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Title: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 23, 2013, 08:17:26 AM
I've been here for five years and this is by far the worse season on scoop ever.  Yes most of the comments here (or any message board) are by people that don't know what they are talking about, but in past seasons they used to be interspersed with knowledgeable commentators.  Today the only reasonable/knowledgeable comments come from Paint Touches and the occasional post, which is getting impossible to find.  The rest of the caterwauling about Jake Thomas hitting threes or benching Derick Wilson is just embarrassing.

How to fix it?  I might suggest that the posters consider making everyone put their name and email in the profile.  It's a lot harder to make idiotic comments when everyone knows who you are.

The beginning of the end was when BMA725 left.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 23, 2013, 08:19:39 AM
That won't stop people from using a fake name or email address.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: frozena pizza on December 23, 2013, 08:24:52 AM
Actually I think the main reason this board isn't good any more is because about half the posts are about calling someone else an idiot.  Thanks for your contribution.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 23, 2013, 08:26:19 AM
Quote from: frozena pizza on December 23, 2013, 08:24:52 AM
Actually I think the main reason this board isn't good any more is because about half the posts are about calling someone else an idiot.  Thanks for your contribution.

I see what you did there....    ;)
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: CTWarrior on December 23, 2013, 08:26:23 AM
Comes with the territory of having a disappointing team.  When things are going south it is much easier to find fault.  This team has the added dynamic of a heralded freshman class who can't seem to get playing time while those in front of them struggle.  Add in that there are reasonable arguments to be made for who should and shouldn't be playing and it adds up to combative forum.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Goose on December 23, 2013, 08:37:51 AM
CT Warrior

I agree completely. I do find this season frustrating on the court and on Scoop. Obviously we all have opinions and it seems that everyone has drawn the line in the sand this year regarding their opinions. Some guys use stats, other use the eye test and others just want to support Buzz. Do find it funny that anyone on here feels the need to defend Buzz on anything. I think he is off the wall crazy for playing the backcourt he does, but still love the guy big time.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 23, 2013, 08:40:10 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 23, 2013, 08:17:26 AM
I've been here for five years and this is by far the worse season on scoop ever.  Yes most of the comments here (or any message board) are by people that don't know what they are talking about, but in past seasons they used to be interspersed with knowledgeable commentators.  Today the only reasonable/knowledgeable comments come from Paint Touches and the occasional post, which is getting impossible to find.  The rest of the caterwauling about Jake Thomas hitting threes or benching Derick Wilson is just embarrassing.

How to fix it?  I might suggest that the posters consider making everyone put their name and email in the profile.  It's a lot harder to make idiotic comments when everyone knows who you are.

The beginning of the end was when BMA725 left.

Finally, some forward movement on MUScoop!

From the sky is falling, the sky is falling to
the sky has fallen, the sky has fallen.

The MU basketball fanatic community is going through a year of rooting for a team that is not meeting expectations after five years of rooting for a team that for the most part exceeded them.  The best way to retain one's peace of mind is to accept that in such a situation many fans are going to blow a gasket and come on MUScoop when they do so.  

I too miss BMA725-and BamaMarquetteFan, as well, who has more quietly posted less and less-but when there is news to be had I still find it here first.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: PVMagic on December 23, 2013, 08:46:09 AM
After the last loss I used the "past post" feature on a number of posters who were flooding the forum with complaints about Buzz, the Jake/Derrick saga, and the transfer assurances and was not surprised to see how many of these posters were only posting after losses (and usually the same complaints without much real content/contribution).  The team and especially the coach shouldn't be immune to criticism and I think this site has in the past done a great job dissecting the strengths and weaknesses of the team, but frankly some of the crap this year has been unreadable and embarrassing.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: jesmu84 on December 23, 2013, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: PVMagic on December 23, 2013, 08:46:09 AM
After the last loss I used the "past post" feature on a number of posters who were flooding the forum with complaints about Buzz, the Jake/Derrick saga, and the transfer assurances and was not surprised to see how many of these posters were only posting after losses (and usually the same complaints without much real content/contribution).  The team and especially the coach shouldn't be immune to criticism and I think this site has in the past done a great job dissecting the strengths and weaknesses of the team, but frankly some of the crap this year has been unreadable and embarrassing.

This. This. A million times this. I've got no problems with criticism or commentary, even if different than mine.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ATWizJr on December 23, 2013, 08:53:02 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 23, 2013, 08:17:26 AM
I've been here for five years and this is by far the worse season on scoop ever.  Yes most of the comments here (or any message board) are by people that don't know what they are talking about, but in past seasons they used to be interspersed with knowledgeable commentators.  Today the only reasonable/knowledgeable comments come from Paint Touches and the occasional post, which is getting impossible to find.  The rest of the caterwauling about Jake Thomas hitting threes or benching Derick Wilson is just embarrassing.

How to fix it?  I might suggest that the posters consider making everyone put their name and email in the profile.  It's a lot harder to make idiotic comments when everyone knows who you are.

The beginning of the end was when BMA725 left.
Absolutely right as regards BMA 725.  Sure do miss that guy.  Gave us the straight poop.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 23, 2013, 08:53:22 AM
Quote from: Goose on December 23, 2013, 08:37:51 AM
CT Warrior

I agree completely. I do find this season frustrating on the court and on Scoop. Obviously we all have opinions and it seems that everyone has drawn the line in the sand this year regarding their opinions. Some guys use stats, other use the eye test and others just want to support Buzz. Do find it funny that anyone on here feels the need to defend Buzz on anything. I think he is off the wall crazy for playing the backcourt he does, but still love the guy big time.

Agree.  And when the season isn't going as well as many expected, the various opinions on how to improve things tend to get more extreme than usual.

The thing that frustrates me most in seasons like this isn't that people have differing opinions, it's that the differing opinions often lead to condescending comments...like Heisenberg's OP referring to "people that don't know what they're talking about."  I'm guessing in Heisenberg's world, that roughly equates to "people who don't agree with me."
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 23, 2013, 09:00:15 AM
Quote from: ATWizJr on December 23, 2013, 08:53:02 AM
 Absolutely right as regards BMA 725.  Sure do miss that guy.  Gave us the straight poop.

He is missed....memory lane.....

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=28095.msg324636#msg324636
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: WI inferiority Complexes on December 23, 2013, 09:01:17 AM
If you can list a better college basketball forum for learning about Louis Vitton belts, purses, and wallets, I'm all ears.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 23, 2013, 09:11:30 AM
CT & Murs, you nailed it - it's just been a disappointing season, which makes for more bitching on Scoop. Here's hoping for improvement.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Skatastrophy on December 23, 2013, 09:19:35 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/pUTleuf.jpg)
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 23, 2013, 09:32:58 AM
Yes, the season is disappointing and that increases the bitching.  I get that.  However, I used to like this forum as I learned a lot about MU basketball.  Now I feel like I'm learning nothing about it.

For instance, where is Big Daddy or Tall Titan or anyone else close to the program to tell us what is really going on with Duane Wilson?  That's what I liked about this forum, both the knowledgeable and insiders sharing info.  Now all we get is made up crap that makes no sense.

