was expecting this prediction to at least last a bit longer. It's an interesting day for the Big East. The Georgetown/Providence rivalry will be great. Cooley and Pitino will bring some swag back to Georgetown and St Johns respectively. Providence will be hungry to stay relevant.
Bobby Hurley to Providence then?
He probably wants back on the east coast anyway?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 20, 2023, 02:03:33 PM
I mean...once the offer was on the table.
Yes. The fine print was easy to de-Sypher.
Quote from: nyg on March 20, 2023, 02:08:02 PM
BE needs Georgetown to get back to national prominence. You should know as you said: the cause, tv ratings, etc.
Cooley a great hire for the DMV area and can now fight with Kevin Willard over the fertile recruiting grounds, keeping the DC and Baltimore guys home. Willard already has kept some recruits for next year and is also in on some others with MU, like Faisal Abraham's son. Cooley in no way will be a "wannabe".
Cooley had a couple of highly ranked recruits for next year at PU, wonder if they follow him.
It would be nice for Georgetown to regain national prominence, but the Big East definitely doesn't NEED them to. It's done just fine with them in the cellar.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 20, 2023, 01:53:04 PM
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Goodman effectively informing the team? Jesus. I've always liked Ed Cooley but come on man.
Cooley to Tom Crean: "Oh yeah? Hold my beer."
Quote from: LAZER on March 20, 2023, 02:21:14 PM
It would be nice for Georgetown to regain national prominence, but the Big East definitely doesn't NEED them to. It's done just fine with them in the cellar.
Georgetown still thinks it's 1985. And acts like it.
Quote from: nyg on March 20, 2023, 02:08:02 PM
BE needs Georgetown to get back to national prominence. You should know as you said: the cause, tv ratings, etc.
Cooley a great hire for the DMV area and can now fight with Kevin Willard over the fertile recruiting grounds, keeping the DC and Baltimore guys home. Willard already has kept some recruits for next year and is also in on some others with MU, like Faisal Abraham's son. Cooley in no way will be a "wannabe".
Cooley had a couple of highly ranked recruits for next year at PU, wonder if they follow him.
Yeah, I know the cause, TV ratings . However , Georgetown just got immediately better. It was nice having them as a doormat the last few years .
I guess PC going to take thet mantle for a while now .
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 20, 2023, 02:48:17 PM
Georgetown still thinks it's 1985. And acts like it.
Shouldn't it? Do you like the hire?
Quote from: Herman Cain link=topic=64234.msg1538836#msg1538836 date=
Yeah, I know the cause, TV ratings . However , Georgetown just got immediately better. It was nice having them as a doormat the last few years .
I guess PC going to take thet mantle for a while now .
They'll have to fight off Butler.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 20, 2023, 02:51:46 PM
Yeah, I know the cause, TV ratings . However , Georgetown just got immediately better.
But how much better?
Perhaps Georgetown has a higher ceiling than Providence, but nothing on Cooley's resume hints that the JTII days are back in D.C.
In 12 years at Providence, Cooley has made the second weekend of the tourney just once. His teams have finished the season ranked just once.
He's a very good coach, but he's going to have to really step it up for Georgetown to get its money's worth.
Johnnies stiffing Mike Anderson....
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35903881/mike-anderson-file-lawsuit-vs-st-john-firing
Wonder how many regular season games The Johnnies will have in The Garden now.
https://twitter.com/StJohnsBBall/status/1637897123269074946/photo/1
Who's going to hire the FDU coach?
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 20, 2023, 03:24:15 PM
Johnnies stiffing Mike Anderson....
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35903881/mike-anderson-file-lawsuit-vs-st-john-firing
This makes no sense. It didn't work for UConn and Kevin Ollie. They tried and he won in court.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 20, 2023, 03:25:42 PM
Wonder how many regular season games The Johnnies will have in The Garden now.
https://twitter.com/StJohnsBBall/status/1637897123269074946/photo/1
You mean our 2nd home?
Providence is in a pickle. Cooley really was a great fit a native son. I don't necessarily blame him for leaving for a few reasons. You can get stale as a coach in one spot, though it didn't seem to be the case here. Secondly, the contract tells me GTown just got serious about hoops.
The Dence shouldn't rush for a hire. Get the right fit and best coach. I'm not a huge Bobby Hurley guy, but if he's available, I think he's a natural east coast guy.
Ryan Odom and Pat Kelsey probably get calls as well. Seen Kim English kicked around as well.
Rico
I like that Bobby Hurley call. Not a big fan of his, but think it would be a good fit and bring even more juice to the BE.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut link=topic=64234.msg1538848#msg1538848 date=
This makes no sense. It didn't work for UConn and Kevin Ollie. They tried and he won in court.
Of course it makes sense to try.
If you win, you save $11 million. If you lose, you're paying the $11 million you would have had to pay anyway.
And chances are, you can negotiate something less than the full $11 million at the negotiating table before it reaches arbitration. Anderson likely doesn't want to sting this out and risk getting nothing.
My understanding is that UConn played hardball thinking that the NCAA violations would make that case unwinnable by Ollie. It sounds like they could have settled for less during negotiations, but refused.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 20, 2023, 05:54:57 PM
Of course it makes sense to try.
If you win, you save $11 million. If you lose, you're paying the $11 million you would have had to pay anyway.
And chances are, you can negotiate something less than the full $11 million at the negotiating table before it reaches arbitration. Anderson likely doesn't want to sting this out and risk getting nothing.
My understanding is that UConn played hardball thinking that the NCAA violations would make that case unwinnable by Ollie. It sounds like they could have settled for less during negotiations, but refused.
Plus legal fees
Quote from: jfp61 on March 20, 2023, 06:04:39 PM
Plus legal fees
Ding! Ding! Ding!
If you lose, you're not only paying Anderson his $11 million, you're paying your legal fees and perhaps his legal fees, and perhaps damages.
UConn ended up paying Ollie about $15 million in all, not to mention four years worth of its own legal fees, in its hamfisted attempt to avoid paying him $10 million.
The BEast is a great conference and just got more interesting. If I was Providence I would be patient and not automatically think Bobby Hurley is the right fit.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 20, 2023, 01:56:47 PM
Pete Thamel reporting Pitino agrees to 6 year deal with St. John's.
Catholic institute of higher learning hiring a big time sleaze bucket.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 20, 2023, 06:48:25 PM
Catholic institute of higher learning hiring a big time sleaze bucket.
Two-time national champion
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2023, 06:37:33 PM
The BEast is a great conference and just got more interesting. If I was Providence I would be patient and not automatically think Bobby Hurley is the right fit.
Can't really be "patient" with coaching hires. You need your new coach out there working the portal yesterday. Otherwise your new coach is starting at a major deficit. Cooley really screwed PC over if he didn't tell them weeks ago he was taking the GT job.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 20, 2023, 06:51:15 PM
Can't really be "patient" with coaching hires. You need your new coach out there working the portal yesterday. Otherwise your new coach is starting at a major deficit. Cooley really screwed PC over if he didn't tell them weeks ago he was taking the GT job.
It seems like a d move but there are a number of decent cosches that will be available.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2023, 07:03:44 PM
It seems like a d move but there are a number of decent cosches that will be available.
If Providence is willing to pay the next coach what they paid Cooley, they may end up ahead. If they care about being good next year, they should act quick.
Providence should go with Langel or Kelsey. They make the most sense.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 20, 2023, 06:50:46 PM
Two-time national champion
Sleaze bucket. Go ahead and slurp him
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 20, 2023, 06:50:46 PM
Two-time national champion
And one of those wasn't vacated because of his sleazy activities.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 20, 2023, 06:50:46 PM
Two-time national champion
I checked the record book and can only find one championship. Louisville has no record or banner showing a championship. Easy mistake to make. :D
This is new PC-GT rivalry is going to be fun to watch: https://twitter.com/pimpsdontcry99/status/1637879693880729628?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 21, 2023, 08:27:38 AM
I checked the record book and can only find one championship. Louisville has no record or banner showing a championship. Easy mistake to make. :D
"Pitino has won two national championships — though the 2013 title at Louisville was later vacated — and has appeared in seven Final Fours. He is the first coach to take three different schools (Providence, Kentucky and Louisville) to the national semifinals, and won his first championship with Kentucky in 1996."
Goof summary article
https://www.thetimes-tribune.com/tipsheet-coaching-carousel-yields-pain-for-anderson-gain-for-pitino/article_bc486b67-7dad-57f8-a47d-062b5404f372.html
Titles are forever, like nerds
Quote from: shoothoops on March 20, 2023, 12:40:22 PM
Kim English was an assistant at Tennessee to Rick Barnes. Rick Barnes once left George Mason for Providence.
He also came off the bench and hit those FTs against the McNeal/Matthews/DJames and caused a permanent rule change in college hoops
FDU's Tobin Anderson is being targeted by Iona.
Providence should just look around and hire the dirtiest ,sleaziest coach available. The Big East has Pitino and Millet lets just make the conference a rogues gallery of dubious coaches. Excellent way to honor Catholic mission .
Quote from: hawk on March 21, 2023, 11:14:26 AM
Providence should just look around and hire the dirtiest ,sleaziest coach available. The Big East has Pitino and Millet lets just make the conference a rogues gallery of dubious coaches. Excellent way to honor Catholic mission .
That would be smart of Providence. Wins are forever
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 21, 2023, 10:57:01 AM
FDU's Tobin Anderson is being targeted by Iona.
Done deal, he is at Iona.
Pitino named Joel Soriano as team captain in his press conference. Looks like Joel's sticking around.
Good to know that SJU AND X find winning more important than ethics, values, culture or their Catholic identities. Pathetic...
There is no such thing as a smooth exit.
Rumors and drama now flying around Friartown.
https://twitter.com/DivineProv21345/status/1637921489084116993?t=FsMgzGiMYQTuDPLPoYwXkw&s=19
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 21, 2023, 12:06:48 PM
Good to know that SJU AND X find winning more important than ethics, values, culture or their Catholic identities. Pathetic...
I think the Catholic church long ago punted on ethics, values and culture
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2023, 12:14:32 PM
There is no such thing as a smooth exit.
Rumors and drama now flying around Friartown.
https://twitter.com/DivineProv21345/status/1637921489084116993?t=FsMgzGiMYQTuDPLPoYwXkw&s=19
This is great
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 21, 2023, 12:06:48 PM
Good to know that SJU AND X find winning more important than ethics, values, culture or their Catholic identities. Pathetic...
Lest we forget, Marquette employed and supported Brent Williams for many years.
Quote from: LAZER on March 21, 2023, 12:24:27 PM
This is great
There is going to be so much animosity from Providence fans all season.
Georgetown's visit to the Dunk next year will be must-see tv. Wonder if it will "coincide" with $3 beer night.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 21, 2023, 12:32:16 PM
Georgetown's visit to the Dunk next year will be must-see tv. Wonder if it will "coincide" with $3 beer night.
They got rid of beer I thought. Students couldn't handle it 😂
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2023, 12:34:06 PM
They got rid of beer I thought. Students couldn't handle it 😂
Oh I wasn't even thinking of them yet.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2023, 12:34:06 PM
They got rid of beer I thought. Students couldn't handle it 😂
Only beer in cans. They had to pour it in a cup to prevent projectiles.
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 21, 2023, 12:06:48 PM
Good to know that SJU AND X find winning more important than ethics, values, culture or their Catholic identities. Pathetic...
I guess you will have to stop your donations to SJU and X.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2023, 12:14:32 PM
There is no such thing as a smooth exit.
Rumors and drama now flying around Friartown.
https://twitter.com/DivineProv21345/status/1637921489084116993?t=FsMgzGiMYQTuDPLPoYwXkw&s=19
Well, Goodman does say it's not about money.
@GoodmanHoops
Just an FYI: Ed Cooley did NOT leave Georgetown for the money. Sure, he is making more with the Hoyas. But the average is about $5 million per year, per source.
7 years at about $35 million at Georgetown, per source. Providence was paying somewhere around 4.5 mil per year.
Frenns ...
Why would you make that comment?
At some level, I don't care about SJU or X, but ... But I would like to think that
Catholic Institutions still have some values. Maybe not
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/rick-pitino-drops-stunning-admission-on-st-john-s-roster-after-hiring/ar-AA18U4Ix?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=b5a9d344ec4b4fe09a7b91381bbb03f5&ei=13
Pitino gonna clean house.. Sort of what Dion Sanders did at Colorado, telling the players pack your bags I have better guys coming in.
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 21, 2023, 01:21:04 PM
Frenns ...
Why would you make that comment?
At some level, I don't care about SJU or X, but ... But I would like to think that
Catholic Institutions still have some values. Maybe not
Catholic institutions have always had values. Those values often follow a $.
My Seton Hall alum friend is saying he's hearing Bobby Hurley to Providence.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2023, 01:44:42 PM
Catholic institutions have always had values. Those values often follow a $.
