Is anyone else getting sick of wades antics and immaturity on the court? The guy is one of the dirtiest players in the NBA and throws hissyfits regularly. I don't understand how the Marquette community can continue to idolize him the way we do. I understand what he's done for Marquette but I'm continually embarrassed by his cheap shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SJmyMfpbsMY#!
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 25, 2013, 02:21:24 PM
Is anyone else getting sick of wades antics and immaturity on the court? The guy is one of the dirtiest players in the NBA and throws hissyfits regularly. I don't understand how the Marquette community can continue to idolize him the way we do. I understand what he's done for Marquette but I'm continually embarrassed by his cheap shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SJmyMfpbsMY#!
A couple of those fouls look like fouls committed last year by players for Indiana.
And away we go.....
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 25, 2013, 02:21:24 PM
Is anyone else getting sick of wades antics and immaturity on the court? The guy is one of the dirtiest players in the NBA and throws hissyfits regularly. I don't understand how the Marquette community can continue to idolize him the way we do. I understand what he's done for Marquette but I'm continually embarrassed by his cheap shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SJmyMfpbsMY#!
Because he helped bring our program back to national prominence. All NBA stars are Premadonas. Wade begat the 3 Amigos, who begat Lazar, who begat DJO, Jay Crowder and Jimmy Butler. Respect what Wade did for MU. I'm sick of Heat haters. STFU. The Bulls decent with Rose and mediocre without him. Get over it.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 25, 2013, 02:21:24 PM
Is anyone else getting sick of wades antics and immaturity on the court? The guy is one of the dirtiest players in the NBA and throws hissyfits regularly. I don't understand how the Marquette community can continue to idolize him the way we do. I understand what he's done for Marquette but I'm continually embarrassed by his cheap shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SJmyMfpbsMY#!
hmm then you didnt watch the Pacers last season...they did the same thing.
Not sure what antics you are referring to. Would they be like when Hansborough jumped on top of Wade and then elbowed him in the back when he came down?
Or perhaps you are comparing to game 1 when I believe it was Hill who grabbed Wade by the ankle when
Wade had a free path to the basket.
Or maybe it was like the cheap shot elbow that West gave to James in game 2.
Fface it, it is the NBA, and there is plenty of that useless crap going around by many players.
you have the youtube clip of wade winning the volunteer of the year award from the nba last night as well?
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 25, 2013, 02:21:24 PM
Is anyone else getting sick of wades antics and immaturity on the court? The guy is one of the dirtiest players in the NBA and throws hissyfits regularly. I don't understand how the Marquette community can continue to idolize him the way we do. I understand what he's done for Marquette but I'm continually embarrassed by his cheap shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SJmyMfpbsMY#!
No. He is a great player, and seemingly a classy person off the court. Wade is still an outstanding representative of the MU family. I sometimes think that some people's hatred of all things Crean or all things Lebron / "The Decision" has clouded their perspective on Wade.
Also, Bulls fans seem to have generally "cooled" on him, but of course that has nothing to do with his decision to not play for their team.
Other than perhaps Tim Duncan widely regarded as the poster boy of NBA. We are lucky to have him affiliated with our university. How many basketball programs can say they produced Hall of Famers? Gold Medalists? Sportsmen of the Year? Multiple NBA champions? Top 5 NBA draftees? On and on. He plays to win. I am sick of sour grapes Bulls fans.
Quote from: Knight Commission on May 25, 2013, 04:08:58 PM
Other than perhaps Tim Duncan widely regarded as the poster boy of NBA. We are lucky to have him affiliated with our university. How many basketball programs can say they produced Hall of Famers? Gold Medalists? Sportsmen of the Year? Multiple NBA champions? Top 5 NBA draftees? On and on. He plays to win. I am sick of sour grapes Bulls fans.
It isn't just sour grapes of Bulls fans. There are many Heat Haters out there. There were many posts on this board during the Bulls series about Wade whining. I watched all the games and did not witness any Wade whining but saw a lot of Bull whining and cheap shots.
Wade has taken a tremendous pounding during his Hall of fame career, yet people complain that he is a dirty player. If he is a dirty player, then that label also must be placed on a hell of a lot of other NBA players.
I think for the most part Wade behaves in a positive manner and for the most part we can all be proud he went to Marquette.
Quote from: avid1010 on May 25, 2013, 03:40:22 PM
you have the youtube clip of wade winning the volunteer of the year award from the nba last night as well?
Amen! One could argue that Wade being recognized last night with the Community Assist Award last night, is the most impressive accolade of them all.
Off the court he's a fine representative but his on-court antics are childish and immature. I'm not sure why the Pacers or Bulls have been brought up as I didn't make any comparisons. I mentioned that he did great things for our university but that doesn't give him a pass to be a big baby on the court. Not all stars are like that and that's not an excuse even if they were.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 25, 2013, 08:39:45 PM
Off the court he's a fine representative but his on-court antics are childish and immature. I'm not sure why the Pacers or Bulls have been brought up as I didn't make any comparisons. I mentioned that he did great things for our university but that doesn't give him a pass to be a big baby on the court. Not all stars are like that and that's not an excuse even if they were.
Please just post the pic if you in your Joakim Noah jersey. You are a dummy. Go back to the badger board you wad.
Crean sucks
Quote from: MUSF on May 25, 2013, 03:59:02 PM
I sometimes think that some people's hatred of all things Crean has clouded their perspective on Wade.
Not really. Wade is a gifted athlete, loving father, and contributing member of his community.
Tom Crean is an arrogant, self-centered, self-serving a$$hole.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 25, 2013, 02:21:24 PM
Is anyone else getting sick of wades antics and immaturity on the court? The guy is one of the dirtiest players in the NBA and throws hissyfits regularly. I don't understand how the Marquette community can continue to idolize him the way we do. I understand what he's done for Marquette but I'm continually embarrassed by his cheap shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SJmyMfpbsMY#!
Honestly, watched the entire video didn't see anything that really bothered me. Haters gonna hate. He competes, occasionally that makes him over react to stuff that happens in the game. Big deal. If that bothers you, you better hate on just about everyone in the NBA, definitely all the big stars.
The only time Wade has embarrassed himself or MU was when he was givin Star Jones a ride on the bone roller coaster.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 25, 2013, 10:15:17 PM
The only time Wade has embarrassed himself or MU was when he was givin Star Jones a ride on the bone roller coaster.
Perhaps the darkest day in the storied annals of Marquette basketball. Truly.
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Quote from: Wade for President on May 25, 2013, 06:26:57 PM
Amen! One could argue that Wade being recognized last night with the Community Assist Award last night, is the most impressive accolade of them all.
We owe a lot to Dwyane Wade. He raised the visability of the program. He almost overnight increased enrollment at MU, which allowed the university to become more selective. It made our degrees more valuable.
But, by no means do I consider Wade a good guy. Most importantly, he committed to his wife and kids, and then hooked up with every girl possible. His wife was actually a pretty down to earth person and intelligent. Wade became famous and strayed, which I have zero respect for. I don't know the personal lives of Wes, Jimmy, Jae, etc., but it is pretty easy to see through the books and awards of Wade.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 25, 2013, 10:15:17 PM
The only time Wade has embarrassed himself or MU was when he was givin Star Jones a ride on the bone roller coaster.
Givin' Jones the one-eyed snake was no where near as embarassin' as rockin' IU shorts.
Quote from: Waryours on May 26, 2013, 12:48:32 AM
We owe a lot to Dwyane Wade. He raised the visability of the program. He almost overnight increased enrollment at MU, which allowed the university to become more selective. It made our degrees more valuable.
But, by no means do I consider Wade a good guy. Most importantly, he committed to his wife and kids, and then hooked up with every girl possible. His wife was actually a pretty down to earth person and intelligent. Wade became famous and strayed, which I have zero respect for. I don't know the personal lives of Wes, Jimmy, Jae, etc., but it is pretty easy to see through the books and awards of Wade.
It is easy for you to sit her and pass judgement him...but you can't. I knew the minute he hooked up with Miami and Shaq and went down to South Beach he was done. I bet he knew it deep down after one month there as well.
We all would have fell into that trap if we were him and don't lie and say you wouldn't be tested in that way. You are not in his shoes nor do you have his talent and face the temptations and tests that being drafted by Pat Riley and the Miami Heat.
Of all places in the country for him to go to Miami Florida and South Beach. Come on now...get with it. Fans should just stay fans and stay out of his person life that has nothing to do with you.
He is was and is the godsend this program needed. 10 years later you could not ask for a greater elevation then the MU program took all because or indirectly because of him and his time here helping instill the MU 'Brand' that has helped pave the way for others to make it to the NBA on their own merits.
But I respect him be even more with his work with the Boys & Girls Clubs and his example with Fatherhood in writing his own book on the subject of which you have to remember
he came to MU with a newborn baby infant to look after and juggled them both while in college playing at a high level and pretty much had an obligation to marry his high school sweetheart with no pre-nupital agreement no less.
It became harder and harder to maintain a great deal of his beliefs with the amount of fame, fortune. and groupies and Gold diggers chasing him down and around South Beach and everywhere. God's Grace might be sufficient for him in that area. So I just leave that part alone because I am not perfect either and I am not Jesus, and neither is no one here.
And how in the heck do you figure he "hooked up" with every girl possible? How do you know? And at times the girls probably ran him down too! It is not always the man chasing women down I might add. And may I ask also, what business if that of yours? What does that matter? Dwayne is a grown man...peeves me off when fans do this...Wade has kept his nose quite clean compared to most.