As the example of the ignorance about MU basketball ... how many threads have we had asking why Steve Tyalor was not playing?  Is anyone that posts here actually paying attention?
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 23, 2013, 09:39:11 AM
Frankly, this forum is as good as ever. 'Cept it loses a little steam when some are reluctant to rip the jewels off Crean. keefe more than makes up for the pontification of dudes like bma. Believe it or not, plenty cats on this site have more authenicated inside poop than what's regurgitated on the alternative sites or posters who have left. Carry on MUScoopers!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: NersEllenson on December 23, 2013, 09:45:32 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 23, 2013, 09:00:15 AM
He is missed....memory lane.....

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=28095.msg324636#msg324636

Sadly, your track record speaks for itself - banned from the Scout Board, along with another of my "friends" here, Sultan - Banned from MU Scoop for a year, yet so nuts you create a fictitious account and begin posting under Hoopaloop.  Pure Comedy.

Nice.....on the above link though.  Could you also link my response to BMA's manifesto to me - you know the post where I mention exactly what the original poster here is complaining about - the constant harping on Buzz and our players.

Irony is that I got bitched at back from 2009-2011 for drinking the Kool Aid and having blue and gold glasses on, and as BMA mentioned in his post that he was annoyed with my "Fellating Buzz."  Then, when in the vast minority of my posts - I actually criticize Buzz and question his decision to continue to play Derrick - then I catch more hell from a select group of 5 posters I've long battled with here.  

No worries nonetheless Chicos, everyone knows your agenda here - and it looks like I'll be sending in $50 for ASU not cracking the Top 15 by season end.  Merry Christmas

Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: MU82 on December 23, 2013, 09:53:51 AM
I never came here for great insider knowledge. It seemed like that stuff was always a 50/50 proposition anyway.

I like to do virtual high fives when we're going well and to commiserate with like-minded souls when we're struggling ... and I still do.

But I do agree that the back and forth between people who don't like each other has gotten tiresome. "You're a jerk" ... "No, you're a jerk" doesn't make the best reading.

When it gets tiresome enough, I take a break for a few days. Nobody's holding a gun to my head -- not even George Zimmerman -- to keep reading.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 23, 2013, 09:55:21 AM
This still is my favorite board to talk Marquette hoops but one thing has gotten worse:  the attacks on individual student athletes.

I don't really care if people attack each other on the board (myself included).  I don't care if people attack the coaching staff.

But I don't understand the over-the-top criticizing of 18-21 year old kids.  Sans off the court incidents or being a bad team player, I don't agree with the attacks on the players.  This has gotten much worse since this board was started and I guarantee you it is the reason why guys like bma do not post here anymore.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 23, 2013, 09:58:51 AM
Anyone else miss the incoherent postings and the pee your trousers grammatical escapades of Dimes?
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: MUfan12 on December 23, 2013, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 23, 2013, 09:32:58 AM
For instance, where is Big Daddy or Tall Titan or anyone else close to the program to tell us what is really going on with Duane Wilson?  That's what I liked about this forum, both the knowledgeable and insiders sharing info.  Now all we get is made up crap that makes no sense.

People get ripped for sharing info on here. Frankly, it's not worth it.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 23, 2013, 10:02:48 AM
Quote from: Ners on December 23, 2013, 09:45:32 AM
Merry Christmas


Your response to BMA is in the same thread I linked....I just thought people should know why BMA isn't around any longer.

Never created Hoop, you can repeat the lie as often as you wish, doesn't make it true.

I wear my banning from Scout as a badge of honor...you see it as some kind of negative thing...sorry, it is anything but.

Merry Christmas....young children that are dependent on insulin every day for the rest of their lives will be pleased with your donation.  If your company matches, that would be nice as well.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 23, 2013, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 23, 2013, 09:55:21 AM
This still is my favorite board to talk Marquette hoops but one thing has gotten worse:  the attacks on individual student athletes.

I don't really care if people attack each other on the board (myself included).  I don't care if people attack the coaching staff.

But I don't understand the over-the-top criticizing of 18-21 year old kids.  Sans off the court incidents or being a bad team player, I don't agree with the attacks on the players.  This has gotten much worse since this board was started and I guarantee you it is the reason why guys like bma do not post here anymore.

Very true.  It's too bad that some cannot handle disappointment any other way.  Based on what was said about Buzz's latest radio show, this drives Buzz nuts, as well.

It also seems inane to me to criticize Buzz for who he plays.  He sees these guys nearly every day at practice and knows what each of them can bring to the table and what they can't yet provide.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: MU82 on December 23, 2013, 10:12:30 AM
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 23, 2013, 09:55:21 AM
This still is my favorite board to talk Marquette hoops but one thing has gotten worse:  the attacks on individual student athletes.

I don't really care if people attack each other on the board (myself included).  I don't care if people attack the coaching staff.

But I don't understand the over-the-top criticizing of 18-21 year old kids.  Sans off the court incidents or being a bad team player, I don't agree with the attacks on the players.  This has gotten much worse since this board was started and I guarantee you it is the reason why guys like bma do not post here anymore.

I guess this depends upon one's definition of "over-the-top criticizing" or "attacks."

I don't think saying "Jake Thomas isn't good enough to be a high-major 2" is an attack. I think saying, "Jake Thomas is worthless and I wish he never came back" is an attack. Thankfully, I don't think we have much of the latter, but I know it does happen sometimes.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Goose on December 23, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
To me the inside scoop has been missing and that had led to to senseless debates on on the backcourt, Steve Taylor, Jr and the freshmen. I agree Big Daddy throwing out some dirt or others makes exciting. No doubt this board is best MU ball forum and hope the new year brings some new topics.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 23, 2013, 10:32:32 AM
Quote from: MU82 on December 23, 2013, 10:12:30 AM
I guess this depends upon one's definition of "over-the-top criticizing" or "attacks."

I don't think saying "Jake Thomas isn't good enough to be a high-major 2" is an attack. I think saying, "Jake Thomas is worthless and I wish he never came back" is an attack. Thankfully, I don't think we have much of the latter, but I know it does happen sometimes.

Well said. 

When I read stuff like he couldn't start on Grambling, I only hope that is hyperbole.  Jake's a pretty good player, busts his butt and has hit some shots for us.  He would be a nice role player on this team, but he's forced to play major minutes (maybe forced isn't the right word, selected by our coach to play major minutes).  Whether that's because the freshmen aren't ready or Jake is proving it in practice, that's the deal right now.  I don't think Jake is the reason this team is struggling.

The seniors have yet to assert themselves in the fashion some expected.  Point guard play has been inconsistent, we have lineups at times where we have only one person who can score, and we have a player that at times appears to not be on the same page as his coach (or his former AD) and teammates.  Roll all that together and we underachieve vs expectations.

Some of the fault lies on the players, some on the coaches, and some on out of proportion expectations.  When folks throw out that we were an Elite 8 team, they also forget how lucky we were to get out of the first round.  We were that close to being one and one....if that had happened, how would the expectations have changed?  The line is very thin.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: River rat on December 23, 2013, 10:38:23 AM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 23, 2013, 09:58:51 AM
Anyone else miss the incoherent postings and the pee your trousers grammatical escapades of Dimes?

Seems he got banned for calling other people "idiots", yet others do not get banned for the same things.  I agree with others,  the civilty police seem to have disappeared

Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: GGGG on December 23, 2013, 10:43:04 AM
Quote from: Ners on December 23, 2013, 09:45:32 AM
Sadly, your track record speaks for itself - banned from the Scout Board, along with another of my "friends" here, Sultan - Banned from MU Scoop for a year, yet so nuts you create a fictitious account and begin posting under Hoopaloop.  Pure Comedy.


