Sick Of Wade

[GGGG]

Being a fan of Doyel's writing, I am 100% convinced that is his true opinion.

[Pakuni]

Doyel is paid to have eyeballs on his article.  Calling Wade a dirty player brings in eyeballs.  Saying he is a good player does nothing.

Which article do you write?

Yes, people worldwide are rushing online in search of negative commentary about Dwyane Wade.
I note you didn't dispute anything he wrote.

[Marquette Gyros]

Doyel is paid to have eyeballs on his article.  Calling Wade a dirty player brings in eyeballs.  Saying he is a good player does nothing.

Which article do you write?

There's just the small matter of everyone agreeing with Doyel...

[Aughnanure]

I'll second that.

No Buzz, and maybe no Big East (2005-2012) w/out Wade. I get what you mean, Buzz may be best prize we won, but Wade and Crean are still more influential since they catalyzed the resurgence that to Buzz.

[TallTitan34]

Bulls fans aren't the only ones who dislike the Heat. The best team is usually hated by the majority of the country.  Yankees, Duke, Heat, Lakers, etc.

Why do Wisconsin people always turn it into an Illinois thing?

I'm a Bulls fan and I still like Wade.  He was a great player but years of driving hard to the hoop have destroyed his body. I don't mind the flopping and complaining as most players do it and in the end its to help the team win. That's just how the NBA is.

I can't really defend him on some of these cheap shots though. They are straight up dirty.

[MUSF]

Bulls fans aren't the only ones who dislike the Heat. The best team is usually hated by the majority of the country.  Yankees, Duke, Heat, Lakers, etc.

Why do Wisconsin people always turn it into an Illinois thing?

I'm a Bulls fan and I still like Wade.  He was a great player but years of driving hard to the hoop have destroyed his body. I don't mind the flopping and complaining as most players do it and in the end its to help the team win. That's just how the NBA is.

I can't really defend him on some of these cheap shots though. They are straight up dirty.

You are missing the key component of this discussion. This isn't about the general NBA fan not liking Wade, it's about MU NBA fans that are turning against MU's best pro ever.

They are claiming that this is happening because he is a dirty player and a whiner. I don't believe that Wade's play / behavior are so egregious to cause his most loyal fan base to "get sick of him". I can easily see why a typical NBA fan may get tired of the Heat and Lebron/DWade, but not MU fans. This made me wonder if something else was behind the lack of love for DWade. 

Many won't answer the question, but I would guess that the majority of those ON THIS BOARD that are starting to dislike Wade are also Bulls fans.

BTW, I'm not a Wisconsin person.

[MU31]

As Neil said "it's better to burn out than fade away" Dwyane may right now be playing on one leg, he may currently be a shadow of what he previously was, and I hope that is temporary, but he won't fade away.  Dwyane will fight to the end like a Warrior and give all he has, right, wrong, but never indifferent. That's why I watch. That's why he remains important to Marquette fans.  Maurice Lucas (RIP) will always be beloved to those who watched him play, he didn't play pretty, but did whatever it took.  We have been spoiled with the success Dwyane has had and how easy it seemed to be. Maybe the athletisicism has started to diminished, but the heart of the lion remains strong! I am from Illinois and I do root for the Bulls, except when Nate forgets to pass the ball.

[forgetful]

Bulls fans aren't the only ones who dislike the Heat. The best team is usually hated by the majority of the country.  Yankees, Duke, Heat, Lakers, etc.

Why do Wisconsin people always turn it into an Illinois thing?

I'm a Bulls fan and I still like Wade.  He was a great player but years of driving hard to the hoop have destroyed his body. I don't mind the flopping and complaining as most players do it and in the end its to help the team win. That's just how the NBA is.

I can't really defend him on some of these cheap shots though. They are straight up dirty.

The problem is then, they are all dirty.  I don't think there is a single player in the Heat/Pacers series that hasn't done something the equivalent of what the Wade cheap shots are.  Its just that he is a star that it gets attention. 

[dwaderoy2004]

Andy Glockner tweeted the following FWIW:

@AndyGlockner: Good for @GreggDoyelCBS to call out Dwyane Wade for his gamesmanship and cheap plays. Been saying this for years.

@AndyGlockner: Wade is a great player -- surefire Hall of Famer -- but also resorts to cheap shots, flops and other unsavory things. Never liked it.

[TallTitan34]

The problem is then, they are all dirty.  I don't think there is a single player in the Heat/Pacers series that hasn't done something the equivalent of what the Wade cheap shots are.  Its just that he is a star that it gets attention. 