And we don't even know what is deep down in the vaults.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 21, 2023, 01:47:31 PM
My Seton Hall alum friend is saying he's hearing Bobby Hurley to Providence.
He is unhappy, and I've heard the rumor as well.
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 21, 2023, 01:21:04 PM
Frenns ...
Why would you make that comment?
At some level, I don't care about SJU or X, but ... But I would like to think that
Catholic Institutions still have some values. Maybe not
MU's values were the same as any other school I've been around, the only difference is I had to take "Bible through the Ages" while here.
Hurley from ASU to Providence is picking up steam.
Providence hiring steam is picking up Hurley
Providence is hiring steam and hurling
Guessin' da alopecia wuzant a turn off ta co-eds, hey?
Steamy Elizabeth Hurley to pickup Provencetown
Why does Providence think a guy who couldn't win in the worst P6 conference is going to fare any better in the Big East?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2023, 03:20:11 PM
Why does Providence think a guy who couldn't win in the worst P6 conference is going to fare any better in the Big East?
Recruiting back home.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2023, 03:33:01 PM
Recruiting back home.
Recruiting hasn't been an issue for Hurley at ASU. His classes have been ranked in the top 25 more often than not.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2023, 02:45:55 PM
Hurley from ASU to Providence is picking up steam.
Nah. They'll put some English on this hire.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2023, 03:20:11 PM
Why does Providence think a guy who couldn't win in the worst P6 conference is going to fare any better in the Big East?
Also going to have to compete with his brother.
I wish him all the best.
Paul Mills leave Oral Bob and takes the job at Wichita State.
Quote from: panda on March 21, 2023, 12:25:34 PM
Lest we forget, Marquette employed and supported Brent Williams for many years.
did you have a problem with Brent when coaching MU to the Elite 8?
Quote from: Viper on March 21, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
did you have a problem with Brent when coaching MU to the Elite 8?
No, that's the point
Quote from: Viper on March 21, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
did you have a problem with Brent when coaching MU to the Elite 8?
Loved buzz, hated brent.
Ziggy
Well said. Never thought of it that way, and I agree completely.
Mac looking to move in the middle of a run? Uh oh.
https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1638323997007052801?t=iUmGbW90Vrlg2daCIWV4xw&s=19
More Cooley smoke.
https://twitter.com/TroyMachir/status/1638313824943063041?t=gagQFj_F1s7sRvk_luTi9w&s=19
Rumors of Brey to USF.
Greg McDermott might bolt the BE.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2023, 06:46:16 PM
Mac looking to move in the middle of a run? Uh oh.
https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1638323997007052801?t=iUmGbW90Vrlg2daCIWV4xw&s=19
If this has any validity by the way...I'd expect it to be Notre Dame.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 21, 2023, 06:53:39 PM
Greg McDermott might bolt the BE.
He'd do well at ND. Let it fly..
Pitino bringing more Johnnie games to The Garden. That will help The Big East Cause .
https://nypost.com/2023/03/20/rick-pitino-wants-to-bring-st-johns-back-to-its-glory-days/amp/
Hurley gets two year extension at ASU.
Per BigEastBets on Twitter
"Hearing McDermott to Notre Dame.... I think a school like ND can get him the players he needs above board. Pre-NIL Creighton was notorious for dropping bags. Just a casualty of the new NIL landscape. Tough loss for the Big East.
Next up for CU, Darian DeVries"
https://twitter.com/BigEastBets/status/1638338039209422849?t=Q5CGpcpP6jYOg15ueq5ZjQ&s=19
Obviously won't know anything until Creighton is done with their season, but the Big East rumor mill is flowing.
What are the rumors about Cooley?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2023, 07:54:01 PM
What are the rumors about Cooley?
This thread gives all the juicy details
https://247sports.com/college/providence/board/102629/Contents/why-eddy-left-207024275/?page=1
These Cooley "rumors" reek of sour grapes.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2023, 07:35:34 PM
Per BigEastBets on Twitter
"Hearing McDermott to Notre Dame.... I think a school like ND can get him the players he needs above board. Pre-NIL Creighton was notorious for dropping bags. Just a casualty of the new NIL landscape. Tough loss for the Big East.
Next up for CU, Darian DeVries"
https://twitter.com/BigEastBets/status/1638338039209422849?t=Q5CGpcpP6jYOg15ueq5ZjQ&s=19
Obviously won't know anything until Creighton is done with their season, but the Big East rumor mill is flowing.
I thought ND was going after Shrewsberry.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 21, 2023, 08:53:53 PM
I thought ND was going after Shrewsberry.
They are.
Coaching changes isn't a credible source.
Credible people reported earlier that Shrewsberry will decide between now and end of Thursday to leave for Notre Dame or stay at Penn St.
The same credible people have reported other ND choices as McDermott, Langel, Devries, if Shrewsberry passes or if things fall through with him.
Sources: Borzello, Thamel and several others.
Love that SJU would play all of their Big East games at MSG. This is great for every team in the conference. More opportunities to play on the biggest stage isn't a bad thing! The crowds will get bigger, too.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 21, 2023, 08:10:37 PM
This thread gives all the juicy details
https://247sports.com/college/providence/board/102629/Contents/why-eddy-left-207024275/?page=1
Holy smokes there losing it over there...wonder how much truth is to any of that
💯%, aina?
Tobin Anderson wasting no time cashing in the chips he earned against Purdue. Heading to Iona to fill the spot vacated by Slick Rick.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2023, 07:35:34 PM
Per BigEastBets on Twitter
"Hearing McDermott to Notre Dame.... I think a school like ND can get him the players he needs above board. Pre-NIL Creighton was notorious for dropping bags. Just a casualty of the new NIL landscape. Tough loss for the Big East.
Next up for CU, Darian DeVries"
https://twitter.com/BigEastBets/status/1638338039209422849?t=Q5CGpcpP6jYOg15ueq5ZjQ&s=19
Obviously won't know anything until Creighton is done with their season, but the Big East rumor mill is flowing.
Same dude was sure that Pitino was going to coach at Providence on the 17th.
Throw enough at a wall and something is going to stick.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 21, 2023, 09:04:38 PM
They are.
Coaching changes isn't a credible source.
Credible people reported earlier that Shrewsberry will decide between now and end of Thursday to leave for Notre Dame or stay at Penn St.
The same credible people have reported other ND choices as McDermott, Langel, Devries, if Shrewsberry passes or if things fall through with him.
Sources: Borzello, Thamel and several others.
Dude, that handle is right so often.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2023, 06:26:31 AM
Same dude was sure that Pitino was going to coach at Providence on the 17th.
Throw enough at a wall and something is going to stick.
The ND beat has also been talking about him for a while now. He's plan B
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on March 22, 2023, 07:03:47 AM
The ND beat has also been talking about him for a while now. He's plan B
That is my favorite thing about ND. They think their basketball team is their football team.
And that they can just always get whomever they want whenever they want.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2023, 06:26:58 AM
Dude, that handle is right so often.
Yeo. That handle is wrong often.
That handle takes info already available elsewhere and passes it off as its own. And as you pointed out it will change and adjust when wrong without saying so.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 22, 2023, 07:30:59 AM
Yeo. That handle is wrong often.
That handle takes info already available elsewhere and passes it off as its own. And as you pointed out it will change and adjust when wrong without saying so.
I certainly don't take the things they say as gospel, but they're an undeniably decent source.
Not sure where to post this but unsurprising news day 1 on the job. St. John's will be a big time problem with pitino.
https://twitter.com/tiptonedits/status/1638507281108152321?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
Quote from: panda on March 22, 2023, 07:41:55 AM
Not sure where to post this but unsurprising news day 1 on the job. St. John's will be a big time problem with pitino.
https://twitter.com/tiptonedits/status/1638507281108152321?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
Good. Play the best to become the best.
Unless you're DePaul.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2023, 07:37:30 AM
I certainly don't take the things they say as gospel, but they're an undeniably decent source.
It's a bunch of anonymous coaches. There is good info because of the anonymity.
Discrediting it as garbage is wrong, but the posts need to be taken with a grain of salt.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 21, 2023, 07:31:58 PM
Pitino bringing more Johnnie games to The Garden. That will help The Big East Cause .
https://nypost.com/2023/03/20/rick-pitino-wants-to-bring-st-johns-back-to-its-glory-days/amp/
...and to quote the last sentence:
"Today with NIL, [being in] the Big East," he added, "I expect to rebuild in months not years."
Will see which approach will be more successful; Patino's or Shaka's.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2023, 07:43:06 AM
Good. Play the best to become the best.
Unless you're DePaul.
I agree. The last two off seasons have solidified the BE as a top tier basketball conference.
Disagree on DePaul. I don't see a pitino type ever wanting to save that program, but it would be awesome to have them as an actual rival.
Quote from: panda on March 22, 2023, 07:46:06 AM
I agree. The last two off seasons have solidified the BE as a top tier basketball conference.
Disagree on DePaul. I don't see a pitino type ever wanting to save that program, but it would be awesome to have them as an actual rival.
I think the first thing DePaul needs is, people in charge that care about the program beyond the coaching staff
Quote from: panda on March 22, 2023, 07:46:06 AM
I agree. The last two off seasons have solidified the BE as a top tier basketball conference.
Disagree on DePaul. I don't see a pitino type ever wanting to save that program, but it would be awesome to have them as an actual rival.
Every conference needs to have a dud...I like that depaul is in our backyard.
Jeff Goodman vs Dave Portnoy is a battle no one asked for.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 22, 2023, 08:07:38 AM
Every conference needs to have a dud...I like that depaul is in our backyard.
DePaul and Butler will be in the basement.
Nova, Seton Hall, and Providence will be the mid tier. Down cycle for these schools after losing Wright, Willard, and Cooley.
UConn, Marquette, Xavier, and Creighton make up the current top tier. St. John's and Georgetown are trying to get there.
Quote from: panda on March 22, 2023, 07:46:06 AM
I agree. The last two off seasons have solidified the BE as a top tier basketball conference.
Disagree on DePaul. I don't see a pitino type ever wanting to save that program, but it would be awesome to have them as an actual rival.
DeP is a rival. Just as when Wisconsin was garbage, they were still a rival, just as good or bad the Packers & Bears are rivals.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 22, 2023, 08:23:59 AM
DePaul and Butler will be in the basement.
Nova, Seton Hall, and Providence will be the mid tier. Down cycle for these schools after losing Wright, Willard, and Cooley.
UConn, Marquette, Xavier, and Creighton make up the current top tier. St. John's and Georgetown are trying to get there.
I could see PC in the basement. English needs to coach at a level he hasn't before in order to succeed.
Creighton could stink if McDermott leaves.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 22, 2023, 08:52:42 AM
I could see PC in the basement. English needs to coach at a level he hasn't before in order to succeed.
Creighton could stink if McDermott leaves.
I think a transition to Darian DeVries could work out fine. Would need a solid staff
The St. John's home game has always been a stinker, but now it'll be a really fun one to go to. For that alone, I'm glad Pitino is in the conference.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 22, 2023, 08:52:42 AM
I could see PC in the basement. English needs to coach at a level he hasn't before in order to succeed.
Creighton could stink if McDermott leaves.
Just hate to see it, really
I'm really enjoying the Coaching Carousel this year because MU not in any talk other than having a stud head coach, it is nice for a change after the darkness of the previous regime
The Stool Presidente beef with Jeff Goodman is hilarious and the blurbs of Slick Rick talking about Character are beyond hilariously ironic
I do feel for Providence fans losing a partner you thought was committed and would have you as long as you wanted them.......the business is real
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 22, 2023, 08:23:34 AM
Jeff Goodman vs Dave Portnoy is a battle no one asked for.
Fun to see a couple of idiots call each other idiots with neither having self awareness.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 22, 2023, 08:52:42 AM
I could see PC in the basement. English needs to coach at a level he hasn't before in order to succeed.
Creighton could stink if McDermott leaves.
Entirely possible for Providence to bottom out. But DePaul is a special kind of bad. I think Providence ends up where St. John's has been recently. Bad to mediocre, maybe sneaking into the tourney once in awhile.
If McDermott leaves Creighton, that certainly brings them into the realm of uncertainty. Would have to see who they hire.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 22, 2023, 09:23:21 AM
If McDermott leaves Creighton, that certainly brings them into the realm of uncertainty. Would have to see who they hire.
Moser would be on the first thing smoking outta Norman if that happens
Quote from: panda on March 22, 2023, 07:41:55 AM
Not sure where to post this but unsurprising news day 1 on the job. St. John's will be a big time problem with pitino.
https://twitter.com/tiptonedits/status/1638507281108152321?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
Big time problem? We'll see. It'll be interesting in a few years to see how his recruiting goes when he starts approaching retirement.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 22, 2023, 08:52:42 AM
Creighton could stink if McDermott leaves.
COULD? Sure.