I was banned for like a week because apparently we can call players, coach, etc. whatever we want to call them, but we can't call another poster a name because that apparently steps over the line.

The good thing about Scoop is that it is pretty much an open forum.  The moderators don't want to do a lot of moderating and it can lead to good discussion.  The bad thing about that is that it drives posters with decent information away.  No true "insiders" post here any longer because of the wild west nature of the forum.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: MU82 on December 23, 2013, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: River rat on December 23, 2013, 10:38:23 AM
Seems he got banned for calling other people "idiots", yet others do not get banned for the same things.  I agree with others,  the civilty police seem to have disappeared



What an idiotic thing to say!  :D
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 23, 2013, 10:46:01 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 23, 2013, 08:17:26 AM

How to fix it?  I might suggest that the posters consider making everyone put their name and email in the profile.  It's a lot harder to make idiotic comments when everyone knows who you are.

My name is Jack Harbaugh and I used to draw a six figure salary for ushering the "season ticket holder of the game" to mid court.

I feel better now.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Skatastrophy on December 23, 2013, 10:51:07 AM
I guess it's that time of year that the team is bad enough that we start complaining about each other instead of the team.

Merry Xmas!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 23, 2013, 10:58:19 AM
Joanie, please step forward.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 23, 2013, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 23, 2013, 10:02:48 AM
I wear my banning from Scout as a badge of honor...you see it as some kind of negative thing...sorry, it is anything but.

I support 99% of Scout bannings.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: GurneeHitchkr on December 23, 2013, 11:15:39 AM
Heisenberg: Couldn't have said it better myself.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: connie on December 23, 2013, 11:27:48 AM
This year is difficult for a number of reasons, and that is reflected on the forum.  For example, I am most disappointed in that we really have not had anybody step up this year.  Maybe we have been spoiled, but so far this looks more like a collection of 5-10 minute a game role players than what we have seen for the past 10 years. Paint Touches has done great work detailing the lack of production of the bigs, our supposed strength, but I sympathize with those who believe this stems from an offensively challenged back court that cannot penetrate or dish and can score in very limited ways, like wide open 3's---maybe.  Given the relative lack of production of our upperclassmen I too want to see touted freshmen play, but I also saw Burton looking absolutely clueless on defense several times against Ball State, and if I can see that with my little basketball knowledge I can understand why that must drive Buzz insane.

I don't mind the back and forth, or even the occasional idiot being called out(which may even be me), but I do get worn out from the replay of year+ old grudges.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: tower912 on December 23, 2013, 11:38:54 AM
 This season is not meeting expectations so far.  People like to complain.   Fans feel entitled to something and act like 2 year olds when they can't get it.   It isn't actually anything new, it's the same thing that used to go on in bars, cars, break rooms, backyards, only now everyone believes their team has a birthright to win, a need for instant gratification and a keyboard.    That goofball in the bar that you shake your head at and turn away from and back to your friends and your beer?    He's the guy who now shows up here after losses ranting how he knows more than the coach and how this is the worst team ever and how the world is ending.     Using 25 posts, corrupting every interesting  constructive discussion.   

Tis the world we live in.   For better or for worse. 
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Windyplayer on December 23, 2013, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 23, 2013, 08:17:26 AM
I might suggest that the posters consider making everyone put their name and email in the profile.  It's a lot harder to make idiotic comments when everyone knows who you are.
That's a nice way to chill speech. How un-American of you.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: 77ncaachamps on December 23, 2013, 11:52:11 AM
I think it's easiest if we blame Larry Williams for everything.

Pin it on the goat LW and watch him go....
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Dreadman24 on December 23, 2013, 11:55:02 AM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 23, 2013, 08:19:39 AM
That won't stop people from using a fake name or email address.

+100
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: classof70 on December 23, 2013, 12:42:48 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 23, 2013, 08:17:26 AM

How to fix it?  I might suggest that the posters consider making everyone put their name and email in the profile.  It's a lot harder to make idiotic comments when everyone knows who you are.

The beginning of the end was when BMA725 left.

I don't see your email! ;)
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 23, 2013, 12:55:32 PM
Scoop began 7 years ago, October. 

Its decline started 6.9 years and 537,000 messages ago.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: MU82 on December 23, 2013, 01:03:55 PM
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 23, 2013, 12:55:32 PM
Scoop began 7 years ago, October. 

Its decline started 6.9 years and 537,000 messages ago.

Nicely stated!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 23, 2013, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: classof70 on December 23, 2013, 12:42:48 PM
I don't see your email! ;)

My email has been on my profile since 2008
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 23, 2013, 01:19:25 PM
There are a few guys who are always angry and only come around to rip the team/coach. If we start to perform better, they'll pretty much go away. If we don't it will just get uglier here.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 23, 2013, 01:28:59 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 23, 2013, 01:05:30 PM
My email has been on my profile since 2008

My has been in the profile since I joined. Only one Scooper has used it to stalk me and intentionally be a dick. Guess who? (not Equalizer)
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 23, 2013, 01:35:46 PM
4ever?
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 23, 2013, 01:42:25 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 23, 2013, 10:46:01 AM
My name is Jack Harbaugh and I used to draw a six figure salary for ushering the "season ticket holder of the game" to mid court.

I feel better now.

Speech!  Speech!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: MUFan42 on December 23, 2013, 01:51:23 PM
This has always been my go to board. Yes, this board goes overboard on losses many w even less posts then me who have there owen vendetta. I'm mainly a lurker because there is good material, but after 2-3 pages of good stuff it always turns into useless banter. If the team wins, everyone's happy, but when we lose we will have people who likes to voice there displeasure. I stick around because 75 percent of the stuff on the board is informative and fun to read.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 23, 2013, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 23, 2013, 01:28:59 PM
My has been in the profile since I joined. Only one Scooper has used it to stalk me and intentionally be a dick. Guess who? (not Equalizer)

I am sorry, Lenny. It was the scotch talking. Forgive me.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: MerrittsMustache on December 23, 2013, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: MUFan42 on December 23, 2013, 01:51:23 PM
This has always been my go to board. Yes, this board goes overboard on losses many w even less posts then me who have there owen vendetta. I'm mainly a lurker because there is good material, but after 2-3 pages of good stuff it always turns into useless banter. If the team wins, everyone's happy, but when we lose we will have people who likes to voice there displeasure. I stick around because 75 percent of the stuff on the board is informative and fun to read.

Owen Vendetta should be starting over Derrick!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 23, 2013, 02:01:01 PM
Quote from: keefe on December 23, 2013, 01:51:58 PM
I am sorry, Lenny. It was the scotch talking. Forgive me.

Too funny, Crash. Not you, of course. My guess is it's likely that you've been a victim of a cyber stalker or two here.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 23, 2013, 02:02:23 PM
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 23, 2013, 01:42:25 PM
Speech!  Speech!
Did you hear Stanford beat USC? And my son was the coach! Now let's watch Marquette play basketball!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 23, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 23, 2013, 02:02:23 PM
Did you hear Stanford beat USC? And my son was the coach! Now let's watch Marquette play basketball!