He is a tremendous basketball player when he is not kicking guys in the nuts and not getting back on defense whining about a call, that is beneath him and makes him look cheap at times but no one is perfect.
If I was his friend I would even tell him to just respect the game at all times I say especially when it has been as good to you as it has him. HE gets his fair share of calls...play through it.
But from what I have seen a great young man off the court too. I bet his family is proud of him and his boys [sons] and in the end...that is all that matters.
Lets just enjoy our lives...shall we?
Quote from: keefe on May 25, 2013, 10:25:48 PM
Perhaps the darkest day in the storied annals of Marquette basketball. Truly.
(http://midgetspar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Star-Jones-Fat.jpg)
Are you kidding? Is that Star Jones? Wade could not be that desperate for poontang. Then again, I have been cautioned to not believe everything I read, so I choose not to believe this.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 25, 2013, 10:15:17 PM
The only time Wade has embarrassed himself or MU was when he was givin Star Jones a ride on the bone roller coaster.
Wearing those capri pants has to be a close second.
James is the crybaby, not Wade. I have watched too many instances of James throwing s fit to an official that would have gotten most other players tossed.
The most egregious example? When he screamed at the officials after getting a T versus the Bucks. And they took it back.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 25, 2013, 02:21:24 PM
Is anyone else getting sick of wades antics and immaturity on the court?
To summarize the responses so far...no.
What you're referring to as "childish play" is more likely his reaction to getting constantly beat down and dinged up all the time. By your standards he's not allowed to get frustrated from time to time. Dwyane Wade is as classy a guy as there is in pro sports, and we're lucky he's part of the Marquette community.
I remember seeing a story on ESPN many years back where he visited a sick boy at his house and then had the kid and his family at a Heat playoff game as his guest. During the time Wade was at the kid's house, he was wearing a Marquette warm up outfit.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 26, 2013, 05:59:21 AM
Are you kidding? Is that Star Jones? Wade could not be that desperate for poontang. Then again, I have been cautioned to not believe everything I read, so I choose not to believe this.
The picture shown was prior to a massive weight loss.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 26, 2013, 04:40:12 AM
Givin' Jones the one-eyed snake was no where near as embarassin' as rockin' IU shorts.
A man may change his pants but he can never expunge the repugnance of a loathsome encounter. Show me the man who has not cringed in pain, anger and humiliation at the memory of discommodious companionship. The prism of alcohol or forlorn circumstance often elevates the cheap and tawdry into sublime artistry.
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You guys realize the entire basis of the Star Jones rumor is because the two stood next to each other briefly in the stands at a tennis match right?
Wade is the best thing to happen to MU in 35+ years and there is no close second.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on May 26, 2013, 01:18:08 PM
You guys realize the entire basis of the Star Jones rumor is because the two stood next to each other briefly in the stands at a tennis match right?
Yea, but that's not nearly as funny
Quote from: keefe on May 26, 2013, 12:48:15 PM
A man may change his pants but he can never expunge the repugnance of a loathsome encounter. Show me the man who has not cringed in pain, anger and humiliation at the memory of discommodious companionship. The prism of alcohol or forlorn circumstance often elevates the cheap and tawdry into sublime artistry.
A wise man once told me: "you can drink em pretty, but you can't drink em skinny".
Quote from: Jajuannaman on May 26, 2013, 01:18:08 PM
Wade is the best thing to happen to MU in 35+ years and there is no close second.
I'd put Buzz's arrival at #1, Wade at #2.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on May 26, 2013, 01:18:08 PM
You guys realize the entire basis of the Star Jones rumor is because the two stood next to each other briefly in the stands at a tennis match right?
Wade is the best thing to happen to MU in 35+ years and there is no close second.
I agree, but again, that does not mean his behaviors cannot be questioned. I understand the opinion that Wade is a fantastic human if you don't watch the NBA because, again, I agree he's great off the court, but on the court he throws embarrassing temper tantrums and to deny that is asinine (his flying elbow in the last game for example).
I wanted a gauge of the Marquette family's opinion on Wade's current status and got one. I never had the intention to debate his impact for Marquette as that would be equally stupid. I appreciate the responses.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2013, 02:02:07 PM
I'd put Buzz's arrival at #1, Wade at #2.
I'll second that.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2013, 02:02:07 PM
I'd put Buzz's arrival at #1, Wade at #2.
I'd reverse the two at this point, but Buzz has the opportunity to pass him if he takes us to multiple final fours, stays for another decade at least, and becomes a household name/college hoops legend. I think the odds are actually fairly good that will happen (I'm as high or higher on Buzz as anyone), but as of right now I'd still say Wade.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on May 26, 2013, 02:18:14 PM
I'd reverse the two at this point, but Buzz has the opportunity to pass him if he takes us to multiple final fours, stays for another decade at least, and becomes a household name/college hoops legend. I think the odds are actually fairly good that will happen (I'm as high or higher on Buzz as anyone), but as of right now I'd still say Wade.
Where does the moving van pulling up to the Crean residence in Mequon rate?
Quote from: keefe on May 26, 2013, 02:21:25 PM
Where does the moving van pulling up to the Crean residence in Mequon rate?
Haha I'm willing to give the van itself some credit for Buzz being here
Going after Hibbert head high is as low class as it gets.
Class is getting tatooed night after night, you stick it up the opponents azz with your on the court play.
No excuses. I don't give 2 doodies what a player did for MU in the day. Most of you are MU grads and know better.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on May 26, 2013, 02:18:14 PM
I'd reverse the two at this point, but Buzz has the opportunity to pass him if he takes us to multiple final fours, stays for another decade at least, and becomes a household name/college hoops legend. I think the odds are actually fairly good that will happen (I'm as high or higher on Buzz as anyone), but as of right now I'd still say Wade.
Well thought out. I have Wade #1 and Buzz #2 with a bullet. :)
Oh, and I've got jefferyweewee on "ignore".
Quote from: mu-rara on May 26, 2013, 03:00:08 PM
Going after Hibbert head high is as low class as it gets.
It's a good thing that Wade went after Lance Stephenson's head. Otherwise he might be considered low class.
Quote from: mu-rara on May 26, 2013, 03:00:08 PM
Going after Hibbert head high is as low class as it gets.
Class is getting tatooed night after night, you stick it up the opponents azz with your on the court play.
No excuses. I don't give 2 doodies what a player did for MU in the day. Most of you are MU grads and know better.
you don't know what you're talking about and the nba disagrees as well.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on May 26, 2013, 01:18:08 PM
You guys realize the entire basis of the Star Jones rumor is because the two stood next to each other briefly in the stands at a tennis match right?
Wade is the best thing to happen to MU in 35+ years and there is no close second.
You are forgetting Otule and his perceived NBA creer, shutting down Hibbert and others.
Quote from: mu-rara on May 26, 2013, 03:00:08 PM
Going after Hibbert head high is as low class as it gets.
Class is getting tatooed night after night, you stick it up the opponents azz with your on the court play.
No excuses. I don't give 2 doodies what a player did for MU in the day. Most of you are MU grads and know better.
gvetting tatooed night after night and sticking it up the opponents kielbabsa with court play has been Wade's entire career.
Quote from: muhoops1 on May 25, 2013, 03:26:53 PM
The Bulls decent with Rose and mediocre without him.
Hmm, I can't respect anything you say regarding basketball from this point on.
Quote from: windyplayer on May 26, 2013, 07:42:01 PM
"The redesigned team logo will intimidate women and empower rape culture"
What the hell is this about?
Okay, how many of the Wade haters are not Chicago Bulls fans? Anyone?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2013, 01:54:32 PM
A wise man once told me: "you can drink em pretty, but you can't drink em skinny".
And thus was born "The Walk of Shame"
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Quote from: MUSF on May 26, 2013, 07:56:20 PM
Okay, how many of the Wade haters are not Chicago Bulls fans? Anyone?
Go onto any large NBA forum today and you'll find a thread about Wade's elbow he through. It's about a 50/50 split on whether he should be suspended tonight, not just upgraded to a flagrant. You'll also find a large group of people who believe he's a dirty player and many who don't think he's a superstar.
There's obviously a fair share of people who believe he's not dirty and is a superstar (mutually exclusive). You can choose to believe they are all Chicago fans if you'd like.
Quote from: keefe on May 26, 2013, 07:47:49 PM
What the hell is this about?
The new UCONN logo. Some female student has raised a ruckus about it.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 26, 2013, 08:34:22 PM
The new UCONN logo. Some female student has raised a ruckus about it.
This?? Pure horsesh1t. Why do people listen to idiots like this?
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Quote from: keefe on May 26, 2013, 08:14:33 PM
And thus was born "The Walk of Shame"
You are so funny!
Sometimes missing by inches could make everything better for the greater good.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 26, 2013, 08:15:38 PM
Go onto any large NBA forum today and you'll find a thread about Wade's elbow he through. It's about a 50/50 split on whether he should be suspended tonight, not just upgraded to a flagrant. You'll also find a large group of people who believe he's a dirty player and many who don't think he's a superstar.
There's obviously a fair share of people who believe he's not dirty and is a superstar (mutually exclusive). You can choose to believe they are all Chicago fans if you'd like.
I'm not talking about the greater NBA fan base, I'm talking about MU fans who now see Wade in a negative light. It's pretty common for many sports fans to hate on great players from other teams. I would assume it's pretty rare for fans of a college program to suddenly turn against their greatest pro alum. That's why I am curious to find out if there is a common thread here that may cause you all to suddenly get sick of Wade.