WILL? I don't think so. There is too much fan and admin investment at Creighton for them to totally fall off the map. They are the only show in town and put a lot of support and $$ into the program. Worst case scenario is a MU-under-Wojo situation, which isn't great but also isn't total despair a la DePaul or Georgetown.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2023, 09:16:05 AM
Fun to see a couple of idiots call each other idiots with neither having self awareness.
Portnoy is friends and does business with Mike Repole, founder of BodyArmor among other things, and he apparently said he's ready to throw his billionaire pocket book at St. John's to help them get and retain top talent. Repole is a huge Pitino guy apparently.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 22, 2023, 09:29:03 AM
Moser would be on the first thing smoking outta Norman if that happens
Who'd they rather have? Moser or DeVries?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 22, 2023, 09:38:26 AM
Who'd they rather have? Moser or DeVries?
Hell, after last night it sounds like Altman would take a call too.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 22, 2023, 09:31:55 AM
COULD? Sure.
WILL? I don't think so. There is too much fan and admin investment at Creighton for them to totally fall off the map. They are the only show in town and put a lot of support and $$ into the program. Worst case scenario is a MU-under-Wojo situation, which isn't great but also isn't total despair a la DePaul or Georgetown.
Dude, Lincoln is 15 miles away.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 22, 2023, 09:38:26 AM
Who'd they rather have? Moser or DeVries?
Not sure who they'd rather have. I'd rather have DeVries.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2023, 09:32:31 AM
Portnoy is friends and does business with Mike Repole, founder of BodyArmor among other things, and he apparently said he's ready to throw his billionaire pocket book at St. John's to help them get and retain top talent. Repole is a huge Pitino guy apparently.
When Repole sold Vitamin Water for a gazillion dollars, he went all-in with his 🐎 racing pursuits. I wouldn't doubt if friend and fellow horse owner Pitino has been in his ear all along. He will be the top NIL guy for St John's, rank in the top ten nationally on NIL spending, and St John's will be back to major prominence as soon as 2024-25. Bet on it.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 22, 2023, 09:43:45 AM
Hell, after last night it sounds like Altman would take a call too.
Seriously. What a wild press conference.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 22, 2023, 09:43:45 AM
Hell, after last night it sounds like Altman would take a call too.
He ain't wrong, either. The conference being a mess, I'd be looking, too
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2023, 09:44:32 AM
Dude, Lincoln is 15 miles away.
Dude, Lincoln might be 15 miles from a lot of places but Omaha is not one of them. Not even close.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 22, 2023, 10:16:02 AM
Dude, Lincoln might be 15 miles from a lot of places but Omaha is not one of them. Not even close.
55 mi. my bad. Still easy enough to be a fan of Nebraska if Creighton falls off a cliff.
It's less distance than Madison to Milwaukee.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2023, 10:20:37 AM
55 mi. my bad. Still easy enough to be a fan of Nebraska if Creighton falls off a cliff.
It's less distance than Madison to Milwaukee.
Marquette/Wisconsin = Creighton/Nebraska
There's some fan crossover ("Jayskers"), but not much.
I'm not sure Nebraska basketball is much of a threat either.
Fanta says Kim English to Prov
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 22, 2023, 11:31:14 AM
I'm not sure Nebraska basketball is much of a threat either.
Oh, I agree for sure. But the discussion was if Creighton was the only show in town.
Move over, "It's Indiana, it's Indiana." New press conference meme just dropped:
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1638581945817866242?t=UCAkveQzc0TNP2Z62DQ3xA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1638581945817866242?t=UCAkveQzc0TNP2Z62DQ3xA&s=19)
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 22, 2023, 11:52:16 AM
Move over, "It's Indiana, it's Indiana." New press conference meme just dropped:
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1638581945817866242?t=UCAkveQzc0TNP2Z62DQ3xA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1638581945817866242?t=UCAkveQzc0TNP2Z62DQ3xA&s=19)
Georgetown @ PC will be TENSE
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 22, 2023, 11:31:14 AM
I'm not sure Nebraska basketball is much of a threat either.
Yeah, I mean not even Nebraska fans care about Nebraska basketball. I don't see many Creighton fans jumping ship to support them.
Creighton did have a solid program pre-McDermott. Dana Altman took them to six straight tournaments at one point, and Tony Barone had some good years there as well. McDermott leaving would be a blow, but no reason to believe the right coach couldn't succeed there.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 22, 2023, 12:08:32 PM
Georgetown @ PC will be TENSE
The court will be littered with beer cans (some even with some beer left in them) and whatever else is convenient to toss out there. Imagine the booing. It will be deafening. And that's before the tipoff!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2023, 12:34:06 PM
They got rid of beer I thought. Students couldn't handle it 😂
I was at the Dunk for the Marquette/Providence game 3 years ago.
I can report with absolute certainty that they DID NOT get rid of beer ( at least not then ).
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 22, 2023, 12:36:58 PM
The court will be littered with beer cans (some even with some beer left in them) and whatever else is convenient to toss out there. Imagine the booing. It will be deafening. And that's before the tipoff!
And lots of players' brothers strolling out onto the court
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 22, 2023, 11:52:16 AM
Move over, "It's Indiana, it's Indiana." New press conference meme just dropped:
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1638581945817866242?t=UCAkveQzc0TNP2Z62DQ3xA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1638581945817866242?t=UCAkveQzc0TNP2Z62DQ3xA&s=19)
Is 'Divine Providence' the name of his mistress?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 22, 2023, 12:57:22 PM
Is 'Divine Providence' the name of his mistress?
Or Rick Pitino's top recruiter?
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on March 22, 2023, 12:39:46 PM
I was at the Dunk for the Marquette/Providence game 3 years ago.
I can report with absolute certainty that they DID NOT get rid of beer ( at least not then ).
It was this year after students were throwing beers onto press computers.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 22, 2023, 12:57:22 PM
Is 'Divine Providence' the name of his mistress?
Kinda catchy. I like it!
Quote
Is 'Divine Providence' the name of his mistress?
Or Rick Pitino's top recruiter?
+1 and +1
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on March 22, 2023, 09:49:10 AM
When Repole sold Vitamin Water for a gazillion dollars, he went all-in with his 🐎 racing pursuits. I wouldn't doubt if friend and fellow horse owner Pitino has been in his ear all along. He will be the top NIL guy for St John's, rank in the top ten nationally on NIL spending, and St John's will be back to major prominence as soon as 2024-25. Bet on it.
yup, 100%
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 22, 2023, 12:57:22 PM
Is 'Divine Providence' the name of his mistress?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 22, 2023, 01:00:51 PM
Or Rick Pitino's top recruiter?
These comments are gold, Jerry. Gold!
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 22, 2023, 11:52:16 AM
Move over, "It's Indiana, it's Indiana." New press conference meme just dropped:
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1638581945817866242?t=UCAkveQzc0TNP2Z62DQ3xA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1638581945817866242?t=UCAkveQzc0TNP2Z62DQ3xA&s=19)
Dear Lord this is going to be fun
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2023, 01:37:09 PM
Dear Lord this is going to be fun
Cooley going 'Scorched Earth" on PC. Love it.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 22, 2023, 11:33:50 AM
Fanta says Kim English to Prov
Will Billy be his assistant, then?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 22, 2023, 01:46:33 PM
Will Billy be his assistant, then?
Does Billy have gray hair?
This...doesn't strike me as the best look for Cooley: https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1638604117391310850
Quote from: TwoWords on March 22, 2023, 02:10:07 PM
This...doesn't strike me as the best look for Cooley: https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1638604117391310850
Hahahahhahahaha. I laughed out loud at this reply.
https://twitter.com/TitosFishTacos/status/1638607950544793601?t=uFVmQxHoOGsNqMEOaNcRaQ&s=19
Think of how very blessed Marquette is to have a coach who represents the university in such an exemplary way.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 22, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
These comments are gold, Jerry. Gold!
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/anchoragepress.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/8d/e8d8dee2-1816-11e8-8a05-5756d894e01b/5a8f355c91e16.image.jpg?resize=400%2C300)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2023, 02:17:29 PM
Hahahahhahahaha. I laughed out loud at this reply.
https://twitter.com/TitosFishTacos/status/1638607950544793601?t=uFVmQxHoOGsNqMEOaNcRaQ&s=19
Yeah, that is funny...they look excited to be there.
There's some resentment of the basketball program in the athletics department at Georgetown. Not sure if the same is true at Marquette or other basketball-centric schools. Being told, "Drop whatever you're doing and come to a meeting with Ed Cooley" probably doesn't help with that. Hopefully, he won them over before the end of the meeting and they looked a little more enthusiastic on the way out the door.
Quote from: TwoWords on March 22, 2023, 02:10:07 PM
This...doesn't strike me as the best look for Cooley: https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1638604117391310850
What a strange thing to do.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 22, 2023, 03:19:31 PM
What a strange thing to do.
Agreed. Shouldn't the AD or President be calling for that meeting?
I understand men's basketball is the reason most if not all have jobs there and pays 90% (100%?) of their salaries but that comes off as arrogant.
There's no doubt that the greatest college basketball coaches have big egos—Shaka included (in his own way). But even before his shaky departure from PU, I can't help to feel that Cooley has gone off the rails a bit with his self-reverence these past 18 months. I hope I'm wrong for the sake of the Big East, but I have a nagging suspicion that this isn't going to work out at Georgetown.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 22, 2023, 03:56:02 PM
Agreed. Shouldn't the AD or President be calling for that meeting?
I understand men's basketball is the reason most if not all have jobs there and pays 90% (100%?) of their salaries but that comes off as arrogant.
It comes off as extremely arrogant. Compare that with Shaka, who appears to have made a good faith effort on an individual level to support his fellow MU coaches and programs. Loved him shouting out that LAX win last week.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 22, 2023, 03:56:02 PM
I understand men's basketball is the reason most if not all have jobs there and pays 90% (100%?) of their salaries but that comes off as arrogant.
Yeah, the egos can be a real problem, but I said something similar to my daughter when I dropped her off at GU -- in the brand new (at the time) Thompson Athletic Center. I told her, "If it ever bothers you that the basketball team gets preferential treatment or extra benefits, remember that the money they bring in pays for all this."
Former Coach of Kim English points out some excellent character traits
https://www.abc6.com/former-coach-of-kim-english-says-providence-has-the-right-guy/
Shrewsberry to Notre Dame.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2023, 10:20:37 AM
55 mi. my bad. Still easy enough to be a fan of Nebraska if Creighton falls off a cliff.
It's less distance than Madison to Milwaukee.
Tell me that you don't know jack about Nebraska without telling me you don't know jack about Nebraska.
(Not much of an pwn, I know. 😆)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2023, 04:45:35 PM
Shrewsberry to Notre Dame.
Cant for us in the Royce Parham recruitment. Seemed like the top 2 was Marquette and Penn State.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 22, 2023, 04:41:29 PM
Former Coach of Kim English points out some excellent character traits
https://www.abc6.com/former-coach-of-kim-english-says-providence-has-the-right-guy/
I hope I am 100% wrong, but looking at English's record make me feel like PC went to the DePaul school of picking coaches.
I hope I regret this post but the resume is not strong.
So how much security will Cooley require when Gtown visits PC? Can you imagine if Crean went to another BE team.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 22, 2023, 05:04:59 PM
Cant for us in the Royce Parham recruitment. Seemed like the top 2 was Marquette and Penn State.
Also should help Marquette's NET/Resume next year as well as ND shouldn't be nearly as bad as they were last year. They come to Milwaukee next year to finish the Home and Home.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 22, 2023, 05:10:02 PM
So how much security will Cooley require when Gtown visits PC? Can you imagine if Crean went to another BE team.
If the fans remember how totally freaked out Cooley was by the Bradley Center Bat, they're going to release a couple hundred of bats when he returns to their arena. Security cannot protect him from that.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 22, 2023, 05:07:25 PM
I hope I am 100% wrong, but looking at English's record make me feel like PC went to the DePaul school of picking coaches.
I hope I regret this post but the resume is not strong.
English at PC feels like Majerus at MU (or insert other promising coach too early). He's got a ton of potential, I read a lot of good stuff about him from connected people, but it just seems too early/he's too raw for a tough job in a cutthroat conference.
I tend to side with you. But I think he has a rough 3-4 years at PC, then goes to another mid major or lead assistant at a strong high major, and then is very successful in his second stint at a high level job.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2023, 05:14:39 PM
Also should help Marquette's NET/Resume next year as well as ND shouldn't be nearly as bad as they were last year. They come to Milwaukee next year to finish the Home and Home.
We'll have to see how the portal shakes out, but I wouldn't be confident that Notre Dame is any better next year.
Five of their top six players were seniors, and the sixth is transferring. They have one returning player who averaged more than 2 ppg last season.
Shrewsbury isn't a miracle worker. But for an extremely hot March, Penn State was an NIT team.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 22, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
English at PC feels like Majerus at MU (or insert other promising coach too early). He's got a ton of potential, I read a lot of good stuff about him from connected people, but it just seems too early/he's too raw for a tough job in a cutthroat conference.