You mean the Miiiiiiighty Trojans of USC?
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 23, 2013, 02:17:02 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 23, 2013, 01:28:59 PM
My has been in the profile since I joined. Only one Scooper has used it to stalk me and intentionally be a dick. Guess who? (not Equalizer)

That's so crazy...did that person show up at your house, too?  Did you return the favor.......that's ok, I'll bet the stalker made you do that.   ;D


(http://careergirlnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/stalking.png)

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Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 23, 2013, 03:13:05 PM
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 23, 2013, 09:19:35 AM
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Which one of those goobers is "Sultan?"
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 23, 2013, 03:20:05 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 23, 2013, 02:17:02 PM
That's so crazy...did that person show up at your house, too?  Did you return the favor.......that's ok, I'll bet the stalker made you do that.   ;D




1.I don't know
2.No
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Benny B on December 23, 2013, 03:45:31 PM
The key to having an "informative" fanboard is to have regular posters who are informative.  That comes primarily in two flavors, 1) interesting statistical analysis and insight (e.g. the value-add stuff that Bama used to throw around) and 2) inside/non-public information.

The problem with the former is that Brew77 is the only one who has done any substantial statistical work recently, and the problem with the latter is that MU is such a small world, and if you start posting sensitive info too often, you're either going to get fired for leaking or if the knowledge is secondhand, your source is going to figure out who you are and stonewall (or fire) you.

So your "informed" posters are going to either a) post sporadically or b) mix in a fair amount of speculation/opinion with the inside information so to make it seem like you're just getting lucky (or better yet, make the inside info seem like speculation).


Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 23, 2013, 03:51:14 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 23, 2013, 01:53:23 PM
Owen Vendetta should be starting over Derrick!


Sure it's more vitriolic this year because our expectations were too high, but I keep reading for posts like this which, though a tad sophomoric, make me LOL.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 23, 2013, 05:34:16 PM
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 23, 2013, 01:35:46 PM
4ever?

Me? Nah. I don't dig in anyone's droppin's. You know, live and let live. 'Cept I do mess with F*ckin' sometimes, 'cuz its like takin' candy from a babe.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 23, 2013, 11:54:49 PM
The reports of MUScoop's death was an exaggeration.

I do wish all of our members would reply to each other in the same manner as if they were face to face.  Then again, maybe everyone does, and we have a bunch of a$$holes here.   I believe that's unlikely however.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 24, 2013, 12:49:13 AM
The only things the frustrate me on here are:

1) Old debates being dragged up places where they don't belong (the Warriors name change, Father Pilarz ruining everything, TC being the devil...). Each of those topics should have one designated thread and all related items be placed in it.


2) When posters act like they know more than the coach. Our staff knows a helluva lot more than any of us. If you want to post your opinion, fine. If you want to post statistics that question the coach, fine. If you want to express confusion about decisions, fine. But the constant Buzz is overratted, Buzz is too loyal to seniors, buzz needs to do this or do that...it gets annoying and is just downright arrogant.

3) Personal attacks. We are all Marquette fans here (except for that OnWisconsin troll), let's act like we are on the same time.

I'm sure I have participated in one of the three activities above. If you ever catch me in the act, please call me out on it. I will own up to it.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 24, 2013, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 24, 2013, 12:49:13 AM
The only things the frustrate me on here are:



1) Old debates being dragged up places where they don't belong

2) When posters act like they know more than the coach.

3) Personal attacks.

Not much else on Scoop besides those 3 categories. You might want to stick with Dodds' site. Much more milquetoast. Except for his Granny Nagging, that is.

Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: jesmu84 on December 24, 2013, 02:10:49 AM
Quote from: Benny B on December 23, 2013, 03:45:31 PM
The key to having an "informative" fanboard is to have regular posters who are informative.  That comes primarily in two flavors, 1) interesting statistical analysis and insight (e.g. the value-add stuff that Bama used to throw around) and 2) inside/non-public information.

The problem with the former is that Brew77 is the only one who has done any substantial statistical work recently, and the problem with the latter is that MU is such a small world, and if you start posting sensitive info too often, you're either going to get fired for leaking or if the knowledge is secondhand, your source is going to figure out who you are and stonewall (or fire) you.

So your "informed" posters are going to either a) post sporadically or b) mix in a fair amount of speculation/opinion with the inside information so to make it seem like you're just getting lucky (or better yet, make the inside info seem like speculation).




Whatever happened to Bama? I like the advanced stats stuff.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: real chili 83 on December 24, 2013, 05:23:02 AM
You know what really, really pisses me off?

It's when we are having a serious discussion about jigs or spinners, and some changes the topic to basketball.

Merry Christmas all.

Oh, and GO WARRIORS!!!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 24, 2013, 06:47:02 AM
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 24, 2013, 02:10:49 AM
Whatever happened to Bama? I like the advanced stats stuff.

I think he's writing for Hustler or some other magazine/website.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: SuddenSam on December 24, 2013, 08:01:15 AM
Now if we could just channel some of this energy towards the rodent trolls who like to follow/comment on Hunt's incredibly insightful MU blogs!!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 24, 2013, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 24, 2013, 12:49:13 AM
The only things the frustrate me on here are:

1) Old debates being dragged up places where they don't belong (the Warriors name change, Father Pilarz ruining everything, TC being the devil...). Each of those topics should have one designated thread and all related items be placed in it.


2) When posters act like they know more than the coach. Our staff knows a helluva lot more than any of us. If you want to post your opinion, fine. If you want to post statistics that question the coach, fine. If you want to express confusion about decisions, fine. But the constant Buzz is overratted, Buzz is too loyal to seniors, buzz needs to do this or do that...it gets annoying and is just downright arrogant.

3) Personal attacks. We are all Marquette fans here (except for that OnWisconsin troll), let's act like we are on the same time.

I'm sure I have participated in one of the three activities above. If you ever catch me in the act, please call me out on it. I will own up to it.

Yeah, I enjoyed those seven remaining posts too!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 24, 2013, 09:06:28 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 24, 2013, 12:49:13 AM
The only things the frustrate me on here are:

2) When posters act like they know more than the coach. Our staff knows a helluva lot more than any of us. If you want to post your opinion, fine. If you want to post statistics that question the coach, fine. If you want to express confusion about decisions, fine. But the constant Buzz is overratted, Buzz is too loyal to seniors, buzz needs to do this or do that...it gets annoying and is just downright arrogant.

I have a little trouble with this one IMO.  No coaching staff knows it all, plus there are many ways to skin the cat.  Comes with the territory when you are a coach or a high profile decisonmaker, you will get second guessed.  You said it well that people should and can have those viewpoints, which is better than some who get very angry when people have those viewpoints as if they simply aren't allowed.   My only quibble is the last line about it being arrogant.  Certainly can be arrogant, but doesn't have to be either..
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 24, 2013, 09:34:30 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 24, 2013, 09:06:28 AM
I have a little trouble with this one IMO.  No coaching staff knows it all, plus there are many ways to skin the cat.  Comes with the territory when you are a coach or a high profile decisonmaker, you will get second guessed.  You said it well that people should and can have those viewpoints, which is better than some who get very angry when people have those viewpoints as if they simply aren't allowed.   My only quibble is the last line about it being arrogant.  Certainly can be arrogant, but doesn't have to be either..

