I am curious. How many of you frequent both MU Boards? I go over there to read sometimes (rarely, perhaps every third week.) I often see people over there make snide comments about this site, as if somehow Dodd's board is better in an unstated way. Many over there "refuse" to visit here, insinuating it is perhaps distasteful. Frankly, I much prefer things here.
I got my start on Scout, and find that more of the content and discussion there is on-court-related.
Do check it out it something big is going down but find Scoop to be the Holy Grail of MU ball.
used to be a member at scout. you've got to be old or a dork to enjoy scout, imo. so some of you might want to check it out. (the horror, Dodds would delete my message if i promoted scoop there, highlighting that the douche-ary is institutionalized there)
Al once said, "If the waitresses have dirty ankles the food will be good." Somehow, I think Al would prefer the unbridled give and take of this board versus the sanctimonious drivel of Dodds'.
Al is the guy who stood on the scorer's table after a last second win over Wisconsin, inciting the Hughes twins father to flip him off. Al got into a fist fight with Toone at half time of the NCAA Cincy game. Ted Sorensen wrote in his biography of Bobby Kennedy that the only two white men who could safely walk the streets of Harlem and Bed Sty in the spring and summer of 68 were Bobby and Al. There was grit under his finger nails, a never back down fierceness developed during his teens leaping over the bar in his father's joint to take on a nasty drunk. That attitude is what permeates this site, gives it its personae, adds color, and defines its character. There was an edge to Al and that is very much evident here.
Dodds site is Ward Cleaver who only boned June every fourth Saturday. It is Country Club Republican with an affected politeness, a veneer of civility trying desperately to mask deep seated jealousies, hatreds, rivalries, and psychoses. Marquette Hoops is white bread, milk toast, roast chicken on Sundays after Mass. It has all the honesty of Gibson Martinis made with no-name hooch dispensed from a Grey Goose bottle. Dodds pretends to be a hard hitting journalist dispensing insight and honesty. He delivers neither. He likens his editorial policies to Joe Stalin and in a way he is right - I will only accept what I agree with. And yet, he lacks Stalin's balls. Stalin allowed his minions to play themselves out against each other in a virtual Hegelian dialectic in order to arrive at the best decision.
I very much prefer Scoop. It has warts, it has battle scars, and it has Chicos flying under a Nom de Cyber but it most genuinely reflects the spirit that was Al.
Not a member but if there is a major event I will check out what's going on. The leader of that board Dodds (sp?) made me change my "Name" when he hijacked the Rivals board from Mike Juno. Said someone from CUSA told him to tell me. Kool Aid drinkers....
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 12, 2012, 05:20:08 PM
Al once said, "If the waitresses have dirty ankles the food will be good." Somehow, I think Al would prefer the unbridled give and take of this board versus the sanctimonious drivel of Dodds'.
Al is the guy who stood on the scorer's table after a last second win over Wisconsin, inciting the Hughes twins father to flip him off. Al got into a fist fight with Toone at half time of the NCAA Cincy game. Ted Sorensen wrote in his biography of Bobby Kennedy that the only two white men who could safely walk the streets of Harlem and Bed Sty in the spring and summer of 68 were Bobby and Al. There was grit under his finger nails, a never back down fierceness developed during his teens leaping over the bar in his father's joint to take on a nasty drunk. That attitude is what permeates this site, gives it its personae, adds color, and defines its character. There was an edge to Al and that is very much evident here.
Dodds site is Ward Cleaver who only boned June every fourth Saturday. It is Country Club Republican with an affected politeness, a veneer of civility trying desperately to mask deep seated jealousies, hatreds, rivalries, and psychoses. Marquette Hoops is white bread, milk toast, roast chicken on Sundays after Mass. It has all the honesty of Gibson Martinis made with no-name hooch dispensed from a Grey Goose bottle. Dodds pretends to be a hard hitting journalist dispensing insight and honesty. He delivers neither. He likens his editorial policies to Joe Stalin and in a way he is right - I will only accept what I agree with. And yet, he lacks Stalin's balls. Stalin allowed his minions to play themselves out against each other in a virtual Hegelian dialectic in order to arrive at the best decision.
I very much prefer Scoop. It has warts, it has battle scars, and it has Chicos flying under a Nom de Cyber but it most genuinely reflects the spirit that was Al.
A few comments:
1. the quote is "if the waitress has dirty ankles, the
chili should be good." Al belonged to Westmore CC and ate pretty well, most days.
2. Grey Goose is vastly overrated.
3. I like roast chicken on Sundays. Who doesn't?
I stopped reading Scout when my computer picked up a virus from Dodd's site a couple of years ago. Up to that moment, I'd mostly agree with your viewpoint. The posters call him "Doddsy" or "Doddsie." Good grief. Makes my skin crawl.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 12, 2012, 05:34:21 PM
The posters call him "Doddsy" or "Doddsie." Good grief. Makes my skin crawl.
Like "Cubbies." Same reaction.
I frequent and post on both sites, though I like the tone and temperament of this one better. For some reason, Dodds is convinced that I run this site, so any time I bring up this board, it's taken as though I'm trying to drive posters from his site over to this one*. There's sometimes value there, but there's definitely more of an elitist tone on that site that I'm not a fan of. I find it funny that a fair number of posters there seem to look down their noses at this site and feel there is some unspoken rivalry going on. Last I checked, we're all Marquette fans.
* Rocky, Hilltopper, Spiral, and company, feel free to start cutting me checks any time... ;D
Dodds controls the freedom of speech scenario on his board. I knew that in the past, certain players under Al got taken care of, even a friend at the time named Al McGuire jr., told me it
was true, so I got band. UCLA had Sam Gilbert, MU had somebody. Of course, I know who it was. Back then, Sam Bowie visited MU and then Kentucky, there money at KU was much stronger than MU wanted to give. Back then, you had some real characters, John Wooden, Jerry Tarkainian, they all had boosters throwing money around. It is happening today as well,
like Baylor, who wants to go to Waco? All of a sudden, Scott Drew is an incredible personality, I take Buzz anyday.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 12, 2012, 05:34:21 PM
A few comments:
1. the quote is "if the waitress has dirty ankles, the chili should be good." Al belonged to Westmore CC and ate pretty well, most days.
2. Grey Goose is vastly overrated.
3. I like roast chicken on Sundays. Who doesn't?
I stopped reading Scout when my computer picked up a virus from Dodd's site a couple of years ago. Up to that moment, I'd mostly agree with your viewpoint. The posters call him "Doddsy" or "Doddsie." Good grief. Makes my skin crawl.
You are correct about the chili. I extrapolated to food since there is but one source of True Chili Goodness.
I also agree with your assessment of Grey Goose. It is a tribute to superior marketing for the vodka is nothing remarkable and yet commands double the price of my Absolut. And therein lies the irony - my comparison is precisely for the undeserved arrogance and elitism of Dodds' site. Besides, Grey Goose is also French and I refuse to give any of my sheckels to those folks.
Roast chicken dinner after Mass is predictable. So too is MarquetteHoops.
There is a virtual love fest over there with Dodds that is creepy. I am also amused at how he will delete any reference to Scoop. Talk about paranoia.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 12, 2012, 05:51:24 PMI also agree with your assessment of Grey Goose. It is a tribute to superior marketing for the vodka is nothing remarkable and yet commands double the price of my Absolut. And therein lies the irony - my comparison is precisely for the undeserved arrogance and elitism of Dodds' site. Besides, Grey Goose is also French and I refuse to give any of my sheckels to those folks.
You should shop Milwaukee. Rehorst makes both Absolut and Grey Goose taste like swill. Phenomenal vodka.
I go to both places. Some days you are in the mood for Chipotle, some days you are in the mood for Qdoba. Some days you are in the mood for Oberon, some days you are in the mood for Breckenridge Porter. Scout is less likely to devolve into random segues and name calling. Sometimes that is good, sometimes that is bad.
Quote from: tower912 on April 12, 2012, 06:07:58 PM
I go to both places. Some days you are in the mood for Chipotle, some days you are in the mood for Qdoba. Some days you are in the mood for Oberon, some days you are in the mood for Breckenridge Porter. Scout is less likely to devolve into random segues and name calling. Sometimes that is good, sometimes that is bad.
Did Muggsy leave? :o :o :o
;)
Second the Rehorst vodka, the gin is very good and their whiskey is awesome...
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 12, 2012, 05:59:22 PM
You should shop Milwaukee. Rehorst makes both Absolut and Grey Goose taste like swill. Phenomenal vodka.
Quote from: tower912 on April 12, 2012, 06:07:58 PM
I go to both places. Some days you are in the mood for Chipotle, some days you are in the mood for Qdoba. Some days you are in the mood for Oberon, some days you are in the mood for Breckenridge Porter. Scout is less likely to devolve into random segues and name calling. Sometimes that is good, sometimes that is bad.
I like the color of Scoop much better. I would disagree about the name calling being absent over there. Uncle John is an expert at staking out some virtual moral higher ground. And don't get me started on JG/Red Baron/Murf/Great One.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 12, 2012, 06:09:54 PM
Did Muggsy leave? :o :o :o
;)
I said 'less likely', not 'never'. The next time that guy has a thought that he internalizes rather than posts will be the first.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 12, 2012, 05:59:22 PM
You should shop Milwaukee. Rehorst makes both Absolut and Grey Goose taste like swill. Phenomenal vodka.
Not familiar with Rehorst but it is likely not available in Seattle. As a grizzled fighter pilot I have developed a taste for single malt, especially the Islays. There is a world class brew pub here in Issaquah that is owned by Rogue out of Oregon. Not only do they make the finest hand crafted beers this side of Germany but they also make spirits. They have a single malt which has been, "Aged Six Fortnights." Priceless.
I mostly visited Scout to antagonize the West Virginia fans on their board after our win/Buzz's dance and after Jae "stole" POY honors from Kevin Jones. Cheap entertainment.
The fact that this thread would not be allowed to exist on the scout site is why I pick scoop.
Well played Titan.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 12, 2012, 07:08:51 PM
The fact that this thread would not be allowed to exist on the scout site is why I pick scoop.
Very well said. Says it all, actually
I read both boards. I think Scout has more articles, video/audio content, and "extended" content through the network but you need to be a member. The forums are similar but I think Scoop can get more negative but more detailed on off the court incidents and speculation. That is a factor of Dodds keeping an eye open. Both have good insights and posters while maintaining their own cast of characters.
I think Dodds board did take a big hit when IWB started his own board. He doesn't post there much any more and he was really where Dodds got most of his recruiting information on the Insiders Board.
Mark Miller also has slowed down his posting there which didn't help either.
Dodds is more of a journalist/interviewer who does good audio content while Mark and IWB where more likely to call a "buddy" and let you know what was going on.
Regardless of the forum, you get a bunch of folks who hint that they know something but won't post it. When it doesn't happen they tell you things are fluid and change.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 12, 2012, 05:20:08 PM
Al once said, "If the waitresses have dirty ankles the food will be good." Somehow, I think Al would prefer the unbridled give and take of this board versus the sanctimonious drivel of Dodds'.
Al is the guy who stood on the scorer's table after a last second win over Wisconsin, inciting the Hughes twins father to flip him off. Al got into a fist fight with Toone at half time of the NCAA Cincy game. Ted Sorensen wrote in his biography of Bobby Kennedy that the only two white men who could safely walk the streets of Harlem and Bed Sty in the spring and summer of 68 were Bobby and Al. There was grit under his finger nails, a never back down fierceness developed during his teens leaping over the bar in his father's joint to take on a nasty drunk. That attitude is what permeates this site, gives it its personae, adds color, and defines its character. There was an edge to Al and that is very much evident here.
