Sick Of Wade

[damuts222]

If Wade was on a losing team and his antics were the same, as they have been in the last year or two, would some of the Wade apologists view him differently? 

If your winning it's fine but when your losing...well

[MerrittsMustache]

If Wade was on a losing team and his antics were the same, as they have been in the last year or two, would some of the Wade apologists view him differently? 

If your winning it's fine but when your losing...well

If Wade was on a losing team, no one would notice any of this stuff.

[jeffreyweee]

You can love Wade and think he's dirty - it's how I feel about JR Smith. I'm glad many others here recognize that he's a dirty player even with what he's done for our school.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Who called him the "Dirtiest Player in the NBA?" (It doesn't do you any good to introduce strawmen into your argument.)

Seriously?  The hyperbolic article from the guy you are such a fan of stated it not once but twice.

Someone has to say it, so I'll be the bad guy. No, wait. Dwyane Wade is the bad guy.

And that's how I'll say it:

Dwyane Wade is the bad guy. He's the worst guy in the NBA, when it comes to bad-guy stuff. Dirtiest player in the league? Yeah. That's Dwyane Wade. Look no farther for The Next Bruce Bowen, because he's here and headed to the Hall of Fame. Rare that a player as good as Dwyane Wade would be as devious, as dirty, as Dwyane Wade ... but there we are.

Dwyane Wade is the most devious, the most dirty player in the NBA.

The same guy that wrote this little gem:

Did I mention the forearm shiver to Lance Stephenson's head yet? That was in Game 2 of the Eastern Conference finals, and it was so bad, so dirty, that after studying it on film the NBA assessed Wade with a flagrant foul.

The HORROR!  It was so bad, so dirty!!!   He got a FLAGRANT 1!!!  OH THE HUMANITY!!!  

[GGGG]

Seriously?  The hyperbolic article from the guy you are such a fan of stated it not once but twice.

Thank you...I thought you were referring someone posting on Scoop.

[ATL MU Warrior]

I can see why you thought that.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Problem is, these things didn't happen "over a 10 year career."
They happened over a span of about two years, which further speaks to his evolution as a dirty player.
Somehow methinks if a 6'4". 220-pound man took a running/flying elbow at the back of your head, you wouldn't feel it's so overblown.

I just got done watching the "flying elbow" to Lance Stephenson's head about 10 times.  Maybe I'm biased, but I don't think it was a big deal and I don't think it was at all "dirty".  Stephenson was moving in front of him to cut Wade off while Wade was in the air attempting to jump around him.  He didn't extend his arm.  He didn't swing his arm.  He was pulling his arm through to get around the back side of Stephenson.  The refs didn't call a foul (which is almost unbelievable given how closely this series has been called) and honestly I don't believe it was a foul. 

Hard to determine intent in a play that happens that fast, and people obviously will make up their mind based on what they already think of Wade.  I just don't see it in this particular case.

[Lennys Tap]

Wade didn't get the reputation as a dirty player until LeBron joined the Heat and fans began hating the team, but still respecting Wade. With the team winning it all last season, fans began admiring LeBron again. Someone needed to be the bad guy and since Wade had a hard foul that inadvertently broke Kobe's nose and another that dislocated Rondo's elbow, he's now been deemed a dirty player by the media. Ask the actual players who's the dirtiest and Wade is no where near the top of the list.

ADDITION:
Results from in April of 2012. I believe the players over Doyle or anyone on a message board.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nba.dirtiest.player/content.1.html

I have no idea how the data was gathered, but even assuming its accuracy that poll is 14 months old. Without question Dwyane's on court reputation has changed for the worse since the poll was taken.

[muwarrior97]

I was thinking JefferyWeee IS Gregg Doyel...

http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/22311531/way-of-wade-flopping-dirty-plays-for-the-win

Interesting article, guess D-Wade caused global warming too, he's the new George Bush

[Lennys Tap]

I just got done watching the "flying elbow" to Lance Stephenson's head about 10 times.  Maybe I'm biased, but I don't think it was a big deal and I don't think it was at all "dirty".  Stephenson was moving in front of him to cut Wade off while Wade was in the air attempting to jump around him.  He didn't extend his arm.  He didn't swing his arm.  He was pulling his arm through to get around the back side of Stephenson.  The refs didn't call a foul (which is almost unbelievable given how closely this series has been called) and honestly I don't believe it was a foul. 

Hard to determine intent in a play that happens that fast, and people obviously will make up their mind based on what they already think of Wade.  I just don't see it in this particular case.

You don't think it was even a personal foul, yet the league reviewed it and assessed Wade a flagrant. If, as you say, they made up their mind based on what they already think of Dwyane, he's held in very low esteem by the NBA. Any even remote possibility there's a legit reason for that?

[Pakuni]

I just got done watching the "flying elbow" to Lance Stephenson's head about 10 times.  Maybe I'm biased, but I don't think it was a big deal and I don't think it was at all "dirty".  Stephenson was moving in front of him to cut Wade off while Wade was in the air attempting to jump around him.  He didn't extend his arm.  He didn't swing his arm.  He was pulling his arm through to get around the back side of Stephenson.  The refs didn't call a foul (which is almost unbelievable given how closely this series has been called) and honestly I don't believe it was a foul. 