Agree.  I can quibble with Buzz's decisions about playing time for specific players - I personally think Juan deserves more, for example - but that doesn't mean I claim to "know more about basketball" than Buzz. 
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: setyoursightsnorth on December 24, 2013, 09:35:31 AM
I find all this bickering hilarious. Nothing like a bunch of middle aged men gossiping and hurting each other's feelings over the Internet. It's wonderful how upset everyone gets over anything, to the point that this board can't function and someone like BAM or whatever his name was has to make a formal retirement statement and quit the board. Stuff like this is reality TV gold. I'll be in contact with Danny Pudi and see what we can come up with, because what you people do on here is comical 90% of the time. A bunch of adults who devote every week to picking fights and stalking the twitters/instagrams/facebooks of teenagers and 20-somethings who just want to play basketball.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: NersEllenson on December 24, 2013, 09:55:13 AM
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on December 24, 2013, 09:35:31 AM
I find all this bickering hilarious. Nothing like a bunch of middle aged men gossiping and hurting each other's feelings over the Internet. It's wonderful how upset everyone gets over anything, to the point that this board can't function and someone like BAM or whatever his name was has to make a formal retirement statement and quit the board. Stuff like this is reality TV gold. I'll be in contact with Danny Pudi and see what we can come up with, because what you people do on here is comical 90% of the time. A bunch of adults who devote every week to picking fights and stalking the twitters/instagrams/facebooks of teenagers and 20-somethings who just want to play basketball.

Nominee for post of the year!  Well done and truth...this board is great entertainment.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Eldon on December 24, 2013, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on December 24, 2013, 09:35:31 AM
I find all this bickering hilarious. Nothing like a bunch of middle aged men gossiping and hurting each other's feelings over the Internet. It's wonderful how upset everyone gets over anything, to the point that this board can't function and someone like BAM or whatever his name was has to make a formal retirement statement and quit the board. Stuff like this is reality TV gold. I'll be in contact with Danny Pudi and see what we can come up with, because what you people do on here is comical 90% of the time. A bunch of adults who devote every week to picking fights and stalking the twitters/instagrams/facebooks of teenagers and 20-somethings who just want to play basketball.

Reality TV or sitcom, the "message board wars" idea actually sounds like it has potential for an entertaining show.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: classof70 on December 24, 2013, 10:54:18 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 23, 2013, 01:05:30 PM
My email has been on my profile since 2008

When I go there it says "hidden".   Not that I'm criticizing!!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 24, 2013, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on December 24, 2013, 09:35:31 AM
I find all this bickering hilarious. Nothing like a bunch of middle aged men gossiping and hurting each other's feelings over the Internet. It's wonderful how upset everyone gets over anything, to the point that this board can't function and someone like BAM or whatever his name was has to make a formal retirement statement and quit the board. Stuff like this is reality TV gold. I'll be in contact with Danny Pudi and see what we can come up with, because what you people do on here is comical 90% of the time. A bunch of adults who devote every week to picking fights and stalking the twitters/instagrams/facebooks of teenagers and 20-somethings who just want to play basketball.

I find it hilarious that you see internet message board bickering, and think "reality TV"...because it seems to imply that you think reality TV is based on real-life stuff.  Now THAT I find comical....
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Benny B on December 24, 2013, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 24, 2013, 11:50:09 AM
I find it hilarious that you see internet message board bickering, and think "reality TV"...because it seems to imply that you think reality TV is based on real-life stuff.  Now THAT I find comical....

I was going to bump it to 91% for the name drop, but I like your perspective, too.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 24, 2013, 12:46:54 PM
I still chuckle at the title of this thread.


Scoop seems every bit as active, if not more so than ever.  I can name a few MU sites that are absolute graveyards the last few years. 
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 24, 2013, 01:11:29 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 24, 2013, 12:46:54 PM
I still chuckle at the title of this thread.


Scoop seems every bit as active, if not more so than ever.  I can name a few MU sites that are absolute graveyards the last few years.  


The End of Geocities

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Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 24, 2013, 01:16:59 PM
Some of us go back to this about Marquette


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Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 24, 2013, 03:05:38 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 24, 2013, 12:46:54 PM
I still chuckle at the title of this thread.


Scoop seems every bit as active, if not more so than ever.  I can name a few MU sites that are absolute graveyards the last few years. 

By number of posts, and users online yes...

Nov 2006: 3526 posts, 126 (max simultaneous) users
Nov 2007: 3870 posts, 135 users
Nov 2008: 4282 posts, 325 users
Nov 2009: 5896 posts, 333 users
Nov 2010: 8656 posts, 404 users
Nov 2011: 6276 posts, 400 users
Nov 2012: 8810 posts, 509 users
Nov 2013: 10892 posts, 687 users

It appears we had a blip in 2011, but were back on track and this will still be a record year for our lil 'ol server.  (of note, on Dec 1, we had a new record of 1149 users online simultaneously).

So perhaps what some perceive as the "worst year" of MUScoop ever, is really that they liked it better with a smaller crowd, and there's more noise now.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 24, 2013, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 24, 2013, 09:06:28 AM
I have a little trouble with this one IMO.  No coaching staff knows it all, plus there are many ways to skin the cat.  Comes with the territory when you are a coach or a high profile decisonmaker, you will get second guessed.  You said it well that people should and can have those viewpoints, which is better than some who get very angry when people have those viewpoints as if they simply aren't allowed.   My only quibble is the last line about it being arrogant.  Certainly can be arrogant, but doesn't have to be either..

That's fair. I didn't mean to give the image that if you disagree with coach you are arrogant. I disagree with him all the time, I just recognize that he has a lot more expertise in this area. Its specifically those who choose to express their disagreement by saying that Buzz needs to do something or claim to know more than the coach that I find arrogant
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 24, 2013, 04:14:04 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 24, 2013, 03:05:38 PM
By number of posts, and users online yes...

Nov 2006: 3526 posts, 126 (max simultaneous) users
Nov 2007: 3870 posts, 135 users
Nov 2008: 4282 posts, 325 users
Nov 2009: 5896 posts, 333 users
Nov 2010: 8656 posts, 404 users
Nov 2011: 6276 posts, 400 users
Nov 2012: 8810 posts, 509 users
Nov 2013: 10892 posts, 687 users

It appears we had a blip in 2011, but were back on track and this will still be a record year for our lil 'ol server.  (of note, on Dec 1, we had a new record of 1149 users online simultaneously).

So perhaps what some perceive as the "worst year" of MUScoop ever, is really that they liked it better with a smaller crowd, and there's more noise now.

Ok, your right, I'm wrong, scoop is better than ever.

In fact let's celebrate scoop's success by starting another four threads that Jake should not be a starter, and let's do it before the Samford game!!

Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: NersEllenson on December 24, 2013, 05:40:32 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 24, 2013, 03:05:38 PM
By number of posts, and users online yes...

Nov 2006: 3526 posts, 126 (max simultaneous) users
Nov 2007: 3870 posts, 135 users
Nov 2008: 4282 posts, 325 users
Nov 2009: 5896 posts, 333 users
Nov 2010: 8656 posts, 404 users
Nov 2011: 6276 posts, 400 users
Nov 2012: 8810 posts, 509 users
Nov 2013: 10892 posts, 687 users

It appears we had a blip in 2011, but were back on track and this will still be a record year for our lil 'ol server.  (of note, on Dec 1, we had a new record of 1149 users online simultaneously).

So perhaps what some perceive as the "worst year" of MUScoop ever, is really that they liked it better with a smaller crowd, and there's more noise now.