So, are you a Bulls fan? It's a simple question.
Quote from: MUSF on May 26, 2013, 09:02:22 PM
I'm not talking about the greater NBA fan base, I'm talking about MU fans who now see Wade in a negative light. It's pretty common for many sports fans to hate on great players from other teams. I would assume it's pretty rare for fans of a college program to suddenly turn against their greatest pro alum. That's why I am curious to find out if there is a common thread here that may cause you all to suddenly get sick of Wade.
So, are you a Bulls fan? It's a simple question.
Wade has fallen as a 'great' player, which is obvious as he plays this series. Too many minutes on those knees.
Quote from: PTM on May 26, 2013, 09:00:46 PM
You are so funny!
Sometimes missing by inches could make everything better for the greater good.
So let me understand you correctly. You are suggesting that if the two AK 47 rounds that hit me in the back in Afghanistan had been a few inches over and killed me that it would have made everything better?
You are beneath contempt.
Quote from: keefe on May 26, 2013, 09:06:09 PM
So let me understand you correctly. You are suggesting that if the two AK 47 rounds that hit me in the back in Afghanistan had been a few inches over and killed me that it would have made everything better?
You are beneath contempt.
Seriously, again, no one cares.
Quote from: keefe on May 26, 2013, 09:06:09 PM
So let me understand you correctly. You are suggesting that if the two AK 47 rounds that hit me in the back in Afghanistan had been a few inches over and killed me that it would have made everything better?
You are beneath contempt.
Breathe. We are talking about BBall.
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 26, 2013, 09:11:08 PM
Breathe. We are talking about BBall.
No, this guy "PTM" was not. He was referencing a war wound, suggesting it would have been better had the enemy fire killed an American service member. He is as despicable as those anti-abortion morons who protest Fallen Warrior funerals for the sake of publicity.
I would love to take that guy to a military hospital and let him see how funny war wounds are. There is not the slightest dignity or honor in his statement. I wonder if he would have the balls to say that to any service member's face?
nt
Quote from: PTM on May 26, 2013, 09:04:46 PM
Wade has fallen as a 'great' player, which is obvious as he plays this series. Too many minutes on those knees.
Says you... Bulls fan?
Will no one answer my question?
Quote from: MUSF on May 26, 2013, 09:20:31 PM
Says you... Bulls fan?
Will no one answer my question?
No, I'm a NBA fan. Still love Wade
His minutes are catching up though.
Quote from: PTM on May 26, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
No, I'm a NBA fan. Still love Wade
His minutes are catching up though.
Okay.
I disagree with your original point to some extent. I think he is still an elite player in the NBA, but his ability is probably a little lower than it was at his peak. Honestly, I think it's really hard to tell how good Wade is, when he shares the court with the best player in the world every night. I would still call him great though.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 26, 2013, 08:15:38 PM
Go onto any large NBA forum today and you'll find a thread about Wade's elbow he through. It's about a 50/50 split on whether he should be suspended tonight, not just upgraded to a flagrant. You'll also find a large group of people who believe he's a dirty player and many who don't think he's a superstar.
There's obviously a fair share of people who believe he's not dirty and is a superstar (mutually exclusive). You can choose to believe they are all Chicago fans if you'd like.
So if fans say its true it must be true. All that proves to be is that 50% are either idiots or hate Wade. I could not care less about Wade in the NBA. Watched that game live. Live and with the replay it looked like Stevenson stepped in front he kind of euro-stepped to the right to avoid him and pushed off with his forearm to make sure he didn't hurt himself or Stevenson.
Maybe he did it intentionally, who knows, but to come to that conclusion from the actual footage requires that you had presupposed that Wade is dirty or you are psychic.
Quote from: MUSF on May 26, 2013, 09:28:15 PM
Okay.
I disagree with your original point to some extent. I think he is still an elite player in the NBA, but his ability is probably a little lower than it was at his peak. Honestly, I think it's really hard to tell how good Wade is, when he shares the court with the best player in the world every night. I would still call him great though.
+1 well said actually. I just don't think he's the Top NBA Guy Lebron signed with anymorel
Quote from: PTM on May 26, 2013, 09:00:46 PM
You are so funny!
Sometimes missing by inches could make everything better for the greater good.
Cheap shot.
Quote from: MUSF on May 26, 2013, 09:02:22 PM
I'm not talking about the greater NBA fan base, I'm talking about MU fans who now see Wade in a negative light. It's pretty common for many sports fans to hate on great players from other teams. I would assume it's pretty rare for fans of a college program to suddenly turn against their greatest pro alum. That's why I am curious to find out if there is a common thread here that may cause you all to suddenly get sick of Wade.
So, are you a Bulls fan? It's a simple question.
I see. Yes I am a Bulls fan, though my growing distaste for Wade goes back before he "spurned" Chicago in the off-season if that's your theory. The year after he dominated on the Olympic team was when he first started to annoy me, though at that point I would have still taken him on the Bulls along with Bosh. I never wanted Lebron, though and I would only take Bosh on my team of the "big 3" based purely on personality.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 26, 2013, 11:17:58 PM
I see. Yes I am a Bulls fan, though my growing distaste for Wade goes back before he "spurned" Chicago in the off-season if that's your theory. The year after he dominated on the Olympic team was when he first started to annoy me, though at that point I would have still taken him on the Bulls along with Bosh. I never wanted Lebron, though and I would only take Bosh on my team of the "big 3" based purely on personality.
Well then it's a good thing you aren't involved in making personnel decisions for your Bulls. If you were they would continue to be perennial "also rans".
Can you honestly say that Wade would annoy you if he played for your team?
I'm also sick of Wade and think he's very immature on the court. So you've got my backing.
Quote from: oneposteagle on May 27, 2013, 12:03:46 AM
I'm also sick of Wade and think he's very immature on the court. So you've got my backing.
Well Onepost, please take it under advisement that many of us are also sick of the sick of Wade whiners. But hey, it is an opinion, and we should all be happy that we live in a country where we can still have one and voice it publically, but anonymously. Happy Memorial Day. And remember our fallen!
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 26, 2013, 11:17:58 PM
I see. Yes I am a Bulls fan, though my growing distaste for Wade goes back before he "spurned" Chicago in the off-season if that's your theory. The year after he dominated on the Olympic team was when he first started to annoy me, though at that point I would have still taken him on the Bulls along with Bosh. I never wanted Lebron, though and I would only take Bosh on my team of the "big 3" based purely on personality.
That is plain silly talk right there.
Quote from: MUSF on May 26, 2013, 11:30:05 PM
Well then it's a good thing you aren't involved in making personnel decisions for your Bulls. If you were they would continue to be perennial "also rans".
Can you honestly say that Wade would annoy you if he played for your team?
I'm a bucks fan and I would say yes. There are plenty of Bucks players who I find arrogant or dirty. Considering I would want to see Wade succeed due to his MU connection, I don't think my feelings will change if he played for the bucks
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on May 27, 2013, 09:38:25 AM
I'm a bucks fan and I would say yes. There are plenty of Bucks players who I find arrogant or dirty.
Any of those players also happen to be the best player ever to come out of your favorite college program, or happen to be one of the top two players on a championship caliber team?
Plenty of people hated Jordan when he was the best player on the planet, and for good reason. Now, how many Bulls fans got sick of Jordan and his antics? How many of those same Bulls fans hated Isaiah Thomas, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, etc.? See where I'm going with this? If Wade were winning championships in his home town, I find it hard to believe that those home town fans would be sick of his whining and "dirty play".
Gregg Doyel must be a Bulls fan. ::)
http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/22311531/way-of-wade-flopping-dirty-plays-for-the-win
Quote from: Pakuni on May 27, 2013, 12:39:45 PM
Gregg Doyel must be a Bulls fan. ::)
http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/22311531/way-of-wade-flopping-dirty-plays-for-the-win
Is Gregg Doyel a MU fan or alum?
Quote from: Pakuni on May 27, 2013, 12:39:45 PM
Gregg Doyel must be a Bulls fan. ::)
http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/22311531/way-of-wade-flopping-dirty-plays-for-the-win
Doyel is paid to have eyeballs on his article. Calling Wade a dirty player brings in eyeballs. Saying he is a good player does nothing.
Which article do you write?
Being a fan of Doyel's writing, I am 100% convinced that is his true opinion.
Quote from: forgetful on May 27, 2013, 12:51:01 PM
Doyel is paid to have eyeballs on his article. Calling Wade a dirty player brings in eyeballs. Saying he is a good player does nothing.
Which article do you write?
Yes, people worldwide are rushing online in search of negative commentary about Dwyane Wade.
I note you didn't dispute anything he wrote.
Quote from: forgetful on May 27, 2013, 12:51:01 PM
Doyel is paid to have eyeballs on his article. Calling Wade a dirty player brings in eyeballs. Saying he is a good player does nothing.
Which article do you write?
There's just the small matter of everyone agreeing with Doyel...
Quote from: keefe on May 26, 2013, 02:08:24 PM
I'll second that.
No Buzz, and maybe no Big East (2005-2012) w/out Wade. I get what you mean, Buzz may be best prize we won, but Wade and Crean are still more influential since they catalyzed the resurgence that to Buzz.
Bulls fans aren't the only ones who dislike the Heat. The best team is usually hated by the majority of the country. Yankees, Duke, Heat, Lakers, etc.
Why do Wisconsin people always turn it into an Illinois thing?