I tend to side with you. But I think he has a rough 3-4 years at PC, then goes to another mid major or lead assistant at a strong high major, and then is very successful in his second stint at a high level job.
You're not wrong, but you could probably have said the same about a lot of coaches who turned out to be very good.
Buzz Williams, for one. He had less experience (and less success) when he took over at MU, and the conference was no less cutthroat.
Nate Oats had a couple more years head coaching experience when he landed the Bama gig, but in a weaker conference than the A-10, and he had zero experience at a P6 school. He was only six years removed from high school coaching when he went to Bama.
It's more likely than not that English doesn't have a similar trajectory, but it's not beyond the realm that he does well.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 22, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
English at PC feels like Majerus at MU (or insert other promising coach too early). He's got a ton of potential, I read a lot of good stuff about him from connected people, but it just seems too early/he's too raw for a tough job in a cutthroat conference.
I tend to side with you. But I think he has a rough 3-4 years at PC, then goes to another mid major or lead assistant at a strong high major, and then is very successful in his second stint at a high level job.
Anthony grant 2.0
Quote from: JWags85 on March 22, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
English at PC feels like Majerus at MU (or insert other promising coach too early). He's got a ton of potential, I read a lot of good stuff about him from connected people, but it just seems too early/he's too raw for a tough job in a cutthroat conference.
I tend to side with you. But I think he has a rough 3-4 years at PC, then goes to another mid major or lead assistant at a strong high major, and then is very successful in his second stint at a high level job.
Greg Gard.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2023, 04:45:35 PM
Shrewsberry to Notre Dame.
So Shaka is not going to ND? Huh. Strange, the ND fans were mistaken. I am shocked.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 22, 2023, 06:30:45 PM
You're not wrong, but you could probably have said the same about a lot of coaches who turned out to be very good.
Buzz Williams, for one. He had less experience (and less success) when he took over at MU, and the conference was no less cutthroat.
Nate Oats had a couple more years head coaching experience when he landed the Bama gig, but in a weaker conference than the A-10, and he had zero experience at a P6 school. He was only six years removed from high school coaching when he went to Bama.
It's more likely than not that English doesn't have a similar trajectory, but it's not beyond the realm that he does well.
Buzz is fair, I'll disagree on Oats. He was 10 years older than English when he was hired at Bama. He had 7 years as an assistant, a decade of being a very successful HS coach (Xs and Os matter) and then 4 years I'd sustained success at UB including 2 tourney wins and a top 25 team. After inheriting a team that lost its top 3 scorers and 4 of 5 starters. He hadn't coached/recruited at the SEC level but he had much more of a track record of success as an actual coach
Per an ESPN notification just received, seems Kim English to Providence is now official.
Possibly I missed it listed here prior, but read former MU assistant Brett Nelson out at Holy Cross. As I recall, Nelson was highly thought of during his time here.
Quote from: Viper on March 23, 2023, 12:39:07 PM
Possibly I missed it listed here prior, but read former MU assistant Brett Nelson out at Holy Cross. As I recall, Nelson was highly thought of during his time here.
He was known as the shot fixer when he was here. Lot of positive vibes when he got hired to Wojo's staff. Ties to Florida. Would make sense to latch on somewhere down there
Quote from: Viper on March 23, 2023, 12:39:07 PM
Possibly I missed it listed here prior, but read former MU assistant Brett Nelson out at Holy Cross. As I recall, Nelson was highly thought of during his time here.
Thats really a tough job. Other than the Ralph Willard years inthe 2000s, this program has been rather poor since 1980.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2023, 12:43:07 PM
He was known as the shot fixer when he was here. Lot of positive vibes when he got hired to Wojo's staff. Ties to Florida. Would make sense to latch on somewhere down there
Ah yes, The Shot Doctor. Physician, heal thyself!
Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way, but I'm not sold that both Cooley and Pitino are guaranteed to have the success everyone seems to think they will have.
I am confident both will get great talent but there is a lot pressure on Cooley now after his presser where he basically guaranteed a Natty Title. Also Pitino is what? 72 years old.
Won't be shocked at whatever results we see from those programs.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2023, 02:31:54 PM
Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way, but I'm not sold that both Cooley and Pitino are guaranteed to have the success everyone seems to think they will have.
I am confident both will get great talent but there is a lot pressure on Cooley now after his presser where he basically guaranteed a Natty Title. Also Pitino is what? 72 years old.
Won't be shocked at whatever results we see from those programs.
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Pitino yes. Because they will have a "semi-pro" team.
Cooley if he does not get the players. Really is not that great of a coach. Good but not great.
So Wojo lite. And the expectations are going to be so high for both.....
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 23, 2023, 02:56:02 PM
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Still a risky 6 year hire. Not that you can't succeed at that age but I can't imagine that College Coaching lifestyle is easy. Early mornings, late nights, flying all over the country, constant meetings. Not to mention you get to a timeout at the Fiserv (and I assume other arenas in the BE) and the speakers are louder than your thoughts. He's going to have to scream at the top of his lungs at every media timeout in the Big East unlike the MAAC.
A taxing lifestyle. Good thing he's got deep pockets on his side to make it easier for him!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2023, 03:23:57 PM
Still a risky 6 year hire.
Its really not that risky. This is the best coach they've hired in a generation and if it doesnt work out - they arent worse off than they were a week ago.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2023, 03:23:57 PM
Still a risky 6 year hire. Not that you can't succeed at that age but I can't imagine that College Coaching lifestyle is easy. Early mornings, late nights, flying all over the country, constant meetings. Not to mention you get to a timeout at the Fiserv (and I assume other arenas in the BE) and the speakers are louder than your thoughts. He's going to have to scream at the top of his lungs at every media timeout in the Big East unlike the MAAC.
A taxing lifestyle. Good thing he's got deep pockets on his side to make it easier for him!
Pitino is not going to be flying all over the country looking at AAU games. He has assistants for that. He'll be meeting recruits when they come for the bag..I mean official visit.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 23, 2023, 03:25:52 PM
Its really not that risky. This is the best coach they've hired in a generation and if it doesnt work out - they arent worse off than they were a week ago.
Rick Pitino has never left a program worse off than when he arrived.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2023, 03:37:19 PM
Rick Pitino has never left a program worse off than when he arrived.
True. He leaves national championships
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2023, 03:23:57 PM
Still a risky 6 year hire. Not that you can't succeed at that age but I can't imagine that College Coaching lifestyle is easy. Early mornings, late nights, flying all over the country, constant meetings. Not to mention you get to a timeout at the Fiserv (and I assume other arenas in the BE) and the speakers are louder than your thoughts. He's going to have to scream at the top of his lungs at every media timeout in the Big East unlike the MAAC.
A taxing lifestyle. Good thing he's got deep pockets on his side to make it easier for him!
He'll have them competitive year 1. This won't be a heavy lifting rebuild in NIL and instantly eligible transfers.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 22, 2023, 04:12:36 PM
Yeah, the egos can be a real problem, but I said something similar to my daughter when I dropped her off at GU -- in the brand new (at the time) Thompson Athletic Center. I told her, "If it ever bothers you that the basketball team gets preferential treatment or extra benefits, remember that the money they bring in pays for all this."
Except it doesn't.
Hopefully I post this picture right, but walking through Times Square right now, LED board above has SJU welcoming Pitino.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 23, 2023, 04:34:04 PM
Hopefully I post this picture right, but walking through Times Square right now, LED board above has SJU welcoming Pitino.
Virginia Tech would have used a picture of his son.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 23, 2023, 04:24:22 PM
Except it doesn't.
Of course it does. Georgetown is in the Big East because of the MBB and only for that reason. Otherwise, the investment in its athletics department and facilities would be comparable to the Patriot League. Although admittedly I should have been more specific -- there obviously is other money at play beyond what MB pulls in. But that money would not be flowing into the athletics department if not for MBB.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 23, 2023, 06:29:34 PM
Once
Its a shame that we ever gave the ncaa the authority to use memory-wiping devices.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 23, 2023, 06:29:34 PM
Once
Twice. Kentucky and Louisville. Left Providence after a Final 4.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 23, 2023, 12:48:56 PM
Thats really a tough job. Other than the Ralph Willard years inthe 2000s, this program has been rather poor since 1980.
Probably a mistake to decline joining the fledgling Big East in 1979.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2023, 03:23:57 PM
Still a risky 6 year hire. Not that you can't succeed at that age but I can't imagine that College Coaching lifestyle is easy. Early mornings, late nights, flying all over the country, constant meetings. Not to mention you get to a timeout at the Fiserv (and I assume other arenas in the BE) and the speakers are louder than your thoughts. He's going to have to scream at the top of his lungs at every media timeout in the Big East unlike the MAAC.
A taxing lifestyle. Good thing he's got deep pockets on his side to make it easier for him!
Not risky at all for St. John's......complete upside
Final Four
I agree. Love him of hate him, this is a no loss hire for SJU. He will create a high level of interest in the program and likely will build a contender in short order.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2023, 06:34:20 PM
Twice. Kentucky and Louisville. Left Providence after a Final 4.
Out of curiosity, how many gold medals did Ben Johnson win?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 23, 2023, 07:52:01 PM
Out of curiosity, how many gold medals did Ben Johnson win?
Don't know but I know Rick Pitino has two natty's
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2023, 07:53:01 PM
Don't know but I know Rick Pitino has two natty's
...and Elvis is still alive and men never walked on the moon.
Don't know if this was posted elsewhere, but this is a pretty embarrassing look for Providence.
https://twitter.com/iansteeleabc6/status/1639021475809116162?s=46&t=vzpt-zjb3EWbQ_hnQmF3QQ
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 23, 2023, 04:52:12 PM
Of course it does. Georgetown is in the Big East because of the MBB and only for that reason. Otherwise, the investment in its athletics department and facilities would be comparable to the Patriot League. Although admittedly I should have been more specific -- there obviously is other money at play beyond what MB pulls in. But that money would not be flowing into the athletics department if not for MBB.
Uhhhh It's a top notch school with a ton of history and very wealthy donors. MBB is nice for them but it doesn't run the school.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 24, 2023, 06:16:21 AM
Uhhhh It's a top notch school with a ton of history and very wealthy donors. MBB is nice for them but it doesn't run the school.
I never said it did. I said it runs (and funds) the athletics department.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 24, 2023, 12:12:57 AM
Don't know if this was posted elsewhere, but this is a pretty embarrassing look for Providence.
https://twitter.com/iansteeleabc6/status/1639021475809116162?s=46&t=vzpt-zjb3EWbQ_hnQmF3QQ
We can play which is worse? That you didn't realize other Big East teams are competition, or that your search for a new head coach was the CBB equivalent of picking your coach because of the toy pictured on the cereal box?
https://twitter.com/iansteeleabc6/status/1639017912211054596?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 24, 2023, 08:40:17 AM
We can play which is worse? That you didn't realize other Big East teams are competition, or that your search for a new head coach was the CBB equivalent of picking your coach because of the toy pictured on the cereal box?
https://twitter.com/iansteeleabc6/status/1639017912211054596?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
On the flip side, we've seen a lot of uninspired hires from schools paying millions for "consultants".
As I said before, I don't think Kim's resume warrants a Big East job, but maybe he's the next Jay Wright.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 24, 2023, 08:59:30 AM
On the flip side, we've seen a lot of uninspired hires from schools paying millions for "consultants".
As I said before, I don't think Kim's resume warrants a Big East job, but maybe he's the next Jay Wright.
Correction - Wojo was the next Jay wright
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 24, 2023, 08:40:17 AM
We can play which is worse? That you didn't realize other Big East teams are competition, or that your search for a new head coach was the CBB equivalent of picking your coach because of the toy pictured on the cereal box?
https://twitter.com/iansteeleabc6/status/1639017912211054596?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
When this doesn't work out, he should probably lose his job too.
Quote from: panda on March 24, 2023, 09:21:06 AM
Correction - Wojo was the next Jay wright
I'm such an idiot. Thanks for the correction.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 24, 2023, 09:40:31 AM
When this doesn't work out, he should probably lose his job too.
I believe he said as much himself. Got to give him credit for that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 23, 2023, 07:28:06 PM
Probably a mistake to decline joining the fledgling Big East in 1979.
Speaking of 1979, Mike Tranghese was one of the strong recommendations that English get the job at Providence. He of course worked there throughout the 1970's, and, he's been a consultant there in recent years, who lives in the area.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 24, 2023, 10:37:05 AM
Speaking of 1979, Mike Tranghese was one of the strong recommendations that English get the job at Providence. He of course worked there throughout the 1970's, and, he's been a consultant there in recent years, who lives in the area.
Time will tell if they're all geniuses or idiots. #fiveyearstojudge
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 24, 2023, 10:41:26 AM
Time will tell if their all geniuses or idiots. #fiveyearstojudge
Well, if "their" all geniuses, we know that they'll spell "their" "they're".
