Sick Of Wade

[mu-rara]

When your argument resorts to "other guys do it too!!!!" that usually means your premise sucks.

+1000

[forgetful]

Lebron hasn't. 

Lebron reached in (should have been a foul) on hibbert.  Proceeded to give him a bear hug and swing him around about 15 seconds after the whistle blew for the jump ball.

That is equally dirty/premadonna'ish as some of the crap people are blaming on wade.

[jaygall31]

Other than perhaps Tim Duncan widely regarded as the poster boy of NBA.  We are lucky to have him affiliated with our university. How many basketball programs can say they produced Hall of Famers? Gold Medalists? Sportsmen of the Year? Multiple NBA champions? Top 5 NBA draftees? On and on. He plays to win. I am sick of sour grapes Bulls fans.

so true.

[GGGG]

Lebron reached in (should have been a foul) on hibbert.  Proceeded to give him a bear hug and swing him around about 15 seconds after the whistle blew for the jump ball.

That is equally dirty/premadonna'ish as some of the crap people are blaming on wade.

Well, you can choose to view it that way if you wish.  But be prepared for a lot of people to disagree with you.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I love Wade.

Always will.

That is all.

[onepost]

When your argument resorts to "other guys do it too!!!!" that usually means your premise sucks.

+1000. Beat me to it. No one is questioning what D Wade for MU WHATSOEVER. But to watch the NBA regular season, Playoffs, even the All-Star game, and see Wade pull this bullshit on a consistent basis gets awfully tiresome. You can be the biggest Wade fan in the world, but don't be so ignorant when the facts are laid out right in front of you.

And no, I'm not a Bulls fan.

[MerrittsMustache]

+1000. Beat me to it. No one is questioning what D Wade for MU WHATSOEVER. But to watch the NBA regular season, Playoffs, even the All-Star game, and see Wade pull this bullcrap on a consistent basis gets awfully tiresome. You can be the biggest Wade fan in the world, but don't be so ignorant when the facts are laid out right in front of you.

And no, I'm not a Bulls fan.

Give examples of "this bullcrap," if you would please. The Kobe foul and Rondo foul were already mentioned. Name 6-8 more instances.

[Pakuni]

Give examples of "this bullcrap," if you would please. The Kobe foul and Rondo foul were already mentioned. Name 6-8 more instances.

A few more of Dwyane's greatest hits:

- flagrant elbow to head of Lance Stephenson in Game 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBVK0CDo8O0

- flagrant foul to Darren Collison in last year's playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZVLTqV-fRE

- kicks Ramon Sessions below the belt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFcq0WbXo2U

- shoves Rip Hamilton out of bounds because of something
http://youtu.be/NlTIFCPxqgw

[GGGG]

Give examples of "this bullcrap," if you would please. The Kobe foul and Rondo foul were already mentioned. Name 6-8 more instances.

Cmon...

Two Grantland columnists today, include a Marquette alumnus, are claiming he is a dirty player.

Open your eyes.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

A few more of Dwyane's greatest hits:

- flagrant elbow to head of Lance Stephenson in Game 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcNBqz1WyeE

- flagrant foul to Darren Collison in last year's playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcNBqz1WyeE

- kicks Ramon Sessions below the belt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKp5UOewwow&feature=player_embedded

- shoves Rip Hamilton out of bounds because of something
http://youtu.be/NlTIFCPxqgw

First two links are the same. The third link doesn't work.

Fourth link is pretty glaring, though... yikes...

[Silkk the Shaka]

Wade's game was forged in a backyard driveway being repeatedly knocked to the concrete by his father any time he went to the hoop. It made him a cold-blooded killer with a reptilian brain geared toward buckets & victory; it's why he's fearless in the paint and a two-time NBA champ.  It's also why LeBron needed to come to his team, not the other way around.  I love every aspect of his game and always will.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Let's see...we've got 6-8 instances of "dirty" plays some of which, like the most recent Lance Stephenson deathblow to the head, are comically overblown, over a 10 year career and now Wade is the "Dirtiest Player in the NBA"?  Let's all go overboard, shall we.  

[Pakuni]

First two links are the same. The third link doesn't work.

Fourth link is pretty glaring, though... yikes...

Thanks. I've tried new links.

[MerrittsMustache]

Cmon...

Two Grantland columnists today, include a Marquette alumnus, are claiming he is a dirty player.

Open your eyes.

Two columnists on Grantland! Oh my! That's an unbiased, be-all, end-all! I guess I should just admit that Wade is the dirtiest player ever to play organized sports.

Like I said before, I'll take the players' opinions over those of any sportwriter or message board poster.

Has Wade committed some hard fouls? Sure, he has. Have players like Reggie Evans, Matt Barnes and Anderson Varejao committed 2-3 times as many in the past couple of years? Yes. Are any of those guys All-Stars on the best team in the NBA? Nope. That's why no one cares about them and that's why Wade's hard fouls are blown completely out of proportion.

Open your eyes.

[GGGG]

Let's see...we've got 6-8 instances of "dirty" plays some of which, like the most recent Lance Stephenson deathblow to the head, are comically overblown, over a 10 year career and now Wade is the "Dirtiest Player in the NBA"?  Let's all go overboard, shall we.

Who called him the "Dirtiest Player in the NBA?" (It doesn't do you any good to introduce strawmen into your argument.)

[GGGG]

Two columnists on Grantland! Oh my! That's an unbiased, be-all, end-all! I guess I should just admit that Wade is the dirtiest player ever to play organized sports.

I guess the idea of having a reasonable discussion on the topic is foreign to you.  No one claimed that he was the dirtiest player to play organized sports...or in the NBA...your strawmen won't work with me.