Pacers are the dirtiest team in the league.

[Pakuni]

Andy Glockner tweeted the following FWIW:

@AndyGlockner: Good for @GreggDoyelCBS to call out Dwyane Wade for his gamesmanship and cheap plays. Been saying this for years.

@AndyGlockner: Wade is a great player -- surefire Hall of Famer -- but also resorts to cheap shots, flops and other unsavory things. Never liked it.

Another Bulls fan!

[MUSF]

Another Bulls fan!

Does he post on this board? Is he a MU fan?

I don't think anyone is claiming that every single person on earth that doesn't like Wade or thinks he's dirty / a whiner is a Bulls fan.

[dwaderoy2004]

I don't understand your argument.  Are you saying that, as MU fans, we should hold Wade to a LOWER standard than the average fan and overlook his whining, cheap shots, etc?

[mu-rara]

you don't know what you're talking about and the nba disagrees as well.

The NBA reviewed it.  They assessed a flagrant foul. How am I wrong?
I know what I saw.  Dwy-Anne went head hunting.  Defending him because he is our guy is against everything we were taught by the Jesuit fathers.

I have always been a Wade guy, until the latest rash of crap, beginning with kicking Sessions in the bag, oops, no it was when he took down Rondo, oops, it was when he decked Darren Collison. This is a trend.

No Defense.  Dirty plays.

[GGGG]

The problem is then, they are all dirty.  I don't think there is a single player in the Heat/Pacers series that hasn't done something the equivalent of what the Wade cheap shots are.  Its just that he is a star that it gets attention. 

Lebron hasn't. 

[Marquette_g]

I love what Wade did for our school, but I can take him or leave him now.

Gregg Doyel on the other hand I can always do without.  Hyperbole as a writing style grows tiresome very quickly.

[willie warrior]

The NBA reviewed it.  They assessed a flagrant foul. How am I wrong?
I know what I saw.  Dwy-Anne went head hunting.  Defending him because he is our guy is against everything we were taught by the Jesuit fathers.

I have always been a Wade guy, until the latest rash of crap, beginning with kicking Sessions in the bag, oops, no it was when he took down Rondo, oops, it was when he decked Darren Collison. This is a trend.

No Defense.  Dirty plays.

Rondo is one of the dirtiest players/primadonnas in the game. Watch him some time. Hooks, elbows to the junk, etc. If Wade nailed him, it was payback for something Rondo did. Don't know anything about the Collison deal, but there are many dirty plays in the NBA--Many, Many, by many players. Watch Hansborough when he is in. He does not get many because he is a shorter minute guy, but that is his role. It is the NBA. Petition the Commisioner to clean it up!

[dwaderoy2004]

Eamonn Brennan chimes in:

@eamonnbrennan: Yes! @GreggDoyelCBS joins the See Dwyane Wade For What He Is Club. Our truth is growing in the hearts of men.

Take off the blue and gold colored glasses people.  His on the court demeanor leaves much to be desired. 

[GGGG]

Rondo is one of the dirtiest players/primadonnas in the game. Watch him some time. Hooks, elbows to the junk, etc. If Wade nailed him, it was payback for something Rondo did. Don't know anything about the Collison deal, but there are many dirty plays in the NBA--Many, Many, by many players. Watch Hansborough when he is in. He does not get many because he is a shorter minute guy, but that is his role. It is the NBA. Petition the Commisioner to clean it up!

When your argument resorts to "other guys do it too!!!!" that usually means your premise sucks.

[robertoc]

Bulls fans aren't the only ones who dislike the Heat. The best team is usually hated by the majority of the country.  Yankees, Duke, Heat, Lakers, etc.

Why do Wisconsin people always turn it into an Illinois thing?

I'm a Bulls fan and I still like Wade.  He was a great player but years of driving hard to the hoop have destroyed his body. I don't mind the flopping and complaining as most players do it and in the end its to help the team win. That's just how the NBA is.

I can't really defend him on some of these cheap shots though. They are straight up dirty.

I agree with this.  I am not a Bulls fan for the record- ...
I will always love D- Wade for what he did at MU and for MU, but I have viewed him in a different light over the years watching his NBA game.  True, he is still a fantastic player.  But I do get frustrated with what I view as maybe not dirty, but right on the edge of dirty, play over the past few years.