Dodds site is Ward Cleaver who only boned June every fourth Saturday. It is Country Club Republican with an affected politeness, a veneer of civility trying desperately to mask deep seated jealousies, hatreds, rivalries, and psychoses. Marquette Hoops is white bread, milk toast, roast chicken on Sundays after Mass. It has all the honesty of Gibson Martinis made with no-name hooch dispensed from a Grey Goose bottle. Dodds pretends to be a hard hitting journalist dispensing insight and honesty. He delivers neither. He likens his editorial policies to Joe Stalin and in a way he is right - I will only accept what I agree with. And yet, he lacks Stalin's balls. Stalin allowed his minions to play themselves out against each other in a virtual Hegelian dialectic in order to arrive at the best decision.
I very much prefer Scoop. It has warts, it has battle scars, and it has Chicos flying under a Nom de Cyber but it most genuinely reflects the spirit that was Al.
Eloquent man, simply eloquent.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 12, 2012, 06:14:29 PM
Not familiar with Rehorst but it is likely not available in Seattle. As a grizzled fighter pilot I have developed a taste for single malt, especially the Islays. There is a world class brew pub here in Issaquah that is owned by Rogue out of Oregon. Not only do they make the finest hand crafted beers this side of Germany but they also make spirits. They have a single malt which has been, "Aged Six Fortnights." Priceless.
Seattle's a great town to drink in...really enjoyed going out when I made it to the left coast. Rogue's Dead Guy is quality, and love their Chocolate Stout. If you ever get back Midwest, definitely give Rehorst a shot. Whether in a mix, on the rocks, or straight up, it's very good stuff.
How many here wear the scarlet letter of banishment?
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 12, 2012, 05:34:21 PM
A few comments:
2. Grey Goose is vastly overrated.
Belvedere is the read deal. - But I'm somewhat biased due to my Polish in-laws.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 12, 2012, 07:56:42 PM
Belvedere is the read deal. - But I'm somewhat biased due to my Polish in-laws.
I know I am probably going to get flamed for saying this, but the Costco vodka is actually pretty good. And nicely priced, which is important given the volume I buy.
Criticize me if you want, but all I know is, when the vodka goes in, the pain has to go somewhere else.
Partial to Kettle One but I've heard the Costco house brand is very good, urban legend has it Costco is bottled by same company as Grey Goose but never confirmed. Can't beat the per unit price of the Costco brands.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 12, 2012, 08:39:30 PM
I know I am probably going to get flamed for saying this, but the Costco vodka is actually pretty good. And nicely priced, which is important given the volume I buy.
Criticize me if you want, but all I know is, when the vodka goes in, the pain has to go somewhere else.
Haven't had it. But if you are blending it with tonic/juice/soft drink, then it probably doesn't matter much. You notice the difference with martinis and gimlets.
Grey Goose is all marketing horse manure. They spend more manufacturing the bottle than the liquid. Those that have mentioned Rehorst are spot on. A very good vodka. I'm with Warthog: Absolute/Skyy are very good every day vodkas. Go much cheaper and you are begging for a hangover. Ms. WarriorChick-- for a great spirit , try North Shore Distillery's vodka. A product of Lake Bluff. Close to Milwaukee's Rehorst, but easier to obtain in your wheelhouse.
I read both about the same amount of time, but post on Scout a lot more. But that's really just to add a younger voice to what they say over there. Dodd's does what he wants and it can get really annoying (especially with all OT brewers talk now that they are relevant again), but really, each site has their advantages and disadvantages imo.
The Scout site hasn't had a 100 page thread, I think that's all that needs to be said.
I honestly like it here better. Scout lost a lot with the departure of IWB. Here it is more relaxed. After a loss though, I'm probably more likely to read Scout, if any board. I agree that there's a level of arrogance over there. I think the perceived gap is closing a little bit because they have a few posters that start a lot of threads and fill up threads with their nonsense.
The Crean and Chicos stuff gets annoying here, but not enough to stop reading. As I said in another post, if you take it for the humor that it's meant to be, it can be pretty funny. If Buzz bailed and we started posting Curly pictures and Sweet Tea jokes, I'd enjoy it the same way as the Crean stuff (granted, I like Buzz a lot more).
One thing I like here is that there are less trolls from other schools (SMU excluded). They seem to go to the Scout site more, so that makes things better.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 12, 2012, 06:11:19 PM
I like the color of Scoop much better. I would disagree about the name calling being absent over there. Uncle John is an expert at staking out some virtual moral higher ground. And don't get me started on JG/Red Baron/Murf/Great One.
Scout definitely has value but I spend the vast majority of my time here.
I'm STILL pissed about picking up a virus there.
The single best thing, IMO, which separates Scoop from Scout is the lack of Murf.
I like Titos vodka.
And scoop.
Wait, I got it. GENUIS!
MUScoop branded vodka. I'd like it.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 12, 2012, 07:08:51 PM
The fact that this thread would not be allowed to exist on the scout site is why I pick scoop.
Excellent quote.
Scout is very good for some of the big recruiting news and has some decent articles but it was not nearly as good as the old geocities than the Rivals board that was ran by Mike Juno. I thought the tactics of hijacking the board from Mike Juno (Which was extremely well run) caused a rift between Marquette fans.
The other problem with scout is some of the clientale. I am forever thankful for Gato, IWB, and Unclejohn for some of the things they helped me with in college including a ride to the Twin Cities for the Regionals on 03; but guys like Dodds and Mayor Beluga make me disgusted that I cheer for the same team as them.
In fact I remember meeting Mayor Beluga at the 2002 C-USA tournament and when i introduced myself he enjoyed telling me how he had "3 M's Marquette Law, Marquette, High, Marquette Undergrad"
Even at 20 years old I thought it was the lamest brag of all time, plus I think he was only 30 at the time and the fact that he was already a member of the Gold Sweatervest crowd spoke volumes about who he thought he was. I also feel that most of the folks over at scout dont truly represent what Marquette is about.
On the other hand the scoop board seems to be not only younger but more blue collar and I think that we at scoop help break the mold of the stuff shirt marquette alumni/fan
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 12, 2012, 07:53:55 PM
How many here wear the scarlet letter of banishment?
I have under 5 different names
NateDoggMU
OleBagofDonuts
MarquetteWarriorSC
Fulce18footerfromTheBaseline
MayorNateDogg
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 12, 2012, 08:48:22 PM
Haven't had it. But if you are blending it with tonic/juice/soft drink, then it probably doesn't matter much. You notice the difference with martinis and gimlets.
Grey Goose is all marketing horse manure. They spend more manufacturing the bottle than the liquid. Those that have mentioned Rehorst are spot on. A very good vodka. I'm with Warthog: Absolute/Skyy are very good every day vodkas. Go much cheaper and you are begging for a hangover. Ms. WarriorChick-- for a great spirit , try North Shore Distillery's vodka. A product of Lake Bluff. Close to Milwaukee's Rehorst, but easier to obtain in your wheelhouse.
I thought Vodka was supposed to be Flavorless....Thus how does one Vodka taste better than the other. FYI I am a Gin Drinker who loves Rehorst
Visit both boards, and prefer it here by about one Superbar.
I get annoyed here at times, but have also gotten way more laughs and entertainment here. Good cast of characters. I find guys like Crisco and SilverWarrior great to read for X's and O's on Scout.
Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but I think that's why it works so well. Best of both worlds.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 12, 2012, 05:20:08 PM
Al once said, "If the waitresses have dirty ankles the food will be good." Somehow, I think Al would prefer the unbridled give and take of this board versus the sanctimonious drivel of Dodds'.
Al is the guy who stood on the scorer's table after a last second win over Wisconsin, inciting the Hughes twins father to flip him off. Al got into a fist fight with Toone at half time of the NCAA Cincy game. Ted Sorensen wrote in his biography of Bobby Kennedy that the only two white men who could safely walk the streets of Harlem and Bed Sty in the spring and summer of 68 were Bobby and Al. There was grit under his finger nails, a never back down fierceness developed during his teens leaping over the bar in his father's joint to take on a nasty drunk. That attitude is what permeates this site, gives it its personae, adds color, and defines its character. There was an edge to Al and that is very much evident here.
Dodds site is Ward Cleaver who only boned June every fourth Saturday. It is Country Club Republican with an affected politeness, a veneer of civility trying desperately to mask deep seated jealousies, hatreds, rivalries, and psychoses. Marquette Hoops is white bread, milk toast, roast chicken on Sundays after Mass. It has all the honesty of Gibson Martinis made with no-name hooch dispensed from a Grey Goose bottle. Dodds pretends to be a hard hitting journalist dispensing insight and honesty. He delivers neither. He likens his editorial policies to Joe Stalin and in a way he is right - I will only accept what I agree with. And yet, he lacks Stalin's balls. Stalin allowed his minions to play themselves out against each other in a virtual Hegelian dialectic in order to arrive at the best decision.
I very much prefer Scoop. It has warts, it has battle scars, and it has Chicos flying under a Nom de Cyber but it most genuinely reflects the spirit that was Al.
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Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 12, 2012, 07:53:55 PM
How many here wear the scarlet letter of banishment?
Recently discovered my letter was lifted.
Where else can I post on a 100 page thread about crawlers v. Minnows on eagle lake and find a fellow scooper that has fished with the same guide? Huh? Only on MUScoop.
Going tomorrow to Red Wing to fish the Mississippi. Monster eyes.
Oh, and the bball talk is great.
I nominate Lloyd Moore's Legs for most creative moniker.
Seems to be some memory fog around here.
Mike Juno started Geocities. After 2-3 years, he and Dodds joined forces on Rivals, with Dodds promoting the site via his radio gig.
Dodds didn't "hijack" Rivals .. he and Juno had a disagreement over editorial policy (ironically due to someone who has posted in this thread) and decided to leave for Scout.
Juno did it alone for a while .. eventually Uncle John, SoCalWarrior and myself started moderating .. Rivals asked me to take over for Juno .. uncle john left due to his protests over the political board .. then I abandoned Rivals and got Rocky and Spiral to start Scoop.
I guess that reads like a soap opera .. but really, that's 15 years of history, from 1997 to now. Things have been relatively stable for 5 years now.
It is interesting to theorize .. Had Dodds not been involved years ago / been as editorially strict, that schism wouldn't have happened. We'd probably all be on Rivals right now, no Scoop, no Scout.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 12, 2012, 05:42:03 PM
I frequent and post on both sites, though I like the tone and temperament of this one better. For some reason, Dodds is convinced that I run this site, so any time I bring up this board, it's taken as though I'm trying to drive posters from his site over to this one*. There's sometimes value there, but there's definitely more of an elitist tone on that site that I'm not a fan of. I find it funny that a fair number of posters there seem to look down their noses at this site and feel there is some unspoken rivalry going on. Last I checked, we're all Marquette fans.
* Rocky, Hilltopper, Spiral, and company, feel free to start cutting me checks any time... ;D
I believe that way that that works is
you start cutting
them checks for the extra server space and time used by your newly supplied posters.
I go to both sites everyday, but rarely post on either.
I don't care about individual posters or their personalities on either board, so I skip over every joke or reference to another poster. I skip over a lot more on Scoop than Scout. I don't consider this a problem, but just not my cup of tea.
The guy....who writes...like this... and all the the OT Brewers B.S. (apparently now I'm supposed to believe there are a bunch of MLB fans in Milwaukee) can get very annoying, but I enjoy both boards.
Quote from: AZWarrior on April 12, 2012, 09:35:13 PM
Scout definitely has value but I spend the vast majority of my time here.
I'm STILL pissed about picking up a virus there.