I'm a Bulls fan and I still like Wade. He was a great player but years of driving hard to the hoop have destroyed his body. I don't mind the flopping and complaining as most players do it and in the end its to help the team win. That's just how the NBA is.
I can't really defend him on some of these cheap shots though. They are straight up dirty.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 27, 2013, 05:54:59 PM
Bulls fans aren't the only ones who dislike the Heat. The best team is usually hated by the majority of the country. Yankees, Duke, Heat, Lakers, etc.
Why do Wisconsin people always turn it into an Illinois thing?
I'm a Bulls fan and I still like Wade. He was a great player but years of driving hard to the hoop have destroyed his body. I don't mind the flopping and complaining as most players do it and in the end its to help the team win. That's just how the NBA is.
I can't really defend him on some of these cheap shots though. They are straight up dirty.
You are missing the key component of this discussion. This isn't about the general NBA fan not liking Wade, it's about MU NBA fans that are turning against MU's best pro ever.
They are claiming that this is happening because he is a dirty player and a whiner. I don't believe that Wade's play / behavior are so egregious to cause his most loyal fan base to "get sick of him". I can easily see why a typical NBA fan may get tired of the Heat and Lebron/DWade, but not MU fans. This made me wonder if something else was behind the lack of love for DWade.
Many won't answer the question, but I would guess that the majority of those ON THIS BOARD that are starting to dislike Wade are also Bulls fans.
BTW, I'm not a Wisconsin person.
As Neil said "it's better to burn out than fade away" Dwyane may right now be playing on one leg, he may currently be a shadow of what he previously was, and I hope that is temporary, but he won't fade away. Dwyane will fight to the end like a Warrior and give all he has, right, wrong, but never indifferent. That's why I watch. That's why he remains important to Marquette fans. Maurice Lucas (RIP) will always be beloved to those who watched him play, he didn't play pretty, but did whatever it took. We have been spoiled with the success Dwyane has had and how easy it seemed to be. Maybe the athletisicism has started to diminished, but the heart of the lion remains strong! I am from Illinois and I do root for the Bulls, except when Nate forgets to pass the ball.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 27, 2013, 05:54:59 PM
Bulls fans aren't the only ones who dislike the Heat. The best team is usually hated by the majority of the country. Yankees, Duke, Heat, Lakers, etc.
Why do Wisconsin people always turn it into an Illinois thing?
I'm a Bulls fan and I still like Wade. He was a great player but years of driving hard to the hoop have destroyed his body. I don't mind the flopping and complaining as most players do it and in the end its to help the team win. That's just how the NBA is.
I can't really defend him on some of these cheap shots though. They are straight up dirty.
The problem is then, they are all dirty. I don't think there is a single player in the Heat/Pacers series that hasn't done something the equivalent of what the Wade cheap shots are. Its just that he is a star that it gets attention.
Andy Glockner tweeted the following FWIW:
@AndyGlockner: Good for @GreggDoyelCBS to call out Dwyane Wade for his gamesmanship and cheap plays. Been saying this for years.
@AndyGlockner: Wade is a great player -- surefire Hall of Famer -- but also resorts to cheap shots, flops and other unsavory things. Never liked it.
Quote from: forgetful on May 27, 2013, 09:58:10 PM
The problem is then, they are all dirty. I don't think there is a single player in the Heat/Pacers series that hasn't done something the equivalent of what the Wade cheap shots are. Its just that he is a star that it gets attention.
Pacers are the dirtiest team in the league.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on May 27, 2013, 10:32:23 PM
Andy Glockner tweeted the following FWIW:
@AndyGlockner: Good for @GreggDoyelCBS to call out Dwyane Wade for his gamesmanship and cheap plays. Been saying this for years.
@AndyGlockner: Wade is a great player -- surefire Hall of Famer -- but also resorts to cheap shots, flops and other unsavory things. Never liked it.
Another Bulls fan!
Quote from: Pakuni on May 27, 2013, 11:27:07 PM
Another Bulls fan!
Does he post on this board? Is he a MU fan?
I don't think anyone is claiming that every single person on earth that doesn't like Wade or thinks he's dirty / a whiner is a Bulls fan.
I don't understand your argument. Are you saying that, as MU fans, we should hold Wade to a LOWER standard than the average fan and overlook his whining, cheap shots, etc?
Quote from: avid1010 on May 26, 2013, 04:44:46 PM
you don't know what you're talking about and the nba disagrees as well.
The NBA reviewed it. They assessed a flagrant foul. How am I wrong?
I know what I saw. Dwy-Anne went head hunting. Defending him because he is our guy is against everything we were taught by the Jesuit fathers.
I have always been a Wade guy, until the latest rash of crap, beginning with kicking Sessions in the bag, oops, no it was when he took down Rondo, oops, it was when he decked Darren Collison. This is a trend.
No Defense. Dirty plays.
Quote from: forgetful on May 27, 2013, 09:58:10 PM
The problem is then, they are all dirty. I don't think there is a single player in the Heat/Pacers series that hasn't done something the equivalent of what the Wade cheap shots are. Its just that he is a star that it gets attention.
Lebron hasn't.
I love what Wade did for our school, but I can take him or leave him now.
Gregg Doyel on the other hand I can always do without. Hyperbole as a writing style grows tiresome very quickly.
Quote from: mu-rara on May 28, 2013, 08:22:03 AM
The NBA reviewed it. They assessed a flagrant foul. How am I wrong?
I know what I saw. Dwy-Anne went head hunting. Defending him because he is our guy is against everything we were taught by the Jesuit fathers.
I have always been a Wade guy, until the latest rash of crap, beginning with kicking Sessions in the bag, oops, no it was when he took down Rondo, oops, it was when he decked Darren Collison. This is a trend.
No Defense. Dirty plays.
Rondo is one of the dirtiest players/primadonnas in the game. Watch him some time. Hooks, elbows to the junk, etc. If Wade nailed him, it was payback for something Rondo did. Don't know anything about the Collison deal, but there are many dirty plays in the NBA--Many, Many, by many players. Watch Hansborough when he is in. He does not get many because he is a shorter minute guy, but that is his role. It is the NBA. Petition the Commisioner to clean it up!
Eamonn Brennan chimes in:
@eamonnbrennan: Yes! @GreggDoyelCBS joins the See Dwyane Wade For What He Is Club. Our truth is growing in the hearts of men.
Take off the blue and gold colored glasses people. His on the court demeanor leaves much to be desired.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 28, 2013, 08:59:10 AM
Rondo is one of the dirtiest players/primadonnas in the game. Watch him some time. Hooks, elbows to the junk, etc. If Wade nailed him, it was payback for something Rondo did. Don't know anything about the Collison deal, but there are many dirty plays in the NBA--Many, Many, by many players. Watch Hansborough when he is in. He does not get many because he is a shorter minute guy, but that is his role. It is the NBA. Petition the Commisioner to clean it up!
When your argument resorts to "other guys do it too!!!!" that usually means your premise sucks.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 27, 2013, 05:54:59 PM
Bulls fans aren't the only ones who dislike the Heat. The best team is usually hated by the majority of the country. Yankees, Duke, Heat, Lakers, etc.
Why do Wisconsin people always turn it into an Illinois thing?
I'm a Bulls fan and I still like Wade. He was a great player but years of driving hard to the hoop have destroyed his body. I don't mind the flopping and complaining as most players do it and in the end its to help the team win. That's just how the NBA is.
I can't really defend him on some of these cheap shots though. They are straight up dirty.
I agree with this. I am not a Bulls fan for the record- ...
I will always love D- Wade for what he did at MU and for MU, but I have viewed him in a different light over the years watching his NBA game. True, he is still a fantastic player. But I do get frustrated with what I view as maybe not dirty, but right on the edge of dirty, play over the past few years.
Not that he gives a rat's &*% what any of us think :-);
Wade didn't get the reputation as a dirty player until LeBron joined the Heat and fans began hating the team, but still respecting Wade. With the team winning it all last season, fans began admiring LeBron again. Someone needed to be the bad guy and since Wade had a hard foul that inadvertently broke Kobe's nose and another that dislocated Rondo's elbow, he's now been deemed a dirty player by the media. Ask the actual players who's the dirtiest and Wade is no where near the top of the list.
ADDITION:
Results from in April of 2012. I believe the players over Doyle or anyone on a message board.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nba.dirtiest.player/content.1.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nba.dirtiest.player/content.1.html)
Quote from: MUSF on May 27, 2013, 08:38:48 PM
You are missing the key component of this discussion. This isn't about the general NBA fan not liking Wade, it's about MU NBA fans that are turning against MU's best pro ever.
They are claiming that this is happening because he is a dirty player and a whiner. I don't believe that Wade's play / behavior are so egregious to cause his most loyal fan base to "get sick of him". I can easily see why a typical NBA fan may get tired of the Heat and Lebron/DWade, but not MU fans. This made me wonder if something else was behind the lack of love for DWade.
Many won't answer the question, but I would guess that the majority of those ON THIS BOARD that are starting to dislike Wade are also Bulls fans.
BTW, I'm not a Wisconsin person.
I think you're right that for some here Wade lost his status as untouchable and above criticism when he rejected the Bulls, but recently he has supplied those critics with a boatload of ammunition. Let's turn the tables for a moment. Just how much bad behavior (flopping, whining, cheap shots, etc.) can Wade exhibit before Marquette fans are allowed to be embarrassed? If everybody does it, why are guys with no ax to grind like Doyel and Glockner singling Wade out? As a Marquette/Wade fan I'm saddened to see what Wade is doing to his own reputation/legacy. Aren't you?