Not sure if this is old news but it looks like ND is hiring Shrewsberry.
It is old news.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 24, 2023, 08:40:17 AM
We can play which is worse? That you didn't realize other Big East teams are competition, or that your search for a new head coach was the CBB equivalent of picking your coach because of the toy pictured on the cereal box?
https://twitter.com/iansteeleabc6/status/1639017912211054596?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
Wow. Maybe Cooley wanted away after a year with a new AD.
Quote from: lostpassword on March 24, 2023, 02:08:39 PM
Wow. Maybe Cooley wanted away after a year with a new AD.
Their AD's interview certainly checked all the boxes of amateur hour.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 24, 2023, 02:57:51 PM
Their AD's interview certainly checked all the boxes of amateur hour.
Nothing like making you feel appreciated as a new hire. Did they host the interview with English in a parking lot with folding chairs?
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 24, 2023, 02:57:51 PM
Their AD's interview certainly checked all the boxes of amateur hour.
Maybe he has been busy looking for locker space for their LAX teams?
I am ready to invest in English Enterprises. Promising young coach with some experience as a Head Coach.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 24, 2023, 04:03:50 PM
I am ready to invest in English Enterprises. Promising young coach with some experience as a Head Coach.
Oh NO! Nonononono. Cooley and Company was annoying enough. Please stop right now. Scoopers deserve a break from your pseudo names.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 24, 2023, 01:57:21 PM
Well, if "their" all geniuses, we know that they'll spell "their" "they're".
Corrected. Management apologizes for the error.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 24, 2023, 04:03:50 PM
I am ready to invest in English Muffins. Promising young coach with some experience as a Head Coach.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2023, 07:23:56 PM
I think it would be excellent if Herman did not try to come up with any more goofy nicknames for Providence or any other team. Seriously. It's weird.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 25, 2023, 07:50:30 AM
I think it would be excellent if Herman did not try to come up with any more goofy nicknames for Providence or any other team. Seriously. It's weird.
Don't go to the Superbar.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 24, 2023, 04:03:50 PM
I am ready to invest in English Enterprises. Promising young coach with some experience as a Head Coach.
His resume is thinner than thin. Not even much time as an assistant. This is a pretty big leap of faith.
But I'm glad Providence did this given Georgetown and St John's getting their hires right.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 25, 2023, 08:42:48 AM
His resume is thinner than thin. Not even much time as an assistant. This is a pretty big leap of faith.
But I'm glad Providence did this given Georgetown and St John's getting their hires right.
What if I were to tell you that Marquette once hired Belmont Abbey's coach off a 6-18 season... and it worked out well...
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 25, 2023, 09:09:40 AM
What if I were to tell you that Marquette once hired Belmont Abbey's coach off a 6-18 season... and it worked out well...
But wasn't Belmont Abbey in the Big10, and those teams beat each other up during the season.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on March 25, 2023, 09:09:40 AM
What if I were to tell you that Marquette once hired Belmont Abbey's coach off a 6-18 season... and it worked out well...
Thanks for that example when the NCAA Tournament consisted of 25 teams. A tick off 60 years ago.
I'd like to think I learn something new every day.
This week I learned that this iteration of the Big East apparently has no by-law preventing the poaching of a current head coach by another conference school. I understand that college basketball is a cut throat business and that competition is competition. Nonetheless back in 2013 I was kind of moved by that "all for one and one for all" pronouncement advanced by the original members. I would have thought ( naively so) that they would have wanted to insulate themselves from this intra-conference courting. Apparently Cooley and Georgetown had been dating for weeks.
As I said, I learn something new every day.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on March 25, 2023, 05:58:59 PM
Apparently Cooley and Georgetown had been dating for weeks.
As I said, I learn something new every day.
That's par for the course with Cooley. 👀
it doesn't seem but just a few weeks ago, i saw this nice touchy-feely clip on cooley and providence and all the love they have for each other. what coach c has done with the community, the respect, etc etc kiss kiss love love and...he isn't even going to call them in the morning?
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on March 25, 2023, 05:58:59 PM
I'd like to think I learn something new every day.
This week I learned that this iteration of the Big East apparently has no by-law preventing the poaching of a current head coach by another conference school. I understand that college basketball is a cut throat business and that competition is competition. Nonetheless back in 2013 I was kind of moved by that "all for one and one for all" pronouncement advanced by the original members. I would have thought ( naively so) that they would have wanted to insulate themselves from this intra-conference courting. Apparently Cooley and Georgetown had been dating for weeks.
As I said, I learn something new every day.
Yeah, I would have been legitimately surprised if the BE had an actual rule on the books that prohibited, or even discouraged poaching a head coach from another member.
But I still think it more or less existed as an unwritten rule, and that everyone was on board. Not saying it should be that way, because everyone really has to look out for themselves. But it was nice to think that for a while. Can't any more. Oh well.
Put it this way- I was a legit fan of Ed Cooley, but I think a little bit less of him now. And ever since I was a kid (going back to the early 80's), Georgetown was my clear 2nd favorite program. I think a little bit less of them now. Just a little (for both), but still...
On the surface Ed might be really, really good at Georgetown. And I get why they wanted each other. But now I have this weird karma thing that tells me he isn't gonna succeed there.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 25, 2023, 06:07:34 PM
it doesn't seem but just a few weeks ago, i saw this nice touchy-feely clip on cooley and providence and all the love they have for each other. what coach c has done with the community, the respect, etc etc kiss kiss love love and...he isn't even going to call them in the morning?
Nah man, dat wuz all bullchit. Beleave half of watt ewe reed and nothin' of watt ewe heer, hey?
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on March 25, 2023, 05:58:59 PM
I'd like to think I learn something new every day.
This week I learned that this iteration of the Big East apparently has no by-law preventing the poaching of a current head coach by another conference school. I understand that college basketball is a cut throat business and that competition is competition. Nonetheless back in 2013 I was kind of moved by that "all for one and one for all" pronouncement advanced by the original members. I would have thought ( naively so) that they would have wanted to insulate themselves from this intra-conference courting. Apparently Cooley and Georgetown had been dating for weeks.
As I said, I learn something new every day.
That one for all and all for one mentality of the old Big East was a crock. If there really was that mentality, no schools would've ever left the Big East.
Big time college basketball is a big time business and in business you take care of your company/investment etc. Plain and simple.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 23, 2023, 04:52:12 PM
Of course it does. Georgetown is in the Big East because of the MBB and only for that reason. Otherwise, the investment in its athletics department and facilities would be comparable to the Patriot League. Although admittedly I should have been more specific -- there obviously is other money at play beyond what MB pulls in. But that money would not be flowing into the athletics department if not for MBB.
Georgetown devotes significant resources to Big East track, soccer, lacrosse and, although much more is needed, Patriot League football. Football is the second largest line item behind men's basketball and brings in somewhere around $300K a year in revenues.
The downside is that men's basketball consumes a third of the budget, which means the 29 other sports share roughly $29 million to compete.
I couldn't care less if a coach leaves for another school in the conference. He took a better job. Of course Cooley was talking to them for weeks. That's how these things go. You don't negotiate a multi year, multi million dollar contract in the 12 hours after your season ends.
Capitalism.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2023, 06:51:47 PM
I couldn't care less if a coach leaves for another school in the conference. He took a better job. Of course Cooley was talking to them for weeks. That's how these things go. You don't negotiate a multi year, multi million dollar contract in the 12 hours after your season ends.
Time will tell if it's still a good job. I don't see the Georgetown name carrying the same cache as it did even 10 years ago. The landscape has significantly changed and I'll be very curious to see how much Georgetown's reluctance towards NIL changes after Cooley signed up.
I'm also somewhat curious about the motivations from Cooley. He turned down a significant upgrade both in program stature and pay a couple years ago from Michigan only to take over a HEAVY rebuild within the same conference ? I hate to read into the rumor mill too much but I'm wondering about his commitment to the new job given his supposed extramarital activity forced him to leave his hometown beloved PC.
Only time will tell, but I don't think his move is as big of a slam dunk as the media echo chamber makes it seem.
Nothin' changes 'cept da city he coaches in. Dat's da power of da kat, hey?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2023, 10:15:33 PM
Cachet is what you mean
I made a business decision. I thought you charged by the letter...
Quote from: thebigjake on March 25, 2023, 06:07:48 PM
Yeah, I would have been legitimately surprised if the BE had an actual rule on the books that prohibited, or even discouraged poaching a head coach from another member.
But I still think it more or less existed as an unwritten rule, and that everyone was on board. Not saying it should be that way, because everyone really has to look out for themselves. But it was nice to think that for a while. Can't any more. Oh well.
Put it this way- I was a legit fan of Ed Cooley, but I think a little bit less of him now. And ever since I was a kid (going back to the early 80's), Georgetown was my clear 2nd favorite program. I think a little bit less of them now. Just a little (for both), but still...
On the surface Ed might be really, really good at Georgetown. And I get why they wanted each other. But now I have this weird karma thing that tells me he isn't gonna succeed there.
What you're describing is called an antitrust violation.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2023, 06:12:26 PM
Nah man, dat wuz all bullchit. Beleave half of watt ewe reed and nothin' of watt ewe heer, hey?
well, it looked good and probably had lots of people wellin up...now they're wellin up for a different reason. wait till stages 2-3 and 4 hit
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2023, 06:51:47 PM
I couldn't care less if a coach leaves for another school in the conference. He took a better job. Of course Cooley was talking to them for weeks. That's how these things go. You don't negotiate a multi year, multi million dollar contract in the 12 hours after your season ends.
Both things can be true:
1. Georgetown zeroes in on Cooley six weeks before the end of the season, and
2. Cooley said he didn't talk to anyone until the end of the season.
Of course, people would be laughing today if Georgetown had waited to start until after the season and Cooley said no, Shrewsbury was already off to ND, and Georgetown was calling Mike Brey for a second look.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on March 25, 2023, 10:49:49 PM
Both things can be true:
1. Georgetown zeroes in on Cooley six weeks before the end of the season, and
2. Cooley said he didn't talk to anyone until the end of the season.
Of course, people would be laughing today if Georgetown had waited to start until after the season and Cooley said no, Shrewsbury was already off to ND, and Georgetown was calling Mike Brey for a second look.
I see nothing wrong with Georgetown reaching out to Cooley before the season ends. And by "to Cooley" I mean his agent. Cooley knew Georgetown was interested. Georgetown knew Cooley was interested. It's a job search. There's nothing wrong with it. People continue working for their employers while looking for/talking with potential new jobs all the time.
Looks like Texas is doing the right thing and removing the interim title from Rodney Terry. He did a great job in the aftermath of the Beard situation.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on March 27, 2023, 12:04:10 PM
Looks like Texas is doing the right thing and removing the interim title from Rodney Terry. He did a great job in the aftermath of the Beard situation.
He can certainly coach. But, will he be able to recruit ala Beard.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 27, 2023, 12:08:52 PM
He can certainly coach. But, will he be able to recruit ala Beard.
Did Beard recruit or was he able to just pay more for other team's transfers?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 27, 2023, 12:34:17 PM
Did Beard recruit or was he able to just pay more for other team's transfers?
He's a scum bag off the court, but I think he's the real deal as a coach and recruiter. I think Texas would be a powerhouse with him.
I would rather Cooley leave PC for the Hilltop than for Michigan. Let's keep our best coaches in conference.
With this carousel the BE got better, much better.
St John's landed a HOFer
Georgetown got a proven BE coach
PC got a hot up and comer
the BE coaching roster continues to be the best in the nation.
Quote from: The Lens on March 27, 2023, 12:41:35 PM
I would rather Cooley leave PC for the Hilltop than for Michigan. Let's keep our best coaches in conference.
With this carousel the BE got better, much better.
St John's landed a HOFer
Georgetown got a proven BE coach
PC got a hot up and comer
the BE coaching roster continues to be the best in the nation.
Greg Gard alone doesn't put the Big10 in the top spot.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 27, 2023, 12:37:22 PM
He's a scum bag off the court, but I think he's the real deal as a coach and recruiter. I think Texas would be a powerhouse with him.
Yea when people repeatedly win, regardless of level and at "lesser" programs, it sort of establishes that. Even if they play the $$$ game higher along. AKA Pitino as discussed, violations aside he's still someone who could take your 5 and beat his 5. Same with Self early on.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2023, 11:06:40 PM
I see nothing wrong with Georgetown reaching out to Cooley before the season ends. And by "to Cooley" I mean his agent. Cooley knew Georgetown was interested. Georgetown knew Cooley was interested. It's a job search. There's nothing wrong with it. People continue working for their employers while looking for/talking with potential new jobs all the time.
I had a problem with this kind of thing when coaches could do it -- all the while preaching loyalty -- but players couldn't (without facing the specter of having to sit out a season). Now that players have similar freedom ... that's America, baby!