The single best thing, IMO, which separates Scoop from Scout is the lack of Murf.
When I heard that a new board was starting over here, I ran over here, I simply couldn't put up with one more Murf post about how Diener wasn't a Division I player, and would never have been strong enough to get his shot off in the Big 10, if he had gone to Wisconsin. UUUGGG!!!
I've never gone back. I do miss Unclejohn, now that his name has come up.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 12, 2012, 10:50:58 PMI believe that way that that works is you start cutting them checks for the extra server space and time used by your newly supplied posters.
Dammit! I knew there was a flaw in my logic! :-[
Quote from: WI_inferiority_complexes on April 12, 2012, 11:12:46 PMThe guy....who writes...like this... and all the the OT Brewers B.S. (apparently now I'm supposed to believe there are a bunch of MLB fans in Milwaukee) can get very annoying, but I enjoy both boards.
The OT stuff drives me nuts, one thing I love about the Superbar. But what's worse there is that there are separate Packers, Bucks, and Brewers forums in the Scout site, they just never use it, instead putting it all in the Marquette basketball forum.
I think my biggest issue there is that it is a poorly moderated site. First, it's too much for one guy to do on his own. Second, too many trolls are allowed, something that would be easily fixed by forcing users to get approval, rather than letting every SMU, WVU, and Florida troll with a Scout account run roughshod over the board. Third, all the OT stuff should be done away with -- what's the point of having separate forums for other sports and not using them? Fourth, it'd be better if the skin was thicker. As someone mentioned, Dodds would never allow a thread like this, even though in all honesty, it does nothing to reduce his readership.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 12, 2012, 06:14:29 PM
Not familiar with Rehorst but it is likely not available in Seattle. As a grizzled fighter pilot I have developed a taste for single malt, especially the Islays. There is a world class brew pub here in Issaquah that is owned by Rogue out of Oregon. Not only do they make the finest hand crafted beers this side of Germany but they also make spirits. They have a single malt which has been, "Aged Six Fortnights." Priceless.
No Georgetown Brewery????
Both boards are for Mu fans to gather and diseminate information about their favorite team. each is run differently.
But...
This is where I have a huge problem with IWB.
The guy is not an MU grad. and only first showed up when he saw a dollar could be made. The Scout board began touting this heretofore never heard of recruiting expert, who's sole claim to fame was going and seeing Dom. James play once in HS!!
What did he really ever do but create the scout "insiders" board? Absolutely nothing but go to a few local AAu tournaments and create an "insiders" board where instead of all MU fans recollecting what they saw for all, a few "insiders" discussed amongst themselves, until the information ultimately got out anyway.
So he took previously public information and convinced a few suckers to pay $10 amonth to him to attempt to make the info private. Wow what a tremendous service and what did those suckers get for it?
Sounds to me alot like a fraternity, sorry but not a cup of tea that this old Warrior is interested in.
Then when apparently the gig was up on the "insiders" board he went and created his own website. Which was all kicked of with a click driving attempt all centered around a huge shitstorm that he created, in another self serving attempt monetize MU basketball fan interest.
A Marquette guy?
I know better
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 12, 2012, 11:12:51 PM
When I heard that a new board was starting over here, I ran over here, I simply couldn't put up with one more Murf post about how Diener wasn't a Division I player, and would never have been strong enough to get his shot off in the Big 10, if he had gone to Wisconsin. UUUGGG!!!
Cmon...Murff is a basketball expert. Just ask him.
With all fairness, I know he played at MU and was a high school coach, but his style went out with ball-hugger shorts.
Canadian:
I respect your opinon but....
I understand that IWB is not a Marquette Alumni but there are more than a handful of MU fans that care deeply about the program that are not alumni. At my job at the airport most of them are MU hoop fans and most of them never went to college but they love MU cause most grew up during the AL McGuire days.
IWB and Unclejohn are not MU alumni but both of them care deeply about the program and just because they get some money from a website here or there does not make them any less.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on April 13, 2012, 08:43:47 AM
I understand that IWB is not a Marquette Alumni but there are more than a handful of MU fans that care deeply about the program that are not alumni. At my job at the airport most of them are MU hoop fans and most of them never went to college but they love MU cause most grew up during the AL McGuire days.
IWB and Unclejohn are not MU alumni but both of them care deeply about the program and just because they get some money from a website here or there does not make them any less.
i agree with what you are saying. I get frustrated with the "only mu grads can be fans" attitude, however, not sure you can call yourself an "insider" if you have no connection to the program or university.
Quote from: Chili on April 13, 2012, 06:37:08 AM
No Georgetown Brewery????
Manny's is a damn fine beverage
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 13, 2012, 08:33:07 AM
Then when apparently the gig was up on the "insiders" board he went and created his own website. Which was all kicked of with a click driving attempt all centered around a huge crapstorm that he created, in another self serving attempt monetize MU basketball fan interest.
I think -- maybe hope is the better word -- that whatever credibility IWB had left took a serious hit after that stunt.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on April 12, 2012, 10:49:31 PM
Seems to be some memory fog around here.
Mike Juno started Geocities. After 2-3 years, he and Dodds joined forces on Rivals, with Dodds promoting the site via his radio gig.
Dodds didn't "hijack" Rivals .. he and Juno had a disagreement over editorial policy (ironically due to someone who has posted in this thread) and decided to leave for Scout.
Juno did it alone for a while .. eventually Uncle John, SoCalWarrior and myself started moderating .. Rivals asked me to take over for Juno .. uncle john left due to his protests over the political board .. then I abandoned Rivals and got Rocky and Spiral to start Scoop.
I guess that reads like a soap opera .. but really, that's 15 years of history, from 1997 to now. Things have been relatively stable for 5 years now.
It is interesting to theorize .. Had Dodds not been involved years ago / been as editorially strict, that schism wouldn't have happened. We'd probably all be on Rivals right now, no Scoop, no Scout.
Interesting, most of that is before my time. But I also remember JSOnline had a board that was decently active for a while, and specifically some pretty boy named Abe.
soooo ass**** apparently = pretty boy here. Good to know.
Quote from: Rubie Q on April 13, 2012, 09:18:59 AM
I think -- maybe hope is the better word -- that whatever credibility IWB had left took a serious hit after that stunt.
Not sure what has happened with IWB. He was on the JS payroll when he was the webmaster for a sports site but that didn't work out. His new site is weak, at best. Not sure how he was an "insider" other than he was Dodds butt buddy from grade school and that Dodds incessantly wrote that Ganzer has "more contacts than Bausch & Lombe."
The debacle over Buzz has got to have damaged the guy's credibility, certainly with Buzz and company. Tanned Tommy used Ganzer as a mouth piece but Buzz doesn't crave the spotlight like Crean so there is a lot less "insight" coming from the Al. Ganzer does run that summer tourney but thaqt is about it in terms of being an insider.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 13, 2012, 09:28:03 AM
The debacle over Buzz has got to have damaged the guy's credibility, certainly with Buzz and company. Tanned Tommy used Ganzer as a mouth piece but Buzz doesn't crave the spotlight like Crean so there is a lot less "insight" coming from the Al. Ganzer does run that summer tourney but thaqt is about it in terms of being an insider.
I don't think the SMU nonsense damaged IWB's credibility with Buzz.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on April 13, 2012, 08:43:47 AM
Canadian:
IWB and Unclejohn are not MU alumni but both of them care deeply about the program and just because they get some money from a website here or there does not make them any less.
John went to law school at Marquette.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 12, 2012, 05:59:22 PM
You should shop Milwaukee. Rehorst makes both Absolut and Grey Goose taste like swill. Phenomenal vodka.
5th-ing the Rehorst. Their vodka is awesome. Also good is their pumpkin liquor. Makes a nice old fashioned. Though I'm not a fan of their blended whisky - it's fine, but I prefer straight bourbon or rye over blends.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 13, 2012, 09:28:03 AM
Not sure what has happened with IWB. He was on the JS payroll when he was the webmaster for a sports site but that didn't work out. His new site is weak, at best. Not sure how he was an "insider" other than he was Dodds butt buddy from grade school and that Dodds incessantly wrote that Ganzer has "more contacts than Bausch & Lombe."
The debacle over Buzz has got to have damaged the guy's credibility, certainly with Buzz and company. Tanned Tommy used Ganzer as a mouth piece but Buzz doesn't crave the spotlight like Crean so there is a lot less "insight" coming from the Al. Ganzer does run that summer tourney but thaqt is about it in terms of being an insider.
The guy has been an absolute nomad. Sort of like the person we all know that always has some new great job or get rich quick scheme.
Unfortunately, he has never apparently learned that the public is not entirely stupid, especially when it pertains to giving away it's money for nothing. My guess is his pro-am goes by the wayside shortly, as has everything else he has touched.
Followed shortly thereafter with a relocation to Bloomington to reunite with the only guy that ever gave him the pleasure of a reach around.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 13, 2012, 09:28:03 AM
The debacle over Buzz has got to have damaged the guy's credibility, certainly with Buzz and company. Tanned Tommy used Ganzer as a mouth piece but Buzz doesn't crave the spotlight like Crean so there is a lot less "insight" coming from the Al.
According to whom?
-Maybe IWB made the whole thing up
-Maybe Buzz leaked it as a powerplay.
How do we know?
Quote from: T-Bone on April 13, 2012, 12:29:50 PM
5th-ing the Rehorst. Their vodka is awesome. Also good is their pumpkin liquor. Makes a nice old fashioned. Though I'm not a fan of their blended whisky - it's fine, but I prefer straight bourbon or rye over blends.
my vote goes with Marquette Vodka...from the old Frenn Brothers and Marquette Liquors...the nectar of the gods.
Am a Vodka looooover too.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 13, 2012, 12:39:02 PM
The guy has been an absolute nomad. Sort of like the person we all know that always has some new great job or get rich quick scheme.
Unfortunately, he has never apparently learned that the public is not entirely stupid, especially when it pertains to giving away it's money for nothing. My guess is his pro-am goes by the wayside shortly, as has everything else he has touched.
Followed shortly thereafter with a relocation to Bloomington to reunite with the only guy that ever gave him the pleasure of a reach around.
Extremely insightful
Quote from: real chili 83 on April 12, 2012, 10:44:29 PM
Where else can I post on a 100 page thread about crawlers v. Minnows on eagle lake and find a fellow scooper that has fished with the same guide? Huh? Only on MUScoop.
Going tomorrow to Red Wing to fish the Mississippi. Monster eyes.
Oh, and the bball talk is great.
I nominate Lloyd Moore's Legs for most creative moniker.
real are u BS ing or are you really a walleye fisherman?
i actually loved the fishing/boundary waters banter on the Thread of Threads.
been beating the walleye up. Caught 12 really nice walleye in three 2-3 hr excursions this week along with 6-7 smallies, 6-7 largemaouth and a pig!! almost 4 lbs whitebass.
good times
If I may quote from my absolutely new favorite website, 12bottlebar.com
QuoteWhy drink something flavorless? Classic cocktails are meant to taste good. Vodka is meant to deliver alcohol while you taste the other ingredients. There's a big gap there. Vodka also has a reputation as the liquor of choice for people who don't like liquor, and in many ways, this is very true.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on April 13, 2012, 12:40:26 PM
According to whom?
-Maybe IWB made the whole thing up
-Maybe Buzz leaked it as a powerplay.
How do we know?
I don't think IWB is dumb enough to run something like that without a source. It'd be career suicide.
Read his post on the subject again. There's only one place he could've been getting his information from.
IWB and Dodds do it for the money as much as I do.