Not that he gives a rat's &*% what any of us think :-);  

[MerrittsMustache]

Wade didn't get the reputation as a dirty player until LeBron joined the Heat and fans began hating the team, but still respecting Wade. With the team winning it all last season, fans began admiring LeBron again. Someone needed to be the bad guy and since Wade had a hard foul that inadvertently broke Kobe's nose and another that dislocated Rondo's elbow, he's now been deemed a dirty player by the media. Ask the actual players who's the dirtiest and Wade is no where near the top of the list.

ADDITION:
Results from in April of 2012. I believe the players over Doyle or anyone on a message board.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nba.dirtiest.player/content.1.html

[Lennys Tap]

You are missing the key component of this discussion. This isn't about the general NBA fan not liking Wade, it's about MU NBA fans that are turning against MU's best pro ever.

They are claiming that this is happening because he is a dirty player and a whiner. I don't believe that Wade's play / behavior are so egregious to cause his most loyal fan base to "get sick of him". I can easily see why a typical NBA fan may get tired of the Heat and Lebron/DWade, but not MU fans. This made me wonder if something else was behind the lack of love for DWade. 

Many won't answer the question, but I would guess that the majority of those ON THIS BOARD that are starting to dislike Wade are also Bulls fans.

BTW, I'm not a Wisconsin person.

I think you're right that for some here Wade lost his status as untouchable and above criticism when he rejected the Bulls, but recently he has supplied those critics with a boatload of ammunition. Let's turn the tables for a moment. Just how much bad behavior (flopping, whining, cheap shots, etc.) can Wade exhibit before Marquette fans are allowed to be embarrassed? If everybody does it, why are guys with no ax to grind like Doyel and Glockner singling Wade out? As a Marquette/Wade fan I'm saddened to see what Wade is doing to his own reputation/legacy. Aren't you?

[setyoursightsnorth]

Amen!  One could argue that Wade being recognized last night with the Community Assist Award last night, is the most impressive accolade of them all.  

Hahahah. Good one.

My respect level for wade went down after he believed and stated numerous times that Olympic Athletes should be paid for competing in the games. Big No-No for me. 

[dwaderoy2004]

Wade didn't get the reputation as a dirty player until LeBron joined the Heat and fans began hating the team, but still respecting Wade. With the team winning it all last season, fans began admiring LeBron again. Someone needed to be the bad guy and since Wade had a hard foul that inadvertently broke Kobe's nose and another that dislocated Rondo's elbow, he's now been deemed a dirty player by the media. Ask the actual players who's the dirtiest and Wade is no where near the top of the list.

ADDITION:
Results from in April of 2012. I believe the players over Doyle or anyone on a message board.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nba.dirtiest.player/content.1.html

True in a sense.  When Lebron joined the Heat, Wade was no longer the best player on the team, and stopped getting some calls he used to.  Instead of moving on, he has turned into a pretty big whiner.  I think the dirty plays/hard fouls have come about because he is sick of the league beating on him and James as a strategy to defeat them.  But, as others have pointed out, Lebron has not responded to this in the same way Wade has.  He takes the hits and makes them pay through his play.  Wade's diminishing skills also probably add to his frustration.  He is only averaging 14 PPG in the playoffs this year and his knees are obviously bothering him.  All of this makes for a testy D Wade.  I don't think he is the dirtiest player in the league, but I really think the only thing actually making me root for him at times is because he went to MU.  Otherwise, as others have said, I could take him or leave him.

[Pakuni]

I think you're right that for some here Wade lost his status as untouchable and above criticism when he rejected the Bulls, but recently he has supplied those critics with a boatload of ammunition. Let's turn the tables for a moment. Just how much bad behavior (flopping, whining, cheap shots, etc.) can Wade exhibit before Marquette fans are allowed to be embarrassed? If everybody does it, why are guys with no ax to grind like Doyel and Glockner singling Wade out? As a Marquette/Wade fan I'm saddened to see what Wade is doing to his own reputation/legacy. Aren't you?

Nailed it.
I love and appreciate all that Wade has done for Marquette and was a HUGE  fan of his early NBA career. And I think he's a fantastic guy off the court.
But only the most pollyanna of DWade fans fail to see how his on-court game/demeanor has changed significantly for the worse and the once-humble superstar has become the embodiment of the entitled superstar.  This bothers me not because I dislike Wade, but because I like him and, as a onetime fan, it's painful to watch a guy whose game you once admired morph into a guy whose game you despise.

And, fwiw, I don't see anything contradictory about being appreciative for Wade's contributions to Marquette while also expressing distaste for the way he now plays in the NBA.