Quote from: Wade for President on May 25, 2013, 06:26:57 PM
Amen! One could argue that Wade being recognized last night with the Community Assist Award last night, is the most impressive accolade of them all.
Hahahah. Good one.
My respect level for wade went down after he believed and stated numerous times that Olympic Athletes should be paid for competing in the games. Big No-No for me.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 28, 2013, 09:33:12 AM
Wade didn't get the reputation as a dirty player until LeBron joined the Heat and fans began hating the team, but still respecting Wade. With the team winning it all last season, fans began admiring LeBron again. Someone needed to be the bad guy and since Wade had a hard foul that inadvertently broke Kobe's nose and another that dislocated Rondo's elbow, he's now been deemed a dirty player by the media. Ask the actual players who's the dirtiest and Wade is no where near the top of the list.
ADDITION:
Results from in April of 2012. I believe the players over Doyle or anyone on a message board.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nba.dirtiest.player/content.1.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nba.dirtiest.player/content.1.html)
True in a sense. When Lebron joined the Heat, Wade was no longer the best player on the team, and stopped getting some calls he used to. Instead of moving on, he has turned into a pretty big whiner. I think the dirty plays/hard fouls have come about because he is sick of the league beating on him and James as a strategy to defeat them. But, as others have pointed out, Lebron has not responded to this in the same way Wade has. He takes the hits and makes them pay through his play. Wade's diminishing skills also probably add to his frustration. He is only averaging 14 PPG in the playoffs this year and his knees are obviously bothering him. All of this makes for a testy D Wade. I don't think he is the dirtiest player in the league, but I really think the only thing actually making me root for him at times is because he went to MU. Otherwise, as others have said, I could take him or leave him.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 28, 2013, 09:44:01 AM
I think you're right that for some here Wade lost his status as untouchable and above criticism when he rejected the Bulls, but recently he has supplied those critics with a boatload of ammunition. Let's turn the tables for a moment. Just how much bad behavior (flopping, whining, cheap shots, etc.) can Wade exhibit before Marquette fans are allowed to be embarrassed? If everybody does it, why are guys with no ax to grind like Doyel and Glockner singling Wade out? As a Marquette/Wade fan I'm saddened to see what Wade is doing to his own reputation/legacy. Aren't you?
Nailed it.
I love and appreciate all that Wade has done for Marquette and was a HUGE fan of his early NBA career. And I think he's a fantastic guy off the court.
But only the most pollyanna of DWade fans fail to see how his on-court game/demeanor has changed significantly for the worse and the once-humble superstar has become the embodiment of the entitled superstar. This bothers me not because I dislike Wade, but because I like him and, as a onetime fan, it's painful to watch a guy whose game you once admired morph into a guy whose game you despise.
And, fwiw, I don't see anything contradictory about being appreciative for Wade's contributions to Marquette while also expressing distaste for the way he now plays in the NBA.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 28, 2013, 09:23:21 AM
When your argument resorts to "other guys do it too!!!!" that usually means your premise sucks.
+1000
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 28, 2013, 08:27:33 AM
Lebron hasn't.
Lebron reached in (should have been a foul) on hibbert. Proceeded to give him a bear hug and swing him around about 15 seconds after the whistle blew for the jump ball.
That is equally dirty/premadonna'ish as some of the crap people are blaming on wade.
Quote from: Knight Commission on May 25, 2013, 04:08:58 PM
Other than perhaps Tim Duncan widely regarded as the poster boy of NBA. We are lucky to have him affiliated with our university. How many basketball programs can say they produced Hall of Famers? Gold Medalists? Sportsmen of the Year? Multiple NBA champions? Top 5 NBA draftees? On and on. He plays to win. I am sick of sour grapes Bulls fans.
so true.
Quote from: forgetful on May 28, 2013, 10:01:56 AM
Lebron reached in (should have been a foul) on hibbert. Proceeded to give him a bear hug and swing him around about 15 seconds after the whistle blew for the jump ball.
That is equally dirty/premadonna'ish as some of the crap people are blaming on wade.
Well, you can choose to view it that way if you wish. But be prepared for a lot of people to disagree with you.
I love Wade.
Always will.
That is all.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 28, 2013, 09:23:21 AM
When your argument resorts to "other guys do it too!!!!" that usually means your premise sucks.
+1000. Beat me to it. No one is questioning what D Wade for MU WHATSOEVER. But to watch the NBA regular season, Playoffs, even the All-Star game, and see Wade pull this bullshit on a consistent basis gets awfully tiresome. You can be the biggest Wade fan in the world, but don't be so ignorant when the facts are laid out right in front of you.
And no, I'm not a Bulls fan.
Quote from: oneposteagle on May 28, 2013, 12:43:07 PM
+1000. Beat me to it. No one is questioning what D Wade for MU WHATSOEVER. But to watch the NBA regular season, Playoffs, even the All-Star game, and see Wade pull this bullcrap on a consistent basis gets awfully tiresome. You can be the biggest Wade fan in the world, but don't be so ignorant when the facts are laid out right in front of you.
And no, I'm not a Bulls fan.
Give examples of "this bullcrap," if you would please. The Kobe foul and Rondo foul were already mentioned. Name 6-8 more instances.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 28, 2013, 12:51:46 PM
Give examples of "this bullcrap," if you would please. The Kobe foul and Rondo foul were already mentioned. Name 6-8 more instances.
A few more of Dwyane's greatest hits:
- flagrant elbow to head of Lance Stephenson in Game 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBVK0CDo8O0
- flagrant foul to Darren Collison in last year's playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZVLTqV-fRE
- kicks Ramon Sessions below the belt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFcq0WbXo2U
- shoves Rip Hamilton out of bounds because of something
http://youtu.be/NlTIFCPxqgw
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 28, 2013, 12:51:46 PM
Give examples of "this bullcrap," if you would please. The Kobe foul and Rondo foul were already mentioned. Name 6-8 more instances.
Cmon...
Two Grantland columnists today, include a Marquette alumnus, are claiming he is a dirty player.
Open your eyes.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 28, 2013, 01:39:14 PM
A few more of Dwyane's greatest hits:
- flagrant elbow to head of Lance Stephenson in Game 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcNBqz1WyeE
- flagrant foul to Darren Collison in last year's playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcNBqz1WyeE
- kicks Ramon Sessions below the belt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKp5UOewwow&feature=player_embedded
- shoves Rip Hamilton out of bounds because of something
http://youtu.be/NlTIFCPxqgw
First two links are the same. The third link doesn't work.
Fourth link is pretty glaring, though... yikes...
Wade's game was forged in a backyard driveway being repeatedly knocked to the concrete by his father any time he went to the hoop. It made him a cold-blooded killer with a reptilian brain geared toward buckets & victory; it's why he's fearless in the paint and a two-time NBA champ. It's also why LeBron needed to come to his team, not the other way around. I love every aspect of his game and always will.
Let's see...we've got 6-8 instances of "dirty" plays some of which, like the most recent Lance Stephenson deathblow to the head, are comically overblown, over a 10 year career and now Wade is the "Dirtiest Player in the NBA"? Let's all go overboard, shall we.
Quote from: warrior07 on May 28, 2013, 01:47:35 PM
First two links are the same. The third link doesn't work.
Fourth link is pretty glaring, though... yikes...
Thanks. I've tried new links.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 28, 2013, 01:40:52 PM
Cmon...
Two Grantland columnists today, include a Marquette alumnus, are claiming he is a dirty player.
Open your eyes.
Two columnists on Grantland! Oh my! That's an unbiased, be-all, end-all! I guess I should just admit that Wade is the dirtiest player ever to play organized sports.
Like I said before, I'll take the players' opinions over those of any sportwriter or message board poster.
Has Wade committed some hard fouls? Sure, he has. Have players like Reggie Evans, Matt Barnes and Anderson Varejao committed 2-3 times as many in the past couple of years? Yes. Are any of those guys All-Stars on the best team in the NBA? Nope. That's why no one cares about them and that's why Wade's hard fouls are blown completely out of proportion.
Open your eyes.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 28, 2013, 01:59:45 PM
Let's see...we've got 6-8 instances of "dirty" plays some of which, like the most recent Lance Stephenson deathblow to the head, are comically overblown, over a 10 year career and now Wade is the "Dirtiest Player in the NBA"? Let's all go overboard, shall we.
Who called him the "Dirtiest Player in the NBA?" (It doesn't do you any good to introduce strawmen into your argument.)
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 28, 2013, 02:06:16 PM
Two columnists on Grantland! Oh my! That's an unbiased, be-all, end-all! I guess I should just admit that Wade is the dirtiest player ever to play organized sports.
I guess the idea of having a reasonable discussion on the topic is foreign to you. No one claimed that he was the dirtiest player to play organized sports...or in the NBA...your strawmen won't work with me.
He is dirtier than the average player...way dirtier than the average super star player...and has been getting worse over the course of his career.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 28, 2013, 01:59:45 PM
Let's see...we've got 6-8 instances of "dirty" plays some of which, like the most recent Lance Stephenson deathblow to the head, are comically overblown, over a 10 year career and now Wade is the "Dirtiest Player in the NBA"? Let's all go overboard, shall we.
Problem is, these things didn't happen "over a 10 year career."
They happened over a span of about two years, which further speaks to his evolution as a dirty player.