A vodka distilled in New Richmond, WI called 45th Parallel is very tasteless and very good.
http://www.45thparallelspirits.com/reviews.html
Quote from: 2002MUalum on April 13, 2012, 12:40:26 PM
According to whom?
-Maybe IWB made the whole thing up
-Maybe Buzz leaked it as a powerplay.
How do we know?
Exactly. My guess is IWB did not have the complete sight picture either.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 13, 2012, 12:46:06 PM
real are u BS ing or are you really a walleye fisherman?
i actually loved the fishing/boundary waters banter on the Thread of Threads.
been beating the walleye up. Caught 12 really nice walleye in three 2-3 hr excursions this week along with 6-7 smallies, 6-7 largemaouth and a pig!! almost 4 lbs whitebass.
good times
Fished today in Red Wing in pool 4 on the Mississippi. 2eyes and one perch. Tough day with a falling barometer and winds at 25 mph. Had 2-3 foot waves at the "y"', just south of the Red Wing dam.
The FlW is having a tournament there next weekend. Lots of 21 foot Rangers with 300 Mercs on the river pre-fishing. 70k rigs. Met walleye fisherman at the bait shop from Texas, Tennessee, Ohio, etc.
Learned how to fish today with a Dubuque rig. Gotta keep it bouncing on the bottom.
Heading out tomorrow again. Need to catch some shore lunch!
Go Warriors!!!!!!!
Dimes, next time you head to Hayward, pm me. In-laws have a cabin about 30 min away. The Brule is a classic fly fishing river.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on April 13, 2012, 02:54:48 PM
A vodka distilled in New Richmond, WI called 45th Parallel is very tasteless and very good.
http://www.45thparallelspirits.com/reviews.html
How does it compare to Shakers?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 13, 2012, 08:39:25 AM
Cmon...Murff is a basketball expert. Just ask him.
With all fairness, I know he played at MU and was a high school coach, but his style went out with ball-hugger shorts.
If not the two handed set shot. I am NOT exaggerating about his total write off of Travis Diener's abilities coming out of HS.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 13, 2012, 05:39:26 PM
Exactly. My guess is IWB did not have the complete sight picture either.
Wait, so the fact that Buzz might have leaked the SMU rumor to IWB on purpose has cause IWB to lose credibility with Buzz because Buzz doesn't like the spotlight?
I think I'm missing something.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on April 14, 2012, 07:53:44 AM
Wait, so the fact that Buzz might have leaked the SMU rumor to IWB on purpose has cause IWB to lose credibility with Buzz because Buzz doesn't like the spotlight?
I think I'm missing something.
You are missing something. The facts.
Had a great beer last night - Lakefront Rendezvous. I had no idea it is from Milwaukee until someone pointed that out. Funny that is is available in Seattle.
Dodds has done great things for MU from the interviews with al on.
I really don't go over there, but it's just a habit thing. Started with cracked sidewalks, followed it here, and now it's a habit.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on April 14, 2012, 07:53:44 AM
Wait, so the fact that Buzz might have leaked the SMU rumor to IWB on purpose has cause IWB to lose credibility with Buzz because Buzz doesn't like the spotlight?
I think I'm missing something.
It wasn't IWB who leaked anything. I think Jeff Goodman or Andy Katz was the one who put out on twitter that SMU was showing interest in Buzz. I won't even comment on some of the other garbage posts on this thread. Fellow MU fans unified? Guess not.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 14, 2012, 11:57:15 AM
Had a great beer last night - Lakefront Rendezvous. I had no idea it is from Milwaukee until someone pointed that out. Funny that is is available in Seattle.
That is a fabulous beer. Their Fixed Gear is also outstanding
Quote from: mu03eng on April 14, 2012, 12:58:54 PM
That is a fabulous beer. Their Fixed Gear is also outstanding
I really enjoyed it until I read the bottle and the claim it was made with French yeast. Reminded me of a bordello in Marseilles...
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 14, 2012, 08:36:02 AM
You are missing something. The facts.
Agreed. Honestly, I have no idea what is going on with Buzz or IWB.
I was wondering how you came to your conclusions, but I think there must be some things that I don't know.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on April 14, 2012, 05:15:42 PM
Agreed. Honestly, I have no idea what is going on with Buzz or IWB.
I was wondering how you came to your conclusions, but I think there must be some things that I don't know.
None of us knows how any of that went down. I believe there was some bitterness on Buzz' part but that is purely supposition. The word originally came from Katz, not IWB. My only beef with IWB is that he always played the I gotta secret game. I was given a free "premium" membership one of the times I was in Iraq. I honestly saw nothing worth paying for. I sent IWB an email asking for amplification on one of his posts and he pleaded he could not burn a source! Puhleeeze! That's when I knew he was full of it.
Quote from: TedBaxter on April 14, 2012, 12:30:27 PM
It wasn't IWB who leaked anything. I think Jeff Goodman or Andy Katz was the one who put out on twitter that SMU was showing interest in Buzz. I won't even comment on some of the other garbage posts on this thread. Fellow MU fans unified? Guess not.
U apparently chose not to read IwBs posts stating what " he was hearing". He also state he was 60% certain he was gone.
Others reported SMU wanted to talk to Buzz about Benford
Hmmm
Quote from: TedBaxter on April 14, 2012, 12:30:27 PM
It wasn't IWB who leaked anything. I think Jeff Goodman or Andy Katz was the one who put out on twitter that SMU was showing interest in Buzz. I won't even comment on some of the other garbage posts on this thread. Fellow MU fans unified? Guess not.
Pretty sure IWB had it up first. I am certain that Goodman used IWB as his source for his article.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 16, 2012, 09:20:52 AM
Pretty sure IWB had it up first. I am certain that Goodman used IWB as his source for his article.
Pretty sure you are wrong
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18025287/smu-pursuing-marquettes-buzz-williams (March 24)
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?287-Could-Buzz-Williams-leave-Marquette-for-SMU (March 25)
Quote from: murara1994 on April 16, 2012, 09:27:44 AM
Pretty sure you are wrong
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18025287/smu-pursuing-marquettes-buzz-williams (March 24)
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?287-Could-Buzz-Williams-leave-Marquette-for-SMU (March 25)
Right: the issue isn't who had it up first; the issue is who treated it as anything other than nonsense. Goodman, Katz, Seth Davis -- all of them dismissed it out-of-hand as pie-in-the-sky dreaming by SMU. IWB was the only one who said it was "more than a rumor."
Quote from: Rubie Q on April 16, 2012, 09:30:27 AM
Right: the issue isn't who had it up first; the issue is who treated it as anything other than nonsense. Goodman, Katz, Seth Davis -- all of them dismissed it out-of-hand as pie-in-the-sky dreaming by SMU. IWB was the only one who said it was "more than a rumor."
So what? If IWB believed it was likely to happen (60%), and it didn't happen, why does that necessarily reflect poorly on him?
Quote from: TedBaxter on April 14, 2012, 12:30:27 PM
It wasn't IWB who leaked anything. I think Jeff Goodman or Andy Katz was the one who put out on twitter that SMU was showing interest in Buzz. I won't even comment on some of the other garbage posts on this thread. Fellow MU fans unified? Guess not.
Yep, some folks here really don't get it. As noted here now, it was Goodman who first posted the "rumor" and all IWB did was to say that permission was granted to SMU to speak to Buzz and that the story had some legs. As Goodman noted, its was highly unlikely that Buzz would bite on an offer from SMU. As with Majerus, that was true.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 16, 2012, 09:37:31 AM
Yep, some folks here really don't get it. As noted here now, it was Goodman who first posted the "rumor" and all IWB did was to say that permission was granted to SMU to speak to Buzz and that the story had some legs. As Goodman noted, its was highly unlikely that Buzz would bite on an offer from SMU. As with Majerus, that was true.
He also told MU fans they should be concerned and were in "for a bumpy ride," then took oblique shots at Fr. Pilarz and Larry Williams in his post for messing with Buzz's happy. He's the one who fueled the brief-but-intense frenzy around this non-story.
Quote from: Rubie Q on April 16, 2012, 09:50:22 AM
He also told MU fans they should be concerned and were in "for a bumpy ride," then took oblique shots at Fr. Pilarz and Larry Williams in his post for messing with Buzz's happy. He's the one who fueled the brief-but-intense frenzy around this non-story.
And you know that it was a non-story...?
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 16, 2012, 10:23:25 AM
And you know that it was a non-story...?
You mean, besides the fact that it was Buzz Williams taking the job at SM-Freaking-U?
Quote from: Rubie Q on April 16, 2012, 10:31:53 AM
You mean, besides the fact that it was Buzz Williams taking the job at SM-Freaking-U?
While I agree that it was a pretty unbelievable end game, the alleged rift between the new administration and Buzz has been confirmed by almost everyone. I think that disqualifies it from being a "non-story".
Quote from: Bocephys on April 16, 2012, 10:41:12 AM
While I agree that it was a pretty unbelievable end game, the alleged rift between the new administration and Buzz has been confirmed by almost everyone. I think that disqualifies it from being a "non-story".
Those are two different things, in my mind: I think there are/were issues with Buzz and the administration. But that doesn't mean that Buzz was ever seriously considering taking the SMU job. And the latter is what I was calling a "non-story."
Quote from: Rubie Q on April 16, 2012, 10:45:07 AM
Those are two different things, in my mind: I think there are/were issues with Buzz and the administration. But that doesn't mean that Buzz was ever seriously considering taking the SMU job. And the latter is what I was calling a "non-story."
Was Buzz bluffing? Probably yes. If the administration called his bluff, would Buzz be at SMU? Maybe. Calling this scenario a non-story is ludicrous.
Quote from: murara1994 on April 16, 2012, 10:53:52 AM
Was Buzz bluffing? Probably yes. If the administration called his bluff, would Buzz be at SMU? Maybe. Calling this scenario a non-story is ludicrous.
Was Buzz bluffing? Probably yes.
It's hard to see how Buzz was bluffing when he didn't initiate contact with anybody.
If the administration called his bluff, would Buzz be at SMU? Maybe.
According to IBW; "I have learned that SMU has requested permission to speak with Buzz Williams, and Marquette has granted permission to SMU."
If that's true, then I don't see how anyone could say that Marquette
didn't call Buzz's bluff.
IF Buzz was not happy would he really leave for SMU? Last year showed him that if he ever wants to leave, he'll have far better options at just as high a salary by exercising a little patience.
Therefore, non-story.
From what I have heard MU called Buzz's bluff and basically said you are a big guy and you should do what is best for you and your family. If you think SMU is better place you should take the job. It is far from a non story because of the meaning behind the SMU discussions between Buzz and MU. Buzz knows he is in the drivers seat and why not wait for better gig next year if things do not improve.
I believe Buzz is going to do whatever he can to make next years team play at a very high level and bringing transfers or freshmen that can play is best option. Bringing in a one year transfer is not building a program and sole purpose to me is to prevent a decline next season.
Everyone can debate on who called the thing first but it really does not matter.
Quote from: real chili 83 on April 13, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
How does it compare to Shakers?
Super clean vodka whose owners just recently filed for bankruptcy.
So, who is right? Former MU football Coach Norm "Bad Breath" Killion?
http://www.hostedfootball.net/womens_football_camp/call_page.asp?page=PAST_COACHES&affiliation=HostedFootball&username=womens_football_camp
So who among us hath cast the first stone?
Quote from: Goose on April 16, 2012, 01:41:12 PM
From what I have heard MU called Buzz's bluff and basically said you are a big guy and you should do what is best for you and your family. If you think SMU is better place you should take the job. It is far from a non story because of the meaning behind the SMU discussions between Buzz and MU. Buzz knows he is in the drivers seat and why not wait for better gig next year if things do not improve.