He is dirtier than the average player...way dirtier than the average super star player...and has been getting worse over the course of his career.

[Pakuni]

Let's see...we've got 6-8 instances of "dirty" plays some of which, like the most recent Lance Stephenson deathblow to the head, are comically overblown, over a 10 year career and now Wade is the "Dirtiest Player in the NBA"?  Let's all go overboard, shall we.  

Problem is, these things didn't happen "over a 10 year career."
They happened over a span of about two years, which further speaks to his evolution as a dirty player.
Somehow methinks if a 6'4". 220-pound man took a running/flying elbow at the back of your head, you wouldn't feel it's so overblown.

[MerrittsMustache]

I guess the idea of having a reasonable discussion on the topic is foreign to you.  No one claimed that he was the dirtiest player to play organized sports...or in the NBA...your strawmen won't work with me.

He is dirtier than the average player...way dirtier than the average super star player...and has been getting worse over the course of his career.

"your strawmen won't work with me." That line actually made me laugh out loud!

Since you like to remind us that you're smarter than everyone else here, I'm surprised you can't see the difference between a straw man and someone mocking you.

Did you even read the rest of my post? Based on your response, I'd say no.

[dwaderoy2004]

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63415/dwyane-wade-is-awful-dwyane-wade-is-great

One of the grantland articles.  I didn't see it posted, but I'm on my phone so sorry if I missed it.

[GGGG]

"your strawmen won't work with me." That line actually made me laugh out loud!

Since you like to remind us that you're smarter than everyone else here, I'm surprised you can't see the difference between a straw man and someone mocking you.

Did you even read the rest of my post? Based on your response, I'd say no.

So I guess you decided not to actually argue the point any longer and would rather engage in hyperbole and insults instead.  No problem.

And I did read what you wrote but thought you were wrong.  Here....I will respond:

Has Wade committed some hard fouls? Sure, he has. Have players like Reggie Evans, Matt Barnes and Anderson Varejao committed 2-3 times as many in the past couple of years? Yes. Are any of those guys All-Stars on the best team in the NBA? Nope. That's why no one cares about them and that's why Wade's hard fouls are blown completely out of proportion.

I think you are wrong.

Does that make you feel better?

[GGGG]

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63415/dwyane-wade-is-awful-dwyane-wade-is-great

One of the grantland articles.  I didn't see it posted, but I'm on my phone so sorry if I missed it.

The other one:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9317718/the-miami-heat-indiana-pacers-nba-eastern-conference-finals

The Weaselization of Dwyane Wade

I'm not exactly sure when it happened, but Dwyane Wade has become one of the least-liked players around the NBA, jersey sales notwithstanding. In 2006, when he and Haslem and the rest of the Heat won the title, putting him one ring ahead of his immediate contemporaries, James and Carmelo Anthony, he was the charming kid from Marquette who played himself off of Proposition 48 and into the Final Four, and then to an NBA title. Now, people in Indiana are convinced they can make him cry, and some of the stuff he does on the court can have the same effect on the shade of James Naismith in the Beyond.

In the fourth quarter of Game 2 on Friday, Wade came up behind Lance Stephenson of the Pacers and delivered — God knoweth why — a flying elbow that would have done Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka proud. (The TNT crew proceeded to disgrace itself by trying to argue that the blow was "inadvertent." The only inadvertent thing about it was that Stephenson's head got in the way.) The Pacers, and especially coach Frank Vogel, kept remarkably cool about it, but the NBA took an ungainly dive. And speaking of ungainly dives, in Game 3 on Sunday, Wade found himself stymied under the basket by Indiana's Ian Mahinmi, and Wade responded as though he'd been shot by a sniper somewhere in the third balcony. I mean, there are dives taken in Serie A that look more realistic than this one did. The crowd in Indiana went absolutely hysterical.

In December, Wade was suspended for kicking Charlotte Bobcats guard Ramon Sessions with a blow in that southern part of the body that usually draws the attention of the Nevada Boxing Commission. Prior to that, he'd gotten himself involved in incidents with Rajon Rondo and Kobe Bryant. He insists he's not a dirty player, but suddenly there's an awful lot of weasel in the man's game. That dive he took Sunday because he had no other options available is not something that would have occurred to him six years ago. Reality makes you go out of the game young. Perception makes you go out of the game unpopular.

[onepost]

A few more of Dwyane's greatest hits:

- flagrant elbow to head of Lance Stephenson in Game 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcNBqz1WyeE

- flagrant foul to Darren Collison in last year's playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcNBqz1WyeE

- kicks Ramon Sessions below the belt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKp5UOewwow&feature=player_embedded

- shoves Rip Hamilton out of bounds because of something
http://youtu.be/NlTIFCPxqgw

To this, I'll add Wade simply chucking Mike Bibby's shoes out of bounds and staring him down the entire way back down the court. Not a dirty play, but a definite douche move. And on top of all of this, he just bitches and moans so often that it's embarrassing to watch a lot of the time.

[MerrittsMustache]

So I guess you decided not to actually argue the point any longer and would rather engage in hyperbole and insults instead.  No problem.

And I did read what you wrote but thought you were wrong.  Here....I will respond:



I think you are wrong.

Does that make you feel better?

Why do you think I'm wrong? What's wrong about stating that Wade's fouls get more attention than role players' hard fouls? What's wrong about saying that I take the word of actual NBA players over the words of people who making a living trying to get people to read what they write?

[onepost]

And if the Wade apologists would just look at Gregg Doyel's article and other objective pieces, instead of just immediately dismissing them because you don't agree, then you wouldn't have to ask where all the evidence is. It's all right there.

[4everwarriors]

This all started with the wearin' of the red IU shorts. He was fine 'til then.