Somehow methinks if a 6'4". 220-pound man took a running/flying elbow at the back of your head, you wouldn't feel it's so overblown.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 28, 2013, 02:09:12 PM
I guess the idea of having a reasonable discussion on the topic is foreign to you. No one claimed that he was the dirtiest player to play organized sports...or in the NBA...your strawmen won't work with me.
He is dirtier than the average player...way dirtier than the average super star player...and has been getting worse over the course of his career.
"your strawmen won't work with me." That line actually made me laugh out loud!
Since you like to remind us that you're smarter than everyone else here, I'm surprised you can't see the difference between a straw man and someone mocking you.
Did you even read the rest of my post? Based on your response, I'd say no.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63415/dwyane-wade-is-awful-dwyane-wade-is-great (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63415/dwyane-wade-is-awful-dwyane-wade-is-great)
One of the grantland articles. I didn't see it posted, but I'm on my phone so sorry if I missed it.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 28, 2013, 02:15:36 PM
"your strawmen won't work with me." That line actually made me laugh out loud!
Since you like to remind us that you're smarter than everyone else here, I'm surprised you can't see the difference between a straw man and someone mocking you.
Did you even read the rest of my post? Based on your response, I'd say no.
So I guess you decided not to actually argue the point any longer and would rather engage in hyperbole and insults instead. No problem.
And I did read what you wrote but thought you were wrong. Here....I will respond:
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 28, 2013, 02:06:16 PM
Has Wade committed some hard fouls? Sure, he has. Have players like Reggie Evans, Matt Barnes and Anderson Varejao committed 2-3 times as many in the past couple of years? Yes. Are any of those guys All-Stars on the best team in the NBA? Nope. That's why no one cares about them and that's why Wade's hard fouls are blown completely out of proportion.
I think you are wrong.
Does that make you feel better?
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on May 28, 2013, 02:20:51 PM
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63415/dwyane-wade-is-awful-dwyane-wade-is-great (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63415/dwyane-wade-is-awful-dwyane-wade-is-great)
One of the grantland articles. I didn't see it posted, but I'm on my phone so sorry if I missed it.
The other one:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9317718/the-miami-heat-indiana-pacers-nba-eastern-conference-finals
The Weaselization of Dwyane Wade
I'm not exactly sure when it happened, but Dwyane Wade has become one of the least-liked players around the NBA, jersey sales notwithstanding. In 2006, when he and Haslem and the rest of the Heat won the title, putting him one ring ahead of his immediate contemporaries, James and Carmelo Anthony, he was the charming kid from Marquette who played himself off of Proposition 48 and into the Final Four, and then to an NBA title. Now, people in Indiana are convinced they can make him cry, and some of the stuff he does on the court can have the same effect on the shade of James Naismith in the Beyond.
In the fourth quarter of Game 2 on Friday, Wade came up behind Lance Stephenson of the Pacers and delivered — God knoweth why — a flying elbow that would have done Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka proud. (The TNT crew proceeded to disgrace itself by trying to argue that the blow was "inadvertent." The only inadvertent thing about it was that Stephenson's head got in the way.) The Pacers, and especially coach Frank Vogel, kept remarkably cool about it, but the NBA took an ungainly dive. And speaking of ungainly dives, in Game 3 on Sunday, Wade found himself stymied under the basket by Indiana's Ian Mahinmi, and Wade responded as though he'd been shot by a sniper somewhere in the third balcony. I mean, there are dives taken in Serie A that look more realistic than this one did. The crowd in Indiana went absolutely hysterical.
In December, Wade was suspended for kicking Charlotte Bobcats guard Ramon Sessions with a blow in that southern part of the body that usually draws the attention of the Nevada Boxing Commission. Prior to that, he'd gotten himself involved in incidents with Rajon Rondo and Kobe Bryant. He insists he's not a dirty player, but suddenly there's an awful lot of weasel in the man's game. That dive he took Sunday because he had no other options available is not something that would have occurred to him six years ago. Reality makes you go out of the game young. Perception makes you go out of the game unpopular.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 28, 2013, 01:39:14 PM
A few more of Dwyane's greatest hits:
- flagrant elbow to head of Lance Stephenson in Game 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcNBqz1WyeE
- flagrant foul to Darren Collison in last year's playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcNBqz1WyeE
- kicks Ramon Sessions below the belt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKp5UOewwow&feature=player_embedded
- shoves Rip Hamilton out of bounds because of something
http://youtu.be/NlTIFCPxqgw
To this, I'll add Wade simply chucking Mike Bibby's shoes out of bounds and staring him down the entire way back down the court. Not a dirty play, but a definite douche move. And on top of all of this, he just bitches and moans so often that it's embarrassing to watch a lot of the time.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 28, 2013, 02:27:00 PM
So I guess you decided not to actually argue the point any longer and would rather engage in hyperbole and insults instead. No problem.
And I did read what you wrote but thought you were wrong. Here....I will respond:
I think you are wrong.
Does that make you feel better?
Why do you think I'm wrong? What's wrong about stating that Wade's fouls get more attention than role players' hard fouls? What's wrong about saying that I take the word of actual NBA players over the words of people who making a living trying to get people to read what they write?
And if the Wade apologists would just look at Gregg Doyel's article and other objective pieces, instead of just immediately dismissing them because you don't agree, then you wouldn't have to ask where all the evidence is. It's all right there.
This all started with the wearin' of the red IU shorts. He was fine 'til then.
If Wade was on a losing team and his antics were the same, as they have been in the last year or two, would some of the Wade apologists view him differently?
If your winning it's fine but when your losing...well
Quote from: damuts222 on May 28, 2013, 03:12:39 PM
If Wade was on a losing team and his antics were the same, as they have been in the last year or two, would some of the Wade apologists view him differently?
If your winning it's fine but when your losing...well
If Wade was on a losing team, no one would notice any of this stuff.
You can love Wade and think he's dirty - it's how I feel about JR Smith. I'm glad many others here recognize that he's a dirty player even with what he's done for our school.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 28, 2013, 02:07:13 PM
Who called him the "Dirtiest Player in the NBA?" (It doesn't do you any good to introduce strawmen into your argument.)
Seriously? The hyperbolic article from the guy you are such a fan of stated it not once but twice.
Quote from: Gregg Doyel
Someone has to say it, so I'll be the bad guy. No, wait. Dwyane Wade is the bad guy.
And that's how I'll say it:
Dwyane Wade is the bad guy. He's the worst guy in the NBA, when it comes to bad-guy stuff. Dirtiest player in the league? Yeah. That's Dwyane Wade. Look no farther for The Next Bruce Bowen, because he's here and headed to the Hall of Fame. Rare that a player as good as Dwyane Wade would be as devious, as dirty, as Dwyane Wade ... but there we are.
Dwyane Wade is the most devious, the most dirty player in the NBA.
The same guy that wrote this little gem:
Quote from: Gregg Doyel
Did I mention the forearm shiver to Lance Stephenson's head yet? That was in Game 2 of the Eastern Conference finals, and it was so bad, so dirty, that after studying it on film the NBA assessed Wade with a flagrant foul.
The HORROR! It was so bad, so dirty!!! He got a FLAGRANT 1!!! OH THE HUMANITY!!!
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 28, 2013, 04:01:22 PM
Seriously? The hyperbolic article from the guy you are such a fan of stated it not once but twice.
Thank you...I thought you were referring someone posting on Scoop.
I can see why you thought that.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 28, 2013, 02:09:17 PM
Problem is, these things didn't happen "over a 10 year career."
They happened over a span of about two years, which further speaks to his evolution as a dirty player.
Somehow methinks if a 6'4". 220-pound man took a running/flying elbow at the back of your head, you wouldn't feel it's so overblown.
I just got done watching the "flying elbow" to Lance Stephenson's head about 10 times. Maybe I'm biased, but I don't think it was a big deal and I don't think it was at all "dirty". Stephenson was moving in front of him to cut Wade off while Wade was in the air attempting to jump around him. He didn't extend his arm. He didn't swing his arm. He was pulling his arm through to get around the back side of Stephenson. The refs didn't call a foul (which is almost unbelievable given how closely this series has been called) and honestly I don't believe it was a foul.
Hard to determine intent in a play that happens that fast, and people obviously will make up their mind based on what they already think of Wade. I just don't see it in this particular case.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 28, 2013, 09:33:12 AM
Wade didn't get the reputation as a dirty player until LeBron joined the Heat and fans began hating the team, but still respecting Wade. With the team winning it all last season, fans began admiring LeBron again. Someone needed to be the bad guy and since Wade had a hard foul that inadvertently broke Kobe's nose and another that dislocated Rondo's elbow, he's now been deemed a dirty player by the media. Ask the actual players who's the dirtiest and Wade is no where near the top of the list.
ADDITION:
Results from in April of 2012. I believe the players over Doyle or anyone on a message board.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nba.dirtiest.player/content.1.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nba.dirtiest.player/content.1.html)
I have no idea how the data was gathered, but even assuming its accuracy that poll is 14 months old. Without question Dwyane's on court reputation has changed for the worse since the poll was taken.
I was thinking JefferyWeee IS Gregg Doyel...
http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/22311531/way-of-wade-flopping-dirty-plays-for-the-win (http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/22311531/way-of-wade-flopping-dirty-plays-for-the-win)
Interesting article, guess D-Wade caused global warming too, he's the new George Bush
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 28, 2013, 04:56:31 PM
I just got done watching the "flying elbow" to Lance Stephenson's head about 10 times. Maybe I'm biased, but I don't think it was a big deal and I don't think it was at all "dirty". Stephenson was moving in front of him to cut Wade off while Wade was in the air attempting to jump around him. He didn't extend his arm. He didn't swing his arm. He was pulling his arm through to get around the back side of Stephenson. The refs didn't call a foul (which is almost unbelievable given how closely this series has been called) and honestly I don't believe it was a foul.