I believe Buzz is going to do whatever he can to make next years team play at a very high level and bringing transfers or freshmen that can play is best option. Bringing in a one year transfer is not building a program and sole purpose to me is to prevent a decline next season.
Everyone can debate on who called the thing first but it really does not matter.
So, what you're saying is that Buzz is definitely leaving, it's just a matter of when? And the Lockett situation indicates that Buzz is no longer in program building mode, but instead is just plugging gaps until he leaves?
There may be more to this than we know. The Jason King report is revealing.
LittleMurs
Staying for a year and off to the races. Unless miracle fence mending and I would bet my house he is gone in 11 months. The stalemate this year allows Buzz to get right job, not SMU, and MU knows they need a coach in a year.
So yes I think he is in win now for next year and not long term building. Seriously, unless missing link on NC team why would you take a one year kid that is not a real one and done?
Quote from: Goose on April 17, 2012, 05:42:45 PM
LittleMurs
Staying for a year and off to the races. Unless miracle fence mending and I would bet my house he is gone in 11 months. The stalemate this year allows Buzz to get right job, not SMU, and MU knows they need a coach in a year.
So yes I think he is in win now for next year and not long term building. Seriously, unless missing link on NC team why would you take a one year kid that is not a real one and done?
I'll take that bet.
Jmayer
Take the bet with inside info or playing a hunch?
Great - we moved on from "Buzz maybe leaving this year" to "I am sure Buzz is leaving next year."
It's going to be a great year...
Quote from: madtownwarrior on April 17, 2012, 06:23:27 PM
Great - we moved on from "Buzz maybe leaving this year" to "I am sure Buzz is leaving next year."
It's going to be a great year...
Sounds like the reality had a lot more traction than we thought.
Anyhow, Brown is putting together a crew there. I think they will make a splash
Madtown
For argument sake assume my premise is correct. Wouldn't you rather have a year to put together search committee and do your homework than chase like Illinois and other schools did three weeks ago. If I am correct MU can attempt to do their homework and be prepared once season comes to an end next year. I think a back room deal for Buzz staying another year was not stupid idea, if indeed that happened.
If the parties really are at stalemate it was win- win for Buzz to stay another year. This story has and legs for months and think it has long life yet to come.
Quote from: Goose on April 17, 2012, 06:31:19 PM
Madtown
For argument sake assume my premise is correct. Wouldn't you rather have a year to put together search committee and do your homework than chase like Illinois and other schools did three weeks ago. If I am correct MU can attempt to do their homework and be prepared once season comes to an end next year. I think a back room deal for Buzz staying another year was not stupid idea, if indeed that happened.
If the parties really are at stalemate it was win- win for Buzz to stay another year. This story has and legs for months and think it has long life yet to come.
What is IWB reporting?
Quote from: Goose on April 17, 2012, 06:20:31 PM
Jmayer
Take the bet with inside info or playing a hunch?
No inside info, I just think it's common sense. If the relationship is so broken that it's inevitable he'll leave next year, then one of the sides (either Buzz or MU) would have ended it this year.
I see some positive but don't like it - 1) prefer Buzz to other coaches 2) team would still take a serious hit on recruits and transfers - hard to mitigate that, probably lose Wilson and Burton, still sets MU back 2 years
Quote from: Goose on April 17, 2012, 06:31:19 PM
Madtown
For argument sake assume my premise is correct. Wouldn't you rather have a year to put together search committee and do your homework than chase like Illinois and other schools did three weeks ago. If I am correct MU can attempt to do their homework and be prepared once season comes to an end next year. I think a back room deal for Buzz staying another year was not stupid idea, if indeed that happened.
If the parties really are at stalemate it was win- win for Buzz to stay another year. This story has and legs for months and think it has long life yet to come.
and another reason come ot this board - zero talk of this as the Scout board - must have the clamps extra tight...
Madtown
Of course I also want Buzz here for long time and that is why I repeated myself the 100x you noted last month. At the time I thought it was serious issue, actually thought so as far as back last December, and wanted to make sure story had some legs. Losing Buzz, if he leaves, will be major, major, major blow to program. 4ever mentioned it and was laughed at for saying it but he is correct. A ton of things in play in this saga and hopefully a miracle can happen.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on April 17, 2012, 06:49:01 PM
and another reason come ot this board - zero talk of this as the Scout board - must have the clamps extra tight...
Dodds fancies himself a "journalist" and yet he fears the truth
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 05:37:55 PM
There may be more to this than we know. The Jason King report is revealing.
Bears out what IWB had said and you and the chorus here attacked. Pretty pathetic, if you ask me.
Quote from: MUMac on April 17, 2012, 09:30:02 PM
Bears out what IWB had said and you and the chorus here attacked. Pretty pathetic, if you ask me.
I never attacked IWB's report. I mocked his "insider attitude."
That attitude is very pathetic
Quote from: mu03eng on April 14, 2012, 12:58:54 PM
That is a fabulous beer. Their Fixed Gear is also outstanding
Out of Rendezvous so I tried the Fixed Gear Red. Superb floral top notes with a caramel finish. I shall savor it again. Excellent swuggestion, MU03
Quick look at the Scout board shows far less spirited debate on the burning issues being addressed here.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on April 17, 2012, 06:23:27 PM
Great - we moved on from "Buzz maybe leaving this year" to "I am sure Buzz is leaving next year."
It's going to be a great year...
Gonna be a long thread.
Quote from: Goose on April 17, 2012, 06:31:19 PM
Madtown
For argument sake assume my premise is correct. Wouldn't you rather have a year to put together search committee and do your homework than chase like Illinois and other schools did three weeks ago. If I am correct MU can attempt to do their homework and be prepared once season comes to an end next year. I think a back room deal for Buzz staying another year was not stupid idea, if indeed that happened.
If the parties really are at stalemate it was win- win for Buzz to stay another year. This story has and legs for months and think it has long life yet to come.
I conclude we have a year to get rid of our AD.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 19, 2012, 06:28:05 PM
Quick look at the Scout board shows far less spirited debate on the burning issues being addressed here.
I had burning issues once, and I addressed them. Went to the doctor, he gave me a prescription, I took it, and everything's all right.........for now.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 19, 2012, 06:28:05 PM
Quick look at the Scout board shows far less spirited debate on the burning issues being addressed here.
Maybe that board is not so bad after all. The paranoia and stupid ability to make a mountain out of a molehill out of dumb internet speculation is painful.
Again a christian school from Buzzs hometown asked to speak to him, how could he not listen. All this stupid speculation only makes sense if he took the job
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 19, 2012, 11:55:49 PM
Maybe that board is not so bad after all. The paranoia and stupid ability to make a mountain out of a molehill out of dumb internet speculation is painful.
Again a christian school from Buzzs hometown asked to speak to him, how could he not listen. All this stupid speculation only makes sense if he took the job
It wouldn't really be speculation then, would it?
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 19, 2012, 11:55:49 PM
All this stupid speculation only makes sense if he took the job
Perhaps. But it indicates the man is open to listening to offers. Something changed over the course of the past year.
Quote from: Knight Commission on April 12, 2012, 05:28:11 PM
Not a member but if there is a major event I will check out what's going on. The leader of that board Dodds (sp?) made me change my "Name" when he hijacked the Rivals board from Mike Juno. Said someone from CUSA told him to tell me. Kool Aid drinkers....
I fell off my chair when I read this. I have not thought of this in 10 yrs but if this is part of your 'list of grievances'....OK....You used to post under the name of 'Mike Slive'....and the CUSA offices and all CUSA college teams monitor the boards. Brian Teeter the Dep Commissioner called me and asked me if we would change your screen name because ..even though unlikely, "someone might think that the real Mike Slive was making the post." I told him I could not change the screen name but I could ask the poster if he would change his 'handle'....I sent an email to you about it...explaining the situation and you agreed to change it. I thanked you and moved on. Never thought of it until I saw you post.
Now, why would I do this? Ego? Dodds is on a power trip? Or...did I view this as insignificant issue, esp after you agreed to change your name...and viewed Brian Teeter as a'go to source for info or background in CUSA?' ..a valuable source for info in the future?
If changing your screen name was traumatic and you still think about it 10 yrs later...let's talk about it...because it sure must be a big deal to you.
BTW...I did not hijack the Rivals site...when Mike Juno moved his site from Geopcities to Alliance Sport, run by Jim Heckman in '99...I started my radio show on MU...and wanted to get it streamed. Mike introduced me to Heckman who agreed to give me a site for this. When Heckman was forced out in the dot com bubble of 2000...Alliance Sports went out of business...the survivor entity came out of bankruptcy. I called Mike to combine forces...and it worked out well for 2 yrs...Mike the techie and hard working event guy...and me more of the historian pre '77....and I publicized the heck out of the site on my radio show and when I was a guest on Homer, WTMJ or the Score in Chi..
Why the break up? I was at Summerfest in 2003 and got a call that we had a commitment from Kinsella and Amoroso. I headed back home to write about it when I saw a Nate Dogg post...basically saying..'Why did we go to the Final Four if we are going to settle for 2 white guys from Minn?' Let's just say it was 10 paragraphs and more colorful. I was mortified...because...these were oral commitments not signed LOI. What if the families came to the board and saw that MU student were a bunch of racists and wanted the players to go elsewhere? So I deleted it...and he reposted...and I deleted it...then Mike stepped in and wanted it up. I called him at home...and a 2 hr conversation ensued. I wanted to report on recruiting but not impact it. Mike wanted a free flow of ideas on the boards. I was 43 and more concerned about what could happen. Mike was 22 and wanted more freedom of expression... Neither was wrong...or 100% right. So I said 'You buy me out or I buy you out but I do not want my name associated with a post like this.'...so Mike bought me out. If we had known that Mike would move to Florida and phase out of the site, I would have bought him out...but that is how it went down...and Mike asked me to keep this issue confidential for 2 yrs...so I did..
I looked for another option...and learned that Jim Heckman had just founded Scout.com under a different business model. Instead of revenue from ads/hits...it was subscription revenue only. Rivals later followed this model.
I started the Scout site the day of the MU v UW game in Madison in Dec 2003...Other than the one night...Mike and I never disagreed about anything. He is a great guy...and the story of how he started the Geocities site as a HS junior from a hospital bed while recovering from surgery is a great story...
So...no one hijacked any site from anyone. But I never realized how much you liked the 'Mike Slive' screen name. Why dont you use it now?
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 12, 2012, 05:20:08 PM
Al once said, "If the waitresses have dirty ankles the food will be good." Somehow, I think Al would prefer the unbridled give and take of this board versus the sanctimonious drivel of Dodds'.
Al is the guy who stood on the scorer's table after a last second win over Wisconsin, inciting the Hughes twins father to flip him off. Al got into a fist fight with Toone at half time of the NCAA Cincy game. Ted Sorensen wrote in his biography of Bobby Kennedy that the only two white men who could safely walk the streets of Harlem and Bed Sty in the spring and summer of 68 were Bobby and Al. There was grit under his finger nails, a never back down fierceness developed during his teens leaping over the bar in his father's joint to take on a nasty drunk. That attitude is what permeates this site, gives it its personae, adds color, and defines its character. There was an edge to Al and that is very much evident here.
Dodds site is Ward Cleaver who only boned June every fourth Saturday. It is Country Club Republican with an affected politeness, a veneer of civility trying desperately to mask deep seated jealousies, hatreds, rivalries, and psychoses. Marquette Hoops is white bread, milk toast, roast chicken on Sundays after Mass. It has all the honesty of Gibson Martinis made with no-name hooch dispensed from a Grey Goose bottle. Dodds pretends to be a hard hitting journalist dispensing insight and honesty. He delivers neither. He likens his editorial policies to Joe Stalin and in a way he is right - I will only accept what I agree with. And yet, he lacks Stalin's balls. Stalin allowed his minions to play themselves out against each other in a virtual Hegelian dialectic in order to arrive at the best decision.