Hard to determine intent in a play that happens that fast, and people obviously will make up their mind based on what they already think of Wade.  I just don't see it in this particular case.

1. Yes, you're biased if you don't think that was dirty.
2. You're even more biased if you don't think hitting a guy in the head from behind qualifies as a foul. It wasn't called because it wasn't seen, not because the refs didn't believe it was a clean play. Even buying the "it wasn't intentional" lie excuse, it's still a foul. Intent is not a determining factor in whether something is a personal foul or not.
3. Wade's track record helps establish intent.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Nice try.

A)  I am not the NBA so comparing what I personally think to what the NBA did is the very definition of meaningless.

B)  The NBA probably ruled it a Flagrant 1 so all the people with their panties in a bunch over it could get back to their lives while at the same time doing absolutely no damage to their product (this series).  In other words, the Flagrant 1 is a PR move, nothing more.

[ATL MU Warrior]

1. Yes, you're biased if you don't think that was dirty.
2. You're even more biased if you don't think hitting a guy in the head from behind qualifies as a foul. It wasn't called because it wasn't seen, not because the refs didn't believe it was a clean play. Even buying the "it wasn't intentional" lie excuse, it's still a foul. Intent is not a determining factor in whether something is a personal foul or not.
3. Wade's track record helps establish intent.

You are biased if you think that was dirty.  That was super easy.

[Lennys Tap]

Nice try.

A)  I am not the NBA so comparing what I personally think to what the NBA did is the very definition of meaningless.

B)  The NBA probably ruled it a Flagrant 1 so all the people with their panties in a bunch over it could get back to their lives while at the same time doing absolutely no damage to their product (this series).  In other words, the Flagrant 1 is a PR move, nothing more.

You wrote "people will obviously make up their mind based on what they already think of Wade". If that's true, the people at the NBA office who deemed it a flagrant 1 must already think bad things about Dwyane.

[keefe]

Good Lord but this discussion epitomizes mental masturbation...

[jeffreyweee]

Good Lord but this discussion epitomizes mental masturbation...

It's only worth bringing up because of the way he's idolized around here without pointing out any sort of flaw.

[keefe]

It's only worth bringing up because of the way he's idolized around here without pointing out any sort of flaw.

The man ain't bucking for Archbishop of Canterbury. He's a professional athlete.

[forgetful]

I guess the idea of having a reasonable discussion on the topic is foreign to you.  No one claimed that he was the dirtiest player to play organized sports...or in the NBA...your strawmen won't work with me.

He is dirtier than the average player...way dirtier than the average super star player...and has been getting worse over the course of his career.

Lets pick 5 superstar players, Carmelo, Wade, Lebron, Kobe and Durant.

Most Dirty, Kobe.
Second, Carmelo.
Third, We'll go with Wade
Fourth and Fifth Lebron/Durant.

So he would be roughly average, not way dirtier than the average super star player. 

Other notable superstar players that clearly eclipse him, Paul, Garnett (not really a superstar anymore).

Do you just spout hyperbole at will, way dirtier than average...completely subjective and opinionated...impossible to prove.

Google any star player (sans Duncan) is dirty and you'll find numerous hits for it from random sports sites.  Means absolutely nothing. 

[keefe]

Lets pick 5 superstar players, Carmelo, Wade, Lebron, Kobe and Durant.

Most Dirty, Kobe.
Second, Carmelo.
Third, We'll go with Wade
Fourth and Fifth Lebron/Durant.

So he would be roughly average, not way dirtier than the average super star player. 

Other notable superstar players that clearly eclipse him, Paul, Garnett (not really a superstar anymore).

Do you just spout hyperbole at will, way dirtier than average...completely subjective and opinionated...impossible to prove.

Google any star player (sans Duncan) is dirty and you'll find numerous hits for it from random sports sites.  Means absolutely nothing. 

[MerrittsMustache]

1. Yes, you're biased if you don't think that was dirty.
2. You're even more biased if you don't think hitting a guy in the head from behind qualifies as a foul. It wasn't called because it wasn't seen, not because the refs didn't believe it was a clean play. Even buying the "it wasn't intentional" lie excuse, it's still a foul. Intent is not a determining factor in whether something is a personal foul or not.
3. Wade's track record helps establish intent.

It was a flagrant 1 because it was violent contact. Intentional or not, that's a flagrant 1. It was not ruled a flagrant 2 because it was clearly unintentional. He was trying to swing his arm through on kind of a swim move and caught him in the head. Vogel didn't have a problem with it. Teammates didn't have a problem with it.  Stephenson didn't have a problem with it! Why should anyone else?

[setyoursightsnorth]

I don't think he's extremely dirty. What bothers me a hell of a lot more is that he whines and complains about everything. Not the "dirty" plays, everyone has those. But he needs to stop acting out over everything. Becoming a little prima Donna.

[Gato78]

All the guy does for MU...scholarships through Boys and Girls Club, helps with recruiting. Comes to games whenever he can. Just received NBA humanitarian award. Good father etc. yet, he gets ripped by his own. Pathetic.

[keefe]

[keefe]

Are you kidding? Is that Star Jones? Wade could not be that desperate for poontang. Then again, I have been cautioned to not believe everything I read, so I choose not to believe this.

[4everwarriors]

Nothin' better than some down home Indiana snatch.