Was 2011 the year Chicos was banned?   ;D  Pretty sure it was 2012, but couldn't resist a little Xmas Eve levity, on behalf of our most active Scoop Poster who clocks in 16,494 posts!  Life at DirecTV must be pretty cush!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: MU82 on December 24, 2013, 09:49:10 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 24, 2013, 04:14:04 PM
Ok, your right, I'm wrong, scoop is better than ever.

In fact let's celebrate scoop's success by starting another four threads that Jake should not be a starter, and let's do it before the Samford game!!



Wait ... Jake is starting? That doesn't sound right.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: 79Warrior on December 24, 2013, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 24, 2013, 01:16:59 PM
Some of us go back to this about Marquette


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Was that the old dial up Prodigy site? Where is Harry Peck when we need him?
WS
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Coleman on December 25, 2013, 01:10:10 AM
I was hoping this thread was about a long lost volume to Edward Gibbon's magnum opus that we read in Fr. J.P. Donnelly, SJ's Roman
History class.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: seakm4 on December 25, 2013, 02:41:21 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 23, 2013, 08:17:26 AM
I've been here for five years and this is by far the worse season on scoop ever.  Yes most of the comments here (or any message board) are by people that don't know what they are talking about, but in past seasons they used to be interspersed with knowledgeable commentators.  Today the only reasonable/knowledgeable comments come from Paint Touches and the occasional post, which is getting impossible to find.  The rest of the caterwauling about Jake Thomas hitting threes or benching Derick Wilson is just embarrassing.

How to fix it?  I might suggest that the posters consider making everyone put their name and email in the profile.  It's a lot harder to make idiotic comments when everyone knows who you are.

The beginning of the end was when BMA725 left.

Sam Ek
ek_3011@nothingBETTERtoPOST.com

Bad posts happen every year, and you're just upset because you've had to read the same one three times.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Hubert Davis on December 25, 2013, 11:43:50 AM
I have posted regularly in the past years (with different names) but I can barely even read this board now. Granted, I'm killing some time on christmas reading all the negativity and bull$hit you crazy "fans" post, but it has gone too far.

I used to love coming on this site, but now I stay far away.

I'll see all the REAL fans at the Bradley Center on Saturday.

Merry Xmas ya filthy frickin animals.

Go MARQUETTE!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 26, 2013, 12:55:41 PM
Quote from: Bradley Brew on December 25, 2013, 11:43:50 AM
I used to love coming on this site, but now I stay far away.

.. "far away" must mean 3-4 feet from the monitor as you read and post in this thread ...

If I had a nickle for every time I read that ..
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 26, 2013, 01:05:49 PM
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 26, 2013, 12:55:41 PM
.. "far away" must mean 3-4 feet from the monitor as you read and post in this thread ...

If I had a nickle for every time I read that ..

What if you had a nickel?
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: GGGG on December 26, 2013, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 24, 2013, 01:16:59 PM
Some of us go back to this about Marquette


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Yup.  And if you think Scoop is uncivil, you should have been around during the heyday of rec.sport.basketball.college.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on December 26, 2013, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 24, 2013, 03:05:38 PM
By number of posts, and users online yes...

Nov 2006: 3526 posts, 126 (max simultaneous) users
Nov 2007: 3870 posts, 135 users
Nov 2008: 4282 posts, 325 users
Nov 2009: 5896 posts, 333 users
Nov 2010: 8656 posts, 404 users
Nov 2011: 6276 posts, 400 users
Nov 2012: 8810 posts, 509 users
Nov 2013: 10892 posts, 687 users

so chicos' 16,494 posts (under his actual log-in) is roughly 32% of this sites total # of posts(52,209) since 2006? Holy Cow!!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: only a warrior on December 26, 2013, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on December 26, 2013, 04:13:30 PM
so chicos' 16,494 posts (under his actual log-in) is roughly 32% of this sites total # of posts(52,209) since 2006? Holy Cow!!

Just think what good could've been done for society with all that time posting!! 
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 26, 2013, 05:28:00 PM
Quote from: only a warrior on December 26, 2013, 05:18:43 PM
Just think what good could've been done for society with all that time posting!! 

Socially responsible a la carte satellite TV?
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Coleman on December 26, 2013, 05:34:35 PM
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on December 26, 2013, 04:13:30 PM
so chicos' 16,494 posts (under his actual log-in) is roughly 32% of this sites total # of posts(52,209) since 2006? Holy Cow!!

If you look closely, these numbers are just for the months of November in each year. Probably picked because it's the most "equal" month with the fewest outside factors (such as the strength of MU's team in a given year) due to it being at the beginning of the season.

Chicos numbers are for the entire time he's been here,  which include all 12 months of the year

Total posts metrics are on the front page of the forum. We are over 537,000 all time
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 26, 2013, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: Bleuteaux on December 26, 2013, 05:34:35 PM
If you look closely, these numbers are just for the months of November in each year. Probably picked because it's the most "equal" month with the fewest outside factors (such as the strength of MU's team in a given year) due to it being at the beginning of the season.

Chicos numbers are for the entire time he's been here,  which include all 12 months of the year

Total posts metrics are on the front page of the forum. We are over 537,000 all time

All generally correct.  That would have been an excellent reason to choose November, but I really picked it because it was the last complete month that I had stats for 2013.

And if folks like site statistics, they're availabe to all registered users here...http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 26, 2013, 08:42:09 PM
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on December 26, 2013, 04:13:30 PM
so chicos' 16,494 posts (under his actual log-in) is roughly 32% of this sites total # of posts(52,209) since 2006? Holy Cow!!

No .. you've got the math wrong.  52k posts are only for 7 years of Novembers.  CBB's 16k is for 7 years total.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 27, 2013, 01:41:44 AM
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 26, 2013, 08:42:09 PM
No .. you've got the math wrong.  52k posts are only for 7 years of Novembers.  CBB's 16k is for 7 6 years total.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 27, 2013, 09:23:50 AM
Sultan is actually more prolific than the bailbondsman.  He has 7+posts per day since 2009.  CBB has just under 7 since 2006, with a couple of timeouts.

Just think what the state of higher education in the state of Indiana could be....
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Coleman on December 27, 2013, 10:07:10 AM
Lurker of the Century award goes to Frenn's Liquor Depot, with over 128 days of time on MUScoop and only 137 posts.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 27, 2013, 10:29:06 AM
Sigh! The team is not doing well. Welcome to bitchaholics anonymous. My name is muwarrior69  and I am a bitchaholic!  
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: leever on December 27, 2013, 10:48:03 AM
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 27, 2013, 09:23:50 AM
Sultan is actually more prolific than the bailbondsman.  He has 7+posts per day since 2009.  CBB has just under 7 since 2006, with a couple of timeouts.


But you have to add in CBB's multiple personalities.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 27, 2013, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: Bleuteaux on December 27, 2013, 10:07:10 AM
Lurker of the Century award goes to Frenn's Liquor Depot, with over 128 days of time on MUScoop and only 137 posts.

MUCrisco is also pretty impressive with only 160 posts.  He registered the day MUScoop went live - October 23, 2006.  Looks like he (or she) was the second member (aside from admins/mods).
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 27, 2013, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 27, 2013, 12:20:01 PM
MUCrisco is also pretty impressive with only 160 posts.  He registered the day MUScoop went live - October 23, 2006.  Looks like he (or she) was the second member (aside from admins/mods).

crisco is active on the scout board.  he's very good at explaining bball in layman's terms.  (high school coach maybe?)