I very much prefer Scoop. It has warts, it has battle scars, and it has Chicos flying under a Nom de Cyber but it most genuinely reflects the spirit that was Al.
That is a creative post......Funny, you start a radio show and stream it over a website when you are 39..the website becomes a recruiting site....and 13 yrs later you somehow have become the old fogy establishment. I am trying to figure out what yr this happened. "sanctimonious drivel?' No, I am married now...so I have a wife who can help me clean up.
I can identify with Ward....it is hard to be the dad....and Wally and Beaver might not be the best dressed kids in Mayfield...but June and I try.
You don't have to agree with me on our MUHoops board...heck...Murf has been posting for yrs...I don't agree with him. But I do have more rules of conduct...I think it is because my name is on the site. It makes you more responsible. There is a lot of "key board courage" out there...and it is fun to post anything at anytime...
I think MU Hilltopper does a great job here...in fact I tried to hire him at our site when he left Rivals....I would guess if moderators marketed this site using their real names...and people knew who they were...there would be more limits.....maybe not....
The Stalin thing is overblown...my philosophy is to report on the program...not impact it by influencing future events. It is a tough line to keep...and I am not perfect at it...and I make mistakes no question...but it is a hobby...I sell life insurance to pay the bills. MU basketball and GB Packer FB are my passions. In business, when we are done with estate planning and succession issues, I talk MU basketball with MU fans. With my UW clients, I talk Packers....or what Badger FB player will be in the draft. I have worked at 600+ MU home games and 352 GB games[yes..like Buzz, I keep track.]...I try to bring more historical context...and I don't get excited over games or rumors as much as some do. Why? Because I have seen it before...does that make me Zeus on Mt Olympus or just old? You be the judge.
A few yrs ago, a member of our student staff heard from a student manager and then from the player himself that that player was going to transfer. He wanted to put it up on the board. I held off...because I saw the same thing happen when I was a student. A player hated the coach and wanted out. But I saw first hand that D-1 hoops is 6 mos cluster stoop[as Dennis Miller would say]...with pressures on players...coaches...and you have to be careful with rumors. The player did not leave...and called the coach he hated...'a second father to me' at the yr end basketball banquet.
Unlike Stalin...I guess I did not have the balls to kill 10 million people. So...I guess you are right. 'Mr Dodds...you are no Joe Stalin.' It is a charade.
I sense reading your posts in this thread...if this were the 1820s...you would be happiest as a fur trader out in the wilderness....where you can shoot at anything that moves without fear of limits...other than an occasional arrow.
I am a MU basketball fan...have a passion for MU hoops...began watching it in '65....worked at Rick Majerus camps in HS...at the end of my Sr yr at MUHS, Rick called me " the least athletic 6-6 post player I have ever seen...but you worked at my inner city camps for 2 yrs without getting paid. What can I do for you?' He got me the job in Sports Info even though I was a business major. I owe it all to Rick.
My dad was from Des Moines and attended MU on a hoops scholarship in 1947...but he blew his knee..lost his schollie...and went into coaching at MUHS '55-61 and Tosa East '66-73....he had 2 players who attended MU...Bob Hornak and Ace Vollmer...so I have heard MU stories post WWII. So I don't think Buzz sucks losing to SH on their Sr Night. If this is not hard hitting enough for you...I can live with that...
We all have battle scars and warts...not really sure about 'a virtual Hegelian dialect'....it sounds bad....
Time to go.......I have to leave my job here at the old salt mines...Wally and I are going to the big game with Fred Rutherford and his son Clarence. Take care. Go MU!
JD from MU Hoops.com
Quote from: DoddsOnSports.com on April 21, 2012, 12:08:47 PM
Why? Because I have seen it before...does that make me Zeus on Mt Olympus or just old? You be the judge.
Really good roller coaster in the Dells.
Ward Cleaver or Al? You choose
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 12, 2012, 07:52:48 PM
Seattle's a great town to drink in...really enjoyed going out when I made it to the left coast. Rogue's Dead Guy is quality, and love their Chocolate Stout. If you ever get back Midwest, definitely give Rehorst a shot. Whether in a mix, on the rocks, or straight up, it's very good stuff.
If you ever get up this way let me know. I am a Citizen of Rogue Nation and would be honored to buy you a few pints of the world's finest microbrews!
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 05:57:34 PM
If you ever get up this way let me know. I am a Citizen of Rogue Nation and would be honored to buy you a few pints of the world's finest microbrews!
If I do, you can count on it. Still got some family (okay...one cousin) up that way, visited a couple times, and the missus can usually be counted on to travel most anywhere ;D
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2012, 10:31:50 AM
If I do, you can count on it. Still got some family (okay...one cousin) up that way, visited a couple times, and the missus can usually be counted on to travel most anywhere ;D
Don't forget to take photos to prove that both of you aren't Chicos
Quote from: Bocephys on April 24, 2012, 12:58:18 PM
Don't forget to take photos to prove that both of you aren't Chicos
We'll get Chico's wife to snap the pics of the 3 of us sitting together at the Issaquah Brewhouse
Just to get this back on topic...
Issaquah is to Seattle what Scout is to scoop.
Quote from: PJDunn on April 24, 2012, 07:17:32 PM
Just to get this back on topic...
Issaquah is to Seattle what Scout is to scoop.
100% correct!
But not if you live on a mountain!
Good to have mountains around. Full disclosure - I live in Magnolia, a somewhat "scoutish" part of Seattle.
Fairly new to scoop, and honestly I'd never even heard of scout before this thread started.
I'm glad whatever led me to this board did because it seems a lot more entertaining. Looked on the google searches and scout seems to come up first in some random searches, but I think seeing that scoop had MU in the actual site name made me assume it was going to be a bit more knowledgable in the 2 seconds it took me to click.
Quote from: PJDunn on April 25, 2012, 09:07:19 AM
Good to have mountains around. Full disclosure - I live in Magnolia, a somewhat "scoutish" part of Seattle.
Did you go to Buckley's in Queen Anne to watch the tourney games? I watched last year's Syracuse win at a sports bar with mates next to the TMO campus in Bellevue. I joined you guys at Buckley's for the debacle against UNC so this year I watched all the games in Bellevue. Obviously didn't work.
Let me know if you ever want to grab a beer.
The T-Mobile Corp Strategy team is populated by many Germans who are doing expat assignments from our parent, Deutsch Telekom. As a result, we often savor the taste of malted beverages during working lunches. One of the selections was a Black Ale from Milwaukee's Lakefront brewery. I have to say it was actually rather good. I expected something darker and heavier, along the lines of a stout or porter. Instead this was much lighter and superbly refreshing. I strongly recommend this beverage.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 27, 2012, 04:24:18 PM
The T-Mobile Corp Strategy team is populated by many Germans who are doing expat assignments from our parent, Deutsch Telekom. As a result, we often savor the taste of malted beverages during working lunches. One of the selections was a Black Ale from Milwaukee's Lakefront brewery. I have to say it was actually rather good. I expected something darker and heavier, along the lines of a stout or porter. Instead this was much lighter and superbly refreshing. I strongly recommend this beverage.
The Black IPA, or Eastside Dark? Both are very good, IMO. Eastside Dark is my go-to Lakefront Beer.
Well, it was a dark version of the India Pale Ale. Perhaps it should be called an IBA? Anyhow, it was a great beer. I know Guinness launched a Black non-stout beer but it is a lager.
When I lived in Jakarta I was good friends with John Irving, the Managing Director of Guinness in Indonesia. John is a Jordy Brit - therefore rather witty and a superb raconteur. He had a great bar set up in his home and was known to host social events. Every year, when Jakarta Intl School (JIS) would close for the summer, wives would swarm home with children, leaving the Jakarta expat world one of bored expat men. John was known to gather the tribe together and more than 50 guys would pitch up for an evening of free Guinness. John always asked, "Can I pour you a Guinness or would you prefer a blond?" One time I replied that a blond would be a refreshing palate cleanser...word of this comment got back to Mrs Warthog who was not amused. At all, in fact.
I visit both boards on a regular basis and enjoy each for what they are.
I've been around the Marquette basketball message boards since the old Rivals board. Then there was the "split" of the new Rivals board. Over time I stopped even checking in on the Scout site. Not for any particular reason, though, more than any reason than I don't have as much free time anymore do to work and family. One site is enough for AC.
I like Dodds and have always defended him and his right to run his site however he sees fit. Dodds has done and still does a lot for Marquette and Marquette basketball so you will never hear me give him anything over than praise. But I think I prefer this site because there is a younger and snarkier vibe here. While I'm not young anymore (37), there is a part of me that likes to have fun especially when talking sports. I think that's why I still post here and don't check in on Scout anymore.
Quote from: AZWarrior on April 12, 2012, 09:35:13 PM
Scout definitely has value but I spend the vast majority of my time here.
I'm STILL pissed about picking up a virus there.
The single best thing, IMO, which separates Scoop from Scout is the lack of Murf.
Say what you want about Murf, but he was a great, great athlete at Marquette. My feeling on him is he has walked the walked in his time on this planet and, like it or not, he can say what he wants. And I agree with him on almost nothing so that's saying a lot!
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 29, 2012, 08:19:47 PM
Say what you want about Murf, but he was a great, great athlete at Marquette. My feeling on him is he has walked the walked in his time on this planet and, like it or not, he can say what he wants. And I agree with him on almost nothing so that's saying a lot!
Is he still going on about The Wide Post?
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 29, 2012, 09:59:46 PM
Is he still going on about The Wide Post?
Yup, there's as many people that would be perfect to utilize in the wide post as there are guys perfect for the Swing.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 29, 2012, 10:05:34 PM
Yup, there's as many people that would be perfect to utilize in the wide post as there are guys perfect for the Swing.
Is Travis Diener still a dime a dozen talent?
Who here has been banned by Dodds?
I too wear the Dodds Scarlet Letter
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 02, 2012, 06:44:32 PM
I too wear the Dodds Scarlet Letter
They don't like haiku's on the other site?
A quick scan suggests this board gets 4-5 x the traffic than Dodds. Problem with the Dodds board is there is a pronounced herd/group think mentality whereas Scoop offers a more intense form of dialogue.
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 02, 2012, 06:39:32 PM
Who here has been banned by Dodds?
Who here....winces....when trying...to read...Dodd's posts...? It's like a magic keyboard where the period, comma, semicolon, and even spacebar result in "..." being typed.
Quote from: chapman on May 04, 2012, 09:15:51 PM
Who here....winces....when trying...to read...Dodd's posts...? It's like a magic keyboard where the period, comma, semicolon, and even spacebar result in "..." being typed.
I never understood why Dodds writes that way. Stream of consciousness? Inability to compose a proper sentence? Brilliant bon mots?
Dodds banned me because my name referenced indigenous peoples. I told him I was a first nation's member but he said I couldn't have the name. I haven't been back since.
Quote from: TribalRage on May 10, 2012, 01:37:15 PM
Dodds banned me because my name referenced indigenous peoples. I told him I was a first nation's member but he said I couldn't have the name. I haven't been back since.
"Indigenous Creatures" was one of my team name suggestions back in the day of the name change. That and "Jumping Jesuits".
I called Dodds "ignorant" earlier this week and I didn't even get suspended.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 10, 2012, 05:05:51 PM
I called Dodds "ignorant" earlier this week and I didn't even get suspended.