I love the Cooley move. Fun college basketball isn't built on kumbaya conferences where we all like each other. It is built on intense rivalries where teams and their fan bases loathe one another.
The Big East is a great conference but it currently lacks the kinds of rivalries it had when Syracuse and Georgetown were facing off.
It is good for the conference to have teams that hate each other. It builds interest and passion. Maybe this is the start of one of those rivalries between Providence and Georgetown. I welcome it.
Quote from: Coleman on March 27, 2023, 01:57:49 PM
I love the Cooley move. Fun college basketball isn't built on kumbaya conferences where we all like each other. It is built on intense rivalries where teams and their fan bases loathe one another.
The Big East is a great conference but it currently lacks the kinds of rivalries it had when Syracuse and Georgetown were facing off.
It is good for the conference to have teams that hate each other. It builds interest and passion. Maybe this is the start of one of those rivalries between Providence and Georgetown. I welcome it.
sometimes a little hate...is good
Quote from: The Lens on March 27, 2023, 12:41:35 PM
I would rather Cooley leave PC for the Hilltop than for Michigan. Let's keep our best coaches in conference.
With this carousel the BE got better, much better.
St John's landed a HOFer
Georgetown got a proven BE coach
PC got a hot up and comer
the BE coaching roster continues to be the best in the nation.
I agree with this analysis
Quote from: Viper on March 27, 2023, 09:35:11 PM
sometimes a little hate...is good
Like when Bruce Pearl narced on the Illini...
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on March 28, 2023, 12:23:44 PM
Like when Bruce Pearl narced on the Illini...
When I Googled the phrase "Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". Pearl's picture popped up.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 27, 2023, 01:35:07 PM
Yea when people repeatedly win, regardless of level and at "lesser" programs, it sort of establishes that. Even if they play the $$$ game higher along. AKA Pitino as discussed, violations aside he's still someone who could take your 5 and beat his 5. Same with Self early on.
F%$k The sleaze Pitino.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 28, 2023, 06:24:14 PM
He's a born porn winner
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Quote from: pbiflyer on February 24, 2023, 01:53:13 PM
Slackers! Contributing to the worker shortage! ;D
I looked at it as creating an opportunity for someone else.
Kim English played Jayden Pierre one-on-one to decide if he would enter the portal 😂
https://mobile.twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1640902373336924161
You can see why English would be an appealing hire.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 28, 2023, 09:27:40 PM
Kim English played Jayden Pierre one-on-one to decide if he would enter the portal 😂
https://mobile.twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1640902373336924161
You can see why English would be an appealing hire.
I am bullish on English Enterprises .
Did Wojo lose to the Hausers in one on one?
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 28, 2023, 09:50:34 PM
I am bullish on English Enterprises .
Love it. A bit of a Shaka vibe there.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2023, 11:06:40 PM
I see nothing wrong with Georgetown reaching out to Cooley before the season ends. And by "to Cooley" I mean his agent. Cooley knew Georgetown was interested. Georgetown knew Cooley was interested. It's a job search. There's nothing wrong with it. People continue working for their employers while looking for/talking with potential new jobs all the time.
...unless its Crean or Buzz.
Looks like Mike Rhoades to PSU?
Hilarious line from the ESPN story:
Rhoades was making nearly $1.7 million at VCU and is expected to be able to nearly double that at Penn State. His hire there would be yet another reminder of how the Big Ten and SEC are pulling away from the rest of the college sports landscape because of how much more lucrative their television contracts are.
Didn't the Big10 just lose a coach to the ACC?
Why Shrewsberry left Penn St.:
Falling apart: How Penn State, Micah Shrewsberry unwound (https://www.on3.com/teams/penn-state-nittany-lions/news/falling-apart-how-penn-state-micah-shrewsberry-unwound/)
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 29, 2023, 08:51:33 AM
Looks like Mike Rhoades to PSU?
Hilarious line from the ESPN story:
Rhoades was making nearly $1.7 million at VCU and is expected to be able to nearly double that at Penn State. His hire there would be yet another reminder of how the Big Ten and SEC are pulling away from the rest of the college sports landscape because of how much more lucrative their television contracts are.
Didn't the Big10 just lose a coach to the ACC?
Good point. But I could guess you could say ND is an ACC member like someone is a practicing Catholic who attends Christmas and Easter mass only. And, I think ND's finances are stronger than your average ACC member due to their own TV deal.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 28, 2023, 10:03:54 PM
Did Wojo lose to the Hausers in one on one?
It was a coach-off, and Wojo lost
Mark Madsen to Cal. Done a nice job at Utah Valley and he's from the Bay Area. Seems a fairly natural fit. Stanford has to be kicking themselves. They've been holding on to a lame duck coach for years and now their rival steals a former Stanford legend who would have ran barefoot to Palo Alto from Utah to take the job if offered. I assume they thought they would have another year and get Madsen next spring and avoid extra buyout costs?
Temple offered its head coaching position to Dennis Gates assistant, CY Young. Then the University President at Temple resigned, so he withdrew his name from consideration:
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1641138351045476370?s=46&t=qU9HCRDsU6a7_h1-MiX2GQ
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1641151029365309453?s=46&t=qU9HCRDsU6a7_h1-MiX2GQ
Temple is deep into the weeds in its search.
🚨 🚨 🚨 Utah State job now open 🚨 🚨 🚨
We know what that could mean...
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 29, 2023, 03:57:07 PM
🚨 🚨 🚨 Utah State job now open 🚨 🚨 🚨
We know what that could mean...
Stan Johnson is getting a new gig
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2023, 04:01:49 PM
Stan Johnson is getting a new gig
I was thinking soft landing spot for Buzz after A&M happy-messed, but I like where you're head's at.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 29, 2023, 04:18:33 PM
I was thinking soft landing spot for Buzz after A&M happy-messed, but I like where you're head's at.
Going to be high expectations in Aggieland next year. Buzz loves having expectations
Wojo to Utah State.
Wojo name mentioned in this article on possible Utah State coaches
https://www.ksl.com/article/50615383/can-utah-state-hoops-make-the-right-head-coaching-hire-to-maintain-its-winning-ways
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 29, 2023, 03:57:07 PM
🚨 🚨 🚨 Utah State job now open 🚨 🚨 🚨
We know what that could mean...
Legendary coach Stew Morrill is coming back and scoopers will once again be afraid to play Utah State in the first round?
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 06, 2023, 08:28:24 AM
Legendary coach Stew Morrill is coming back and scoopers will once again be afraid to play Utah State in the first round?
Seems like there was reason to be afraid to play them in the first round. We trailed with 2 minutes left and won by 1.
Utah State is a blue blood
of the MWC
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 06, 2023, 06:28:03 AM
Wojo name mentioned in this article on possible Utah State coaches
https://www.ksl.com/article/50615383/can-utah-state-hoops-make-the-right-head-coaching-hire-to-maintain-its-winning-ways
Stan Johnson also mentioned by some outlets, probably due to his Utah connections. Would certainly be interesting if he got the job over Wojo, although I don't think there's actual interest from Wojo. I think he'll live the sweet mountain man/yogi life for a few more years and then latch back on as an assistant at a big program, probably with Scheyer.
Quote from: Skip Intro on April 06, 2023, 10:07:53 AM
Stan Johnson also mentioned by some outlets, probably due to his Utah connections. Would certainly be interesting if he got the job over Wojo, although I don't think there's actual interest from Wojo. I think he'll live the sweet mountain man/yogi life for a few more years and then latch back on as an assistant at a big program, probably with Scheyer.
This is the first job mentioned with Wojo's name attached and it's only because he lives in Utah now?
Something tells me he's not dying to get back into coaching.
A summary of all the coaching changes . Only 4 minor jobs still yet to be filled
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-coaching-changes-2023-texas-georgetown-syracuse-st-johns-lead-jobs-filled/amp/
Quote from: panda on April 06, 2023, 10:50:47 AMThis is the first job mentioned with Wojo's name attached and it's only because he lives in Utah now?
Not because he lives in Utah, but because he reached out to Utah State to say he was interested.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 09, 2023, 08:08:05 PM
Not because he lives in Utah, but because he reached out to Utah State to say he was interested.
Really ?
Quote from: panda on April 10, 2023, 10:49:30 AM
Really ?
Yes, at least according to this guy who was tweet covering the USU search.
https://twitter.com/fishaggie/status/1641195089350344706?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
Says Wojo was the one who expressed interest, but didn't know if that interest was mutual.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 10, 2023, 01:26:20 PM
Yes, at least according to this guy who was tweet covering the USU search.
https://twitter.com/fishaggie/status/1641195089350344706?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
Says Wojo was the one who expressed interest, but didn't know if that interest was mutual.
Ouch.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 10, 2023, 01:26:20 PM
Yes, at least according to this guy who was tweet covering the USU search.
https://twitter.com/fishaggie/status/1641195089350344706?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
Says Wojo was the one who expressed interest, but didn't know if that interest was mutual.
Given the hires they've made since stew, I'd imagine the phone call with Wojo went quite short.
Quote from: panda on April 10, 2023, 08:11:00 PM
Given the hires they've made since stew, I'd imagine the phone call with Wojo went quite short.
They should hire Wojo and in 30 years he may be the new Stew.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 10, 2023, 10:59:35 PM
They should hire Wojo and in 30 years he may be the new Stew.
I think deep down we all figured Wojo's post MU career would be following a legend.
Mike Brey going to Atlanta Hawks to be assistant for Quin Snyder
"Stew Morrill" is up there with "Dime a dozen point guard" in MU message board lore.
Gard extended until 2028
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 21, 2023, 04:47:35 PM
Gard extended until 2028
I'd assume it's easier to buy him out now. But if they somehow made it more expensive to buy him out, I love it.
;D
I guess Gard extension necessary for recruiting
https://journaltimes.com/sports/college/hockey/these-wisconsin-coaches-got-contract-extensions-from-the-athletic-board/article_746fd1d1-9893-529b-abcb-c07b2a617644.html
WVU might be in the market for a new head coach sooner than they thought. Yikes.
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1655670978381226001
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1655670978381226001?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
West Virginia about to open up.
Wonder if Jose Perez is available.
Quote from: Its DJOver on May 08, 2023, 03:43:43 PM
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1655670978381226001?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
West Virginia about to open up.
Maybe he's auditioning to take over for Tucker?
Oh, Bobby.
Quote from: Its DJOver on May 08, 2023, 03:43:43 PM
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1655670978381226001?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
West Virginia about to open up.
Imagine doubling down within 5 seconds.
Wojo to WVU! They may need an eagle scout.
https://twitter.com/ethanbock_/status/1655684808066887681?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
The fact that it took this long to issue a statement is not exactly a great look either.
"Bob Huggins was just in the wrong place, at the wrong time."
-Nate Oats, probably
Guessing this won't be enough to take out Huggins.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on May 08, 2023, 04:46:57 PM
Guessing this won't be enough to take out Huggins.
In 2023, it definitely will be.
The word "slur" is overused. He's talking about guys throwing dildos on the court. What is he supposed to call them?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
The word "slur" is overused. He's talking about guys throwing dildos on the court. What is he supposed to call them?
Stinky bait.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
The word "slur" is overused. He's talking about guys throwing dildos on the court. What is he supposed to call them?
Homos
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
The word "slur" is overused. He's talking about guys throwing dildos on the court. What is he supposed to call them?
Well, he was probably drunk, so "slur" is what he was doing.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
The word "slur" is overused. He's talking about guys throwing dildos on the court. What is he supposed to call them?
This is supposed to be teal...right?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
The word "slur" is overused. He's talking about guys throwing dildos on the court. What is he supposed to call them?
Teal? I hope.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
The word "slur" is overused. He's talking about guys throwing dildos on the court. What is he supposed to call them?
Evangelicals
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 08, 2023, 06:28:01 PM
Evangelicals
He'd be gone by now if he said Muslims or Jews instead of Catholics.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
The word "slur" is overused. He's talking about guys throwing dildos on the court. What is he supposed to call them?
dick heads
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
The word "slur" is overused. He's talking about guys throwing dildos on the court. What is he supposed to call them?
Dildos
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
The word "slur" is overused. He's talking about guys throwing dildos on the court. What is he supposed to call them?
PRNs.
Given this post and your other post in the thread about the same subject, I feel confident in saying we have at least one poster who regularly uses the same term Huggy did.
Quote from: withoutbias on May 08, 2023, 09:04:19 PM
PRNs.
Given this post and your other post in the thread about the same subject, I feel confident in saying we have at least one poster who regularly uses the same term Huggy did.
Of course I've used that term. I'll bet 90 percent of this board has, albeit not on the radio. I don't use it regularly. In fact, I'm not sure I've used it in years and I don't plan to. But it's not a "slur." It's slang, I guess. Derogatory, sure. It ain't the N word, that's for damn sure!!