He also cut the pony tail off of pony tail ball room dance guy in 1999 or 2000 while at Murphy's.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 27, 2013, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 27, 2013, 09:23:50 AM
Sultan is actually more prolific than the bailbondsman.  He has 7+posts per day since 2009.  CBB has just under 7 since 2006, with a couple of timeouts.

Just think what the state of higher education in the state of Indiana could be....

At least Chico has some legitimate insight
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Goose on December 27, 2013, 02:04:48 PM
Keefe


+1
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: GGGG on December 27, 2013, 02:31:10 PM
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 27, 2013, 09:23:50 AM
Sultan is actually more prolific than the bailbondsman.  He has 7+posts per day since 2009.  CBB has just under 7 since 2006, with a couple of timeouts.


I wish I knew how to quit you scoopers.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 27, 2013, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 27, 2013, 10:29:06 AM
Sigh! The team is not doing well. Welcome to bitchaholics anonymous. My name is muwarrior69  and I am a bitchaholic!  

Hopefully your moniker references the year you graduated rather than avocational interest
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 27, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 27, 2013, 02:31:10 PM

I wish I knew how to quit you scoopers.

Easy. Go away.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 27, 2013, 03:09:23 PM
Quote from: leever on December 27, 2013, 10:48:03 AM
But you have to add in CBB's multiple personalities.

Dewey beats Truman
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 27, 2013, 03:12:44 PM
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 24, 2013, 10:36:17 PM
Was that the old dial up Prodigy site? Where is Harry Peck when we need him?
WS

Yup, that was the old prodigy site.  I think Harry still comes around from time to time. 


He wrote this article last year on the war on drugs.   

http://azstarnet.com/news/opinion/guest-column-time-is-long-past-to-acknowledge-us-has/article_2880e717-60ee-5eeb-8ce7-1f98764379c0.html

Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 27, 2013, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on December 26, 2013, 04:13:30 PM
so chicos' 16,494 posts (under his actual log-in) is roughly 32% of this sites total # of posts(52,209) since 2006? Holy Cow!!

I think you might want to redo your examination.  Those are November numbers by year, not annual numbers of posts.  I suspect Scoop does something like 75,000 posts per year (just a guess) with high usage based on seasonality for some months.  If the 75K number is right, then they would have over 1/2 million posts in the last 7 years.  My numbers could be way off, but I certainly don't make 32% of the post totals or anything remotely close to that.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: barfolomew on December 27, 2013, 03:39:43 PM
It may just be different internet settings on my new computer, but did MUScoop recently start selling ad hyperlinks? Also noticing pop-ups when I hadn't before...

If they are new, then it is a small price to pay for MU-based entertainment and, on rare instances, substantive basketball discussion. Thanks to the mods for their great efforts and capital outlay in keeping this site up and running. I hereby rename this thread as "The Rise and Shine of MUScoop".

BTW, anyone who can't weather a few games below preseason expectations and gets tired of the inevitable irrational bitching that follows should just go spend their time on the women's volleyball or men's soccer boards until next season. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 27, 2013, 03:56:49 PM
Quote from: barfolomew on December 27, 2013, 03:39:43 PM
It may just be different internet settings on my new computer, but did MUScoop recently start selling ad hyperlinks? Also noticing pop-ups when I hadn't before...

If they are new, then it is a small price to pay for MU-based entertainment and, on rare instances, substantive basketball discussion. Thanks to the mods for their great efforts and capital outlay in keeping this site up and running. I hereby rename this thread as "The Rise and Shine of MUScoop".

BTW, anyone who can't weather a few games below preseason expectations and gets tired of the inevitable irrational bitching that follows should just go spend their time on the women's volleyball or men's soccer boards until next season. Thanks.

"Rise and Fire."  C'mon now.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 27, 2013, 08:04:26 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-h1qdkJGFyHg/UCMY-UL_xyI/AAAAAAAADq0/Q4Rf4PMZFcw/s400/Satyr%2Bstatue%252C%2BAthens%2BArchaeological%2BMuseum%2B2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: MU82 on December 27, 2013, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: keefe on December 27, 2013, 08:04:26 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-h1qdkJGFyHg/UCMY-UL_xyI/AAAAAAAADq0/Q4Rf4PMZFcw/s400/Satyr%2Bstatue%252C%2BAthens%2BArchaeological%2BMuseum%2B2.jpg)

I guess this is keefe getting up for the big Samford game!
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 27, 2013, 10:17:11 PM
Quote from: barfolomew on December 27, 2013, 03:39:43 PM
It may just be different internet settings on my new computer, but did MUScoop recently start selling ad hyperlinks? Also noticing pop-ups when I hadn't before...

Hah, surprised you're the first one that's mentioned this.

For 7 years, MUScoop had banner that displayed to those that didn't log-in "please register, and log-in"...and then space to make the banner take a half page for those that chose not to log in.  Despite the annoyance, we still regularly have more "guests" that registered users on the site.  So, to add more deterrent, in late October we got rid of all the space, and added a single Google Adsense ad on every page, for guests only.  

It apparently hasn't convinced more people to log in (we still usually have more guests), but at least it does bring in some cash from those that only lurk as guests.  For those that login, they don't see ads at all.  But those that login provide all the content that draws people to the site, so it seems like a fair tradeoff to me.

As for popups, I don't know.  I never see the ads, but glad you logged in to comment on it :)
(if you still see them after logging in, let me know, that shouldn't happen)
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: real chili 83 on December 28, 2013, 06:52:33 AM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 27, 2013, 10:17:11 PM
Hah, surprised you're the first one that's mentioned this.

For 7 years, MUScoop had banner that displayed to those that didn't log-in "please register, and log-in"...and then space to make the banner take a half page for those that chose not to log in.  Despite the annoyance, we still regularly have more "guests" that registered users on the site.  So, to add more deterrent, in late October we got rid of all the space, and added a single Google Adsense ad on every page, for guests only.  

It apparently hasn't convinced more people to log in (we still usually have more guests), but at least it does bring in some cash from those that only lurk as guests.  For those that login, they don't see ads at all.  But those that login provide all the content that draws people to the site, so it seems like a fair tradeoff to me.

As for popups, I don't know.  I never see the ads, but glad you logged in to comment on it :)
(if you still see them after logging in, let me know, that shouldn't happen)

Rocky, do guests get counted in the Views totals for a post?
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: jsglow on December 28, 2013, 08:09:10 AM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 27, 2013, 10:17:11 PM
Hah, surprised you're the first one that's mentioned this.

For 7 years, MUScoop had banner that displayed to those that didn't log-in "please register, and log-in"...and then space to make the banner take a half page for those that chose not to log in.  Despite the annoyance, we still regularly have more "guests" that registered users on the site.  So, to add more deterrent, in late October we got rid of all the space, and added a single Google Adsense ad on every page, for guests only.  

It apparently hasn't convinced more people to log in (we still usually have more guests), but at least it does bring in some cash from those that only lurk as guests.  For those that login, they don't see ads at all.  But those that login provide all the content that draws people to the site, so it seems like a fair tradeoff to me.