We know he knows you know he knows he needs you.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 10, 2012, 05:05:51 PM
I called Dodds "ignorant" earlier this week and I didn't even get suspended.
Was your post a serious disagreement and you meant him being ignorant or was it a joshing barb? I took the time to explain my name (different from here) and he said simply he would not allow it. I was shocked at his approach. His site isn't that good anyway. Everybody seems to do a group think group hug.
Quote from: AZWarrior on May 10, 2012, 05:03:33 PM
"Indigenous Creatures" was one of my team name suggestions back in the day of the name change. That and "Jumping Jesuits".
"Politically Correct Eunuchs" was my preference.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 10, 2012, 05:05:51 PM
I called Dodds "ignorant" earlier this week and I didn't even get suspended.
TheSultan wrote:
I am going to trust economic studies produced by economists long before I trust economic studies produced by the musings of a message board moderator. Silly me.
DavidBoone wrote:
JD, this guy Mr. TheSultan absolutely drives me nuts. If you want, I'll posterized him for you! Just kidding, looks like you posterized him yourself and very well I might add.
What does "posterized" mean? Sounds onerous. Anyhow, sorry to hear "JD" posterized you. Here's wishing for a speedy recovery.
It wasn't Dodds, it was this odd "David Boone 2 Inches Taller" guy who when someone he feels makes some sort of valid counter-argument, "posterizes" people.
Honestly, I don't know why I post there. It is full of the basketball retarded.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 11, 2012, 10:51:41 AM
It wasn't Dodds, it was this odd "David Boone 2 Inches Taller" guy who when someone he feels makes some sort of valid counter-argument, "posterizes" people.
Honestly, I don't know why I post there. It is full of the basketball retarded.
Dodds is an egomaniac without basis and his crowd is a bunch of pathetic sycophants. That quote by this Boone fellow is not just weird but creepy.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 11, 2012, 10:51:41 AMIt wasn't Dodds, it was this odd "David Boone 2 Inches Taller" guy who when someone he feels makes some sort of valid counter-argument, "posterizes" people. Honestly, I don't know why I post there. It is full of the basketball retarded.
DavidBoone wrote:
Go ahead, Mr. the Sultan, question my premise on this. I know you will. JD is 100% correct in what he is saying and I don't always stick-up for him. But I will warn you, I have posterized you before on this board and that was relatively simple stuff...on this issue you are way out of your league.
We do all agree on one issue though Mr. TheSultan... you are silly.
Wow. I read a little further and found this. You must be shetting your pants.
What is "posterized"? Did it hurt going in?
Quote from: TribalRage on May 11, 2012, 11:04:49 AM
DavidBoone wrote:
We do all agree on one issue though Mr. TheSultan... you are silly.
Wow. I read a little further and found this. You must be shetting your pants.
What is "posterized"? Did it hurt going in?
Keep in mind that it's "posterized", not posterior-ized!
posterized
A slang term depicting a play in basketball. In said play, a player dunks the ball over top or in front of another player, making a play so picturesque that it may appear on a poster, hence the term, posterized.
Some players may have their own versions of this, such as Greg Ostertag of the Sacramento Kings. When someone is 'posterized' by Ostertag, they are 'Osterized'. This pay is known as 'dirty' and 'ugly' and is generally unwanted throughout the NBA.
a) Yo man! VC just posterized the Pistons! Ben Wallace, you's a poster!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=posterized&defid=921141
That is really pathetic. I'll bet Sultan feels like an arsewipe for getting posterized by a numb nut.
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 11, 2012, 03:42:29 PM
That is really pathetic. I'll bet Sultan feels like an pretty boy for getting posterized by a numb nut.
well that sounds more like getting tea-bagged :o
What is strange about that Boone dude is how he gloats about Dodds "posterizing" Sultan. Kinda like how Star Trek or Star War dudes giggle about some inside joke.
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 11, 2012, 05:01:26 PM
What is strange about that Boone dude is how he gloats about Dodds "posterizing" Sultan. Kinda like how Star Trek or Star War dudes giggle about some inside joke.
Except the Trekkies and Star Wars fans can at least share the joke with each other. Boone is laughing alone, like the demented nut in the corner.
Boone has posted some really good stuff there in the past. He feels Dodds dominated this argument. It is one man's opinion and I don't share it. The differing perspectives and discussions appeal to me. I enjoy seeing multiple angles on an issue.
Quote from: tower912 on May 11, 2012, 05:55:09 PMBoone has posted some really good stuff there in the past. He feels Dodds dominated this argument. It is one man's opinion and I don't share it. The differing perspectives and discussions appeal to me. I enjoy seeing multiple angles on an issue.
Except Dodds doesn't really allow free form discussion. He deletes posts and essentially out screams everyone else. Dodds wants a new arena and expects the public to pay for it (with a modicum of ownership capital.) Sultan presented some empiricism, unlike Dodds. Dodds was dismissive and basically ridiculed Sultan. This Boone kissed Dodds flabby arse cheeks (a common practice over there) and gloated with some weird insider joke. Cretins.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 11, 2012, 05:45:39 PM
Except the Trekkies and Star Wars fans can at least share the joke with each other. Boone is laughing alone, like the demented nut in the corner.
Lol...exactly!
Quote from: TribalRage on May 11, 2012, 10:55:57 AM
Dodds is an egomaniac without basis and his crowd is a bunch of pathetic sycophants. That quote by this Boone fellow is not just weird but creepy.
Dodds would hold court in the old Brooks Union with the same group of wierdos that fawn over his internet presence.
That's enough of that. I have never seen an internet forum moderated like that. God bless the moderators here for the open discussion they provide.
Man, I gotta get me some fawning sycophants.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on May 13, 2012, 07:28:24 PM
Man, I gotta get me some fawning sycophants.
I would like to nominate 4ever and ZFB! Do I hear a second?
For the record, I'm not the Boone who posts on Dodds' board.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 13, 2012, 07:30:59 PM
I would like to nominate 4ever and ZFB! Do I hear a second?
Murray, I'm my own dude. As for F*ckin', he follows in lockstep.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 13, 2012, 07:00:35 PM
That's enough of that. I have never seen an internet forum moderated like that. God bless the moderators here for the open discussion they provide.
Geeze you just made me go over there for the first time in 2 years to see what the hell was going on. Oddly, still not worth it.
The Sultan of Gonads, yo.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 13, 2012, 07:00:35 PM
That's enough of that. I have never seen an internet forum moderated like that. God bless the moderators here for the open discussion they provide.
To be fair sultan, you do need to realize that your opinion is not a fiat young man. Grow up.
Quote from: Nukem2 on May 13, 2012, 08:38:02 PM
To be fair sultan, you do need to realize that your opinion is not a fiat young man. Grow up.
Oh please. He shut down two threads on the same topic when he was proven wrong. People confident in their positions aren't scared of debate.
And stop the wise-old-man line OK???
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 13, 2012, 09:05:05 PM
Oh please. He shut down two threads on the same topic when he was proven wrong. People confident in their positions aren't scared of debate.
And stop the wise-old-man line OK???
Oh please, your sthick is getting to be too much. Your opinion is your own. You don't seem to get that. Young man. :)
Quote from: Nukem2 on May 13, 2012, 09:20:41 PM
Oh please, your sthick is getting to be too much. Your opinion is your own. You don't seem to get that. Young man. :)
Then put me on ignore. Cause I aint changing.
I vehemently dislike Dodds' posts (which amount to James Joyce-ian drivel with an obligatory stupid blender statement), as well as the tinted shades he wears. However, I think there are some valuable posters on both boards.
That being said, Sultan's thread is possibly the weakest thing I've ever seen. Calling anyone anything on the interwebs is mighty pathetic... regardless of their decorum on any forum, let alone the one they run.
Eh. Done it before. I'll do it again. Sunrise, sunset...
I think it was OTT, but I understand the frustration. Dodds made an argument, was clearly outdebated in the thread, then closed it with an article that he though settled everything. Then he himself started a new thread on essentially the same topic, was outdebated in the thread using evidence from the article that he himself had posted, and closed it. I can't fathom the reason for closing either. Was he embarrassed, upset that people didn't agree with him, or did he just want the dissenting opinions to disappear down the board?
I found it odd that his only obsession seemed to be that people take his side. For someone who spouts off on the importance of having opinions, he did everything in his power to squelch everyone's opinion that differed from his own. If there were swearing, personal attacks, or things were out of control in those threads, I could see an argument for shutting them down, but neither had anything so egregious. While I certainly wouldn't have handled things the way Sultan chose to, I also thought it was ridiculous to close the second thread, especially as it was one that he started.
And as for the fawning sycophants...I honestly can't believe some of the stuff that was written in there. One person saying that Sultan must be a Badger fan, another saying Sultan's language was inappropriate because it was Mother's Day. Really? Well, no one better use any swear words today, because it's Star Wars Day today in honor of George Lucas' birthday, and we all know the Star Wars movies didn't have swearing in them. No one there seems willing to admit that Dodds was wrong. I just don't get it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 14, 2012, 07:00:11 AM
I think it was OTT, but I understand the frustration. Dodds made an argument, was clearly outdebated in the thread, then closed it with an article that he though settled everything. Then he himself started a new thread on essentially the same topic, was outdebated in the thread using evidence from the article that he himself had posted, and closed it. I can't fathom the reason for closing either. Was he embarrassed, upset that people didn't agree with him, or did he just want the dissenting opinions to disappear down the board?
I found it odd that his only obsession seemed to be that people take his side. For someone who spouts off on the importance of having opinions, he did everything in his power to squelch everyone's opinion that differed from his own. If there were swearing, personal attacks, or things were out of control in those threads, I could see an argument for shutting them down, but neither had anything so egregious. While I certainly wouldn't have handled things the way Sultan chose to, I also thought it was ridiculous to close the second thread, especially as it was one that he started.
And as for the fawning sycophants...I honestly can't believe some of the stuff that was written in there. One person saying that Sultan must be a Badger fan, another saying Sultan's language was inappropriate because it was Mother's Day. Really? Well, no one better use any swear words today, because it's Star Wars Day today in honor of George Lucas' birthday, and we all know the Star Wars movies didn't have swearing in them. No one there seems willing to admit that Dodds was wrong. I just don't get it.
Star Wars day was May the 4th.
Come on Brew!
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 14, 2012, 08:02:15 AM
Star Wars day was May the 4th.
Come on Brew!
Both days are Star Wars Day ;)
http://www.holidaysforeveryday.com/calmay12.shtml
Which is only fair, because
every day should be Star Wars Day.
There is no denying Dodds is ..
Again, that doesn't make it any less ridiculous to start a thread on a forum he controls calling him names of that nature.
edit: come on, now.
I'm getting the impression Dodds isn't appreciative of me trying to put forth (what I feel is) a rational, reasoned argument as to the poor moderation there. And as soon as I make a suggestion, he thinks I want to be a moderator. Yeah...because working side-by-side on a site with someone as egocentric as him is just how I like to spend my free time.
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That's a shame. I thought your last long post was spot on and you were the most level-headed of the three main people in that thread.
I managed to catch that thread right before he deleted it apparently. That was my first time over there, don't see why it's worth paying for.
Quote from: PTM on May 14, 2012, 12:25:56 PM
Can we get a transcript of the post?
The thread is still over there, it's now in the "Sports History Forum". Here's the post that got me banned:
Quote from: brewcity77John, from the last day of the first thread and into the creation of the second thread, Nukem2, Murf, nickthedribbler, pbiflyer, BuzzWilliams4Prez, Xpert, and more all posted in the two threads. If the topic was dead, why was there so much interest? And how is talking about a new Marquette arena not talking about Marquette basketball? Saying there was no interest other than you, Sultan, and myself is at best wholly inaccurate. If you want to close it, fine. But to say there was no other interest flies in the face of the facts.