Hard to determine intent in a play that happens that fast, and people obviously will make up their mind based on what they already think of Wade. I just don't see it in this particular case.
You don't think it was even a personal foul, yet the league reviewed it and assessed Wade a flagrant. If, as you say, they made up their mind based on what they already think of Dwyane, he's held in very low esteem by the NBA. Any even remote possibility there's a legit reason for that?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 28, 2013, 04:56:31 PM
I just got done watching the "flying elbow" to Lance Stephenson's head about 10 times. Maybe I'm biased, but I don't think it was a big deal and I don't think it was at all "dirty". Stephenson was moving in front of him to cut Wade off while Wade was in the air attempting to jump around him. He didn't extend his arm. He didn't swing his arm. He was pulling his arm through to get around the back side of Stephenson. The refs didn't call a foul (which is almost unbelievable given how closely this series has been called) and honestly I don't believe it was a foul.
Hard to determine intent in a play that happens that fast, and people obviously will make up their mind based on what they already think of Wade. I just don't see it in this particular case.
1. Yes, you're biased if you don't think that was dirty.
2. You're even more biased if you don't think hitting a guy in the head from behind qualifies as a foul. It wasn't called because it wasn't seen, not because the refs didn't believe it was a clean play. Even buying the "it wasn't intentional"
lie excuse, it's still a foul. Intent is not a determining factor in whether something is a personal foul or not.
3. Wade's track record helps establish intent.
Nice try.
A) I am not the NBA so comparing what I personally think to what the NBA did is the very definition of meaningless.
B) The NBA probably ruled it a Flagrant 1 so all the people with their panties in a bunch over it could get back to their lives while at the same time doing absolutely no damage to their product (this series). In other words, the Flagrant 1 is a PR move, nothing more.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 28, 2013, 05:52:17 PM
1. Yes, you're biased if you don't think that was dirty.
2. You're even more biased if you don't think hitting a guy in the head from behind qualifies as a foul. It wasn't called because it wasn't seen, not because the refs didn't believe it was a clean play. Even buying the "it wasn't intentional" lie excuse, it's still a foul. Intent is not a determining factor in whether something is a personal foul or not.
3. Wade's track record helps establish intent.
You are biased if you think that was dirty. That was super easy.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 28, 2013, 06:05:48 PM
Nice try.
A) I am not the NBA so comparing what I personally think to what the NBA did is the very definition of meaningless.
B) The NBA probably ruled it a Flagrant 1 so all the people with their panties in a bunch over it could get back to their lives while at the same time doing absolutely no damage to their product (this series). In other words, the Flagrant 1 is a PR move, nothing more.
You wrote "people will obviously make up their mind based on what they already think of Wade". If that's true, the people at the NBA office who deemed it a flagrant 1 must already think bad things about Dwyane.
Good Lord but this discussion epitomizes mental masturbation...
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Quote from: keefe on May 28, 2013, 07:43:16 PM
Good Lord but this discussion epitomizes mental masturbation...
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It's only worth bringing up because of the way he's idolized around here without pointing out any sort of flaw.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 28, 2013, 07:45:04 PM
It's only worth bringing up because of the way he's idolized around here without pointing out any sort of flaw.
The man ain't bucking for Archbishop of Canterbury. He's a professional athlete.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 28, 2013, 02:09:12 PM
I guess the idea of having a reasonable discussion on the topic is foreign to you. No one claimed that he was the dirtiest player to play organized sports...or in the NBA...your strawmen won't work with me.
He is dirtier than the average player...way dirtier than the average super star player...and has been getting worse over the course of his career.
Lets pick 5 superstar players, Carmelo, Wade, Lebron, Kobe and Durant.
Most Dirty, Kobe.
Second, Carmelo.
Third, We'll go with Wade
Fourth and Fifth Lebron/Durant.
So he would be roughly average, not way dirtier than the average super star player.
Other notable superstar players that clearly eclipse him, Paul, Garnett (not really a superstar anymore).
Do you just spout hyperbole at will, way dirtier than average...completely subjective and opinionated...impossible to prove.
Google any star player (sans Duncan) is dirty and you'll find numerous hits for it from random sports sites. Means absolutely nothing.
Quote from: forgetful on May 28, 2013, 08:06:10 PM
Lets pick 5 superstar players, Carmelo, Wade, Lebron, Kobe and Durant.
Most Dirty, Kobe.
Second, Carmelo.
Third, We'll go with Wade
Fourth and Fifth Lebron/Durant.
So he would be roughly average, not way dirtier than the average super star player.
Other notable superstar players that clearly eclipse him, Paul, Garnett (not really a superstar anymore).
Do you just spout hyperbole at will, way dirtier than average...completely subjective and opinionated...impossible to prove.
Google any star player (sans Duncan) is dirty and you'll find numerous hits for it from random sports sites. Means absolutely nothing.
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Quote from: Pakuni on May 28, 2013, 05:52:17 PM
1. Yes, you're biased if you don't think that was dirty.
2. You're even more biased if you don't think hitting a guy in the head from behind qualifies as a foul. It wasn't called because it wasn't seen, not because the refs didn't believe it was a clean play. Even buying the "it wasn't intentional" lie excuse, it's still a foul. Intent is not a determining factor in whether something is a personal foul or not.
3. Wade's track record helps establish intent.
It was a flagrant 1 because it was violent contact. Intentional or not, that's a flagrant 1. It was not ruled a flagrant 2 because it was clearly unintentional. He was trying to swing his arm through on kind of a swim move and caught him in the head. Vogel didn't have a problem with it. Teammates didn't have a problem with it.
Stephenson didn't have a problem with it! Why should anyone else?
I don't think he's extremely dirty. What bothers me a hell of a lot more is that he whines and complains about everything. Not the "dirty" plays, everyone has those. But he needs to stop acting out over everything. Becoming a little prima Donna.
All the guy does for MU...scholarships through Boys and Girls Club, helps with recruiting. Comes to games whenever he can. Just received NBA humanitarian award. Good father etc. yet, he gets ripped by his own. Pathetic.
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Quote from: willie warrior on May 26, 2013, 05:59:21 AM
Are you kidding? Is that Star Jones? Wade could not be that desperate for poontang. Then again, I have been cautioned to not believe everything I read, so I choose not to believe this.
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Nothin' better than some down home Indiana snatch.
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Quote from: keefe on May 28, 2013, 11:33:55 PM
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socket to me
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QuoteAll the guy does for MU...scholarships through Boys and Girls Club, helps with recruiting. Comes to games whenever he can. Just received NBA humanitarian award. Good father etc. yet, he gets ripped by his own. Pathetic.
Last I checked the thread is on his play on the court. Off the court he represents MU phenomenally...unless he's wearing capris or that Versace jacket.
Keefe apparently has the same CD that we do that contains every single New Yorker cartoon ever printed.
Quote from: warriorchick on May 29, 2013, 07:08:16 AM
Keefe apparently has the same CD that we do that contains every single New Yorker cartoon ever printed.
And everyone thought Gary Larsen was the best
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 28, 2013, 10:24:10 PM
Nothin' better than some down home Indiana snatch.
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Quote from: Gato78 on May 28, 2013, 09:50:49 PM
All the guy does for MU...scholarships through Boys and Girls Club, helps with recruiting. Comes to games whenever he can. Just received NBA humanitarian award. Good father etc. yet, he gets ripped by his own. Pathetic.
I think this is missing the point- at least for me...
I love Wade and always will!!- for what he did and has done for MU, on and off the court..
But I absolutely agree with those who see in the past few years of his play a rising level of dirty play, whining, etc that quite frankly sucks. I know many other players do it, but I hate to say Dwayne go there as much as he has...
Quote from: robertoc on May 29, 2013, 08:44:21 AM
I think this is missing the point- at least for me...
I love Wade and always will!!- for what he did and has done for MU, on and off the court..
But I absolutely agree with those who see in the past few years of his play a rising level of dirty play, whining, etc that quite frankly sucks. I know many other players do it, but I hate to say Dwayne go there as much as he has...
The man ain't bucking for Archbishop of Canterbury. He's a professional athlete.
If you are into the Mythology of Sports Personalities I recommend this book by Jane Leavy:
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Quote from: muwarrior97 on May 28, 2013, 05:00:21 PM
I was thinking JefferyWeee IS Gregg Doyel...
http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/22311531/way-of-wade-flopping-dirty-plays-for-the-win (http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/22311531/way-of-wade-flopping-dirty-plays-for-the-win)
Interesting article, guess D-Wade caused global warming too, he's the new George Bush
Perfect.
I got that in the 1st page of this thread but in classic scoop fashion (http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j293/Homebrew101/89321413.gif)
Quote from: jeffreyweee on May 28, 2013, 07:45:04 PM
It's only worth bringing up because of the way he's idolized around here without pointing out any sort of flaw.
Quote from: Red Stripe on May 29, 2013, 12:26:35 PM
I got that in the 1st page of this thread but in classic scoop fashion (http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j293/Homebrew101/89321413.gif)
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Quote from: keefe on May 29, 2013, 02:38:45 PM
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Pretty much a breakdown of my Facebook feed as well.