As for popups, I don't know.  I never see the ads, but glad you logged in to comment on it :)
(if you still see them after logging in, let me know, that shouldn't happen)

Great idea and well played rocky.  I didn't even know about the Google ad.  Wow, we're all forcing lurking guests to 'pay' for our scintillating banter.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 28, 2013, 10:00:43 AM
Quote from: real chili 83 on December 28, 2013, 06:52:33 AM
Rocky, do guests get counted in the Views totals for a post?

Yes,  I believe so.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: hairy worthen on December 28, 2013, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: keefe on December 27, 2013, 01:41:05 PM
At least Chico has some legitimate insight
I like me some sultan once in a while even chicos is likeable at times
It would be boring if everyone was the same and had the same opinion. There are probably 5 posters that I make a point to read their posts for better or worse. 4ever, Keefe, sultan, chicos and zfb.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Dish on December 28, 2013, 11:57:35 AM
I remember when the Presidents took over the site for a few hours a few years back, that was fun.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 28, 2013, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: MUDish on December 28, 2013, 11:57:35 AM
I remember when the Presidents took over the site for a few hours a few years back, that was fun.


Was that when General Haig was in charge?
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: MU31 on December 28, 2013, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 27, 2013, 10:17:11 PM
Hah, surprised you're the first one that's mentioned this.

For 7 years, MUScoop had banner that displayed to those that didn't log-in "please register, and log-in"...and then space to make the banner take a half page for those that chose not to log in.  Despite the annoyance, we still regularly have more "guests" that registered users on the site.  So, to add more deterrent, in late October we got rid of all the space, and added a single Google Adsense ad on every page, for guests only.  

It apparently hasn't convinced more people to log in (we still usually have more guests), but at least it does bring in some cash from those that only lurk as guests.  For those that login, they don't see ads at all.  But those that login provide all the content that draws people to the site, so it seems like a fair tradeoff to me.

As for popups, I don't know.  I never see the ads, but glad you logged in to comment on it :)
(if you still see them after logging in, let me know, that shouldn't happen)

Crap, I saw the ads when I when I was reading scoop on my son's new latptop (didn't log in), I thought it was a mal- ware virus that I couldn't get rid of.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Benny B on December 30, 2013, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 24, 2013, 01:16:59 PM
Some of us go back to this about Marquette


(http://www.maran.com/dictionary/p/prodigy/image.gif)


That's pretty classy... Prodigy for Windows 95.

I had to slum around with this:
(http://kinvey.com/images/Prodigy-Floppy-Disk.jpeg)

I still remember my ID... even though I was the "primary" (read: only) user in my household, I used an 'E' account as my main (mostly because I had to setup the 'A' account under my mom's name since I was under 18 at the time).

One day - strictly because I was bored - I decided to advertise the recently-formed (but not by me) "Cat Haters Club" on the "Cat Lovers Club" bulletin board, which promptly flooded the inbox on the 'A' account with messages from crazy-cat-ladies and middle-aged housewives (thinking they were talking to my parents) ranting about "do you know what your child is doing," "your son should be reported to the police," and the like (even though I never actually posted on the hater's board).  I think at most one lady messaged a dozen times just in one day... as I recall, you got 30 messages a month and then each message was $0.25 per beyond that.  Suffice to say, I earned Prodigy a few bucks back in the day.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: brandx on December 30, 2013, 01:28:22 PM
Quote from: hairyworthen on December 28, 2013, 11:24:10 AM
I like me some sultan once in a while even chicos is likeable at times
It would be boring if everyone was the same and had the same opinion. There are probably 5 posters that I make a point to read their posts for better or worse. 4ever, Keefe, sultan, chicos and zfb.

+1. I agree with them sometimes - sometimes not and they are never shy about pushing their view, but have never been insulting to me.

I already know what I think, and like you I want to hear some other points of view.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: setyoursightsnorth on December 30, 2013, 02:47:35 PM
Quote from: keefe on December 27, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
Easy. Go away.

I would like to give you this website's version of Reddit Gold if given a chance.

But instead, I will give you 1,000,000 imaginary puppies. Well done, sir.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 30, 2013, 05:27:18 PM
Buzz has thoughts on this thread ...

(http://americangallery.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/stop-needless-noise-help-america-keep-calm.jpg)
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: g0lden3agle on December 30, 2013, 05:49:49 PM
When are we bringing back the ignore count tracking?
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 30, 2013, 06:21:43 PM
Quote from: Benny B on December 30, 2013, 11:37:33 AM
That's pretty classy... Prodigy for Windows 95.

I had to slum around with this:
(http://kinvey.com/images/Prodigy-Floppy-Disk.jpeg)

I still remember my ID... even though I was the "primary" (read: only) user in my household, I used an 'E' account as my main (mostly because I had to setup the 'A' account under my mom's name since I was under 18 at the time).

One day - strictly because I was bored - I decided to advertise the recently-formed (but not by me) "Cat Haters Club" on the "Cat Lovers Club" bulletin board, which promptly flooded the inbox on the 'A' account with messages from crazy-cat-ladies and middle-aged housewives (thinking they were talking to my parents) ranting about "do you know what your child is doing," "your son should be reported to the police," and the like (even though I never actually posted on the hater's board).  I think at most one lady messaged a dozen times just in one day... as I recall, you got 30 messages a month and then each message was $0.25 per beyond that.  Suffice to say, I earned Prodigy a few bucks back in the day.

That is pretty funny.

I remember I was in my first job out of college in Cleveland, OH and So. Cal had a major earthquake.  Phones were busy for days, couldn't get through.  We used Prodigy to track down to make sure my family was ok.  So Cal Prodigy users were willing to take that on by driving over to people's houses, make sure people were ok.  It was pretty cool....sort of like an electronic pigeon system during tough times.
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Blackhat on December 30, 2013, 08:57:37 PM
I'm obviously the Julius Caesar of MUScoop.  who's Caligula?
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Coleman on December 30, 2013, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Stone Cold on December 30, 2013, 08:57:37 PM
I'm obviously the Julius Caesar of MUScoop.  who's Caligula?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/modernday-caligula-orders-everything-bagel,34822/
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 30, 2013, 11:11:49 PM
Quote from: Stone Cold on December 30, 2013, 08:57:37 PM
I'm obviously the Julius Caesar of MUScoop.  who's Caligula?


(http://www.slantmagazine.com/assets/house/theater/caligulamaximus.jpg)
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 30, 2013, 11:15:37 PM
Quote from: Stone Cold on December 30, 2013, 08:57:37 PM
I'm obviously the Julius Caesar of MUScoop.  who's Caligula?

Unable to restrain his appetites, endlessly indulging his smallest whim.  Need you ask?
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 30, 2013, 11:17:19 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on December 30, 2013, 11:15:37 PM
Unable to restrain his appetites, endlessly indulging his smallest whim.  Need you ask?

the "Sultan?"

(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003616937/232615888_john_hurt_caligula_in_drag_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: Coleman on December 30, 2013, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: keefe on December 30, 2013, 11:11:49 PM

(http://www.slantmagazine.com/assets/house/theater/caligulamaximus.jpg)

Is that a giant phallus in the background?
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: keefe on December 30, 2013, 11:20:25 PM
Quote from: Bleuteaux on December 30, 2013, 11:19:32 PM
Is that a giant phallus in the background?

I thought it rather small, myself
Title: Re: The Decline and Fall of MUscoop
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 31, 2013, 07:59:01 AM
This thread is a great example.  Started with a fall of Scoop, ends with a huge decline.
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