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 09:44:17 PM
Of course I've used that term. I'll bet 90 percent of this board has, albeit not on the radio. I don't use it regularly. In fact, I'm not sure I've used it in years and I don't plan to. But it's not a "slur." It's slang, I guess. Derogatory, sure. It ain't the N word, that's for damn sure!!
Yes, used it when we were dumb, immature idiots. It was embarrassing then and it was never okay.
It's not slang at all. It's absolutely a homophobic slur.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 08, 2023, 06:32:00 PM
He'd be gone by now if he said Muslims or Jews instead of Catholics.
He'd have been elected to the U.S. House.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 09:44:17 PM
Of course I've used that term. I'll bet 90 percent of this board has, albeit not on the radio. I don't use it regularly. In fact, I'm not sure I've used it in years and I don't plan to. But it's not a "slur." It's slang, I guess. Derogatory, sure. It ain't the N word, that's for damn sure!!
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Quote from: lawdog77 on May 08, 2023, 05:59:22 PM
Well, he was probably drunk, so "slur" is what he was doing.
Too many Bud Lights I would expect.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 09, 2023, 05:27:38 AM
Too many Bud Lights I would expect.
I dunno about that. Bud Light is pretty inclusive. Huggy might not be so inclusive
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 09:44:17 PM
Of course I've used that term. I'll bet 90 percent of this board has, albeit not on the radio. I don't use it regularly. In fact, I'm not sure I've used it in years and I don't plan to. But it's not a "slur." It's slang, I guess. Derogatory, sure. It ain't the N word, that's for damn sure!!
So it's not a "slur," its "slang that's derogatory." ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 09, 2023, 07:51:40 AM
So it's not a "slur," its "slang that's derogatory." ::) ::) ::)
I dislike the PC bull crap, but even I agree it is a slur. Especially the way Huggy used it.
Yeah, it is literally a slur: "an insulting or derogatory word term applied to a particular group of people."
Why people would even try to minimize this is amazing.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 09, 2023, 08:33:53 AM
Yeah, it is literally a slur: "an insulting or derogatory word term applied to a particular group of people."
Why people would even try to minimize this is amazing.
Amazing? Come on, Sultan, are you actually surprised at all that some people would try to minimize this?
Yes
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 08, 2023, 09:44:17 PM
Of course I've used that term. I'll bet 90 percent of this board has, albeit not on the radio. I don't use it regularly. In fact, I'm not sure I've used it in years and I don't plan to. But it's not a "slur." It's slang, I guess. Derogatory, sure. It ain't the N word, that's for damn sure!!
Is this really a hill you want to die on?
Quote from: Coleman on May 09, 2023, 09:40:37 AM
Is this really a hill you want to die on?
Seems a very strange choice. That said, I have to admit that I'm curious about how PRN defines "slur" and how he defines "[derogatory] slang."
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 08, 2023, 06:32:00 PM
He'd be gone by now if he said Muslims or Jews instead of Catholics.
Or elected to Congress.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 09, 2023, 11:07:56 AM
Or elected to Congress.
Nads already used that "joke" on the last page.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 09, 2023, 11:40:14 AM
Nads already used that "joke" on the last page.
It's funny because it's true.
And hat tip to 82, of course.
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Oh Congress...like the kinder and gentler words of Tlaib, AOC, and Omar, hey?
In before the lock?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 09, 2023, 12:03:54 PM
Oh Congress...like the kinder and gentler words for Tlaib, AOC, and Omar, hey?
Delete your account.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 08, 2023, 04:02:25 PM
Wonder if Jose Perez is available.
This is Jose Perez what 4th or 5th school and each time it ends with the coach getting canned.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 09, 2023, 01:40:40 PM
This is Jose Perez what 4th or 5th school and each time it ends with the coach getting canned.
Hope it works again. Then DePaul should see if they can get another year for Perez somehow. Blue would be blue after getting canned.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 link=topic=64234.msg1550260#msg1550260 date=
This is Jose Perez what 4th or 5th school and each time it ends with the coach getting canned.
Tim Craft of Gardner Webb wasn't fired.
https://twitter.com/JHretz76/status/1655660638780153856?s=20
Bob Huggins has entered the transfer portal. He is currently receiving interest from Liberty University.
Quote from: pbiflyer on May 09, 2023, 02:19:06 PM
https://twitter.com/JHretz76/status/1655660638780153856?s=20
Bob Huggins has entered the transfer portal. He is currently receiving interest from Liberty University.
Living only about an hour North of Liberty, I can assure you that you really nailed it. Holier than thou, Bigoted in many ways-race, gays, Catholics, Jews, politically and socially- Huggy would fit right in along with Gordon Gee. Oh wait, wait! No LDSs need apply.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on May 09, 2023, 02:36:28 PM
Living only about an hour North of Liberty, I can assure you that you really nailed it. Holier than thou, Bigoted in many ways-race, gays, Catholics, Jews, politically and socially- Huggy would fit right in along with Gordon Gee. Oh wait, wait! No LDSs need apply.
...based on what you say, sounds like Huggie would fit in here too, hey.
Charlotte (formerly known at UNC-Charlotte) coach Ron Sanchez quit to return to Virginia, where he will be Bennett's associate head coach; he had been an assistant at UVa when Charlotte hired him in 2018.
"This is a bittersweet day for me and my family as I step down to pursue other opportunities," Sanchez said in a news release. "It has been a tremendous privilege to lead the 49ers basketball program over the past five years and I want to thank Niner Nation for its support."
There isn't much of a Niner Nation. Fan support is very low, not just for the basketball team but for all the school's sports. One of the many things that make the basketball and football coaching jobs there pretty unattractive.
Quote from: MU82 on June 06, 2023, 01:20:47 PM
Charlotte (formerly known at UNC-Charlotte) coach Ron Sanchez quit to return to Virginia, where he will be Bennett's associate head coach; he had been an assistant at UVa when Charlotte hired him in 2018.
"This is a bittersweet day for me and my family as I step down to pursue other opportunities," Sanchez said in a news release. "It has been a tremendous privilege to lead the 49ers basketball program over the past five years and I want to thank Niner Nation for its support."
There isn't much of a Niner Nation. Fan support is very low, not just for the basketball team but for all the school's sports. One of the many things that make the basketball and football coaching jobs there pretty unattractive.
Bring back Bobby Lutz.........
Bizarre timing on this one.
Seeing Lundy's name out there already. Would suck for UWM if that were to happen.
Quote from: MUfan12 on June 06, 2023, 01:35:20 PM
Bizarre timing on this one.
Seeing Lundy's name out there already. Would suck for UWM if that were to happen.
I would actually think UWM is a more attractive job that Charlotte....
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 06, 2023, 01:41:15 PM
I would actually think UWM is a more attractive job that Charlotte....
UWM has always had potential to be a great job. But there's little investment and total apathy among students and alums.
With their move to the American I'd have to think the resources would be better at Charlotte.
Quote from: MUfan12 on June 06, 2023, 01:35:20 PM
Bizarre timing on this one.
Seeing Lundy's name out there already. Would suck for UWM if that were to happen.
Wojo jumped too early?
Quote from: MUfan12 on June 06, 2023, 01:43:09 PM
UWM has always had potential to be a great job. But there's little investment and total apathy among students and alums.
Doesn't sound like a lot of potential to me.
Quote from: MU82 on June 06, 2023, 01:20:47 PM
Charlotte (formerly known at UNC-Charlotte) coach Ron Sanchez quit to return to Virginia, where he will be Bennett's associate head coach; he had been an assistant at UVa when Charlotte hired him in 2018.
"This is a bittersweet day for me and my family as I step down to pursue other opportunities," Sanchez said in a news release. "It has been a tremendous privilege to lead the 49ers basketball program over the past five years and I want to thank Niner Nation for its support."
There isn't much of a Niner Nation. Fan support is very low, not just for the basketball team but for all the school's sports. One of the many things that make the basketball and football coaching jobs there pretty unattractive.
I didn't even know Charlotte has a football team. With an enrollment of 29,000 and an attendance of around 2-3K for basketball, that has to be one of the worst student to attendance ratios in D-1.
I would be curious to see which other schools have that bad of a ratio (not curious enough to do the work myself).
Edit: Looked up IUPUI for sh!ts and giggles. Enrollment is around 29K, and their last home game had 775 people.
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 06, 2023, 03:52:27 PM
I didn't even know Charlotte has a football team. With an enrollment of 29,000 and an attendance of around 2-3K for basketball, that has to be one of the worst student to attendance ratios in D-1.
I would be curious to see which other schools have that bad of a ratio (not curious enough to do the work myself).
I doubt Charlotte's is even top 20. For instance, UTSA has an enrollment of 34,000, but averages only 873 a game. UC Davis enrolls 40,000 and has 730 for basketball games. That's just a quick glance...
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 06, 2023, 03:52:27 PM
I didn't even know Charlotte has a football team. With an enrollment of 29,000 and an attendance of around 2-3K for basketball, that has to be one of the worst student to attendance ratios in D-1.
I would be curious to see which other schools have that bad of a ratio (not curious enough to do the work myself).
Edit: Looked up IUPUI for sh!ts and giggles. Enrollment is around 29K, and their last home game had 775 people.
UNCC started a football program about 7-8 years ago. To be kind, it has "struggled." They built a really nice-looking stadium that holds 15K or so but after the first year it was open it's not exactly been packed for games. Appalachian State, up in Boone two hours north, is a much better program and tougher ticket to get.
Basketball has been lousy here for years and years. It's really a non-entity on the local sports scene.
Well it looks like former MU assistant and current Toledo HC Tod Kowalczyk is getting the Charlotte gig. He's gone from Green Bay to Toledo to Charlotte, having coached 21 seasons, but never getting to the NCAAs. He's made the post-season nine times. 0-5 in the NIT. 1-3 in the CBI. 1-1 in the CIT.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 14, 2023, 11:46:19 AM
Well it looks like former MU assistant and current Toledo HC Tod Kowalczyk is getting the Charlotte gig. He's gone from Green Bay to Toledo to Charlotte, having coached 21 seasons, but never getting to the NCAAs. He's made the post-season nine times. 0-5 in the NIT. 1-3 in the CBI. 1-1 in the CIT.
I remember he tried to recruit Zaire Wade early on, but couldn't make the sale. At least in Charlotte he can sell the overall city as an appealing place for young people.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 14, 2023, 11:46:19 AM
Well it looks like former MU assistant and current Toledo HC Tod Kowalczyk is getting the Charlotte gig. He's gone from Green Bay to Toledo to Charlotte, having coached 21 seasons, but never getting to the NCAAs. He's made the post-season nine times. 0-5 in the NIT. 1-3 in the CBI. 1-1 in the CIT.
Honestly, good for Kowalczyk if so. Toledo has been the clear consistent best team in the MAC the last 5-6 years. Struggled in the conference tourney and the NIT, but march through the regular season every year. He was never gonna be a high major guy, so this is a nice step up. Assuming he gets a nice pay bump as he goes into a non-one bid conference, probably his last chance to move up given he's in his mid/late 50s. If he missed a class or two and Toledo stunk for a few years, he'd probably be DOA for better opportunities at this point.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 14, 2023, 05:42:45 PM
Honestly, good for Kowalczyk if so. Toledo has been the clear consistent best team in the MAC the last 5-6 years. Struggled in the conference tourney and the NIT, but march through the regular season every year. He was never gonna be a high major guy, so this is a nice step up. Assuming he gets a nice pay bump as he goes into a non-one bid conference, probably his last chance to move up given he's in his mid/late 50s. If he missed a class or two and Toledo stunk for a few years, he'd probably be DOA for better opportunities at this point.
Completely agree on all points.
Huggins just arrested for DUI. That should be the final straw.
Wojo to WV
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1670098802508742660?cxt=HHwWiIC29eSAsa0uAAAA
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 17, 2023, 10:00:09 AM
Wojo to WV
You kid, but Wojo might be the guy you should hire after parting ways with a drunk, controversial, pretty boy. He will repair the reputation of the program.
Then dump in three years for a coach who actually, uh, knows how to coach.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on June 17, 2023, 04:19:11 PM
You kid, but Wojo might be the guy you should hire after parting ways with a drunk, controversial, pretty boy. He will repair the reputation of the program.
Then dump in three years for a coach who actually, uh, knows how to coach.
Fits right in
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Quote from: GB Warrior on June 17, 2023, 05:10:03 PM
Fits right in
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzOTVHiaG-n6KQsq6LbVQlW1IrUTsuB7kQYA&usqp=CAU)
Is that a cup of moonshine?
Quote from: SaveOD238 on June 17, 2023, 04:19:11 PM
You kid, but Wojo might be the guy you should hire after parting ways with a drunk, controversial, pretty boy. He will repair the reputation of the program.
Then dump in three years for a coach who actually, uh, knows how to coach.