Quote from: PTM on May 29, 2013, 06:23:18 PM
Pretty much a breakdown of my Facebook feed as well.
Another truism...
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Quote from: keefe on May 29, 2013, 06:27:27 PM
Another truism...
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Nah, facebook has at least 10% random advertisements that no one in their right mind would be interested in.
Quote from: keefe on May 29, 2013, 08:24:52 AM
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Or as the picture depicts "indiana PoonTANG"
an ACC site discusses Doyel's article on Wade:
QuoteWe lost patience a while back with Gregg Doyel, so we really don't read his column very often anymore, primarily because he's a bully.
We heard his column slamming Dywane Wade partly read on Mike & Mike Tuesday morning, and something just jumped out at us. It has before, but it was different when someone actually reads it: the guy refers to himself incessantly.
In the Wade column, he did it sixteen or seventeen times.
Not liking the guy doesn't make him wrong. It probably just irritates you more that he is right.
You know, after watching Wade whine, slough off, and dog it in the playoffs, the Heat should just fire Wade or trade him. Draft Blue in the first round and Otule in the second and all will be good in the world.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 31, 2013, 01:34:26 PM
You know, after watching Wade whine, slough off, and dog it in the playoffs, the Heat should just fire Wade or trade him. Draft Blue in the first round and Otule in the second and all will be good in the world.
What makes you think Chris Otule will still be available in the Second Round of the NBA Draft?
Quote from: keefe on May 31, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
What makes you think Chris Otule will still be available in the Second Round of the NBA Draft?
I stand corrected--maybe a lottery pick. That would be close to the Bucks number in the draft.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 31, 2013, 01:34:26 PM
You know, after watching Wade whine, slough off, and dog it in the playoffs, the Heat should just fire Wade or trade him. Draft Blue in the first round and Otule in the second and all will be good in the world.
Good old hyperbole. Useful when you run out of actual arguments.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on June 01, 2013, 09:15:34 AM
Good old hyperbole. Useful when you run out of actual arguments.
Kind of like name calling, wouldn't you agree?
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on May 28, 2013, 07:04:54 AM
I don't understand your argument. Are you saying that, as MU fans, we should hold Wade to a LOWER standard than the average fan and overlook his whining, cheap shots, etc?
I know it's been a while, but here is what I am saying.
1. I don't think DWade is a dirty player, certainly not the dirtiest player in the NBA. I will admit that he has taken some cheap shots in his career, but he has also taken a serious beating throughout his career so I think some of his behavior is understandable, if not justified.
2. I don't believe that this many MU fans would suddenly decide that they are sick of the greatest MU player ever because of some questionable plays and complaining to the officials. I think most of those people have ulterior motives for being sick of Wade. I think they don't want to admit this, so they try to find other reasons to justify their feelings. Thus, threads like this are started.
Quote from: MUSF on June 01, 2013, 09:20:20 AM
I know it's been a while, but here is what I am saying.
1. I don't think DWade is a dirty player, certainly not the dirtiest player in the NBA. I will admit that he has taken some cheap shots in his career, but he has also taken a serious beating throughout his career so I think some of his behavior is understandable, if not justified.
2. I don't believe that this many MU fans would suddenly decide that they are sick of the greatest MU player ever because of some questionable plays and complaining to the officials. I think most of those people have ulterior motives for being sick of Wade. I think they don't want to admit this, so they try to find other reasons to justify their feelings. Thus, threads like this are started.
Like what?
Quote from: robertoc on May 29, 2013, 08:44:21 AM
I think this is missing the point- at least for me...
I love Wade and always will!!- for what he did and has done for MU, on and off the court..
But I absolutely agree with those who see in the past few years of his play a rising level of dirty play, whining, etc that quite frankly sucks. I know many other players do it, but I hate to say Dwayne go there as much as he has...
The problem with Wade's whining is that the other team is headed down the floor while Wade is on the floor spinning like a rotisserie chicken, waiting for a call. Which leaves his team with a 4 on 5, until Wade decides to trot down that court and play half ass because of the no call. Lebron is the same way sometimes. I don't think they are dirty players.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 03, 2013, 07:04:27 AM
Like what?
Is this sarcasm?
I think I've covered that, but since you asked...
Jilted Bulls fan.
Hate all things Crean and can't separate Wade and Crean, especially when Wade publicly recognizes Crean's contributions to his success.
Hate Lebron and "The Decision".
Quote from: MUSF on June 03, 2013, 08:33:28 PM
Is this sarcasm?
I think I've covered that, but since you asked...
Jilted Bulls fan.
Hate all things Crean and can't separate Wade and Crean, especially when Wade publicly recognizes Crean's contributions to his success.
Hate Lebron and "The Decision".
Do you hate Rose and his pansy sit out?
Quote from: willie warrior on June 03, 2013, 08:46:35 PM
Do you hate Rose and his pansy sit out?
No, but I did find the whole thing very odd. I probably would have been pretty frustrated if I were a Bulls fan.
Quote from: MUSF on June 03, 2013, 08:33:28 PM
Is this sarcasm?
I think I've covered that, but since you asked...
Jilted Bulls fan.
Hate all things Crean and can't separate Wade and Crean, especially when Wade publicly recognizes Crean's contributions to his success.
Hate Lebron and "The Decision".
So, do you think jilted Bulls fans and Crean and /or Lebron haters are the reason Doyel, Glockner, talk radio and fan bases (college and pro) were all over the idea of Dwyane playing dirty and being the league's #1 whiner? Funny thing, ever since this story (legitimately) blew up, DWade has shown a much different (better) demeanor on the court. Maybe he took it to heart and if so, good for him.
Wade is the greatest basketball player in Marquette's history. He has a compelling life story and he made every MU fan proud with the way he took the NBA by storm and with his off the court charitable activities. I loved the guy and the fact that I despised Tom Crean didn't change that in the least. Truth be told, I still root for him and always will. But I'm not blind. These wounds to his image are self inflicted and any MU fan who claims that we shouldn't be disappointed by his behavior of late either hasn't been paying attention or has overdosed on the kool aid.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 03, 2013, 10:11:43 PM
So, do you think jilted Bulls fans and Crean and /or Lebron haters are the reason Doyel, Glockner, talk radio and fan bases (college and pro) were all over the idea of Dwyane playing dirty and being the league's #1 whiner? Funny thing, ever since this story (legitimately) blew up, DWade has shown a much different (better) demeanor on the court. Maybe he took it to heart and if so, good for him.
No, again I think I've covered this. I am only interested in why MU fans (presumably Wade fans) would get sick of Wade. I don't think his behavior/play on the court is so egregious that a longtime fan would suddenly decide, "you know what, that Wade is a dirty player and a whiner, I'm going to stop liking him."
BTW, the fact that you can only cite two writers and the mysterious un-named, collective "talk radio / fan bases", indicates to me that your view of Wade isn't as widespread as you make it out to be. In fact Mike and Mike had Doyel on their show to take him to task about his over the top portrayal of Wade. Tim Legler flatly denied the idea that Wade is a dirty player on ESPN radio as well. He went on to explain that he hasn't heard that point of view from any of the players he talks to.
Quote from: MUSF on June 03, 2013, 10:33:43 PM
BTW, the fact that you can only cite two writers and the mysterious un-named, collective "talk radio / fan bases", indicates to me that your view of Wade isn't as widespread as you make it out to be.
Perhaps he hasn't had the time to do a complete survey. ::)
Quote from: MUSF on June 03, 2013, 08:33:28 PM
Is this sarcasm?
I think I've covered that, but since you asked...
Jilted Bulls fan.
Hate all things Crean and can't separate Wade and Crean, especially when Wade publicly recognizes Crean's contributions to his success.
Hate Lebron and "The Decision".
For the record-
I'm not a Bulls fan,
not a basher of Crean,
could care less about Lebron's decision..
and I still am in the group that is disappointed with what I have seen from Wade in recent years...
I really think you are off base with this. I love Wade, and quite frankly am grateful for what Crean did for MU...
Quote from: robertoc on June 04, 2013, 09:23:20 AM
grateful for what Crean did for MU...
Yes, his leaving in the middle of the night was a magnificent gift. The fact that he managed the transition as he did solidified his reputation as a gutless, vainglorious a$$.
Quote from: keefe on June 04, 2013, 12:16:21 PM
Yes, his leaving in the middle of the night was a magnificent gift. The fact that he managed the transition as he did solidified his reputation as a gutless, vainglorious a$$.
Not to turn this into a Crean thread; although there clearly aren't enough of those :-).
But no, I was more referring to the whole "bringing us back to national prominence and the only final four in my lifetime" thing...
But the point was more to the poster who keeps insisting all the Wade comments are either from Butt hurt Bulls fans or Crean haters, and I am neither!
Weewee may need the perma-ban for this thread title. Wade is the greatest thing to happen to MU basketball in my lifetime.
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Quote from: Stone Cold on June 10, 2013, 03:00:54 PM
Weewee may need the perma-ban for this thread title. Wade is the greatest thing to happen to MU basketball in my lifetime.
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You must have been born after 1977...
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on June 03, 2013, 09:23:48 AM
The problem with Wade's whining is that the other team is headed down the floor while Wade is on the floor spinning like a rotisserie chicken, waiting for a call. Which leaves his team with a 4 on 5, until Wade decides to trot down that court and play half ass because of the no call. Lebron is the same way sometimes. I don't think they are dirty players.
You obviously don't know how to cherry pick.
;)