You ask why I take issue if I agree with you. It's basic free speech. The classic Voltaire quote comes to mind: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". Just because I agree with one side or the other doesn't mean I don't want to hear what the opposite side has to say.
Then you again question my use of bully, but follow it with "I don't think you shouldn't post here anymore". So because I express my opinion, you want me off your site? And you don't understand how I could call you a bully?
As far as why I care about your opinion, it's the same reason I care about Sultan's opinion, or Murf's, or ddsam's, or Young's, or Xpert's, or zerg's, or anyone on the site. Because I find that all of these people can put forward valid and valuable arguments. By the same token, I've heard some of them spout some absolute nonsense. But just because I find some of their assertions to be nonsense (and undoubtedly they the same of mine) doesn't make the discussion not worth having.
I really don't think my argument is nearly as convoluted as you seem to think it is. I think people should be allowed to express their opinions. I think this site has merits and also think it has flaws. And I think that when you get amped up, you would rather shut down a discussion than let it continue. I made a few suggestions as to how I have seen sites better moderated in the past, but I definitely wouldn't want to be part of the moderation here. While I think we have had some good discussions, I think when things get heated, you and I can be a bit like oil and water, and don't think that would make for good moderation for either of us, but more so for the rest of the members of the site.
Also, the "hobby" argument is getting a bit tired. Last I checked, a hobby is something one does for pleasure, not profit. If you are going to profit off this site, you owe it to the paying members to make this as worthwhile an experience for them as possible. And if it truly is only a hobby, where's the harm in letting some of your more dedicated users share the burden of moderating? There's a reason some have left the site completely and others only frequent the Insider's Club.
Finally, while I want what's best for Milwaukee, I don't agree that this arena should be built to spur the economy. I want it built because I want Marquette's basketball team to play in the best facility possible. That's my only motivation for seeing this thing get done.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 14, 2012, 12:08:28 PM
I'm getting the impression Dodds isn't appreciative of me trying to put forth (what I feel is) a rational, reasoned argument as to the poor moderation there. And as soon as I make a suggestion, he thinks I want to be a moderator. Yeah...because working side-by-side on a site with someone as egocentric as him is just how I like to spend my free time.
I have no idea whose argument was superior in the original dust up between Dodds and Sultan (didn't read the thread) but:
1. It wouldn't surprise me if Dodds "case closed" a debate he was losing by declaring himself the winner....he does that sort of thing frequently.
2. That said, I can't believe that you or Sultan are surprised or disappointed about being banned. Isn't that what happens when you call the moderator a kitten, a bad moderator, irrational, etc.? Isn't it what you're trying to make happen?
No, not at all. On the sites I've moderated, I actually listen when people complain about how moderating is handled. And I've definitely learned the best way to handle someone calling for free speech and accusing me of bully tactics is most certainly NOT to ban them. It invites anarchy.
Found it interesting that he's now bumping numerous threads to push the criticism down the page. My lord, he is a piece of work.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 14, 2012, 12:46:50 PM
No, not at all. On the sites I've moderated, I actually listen when people complain about how moderating is handled. And I've definitely learned the best way to handle someone calling for free speech and accusing me of bully tactics is most certainly NOT to ban them. It invites anarchy.
Found it interesting that he's now bumping numerous threads to push the criticism down the page. My lord, he is a piece of work.
Maybe I don't understand "anarchy". I'd say you can make the argument that Dodds is way too strict,a totalitarion. On the other side of the spectrum, total free speech, insult anyone and everyone (including the mods) in the name of free speech = anarchy.
Moderators have different things that set them off. Unless I am mistaken, this board just had a number of posters given timeouts for veering off into the political realm. IMO, Dodds is in the wrong here. But it is his board and he gets to set the boundaries as he sees fit. The same thing applies here, as was dramatically demonstrated 10 months ago. Clearly, the rules here are a little different. But moderators spend a lot of time to make a board work. They, too, can have hot button topics and cranky weeks. The moral of this story? Moderators make the rules. There are two options. (1). Play by the rules the mods set up, regardless of what you may think of them. (2) Go elsewhere.
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2012, 01:17:43 PMThere are two options. (1). Play by the rules the mods set up, regardless of what you may think of them. (2) Go elsewhere.
Well, that's part of my issue. Play by what rules? I was never told the rules, just banned. No warning, no PM saying "I've had enough, let this go or else", and don't know of any rules list that exists on his site that explains what I violated.
Apparently, questioning Prince John is a rules violation, though it doesn't seem to be posted anywhere. I just find it incredibly ironic what I wrote to get me shipped off. Questioning free speech, bully tactics, and saying that despite what I think of anyone's opinion, it's still worth having the discussion.
Brew. I am sincerely sorry that you got banned. I know that you were essentially defending me and I feel bad because of that.
I do take solace in the fact that I was obviously right in describing him in that manner though.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 14, 2012, 02:04:06 PM
Brew. I am sincerely sorry that you got banned. I know that you were essentially defending me and I feel bad because of that.
I do take solace in the fact that I was obviously right in describing him in that manner though.
What's the attraction to the other site? How is it different than this one? I've only heard people bash it. Isn't it a site you have to pay to join? If so, why bother.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 14, 2012, 02:04:06 PM
Brew. I am sincerely sorry that you got banned. I know that you were essentially defending me and I feel bad because of that.
I do take solace in the fact that I was obviously right in describing him in that manner though.
I find it wildly ironic that I broke out the Voltaire quote "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" and was subsequently dealt Internet death. Don't sweat over my banning. What's the point of being a member of a discussion forum if the moderator doesn't allow discussion?
Brew - try signing up under the name "Hoopaloop."
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 14, 2012, 02:11:49 PM
Brew - try signing up under the name "Hoopaloop."
Too funny! ;D
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 14, 2012, 02:09:54 PM
I find it wildly ironic that I broke out the Voltaire quote "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" and was subsequently dealt Internet death. Don't sweat over my banning. What's the point of being a member of a discussion forum if the moderator doesn't allow discussion?
Wanna write for a blog?
/ reads brew's signature line
Aw, hamburgers.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 14, 2012, 02:04:06 PM
Brew. I am sincerely sorry that you got banned. I know that you were essentially defending me and I feel bad because of that.
I do take solace in the fact that I was obviously right in describing him in that manner though.
Yeah, too bad for Brew...yet I suspect you were pretty much to the point where you were fine being banned over there with starting a thread calling Dodds a thin skinned kitten!! Thankfully you aren't aghast at being banned there, as Chicos/Hoop has been here that others haven't been banned (like me) yet, I never ask the mods here to ban me, beg them to ban me, crap talk them as Chicos did in his final days here. How could you not expect to be banned, right?
Quote from: Ners on May 14, 2012, 03:35:38 PM
Yeah, too bad for Brew...yet I suspect you were pretty much to the point where you were fine being banned over there with starting a thread calling Dodds a thin skinned kitten!! Thankfully you aren't aghast at being banned there, as Chicos/Hoop has been here that others haven't been banned (like me) yet, I never ask the mods here to ban me, beg them to ban me, crap talk them as Chicos did in his final days here. How could you not expect to be banned, right?
That thread was the "Costanza trying to get fired" of threads. Fantastic.
http://www.youtube.com/v/yngq9NmOnFw&fs=1&source=uds
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 14, 2012, 12:38:05 PM
Quote from: brewcity77
John, from the last day of the first thread and into the creation of the second thread, Nukem2, Murf, nickthedribbler, pbiflyer, BuzzWilliams4Prez, Xpert, and more all posted in the two threads. If the topic was dead, why was there so much interest? And how is talking about a new Marquette arena not talking about Marquette basketball? Saying there was no interest other than you, Sultan, and myself is at best wholly inaccurate. If you want to close it, fine. But to say there was no other interest flies in the face of the facts.
You ask why I take issue if I agree with you. It's basic free speech. The classic Voltaire quote comes to mind: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". Just because I agree with one side or the other doesn't mean I don't want to hear what the opposite side has to say.
Then you again question my use of bully, but follow it with "I don't think you shouldn't post here anymore". So because I express my opinion, you want me off your site? And you don't understand how I could call you a bully?
As far as why I care about your opinion, it's the same reason I care about Sultan's opinion, or Murf's, or ddsam's, or Young's, or Xpert's, or zerg's, or anyone on the site. Because I find that all of these people can put forward valid and valuable arguments. By the same token, I've heard some of them spout some absolute nonsense. But just because I find some of their assertions to be nonsense (and undoubtedly they the same of mine) doesn't make the discussion not worth having.
I really don't think my argument is nearly as convoluted as you seem to think it is. I think people should be allowed to express their opinions. I think this site has merits and also think it has flaws. And I think that when you get amped up, you would rather shut down a discussion than let it continue. I made a few suggestions as to how I have seen sites better moderated in the past, but I definitely wouldn't want to be part of the moderation here. While I think we have had some good discussions, I think when things get heated, you and I can be a bit like oil and water, and don't think that would make for good moderation for either of us, but more so for the rest of the members of the site.
Also, the "hobby" argument is getting a bit tired. Last I checked, a hobby is something one does for pleasure, not profit. If you are going to profit off this site, you owe it to the paying members to make this as worthwhile an experience for them as possible. And if it truly is only a hobby, where's the harm in letting some of your more dedicated users share the burden of moderating? There's a reason some have left the site completely and others only frequent the Insider's Club.
Finally, while I want what's best for Milwaukee, I don't agree that this arena should be built to spur the economy. I want it built because I want Marquette's basketball team to play in the best facility possible. That's my only motivation for seeing this thing get done.
When I finally left that site, that was the point I made to dodds. The only benefit of the premium site was that murff did not post on it. Other than that, it was a waste of money. No original content, no articles from the site itself, no interviews with recruits ... Without IWB or Mark Miller, it really had negative value. Since I left, two years ago, I have not been back. I hit the site twice, by mistake, when clicking a link. I can say that I have not missed it at all. I suspect jd is still p!ssing in his cheerios about how poorly brett favre was treated.
I know you were banned. I am sure you, just as I before you, will not miss it.
I stopped paying after the Brad Forrester flap with Newbill. I was pretty upset as to why the site would suppress the video reports but allow personal attacks on a guy who was banned. I thought that his main tenet was one who posts by their given name can present an argument. That was not true and and not only that attacks were allowed discrediting a person who could not post to defend themselves. Not willing to to support that.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 14, 2012, 01:00:11 PM
Maybe I don't understand "anarchy". I'd say you can make the argument that Dodds is way too strict,a totalitarion. On the other side of the spectrum, total free speech, insult anyone and everyone (including the mods) in the name of free speech = anarchy.
You go away for a weekend and all hell breaks loose. I did get a chance to read the thread before Dodds parked it in the "Premium" area. Sultan was actually spot on in terms of presenting some independent third party empiricism. Dodds was little more than a rant until he started the second thread and posted analysis that discredited his own position (he must not have read far enough into the study.)
Brew was quite balanced in what he posted, challenging Dodds for being close-minded, petulant, etc...In the end he got nuked by the King Geek who evidently banned Brew. Dodds is such a woman. How dare he ask anyone to "sack up." He's the one who really needs to grow a pair. I guess selling insurance all day bleeds off your testosterone.
Ok, we've officially jumped the shark, people, probably 8 pages ago.
And yes, I realize the galactic irony of locking the topic about .. censorship. Move along.
Just because I can, and it seems fitting, I'm going to end this by calling mu_hilltopper a kitten!
Meow