I am pretty sure this is first time in life some one called Bob Huggins a "pretty boy"
Quote from: PointWarrior on June 17, 2023, 07:12:31 PM
I am pretty sure this is first time in life some called Bob Huggins a "pretty boy"
Shhh! That comment was making me feel real good about myself. ;D
Huggins resigns. Guessing they'll go interim and launch a full search as the season goes on.
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1670239054909014017?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 17, 2023, 09:07:45 PM
Huggins resigns. Guessing they'll go interim and launch a full search as the season goes on.
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1670239054909014017?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
We thinking Mazzullla if the Celtics get off to a slow start?
ESPN saying West Virginia AD does not want interim coach
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/37873978/how-bob-huggins-career-west-virginia-ended-next
Dick Vitale promoting Crean for Interim Coach at West Virginia.
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/06/18/dick-vitale-floats-tom-crean-potential-bob-huggins-replacement-west-virginia-basketball
If we're talking former MU guys for WVU, it has to be Buzz, right? He'd fit in there like a glove...
Stephen F Austin is searching for a new assistant bowling coach.
This is one of the craziest stories I've ever read.
An assistant bowling coach at Stephen F. Austin resigned after getting caught in an affair with a player.
His wife is the head coach.
And his quotes are *wild*, why would you say any of that out loud?
https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/1671330541726056450?s=20
(Love the headlines) - https://lufkindailynews.com/news/community/spare-relationship-causes-awkward-split/article_fb8f6ae4-0fbc-11ee-8ecf-ff57d9685d28.html
Spare relationship causes awkward split
SFA assistant bowling coach out after affair with athlete
Stephen F. Austin State University assistant bowling coach Steve Lemke chose to resign rather than be fired this spring after the university discovered he had an affair with a student-athlete.
Lemke, 38, who is married to head coach Amber Lemke, resigned April 10 from the program he helped coach to two national titles and two second-place finishes.
Aware of something similar that happened in a program not too far from my neck of the woods, assistant coach had an affair with a player. Still has a job in college athletics at a different school.
Good startin' spot fore T-cubed or Woj ta resurrect da program, aina?
Good lord, those quotes from Lemke are certainly 😱
Straight out tha gutta
PS - last Friday I bowled 9 games. I need a new bowling ball - what should I get?
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 21, 2023, 10:49:27 AM
Straight out tha gutta
PS - last Friday I bowled 9 games. I need a new bowling ball - what should I get?
A new hobby.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 21, 2023, 10:49:27 AM
Straight out tha gutta
PS - last Friday I bowled 9 games. I need a new bowling ball - what should I get?
A life
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 21, 2023, 10:49:27 AM
Straight out tha gutta
PS - last Friday I bowled 9 games. I need a new bowling ball - what should I get?
Brazilian
Josh Eilert goes from Director of Basketball Operations a year ago to head coach at West Virginia. Bit of a step up there.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 21, 2023, 10:49:27 AM
Straight out tha gutta
PS - last Friday I bowled 9 games. I need a new bowling ball - what should I get?
Hammer Ocean Vibe
Quote from: wadesworld on June 26, 2023, 05:08:00 PM
Josh Eilert goes from Director of Basketball Operations a year ago to head coach at West Virginia. Bit of a step up there.
It seems that they were trying to keep together any pieces of the team that they could this season, and even asked the players who they'd stay for. It obviously worked with Kerr Kriisa. If Ron Everhart stays on (which he said he's hoping to do), Eilert will have an assistant with 18 years of head coaching experience beside him, and one who also has an existing relationship with the players.
Not saying they'll be good this season, but I think they'd be a lot worse going in any other direction right now. It'll be interesting to see what Eilert can do with this opportunity - if they surprise everyone and make the tourney, does WVU basically have to hire him permanently (a la Gard)? Best case for WVU is that they do decently enough to stay out of the media, but not so well that they can't feel free to go after bigger names at HC.
Huggie wants his job back
https://www.si.com/college/cincinnati/news/bob-huggins-demands-job-back-plans-to-sue-west-virginia-university
LOLLLL ...
If his lawyer's letter is accurate, he never resigned. His wife resigned for him via a text message to the associate AD.
Anyway I think it's obvious he won't coach again, but he wants his buy-out. Which is fair.
Maybe he was too drunk to remember he resigned.
Quote from: MU82 on July 09, 2023, 07:57:32 AM
Maybe he was too drunk to remember he resigned.
Or maybe he drunk texted that he didn't resign.
His wife texted for him ? Yah. Ok ...
Maybe he's still drunk, and thus can't keep his stories straight
Quote from: Mu8891 on July 09, 2023, 08:17:13 AM
His wife texted for him ? Yah. Ok ...
Maybe he's still drunk, and thus can't keep his stories straight
Did you read what the lawyer wrote? Again, if that is accurate, he did not resign by the methods outlined in the contract. (Basically "in writing.")
Just my guess, but I bet that he agreed to resign but not officially until they agreed upon a buy out, and they can't come to an agreement on that. So he is just going to assert that he is still coach because legally that's his best option.
Needless to say Huggy is burning the small bridge he has with WV to the ground. He will be persona non grata at that school for ever. Sad to see him double down on his mistakes but these are his choices.
The problem is they never fired him for cause. They claimed he resigned, but apparently didn't legally do so.
So he wants his cash. Which they should have just given him in the first place, or at least negotiated most of it, given he was on a year to year contract after the radio incident.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on July 09, 2023, 09:37:54 AM
The problem is they never fired him for cause. They claimed he resigned, but apparently didn't legally do so.
So he wants his cash. Which they should have just given him in the first place, or at least negotiated most of it, given he was on a year to year contract after the radio incident.
No, but if he's going to fight it, I'm sure they could. Most likely, they had a conversation that included resignation talk but he never submitted the actual paperwork. So when it came to paying out the contract, WVU operated under the "he texted us and told us he was done" while Huggins operated under the "pay me all my money" premise and when they didn't, his lawyer dug into the contract for a loophole, and here we are.
I just think it gets real tenuous if Huggs tries to fight this. I have to imagine there's language in his contract about drinking and driving.
And in the end, the attorneys always win, amirite?
Quote from: DoctorV on July 09, 2023, 11:08:49 AM
And in the end, the attorneys always win, amirite?
YES
Don't coaching contracts have clauses allowing schools to fire them for horrible behavior, freeing them from all financial obligations? If not, why the hell not?
Quote from: MU82 on July 09, 2023, 11:30:46 AM
Don't coaching contracts have clauses allowing schools to fire them for horrible behavior, freeing them from all financial obligations? If not, why the hell not?
Too bad the coaching contracts do not have clauses allowing schools to fire them for horrible game coaching. Our nightmare could have ended much sooner.
One thing about Huggy that is indisputable- he's not boring.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 09, 2023, 09:26:06 AM
Needless to say Huggy is burning the small bridge he has with WV to the ground. He will be persona non grata at that school for ever. Sad to see him double down on his mistakes but these are his choices.
I don't agree with this. He's pretty universally loved there and took the BB team to the first FF in 60 years and more S16s than the entire prior history of the program combined. People will forget about a contractual disagreement in a few years, especially since I imagine he will stay around Morgantown and be his jovial self for the next decade. Its not like he had a contract dispute and will pop up as the coach of Pitt or Marshall in the next year or two.
'Yea but' ing his resignation feels like a bridge burned
The drunk is getting pretty embarrassing.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 09, 2023, 10:57:37 PM
I don't agree with this. He's pretty universally loved there and took the BB team to the first FF in 60 years and more S16s than the entire prior history of the program combined. People will forget about a contractual disagreement in a few years, especially since I imagine he will stay around Morgantown and be his jovial self for the next decade. Its not like he had a contract dispute and will pop up as the coach of Pitt or Marshall in the next year or two.
I was referring to the University and administration since he has called out them and and his wife as liars. The few statements from the University seem very terse and refute Huggins claims with vigor. Huggins' public claims are indicative of someone who has zero desire to actually work at WV and he is going full scorched earth on this to get his money. I also believe he has thrown his own lawyer under the bus or at least changed representation recently. (he's acting like someone who is drunk)
I agree the fans could look past all this and think of him fondly.
I enjoyed the WV drunk more when our guy was dancing on the WV logo!
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 11, 2023, 08:30:21 AM
I was referring to the University and administration since he has called out them and and his wife as liars. The few statements from the University seem very terse and refute Huggins claims with vigor. Huggins' public claims are indicative of someone who has zero desire to actually work at WV and he is going full scorched earth on this to get his money. I also believe he has thrown his own lawyer under the bus or at least changed representation recently. (he's acting like someone who is drunk)
I agree the fans could look past all this and think of him fondly.
Is he really acting like someone who is drunk? Or is it just shrewd business on his part?
Consider that this may have been a matter of a new lawyer pointing out that he left money on the table via his hasty (and apparently invalid) resignation.
a) Why wouldn't you at least try this approach? Especially if your new lawyer is working on contingency? If you contract says you have to submit a resignation in writing, and you never signed anything, then it seems like you have a valid argument that you haven't officially resigned.
b) Why wouldn't you fire the original legal team that allowed you to "resign" by email or text message without actually reading what your contract says? You're not "throwing them under the bus." You're bringing on a new lawyer because the former one is apparently incompetent enough to not know the terms of your employment contract.
To me, the WVU administration is in damage control mode. They seem like they were in a rush to go public with a resignation announcement despite not actually having secured Huggins' resignation in writing as required by his contract.
When they received Huggins' wife's social media message the proper response should have been "We'll be over in a few minutes with a document for Bob to sign." Note they're NOT saying: "We have Bob Huggins' written and signed resignation letter in full compliance with his contract."
Quote from: The Equalizer on July 11, 2023, 12:47:56 PM
Is he really acting like someone who is drunk? Or is it just shrewd business on his part?
Consider that this may have been a matter of a new lawyer pointing out that he left money on the table via his hasty (and apparently invalid) resignation.
a) Why wouldn't you at least try this approach? Especially if your new lawyer is working on contingency? If you contract says you have to submit a resignation in writing, and you never signed anything, then it seems like you have a valid argument that you haven't officially resigned.
b) Why wouldn't you fire the original legal team that allowed you to "resign" by email or text message without actually reading what your contract says? You're not "throwing them under the bus." You're bringing on a new lawyer because the former one is apparently incompetent enough to not know the terms of your employment contract.
To me, the WVU administration is in damage control mode. They seem like they were in a rush to go public with a resignation announcement despite not actually having secured Huggins' resignation in writing as required by his contract.
When they received Huggins' wife's social media message the proper response should have been "We'll be over in a few minutes with a document for Bob to sign." Note they're NOT saying: "We have Bob Huggins' written and signed resignation letter in full compliance with his contract."
West Virginia's response. It's pretty clear that Huggins resigned if this is accurate.
https://twitter.com/ethanbock_/status/1678542795785502720?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: The Equalizer on July 11, 2023, 12:47:56 PM
Is he really acting like someone who is drunk? Or is it just shrewd business on his part?
Consider that this may have been a matter of a new lawyer pointing out that he left money on the table via his hasty (and apparently invalid) resignation.
a) Why wouldn't you at least try this approach? Especially if your new lawyer is working on contingency? If you contract says you have to submit a resignation in writing, and you never signed anything, then it seems like you have a valid argument that you haven't officially resigned.
b) Why wouldn't you fire the original legal team that allowed you to "resign" by email or text message without actually reading what your contract says? You're not "throwing them under the bus." You're bringing on a new lawyer because the former one is apparently incompetent enough to not know the terms of your employment contract.
To me, the WVU administration is in damage control mode. They seem like they were in a rush to go public with a resignation announcement despite not actually having secured Huggins' resignation in writing as required by his contract.
When they received Huggins' wife's social media message the proper response should have been "We'll be over in a few minutes with a document for Bob to sign." Note they're NOT saying: "We have Bob Huggins' written and signed resignation letter in full compliance with his contract."
The 'drunk' comment was to a joke. Should have used teal.
I don't think his wife resigned over social media. The report that it initially came from a text.
I don't have any problem with him fighting and spinning (or not) the truth. It is his right. My point was going scorched earth on WVU and his wife's reputation is not going to endear him the the University.
Truth be told, I want him to continue on this crazy ass ride, I want him to trash his daughter, lawyers and players too, it is good theater since I don't care about Huggins or WVU.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on July 11, 2023, 12:49:59 PM
West Virginia's response. It's pretty clear that Huggins resigned if this is accurate.
https://twitter.com/ethanbock_/status/1678542795785502720?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Per this his resignation was sent via his wife's email because Huggy doesn't have an email account. It wasn't sent via text or social media.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on July 11, 2023, 12:49:59 PM
West Virginia's response. It's pretty clear that Huggins resigned if this is accurate.
https://twitter.com/ethanbock_/status/1678542795785502720?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Sure it's clear to a "reasonable person", but honestly that's a pretty weak attempt by the GC to invalidate what is written in the employment agreement. I'm guessing Huggy gets his money.